FASTEST Way To Color Grade Sony S-Log3 | Color Space Transform | Davinci Resolve 18 Tutorial
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- In this video we are looking at how to color grade Sony's SLOG3, specifically in the newer lineup like the a7s3, a74 and fx3 because the color in these fairly new release is different from the older cameras.
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Honestly, this is the best colour grading tutorial. I FINALY UNDERSTOOD HOW TO GRADE IN DAVINC!!!
You are a great teacher. I have watched a ton of these color correction vids and yours is the most clear. You explain the why behind each setting. Thank you!
You are so welcome!
If only I'd found this sooner! I'm a novice videographer who knows very little about color grading. I've spent over a year messing around with the color wheels, curves, etc, without getting results close to this. Thank you so much!! Subscribed!
actually i was watching and at the same time practicing
and my result was incredible.
THANK YOU SO MUCH🙏
Glad to hear!
the explanation of the upstream workflow to the CST is so good, i am glad i learned this today from your video
this is the most helpful video for shooting SLOG3 and editing in post production. So glad I found your channel. Thank you so much!
OMG so stoked i found this page. Thanks for the super clear and straight to the point explanation.
yes, many videos that said just shoot in S-Cinetone to save yourself a color grading mess for beginner. But thanks to your video it doesn't seems S-Log3 color grading is too complicated for beginner who just want to color grade the non commercial video footage. Those color grading items are largely similar to those RAW development adjustment in Lightroom and not a rocket science. Good job.
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OMG, thanks for this tutorial. With CST the look ist so much better than those LUTs or "do it yourself" gradings. Just put it in my playlist.
I am so glad I found your channel. I just started shooting video on my A7IV and spent hours trying figure out SLOG3, exposure and editing in Davinci…. You gave me the more usable, practical, and applicable information in 5 minutes than the 10+ hours of watching overly complicated , conflicting information that others post.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for this I have a long way to go but I'm learning
Hey, I love your content mate, always so inspiring!
I just wanted to say that there is another advantage vs using a lut. The CST keeps the image in a float state, so if anything gets cliped during the conversion you can recover the details not only before, but also after the CST. That is not the case with a LUT
yes, unless tone mapping is set to on, clipping may happen with adjustment post cst/
dude you are so detailed. thank u so much for explaining everything because most of the color grading tutorials don't explain in depth! thanks!!!!
Appreciate it 🙌🏻
I really love your style of teaching please keep making videos they are very helpful
Thanks! Will do 🤙🏼
Best quick tutorial on color grading with Davinci! THANK YOU VERY MUCH! You got yourself a sub man 👌🙌🏼
Thanks! Glad it helped 🙌🏻
direct to the point. this tutorial is easy to follow. thank you
Thank you! This changes my color workflow.
I just color graded using, this video. The results are amazing. You just got a new subscriber. Thank you
This definitely will save me time color correcting. Thanks man
Technically it’s colour management, but yes, thanks for watching!
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It really help me to understand the color space and how it works! Thanks man!
Amazing tutorial, thanks Danny Gan!
I really preciated this, priceless for begginers!
Dude you went up and showed exactly what I was looking for. Looking forward to learning more from you. Liked and subbed. Greetings from Malaysia too!
Thank you for teaching and giving the log footages
Hi Danny, thanks for video!
I was just using this video to train myself on davinci resolve. I do computer graphics and don't even have a camera.
But the color space and gamma is really important to understand.
Thanks again!
I don't know why but when I apply input color space my shots become over saturated and red. It is my first time shooting and editing in log 😢 I think I am doing it correctly. I even tried different color space and gamma to see if I was mistaken, any advice?
I wish that I would have seen this video a long time ago! Great work 😬
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Thanks for sharing your opinion about color grading workflow, it opens my vision of way to work
Glad to help!
try worked with managed color. Your footage starts out great. The look as exposed needs very little work. The color space you used to shoot doesn't come through in the metadata, so I guessed it was S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3. So putting I put that in as the clip's input color space. The project is DaVinci YRGB Color Managed custom, with input color space set to Rec. 709 Gamma 2.4, timeline color space is DaVinci WG/intermediate and luminance at SDR 100 nits. The output colorspace is the same Rec. 709 gamma 2.4 but will be tagged 709-A. Starting out the footage looks great.
Yeah, Sony's metadata doesn't come through in Davinci, got to input it manually or have a powergrade ready to drag and drop 🙂 appreciate the compliments!
@@DannyGan It's a big problem for me: shooters who don't send camera (or sound) notes, letting me know what they did. I often have to wrestle with them just to find out what cameras they used. And then never tell me what talent is on which audio track.
hey danny that was very helpful, as i just started with davinci. see you around buddy.
Very helpful video👌👍
An amazing tutorial, thank you so much for that ❤
Thank you for the good description 👊🤝
Nice & simple
Super clear and tutorial. Thank you!
Great info good sir! I love how you used the Zoom H5 as your mic, that's awesome!!
Nicely done Sir.
Thank you. Great instructional video
This is gold
Amazing tutorial Danny! Thanks for sharing~
Thanks love 🙂
I suggest you to do adjustments after the CST node, and also to turn off tonemapping to avoid clipping footage, adjusting before the CST is no problem if youre working with a single camera with a determined gamma and colorspace, however if you start mixing cameras, even on the same scene, the adjustments wouldnt translate accurately between cameras because Resolve wouldnt know the baseline adjustments for each gamma and colorspace. Keep up the good work!
That's why you work in DWG or Aces
Yes, this is a problem. But you can add the same camera clip to a group. Then translate the color space to a higher space(for example davinci wide gamut) at group pre-clip by different groups. You can do some adjust at clip. Last translate the color space from higher space to the out space at group post-clip or timeline. Learned from Darren Mostyn.
I love your tutorial, thank you! Instant follow :) There a a couple of things I still don't understand.
First of all I have an A7C II, shoot in 10 bit S-Log3 and when I apply your CST recipe, the footage doesn't exactly look like the one I see when I review it directly on the camera (with gamma display assist of course). It's darker. Unless I turn the "adaptation" slider to something like 1, then it gets closer. I thought it would be like exact science between the two, but maybe the gamma display assist isn't so accurate?
Second question might be silly: I shoot in SLOG3 with this settings:
Exposure/Colour > Colour/Tone > Picture Profile and then set the Gamma to S-Log3 and Color to S-Gamut3.Cine.
But on another menu, you can find this:
Shooting > Image Quality > Log Shooting Setting ; then, select On (Flexible ISO) and Color Gamut set to S-Gamut3.Cine.
What's the difference?
Thank you for your help!
Try exposing like this ruclips.net/video/jbsyuqsrGwc/видео.htmlsi=GGlH7vPc8zZrOaE-
Thank you danny its a big help
Thank you sm❤
just watched your clip- instant follow. i am pretty impressed with how comprehensible this channel is. care to produce a video about skin tones specifically (maybe even with a side jab on sony cams cuz i feel they lack a bit of color rendition compared to cams like an alexa or a blackmagic) ?
I find Sony skintones quite good except for a slight tint of magenta, you can counter that by sliding in some green. But feel free to send me any footage you want me to have a go at 🫡
Thanks a lot for Practice footage
Thank yooooouuuuuu omg
Thanks bro! Very useful
Great video Danny, thanks! Could you please share your color management settings for your RUclips workflow? Color Science, Timeline Color Space and Output Color Space
Its pretty much like in this video, except I think I have timeline color space set to DWG as default
Best ❤
beautiful!
Thank you for this tutorial, Danny! Are you a Malaysian too?
Yes, I am!
Hi, thanks fpr this video. Can I have the complete settings of the picture profile for sony A6400? Thank you.
What are your color project settings for your timeline? Also Slog, or Rec709?
Timeline Color Space: DaVinci Wide Gamut
Output Color Space: Rec.709-A
Cool guy, easy tutorial, ty
BEST. Good vid.
Hello! In the CST, I saw other tutorials saying you should set output gamma to rec709. Are there any pros and cons to rec709 vs gamma 2.4?
I am also interested in the answer to this question
Hi Danny. Thanks for this video very, very instructive. I have one request though. I recently got a Sony Burano and I need to get around a workflow on how to color grade the XOCN LT. Can you make video like the one you did above, but this time for XOCN LT workflow? Thanks in advance.
I haven’t touched any XOCN footage yet, if you don’t mind sharing some with me, I would love to make a video. visionarycolour@gmail.com
Why not just use color managed workflow and set the input color space to s-log3? Isn't that the same thing but without having to explicitly create a cst node?
To avoid doing things “under the hood”, you can specify what goes in log color space and what goes to rec709 color space specifically.
thanks footage bro
What do you mean by crushing the shadows around 7:10?
This is really helpful , could you please mention your project settings on color space your working on the timeline 🫶
Hi, This video is so helpful. Thank you for making it. I wanted to know if you knew how to do this in premiere pro?
This such fantastic demonstration of the Sony camera in the SLOG3 Picture Profile, Danny. The dynamic range is unreal. I am just curious, but why are you converting the SLOG3 to REC.709 on the timeline versus using a Video Monitor LUT?
For example, I shoot in HLG3 and need to upload the video in HDR onto RUclips, therefore the color space needs to stay at Rec.2020. I use a LUT to see my changes better on my SDR monitor.
I am struggling to get the colors right in my recent videos. Here are my settings:
Input Color Space: Rec.2020 ; Rec.2100 HLG
Timeline Color Space: Rec.2020 ; ST2084 1000 nit
Output Color Space: Rec.2020 ; ST2084 10000 nit
I would really appreciate the help. I think this video demonstrates the colors so well!
First of all, appreciate the compliments 🙏🏻 To be totally honest with you, I have no clue about the HDR workflow. But one thing I know is that you shouldn't be grading for HDR if your monitor doesn't have the nits to support it. For the question of why slog3 to rec709, instead of video minitor lut, I think that's 2 totally different tools meant for different uses. Just from what I understand, the cst conversion if the switch the actual colour space of the video clip, nothing to do with the monitor itself. The monitor should be calibrated and left alone. Outputting in HDR is not something 'normal' so there's a bit more work you have to put in to have the proper equipment and all
@@DannyGan OH I thought outputting in HDR is pretty normal now.
@@VeeTravels HDR for youtube is not worth it for most people. Very few people has proper HDR displays that has local dimming to view true HDR content(most HDR monitors are gimmick) For the majority of non HDR viewers, the youtube HDR to SDR conversion is not great, and your video will look worse than a high quality SDR video.
Dude this is great content, thank you for sharing! One question (I'm only at 4:26 so ignore if you answer later): Why choose Rec.709? Are there other output display color spaces? Just curious! Thank you, subscribed, this is super helpful.
Rec.709 is kind of the most widely used display color space for any screen. You can choose to deliver in other color spaces, like sRGB (web), DCI-P3 (cinema) but then the consumer must view in that particular color space also. Since most devices display in Rec.709, hence it's the go-to delivery format. Hope this helps! Thanks for subscribing 🫡
@@DannyGan My dude! Really appreciate the response. Thanks for sharing your knowledge - already knocking out some really cool clips with the A7IV I just picked up thanks to your tutorials. Content like this really helps other creatives just get rolling, so thank you truly!
Hi, I get that using “input lut” make you lose information (in project settings / colour management)
But why if you’re using “output LUT” it should be the same as your example ? If not there is something I still didn’t understand.
Your example of using colour correction before / after “colour space transform” seems biaised to me because you’re applying the same correction to different colour space so obviously you have differences.
What do you think ? I’m new to this so might be wrong but I’d like to understand fully.
Thanks for your work ❤
Hi Nicolas, I'm don't think I understood your first question.
But as to the example before/after CST, yes it's meant to show a difference because I want to show that you have more advantage working in the log color space rather than in rec.709.
Which node should the CST be in? Should it be the first node, or the node after primaries/look? If the latter, should you put it in 3, then further adjust the primaries and secondaries?
It's all up to preference, test out which works best for you. I like to work upstream the cst for reasons mentioned in the video. but there are people who will fight me on that. I'm too lazy to take on the fights, so do whatever works for you best. People will only see the outcome, nobody can tell if your cst is upstream or downstream. Cheers!
And to your question about workflow, yes you should apply cst first then adjust other nodes
can you please share the s-log setting
Can i edit,cut slog footage in folmora?and export high quality file for color grading.I want to know this process?
Hello
How do I find out what Input Color Space I have to take for my camera?
Sony A74
Thanks for your help.
You can set your camera to S-Log3
Man you are just amazing. I was scratching my head what is output gamma all these months.
So my question is if i want to apply for LUT, do i need to follow same process
Yup, the LUT will sit where the CST is in the video
Hello,im using the canon m50 m2,can you make a video haow to color grade the neutral picture profile(totally minus setting, saturation etc)
For applying the standard LUT presets, which node you are prefer? Before CST or After CST?
Some LUTs work better in a Rec709 colour space (after) but I would recommend you to test it out yourself because I really can't say
Very good tutorial!!! thanks, man I just discovered your channel, and I'm hooked. Question, for white balance, do you recommend using the temperature tool or balancing the highlight and shadows using the waveform in RGB?? What's the best way to white balance in DR18 :)
Thanks man! A principle I follow is use the most convenient tool for the job. I usually just use the temperature tool. But it is the same as adjusting the Gain wheel, you can try that out. If the Gain wheel gets you to your destination quicker, then that's better. You can also try HDR temp slider, rgb curves, custom DCTL but what I find best for me is still the simple temperature and tint tool.
@@DannyGan Thanks man!!!
what is ITU709 MATRIX in sony and a sinification ?
Which Input should I use in CST when I shoot with PP off, I can't find anything for that and would be happy for some help :)
if your PP is off, you don't need to colour manage assuming it is in Rec.709
Thanks! I have a question about matching Slog3 footage from Sony a6400 and a RGB footage from Canon 600D, if you could give your opinion.
So, for the Slog3, I am adding a Color Space Transform node at the end of the graph and do my grading, which looks good. I am setting inputs to Slog3, output to Rec.709 with Gamma 2.4., as a learned in several videos. Cool, got that out of the way.
Now, the Canon 600D footage is not a log format, and has the colours baked in, but I need to match it to Sony. I have learned that I can use CST node at the beginning of the graph, now with inputs of RGB and outputs of Slog3 (So, I want to output that RGB footage to look like the Slog3 one), which does indeed make it look very much like LOG.
Now, if my logic is right, I could basically add one more node to the end of the 600D graph which would now have the inputs of Slog3 and output of Rec.709, same as for Sony, and I could do my grading in between. Does this make sense? Would this be a good starting point?
So the quick answer is no, its not the same.
The colour space transform is meant for converting certain colour spaces only, if you put it into slog3 at the start, and convert back at the edn, it only means that you're WORKING in slog3 color space. It does not magically switch your footage to slog3.
Your canon 600D footage is presumably already in rec709, hence you just need to match from there onwards. You don't have to do the cst part.
Hope this was clear!
@@DannyGan Great, thanks for the answer!
thank u so much
No problem!
Don't the project settings (color management) also need to be setup a certain way before this can work ?
Not really, it works like this by default. But you can further tweak the timeline color space of you choose to.
Excelente!!!!!
Hey thanks for the Video! im pretty new, and im trying to save a few good nodetrees as Powergrades with custom Titles, all named etc for a good structure and fast workflow. Do you als work with custom Powergrades?
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do you have like a private chat or something to ask questions on these type of things? i have trouble editing videos. sorta like a beginner.
You can ask in this fb group m.facebook.com/groups/245184039015257/?ref=sharem.facebook.com/groups/245184039015257/?ref%3Dshare&exp=93fa&mibextid=S66gvF
does this apply to 8bit camera like sony zve10?
can also share your slog3 camera settings? like detail, saturation, depth and etc. I'm still learning and maybe your setup is what I'm looking for? thanks a lot
Hey mate !
Which timeline color space do you use, please ?
Davinci WG/Intermediate
Thanks !!@@DannyGan
What settings do you use for color management in project settings? Wish the video started there
yes, that was one of the addition I made in my more recent videos. But it's still the same.
Timeline: Davinci Wide Gamut
Output: Rec.709-A (Mac) / Rec.709 Gamma 2.4 (Windows)
@@DannyGan wow thanks for the quick reply - subbed!
How do you get your scopes to not appear as full screen please?
Exit full screen window in DaVinci then restart the software
how to you export my colorer washes away from Mac and I have tried rec709 A but not working
You can find help here
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What's your color management settings in project settings? :)
For this video, I think it left it as it is. But if you're on a Mac, switch your Timeline Colorspace to Rec709-A
Beginner here, i’m trying to import my 10bit 422 videos into davinci but i’am only able to import the audio file of it and not the video, can someone please help me out 😢
The free version of DaVinci can’t read 10bit files
@@DannyGan thank you for the reply! Upon doing more digging i found a way by using shutter encoder and transcode to DNxHR,
Just found your channel and this video in particular. You earned yourself a new follower. I tried to download your footage from the link associated with it, but it's not letting me. Says I don't have permission to do so.
It's working fine on my end, not quite sure what's the problem 🤔
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nY9YwiuolbsPSStylRShHacjdkpqvAiE?usp=share_link
@@DannyGan Yeah, it was a browser issue on my end which was causing the problem. So I was able to download both the Sony A7III and A7SIII with no problems. But when I started downloading the Sony FX3 folder, I had to cancel the download due to how huge the file is. Not enough storage space for me to get that one. So, I'm guessing the footage for this particular video (holding the camera clip that is) is buried in this zipfile? I'm guessing the same for the Wong Kar clip as well? If yes, any chance you can put those two clips in a new folder for download? Anyway, I at least got the Shampoo clip to work with.
can you change the colour space in camera? my video file properties keep telling me the colour space in REC709 even though I'm shooting in slog3...
Sony Cameras doesn't have the metadata to tell Resolve that it's S-Log3. You'll have to follow the steps in this tutorial.
How to duplicate those three boxes and then rename?
New serial node (ALT/OPT + S)
Label node (SHIFT + CMD/CTRL + L)
The node label shortcut is custom for myself, you can set it in the Keyboard Shortcuts menu on the top left.
@@DannyGan thanks a ton
Hi, what picture profile does Sony a6000 use? Mind sharing the cst for this particular camera?
You'd have to check your settings, but if I were to bet, it would be slog2/s.gamut3
@@DannyGan my camera settings? Where to check that? Slog2/s.gamut3, I'll try that on. Appreciate your reply!
What is export for sony 6400 😢
hey this might be a really dumb question but how did you use the qualifier to scan the vectorscope? I can't seem to figure it out! thank you
No dumb questions here mate~
Make sure you select 'Qualifier' tool on the bottom left of the viewer. Then go to the 3 dots on the top right of your scopes and turn on 'Display Qualifier Focus'
Hi why when I uploaded my graded footage to iphone it has different colours?
you might want to calibrate your monitor, or maybe your iphone has 'true tone' turned on
what did you usedfor time line ? rec 709 or davinci wide gamat
I have it set to davinci wide gamut by default