Not an Adobe hater, as I use and love Photoshop and Lightroom Classic. But Premier is just a hard no. So tired of all the crashes, and troubleshooting, and workarounds, and the making of excuses. Just take a bit of time and learn to use Resolve. It’s more stable and at this point is so much more powerful, feature rich, and continuously improved, that it’s become the biggest no brainer. Add to that the one time cost and the exploding plugins, ecosystem, tutorials and support……. It’s time folks.
Same here, just can't get behind Premier. I'm not hardcore video editing but I haven't had any issues with Resolve the times I have had to do actual editing work outside of still images. Premier, just can't get into it.
Professional video editor here - if you’re having constant issues with prem on the latest version, it’s likely something you’ve done. Prem is pretty stable these days. Resolve is only a no brainer if you don’t want to work with other agencies/production companies, as the industry is still massively dominated by Avid and Prem.
@@TomMorterLaing Oh. totally agree with that. If you are a true Pro, and you have to work with the other agencies, then you have to do what you have to do. I think this will change over time. but these industries move more slowly and deliberately. For 90 percent of the actual user volume of these apps though, Premier Pro is on the right side of its product use and growth curve. As it should be. Because other products such as Resolve for that large group of users is better for them
For a pc that needs that much performance I would definitely use the Thermalright contact frame on the intel CPU. If you haven't used it. The bottleneck is the IHS itself and that's partly because it bends away from the cold plate in the middle. Lower temps means less power consumption and/or more performance
I have been using Premiere Pro for 4+ years, I have never had even one crash. I work with 1080 and 2.5k video, multiple tracks, effects, text, etc. At least 1 to 2 videos per week. i7-6950X 10C 20T, ASUS ROG STRIX X99, 64GB DDR4-2666 (4*16), ASUS TUF RTX-2060, WD Black SN770. I never overclock anything. Never any Windows File Explorer crashes either. I use my big workstation for other tasks, Xeon W7-2495X 24C 48T, ASUS Pro WS W790 ACE, 512GB DDR5-4800 ECC RDIMM, ASUS ROG STRIX RTX-3090 OC 24GB, WD SN850X 4TB, etc.
5:40 an entire VIDEO on codecs and this quick sync and other things would probably be wildly helpful to me. I'm a designer of 11 years and do motion work but it feels like perhaps i'm choosing the wrong rendering options and could be setup for easier editing, rendering and uploading. You're the guy to educate us on it, i know that! :)
The only reasonable thing to do is to build a R9 7950X rig since it would be obvious that upgrading from a 5950X to a 13900K is moving to a newer gen and DDR5. The Ryzen R9 7950X doesn't have Quicksync because that Intel proprietary but it does have AVX512. I really don't care what people use but you should make equitable comparison since your moving to different platform anyway.
Hello, I based my new build on your recommendations and I'm really happy with the performance in Premiere! I bought the Asus ProArt (same MB as yours), 13900k, RTX 4080 and 64 gigs of ram. You stated that your Thunderbolt 4 does not read your USB-C devises but mine does. I have my Corsair monitor (Corsair XENEON 32QHD240 32" WQHD) connected to one TB4 and a SanDisk 1TB Extreme Portable External SSD, 550MB/s read/write to the other. I ran a Blackmagic speed test on the ScanDisk and I got about 520 read/write. When I built my system I downloaded the latest BIOS and installed Intel's TB4 drivers. Works perfectly for me! I really enjoy your RUclips channel and keep up the great work!
The tips that are taken from your experience and published for free are really useful and valuable for me. I wish there was a platform so that I could ask you basic questions and get guidance.
10:38 premiere cheats by changing output settings when using Intel Quick Sync, instead of the default VBR pass 2, it switches to just 1 pass making it export faster but this lowers video quality and larger file sizes. nobody wants to spend thousands in cameras and lightings to improve video quality then later to be lowered during export, some content creators even use software encoding for maximum quality. most youtubers dont even use quick sync in their benchmarks due to this issue it is not that they are not aware of quick sync. puget also mentioned this issue and suggested increasing the bitrate to compensate for the decrease in quality, it might solve the issue in quality but not the file size, this will also make the export longer might as well not use quick sync during export. if youre making a comparison to AMD, you should adjust the settings to VBR 1 pass as well or not use quick at all. pardon my english.
@technotice the sudden black screen you talk about at 18:22 is most likely caused by G-Sync, Disable it in Nvidia Control Panel and the issue should be fixed. ive had the same issue on my PC. Love the videos keep it up
14:33 try undervolting, it works for me, never hit any thermal anylonger, enable multicore enhancement, limit by 100 degree and something like 30 to 80 mV, i think i have 50mV - max temp i normally reach in benchmarks 91. The issue is that when it hits a thermal limit, it cooles down (=loose performance) and then ramps up, with undervolting (or extrem good cooling) you keep the temperature cooler in the beginng and never loose performance - because no penalty from thermal
Custom loop and an EK 360mm x 60mm Xtreme rad with Noctua 'Industrial' fans will handle 350W at just under 100C at full synthetic benchmark load. I'm running a custom overclock with 2 x 6GHz, 4 x 5.8GHz and all 8 P Cores at 5.7GHz on an SP 96 13900K. Asus ROG Z790 Hero motherboard. Will go direct die when I upgrade by dropping in a 14900KS next February 🙂. Go custom loop!
The explorer crashing is from having 4 NVME and 4 Sticks of RAM maxing the shared throughput on that proart board. Recommend you just go with 2 48gb sticks of the faster teamgroup ram. It's why all the z790 boards that have 5 nvme's, one of them is on PCIe5.
I think would be better to go with a 96gb kit ( 2x48) 6400 CL32, if you dont mind the gap from 128gb. its easier for the IMC to run 2 high density sticks, at these speeds, then to run 4 sticks.
Yeah exactly that's what I was thinking. Ironically enough this is where an overclocking board specifically the z790 tachyon as it has igpu support would be by far the best because while in 16 and 24gb dimms they run a little faster, they also suffer so much less speed regression with dual rank dimms being ur 32gb and 48gb dimms. I really would not be so sure his current board could run dual rank dimms at 6400
@@Frozoken i'm running 96gb g.skill 6800mhz cl34 kit on the same asus proart z790 creator wifi motherboard with no hiccups or crashes. The xmp is stable. Using it everyday since september last year when i built this pc.
Just saw a video on the black screen drop out you mentioned. It has to do with the power pins on the 4090. IF the sensor pin breaks contact, video will just shut off. If it isn't making contact at start up, the machine will either default to your on-board video or not power up at all. Check your pin holders to make sure they are all making proper contact. In the future, there is supposed to be a swap over to a different type of pin connector to prevent this.
Not sure if the stability comparison is valid unless you had 128GB on the AMD system. Other wise you're leaving an important variable out. The thing about the rendering and editing was a really great find, but I wonder at 64GB of ram what it would be like, as the editor and renderer would be competing for ram. Would be interesting if you could try it so people would know if they have to go to 128GB to take full advantage of the editing while rendering.
yea AMD's memory controller setup is notoriously picky with high-speed ram, and the problem only gets worse with all slots populated with high density sticks. There's plenty of published data for this so I don't think it's necessary to make a direct comparison to reach a general evaluation, but ofc it would always be great to know before making any decisive conclusions.
Well if he had less stability on the AMD system while running less capacity vs this system with more capacity, we can probably conclude the AMD system won't do any better in this category if we added more RAM to it.
@@dukejukem8843 So your saying running 64 GB on thea AMD system that's unstable can't be solved by going to 128 like he did on the intel system? And what do you base that assumption on when it worked for the intel system? As for the 4 sticks of ram on AMD not being stable he mentioned in his reply. Currently running 4 sticks of 16GB and have no issues with stability, but I'm also running Resolve instead of PP.
Concerning Microsoft explorer crashes and system latency, the RUclipsr Tech Yes City has done a few videos on the issue. He had spoken to some industry experts during Computex 2023, and they attribute the cause of the issue to the position of the memory controller. For previous Intel generations, the memory controller was on the motherboard. However, for the 12th and 13th gen Intel processors, the memory controller is on the CPU itself. Interestingly, he went back to Intel 10th gen and is happy with the responsiveness and stability of his system. Yet, I'm not sure how this possible solution will impact your workflow and content output. Love your content, keep up the good work, and I hope that this helps!
I apologize if I'm referring to the wrong controller. But I did notice that the same issue has been experienced by Tech YES City. I only wanted to give a possible cause and solution...that's all.
@@TheQuiescentGamer maybe you confuse the fact that ddr5, unlike ddr4, now has the voltage regulator, PMIC, directly on the dimms, and not on the mobo. uses 5V from MB, to convert to usable voltage, i.e. 1.4v. Memory controller, has been integrated into the Cpu, since the elimination of the "northbridge" on the motherboard, with the first generation i3, i5, i7
i think the performance is good on intel 'cause of the IPC / P-E cores(thread director) and AVX2 instructions (SIMD instructions that is used for encoding/transcoding / emulator and many others) amd is "brand new" on avx2 and i dono if zen3 have a fully avx2 and not an emulation. some CPUs with avx512 can get a +-30% increase in this type of task
I am running 128GB DDR5 RAM (4 sticks) on a Z690 motherboard at 5400 Mhz instead of the advertised 5600 Mhz. Get BSOD and refusal to boot when running at 5600 Mhz. And yes, configured for XMP2.
Pro video editor, I’ve found premiere hates working with raw footage, it’s a what seems to crash it the most. Even on a god tier machine most pro shops will use proxies. It massively helps stability. know for RUclips it’s about fast turn around so I get it. I use avid most of the time now, but sometimes premiere comes up and usually it’s using proxies. Cheers. Great videos
You might want to tweak Microsoft defender. I could easily see it getting hung up when trying to virus/malware scan terabytes of data. Other things to look into would be clearing the file explorer history and checking permissions if it's specific folders. Indexing is also a huge resource hog that can cause stability issues. Also I think it's on by default but make sure file explorer windows are opening up as separate processes.
the explorer crashes often bcs of the cpu itself , the 12th and 13th gen have some latency issues , they especially show up if u move files around the explorer or u alt tab fast , sometimes some of the apps won't appear on the alt tab select thingy in windows until u wait like a sec
Did you install the thunderbolt driver from asus or did you just use the windows update version and intel app? I had some strange results from my msi thunderbolt add in card until I installed the updated drivers. It’s states it was thunderbolt 3 but I never did any in-depth testing. But now it reports correctly and works great on all usbc and thunderbolt devices. The most annoying thing with the pro art is they make you use a patch cable to pass the video through thunderbolt (same as the msi add-in card) there must be a better way.
I have been building computers for an AI developer who works from home in an area with slow internet service. While coding can be done on a laptop, testing is done on a PC that I assembled with a 13900k CPU held down by a Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame and cooled by a Noctua NH-U12a and a 4090 GPU. With FurMark running on the GPU, the CPU was under 90 C while running Cinebench R23 doing a 30 minute stress test in a 25 C ambient. The multi thread score was just over 38000. Intel XTU makes getting the most out of CPU lottery and cooling solution a lot more time efficient. Cooling solutions also need to be efficient over time. Dust decreases the cooling efficiency and dust increases with fan speed (air flow). Dust will accumulate exponentially with time. This means that an initial temperature margin, e.g. 90C, will be needed to compensate for the inevitable accumulation of dust. CPU temperature will increase exponentially with frequency. The CPU and its bios will use a higher frequency and voltage (turbo boost) on a core if the temperature and voltage and maximum frequency will allow. This seems like a good idea but it depends on the cooling solution. This turbo boost can use more of the thermal budget than the ideal heat/work ratio. This will cause less work for a targeted temperature margin. A quick indication that the maximum frequency is too high is that the Windows Task Manager reports a CPU speed much lower than the maximum frequency. The best indicator is the Cinebench score at your target CPU temperature. The best PC motherboard fan curves will remove the heat with the minimum air flow. This will make less dust and noise. By adjusting the fan curves and maximum frequency the curve should look similar to the table below. CPU C 40 50 60 70 80 90 94 Fan % 0 10 15 40 70 90 100 The number, size of the fans, and fan speed of the fans that help remove air (exhaust) should be sized to maintain positive pressure in the PC case from filtered air.
Thanks for sharing that info. I am building a computer for myself (graphics work, Photoshop mainly) and I can't seem to find the most simple item of them all: a good CASE! I'm looking for a case with 5.25" drives because I have 2 Blu-ray drives. And I have 6 HDDs. And I've looked at MANY cases and the ones that had optical drive bays did not have a good airflow. Can you recommend a good case for me? Thank you.
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@@Alex_Greu_de_gasit I am currently building my new workstation for LR and PS. I have hot swap HDD slot in 5,25, 6+HDD's, so the only case suited my needs was Fractal Define 7 XL. I have a regular size Fractal define r5 for a 7 years, so it kinda nice to upgrade to bigger brother :)
@ Thanks for sharing. I was just looking at Fractal cases. I don't like the HDD trays on the R6 or 7 XL, they look flimsy and they're not firmly fixed - I think they will vibrate. I like the way they are in the R5 case, they are fixed on all 4 corners, if you understand what I mean. One question, please: are the HDD trays of the R5 case made of plastic or metal? Thanks!
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@@Alex_Greu_de_gasit they are metal. I am interested if they could fit in define 7 :))
I'm wondering if water cooling your die directly and also watercooling your 4090 will improve your experience. Thermal throttling isn't good for work PC. I always enjoy your content
If you have that sort of usage, surely you would be better off switching to Threadripper Pro, Epyc, or Xeon W? You have more cores available, more RAM available, and more PCIe lanes for more M.2 cards, even second GPUs.
possibly, but the price increase is significant. Also adobe stuff isn't always well optimized for multithreading. A year ago the 12900K beat every single threadripper and xeon on the market (speed over cores is more useful) for live playback and overall was at the top of charts for everything but export. The extra cores help with the export, but like he said if he can still edit while the exports run in the background, it's not much of an issue anymore. The 13900K is a huge step up from the 12900K so it's probably even more favorable. I was really looking forward to building a Ryzen PC this year, but Intel's optimizations with video editing are huge differences, and the software still benefits from core clock more than core count.
Im running 7200 90gb ddr5 I have never crashed. The secret is sanding down the ihs and fixing the mounting pressure on the cpu removing the ram heat sinks. My ram never goes above 34c and my i9 13900k is 38c -41c max all custom water cooled.
in order to get your ram sticks running at the rated speeds you need to do some tuning. you can mess with vccsa, vccio, dram voltage and cpu core voltage. i guarantee you can get your ram running properly and even tune it. i run a 13900k w ddr4 b-die copmpletely tuned. my ram is 4133 c16. when running an intel system its in your best interest to learn how to oc and tune your memory. otherwise you are leaving alot of perf on the table. i personally have never had explorer crash on me ever. i do get a very seldom not responding but i wait a few seconds and it works again. it has never outright just crashed though. to get the best perf using ddr5 you should be using hynix a-die sticks just so you know. im currently trying to teach myself to make and edit youtube videos. i have alot to learn needless to say lol.
I used to have a very similar problem that you describe, but with an external ssd. I made all kinds of tests and nothing seemed to be wrong with the drive, but it did continuesly make explorer crash and also freeze for a few seconds. It only happened sometimes though. I realised it was the drive when I finally had the same issue on a different computer, using that drive.
Question, is your PCIE saturated. So when exporting to specific drives or multiple drives, you lose your PCIE bandwidth. Also taking in account USB controller
Man, for such a crazy machine I was sure it would be nothing but smooth sailing. Sorry for all the issues brother. I hope you get to resolve them soon. If you could go back, is there anything you would have done differently?
I feel like the crazier your rig is the less reliable it is lol. Probably a bleeding edge tech issue. I think getting a generation old GPU and CPU is probably best, hell I dont even want to touch DDR5 yet I mean i have DDR5 in my ASUS G14 but not sure I want to experiment with it in a desktp yet
@@godwin_njoroge I’ve got a 3900X, 3060Ti and 32GBs of DDR4 and it runs like a dream so I think you’ll be happy with those parts! :) I don’t edit video as much but I imagine the 12GBs of vram on the 3060 is a bit better than the 8GBs on the 3060Ti even if it’s a lot more powerful.
for the intermittent black screen issue, I had the same issue when I got my 3080 and it stopped after I reseated the GPU and got an anti-sag bracket to be sure; following that, never had the issue.
You correctly identified memory stability issues. However, do you restart your PC? That is an issue which can easily be fixed by properly powering down your pc after work. Then you can push your RAM more by increasing frequency slightly and running day long memory stability benchmarks/tests.
So I don't think your issues are something you are doing, as I have a very similar system (Pro Art, 128Gb Kinston Ram and such) and my browser/explorer randomly crash. I thought the issue was bad, so I recently tore it all down and checked everything part by part. Did a clean install, and still have the same issue. I also get the random Black screen. As such, I am really glad you mentioned these issues, as I was thinking I had a lemon! Thanks ever so much!
Love he detailed content provided here thank you & the team. Would love to know more about your premier workflow and how you set things up as i just switched from Vegas to Premiere and Vegas does seem more intuitive when it comes the the timeline workflow.
There are problems with display stream compression on Nvidia cards. They manifest as video dropouts. Depending on the monitor it can be just a split second, but it can be more severe than that. Basically - DSC+Adaptive Sync = blackouts. Good thing they put display port 2.1 ports on those 40 series cards that can actually do 4k beyond 120FPS... (I'm being sarcastic here, you only get DP2.1 on AMD at the moment.)🙃 But it's not like there are many DP2.1 capable monitors out there either. Bit of a crap shoot.
For your explorer hang (it's more of a hang than a crash) I would recommend to deactivate the windows files indexer cause you move high amounts of data and it can only index them by small bits and it's limited in that regard so it creates a long chain of wait which will result in the symptoms you are describing another thing you could do is rebuilding the indexer if it doesn't work as a last resort you can deactivate the whole windows search from services
The stability of your XMP is clearly meant for two sticks, not two sets. Also not all RAM is the same; Hynix A-die for Intel and M-die more for AMD. So if your kit was meant for AMD Then it won't work as well on an Intel CPU. I'm combining two sets of the same RAM using the XMP I went from DDR5 6800 to DDR5 6600 and then ran Memtest overnight. CPU-Z JJU8GT The RTX 4090 through the Nvidia control panel allows for you to enable error correction which is something that I would recommend trying and certainly benchmarking for comparison. Might actually be a good video topic. Knock on wood, I've never had a Windows crash and I pushed the crap out of my i9-13900K PC. I've had App crashes which is a completely different thing. I don't understand in your case because I know that you have workstation Intel CPUs so why the consumer grade CPU?
.. Regarding the temperatures, by default it will overheat the CPU unnecessarily. To avoid this you have two choices: 1. In the BIOS run your motherboards temperature configuration fan speed calibration; 2. Run a Windows App that's monitoring the CPU temperature and fan calibration.
.. M.2 .. I would first start reading the manual and look carefully at how PCIe lanes are being shared on your MOBO. Use GPT and not MBR and personally I'm running Intel RST RAID and that requires a reinstallation of Windows where you need to inject the driver prior to installing windows. My ASUS utilizes a DDR4 DIMM.2 for my RAID 1 M.2s and it has been as solid as a rock and I do a lot of data transfers.
Explorer crashing = I can't offer a solution, but I do believe it's a MS thing. Could be security, could just be OS. Windows is so absurdly massive it's a wonder it's as stable/dependable as it is. You never know ... after the next update you might not ever have a blk screen again.
I've had Win explorer crash on every PC I used and built the past few years. W10 and 11. Just do anything medium heavy on file copy/move, opening a drive/folder with a lot of files and it chokes. From what I hear, this is 'normal' for Windows nowadays. I.e. it's a bug but Microsoft is more interested in creating useless new features than actually fixing their sh!t. I've started moving some machines to Linux where possible, works like a charm. Just doesn't run Adobe stuff very well 😅
Hey Tech Notice, love your vids. 21:20 you might wanna check out Tech YES City's video on Intel 12th (and 13th) gen and it's heavy latency problems which might be causing those Explorer crashes.
Thank you for the video. Admittedly just concentrated on the hardware usage review bits of the video. Tried Premier; but its not premier nor premium. Sticking to Da Vinci Resolve. As to the "video editing industry" mentioned below, I believe its just a matter of time before the "industry" wakes up. Its only because Premier was earlier to market and was able to get everyone captured in its workflow system. Am not a fanboy by any definition by the way, so dont get your blood pressure up.
I have built a TrueNAS Scale server and I'm about to use its VM to install Davinci Resolve (free), under Linux and render out my projects via a Quadro headless graphics card. Only advised for Intel platform (QuickSync). Still reading lots of trusted text, and some RUclips videos to make sure. It is very quick to edit off the server (10GBe, 850 MBytes/sec). Once a project is saved, it would be a shame to have all that horse power unused, and doing Deliveries (rendering out) this way makes use of a powerful machine. Then I can get back to work on my Workstation.
We have a few different systems with 13900K"s and explorer freezes also from time to time on all of them. Our systems are MSI based. Must be a Windows thing.
When you said even your new PC crashed, then said you use Premiere, it's most likely Premiere. I'd love to see you do a comparison video between Premiere and Resolve (first with the free version, then the paid version). BTW, I used Premiere since Adobe was still sending out install discs... BTW, saying you want to give credit to Adobe because it crashes LESS than before made me laugh. That's like saying "Well he kept punching me, but at least he quit kicking me....."
I also use 128 GB DDR 5 ram, most probably those blue screens are cause of XMP profile on ram. When dropped XMP profile all goes smooth, zero blue screens. Same story goes with new 96+64GB ram
Completely populating all of the 4 RAM slots and turning on XMP is not a wise choice. Unfortunately, DDR4/5 isn't like DDR3, memory manufacturers cut cost in NOT validating XMP via 4 RAM slots, because consumer normally uses 2 RAM slots via XMP. Learned my lesson back when my 6700K was around, did light VM, and video rendering and all 4 slots are populated to 32GB with XMP turn on. Got BSOD from those issue, but not gaming (maybe those 3A games). Turned off XMP, and everything works fine.
I’ve had the same stability issues with 128gb 2 dimms per channel config with my z790 tuf gaming+13700k+corsair vengeance ddr4. It becomes much more stable at lower speeds (2666) but it can still crash. I guess at that amount of RAM true ECC plus registered dimms are needed. Still, way cheaper than a workstation config so worth it. On the ssd size, I’ve never had explorer crash even though I use 2 2tb corsair gen4 in raid 0 via storage spaces and I move a lot of data back and forth other 2 nvmes (gen 3 and 4).
@TechNotice Really like this review thank you. Do you think the i9 13900k outperforms the Ryzen 7950x in UE5 and Blender in real world tests? Also, on either platform will air-cooling work or is liquid a must?
In UE5 it really won't matter much. I believe AMD pulls a little ahead sometimes and Intel at others if I remember correctly. Unreal and the Unreal Editor has for the last 15+ years it has been around always had issues with scaling when it comes to more cores, so as long as you have 8 cores you will be fine it won't use much over that. It has never been setup to scale much over the industry standard at the time. I would really worry more about your having a solid GPU in this case. Blender does tend to favor just the raw core setup of AMD a little more I believe.
I’m a little confused why you would recommend the solidigm for a cache drive? It only has 750 tbw! The kc3000 2tb has 1.6ptw The purpose of the cache is that it keeps rewriting itself over and over and over so it wears out faster. Solidigm is absolute garbage. I think you just played yourself.
Now, we have to check usb-c list of supported devices(thunderbolt version, normal usb devices ), and to check motherboard connector for front panel, sometimes you have good case with usb 3.2 gen 2 but motherboard doesn't give that option or the other way around nightmare.
When i open a folder with some large video file plus lots of other files, it sometimes gets stuck. A workaround i found is, ending the process, disabling the Navigation pane from view menu while in a different folder, going in and moving the offending files to a sub directory and then re-enabling the navigation. This happens on my 12th gen intel laptop and not on 7950x desktop. I thought it was a quirk of the laptop but if the fix works for you, it might be something about the platform... Also DDR5 on AMD is a massive pain in the back in general. Even with 64 gigs. It works most of the time but there are these annoying little stuff. it's not significant enough to just dump the system off, so i just bear with it and hope for a bios update that fixes my issues while not creating new ones.
I run 4 sticks at 7600mhz, but I also bought a proper 4 dimm set from corsair and tuned the ram timings and voltage instead of just turning the frequency down...
My 6 year old i7 7700k with 32gb of ram works great with 4k - rarely crashes. So I'm wondering if I should indeed upgrade to an i9 13900 job like yours that might crash all the time.
Regarding 4 stick speed, perhaps its possible to get high speed when using something like gear 4? This is something similar to recent AMD update to allow running the memory controller at 1:4.
I also have the same issue with the screen going blank once in a while. It happens randomly, but more often when switching from idle to a more gpu-intensive app or task. A driver update from nVidia didn't help. By the way, what speakers are you using? Looks like an Edifier--which model?
Hi there I am still unsure of which cpu to go for the Ryzen 9 5900X way out of my budget, just wondering is the Ryzen 7 5700X cpu will be enough for 4K content creation - as in using After effects and color grading, photoshop and light room?
Have you had any of the latency issues associated with the 12/13 gen ? Brian from Tech yes city has done several videos on this especially on premier when editing.
This is going to be an "issue" from this point forward from all future CPU launches from AMD and Intel. The last ring bus CPU architecture from Intel was 10th/11th gen and that is when you had memory latencies below 30ns (if you had 4400MT or higher memory). When the memory industry can push DDR5 speeds of 10000MT with timings around 40CL or lower, that is when the memory latencies will hit 40ns or lower. By that time, we will be looking at DDR6 and the cycle will start over.
Do you know on which computer I edit videos and work in Photoshop? What you need to install and can I use this processor : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz 2.66GHz NVIDIA Quadro K620 Graphics Processor RAM 8 GB The adjustment layer is primitive, the premier pro has a color comparison of each frame and this partially solves the problem Your videos are not adjusted in color balance and are all yellow, as if you are from China
As a creator (never play games) What is the most cost effective GPU match for a i9 13900K PC. (I am doing video editing and photo work. Three 4k 32” displays).
Cost efficient, diminishing return… Have top notch memory and m.2 ssd. But how good gpu do I need, when gaming is not in focus? Isn’t the i9 13900K handling much of my graphic needs when doing photo and video editing?
first of all i loved the video it was really good deep dive to the PC and to PP however there is a cooling solution for 13900k it is the MASTERLIQUID ML360 SUB-ZERO or you can take the EVO version which is even more powerful than the original. it is a real shame that asus kinda diss the proart brand with no caring for the actual utilities and/or power for the products
Tech notice, ae you planning on doing a review on the framework 16 laptop when it ships? I am getting one with the R9 processor and no dgpu rn because money is tight.
Has anyone found a solution for getting the max speeds of the ram? So we dont have to bring them down? Also has anyone solved the type C not working issue
the ultimate add on would be a second rtx 4090 card ^^ and right now nvidea offers workstation cpus that come with over 30 cores and u can have 2 of them on a dual socket mainboard. So workstation wise there is many headroom. especially if u decide to switch from an rtx card to nvideas workstation cards. many editing programs can use a second card as hardware accelerator.
I don't think nVIDIA makes workstation CPUs. Right now we can only pray that Intel and AMD HEDT platforms become readily available and at a reasonable price.
Nvidia's ARM CPUs are exclusively for server use. RTX 4090 is already so overpowered that adding a second card would lead to diminishing returns just like gaming, unless you're doing a super hard to render 3D animation.
@@dy729656 core Xeon W9 3495X can be used in workstations. its not just for servers.^^ and i indeed saw a video where a guy had a 90% speed scaling when he added a 2nd rtx 4090 (or 4080 cant remember) to his workstation. So it was like 5 seconds instead of 9 seconds for rendering and vise versa for longer 10 minute renders. These mashines with 30+ cores and duo or even quad gpus are used as workstations when doing anime movies and other crazy stuff.
@@dy7296 i just saw tech notice building something similar but with a threadripper: REVEALED 👉 World's MOST POWERFUL Creator PC! | AMD 5995wx + 3x RTX 4090 Workstation [OPPENHEIMER PC at 54:20 he names a couple of those applications that make use of every GPU. and those anime studios and other render maniacs even use dual socket mainboards^^ if i remember correctly linus tech tips had one of those render PCs with duo cpu and quad rtx 3090
Man You got lucky that you were able to boot into Windows and do stuff back with my i7 4790K system once I upgraded to 32GB of RAM from 16 I would get BSODs right after Windows boots into the welcome screen but after I upped the voltage of the RAM which was DDR3 which has a stock voltage of 1.5V and upped it to 1.65V and it solved it or I lowered the frequency of the ram from 2133 MT/s to 2000 and it worked. Yeah By adding 2 more sticks of RAM from 2 to 4 it puts more strain on the memory controller. So you could adjust the voltage of the RAM to make stable at 5600 MT/s but who knows how much voltage you need in order for that to be stable so you did the right thing by lowering the frequency to 5000 MT/s. That sucks that you are having issues with Premiere Pro.
I've been having the same issue with the file explorer crashing on Windows10. It seems to happen when I have many file explorer windows open, so I've been reducing the number of them that I have open simultaneously. This is definitely suboptimal and I was hoping Windows11 would be more stable.
make sure it's opening file explorer windows as separate processes. That will probably fix your issue if all your windows are opened up under one process can overload memory management.
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Not an Adobe hater, as I use and love Photoshop and Lightroom Classic. But Premier is just a hard no. So tired of all the crashes, and troubleshooting, and workarounds, and the making of excuses. Just take a bit of time and learn to use Resolve. It’s more stable and at this point is so much more powerful, feature rich, and continuously improved, that it’s become the biggest no brainer. Add to that the one time cost and the exploding plugins, ecosystem, tutorials and support……. It’s time folks.
Same here, just can't get behind Premier. I'm not hardcore video editing but I haven't had any issues with Resolve the times I have had to do actual editing work outside of still images. Premier, just can't get into it.
Professional video editor here - if you’re having constant issues with prem on the latest version, it’s likely something you’ve done. Prem is pretty stable these days.
Resolve is only a no brainer if you don’t want to work with other agencies/production companies, as the industry is still massively dominated by Avid and Prem.
@@TomMorterLaing Oh. totally agree with that. If you are a true Pro, and you have to work with the other agencies, then you have to do what you have to do. I think this will change over time. but these industries move more slowly and deliberately. For 90 percent of the actual user volume of these apps though, Premier Pro is on the right side of its product use and growth curve. As it should be. Because other products such as Resolve for that large group of users is better for them
@@RockyColaFizz Agree. At the end of the day just use whatever you feel most comfortable with.
Same here. I got tired of all the crashes and crap for $50/month. I just went to DaVinci resolve and never looked back and happier
For a pc that needs that much performance I would definitely use the Thermalright contact frame on the intel CPU. If you haven't used it. The bottleneck is the IHS itself and that's partly because it bends away from the cold plate in the middle. Lower temps means less power consumption and/or more performance
I have the contact frame installed. Temperatures are fine without thermal throttling. So that not the problem.
I have been using Premiere Pro for 4+ years, I have never had even one crash. I work with 1080 and 2.5k video, multiple tracks, effects, text, etc. At least 1 to 2 videos per week.
i7-6950X 10C 20T, ASUS ROG STRIX X99, 64GB DDR4-2666 (4*16), ASUS TUF RTX-2060, WD Black SN770. I never overclock anything. Never any Windows File Explorer crashes either.
I use my big workstation for other tasks, Xeon W7-2495X 24C 48T, ASUS Pro WS W790 ACE, 512GB DDR5-4800 ECC RDIMM, ASUS ROG STRIX RTX-3090 OC 24GB, WD SN850X 4TB, etc.
5:40 an entire VIDEO on codecs and this quick sync and other things would probably be wildly helpful to me. I'm a designer of 11 years and do motion work but it feels like perhaps i'm choosing the wrong rendering options and could be setup for easier editing, rendering and uploading. You're the guy to educate us on it, i know that! :)
The only reasonable thing to do is to build a R9 7950X rig since it would be obvious that upgrading from a 5950X to a 13900K is moving to a newer gen and DDR5. The Ryzen R9 7950X doesn't have Quicksync because that Intel proprietary but it does have AVX512. I really don't care what people use but you should make equitable comparison since your moving to different platform anyway.
Hello, I based my new build on your recommendations and I'm really happy with the performance in Premiere! I bought the Asus ProArt (same MB as yours), 13900k, RTX 4080 and 64 gigs of ram. You stated that your Thunderbolt 4 does not read your USB-C devises but mine does. I have my Corsair monitor (Corsair XENEON 32QHD240 32" WQHD) connected to one TB4 and a SanDisk 1TB Extreme Portable External SSD, 550MB/s read/write to the other. I ran a Blackmagic speed test on the ScanDisk and I got about 520 read/write. When I built my system I downloaded the latest BIOS and installed Intel's TB4 drivers. Works perfectly for me! I really enjoy your RUclips channel and keep up the great work!
The tips that are taken from your experience and published for free are really useful and valuable for me. I wish there was a platform so that I could ask you basic questions and get guidance.
I love your channel. I have an I7-111700, 64GB DDR 2666 MEMORY, RTX 4070 Ti - very happy with my system!
10:38 premiere cheats by changing output settings when using Intel Quick Sync, instead of the default VBR pass 2, it switches to just 1 pass making it export faster but this lowers video quality and larger file sizes. nobody wants to spend thousands in cameras and lightings to improve video quality then later to be lowered during export, some content creators even use software encoding for maximum quality. most youtubers dont even use quick sync in their benchmarks due to this issue it is not that they are not aware of quick sync. puget also mentioned this issue and suggested increasing the bitrate to compensate for the decrease in quality, it might solve the issue in quality but not the file size, this will also make the export longer might as well not use quick sync during export. if youre making a comparison to AMD, you should adjust the settings to VBR 1 pass as well or not use quick at all. pardon my english.
I thought I noticed this happening....
@technotice the sudden black screen you talk about at 18:22 is most likely caused by G-Sync, Disable it in Nvidia Control Panel and the issue should be fixed. ive had the same issue on my PC. Love the videos keep it up
You can turn it back on actually. The problem should fix itself as the GPU reinitializes the display properly with Gsync.
14:33 try undervolting, it works for me, never hit any thermal anylonger, enable multicore enhancement, limit by 100 degree and something like 30 to 80 mV, i think i have 50mV - max temp i normally reach in benchmarks 91. The issue is that when it hits a thermal limit, it cooles down (=loose performance) and then ramps up, with undervolting (or extrem good cooling) you keep the temperature cooler in the beginng and never loose performance - because no penalty from thermal
Custom loop and an EK 360mm x 60mm Xtreme rad with Noctua 'Industrial' fans will handle 350W at just under 100C at full synthetic benchmark load. I'm running a custom overclock with 2 x 6GHz, 4 x 5.8GHz and all 8 P Cores at 5.7GHz on an SP 96 13900K. Asus ROG Z790 Hero motherboard. Will go direct die when I upgrade by dropping in a 14900KS next February 🙂. Go custom loop!
The explorer crashing is from having 4 NVME and 4 Sticks of RAM maxing the shared throughput on that proart board. Recommend you just go with 2 48gb sticks of the faster teamgroup ram. It's why all the z790 boards that have 5 nvme's, one of them is on PCIe5.
I think would be better to go with a 96gb kit ( 2x48) 6400 CL32, if you dont mind the gap from 128gb. its easier for the IMC to run 2 high density sticks, at these speeds, then to run 4 sticks.
Yeah exactly that's what I was thinking. Ironically enough this is where an overclocking board specifically the z790 tachyon as it has igpu support would be by far the best because while in 16 and 24gb dimms they run a little faster, they also suffer so much less speed regression with dual rank dimms being ur 32gb and 48gb dimms. I really would not be so sure his current board could run dual rank dimms at 6400
@@Frozoken i'm running 96gb g.skill 6800mhz cl34 kit on the same asus proart z790 creator wifi motherboard with no hiccups or crashes. The xmp is stable. Using it everyday since september last year when i built this pc.
Just saw a video on the black screen drop out you mentioned. It has to do with the power pins on the 4090. IF the sensor pin breaks contact, video will just shut off. If it isn't making contact at start up, the machine will either default to your on-board video or not power up at all. Check your pin holders to make sure they are all making proper contact. In the future, there is supposed to be a swap over to a different type of pin connector to prevent this.
Not sure if the stability comparison is valid unless you had 128GB on the AMD system. Other wise you're leaving an important variable out.
The thing about the rendering and editing was a really great find, but I wonder at 64GB of ram what it would be like, as the editor and renderer would be competing for ram. Would be interesting if you could try it so people would know if they have to go to 128GB to take full advantage of the editing while rendering.
yea AMD's memory controller setup is notoriously picky with high-speed ram, and the problem only gets worse with all slots populated with high density sticks.
There's plenty of published data for this so I don't think it's necessary to make a direct comparison to reach a general evaluation, but ofc it would always be great to know before making any decisive conclusions.
Well if he had less stability on the AMD system while running less capacity vs this system with more capacity, we can probably conclude the AMD system won't do any better in this category if we added more RAM to it.
@@dukejukem8843 So your saying running 64 GB on thea AMD system that's unstable can't be solved by going to 128 like he did on the intel system? And what do you base that assumption on when it worked for the intel system? As for the 4 sticks of ram on AMD not being stable he mentioned in his reply. Currently running 4 sticks of 16GB and have no issues with stability, but I'm also running Resolve instead of PP.
Concerning Microsoft explorer crashes and system latency, the RUclipsr Tech Yes City has done a few videos on the issue. He had spoken to some industry experts during Computex 2023, and they attribute the cause of the issue to the position of the memory controller. For previous Intel generations, the memory controller was on the motherboard. However, for the 12th and 13th gen Intel processors, the memory controller is on the CPU itself. Interestingly, he went back to Intel 10th gen and is happy with the responsiveness and stability of his system. Yet, I'm not sure how this possible solution will impact your workflow and content output. Love your content, keep up the good work, and I hope that this helps!
wtf you talking about? ever since Nehalem the IMC is inside the CPU
How can the IMC be on the motherboard?
I apologize if I'm referring to the wrong controller. But I did notice that the same issue has been experienced by Tech YES City. I only wanted to give a possible cause and solution...that's all.
@@TheQuiescentGamer maybe you confuse the fact that ddr5, unlike ddr4, now has the voltage regulator, PMIC, directly on the dimms, and not on the mobo. uses 5V from MB, to convert to usable voltage, i.e. 1.4v. Memory controller, has been integrated into the Cpu, since the elimination of the "northbridge" on the motherboard, with the first generation i3, i5, i7
@@TheQuiescentGamer The Tech Yes City videos were about the IO die and IO latency
i think the performance is good on intel 'cause of the IPC / P-E cores(thread director) and AVX2 instructions (SIMD instructions that is used for encoding/transcoding / emulator and many others)
amd is "brand new" on avx2 and i dono if zen3 have a fully avx2 and not an emulation.
some CPUs with avx512 can get a +-30% increase in this type of task
Motherboard and Ram configuration/compatibility is so important.
I'll recommend that you upgrade your cooling solutions, it might be the true saver you need 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤
I am running 128GB DDR5 RAM (4 sticks) on a Z690 motherboard at 5400 Mhz instead of the advertised 5600 Mhz. Get BSOD and refusal to boot when running at 5600 Mhz. And yes, configured for XMP2.
Must have good IMC and SP value ;)
Yea, I use the 10/20gb ports on the back with cables running to the front to plug into.
Pleasant watching exp and naration. subbed! :)
always love seeing different builds.❤
Pro video editor, I’ve found premiere hates working with raw footage, it’s a what seems to crash it the most. Even on a god tier machine most pro shops will use proxies. It massively helps stability. know for RUclips it’s about fast turn around so I get it. I use avid most of the time now, but sometimes premiere comes up and usually it’s using proxies. Cheers. Great videos
You might want to tweak Microsoft defender. I could easily see it getting hung up when trying to virus/malware scan terabytes of data. Other things to look into would be clearing the file explorer history and checking permissions if it's specific folders. Indexing is also a huge resource hog that can cause stability issues. Also I think it's on by default but make sure file explorer windows are opening up as separate processes.
Really useful video! Thank you. BTW - you might look at your color correction. I assume you're not jaundiced AND sunburned.
Lol, yeah that lut is meant for winter when I haven't been in the sun lol!
the explorer crashes often bcs of the cpu itself , the 12th and 13th gen have some latency issues , they especially show up if u move files around the explorer or u alt tab fast , sometimes some of the apps won't appear on the alt tab select thingy in windows until u wait like a sec
Did you install the thunderbolt driver from asus or did you just use the windows update version and intel app? I had some strange results from my msi thunderbolt add in card until I installed the updated drivers. It’s states it was thunderbolt 3 but I never did any in-depth testing. But now it reports correctly and works great on all usbc and thunderbolt devices. The most annoying thing with the pro art is they make you use a patch cable to pass the video through thunderbolt (same as the msi add-in card) there must be a better way.
What patch cable is this, I didn’t know that was a thing
@@only_foundthat cable comes with the motherboard when you buy it. It's in the box.
I got my thunderbolt ports working with other usb devices after the update of the drivers from asus.
I have been building computers for an AI developer who works from home in an area with slow internet service. While coding can be done on a laptop, testing is done on a PC that I assembled with a 13900k CPU held down by a Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame and cooled by a Noctua NH-U12a and a 4090 GPU. With FurMark running on the GPU, the CPU was under 90 C while running Cinebench R23 doing a 30 minute stress test in a 25 C ambient. The multi thread score was just over 38000.
Intel XTU makes getting the most out of CPU lottery and cooling solution a lot more time efficient. Cooling solutions also need to be efficient over time. Dust decreases the cooling efficiency and dust increases with fan speed (air flow). Dust will accumulate exponentially with time. This means that an initial temperature margin, e.g. 90C, will be needed to compensate for the inevitable accumulation of dust.
CPU temperature will increase exponentially with frequency. The CPU and its bios will use a higher frequency and voltage (turbo boost) on a core if the temperature and voltage and maximum frequency will allow. This seems like a good idea but it depends on the cooling solution. This turbo boost can use more of the thermal budget than the ideal heat/work ratio. This will cause less work for a targeted temperature margin. A quick indication that the maximum frequency is too high is that the Windows Task Manager reports a CPU speed much lower than the maximum frequency. The best indicator is the Cinebench score at your target CPU temperature.
The best PC motherboard fan curves will remove the heat with the minimum air flow. This will make less dust and noise. By adjusting the fan curves and maximum frequency the curve should look similar to the table below.
CPU C 40 50 60 70 80 90 94
Fan % 0 10 15 40 70 90 100
The number, size of the fans, and fan speed of the fans that help remove air (exhaust) should be sized to maintain positive pressure in the PC case from filtered air.
Thanks for sharing that info. I am building a computer for myself (graphics work, Photoshop mainly) and I can't seem to find the most simple item of them all: a good CASE! I'm looking for a case with 5.25" drives because I have 2 Blu-ray drives. And I have 6 HDDs. And I've looked at MANY cases and the ones that had optical drive bays did not have a good airflow. Can you recommend a good case for me? Thank you.
@@Alex_Greu_de_gasit I am currently building my new workstation for LR and PS. I have hot swap HDD slot in 5,25, 6+HDD's, so the only case suited my needs was Fractal Define 7 XL. I have a regular size Fractal define r5 for a 7 years, so it kinda nice to upgrade to bigger brother :)
@ Thanks for sharing. I was just looking at Fractal cases. I don't like the HDD trays on the R6 or 7 XL, they look flimsy and they're not firmly fixed - I think they will vibrate. I like the way they are in the R5 case, they are fixed on all 4 corners, if you understand what I mean. One question, please: are the HDD trays of the R5 case made of plastic or metal? Thanks!
@@Alex_Greu_de_gasit they are metal. I am interested if they could fit in define 7 :))
I'm wondering if water cooling your die directly and also watercooling your 4090 will improve your experience.
Thermal throttling isn't good for work PC.
I always enjoy your content
Have to limit power usage in the bios and/or undervolt. More cooling will just cause it to run right back up to max without additional settings.
Why not 192GBs of ram?
You are the best! Thank you so much for creator friendly reviews as always. Huge thanks from Canada.
USB c Pcie card for more ports, would love to see an review on those cards.
If you have that sort of usage, surely you would be better off switching to Threadripper Pro, Epyc, or Xeon W? You have more cores available, more RAM available, and more PCIe lanes for more M.2 cards, even second GPUs.
possibly, but the price increase is significant. Also adobe stuff isn't always well optimized for multithreading. A year ago the 12900K beat every single threadripper and xeon on the market (speed over cores is more useful) for live playback and overall was at the top of charts for everything but export. The extra cores help with the export, but like he said if he can still edit while the exports run in the background, it's not much of an issue anymore. The 13900K is a huge step up from the 12900K so it's probably even more favorable. I was really looking forward to building a Ryzen PC this year, but Intel's optimizations with video editing are huge differences, and the software still benefits from core clock more than core count.
Im running 7200 90gb ddr5 I have never crashed. The secret is sanding down the ihs and fixing the mounting pressure on the cpu removing the ram heat sinks. My ram never goes above 34c and my i9 13900k is 38c -41c max all custom water cooled.
in order to get your ram sticks running at the rated speeds you need to do some tuning. you can mess with vccsa, vccio, dram voltage and cpu core voltage. i guarantee you can get your ram running properly and even tune it. i run a 13900k w ddr4 b-die copmpletely tuned. my ram is 4133 c16. when running an intel system its in your best interest to learn how to oc and tune your memory. otherwise you are leaving alot of perf on the table. i personally have never had explorer crash on me ever. i do get a very seldom not responding but i wait a few seconds and it works again. it has never outright just crashed though. to get the best perf using ddr5 you should be using hynix a-die sticks just so you know. im currently trying to teach myself to make and edit youtube videos. i have alot to learn needless to say lol.
I used to have a very similar problem that you describe, but with an external ssd. I made all kinds of tests and nothing seemed to be wrong with the drive, but it did continuesly make explorer crash and also freeze for a few seconds. It only happened sometimes though. I realised it was the drive when I finally had the same issue on a different computer, using that drive.
Question, is your PCIE saturated. So when exporting to specific drives or multiple drives, you lose your PCIE bandwidth. Also taking in account USB controller
this is the right answer.
Man, for such a crazy machine I was sure it would be nothing but smooth sailing. Sorry for all the issues brother. I hope you get to resolve them soon. If you could go back, is there anything you would have done differently?
I feel like the crazier your rig is the less reliable it is lol. Probably a bleeding edge tech issue. I think getting a generation old GPU and CPU is probably best, hell I dont even want to touch DDR5 yet I mean i have DDR5 in my ASUS G14 but not sure I want to experiment with it in a desktp yet
@@nateo200 Yeah? So eye-opening. I've been saving up to build a new rig for 4k video editing. I think I'll stick with the 13600k, a 3060 and DDR4
@@godwin_njoroge I’ve got a 3900X, 3060Ti and 32GBs of DDR4 and it runs like a dream so I think you’ll be happy with those parts! :) I don’t edit video as much but I imagine the 12GBs of vram on the 3060 is a bit better than the 8GBs on the 3060Ti even if it’s a lot more powerful.
@@godwin_njoroge I will say that my laptops DDR5 RAM is very fast especially when using integrated graphics it’s like 1.5x faster IIRC than DDR4
@@nateo200 your machine sounds like it's a beast man! I'm sold. Once I build it I'll post back with my experience.
for the intermittent black screen issue, I had the same issue when I got my 3080 and it stopped after I reseated the GPU and got an anti-sag bracket to be sure; following that, never had the issue.
If your 420mm cooler isn't able to stop 253 W from thermal throttling you might want to check your paste...
I have that PC ordered. GPU arrives tomorrow. I will not manage workflow as you are.
I wish you show the fans setup.
Great videos.
You correctly identified memory stability issues. However, do you restart your PC? That is an issue which can easily be fixed by properly powering down your pc after work. Then you can push your RAM more by increasing frequency slightly and running day long memory stability benchmarks/tests.
So I don't think your issues are something you are doing, as I have a very similar system (Pro Art, 128Gb Kinston Ram and such) and my browser/explorer randomly crash. I thought the issue was bad, so I recently tore it all down and checked everything part by part. Did a clean install, and still have the same issue. I also get the random Black screen. As such, I am really glad you mentioned these issues, as I was thinking I had a lemon! Thanks ever so much!
Love he detailed content provided here thank you & the team. Would love to know more about your premier workflow and how you set things up as i just switched from Vegas to Premiere and Vegas does seem more intuitive when it comes the the timeline workflow.
Run please run
18:25 me litreally thought my PC got problems. Very well edited dude
1. did you try re-installing windows 2. did you map the scratch disc to a seperate dive 3. did you try bleach bit
There are problems with display stream compression on Nvidia cards. They manifest as video dropouts. Depending on the monitor it can be just a split second, but it can be more severe than that. Basically - DSC+Adaptive Sync = blackouts. Good thing they put display port 2.1 ports on those 40 series cards that can actually do 4k beyond 120FPS... (I'm being sarcastic here, you only get DP2.1 on AMD at the moment.)🙃 But it's not like there are many DP2.1 capable monitors out there either. Bit of a crap shoot.
Great video as always!
I love your videos! Can you make a video on the perfect BIOS settings on your Asus Pro Art?
YES, PLEASE!
For your explorer hang (it's more of a hang than a crash) I would recommend to deactivate the windows files indexer cause you move high amounts of data and it can only index them by small bits and it's limited in that regard so it creates a long chain of wait which will result in the symptoms you are describing another thing you could do is rebuilding the indexer if it doesn't work as a last resort you can deactivate the whole windows search from services
The stability of your XMP is clearly meant for two sticks, not two sets. Also not all RAM is the same; Hynix A-die for Intel and M-die more for AMD. So if your kit was meant for AMD Then it won't work as well on an Intel CPU. I'm combining two sets of the same RAM using the XMP I went from DDR5 6800 to DDR5 6600 and then ran Memtest overnight. CPU-Z JJU8GT
The RTX 4090 through the Nvidia control panel allows for you to enable error correction which is something that I would recommend trying and certainly benchmarking for comparison. Might actually be a good video topic.
Knock on wood, I've never had a Windows crash and I pushed the crap out of my i9-13900K PC. I've had App crashes which is a completely different thing. I don't understand in your case because I know that you have workstation Intel CPUs so why the consumer grade CPU?
.. Regarding the temperatures, by default it will overheat the CPU unnecessarily. To avoid this you have two choices: 1. In the BIOS run your motherboards temperature configuration fan speed calibration; 2. Run a Windows App that's monitoring the CPU temperature and fan calibration.
.. M.2 .. I would first start reading the manual and look carefully at how PCIe lanes are being shared on your MOBO. Use GPT and not MBR and personally I'm running Intel RST RAID and that requires a reinstallation of Windows where you need to inject the driver prior to installing windows. My ASUS utilizes a DDR4 DIMM.2 for my RAID 1 M.2s and it has been as solid as a rock and I do a lot of data transfers.
Often, based on the manufacturer of the RAM, it is not recommended to mix 2 packs of 2 sticks of RAM. You need to buy 1 pack of 4 sticks of RAM.
Explorer crashing = I can't offer a solution, but I do believe it's a MS thing. Could be security, could just be OS. Windows is so absurdly massive it's a wonder it's as stable/dependable as it is. You never know ... after the next update you might not ever have a blk screen again.
check the SP score and if it's good, get the SVID profile to best case scenario
I've had Win explorer crash on every PC I used and built the past few years. W10 and 11. Just do anything medium heavy on file copy/move, opening a drive/folder with a lot of files and it chokes. From what I hear, this is 'normal' for Windows nowadays. I.e. it's a bug but Microsoft is more interested in creating useless new features than actually fixing their sh!t. I've started moving some machines to Linux where possible, works like a charm. Just doesn't run Adobe stuff very well 😅
I've had the explorer crash on all Windows versions from Vista to 11
Hey Tech Notice, love your vids. 21:20 you might wanna check out Tech YES City's video on Intel 12th (and 13th) gen and it's heavy latency problems which might be causing those Explorer crashes.
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Thank you for the video. Admittedly just concentrated on the hardware usage review bits of the video. Tried Premier; but its not premier nor premium. Sticking to Da Vinci Resolve. As to the "video editing industry" mentioned below, I believe its just a matter of time before the "industry" wakes up. Its only because Premier was earlier to market and was able to get everyone captured in its workflow system. Am not a fanboy by any definition by the way, so dont get your blood pressure up.
I have built a TrueNAS Scale server and I'm about to use its VM to install Davinci Resolve (free), under Linux and render out my projects via a Quadro headless graphics card. Only advised for Intel platform (QuickSync). Still reading lots of trusted text, and some RUclips videos to make sure. It is very quick to edit off the server (10GBe, 850 MBytes/sec). Once a project is saved, it would be a shame to have all that horse power unused, and doing Deliveries (rendering out) this way makes use of a powerful machine. Then I can get back to work on my Workstation.
We have a few different systems with 13900K"s and explorer freezes also from time to time on all of them. Our systems are MSI based. Must be a Windows thing.
how insightful. brilliant content.
When you said even your new PC crashed, then said you use Premiere, it's most likely Premiere. I'd love to see you do a comparison video between Premiere and Resolve (first with the free version, then the paid version). BTW, I used Premiere since Adobe was still sending out install discs...
BTW, saying you want to give credit to Adobe because it crashes LESS than before made me laugh. That's like saying "Well he kept punching me, but at least he quit kicking me....."
I'm an editor too but I prioritize rgb for better performance
I also use 128 GB DDR 5 ram, most probably those blue screens are cause of XMP profile on ram. When dropped XMP profile all goes smooth, zero blue screens. Same story goes with new 96+64GB ram
What do you mean when you say you are using a cash drive, for what exact purpose is that used?
Have a look at my storage workflow guide :)
Reset BIOS, restart retrain RAM. EASY PEASY....
Completely populating all of the 4 RAM slots and turning on XMP is not a wise choice.
Unfortunately, DDR4/5 isn't like DDR3, memory manufacturers cut cost in NOT validating XMP via 4 RAM slots, because consumer normally uses 2 RAM slots via XMP.
Learned my lesson back when my 6700K was around, did light VM, and video rendering and all 4 slots are populated to 32GB with XMP turn on. Got BSOD from those issue, but not gaming (maybe those 3A games).
Turned off XMP, and everything works fine.
I’ve had the same stability issues with 128gb 2 dimms per channel config with my z790 tuf gaming+13700k+corsair vengeance ddr4. It becomes much more stable at lower speeds (2666) but it can still crash. I guess at that amount of RAM true ECC plus registered dimms are needed. Still, way cheaper than a workstation config so worth it.
On the ssd size, I’ve never had explorer crash even though I use 2 2tb corsair gen4 in raid 0 via storage spaces and I move a lot of data back and forth other 2 nvmes (gen 3 and 4).
@TechNotice Really like this review thank you. Do you think the i9 13900k outperforms the Ryzen 7950x in UE5 and Blender in real world tests? Also, on either platform will air-cooling work or is liquid a must?
In UE5 it really won't matter much. I believe AMD pulls a little ahead sometimes and Intel at others if I remember correctly. Unreal and the Unreal Editor has for the last 15+ years it has been around always had issues with scaling when it comes to more cores, so as long as you have 8 cores you will be fine it won't use much over that. It has never been setup to scale much over the industry standard at the time. I would really worry more about your having a solid GPU in this case.
Blender does tend to favor just the raw core setup of AMD a little more I believe.
I’m a little confused why you would recommend the solidigm for a cache drive? It only has 750 tbw! The kc3000 2tb has 1.6ptw
The purpose of the cache is that it keeps rewriting itself over and over and over so it wears out faster. Solidigm is absolute garbage. I think you just played yourself.
Now, we have to check usb-c list of supported devices(thunderbolt version, normal usb devices ), and to check motherboard connector for front panel, sometimes you have good case with usb 3.2 gen 2 but motherboard doesn't give that option or the other way around nightmare.
Hey, That lamp on your desk next to the left speaker 4:40, where did you get that. It's really nice.
Great videos btw.
When i open a folder with some large video file plus lots of other files, it sometimes gets stuck. A workaround i found is, ending the process, disabling the Navigation pane from view menu while in a different folder, going in and moving the offending files to a sub directory and then re-enabling the navigation. This happens on my 12th gen intel laptop and not on 7950x desktop. I thought it was a quirk of the laptop but if the fix works for you, it might be something about the platform...
Also DDR5 on AMD is a massive pain in the back in general. Even with 64 gigs. It works most of the time but there are these annoying little stuff. it's not significant enough to just dump the system off, so i just bear with it and hope for a bios update that fixes my issues while not creating new ones.
I run 4 sticks at 7600mhz, but I also bought a proper 4 dimm set from corsair and tuned the ram timings and voltage instead of just turning the frequency down...
Impressive!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
My 6 year old i7 7700k with 32gb of ram works great with 4k - rarely crashes. So I'm wondering if I should indeed upgrade to an i9 13900 job like yours that might crash all the time.
You should definitely undervolt!
At this point, why not just go all-in and build an actual Threadripper workstation? Or consider Resolve perhaps?
Threadripper is more expensive and slower for premiere right now :)
Regarding 4 stick speed, perhaps its possible to get high speed when using something like gear 4? This is something similar to recent AMD update to allow running the memory controller at 1:4.
What is the voltage on the dimms?? Try adding .01v at a time: 1.35v->1.36v, 1.4v->1.41v->1.42v etc
I also have the same issue with the screen going blank once in a while. It happens randomly, but more often when switching from idle to a more gpu-intensive app or task. A driver update from nVidia didn't help. By the way, what speakers are you using? Looks like an Edifier--which model?
Go with Sapphire Rapids, can go with 24xx series 24 core and ECC ram
Hi there I am still unsure of which cpu to go for the Ryzen 9 5900X way out of my budget, just wondering is the Ryzen 7 5700X cpu will be enough for 4K content creation - as in using After effects and color grading, photoshop and light room?
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Have you tried Mac? Would be exciting to check if you'll have crashes keep on
Have you had any of the latency issues associated with the 12/13 gen ? Brian from Tech yes city has done several videos on this especially on premier when editing.
This is going to be an "issue" from this point forward from all future CPU launches from AMD and Intel. The last ring bus CPU architecture from Intel was 10th/11th gen and that is when you had memory latencies below 30ns (if you had 4400MT or higher memory). When the memory industry can push DDR5 speeds of 10000MT with timings around 40CL or lower, that is when the memory latencies will hit 40ns or lower. By that time, we will be looking at DDR6 and the cycle will start over.
Do you know on which computer I edit videos and work in Photoshop? What you need to install and can I use this processor : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz 2.66GHz
NVIDIA Quadro K620 Graphics Processor
RAM 8 GB
The adjustment layer is primitive, the premier pro has a color comparison of each frame and this partially solves the problem
Your videos are not adjusted in color balance and are all yellow, as if you are from China
Have you considered trying Davinci Resolve on the same system? - especially if your doing multi-cam and the bmd speed editor console device….
As a creator (never play games)
What is the most cost effective GPU match for a i9 13900K PC.
(I am doing video editing and photo work. Three 4k 32” displays).
depends what your budget is :)
Cost efficient, diminishing return…
Have top notch memory and m.2 ssd. But how good gpu do I need, when gaming is not in focus? Isn’t the i9 13900K handling much of my graphic needs when doing photo and video editing?
@@user-ei6bh8rw1y4090 or 4080 would be the best pair. You wouldn't want anything else since you have 3 4k monitors.
first of all i loved the video it was really good deep dive to the PC and to PP however there is a cooling solution for 13900k it is the MASTERLIQUID ML360 SUB-ZERO or you can take the EVO version which is even more powerful than the original. it is a real shame that asus kinda diss the proart brand with no caring for the actual utilities and/or power for the products
The Video is pristine. Your skin ist to orange. Thank you for the video. I Lerned a lot.
Tech notice, ae you planning on doing a review on the framework 16 laptop when it ships? I am getting one with the R9 processor and no dgpu rn because money is tight.
DDR5 memory controller suffers support of 128GB. Might this be the source of some instability?
It doesn't suffer of support, the IMC is not able to keep up 4 sticks on 2 channels with higher capacity and speed
Might the solution be a mere reduction of memory clocking?
Has anyone found a solution for getting the max speeds of the ram? So we dont have to bring them down? Also has anyone solved the type C not working issue
Bump
@@ExOhz get the update thunderbolt drivers from asus and it's fixed.
the ultimate add on would be a second rtx 4090 card ^^ and right now nvidea offers workstation cpus that come with over 30 cores and u can have 2 of them on a dual socket mainboard. So workstation wise there is many headroom. especially if u decide to switch from an rtx card to nvideas workstation cards.
many editing programs can use a second card as hardware accelerator.
I don't think nVIDIA makes workstation CPUs. Right now we can only pray that Intel and AMD HEDT platforms become readily available and at a reasonable price.
Nvidia's ARM CPUs are exclusively for server use. RTX 4090 is already so overpowered that adding a second card would lead to diminishing returns just like gaming, unless you're doing a super hard to render 3D animation.
@@dy729656 core Xeon W9 3495X can be used in workstations. its not just for servers.^^ and i indeed saw a video where a guy had a 90% speed scaling when he added a 2nd rtx 4090 (or 4080 cant remember) to his workstation. So it was like 5 seconds instead of 9 seconds for rendering and vise versa for longer 10 minute renders. These mashines with 30+ cores and duo or even quad gpus are used as workstations when doing anime movies and other crazy stuff.
@@dy7296 i just saw tech notice building something similar but with a threadripper: REVEALED 👉 World's MOST POWERFUL Creator PC! | AMD 5995wx + 3x RTX 4090 Workstation [OPPENHEIMER PC at 54:20 he names a couple of those applications that make use of every GPU. and those anime studios and other render maniacs even use dual socket mainboards^^ if i remember correctly linus tech tips had one of those render PCs with duo cpu and quad rtx 3090
Man You got lucky that you were able to boot into Windows and do stuff back with my i7 4790K system once I upgraded to 32GB of RAM from 16 I would get BSODs right after Windows boots into the welcome screen but after I upped the voltage of the RAM which was DDR3 which has a stock voltage of 1.5V and upped it to 1.65V and it solved it or I lowered the frequency of the ram from 2133 MT/s to 2000 and it worked. Yeah By adding 2 more sticks of RAM from 2 to 4 it puts more strain on the memory controller. So you could adjust the voltage of the RAM to make stable at 5600 MT/s but who knows how much voltage you need in order for that to be stable so you did the right thing by lowering the frequency to 5000 MT/s. That sucks that you are having issues with Premiere Pro.
I've been having the same issue with the file explorer crashing on Windows10. It seems to happen when I have many file explorer windows open, so I've been reducing the number of them that I have open simultaneously. This is definitely suboptimal and I was hoping Windows11 would be more stable.
make sure it's opening file explorer windows as separate processes. That will probably fix your issue if all your windows are opened up under one process can overload memory management.
I bought exactly the same system because I wanted to be able to play solitaire (at the highest settings) without getting any stuttering.
Arctic Cooling allows to mount the tubes turn up? hmm
Let us know when you have a Stable Reliable build.