I'm not sure how this helps making a buying decision. It gets compared against OLED in an entire different price leave, and a gaming monitor, which is mostly used with PCs rather than consoles. I would have liked to see it compared against other TVs from competing brands to see if this one is indeed faster.
I think they're more likely to adopt Vesa/AMD FreeSync than G-Sync Linus as essentially all consoles run AMD hardware and it can then also be implemented in other non-computer gear also. Especially given that G-Sync only works over DisplayPort while FreeSync works on HDMI
Here I am using an SK8000PUA as a 65" 4k monitor and its been an absolute champ running off of a XFX 5700XT. It is true that the black levels are not the greatest...but in the action of a game you're not paying attention to black levels.
I have 50hz Sony FD Trinitron 28" widescreen flat CRT PAL TV from 2005. It does have really good response time, colors, contrast and blacks are really back. Mostly I use it to play PS3 (connected with RGB Scart) and watch anime. Edit: NTSC CRT's is 60Hz
Been using PC on TV for 10 years or so. Currently using a 55" Samsung. For comfort I use wireless keyboard (honestly not much difference from wired) on my lap, wireless trackball (M570) and a wireless 360 controller and it works for me.
G-sync? Perhaps better to stick with the free open standard for Adaptive Sync instead. Then we might see it utilized on consoles to. And Nvidia might actually have to start suporting standrds to :P
The problem with FreeSync is GPU market share. There are nearly 4x as many discrete GPUs out there with G-Sync support as FreeSync, so if you adopt FreeSync, you've ignored the significant majority of the gaming market. Of course, this could change if consoles or nVidia GPUs added support for FreeSync.
Please Linus do not encourage manufacturers to implement G-sync on their montitors/TV but Freesync. We hope that adaptive frame rate synchronization will be a standard technology soon and if we encourage the Nvidia based technology, we will have to pay for it.
Sam Harrington Freesync is open source, so once Nvidia are no longer able to milk people's money via G-Sync, they'll end up supporting Freesync on their cards too.
haha the whole premise is fucked, heavy gamers almost always have a 24" 144hz monitor or better, and no reputable gamer is switching out a few of those for any tv.
Some of us don't care about playing crappy mainstream twitch shooters and 20-30ms input lag is indiscernible when playing other DECENT games. A sony bravia is amazing for gaming and affordable. No lag (and I'm very sensitive to it actually), amazing picture quality too. I don't care about 4k. 1080p is good enough. Fuck having a 24" monitor LOL dm sanchi - you are wrong. Most heavy gamers do not have a 144hz monitor. A very small minority do. I'm a heavy gamer and my Sony is perfect for that and shits all over many monitors (and I've had many good ones). You guys really are just being very picky. I love quality, but I'm not gaming on a 24" tiny screen lol. I have a monitor I use as a 2nd screen, has great picture quality, 2ms response time and I wouldn't ever game on it again after going to a big screen. If you're anal and care so much about pixel density etc, good for you, but don't label all gamers as idiots just because they don't sit in front of a tiny screen
This tv seems awesome, and there is nothing worse than input lag when gaming. I still thought it was weird though when 4k tv's started coming out and a lot of people where like man it's so crazy it looks so amazing. And they do they look great but my friends were all thinking of buying them and I started telling them how they were insanely overpriced especially because it's not like 4k is some new technology and convinced them to wait till they go down which they have tremendously. They're only lime 500 bucks for a 50 inch now. Really the resolution is 3840x2160 so there's 3840 pixels in a horizontal line and 2160 pixels in a vertical line so the size of your tv affects how big the pixels actually are. My friend used to have a 32 inch 1080p tv and I have a 22 inch 1080p tv (for my pc mostly) one day we were set up playing a game with both our tvs so we didn't have to split screen and he kept looking at my tv and saying man your tv looks better than mine. really it was just because the pixels were smaller on my tv and we were close enough to see the difference. He had a sharp aquos or what ever they were called and mine was an RCA I bought for 150 dollars from the drug store. This was 5 or 6 years ago but a couple years later all of a sudden there's talk of these ultra hd tv's and it's like ok and then 4k but I started thinking more about it and really since the time 720p came out they pretty much had the technology to make 4k tvs. Theres a huge difference between the pixel size of a 20 inch, 720p tv and a 60 inch, 720p tv. But the pixels on a 20 inch 720p tv are the same size as the pixels on a 60 inch, 4k so they could have made 4k tvs like 10 or 15 years ago, they probably would have been clunky as shit but it was possible. but that's the way it is and has been for a very long time. they have the technology but if they sold the newest technology right now then what would they sell you tomorrow? same reason companies make products that will break after about 2 years. But they have the technology to make insane tvs like 16k resolution or even better than that and i mean they could do it right now in fact they probably could have done it years ago. think about it your smart phone is probably 1080p probably better and it's only say a 5 inch screen for math purposes so if you used the same size pixels and doubled the screen size that's 4k on a 10 inch screen. Double again that's a 20 inch 8k tv. Double again that's a 40 inch tv at 16k. Totally possible and most phones like i said are better than 1080p so it would be more than that. What's crazy is that you think can fit about 60 pixels from your phone screen into one pixel on a 40 inch 1080p tv because 1080p has something like 2 million pixels and the theoretical 40 inch 16k tv (which would have the same size pixels as my phone) would have 128 million pixels which would mean in the place of one pixel on a 1080p 40 inch tv there would be 64 pixles. All of that really made me think what the hell when I first saw a tv that was 4k which meant it was double the resolution of my tv but was also double the size at 44 inches which means the pixels in both tvs were the same size there was just 4 times more of them. But instead of 4 times the price of my tv which would have been 600 dollars or even twice that at 1200 just because its the new cool thing. but no, they started at like 3000 and that's not even for a good brand. as if it was some crazy thing like we were so lucky there R&D department made this new tv when really they just used the same stuff they had lying around in the factory. they didn't struggle to shrink the technology down it was already shrunk, and it was right in front of our very eyes yet they are selling it almost like it's new technology. They literally had to just take 4 20 inch 1080p tvs and stick them together and boom. you got yourself a 4k tv
Because companies love to make people suffer on purpose..... they do this spitefully. its really fucking annoying. we are almost in 2020 and we have yet to have adaptive sync technology as a standard on ALL monitors and TVs. Them companies wonder why they dont sell enough of their products. Ive been told by several monitor and TV companies and I QUOTE "" There is not enough demand for it "" - END-QUOTE WTF ..!!??
Vizio M65-C1. 65" 4K, supports 4K 30 and 4K 60FPS, 1080p at 120Hz, perfect black uniformity, 10-bit panel with excellent color accuracy, 18ms input lag. 18ms. Full-array backlight, excellent native contrast. Comes with a Qwerty keypad on the back of the remote for easier searches for content. The perfect gaming TV already exists, and I love it.
the new LG TVs like uk6540 have input lag of about 13-14ms on game mode. And it doesn’t have nano cell technology. So I don’t get the point of this nano cell technology and if it’s even worth forking out the extra cash for it.
That would be a dream :-) I seriously doubt that there ever will be a device that combines a TV with a Gaming monitor without marketing deception. Gaming is technically too complicated for a TV.
While we're at it, tell them to use a multiple instead of just straight upscaling when it comes up to low res gaming. I'm bringing 240p-480p to 960p and the picture is absolutely mind blowing for retro gaming. This post from a proud OSSC owner. : )
In my experience with LG TVs (I've owned 3) labeling the HDMI port as PC rather than Games Console will DRAMATICALLY reduce processing and input lag regardless of whichever picture profile used,
Finally a gaming tv! Ive been waiting 11 years to finally play Super Mario 64! I cant wait I told my family Itll be worth waiting rather then playing on a normal tv.
That's great, but you could have just gotten a CRT TV which are cheap or even free. Also, even though most modern TVs still support analog inputs such as composite and s-video, there is still gonna be input lag because the TV has to convert a analog signal to digital. And retro games look utter shit on modern TVs.
This nanocell series from LG is a good full screen cartoon TV. Maybe ok for gaming not sure, but what I can tell you is that this is not a good TV for Netflix or movies. The haloing, white corners and light streamers from base will make you cry! I bought this TV for movies and hate it! No back light filter at all. Keep looking, this LCD LED is not the one to buy. I did and regret it
@@DanyTheGripper thank you for the heads up! It's a little late but atleast now I know the reason for the horrible picture. I dont know why they make so many different models of same TV, sucks for consumer
Plasmas have refresh rates of 600 hz to 840hz. This does NOT equal to frame rates. Different technology vs LCDs, of course the trade off was more power consumption, possibility of burned-in images and diminishing blacks over time. Google it.
@John Akagami when you spend that much on a TV you are not going to tor around and go yeah it is bad, I am sure it is great for you buddy and I am glad, but I see the 866 every day next to the xh80, 85 the Samsung q70, q60 and it is awful playing the sme content, the light bloom is awful and this is on every size, but enjoy it man and do not listen to me as you have it now, I am only trying to warn someone thinking of it
I have a 49 inch LG TV and I tested the input lag using my Wii U. I checked the timing between the screen and Gamepad and yes, noticeable lag on it. Luckily that was fixed when I switched the TV to game mode! I do like the idea of this nano cell TV, hopefully we’ll still see this when 8K comes!
Your numbers on input lag don't match what rtings came up with in their testing (your results are slightly over double their 15.1 ms for 4k @ 60hz in game mode). Just curious as to why that is...??? Edit: 1080p @ 60hz was 15 ms btw Edit 2: www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/sj8500
maybe linus is also gaming so just the gpu already needs 16.67ms to render the frame... and pretty sure rtings uses a better method to measure input lag, not with just a regular camera : p
slopedarmor Rtings DOES indeed use a better method, I just wanted to see if Linus would reply (which, of course, he didn't). I'm not the only one to call them out over this and I haven't seen any replies as of yet.
I think the 2017 vizio p-series is probably one of the best. 12.2 ms of input lag at 1080/120hz. 14-15 otherwise and has as high as 10000:1 contrast with local dimming (almost 10x this tv)
Input lag is much higher using 4K HDR though. I think it's aroud 60 ms or so which is among the slowest compared to the competition. Not that most people would even notice however.
I have been running all my machines with 46" to 55" tvOS for years in surround. I have always loved having 9.5ft of desktop while gaming. I'll be grabbing these as well. I just hope we get better cables to handle bandwidth so we can get higher frames in 4K
With OLED technology, sub pixel brightness changes near the minimum brightness, do change slower than IPS panels, the most important aspect is the hardware driving the panel.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw it. You'd think whoever edited it would've told'em and have them do the scene over again or at least got rid of that horrible zoom...It's almost like they were zooming in on purpose.
@@Vinnay94 Plasma and CRT both perform worse than OLED in terms of long term image retention, leaving retention artifacts sooner than their OLED counterparts.
I use an LG TV from last year (UH661V, 49") for PC gaming. It has no noticeable input lag (or maybe just a tiny bit) when playing high paced games. It probably won't be good enough for pro gamers, but for me it's perfectly fine.
I have a LG 43UJ651V that I use for gaming, it's not quite good enough for FPS games but racing games work fine, sometimes I pick the 4k 60Hz screen over my 3440x1440 100Hz ultrawide
Funny you say that after a sale at Meijer, 10% team discount, plus $20 dollar Santa bucks, and $10 off total basket (ik that's a lot lol) I got it for $493!
Just bought a samsung uhd smart tv 3 weeks ago. Has a game mode which eliminates most lag which is great for consoles. But I was surprised to find it has a unadvertised PC mode which eliminates all lag (it auto detected this mode for the PC input). In PC mode there appears to be no processing at all on the tv's end (other than active contrast being the only adjustable significant setting) pretty much eliminating any lag at all. Wasn't an expensive screen either, $600 canadian.
Samsung had a 20 MS tv... this thing is too slow. My slower Sony TV is like 30-33MS, which is still faster than anything LG has. Why is this thing supposed to be fast at nearly 40? Even 30 is too much. Actually 20 is the bare minimum for enjoying computer games and shooters. Especially if you are used to 1 ms at 144 hz.
Rtings measure lg sj8500 input lag 15ms. Not sure about your monitor do you speak 1ms response time or input lag? Lg oled has 0.1ms response time but input lag 21ms.
linus doesn't really use the best method to measure input delay... also he measures it during gaming, if they are gaming at 60hz that means 16.67ms of lag is because the gpu needs to render the frame first. Probably also a few ms of lag for the cpu and maybe even the mouse. Personally I have a 55" LG b7v oled with 21ms input delay and almost instant response time, as a PC monitor actually : )
i think he generally does a good job in informing, versus enticing in the thumbnails. but then, I don't define something as click bait unless it way over-promises, and way under-delivers.
I have a 47" LG SMart TV running at a consistent 60fps & 1080P with no trouble at all on my NVidia 1050 4GB GPU. OK sure, it has lag which for gaming sucks, but I'm used to it & it's not that bad. I do have a 24" 2nd monitor with a great display which will run at the same specs with no lag at all but it's 24", which is literally 1/4 the screen size. And 47" is AMAZING for doing EVERYTHING! The colour & crispness of the screen are perfectly sharp, clear w/ fantastic pic quality for movies & gaming. I mean it's beautiful doing EVERYTHING. I LOVE it. At 47", I will NEVER go back to anything smaller & cannot understand why anyone wants to use small 24, 27 or even 32" monitors when they can see & do so much more with something like this. Why have the TV / Monitor makers NOT made 42; 47; 52 & 65 gaming monitors by now? It's NOT like they can't do it & they should be cheaper than Smart TV's, especially when you don't need the TV part at all. I watch Netflix on my puter & don't even bother with TV any more. The ONLY thing that bothers me about this Smart TV is the small lag when I press the mouse in games. As I said, it's tolerable so get rid of that & OMG, yeah, perfect. The picture, performance & what you see on the screen is rock solid, sharp with awesome colours including blacks. I also draw 3D CAD & that is also amazing on such a large format. I just can't go back to anything smaller than 47" so what can I do? I NEED a gaming monitor that I can work on as well. At almost 6 years old, it's almost time for a new monitor & puter rig & I do NOT want to buy another Smart TV; I want a gaming monitor that is at least 47" & 120 - 144 Refresh rate with NO LAG. What is there at the moment? So far, nothing. I am waiting for the NVidia gaming monitors to come out, but I know they will be soooo pricy & this one was worth $2,000.00 when I got it new. I can see myself spending that again, but no way can I afford no $4,000.00 for a monitor. So what is this gaming / 3D CAD girl to do?
I still love my 2016 55" Samsung KS8000. rtings.com tested the input lag in game mode to be 20ms. I love playing games on it, and HDR still works in game mode!
But the image retention(burn-in) from an OLED isn't ideal for gaming where a HUD could be in the same place for long periods of time. I had that problem with the plasma tv I had before. OLED is hands down the best choice for movies right now, but there are better options for gaming.
Scott Musselwhite LG's OLED panels do not perform at 100% brightness, so the aging of the film is not accelerated when it's in use. All signs of short term image retention disappear within seconds (similar to IPS) and today's OLEDs execute a pixel orbiting routine during stand by, so you don't have to worry about permanent image retention at all. Burn in used to be so bad for CRT and Plasma, that you can see the patterns even when the TV is off, but for OLED this is absolutely not the case. The OLED panel has a 100k hour lifespan, so you can use it for 10 years without any issues.
I never buy iPhones, because from my experience they had bad battery life, and I used to complain to them about it... and they hated me. Then they released one with good battery life and I was like, hook me up! And they gave me one... If only I was LinusTechTips.
Question... the LG nano 4k... why is the dimensions of the 86" version 75.8" x 38" and the dimensions of the 75" version 66" x 38" ?????? how can BOTH tv's share the SAME height yet differ by about 10 inches on the length????? IS the image distorted on one or the other by comparison??????
My 7 year old LG 42" TV has no input lag and the picture quality is comparable to the Apple Cinema display and I use it for photo editing as well as gaming. It has never been used as a TV... Input lag seems to be only a problem on new tv`s and it is so bad that sound is out of sync compared to the stereo connected (that means 100-250ms or more). To get the sound synchronized you must route the sound to come from the TV...
Linus Team, please make a video comparing the Vizio Quantum X and the TCL 6 Series; breaking down their feature sets and value per dollar (Considering that the Quantum 65" is on sale for $2100 & the 6 Series 65" is on sale for $699)
Check out the TCL55S405. All of the same features on a TN vs an IPS panel, so the only sacrifice is viewing angle. The price is between $400-$450. Input lag of 14.9-15.1ms. 4:4:4 HDR 8-Bit.
I swear RUclips keeps unsubscribing me from my channels... I was unsubbed from this one, when I know I haven't. missing lot of content from my previous subs, dafuq RUclips!!!
Seriously. The 2016 ue43ks7500 was easily the best set yet for gaming. 25ms response but much smaller curved screen that uses a better 'super-lcd' tech than LG's nano cell. proper hdr support.
Linus your a amazing group of people and you inspired me to build my own computer and not use my xbox no more and to go to school for server repair so i can build my own in my house
I'm still using my 2013 Sony TV with 21ms in game or graphics mode. I have no reason to upgrade until 4k HDR OLED is fully sorted, and hopefully variable framerates are more mainstream in TVs
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1:21 when you afford lots of money to buy a great tv but your sofa/couch is not comfortable
no, dennis is just REALLY excited for the grand tour
Looks like it's not deep enough, a percher instead of a seater. Probably make a good casting couch.
LOL
Perhaps that's why he was so uncomfortable. Perhaps he has PTSD flashbacks to his... erm... casting...
Eni how the fuck can you afford money
Any viewing angle. .... up to 60 degrees.
60 percent of the time, it works every time.
Works 66.6% of the time, the other 2/6ths, you gotta move the chairs closer to the middle. It's flat, what more do you want?
Curved TVs ain’t worth it
I'm not sure how this helps making a buying decision. It gets compared against OLED in an entire different price leave, and a gaming monitor, which is mostly used with PCs rather than consoles. I would have liked to see it compared against other TVs from competing brands to see if this one is indeed faster.
That’s completely typical for this channel
I think they're more likely to adopt Vesa/AMD FreeSync than G-Sync Linus as essentially all consoles run AMD hardware and it can then also be implemented in other non-computer gear also. Especially given that G-Sync only works over DisplayPort while FreeSync works on HDMI
And not to forget any G-Sync device works with FreeSync monitors.
@@Fehrium Not always... Most AMD FreeSync & GSync compatible monitors have issues with GSync devices...
the only console that supports it is Xbox what are you talking about?
Is this tv 120hz?
Here I am using an SK8000PUA as a 65" 4k monitor and its been an absolute champ running off of a XFX 5700XT. It is true that the black levels are not the greatest...but in the action of a game you're not paying attention to black levels.
I’ll stick to my 10 inch, cinematic 24 FPS CRT TV, thank you very much.
lol i remember watching crt's... that warm mesmerizing glow. now i dont even watch tv pretty much.
The standard for CRT's is actually 60hz thank you very much......
I have 50hz Sony FD Trinitron 28" widescreen flat CRT PAL TV from 2005. It does have really good response time, colors, contrast and blacks are really back. Mostly I use it to play PS3 (connected with RGB Scart) and watch anime.
Edit: NTSC CRT's is 60Hz
CRT's typically have extremely high refresh rates!
CRTs only have very high refresh rates at low resolutions.
the lg I have is amazing when gaming no lag after I tweaked the game settings
What settings did u changed?
Do you remember which settings you changed?
11/10 recommended by Dollar Shave Club and Synergy
ToadAwesome12 razers to make your TV sharper? sounds legit...
forgetting tunnel bear and dbrands
ever hear of adblock?
adblock that works in-video?
david tan you mean fast forward?
Been using PC on TV for 10 years or so. Currently using a 55" Samsung. For comfort I use wireless keyboard (honestly not much difference from wired) on my lap, wireless trackball (M570) and a wireless 360 controller and it works for me.
this video will push lg to further improve their products. you got a very important channel here bro! congrats again.
G-sync? Perhaps better to stick with the free open standard for Adaptive Sync instead. Then we might see it utilized on consoles to. And Nvidia might actually have to start suporting standrds to :P
Daniel Liljeberg nvidia knows they can get away with their own technologies and people will pay out the ass for it
"free open standards dictating what tech is used in consumer devices"
HDMI vs DisplayPort
The problem with FreeSync is GPU market share. There are nearly 4x as many discrete GPUs out there with G-Sync support as FreeSync, so if you adopt FreeSync, you've ignored the significant majority of the gaming market. Of course, this could change if consoles or nVidia GPUs added support for FreeSync.
ofc, part of the issue ;)
What? FreeSync works over both Displayport and HDMI. If I remember correctly it's G-sync that is quite limited.
Maxine was looking good in that Forest scene!
Linus:You know what else looks good anything you toss up on the screen
Me: puts 144p video on it.
it'll be the best damn looking 144p video youve ever seen
Please Linus do not encourage manufacturers to implement G-sync on their montitors/TV but Freesync. We hope that adaptive frame rate synchronization will be a standard technology soon and if we encourage the Nvidia based technology, we will have to pay for it.
Baptiste DL smart thinking
This. Freesync being the standard would benefit the consumer more than gsync.
This here needs top comment.
But...what if you use nvidia?
Sam Harrington Freesync is open source, so once Nvidia are no longer able to milk people's money via G-Sync, they'll end up supporting Freesync on their cards too.
I have a 42" lg TV from 2012 and it still holds up great, I don't see myself needing a new one for a long time...
Linus: At last a good TV for gaming..
Also Linus: Anyway no gamer is gonna use this..
He said "professional" players wouldn't use it. Professional gamer ≠ casual gamer.
Im a filthy casual and I won't use this lol.
I play BF4 / BF1 and PUBG on 55UH950 it have 26ms input lag , RIP everyone ( check my game play :P )
haha the whole premise is fucked, heavy gamers almost always have a 24" 144hz monitor or better, and no reputable gamer is switching out a few of those for any tv.
Some of us don't care about playing crappy mainstream twitch shooters and 20-30ms input lag is indiscernible when playing other DECENT games. A sony bravia is amazing for gaming and affordable. No lag (and I'm very sensitive to it actually), amazing picture quality too.
I don't care about 4k. 1080p is good enough. Fuck having a 24" monitor LOL dm sanchi - you are wrong. Most heavy gamers do not have a 144hz monitor. A very small minority do. I'm a heavy gamer and my Sony is perfect for that and shits all over many monitors (and I've had many good ones). You guys really are just being very picky. I love quality, but I'm not gaming on a 24" tiny screen lol.
I have a monitor I use as a 2nd screen, has great picture quality, 2ms response time and I wouldn't ever game on it again after going to a big screen. If you're anal and care so much about pixel density etc, good for you, but don't label all gamers as idiots just because they don't sit in front of a tiny screen
This tv seems awesome, and there is nothing worse than input lag when gaming. I still thought it was weird though when 4k tv's started coming out and a lot of people where like man it's so crazy it looks so amazing. And they do they look great but my friends were all thinking of buying them and I started telling them how they were insanely overpriced especially because it's not like 4k is some new technology and convinced them to wait till they go down which they have tremendously. They're only lime 500 bucks for a 50 inch now. Really the resolution is 3840x2160 so there's 3840 pixels in a horizontal line and 2160 pixels in a vertical line so the size of your tv affects how big the pixels actually are. My friend used to have a 32 inch 1080p tv and I have a 22 inch 1080p tv (for my pc mostly) one day we were set up playing a game with both our tvs so we didn't have to split screen and he kept looking at my tv and saying man your tv looks better than mine. really it was just because the pixels were smaller on my tv and we were close enough to see the difference. He had a sharp aquos or what ever they were called and mine was an RCA I bought for 150 dollars from the drug store. This was 5 or 6 years ago but a couple years later all of a sudden there's talk of these ultra hd tv's and it's like ok and then 4k but I started thinking more about it and really since the time 720p came out they pretty much had the technology to make 4k tvs. Theres a huge difference between the pixel size of a 20 inch, 720p tv and a 60 inch, 720p tv. But the pixels on a 20 inch 720p tv are the same size as the pixels on a 60 inch, 4k so they could have made 4k tvs like 10 or 15 years ago, they probably would have been clunky as shit but it was possible. but that's the way it is and has been for a very long time. they have the technology but if they sold the newest technology right now then what would they sell you tomorrow? same reason companies make products that will break after about 2 years. But they have the technology to make insane tvs like 16k resolution or even better than that and i mean they could do it right now in fact they probably could have done it years ago. think about it your smart phone is probably 1080p probably better and it's only say a 5 inch screen for math purposes so if you used the same size pixels and doubled the screen size that's 4k on a 10 inch screen. Double again that's a 20 inch 8k tv. Double again that's a 40 inch tv at 16k. Totally possible and most phones like i said are better than 1080p so it would be more than that. What's crazy is that you think can fit about 60 pixels from your phone screen into one pixel on a 40 inch 1080p tv because 1080p has something like 2 million pixels and the theoretical 40 inch 16k tv (which would have the same size pixels as my phone) would have 128 million pixels which would mean in the place of one pixel on a 1080p 40 inch tv there would be 64 pixles. All of that really made me think what the hell when I first saw a tv that was 4k which meant it was double the resolution of my tv but was also double the size at 44 inches which means the pixels in both tvs were the same size there was just 4 times more of them. But instead of 4 times the price of my tv which would have been 600 dollars or even twice that at 1200 just because its the new cool thing. but no, they started at like 3000 and that's not even for a good brand. as if it was some crazy thing like we were so lucky there R&D department made this new tv when really they just used the same stuff they had lying around in the factory. they didn't struggle to shrink the technology down it was already shrunk, and it was right in front of our very eyes yet they are selling it almost like it's new technology. They literally had to just take 4 20 inch 1080p tvs and stick them together and boom. you got yourself a 4k tv
I swear I have the lines for all of his sponsors memorised. *Its like an ad imbeded within me.*
Leslie, is that you?
I think that's the idea
just got the lg nano 85 65" its a beast for gaming pretty close to my gaming monitor.
Im still using a 32" LG TV I bought 10 years ago as my main monitor. No complaints from me on all the games I play both PC and Console
6:23 And they just did, with their B9, C9 and E9 OLED's
I've been watching Linus since Like 2010. I have learned so much from his videos. He is a great teacher. Thank you Linus!
LordMacragge77 you can clean the ass sweat from your face now! 😂 only kidding,Linus is top tier of the RUclips tech world 👍🏽
Why don't TVs have Freesynce yet? It's a free standard FFS!
Because they don't use displayport
SomePlaceForVideos it works over the newer HDMI revisions
Qled have it
2017 - wtf , where is freesynch?!
2019 - oh.. there we go (lg sm9000) xD
Because companies love to make people suffer on purpose..... they do this spitefully. its really fucking annoying.
we are almost in 2020 and we have yet to have adaptive sync technology as a standard on ALL monitors and TVs.
Them companies wonder why they dont sell enough of their products.
Ive been told by several monitor and TV companies and I QUOTE "" There is not enough demand for it "" - END-QUOTE
WTF ..!!??
Vizio M65-C1. 65" 4K, supports 4K 30 and 4K 60FPS, 1080p at 120Hz, perfect black uniformity, 10-bit panel with excellent color accuracy, 18ms input lag. 18ms. Full-array backlight, excellent native contrast. Comes with a Qwerty keypad on the back of the remote for easier searches for content. The perfect gaming TV already exists, and I love it.
For half the price of OLED it's actually an awesome TV for gaming. 👍
Oled delay is about 32 ma
*Shows 33*
And nano cell is 40
*Shows 37*
convoluted rounding vs just saying the actual numbers. A total shame when we're talking about just 2 digits here
the new LG TVs like uk6540 have input lag of about 13-14ms on game mode. And it doesn’t have nano cell technology. So I don’t get the point of this nano cell technology and if it’s even worth forking out the extra cash for it.
@@samirfakoua I'm not sure why he got 40. In Rtings it says is 15ms in Gaming mode. So I'm guessing he didn't test it with it on.
@@Omizuke Yes in displayspecs it shows 15ms , so why 40 ?!
@@Omizuke
They used a Leo Bodnar test, which delivers more consisten results.
with the newer nano 9 having HDMI 2.1 make a difference from the nano 8 that you reviewed?
nano 86 has also HDMI 2.1
nano 85 has it as well
I really like the 120 Hz refresh and frame rate, plus variable frame rate from HDMI 2.1
gsync and oled would be mouth watering..
haven't you heard of playing pc games on a TV?
not if still only 60 hz, needs at least 120 hz
1stfloorguy but most console games are locked at 60fps, if not 30fps, so would it be that beneficial?
Pety yeah if you hook a computer to it like I did lol
That would be a dream :-)
I seriously doubt that there ever will be a device that combines a TV with a Gaming monitor without marketing deception. Gaming is technically too complicated for a TV.
While we're at it, tell them to use a multiple instead of just straight upscaling when it comes up to low res gaming. I'm bringing 240p-480p to 960p and the picture is absolutely mind blowing for retro gaming.
This post from a proud OSSC owner. : )
In my experience with LG TVs (I've owned 3) labeling the HDMI port as PC rather than Games Console will DRAMATICALLY reduce processing and input lag regardless of whichever picture profile used,
Why can't anyone make a TV/monitor above 35" that have a high refresh rate?
because...
Nvidia tv coming soon. Expect it to cost a lot
Finally a gaming tv! Ive been waiting 11 years to finally play Super Mario 64! I cant wait I told my family Itll be worth waiting rather then playing on a normal tv.
CRTs were faster...
Dont have scart
That's great, but you could have just gotten a CRT TV which are cheap or even free. Also, even though most modern TVs still support analog inputs such as composite and s-video, there is still gonna be input lag because the TV has to convert a analog signal to digital. And retro games look utter shit on modern TVs.
What a troll
@@JamesSchro Indeed
LG couldn't escape Linus obviously... bunch o SNAKES
UseR TV who is the snake?
DClover lg
If there's a Snake then it's Samsung. LG could produce a
sparksy27 wasn't asking you
i FRIGGIN LOVE THIS CHANNEL and Linus is the shit. I'd give anything to work with you guys. Your employee's are lucky!
This nanocell series from LG is a good full screen cartoon TV. Maybe ok for gaming not sure, but what I can tell you is that this is not a good TV for Netflix or movies. The haloing, white corners and light streamers from base will make you cry! I bought this TV for movies and hate it! No back light filter at all. Keep looking, this LCD LED is not the one to buy. I did and regret it
You must have the edge led version of it
@@DanyTheGripper not sure? It's a 2019 LG nanocell 8600. Horroble TV! 😫
8600 is edge led. From 9000 series and up it's direct led which is a lot better at local dimming and deeper blacks
@@DanyTheGripper thank you for the heads up! It's a little late but atleast now I know the reason for the horrible picture. I dont know why they make so many different models of same TV, sucks for consumer
@@byronsmith4872 sm 9000 upwards and hd/full hd 32 Inchers are direct led
I still game on my 42" Panasonic Plasma at 600hz, yes only 1080, good enough for me.
600hz.... bro u mean 60
@@41ex yeah I was also like wait a minute
Etienne the question lol
wait if ya see 600hz . . .
Plasmas have refresh rates of 600 hz to 840hz. This does NOT equal to frame rates. Different technology vs LCDs, of course the trade off was more power consumption, possibility of burned-in images and diminishing blacks over time. Google it.
This TV has been out for about 6 months, i work at Best Buy and its been here for a while
is it shit ?
Did he say L jay
CJ nah I think he said C Jay
^ beat me to it lol
Straight busta
BrechtXT what i heard tbh
Hey look It's CJ!
You should check out the Nano TVs of 2020 for gaming, find out what a few years can do
u got one Thomas ?
The TV whilst it is at standard setting is generally at around 40ms its only when you change it to GAME mode that it drops to 15ms at 4k HDR 60hz
Does it support 120hz at 4k?
@@essamnino9108 it does indeed
Or they could put FREESYNC on the the tv with open source. And not have to jack the price up too much LINUS and pay NVIDIA..
Chris Bullock or have 3 similar models, 1 with freesync, one with gsync, and the last one with both
The screen tearing makes me sad.
Seems like they don't know how to use V-Sync.
3:38, even the screen tears are tearing.
The flicker on the Nano cell is so bad...
Wows
I just returned mine, the light bleed was SHOCKING!
The newest model is direct lit instead if edge lit so this wouldn't be a problem with the newest model.
@@benreynolds2050 agreed, this was a few years back. I have oled now👍🏼
Edgelit HDR is barely HDR but honestly the rest of the feature-set alone make this a lot of TV for the money.
The nano cell tvs are awful, this channel is always hyping up lg
@John Akagami when you spend that much on a TV you are not going to tor around and go yeah it is bad, I am sure it is great for you buddy and I am glad, but I see the 866 every day next to the xh80, 85 the Samsung q70, q60 and it is awful playing the sme content, the light bloom is awful and this is on every size, but enjoy it man and do not listen to me as you have it now, I am only trying to warn someone thinking of it
I have a 49 inch LG TV and I tested the input lag using my Wii U. I checked the timing between the screen and Gamepad and yes, noticeable lag on it. Luckily that was fixed when I switched the TV to game mode! I do like the idea of this nano cell TV, hopefully we’ll still see this when 8K comes!
Woohooooo. 5M subs. Congrats man.
1:06 Dat shine effect doe.
Your numbers on input lag don't match what rtings came up with in their testing (your results are slightly over double their 15.1 ms for 4k @ 60hz in game mode). Just curious as to why that is...???
Edit: 1080p @ 60hz was 15 ms btw
Edit 2: www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/sj8500
maybe linus is also gaming so just the gpu already needs 16.67ms to render the frame...
and pretty sure rtings uses a better method to measure input lag, not with just a regular camera : p
slopedarmor Rtings DOES indeed use a better method, I just wanted to see if Linus would reply (which, of course, he didn't). I'm not the only one to call them out over this and I haven't seen any replies as of yet.
Probably a plug for the Oled.
7
I think the 2017 vizio p-series is probably one of the best. 12.2 ms of input lag at 1080/120hz. 14-15 otherwise and has as high as 10000:1 contrast with local dimming (almost 10x this tv)
Input lag is much higher using 4K HDR though. I think it's aroud 60 ms or so which is among the slowest compared to the competition. Not that most people would even notice however.
yeah true, but hdr gaming is still pretty niche so it probably wouldn't bother most
I have been running all my machines with 46" to 55" tvOS for years in surround. I have always loved having 9.5ft of desktop while gaming. I'll be grabbing these as well.
I just hope we get better cables to handle bandwidth so we can get higher frames in 4K
With OLED technology, sub pixel brightness changes near the minimum brightness, do change slower than IPS panels, the most important aspect is the hardware driving the panel.
I just wanna pop it....
I agree. The zoom just made it worse.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw it. You'd think whoever edited it would've told'em and have them do the scene over again or at least got rid of that horrible zoom...It's almost like they were zooming in on purpose.
Haha was just scrolling down to see if anyone had noticed and commented on the breakout. It just looks gross when they're zooming in lol
I just want an OLED gaming monitor...
Jeffrey Wong lg already provides it , it has 120hz good for gaming with oled
OLED is overrated. It has worse burn in than plasmas.
@@Vinnay94
Plasma and CRT both perform worse than OLED in terms of long term image retention, leaving retention artifacts sooner than their OLED counterparts.
Katzelle3 You kidding right? I own 4 CRT TVs and only 2 of them have minor issues.
Next video: We are fitting the $9999.99 worth TV in out garage.. because this is LTT
I use an LG TV from last year (UH661V, 49") for PC gaming. It has no noticeable input lag (or maybe just a tiny bit) when playing high paced games. It probably won't be good enough for pro gamers, but for me it's perfectly fine.
I have a LG 43UJ651V that I use for gaming, it's not quite good enough for FPS games but racing games work fine, sometimes I pick the 4k 60Hz screen over my 3440x1440 100Hz ultrawide
give it a few years to be sold at 499$
UberCoffeeTime Wich one?
UberCoffeeTime what tv is it
Imaginalex Drawings Go ahead and wait a few years broke boy.
Funny you say that after a sale at Meijer, 10% team discount, plus $20 dollar Santa bucks, and $10 off total basket (ik that's a lot lol) I got it for $493!
@@DistantMist It's been a few years ! "i hate to be the one with the -told you so-" These crap never last in value.
Max really is pretty with that blue hair.
She's like a mermaid...
The LG sk8500 has a 13ms input lag in game mode
4:00 If you had the monitors connected to each other, the '2nd' monitor will be the slower one. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
Just bought a samsung uhd smart tv 3 weeks ago. Has a game mode which eliminates most lag which is great for consoles. But I was surprised to find it has a unadvertised PC mode which eliminates all lag (it auto detected this mode for the PC input). In PC mode there appears to be no processing at all on the tv's end (other than active contrast being the only adjustable significant setting) pretty much eliminating any lag at all. Wasn't an expensive screen either, $600 canadian.
Samsung had a 20 MS tv... this thing is too slow. My slower Sony TV is like 30-33MS, which is still faster than anything LG has.
Why is this thing supposed to be fast at nearly 40? Even 30 is too much. Actually 20 is the bare minimum for enjoying computer games and shooters. Especially if you are used to 1 ms at 144 hz.
The OLED actually has a 120 Hz mode and according to the Leo Bodnar test, the input lag is 21 ms.
Rtings measure lg sj8500 input lag 15ms. Not sure about your monitor do you speak 1ms response time or input lag? Lg oled has 0.1ms response time but input lag 21ms.
linus doesn't really use the best method to measure input delay... also he measures it during gaming, if they are gaming at 60hz that means 16.67ms of lag is because the gpu needs to render the frame first. Probably also a few ms of lag for the cpu and maybe even the mouse.
Personally I have a 55" LG b7v oled with 21ms input delay and almost instant response time, as a PC monitor actually : )
the oled does not have a true 120 hz mode, it's marketing, all tv's are 60 hz.
I have the B7V OLED as PC monitor. It does have true 120hz mode, but 1080p only. So I never use it (I did try it) because I'm always on 4K60.
I swear i will close the video before tunnel bear come 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😑😑😑😑
Surprisingly enough, it's Corsair this time.
and audible in the end of the video lool
Ur Family got Tunnel Bear Premium tho
The SpiritchaseR i dont live in any of the 20 countries that tunnel bear service😊😊😊😊🙃🙃🙃
Lmao. Then all of red bar on linus videos are all on 3/4
More professional titles, better thumbnails (less stupid yet still interesting). You seem to be getting better Linus.
i think he generally does a good job in informing, versus enticing in the thumbnails.
but then, I don't define something as click bait unless it way over-promises, and way under-delivers.
I have a 47" LG SMart TV running at a consistent 60fps & 1080P with no trouble at all on my NVidia 1050 4GB GPU. OK sure, it has lag which for gaming sucks, but I'm used to it & it's not that bad.
I do have a 24" 2nd monitor with a great display which will run at the same specs with no lag at all but it's 24", which is literally 1/4 the screen size. And 47" is AMAZING for doing EVERYTHING!
The colour & crispness of the screen are perfectly sharp, clear w/ fantastic pic quality for movies & gaming. I mean it's beautiful doing EVERYTHING. I LOVE it.
At 47", I will NEVER go back to anything smaller & cannot understand why anyone wants to use small 24, 27 or even 32" monitors when they can see & do so much more with something like this.
Why have the TV / Monitor makers NOT made 42; 47; 52 & 65 gaming monitors by now? It's NOT like they can't do it & they should be cheaper than Smart TV's, especially when you don't need the TV part at all. I watch Netflix on my puter & don't even bother with TV any more.
The ONLY thing that bothers me about this Smart TV is the small lag when I press the mouse in games. As I said, it's tolerable so get rid of that & OMG, yeah, perfect.
The picture, performance & what you see on the screen is rock solid, sharp with awesome colours including blacks.
I also draw 3D CAD & that is also amazing on such a large format. I just can't go back to anything smaller than 47" so what can I do? I NEED a gaming monitor that I can work on as well.
At almost 6 years old, it's almost time for a new monitor & puter rig & I do NOT want to buy another Smart TV; I want a gaming monitor that is at least 47" & 120 - 144 Refresh rate with NO LAG.
What is there at the moment? So far, nothing. I am waiting for the NVidia gaming monitors to come out, but I know they will be soooo pricy & this one was worth $2,000.00 when I got it new.
I can see myself spending that again, but no way can I afford no $4,000.00 for a monitor.
So what is this gaming / 3D CAD girl to do?
Would love an update for newer versions
#WEWANTSCRAPYARDWARS
MAJOR
...didn't we just get a season?
Michael Alexanders WE WANT THE ONE THEY TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING THO
The next video they are coming out with is another tEch showdown not scrapyard wars.
MAJOR i
Just use the samsung ku7000 20ms
LG Is The God Of Things!
Rocket League thumbnail.
TV perfect for gaming.
Sold.
I still love my 2016 55" Samsung KS8000. rtings.com tested the input lag in game mode to be 20ms. I love playing games on it, and HDR still works in game mode!
The OLED has a 120 Hz mode with 21 ms input lag.
But the image retention(burn-in) from an OLED isn't ideal for gaming where a HUD could be in the same place for long periods of time. I had that problem with the plasma tv I had before. OLED is hands down the best choice for movies right now, but there are better options for gaming.
Scott Musselwhite
LG's OLED panels do not perform at 100% brightness, so the aging of the film is not accelerated when it's in use.
All signs of short term image retention disappear within seconds (similar to IPS) and today's OLEDs execute a pixel orbiting routine during stand by, so you don't have to worry about permanent image retention at all.
Burn in used to be so bad for CRT and Plasma, that you can see the patterns even when the TV is off, but for OLED this is absolutely not the case.
The OLED panel has a 100k hour lifespan, so you can use it for 10 years without any issues.
Can anyone link me to the short movie "Pencil." ? I can't seem to find it. 1:44
I never buy iPhones, because from my experience they had bad battery life, and I used to complain to them about it... and they hated me. Then they released one with good battery life and I was like, hook me up! And they gave me one... If only I was LinusTechTips.
forget G-Sync, use Freesync! Those OLEDs are expensive enough without adding that crap to them.
Hey Linus what do you guys think of the TCL 607p
it's supposed to be great value tv....only in usa :(
607p really? give us link please.
love your humor, don't ever lose it
Vizio m65-d0 19ms response time on 4k 60 Hz and you can play 1080p 120hz as well, and yes real Hz not interpolated.
Having a hard time deciding on a TV for gaming, talk about first world problems!..
get a monitor
1misanthropist wow. Your mindset us screwed even even for a extreme third world resident.
Aaron Greenfield this tv has a lot of ghosting so dont buy it
1misanthropist shut up hater !
@@sagkoenigin did you even pay attention to the original comment that started all of this? Context, it's an important thing to know you dumbass
Why not compare it to TVs at the same pricerange...
because they were comparing the technology not the price point.
Price to price comparisons are dumb things AMD people say. Performance Spec to performance Spec is the only way it should be done
Performance to dollar is a good way of getting your moneys worth
ok
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I don't know why I'm watching this, I'm not even gonna buy this any way lol
Bought the 55sj810v in October 2017 it's been awesome for gaming
This is really very professional and good looking too
6:52 what happened to your nose?
It looks like a pimple
dropped the tv on it
йцуке ячсмит one of his nano cells had an issue with his review of nano cell
Nano? NANI?
お前はもう死んでいる
+Makarima Fahreza Fathony
ん - 何？！
Mou shindeiru
Oma we shindeiru
fist of the north star
*GIMME DAT IN OLED VERSION*
Question... the LG nano 4k... why is the dimensions of the 86" version 75.8" x 38" and the dimensions of the 75" version 66" x 38" ?????? how can BOTH tv's share the SAME height yet differ by about 10 inches on the length????? IS the image distorted on one or the other by comparison??????
My 7 year old LG 42" TV has no input lag and the picture quality is comparable to the Apple Cinema display and I use it for photo editing as well as gaming. It has never been used as a TV... Input lag seems to be only a problem on new tv`s and it is so bad that sound is out of sync compared to the stereo connected (that means 100-250ms or more). To get the sound synchronized you must route the sound to come from the TV...
When youtube automatically changes to a Linus video and this baby voice wrecks you ears
Right....? Maybe the marbles haven't dropped yet.
"Blacks are.. Well black.." -Linus 2017
I didnt understand a thing he said. Let me haul my ass back to unbox therapy! 😅
+Vod Glaude it’s gud. But not as gud as oled.
I didnt listen either I thought it had a built in graphics card, harddrive and operating system. But no
Linus Team, please make a video comparing the Vizio Quantum X and the TCL 6 Series; breaking down their feature sets and value per dollar (Considering that the Quantum 65" is on sale for $2100 & the 6 Series 65" is on sale for $699)
Jona V. Great Idea
SPIDER GAMING thanks! 🤞 here's hoping they see it
Check out the TCL55S405. All of the same features on a TN vs an IPS panel, so the only sacrifice is viewing angle. The price is between $400-$450. Input lag of 14.9-15.1ms. 4:4:4 HDR 8-Bit.
6:52 whats that on his nose...lol!
Linus Zit Tips
I swear RUclips keeps unsubscribing me from my channels... I was unsubbed from this one, when I know I haven't. missing lot of content from my previous subs, dafuq RUclips!!!
Seriously. The 2016 ue43ks7500 was easily the best set yet for gaming. 25ms response but much smaller curved screen that uses a better 'super-lcd' tech than LG's nano cell. proper hdr support.
Linus your a amazing group of people and you inspired me to build my own computer and not use my xbox no more and to go to school for server repair so i can build my own in my house
"You know what else looks good?" - cuts to Brandon lying on couch -
they are both asians.. but thats Dennis lol
So I have been playing Rocket League wrong.
6:51 look at that thing its fucking alliiiiiveeeeeeeeeeeeee
I'm still using my 2013 Sony TV with 21ms in game or graphics mode. I have no reason to upgrade until 4k HDR OLED is fully sorted, and hopefully variable framerates are more mainstream in TVs
Alex is now my second favorite Linus Tech Tips staff
Behind Luke
Weslly Labrador taran
0:00 Dat Face....
Bruh