[7H][4k] CSX Trains and a Close Call, Abbeville Sub, GA 12/14/2019-01/18/2020
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- The "close call" in the title refers to an incident in Statham, GA that makes one hold the breath: A huge truck passing a railroad crossing in front of an approaching train. The crew of CSX train Q211-17 might well have already estimated their chances for not getting their train stopped in case the truck wouldn't have made it across in time. Watch and judge the situation. After all, one is reminded of a train vs. truck crash that occurred in Statham in Fall 2016 - you can watch the result of a train impact here: • [3i] CSX Train Q616-13... . Beyond this, the video contains multiple trains on the CSX Abbeville Sub roller coaster: Two different L210 autorack trains, manifests Q580, Q582, and Q583, a rare U736 empty coal train (don't miss the great meet of Q583 and U736 at Harper Siding!), and said Q211. Enjoy!
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Nice catches of the trains.
That truck was blessed it was able to make it through the crossing like that
Yup.
That is cool with the racks looks like a centipede coming over the crest awesome shot
You are right not a close call but. The lights where on could see them on the trailer. But the RR crossing lights supersede the green light he should have waited
Thanks! I really like these hills here. Didn't find such at the various other lines I visited in past years.
Looks like csx has figured out a DPU goes a long way on this sub since I last checked out your site.
Great camera work as usual. Nice catch at 7:13.
DPUs have been common here on certain trains for a couple years now. Thanks! Great you like it.
Another fine job MB, i love those DPU Units, especially mid-train. Great job on all the meets and as always the roller coaster is awesome. Keep up the great work .
Cool, thanks. Whereas I really love to watch massive lash-ups at the head end, I also started liking DPUs. Many railfans are most interested in the lead engine, but a DPU at the rear is something like a second catch, particularly if it faces backward.
Looks like there is traffic pre-empt at the xing. There’s a sign up next to traffic lights that says “no right turn”. That means the railroad xing and street lights are inter-connected. So when railroad xing sees a train, that sends a signal to street traffics lights to stop traffic and give traffic on the xing a green light to get out of the way. It’s called a “clear out” in the biz. I’m a signal maintainer for a railroad.
Thanks for the clear explanation! I know that many viewers here appreciate learning from those who know how the "biz" works :)
No excuse regardless for a professional driver to run the crossing like that. Traffic lite may have been in his favor, but the crossing lites weren't!
Brian W Those crossings with as parallel road are scary and dangerous. It's not the light configuration, it's the fact that tractor trailers and school buses are getting longer. They no longer fit between the train tracks and the highway. We have some of those in the Greenville,SC area.
@@b3j8 The traffic light turns green before the train signal activates, then will STAY green until AFTER the signal gate is fully down so that any traffic can clear well before the train arrives. This wasn't a "close call" at all, just normal operations and the truck driver did nothing wrong. There's a local signal here with shared light-rail and freight right of way where this same thing literally happens every ten minutes with big rigs, cars, buses.
The usual great editing and camera angles, thanks for labeling the locomotive power so I can learn!
Great you like it. I also think it's very helpful to add location, consist and some train information.
I had a few close calls of trucks running crossings when I was working. Tractor trailers loaded with steel is a scary sight. Excellent video.
Oh my! I can imagine - or better not - what it must feel like to face running into a load of steel beams... Good you enjoyed this video!
@@mbmars01 I seen the aftermath of a grade crossing collision between a train and a truck carrying steel beams. The locomotive went on its side. Engineer had injuries and could return to work for a very long time. The truck and the beams were all over the place. The driver was not injured. The woman in her car that was behind the truck was untouched by all the steel that landed all around her. I was working only about a half mile away sorting out cars that that train dropped off to me about a half hour before.
That's crazy. As in most cases, it's a single individual with lack of common sense who endangers other people. As railroad technology advances, pre-warn times of blocked crossings might increase, preventing more accidents, but drivers' awareness will always be an important factor.
2019: DPU near the beginning and on the ending video of the season. 2020: DPU in nearly every video so far.
Yes, Q582 has a DPU most of the time.
YUPPER!! There are Professional OTR Truck drivers than there are those who aren't !!! The new ""ELD"" DON"T help out much with the Drivers being extra careful as the clock doesn't stop !! Thanks for videoing & sharing & as Always ""KEEP IT SAFE ""!!
Thanks so much! Yep, but I hope the others keep it safe as well!
Super Nice catch !!!!
Thanks!
7:12 - maybe the first time I've ever seen an end-of-train device on a trailing DPU
Sweet video sir!! Cool shots and catches sir!! Keep up the fantastic work sir as always sir!
Great, thanks. Cool you enjoyed it :)
Thanks for posting these videos. When I was a kid I wanted to be an engineer (on a train) but I became a broadcast engineer instead. I still love to watch the trains. :)
Yeah, I know, I ain't work for a railroad either. It's just fun to watch these steel monsters :)
Lucky he made it across in time... Great video!!
Yes, I'm glad he did. Thank you!
Look's like an awesome place to catch trains. One of the best maintainted track beds that ive seen
It surely is. If the car traffic wouldn't be that heavy I would go there more often. But there isn't much room between the highway and the rail line and I don't like to be squeezed in like that.
Another great video.
Thank you!
NICE SHOTS SHOWING THE HILL AND THE HARD PULLING ENGINES.
Thank you!
Quality,Professionalism and original with an Authenic love of what you do.
All that is seen in your Video's.
Thanks for sharing,my friend!
You're very welcome! I'm happy you keep watching my videos! This is highly appreciated.
These CSX ET44s are really nice, I like them. The Statham location is very good, the track is indeed a rollercoaster there. The truck driver was lucky he could easily turn out onto the main road and nothing blocked his way. Another great video, thank you for the entertainment. :)
Very cool you enjoyed this one, too. The entire line is actually a roller coaster, but it's true, the long shots are particularly impressive in Statham.
Another good video I enjoyed
Very cool, thanks!
Very nice.. at the beginning of the video... great shots!! Nice shoutout at 15:00
Good you like it!
Terrific catches/power/races/meets! I bet some CSX manifest trains are carrying some intermodal cars now. There are way to many high schools and welcome city centers including one in Greenville South Carolina and the Greenville Drive baseball stadium with railroad tracks crossing them on campus. There are also some college campuses including NC State and Montgomery College Rockville Maryland that have railroad tracks adjacent or on the college campus.
On the other hand, it's cool to watch trains at places like these...
Watched the entire video where what and when was the "close call"
I think it was at 16:46 with the semi truck.
Very cool to see a pioneer loco as foreign power on a class 1 line!
It definitely was nice to see it, but it was only towed to some other location.
I am still amazed at the amount of wooden track supports are still used. I see where a lot of companies have gone to concrete “timbers.” But I guess as long as there is a yellow pine tree standing and creosote coatings, the wood will be used. Never the less, I could sit and watch these UT vlogs all day long and nights, uh, minus pee breaks, etc.
Indeed, wood is simply a cheap material and wooden ties do have some advantages, e.g., being more elastic than concrete and easy to replace. High-speed lines typically have concrete ties. I have heard that in Germany they had to replace long sections of concrete roadbed and ties on a high-speed line, because they during construction they had used acidic sand that gradually destroyed the concrete. The replacement cost hundreds of millions Euros. For most freight lines in the US, wooden ties are perfectly right.
Great video sir!! Sweet shots and catches sir!! Keep up the fantastic work sir!! We all enjoy ur fantastic work and effort that goes into these videos sir keep it up!!
Thanks so much, Jacob! I really appreciate it. The effort that goes into these videos is substantial and to know that railfans like you like to watch them boosts the motivation to work on the next one :) Keep watching!
Awesome shots my friend, always love your videos
Very cool. I'm happy you enjoy the videos!
@@mbmars01 keep it up, can't wait for the next one 👍
Will do!
That was some perfect timing on that meet 👍
Absolutely! I was very happy about it. I knew the coal train was there and I was worried he might move up earlier, but he didn't and it worked out perfectly.
@@mbmars01 yeah that shot couldn't have worked out more perfectly 👍
Wow that driver would have had his trailer ripped to shreds! He would've had to change his underwear if he hadn't got across in time!
Great shots nice video .
Thanks!
great video liked 🚄🚄🚄
Excellent, thanks!
12:00 what type of wellcars are these? you can see through the body, is this the new standard design?
FreightCar America DynaStack 40' 5-unit well cars. They are relatively new design, first prototype debuted in 2007 and production started in 2013. Reportedly, there are only 50 sets of this model on the TTX roster, so they can't be seen that often. Quite interesting cars indeed.
Looks like the reporting marks were crossed out and they have those neon green repair stickers on them.
Enjoyed your video,as a ex steam fireman/Driver in the UK, I am astonished at the size of your trains. Kind regards
Cool, thank you!
Where I used to live in Rhode island the trains went by Sunday night thru Thursday night and hardly saw any train accidents
Love the new intro also what camera did you use for this ?
Thanks! I used the same camcorder that I've already been using for a while: Panasonic WXF1.
@@mbmars01 did you need to do an light and color correction in post editing
No, I didn't do any correction, but the light conditions on that January day were really bad.
Nice video dear friend.
Very cool, thanks!
Yep The Crossing Was Infact On When The Driver Crossed The Tracks...
If You Were To Watch At 16:49 At The Rear of The Truck...
You Can Also See The White Lights On the Crossing That isn't Facing You...
You're right. I first thought the signals hadn't yet been activated, but it looks like they were on while he was on the track.
@Eugene Stoner lol
another good video
Great, thanks!
Awesome!!
Thanks!
What is the grade on those hills at 4:15 and 4:35? I realize the effect is intensified with the telescopic lens and they are probably relatively short grades.... but man, they look steep! Almost to steep for a RR. I guess with a running start it's not a big deal, and only part of the train is on the grade at any given time.
The optical foreshortening makes the grades look very dramatic, but in reality they are indeed substantial. However, today's power can typically easily handle it. Power distribution was a problem in the past, but they manage it better nowadays and out the DPUs where they need to be.
Well I will say it seeing no one else has......a GP20!! Awesome!
This was indeed a special treat.
Awesome! Hmm, those places look familiar.
Thanks! Lol, I'm sure they do :)
Wouldn't call that a close call....the semi had the green at the traffic light. I don't see the issue really.
You just never know what could force you to slow down or even stop in such a situation. Big truck, left turn, and a train approaching - in many cases this does not work out well... Safety first - always!
And with such large vehicles, the potential radius of destruction increases significantly. You risk the safety of not only the occupants of your vehicle and the train, but of anyone else in the vicinity. If unforeseen circumstances had forced that truck to stop, the occupants would barely have 30 seconds to get the hell out of there. Trains may have wheels, but they are by no means standard vehicles. They cannot simply stop on a whim. And you’re not going to win that battle. Respect the metal giants. Better safe than sorry.
Nice video sir!! Cool catches and shots sir!! Keep up the fantastic work sir!! Have you ever seen the Interstate heritage unit before 8105?
Good you like it! I don't keep records of what units I've seen, but I think I caught the Interstate once or twice.
I did not see any close call. When the truck entered the crossing the gates were not even down. As Brian W explained, there is a preemptive phase that clears the leg with the crossing before the barriers go down (in fact, the traffic lights on the paralleled road were red, which confirms this).
I know, for some people "close call" means the train has to scratch the tail of a truck, but I consider it from the point of safety margin - and there wasn't much of it here. The train, which traveled at track speed (45mph), arrived at the crossing only 30 seconds after the truck had cleared it. A loaded coal train is said to require 1.5 miles braking distance at such speed; this train was only 0.4 miles away. The train crew knew their parameters, of course, and was certainly sufficiently hardened from many earlier experiences not to engage their brakes - but it's hard to believe the truck driver, not knowing any details about the train, could properly judge the situation before entering the crossing. Anyway, train vs truck accidents happen on a daily basis in this country and it just makes one sick! Stop, look, listen - why not playing it safe?
Is it true that an average of 15 - 17 percent savings in fuel can be had by using a mid train and eot dpu unit . ???
Proper power configuration can definitely lead to fuel savings, but I don't know the figures. It certainly depends on many factors.
Hey MBMARS, what 4K camcorder brand do you use in these videos that you do? Awesome action as always, hoss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've uses the Panasonic camcorder model WXF1 in the last two years. Cool, thanks!
Sir you broght so many items
Yep, that's not a boring video for a railfan, I'd guess :)
Grait video bro.
Nice, thanks!
What camera do you use?
For this video, I used a Panasonic WXF1 camcorder.
Great video, yes it could have ended badly with the truck being struck by the train.safety first, last and always! I noticed the well cars on the end of the manifest, strange looking!
Thanks! The well cars were interesting; I have rarely seen this type before.
Tfm auto rack cool man
I love your area this sub has great straights and curves and you choose great places to video from. The long shot 2nd to last and last were beautiful views to me. That truck was cutting it a bit close and I suspect he knew it as well based on his rather hurried and rough turn into traffic. Thanks for sharing and it looked a bit chilly most of the time. How cold does /can it get in your neck of the woods.
Exactly my thoughts. I absolutely enjoy being out here, and access to the line is good in many sections. I also thought the driver realized that trouble was looming at the horizon. The left turn was a bit too brisk, even more so as he didn't have an unobstructed view to the left.
Wow. How people just don’t think before crossings.
Was the truck supposed to sit there forever. He had a green light!!!!
You call that a close call😆
Wouldn't have even made the crew sit up straight in their seats
ooo that was close!!
It was rather close, indeed. Not much margin left.
How are they even aloud to put train tracks on that Mitch of a hilly grade filled track
I have a question about the engineer and conductor . do they run on one particular section of the RR ,like the Abbeville sub or do they go wherever the CXS goes ? Great video , keep up the good work.
mr troy bilt I believe it’s just the sub but they can transfer
From what I can tell, they work on the same line most of the time; here it is typically the section between Atlanta and Greenwood, SC.
Jump over to the DJsTrains channel. ruclips.net/channel/UCMhzrplyMbk2HuMTUouSrBg. He's a CSX engineer (and N scale modeler) and has multiple videos about how things are done on 1:1 scale. If you can't find an answer to your question in his videos, ask as he's very responsive in the comments section.
Am takeing a look see
To be fair to the trucker, the crossing probably just went off as he was going across the tracks. The gates are also designed to break off in the event of a semi being stuck on the tracks.
Yea, I know. I have seen that actually happen that a trailer broke off a gate.
* Southern Pacific still around 14:10
Yes!!
Yeah, trucks always scared me when they pulled up too close. In the ancient world of my railroading, I was on a freight riding the head end and we were inside the yard limit board. We were heading to Englewood yard in Houston. The old H&TC line [SP] ran along the old US 290 from Hempstead to Houston. We had 4 jacks, 100 cars, and the caboose. A tractor trailer rig tried to clear a very busy Hempstead highway and pulled up on Long Point road crossing. He couldn't clear and wham bam thank you maam we crushed his cab. We were doing yard limit speed of 30. The driver didn't perish, and he and his wife sued [?] even though it was his fault. I had to give a deposition. The lead engine? Didn't do a thing to it. Me? I wasn't sure what he had in the tanker, so I was over behind the old head engineer, as if that could've saved me had it been flammable material. It had been only recently that a gasoline tanker had raced an SP train to the crossing in Kosse, Tx, and the train crew, as well as another crew deadheading, were all incinerated.
Thank for sharing this experience, scary as it is. I'm speechless the driver tried to sue the railroad. Don't these people get that they did something wrong and that the accident happened on the railroad's right-of-way? The stupidity of some folks kills me at times...
That first shot is amazing on maximum zoom with the heat haze from the engines and the crazy gradient. Was the GP20 in transit to somewhere?
It was actually a chilly winter afternoon (well, Georgia winter lol) which made these shots look particularly awesome. Now that it gets warmer, there's more blur in the long shots from the heat waves. But I also like these shots.
Yes, I think the GP20 was just transferred somewhere, but I don't know the destination.
Hello! How does CSX determine between a Mid DPU or a DPU at the End of a Train ? It seems like CSX does the Majority as Mid DPU. Thanks!
The best position for the DPU(s) depends on several factors such as the distribution of empty and loaded and long and short cars, and specific features of the line the train is supposed to run. I know there is computer software that can do the calculation to determine the optimal position. I'm not entirely sure whether or not CSX is actually using it. I think they do.
at 13:45 you have a clear signal AND YET YOU STILL MISS the the signal dropping down to red,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,why can't you get in the right spot when possible so we can see the aspect and what it indicates,,,,,,,,,,hardly ANYBODY that does these rail videos does this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WHY NOT...................
Lol, what's the purpose of showing this again and again. I have filmed this many times before.
I saw that with the Truck what a Jerk! Smh!
Also, why does some of the CSX 700 series ES44AC-H's not have a lightning bolt under the number if they are AC traction?
@Eugene Stoner lol
@Eugene Stoner YN2
16:40 you zoomed in on the train and the signals aren't on. 16:48 you pull back and show the signals on and the truck is obviously moving with a purpose to clear the crossing. It isn't till 17:00 that the arms come own. Looking at the traffic signals having the no turns lite, shows the signals are designed to clear the crossing. Come on now, lets not throw darts in the dark like this.
I can tell you that I passed that same crossing today and did a left turn like the truck. Since the crossing is not at grade, it is very difficult to see what's going on on the far side of the road - even more so if the view is blocked by cars waiting at the traffic light on the close lane. I don't throw darts in the dark - this was a dangerous situation, independently of whether or not the driver is to blame for causing it. Big trucks should simply not be allowed to use this crossing at all.
American railway engine high power and high technology good quality
Are those new well cars or have they been around for some time? I have never seen those type before.
Not sure, but I thought I have seen them before.
Those are Dynastacks from FCA. I think a prototype was built around 2011 and first order for 100 cars came in 2014. I've only seen a couple here in the midwest and that was 4-5 years ago. They suffered some cracking issues and I think the size/weight and 40' capacity was a problem. You noticed those two cars had the reporting marks painted out and a "Home Shop" sticker? Probably headed for scrap or storage.
CSX has lots of Gevos
That is true...
I think a few years ago there was a derailment in that area. if my memory serves me correct
That's a hot spot for accidents of all sorts. I still remember CSX train Q616 crashing into a car hauler in Statham in 2016. The link to this footage is in the video description.
@@mbmars01 Q616! I think that train (or the number ) was cursed.
I wouldn't consider that a close call. He had plenty of time, plus the traffic light is connected to the crossing.
Looks like that crossing in the distance is malfunctioning. Keeps turning off.
I noticed that too.
I've seen that happen too on a live rail cam I watch. In both cases, in this video & what I watch live, the red flashers are using L.E.D's and seems to be an issue with the video recording device & how it "perceives'" those LED's. The LED's are actually flashing at a high rate the human eye can't see but under certain outdoor light conditions, the video cam can "see" them blinking - same thing will happen with cars or trucks that have LED headlights. For the red LED flashers on the crossings at times the video recording sees them fading out & then gradually back up to full brightness, weird!
Kind crazy stood car go frun
Going up those hills you need a DPU
It depends. The unit trains and the shorter manifests usually don't have a DPU here (in fact, I was surprised Q583 had one).
The 'close call' isn't even mentioned until 17:00! Save your time.
Well, the title says: "CSX Trains and a Close Call" :) This video is primarily for railfans, not for people who like to watch disasters...
0:55 do you know how steep of a grade that is?
I think the worst grade is just slightly more than 1%, most of the others are below 1%. So, the optical foreshortening by zooming into the scene makes the grades look much more dramatic. Nonetheless, there have been many trains struggling with these moderate grades in the past.
@@mbmars01 ok, thanks for the information! I don't know what the grades are here in eastern Ohio, but one time I caught a loaded coal train with a pair of CSX AC4400CW's that was working hard, I think notch 8, with no DPU power, but I also don't know how long it was, since I uploaded the video on my original channel, which I don't have anymore, and when I uploaded it, it took the video file from my device. Someone I know recently caught a coal train with three 4400 HP engines, and it had around 300 cars fully loaded and it had no DPU, either, but was working pretty hard. Tomorrow morning I plan to go catch some trains, hopefully I get something good!
Wow, three engines for 300 loaded coal cars?! Well, enjoy your day at the tracks and good luck!
@@mbmars01 yes, it is unusual! Thank you
I've never seen an engine in the middle like that although I'm sure it happens a lot. Why in the middle and not the front or back? ✌️
Depending on the weight and size distribution of the rail cars (loaded, empty, long, short) and the shape of the rail line (curves, hills), it may be a good idea to distribute the power (DPU = distributed power unit) to reduce strain on the couplers and to apply braking power and tractive effort more uniformly across the train length. BNSF runs a long, loaded grain train in the southwest with 9 engines: 4 at the head end, 3 in the middle, and 2 at the end.
@@mbmars01 wow. Thanks for the info. I bet that grain train is something to see. I live in Texas and haven't seen anything like that.
I caught two, one in Flagstaff, the other near Needles. They can be watched in my videos labeled [57] and [6r], respectively.
Cdouglas - I live in central Texas and the BNSF runs through the farm. All DPU's are on the rear. Where the UP operates, I've never seen any DPU's in the middle of the train. Other places in the country I've seen DPU's scattered throughout the consist. I've seen mbars01"s BNSF grain train vid, as well as others like the CN that have a bunch of power distributed throughout the consist.
I can not tell due to the camera angle if the truck had started to cross the grade crossing when the gates started flashing. Either way the truck driver would have been at fault for stopping on a railroad grade crossing.
I wonder if such big trucks are supposed to stop before crossing (even if the crossing signals are off), take a look, and proceed when it's safe to do so. School bus drivers do this all the time. It gives them a few more seconds to evaluate the situation.
@@mbmars01 only tanker trucks and hazardous materials trucks are required to stop by law. There are times that a truck or bus my not need to stop. Buses of all types are required also. School Buses are also required to open the front door so they can hear.
Right, this sounds familiar. I didn't know, though, that school buses are required to open the front door. Interesting!
@@mbmars01 the reason was due to an accident between a school bus and a D&RGW Local freight train near Sandy Utah on December 1 1938.
Oh wow, that's sad. Maybe the kids made too much noise for the driver to hear the horn.
Man i. Bet that they in notch 8 coming over that hill
The power of these engines simply keeps amazing me again and again...
Csx railway engine good pulling wagon
Truck made it in plenty of time at 16:50.
Agreed. Gates literally just started flashing
I thought dangerous railroad crossings were a thing to do with the less developed countries. I'm surprised it's no different even in the developed world.
That appears to be a steep grade after the crossing - is it momentum that gets them up? Maybe it's the lens angle.
Yes, foreshortening makes the grades look steeper than they are, but some trains do struggle on these hills. The trains don't need the momentum from the downhill ride to climb again; they typically have enough horsepower and tractive force :)
Bnsf and csx
Not smart on the trucker part.
I don't know what that tractor-trailer driver was thinking about, it certainly wasn't about his safety. Freight trains going more than 40 mph pack a whole lot of power upon impact. He would have lost his life and traumatized the engineer. A CSX C-C locomotive weights anywhere from 390,000 to 432,000 pounds. That's just the locomotive alone including the other 10,000 to 20,000 tons of train. That would not end well for the tractor-trailer driver..... Not at all.
I agree! The train wasn't quite that heavy (about 3,000 tons), but this wouldn't have made much of a difference as close as he already was.
@@mbmars01 I wasn't talking about that train, "however" what made you so sure that this train was about 3000 tons, unless you were the engineer or the conductor and you have the manifest and you were assigned to or bidded on that run based on your seniority. How would you know that?.
Correct, most people wouldn't know that. So, everyone should play it safe. In this case the train mass is rather easy to estimate because the cars are all the same. Autoracks are surprisingly lightweight despite their huge dimensions: about 70 tons when loaded. Q211 is a loaded autorack train and this one had about 40 cars; add the weight of the locos and you end up with about 3k tons.
@@mbmars01 okay so that's how you added up the weight of the freight train. Okay 40 cars that are auto-racks pretty much are not that heavy on "this" train...... Got it.