Mac Mini 8GB vs 16GB (Don't Make a HUGE Mistake)
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Had the same issue, got the 8 GB model first, returned it same day, it was unusable. 3 months later (being a little scared I have to return it again), bought the 16 GB RAM 512 GB model, and this is like a completely different machine. No complaints on this one, but it began working really well only when I installed Big Sur beta 11.3.
I could had told you that when it first come out. That Apple executive said 8 is all you need before MacOS is way more efficient than Windows..
I had an 8gb M1 Mac Mini and "unusable" is the last word I'd use for it. It was blindingly fast for most things. I used Logic Pro to make some songs, Safari was killer fast, Microsoft apps were killer fast, etc. Just a great machine for basic things, for people who don't do much productivity on their Mac, e.g. read emails, web browse, maybe some photo editing etc.. I owned and used it a few times a week for about 12 months. The RAM problem only started when I started using my Mac mini for work, and installed every single Microsoft app (Word, Excel, Ppt, Outlook, Teams, OneNote, Tasks etc.) plus Figma, and then lots of browser tabs open, etc. etc. Only then was it starting to use swap files, which I didn't want to improve SSD longevity. I sold it and got an M1 Mac mini with 16gb RAM, and I have all those same apps open, and more, and it never uses the swap. If you're not using it for daily work then the 8gb will suffice for a while.
Amazing video!! Thank u so much
16 GB is so much better for creators
Totally agree! 16gb should be the minimum for all computers moving forward! Thanks for watching and the comment Gabriel!
I wish I would have known this. I have this issue
@ashleigh sorry to hear!
@@Ac35010 Me too. Getting the 16gb asap!
@@kilzorock Me too. I’m going to return my 256GB/8GB.
One of the few informative reviews i've found on the internet! Its rare that someone speaks your language so clearly, breaking it down for us subscribers!! Thanks a ton Rafael!
Wow, thank you! Thanks for watching and the comment!
Thanks for the heads up Rafael! Almost none of this applies to me, but it's good to know what I can and can't do if I decide to buy this computer. I'm a casual user and I need a good cheap computer and I'm finally gonna take the plunge with a Mac. After seeing this and other videos like this, I'm more confident in buying the cheapest version of this computer and buying all the accessories I need separate.
That's great to hear! That's exactly why I made this series of videos! If you know your use of the machine, what apps you are using, what their requirements are. Thanks for watching and the comment José!
I am editing 4K 10bit HEVC from Sony A7S3 ... with 8gb of memory. Everything is fine so far 👍
This is why I went with the 8GB first, it looked so promising from all the reviews! The newer cameras are great for this new chipset! Thanks for watching and the comment Franck!
@@RafaelLudwig believe that your issue was realated to the software
Thanks God someone saying the truth.
@Bill Gates i am using Final Cut and Photoshop at the same time. No issues. But when i forgot to close FCP while I’m using photoshop and Lightroom. It seems to be more laggy. But the Mac Mini is really fantastic. I am editing files that even my iMac Pro couldn’t edit.
@@franckgomez3960 how much storage your Mac mini m1 has .. and how you edit big files on camerA in small storage mac mini?..
Glad you finally got it sorted out- sorry you had issues 😕
I don’t use that codec, but I’ve still had no issues and I push mine hard everyday.
My choice of cameras and codecs were the issues!
What codecs do you use that run fine on your M1?
My immediate thought was, Tom has no issues with his 8 gb. LOL!
@@RafaelLudwig I thought you said that 8gig Mini is not for pushing hard 🤔
@@PeterKoperdan That's right, they are not. I would never use it for pro client work. My choice of cameras and codecs were the issue and killed the 8gb instantly.
This sounds more like a problem with the specific codec you were trying to use. Using prores would have been most people’s solution until the codec solution you normally use is resolved. But yea for video more ram is always going to be better, the fact that the M1 Mac Mini can do as well as it does with just 8GB is really the impressive thing here.
Not sure if you’ll see this but your intro is IMPRESSIVE. Your aesthetic editing is on point. That’s all I wanted to say. It stood out enough for me to type out this comment. Keep it up.
Thank you so much Ruben!! That is a very kind compliment!
the first 10 seconds feels like walking into a scary movie .... lol ....
The drama! Having a little fun making the videos. Thanks for watching and the comment Haoran!
True😂👍
Hey, thanks for the short video that is straight to the punch. Many channels draw their videos out; it's nice to see a channel cram a lot of info into a shorter video.
Thanks for watching and the compliment William!
This sound like a very specific issue...
yep and plenty of other youtubers saying 8GB is fine. WTF is he doing using a mac mini for this kind of work anyway?
Lol click baity
Jeez all the ppl cmt this video make it sound like 8gb of ram is a sin. Pretty sure the specific m1 mini he has was flaw.. not because 8gb was not enough
8 gigs is an unusable mac to him apparently
@@KL-os2sr It's true.
That was HULK SMASH intro!!!!!! Great breakdown and broll! Had me engaged the whole time!! The 16GB seems like the answer for heavy video users and what I intend on getting. Nice video!
Definitely 16GB, 32 would be my recommendations for a 5 year computer.
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Even with my limited use, I went with the 16Gb. My 2011 MBP with only 8 Gb is still chugging along. After this Mini, I don’t plan on buying anything again for another 10 years so... 16 Gb all the way. “Buy once, cry once”.
100%. I ordered m1 macbook air with 16gb.
16Gb is already low today, in 5 years you wont see anything working with less than 32Gb.
@@llothar68 He is FUD. Ignore his "issues". Does not represent the majority M1 users. Dude is not techy. Nobody cares about your wife lol
@@llothar68 wrong mac and linux applications are way more optimized than windows applications
To be fair though, the MBP 2011 Intel is a different Mac altogether. I had the 17" MBP top model with the 1GB extra GPU and it was pants out of the box with a HDD and 8GB Ram. After I had installed an SSD for the boot OS (in the optical bay) and increased the RAM to 16 (max at the time) + optimised the system by removing bloated fonts and language packs etc (Google this - lots of things to tweak).
Thus set up, and with a boot in 8 seconds, the MBPro ran fine for 3 years and could do most things that a desktop could do (not games obviously) but then it died as most MacBooks do from overheating. There simply isn't enough ventilation inside and if you strip one you will see how useless this actually is, Some of the channels are so narrow that any fluff at all will block them... and it does which results in severe overheating especially if you are running the monitor off the standalone GPU with the lid closed.
If yours is still running, I would take it to a decent tech, ask him to strip it from the back and give it a through clean.
The MBPro was the most expensive Mac loss for me in 20 years $4000 for 3 years. Shocking since I still run several MP5,1 towers that are 12 years old now.
When I first got the 8GB/512GB M1 mini, with the launch MacOS I had beach balls and screen freeze very occasionally.
But several OS updates later, and 2 months of neural engine learning, I have zero beach balls, and negligible swap memory thrashing.
I’m not using FCP, but DaVinci Resolve, motion, and a large random suite of old software. It is not uncommon for me to have several dozen safari windows open, plus a couple of other apps.
It’s all fluid. But I generally only have one attached slow drive.
Your issues are unrelated to memory limitations, they are all codec related. Pick a codec that is actually fully supported by Apple.
Once you settle on hardware supported codec, and stick with it, until the neural engine learns your usage, you will find it runs much better.
Note: the 16gig takes longer to learn how to avoid swap memory issues. And uses double the space on your drive for swap memory.
This results in higher processor, and ram & drive temperatures as noted by other RUclipsrs. This temperature difference under severe load is why I chose the 8gig, model with a larger drive. The larger drive can handle the swap files more readily increasing SSD lifespan, and the lower temps indicate less thrashing, and the performance hit of about 3% is worth the longer durability of the machine, and reduces running costs by about 7% due to lower fan speeds. You might look at Louis’s videos on M1 vs photoshop (intel), the 8GB M1 coped very well with very very large files, that would choke a 32 gig intel beast, and that was under Rosetta.
I imagine if your having issues with FCP & photoshop you likely need to also dig into your third party plugins as the likely cause of memory leaks that are helping to choke your M1. These leaks maybe minor, and will take longer to show up in a 16gig machine, depending on usage.
Tune your plugins, and maintain a regular workflow and the mini will adapt to your usage.
Note. The reason why your initial 8GB mini continued to perform poorly compared to your later 16GB model is probably due to your editor habit of not upgrading your software and OS as new builds come in. I will bet dollars to donuts your still running the same versions of Mac OS, applications, and plugins as you installed on day one in each machine, because that is how many editors roll.
So do your updates, maintain a regular time machine backup so that you can roll back software updates, and let the machine learn your habits.
Ohh, and check out any hubs your using in the ingestion chain, it seems that many of those available in the market are unqualified and varyingly conflict with Mac hardware.
Should you ever need to output to DVD note that a salvaged dvd writer from an old Mac tower works fine on a cheap and nasty powered SATA to USB-C adapter.
You are right, the software updates have definitely help! Though even with the 16GB of ram the system still runs out of memory, long clips or just memory leaks. Really looking forward to the next models the come out!
I made a follow up video where I discuss who I feel the M1 is for and who should wait for the next gen. ruclips.net/video/b3vkX1Rfg94/видео.html
Thanks for watching and the comment!
Damn you know you stuff mate- any thoughts on the M1X and suggestions for RAM running Solidworks part modeling, renderings, simulation as well as video editing in 4K?
I am glad I came across this. I was about to pull the trigger on a 16gb, but I think I might wait for a 32gb option, and for this whole intel and M1 conversion to smooth out a bit.
I am in the same position, still rocking my intel mac from my main machine, some apps and plugins still not ported - and most have 16gb minimum ram system requirements. Though the mac mini 16gb is a solid little machine and it gets me excited about what is coming down the pipe from apple!
Thanks for watching and the comment!
Anyone on the fence. This title is verging on pure clickbait. The 8GB is just as good as the i9 MacBook Pro’s in almost all aspect. I’ve had my M1 MBP base model for 2 years and even just invested in a Mac Mini for a more permanent home setup. The new chips may smoke them but don’t forget they’re also 3 times the price and these are still super capable editing machines for most formats!
(Memory swapping does occur but my drive has suffered no degradation on testing)
Anyone also treating ram the same as an intel/ryzen machine hasn’t done any research. Because it’s unified memory, the ram works much more efficiently. It’s very similar to the difference between a standard HDD and an SSD. My 32gb i7/GTX 1080 desktop can’t handle footage the same way my 8gb M1 machine does. It’s ridiculously good.
Thanks for this review. I personally left nothing to chance in my M1 Mac mini as I make music, run several apps at once, and occasionally play my games on Apple Arcade. I went 16 gb RAM, 1 tb storage and I recommend the same simply for the fast access and faster read/write speeds.
The smart choice! Thanks for watching and the comment!
Finally, an informative video to help differentiate between memory sizes and the issues regarding quickly diminishing SSD lifecycles.
I love my 8gb M1 Mac mini. I’m not a heavy user (small coding projects, web browsing, email) but it’s been great for that stuff
Is it good for heavy video editing
I'm a graphic designer for commercial packaging and I usually used multi-tasking of several adobe apps and the internet. It's a good thing that I look for reviews before planning to purchase a new unit and it's a great help! Thank you so much! I will look forward to your channel and learning new things as well. Maybe I will wait for the 32GB RAM. I'm currently using an iMac with 24GB RAM (in the office) and 32GB RAM (home). I'm very intrigued with this new M1 chip and several reviews show that it really performs. BUT I need more RAM (32GB RAM is perfect for me I think).
I bought the 8 gb M1 and have had zero issues and couldn’t be happier!!!!
That's fantastic to hear! I wasn't so lucky! Thanks for watching and the comment Mick!
Same for me. Took me some time choosing between 8 and 16gb and after some long research it seems that the 8 is enough for me, even though 16 should be standard nowadays. But spending 300€ more for this ist just too much for what I use the MacBook for.
This video help me considerably. I used to do this work. Retired now but I dabble now and then. Other reviewers do not cover this.
Thanks for watching and the compliment David!
Thanks for this insightful video. I am now going to get the 8Gb version. I don't edit video like you - more of programming and the odd casual video editing. Saving the extra 200 bucks for future better Macs with better processor and memory. This works for me today.
before deciding check out Aivars channel -ruclips.net/p/PLlDKWZ2OLI-qanQeHLxjNSAGigAkoP2vt he has a huge playlist on just M1 Mac for development - Tell him I sent you ;)
Thanks for watching and the comment Andrew!
That’s probably the best play. M chips upgrades will be most likely come fast and furious in the next couple of years so using the cash to trade up will probably be the better move
I bought this M1 8GB MacMini 0n dec 31, 2020, to replace my Mid 2011 21.5" iMac. I use FCP often, for editing photo's I use Pixelmator. Other Apps I often use are Motion 5 and GarageBand. I have a 2TB SSD attached for the Libraries via a 8-in-1 hub, connected via one of the two Thunderbolt ports. My second monitor is connected with the HDMI output on this hub. I only use HD footage form my AVCHD camera, my Osmo Pocket and my Mavic Mini. No problems so far. Happy with it! But thanks for making this movie anyway.
Thank you, Rafa. You just saved me from a headache. I'll wait for the M1X instead.
It's a pretty solid little machine! But not for hefty constant tasks. I'm excited where apple is heading!
Thanks for watching and the comment!
Keep waiting. What a disappointment yesterday.
What broke my heart about switching to the M1 is I could no longer use my once very expensive Adobe Creative Suite CS5 Master Collection. It will never be supported and I had no idea this would force choices on finding alternative software‘s or going with creative cloud which turns my stomach the idea of forking over any more money to Adobe.
Oh man I feel this! If I didn’t need to use after effects professionally I would switch away from CC in an instant! Which apps do you need the most from Adobe?
@@RafaelLudwig why can't you use Adobe suite on M1? I must be living under a rock
Hackentosh. That's your answer.
I got an M1 MacBook Air 16GB and 2TB SSD, for working away from home. Other than some plugins not available on M1, I am very satisfied. The 2TB SSD has plenty of space for swap if necessary, with room for editing video project inboard. I can move completed projects to external media of course. For me a real bonus is running my iPad Pro 12.9" as a 2nd screen!
Exactly! The extra headroom will keep the computer feeling snappy for years! Thanks for watching and the comment!
Wow that costs a lot of money... happy for you.
Excellent and to the point. I can’t begin to thank you! 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching and the comment!
That was such a good intro 👏
Thanks for watching and the comment!
Agreed. Bottom line up front, love that approach.
Love the video straight to the point. No bates or fluff. Great advise. Thx
Very good video and remarks! I am so fed up so called professionals in the Mac world telling everyone that 8GB RAM is good/great to use for video editing. Memory swap seems to be a topic that many YT'ers seem to not want to learn about. You have a new channel subscriber.
This video was a response to all the videos saying 8gb base model was somehow magical. Ram is ram, and in this case not upgradable. I did a whole follow up where I discuss ram and swap memory in more detail. ruclips.net/video/b3vkX1Rfg94/видео.html
Thanks for watching and the comment Bob!
@@RafaelLudwig Thanks, I will watch the follow up video. I just don't get the argument that 8GB is enough and when totally dismissing swap memory.
@@BobD68 neither do I! That info has to go somewhere!
@@RafaelLudwig To me, it's people creating videos/content for just clicks/hits on their channel.
Excellent explanation. Clear, concise and focussed. Very impressed.
Wow, thank you for the compliment and for watching!
Thank you so much! This was exactly the review I wanted to see because I also work with tons of media stuff, Adobe software, and 3D rendering. RAM is not upgradable in this Mac Mini so it's important to know beforehand if things will not work.
This is exactly it! Ram is ram and if the computer has it, it will use it! I did a follow up video where I do more of a deep dive into the ram discussion. ruclips.net/video/b3vkX1Rfg94/видео.html
Thanks for watching and the comment!
Thank you. You explained what I wanted to know about 8GB M1 Mac mini
Thanks for watching and the comment Gatsby!
I’m loving my 16gb models of the M1 Apple computers. Especially my MacBook Air, it’s great being able to a half decent laptop again as my 2015 MacBook Pro just wasn’t cutting it anymore.
Are the new M1 Airs doing well with thermals? I want to surprise my partner with one, but need to be sure it doesn't get incredibly hot.
Do you use Final Cut pro in i mac mini?
My main software is After Effects, do you have any idea how is i mac mini 16gb for After Effects?
Pfft if my 2012 MBP is still doing good on 4k your MBP 2015 should as well 🤡
@@HistoryandReviews Pfffffffffft, well it didnt, it was a nightmare trying to even view Mavic Pro 2 D-Log and Canon Clog sooooooooo ya
@@muhammadabsarupwork i use mine for final cut pro and it works great, some of the plugins are still waiting for updates to utilize in apple silicon. I dont use after effects sorry
I had the same problem with my basic model MacBook Pro. I was getting a lot of problems when editing photo and video, even then, it only allowed me to have one software at the time, otherwise I would run out of memory. I got tired of it and switched to the 16GB model, problem fixed. My recommendation is, for everyone that is planning on getting an apple computer, it’s totally worth to upgrade to the 16GB you won’t regret spending the extra money.
Thanks for making and sharing this video! I'm currently using a 2013 iMac with 8GB for design work in Photoshop. It was okay to use before, but now its gotten so slow, even after doing everything I could to optimize the system. I was interested in the Mac mini because of the price, but was not sure how it would handle Adobe software. And even though I was told the 8GB would be okay for photoshop, I think I'll put in the extra GB to be on the safe side!
Same here !
Same same
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I have been monitoring my memory use on my Mini M1 and I have noticed that I’m constantly sitting somewhere between 5.5 and 7 gigs used at all times. It seems a lot...but it definitely confirms my reasoning for purchasing the 16g of memory instead of the 8g.
The extra headroom will make the computer feel snappy for years! Thanks for watching and the comment Thomas!
What sort of workload do you use on your Mac? For example, productivity or video production....
How are you getting such low memory usage lol, mine is like at 12 at all times on load 14ish
I got the base model M2 but I did upgrade the RAM to 16GB. Though the 256GB SSD is low but way too expensive to upgrade. I’ll use an external NVME SSD for storage via thunderbolt port. Thanks for your video.
That's where I would put the extra upgrade! Keeping as much as you can off the main SSD will keep your system humming nicely. Just be careful if you use dropbox, that will only work on the internal SSD.
Thanks for watching and the comment Jay!
I'm editing Red Komodo 6k RAW on my 8GB Mini M1 in FCP with no problems, like butter
Thanks fantastic that you are having no problems! I wish that was the case for me! Thanks for watching and the comment Ken!
Great to-the-point video! You do this so much better than other much larger channels, keep up the good work!
Since my current MBP is almost 10 years old it is definitely time for me to upgrade and since I already have a tablet and a big monitor it just made sense to pick up a M1 Mac Mini. I don't do hardcore video production and I mostly use Photoshop and similar drawing programs - but given the fact that these machines aren't upgradable and I tend to keep my hardware for many years till it breaks, I went all in on the specs -16 gigs of RAM and 512 gb hard drive. I don't buy into the whole "M1 uses less RAM" thing, as this video definitely shows. Even if I don't go further than making the equivalent of cat videos on TikTok, I have no regrets about it.
Nice one. A year on I just ordered the thing because I wanted a cheap "device" to support a new livestreaming business I'm about to get into with an ATEM mini pro iso. I didn't want to get the notebook because I would have used it as my daily driver instead of a dedicated tool as part of my kit. Besides, my eyes are getting old, and I don't want to be squinting into a tiny screen on the job. Anyway, despite already overspending, I squeezed enough money out to get the 16GB version. I'm glad I did. People say that with this unified architecture, you can't really compare the same amount of ram to a PC set up. I'm skeptical.
16gb will keep the machine snappy for years to come! Thanks for watching and the comment Terence! (my eyes are also getting old!)
Even with 16gb we got issues, way too many beach balls and crashes. But that's the way Apple uses first buyers are as beta testers...
Absolutely! Low risk with entry level machines, get them out into the wild, and find the breaking points and fix for them next version and higher end models. Thanks for watching and the comment!
So you saying it’s not worth it?
@@martinjimenez7392 The only people I would recommend any M1 computer, is anyone who does light creative work but mostly web surfing, word processing, emails and using it as a dedicated streaming computer.
Thank you, I am a user from China, a video worker, I bought the 16g 256g version today
Thanks for posting this. I have the 16Gb and I'm still getting the 'your system has run out of application memory' message at times (when editing 4K footage form a GoPro). It seems to happen when FCPX is transcoding multiple video clips. I found that I could stop it from crashing by pausing the transcoding process then resuming. Hopefully this gets fixed because it definitely looks like some kind of memory leak.
Thanks for the video. Just ordered a Mac mini 16GB.
Solid review. Well done.
I would blame it on Adobe, their software is getting so bloated, just look at Acrobat Reader, bigger doesnt equal better
Ha! Truth! The ideas are good, the implementation is over engineered! Thanks for watching and the comment Victor!
I always follow this one rule - Never Ever go for any entry level model for any product, pay little extra to get next available upgrade (not suggesting to get the highest spec either).. be it your phone, your computer or even your car.. all companies are least attentive on their base models.. I have an old late 2014 Mac Mini but I am glad that a while ago I didn't opt for base 8 GB model with spinning HDD instead got Core i7, 16 GB RAM & with SSD model.. it's still very useful even in 2022.. would replace it with a non base model second gen Apple Silicone Mac Mini with more features polished out... I am sitting out and skipping 1st Gen M Processor (M1).
I have the 8g and it's been fine for me both on DaVinci Resolve, and IMovie.
That's great to hear, I wasn't so lucky! Thanks for watching and the comment!
Me too , daVinci is Increible faster and render faster than fcpx in my Mac mini m1 8 gigas, the only issue is photoshop no big deal I guess is because I can’t install The native version , just Rosetta
Great review, Rafael. Thorough and honest. cool.
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching and the comment Steven!
98% of the viewers here aren't creating 4K videos and watch video, surf the web and work with documents.
100% agree! I made this video in response to all the other reviews saying that 8gb base model was somehow magical. And that it was good enough for pro work. we bought it as a family computer, so I took the opportunity to put it to task and see how it performs. It's a pretty solid little machine! And 16gb will make it feel snappy for years! But it's an entry level machine meant for word processing, web surfing, and light creative work.
Thanks for watching and the comment Joseph!
I do not regret going 16gb, it was able to spit out 4K videos in minutes.
I got the 8GB version for AE, PS and AI, so far so good. I wish I could have got the 16GB but the $$$ difference in Brazil is surreal.
Bruno e como está sendo o uso no dia a dia do 8gb? Trava em algum momento? Trabalho com os mesmos apps, queria muito pegar um M1 mas o de 16gb aqui no BR tá triste!
@@guiallan Não tive nenhum crash por falta de memória ainda, só manter o cache sempre limpo e um restart na máquina umas 2 vezes na semana. Com o M1 a diferença na parformance é grande, vale a pena pegar mesmo o 8gb e aí trocar para uma versão com mais RAM no futuro.
@@bnobonini Vlw pela dica! Sucesso!
Fala Bruno!!! eu to pensando em pegar os M1 tbm. Tenho um Mini 2012 com 16gb iam e SSD. Roda bem . Uso o Mainstage ao vivo e nunca tive sustos com ele. Será que esse 8gb aguenta o tranco mexendo com audio? Os de 16gb estão com preços fora da sanidade mental mesmo. Valeu, grande abraço.
@@mutungao eae! Eu acho que a versão 8GB aguenta o Mainstage, mas com certeza 16GB vai ficar MUITO melhor a performance, ainda mais conectando com uma controladora.. para produção musical eu pegaria essa versão de 16
I had same issues and just send it back to apple and upgraded to 16gb of ram! Thx for your help.
It's such a solid little machine!! Thanks for watching and the comment Peter!
@@RafaelLudwig yes I really like the speed of the new ARM processor. I’m super happy with it especially upgrading from a Mac mini 2014!
just wait for next gen of M1's... cannot replace SSD either, so good luck when you're out of the warranty.
Yup, but like anything entry level from apple, it's usually soldered in any way 🤷♂️ Thanks for watching and the comment Kardum!
Nothing apple of mine has ever crapped out. Only performance lagged after 6-8 years. Good luck trying that with PCS.
I made this mistake by purchasing a 8G M1 iMac for my wife. The she ran out of memory by simply opening too many Chrome tabs...
I haven't had any issues with the 8gb with FCPX
Probably the resolution matters.
Same here. No issues with 8.
I got the Mac Mini (M1) with 8 ram with 256GB... I think will upgrade to 16 ram after watching this video!!! Thank you for the insightful review!!!
Check out the follow up video I did where I go into more detail how to choose the right machine for you. ruclips.net/video/b3vkX1Rfg94/видео.html
Thanks for watching and the comment Farhad!
Very helpful. I’ve been seen a lot of videos saying that the 8gb is doing a great job for video editing I was decided to get one. Now I’m considering the 16gb.
Make sure you check out my follow up video where I talk about the RAM in more detail. ruclips.net/video/b3vkX1Rfg94/видео.html
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@@RafaelLudwig I think if you use Resolve you should be fine.
I got the 16GB M1 mini and built my own external 2TB M.2 SSD that's almost as fast as accessing the internal drive. It works great for my video and photo editing needs. I use Photoshop and Lightroom classic. Right now I'm using iMovie for my RUclips and Facebook videos and it suits my needs but I'm not doing professioan work for others. I'm not an Apple fan boy but I'm all in on the new Apple silicon, I love it!
What brand nvme and enclosure did you get?
@@alamba78 Western Digital Blue SN550 NVMe M.2 2280 2TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) WDS200T2B0C and ORICO Thunderbolt 3 40Gbps M.2 NVME SSD Enclosure 2TB Transparent USB C SSD Case with 40Gbps C to C Cable For Mac ... It's very fast, the enclosure works fine but seems to dissipate heat the best on it's side. There are enclosure out there that are fast with fans if you pay a little more.
Apple's strategy is strange. It's going backward to soldering memory and storage. That's why my desktop PC has 32GB x 4 = 128GB ram.
I don't think the Mac Mini was ever meant to have replaceable parts. Sure, the real early models do, but those aren't "up to snuff" anymore, and Apple wants their money. They do offer Mac Pro which is 6000 dollars and it looks like you can swap stuff out with it. BUUUT that is expensive.
Bought the iMac, M1 with 8gb memory and it crashed when i'm using Capcut. So sad it cannot be upgraded. Thanks for your explanation. Now i know memory is so important.
8GB of RAM is crazy in this day, 16GB is a must, ideally 32GB or more. It's like when Apple released an 8GB storage iPhone (Yes I know storage is different, it's a comment on manufacturers releasing products with inadequate minimum specs)
Yep! There is a reason they call it Entry Level! Thanks for watching and the comment!
Amazing review. I am looking at this, and I want the 8 but this might change
I made a follow up video doing a deep dive on the ram question. ruclips.net/video/b3vkX1Rfg94/видео.html
Thanks for watching and the comment Sam!
Apple should have a 32GB model. As always, larger memory always helps when you use large memory hog applications.
I agree 100%! and those will be coming, they also know they have to give time to software developers to make their apps native, because I know that when I buy a new machine it HAS to work well with the software I use every day. Luckily this mac mini was bought as a family computer and not work computer. But it allowed me to put it through it's paces and I was pleasantly surprise how solid this little machine was, and excited where apple is going with the new ARM processors. Thanks for watching and the comment CK!
The 32gb models won’t be coming until the updated cpu comes out…likely the m1x in the mac mini
For such heavy and professional use I am surprised you even considered the 8G.
It wasn't for me. But I took the chance to put it through it's paces to see if all the reviews that 8gb was somehow magical for everyone. (spoiler: it wasn't) Thanks for watching and the comment Tommy!
I bought the 8gb first to save some money but then returned and got the 16gb one. For my tasks I don’t notice any difference but I think it will be more future proof that way.
Yes it will make the computer feel snappy for years! Even as app get stronger and use more system resources! Thanks for watching and the comment!
Thank you for a great video! I got myself a new MacBook Air M1 with 16Gb of RAM in December and I happy about my choice. I am doing normal Office work - some Zoom, Teams, Office, Chrome, Safari, tons of mails - nothing very tough. But I have noticed that I always have 11-12 Gb of RAM used on daily basis. I not even sure whom 8Gb model is built for. Probably in the future when MacOS and Apps would be optimized better but for now, only 16GB!
Ah... the good all let my wife buy the sacrificial first Gen Mac and we will see how it goes 😅
Yeah man! And for the kids! I’m still rockin the good’ol intel Mac for the time being. Too many crashes for the work I do daily.
Thanks for watching and the comment Sean!
I just bought an M1, upgrading from a late 2014 Mac Mini. 16GB Unified with 516 SSD. I mainly use Final Cut Pro to edit video and Cubase to record multi-track audio. I finally had a chance today to get into it and play around with some footage shot with a local band for a video. Much faster rendering than before, didn't see any blurs or skips. I bought a USB-C Hub that helped get my 2nd monitor hooked back up with room to plug in my USB Midid interface for the audio recording I use it for. I'm impressed with the speed. I'm looking forward to what the future of the M1 chip brings
Great video and troubleshooting from you, Rafael 👍
My intuition would also say 8GB model is for the casual user, but it was really fun to watch Tom Buck maxing out the multitasking capabilities of the 8GB model 😀
But since he uses EOS R he didn’t saw any footage issue, as you mentioned.
Yeah, it's not the same for everyone, my case was very clear that more ram and more storage were needed. Thanks Phil for watching and all the support! Congrats on the new baby! Wishing all the best!
@@RafaelLudwig thank you Rafael 🙂
@@RafaelLudwig FWIW, I got the 8GB model because I could afford it. I dont really do much gaming or video editing or anything like that. The most resource-intensive thing I do is build software. It has not crashed once. I really was on the fence about it, as my 10-year-old i3 has the same amount of memory. Perhaps they had some problems with e.g. the VM subsystem in MacOS with this architecture early on? I plan on getting an external drive to use for media, etc. Overall--especially for the price--I am happy with it. Im sure if I try to do anything substantial with docker or virtualization, I am gonna be frustrated. ;-)
This is the first Apple product Ive bought. I installed Monterey on the i3 and fell in love with it. Over the last 20 years, I ran linux most of the time.
Great review.
Glad you think so!
Thanks for watching and the comment!
i got a late 2015 21,5” imac, i do not do anything professional the 8gb should be ok right? i just use notes, watch movies ,homework, and listen to music
Yes it's great for that! As long as you don't use any apps that require large amounts of ram too often it's a great little machine! Thanks for watching and the comment Robert!
Good video, I subscribed because not only was the video good but you seem like a generally nice guy by how you reply in the comments. Your channel will grow for sure.
Wow! Thank you for the compliment and for watching! It’s comments like this that genuinely happy to keep making videos!
It's pretty amazing how M1 with only 8GB covers almost every task out there. I can't use anything below 16GB for my windows desktop.
@@scrypher you're really kidding yourself if you think Linux is much more resource intensive 😝😝😝😝😝
@@PsycosisIncarnated Depends on the distro of Linux. Some have bulk ware by default. But yes, Linux allows you to strip that all out if you don't want it. Or you can just use a version that is very light (they have several out there).
Thanks for this practical and direct review. I am a graphic designer and was going to buy the 8GB model for domestic stuff and as a 'look see' as to how silicon runs Adobe Photoshop, Indesign and Illustrator (mostly). I understand the Ram / swap file thing and as a Pro in the olden days we would allocate a clean drive (or RAID partition) just for Photoshop swap files - the days of 300 DPI print on OS 9 :)
I will get the 16GB model now as the Studio is frankly ridiculous (cost and spec) for graphic design. Apple are not making it easy for professionals - trying to force them down the oh so expensive route with little in between. Not happy, one reason I still run two x MP5,1 12 Core 32GB 3,4GHz BTO towers - easily enough to run Adobe CS. And now with OpenCore we can boot Catalina :)
16GB of RAM is so 2019, Mac Mini should at least have 64GB RAM in 2021
Mac mini shouldn’t even have 32gb 16gb is enough for most modern tasks if u need more than 16gb get a server/workstation machine
More isn’t always better 😂, the new chip absolutely shreds anything I throw at it, it’s truly unbelievable, I had the same mindset until I picked one up.
Thanks a lot! I was evaluating 8GB model but your video make me clear it's a huge mistake.
The extra headroom with Ram will make the computer feel snappy for years! Thanks for watching and the comment Daniel!
I am waiting for the next-gen pro systems but very excited about the M1. I find that running Photoshop and Davinci on a 16-in Macbook Pro with 32G ram still problematic. I tend to use two machines with a last-gen Intel 13 Macbook Pro i7 next to it for Photoshop while I am editing video on the other machine. Also, suggest you keep the activity monitor open to watch memory usage. I find that running bad software like dropbox or Google drive will just keep growing memory demands.
Thank you for a honest review
Thanks for watching and the comment!
I can’t really see any situation where you regret buying too much RAM. So a good rule of thumb is to buy as much RAM as possible on Apple computer models where you can’t upgrade it afterwards. Cheers!
100% agree! Thanks for watching and the comment!
I have the 16gb mini. Works good with a few exceptions: 1. USB-c to HDMI cable the screen randomly would go black a few times every hr. Using a HDMI to HDMI cable fixed this issue. 2. Hiding connected clips above the primary story line when will cause the audio to stop working, only a restart will fix. 3. Importing m4a audio the beginning gets truncated. I have to convert it to another format in an audio editor. 4. exported audio using compressor as a mp3 creates static sounding artifacts. Only work around is export as a WAV and re-encode in an audio editor.
Yeah there are so many random, I would say annoyances, that are still present but much better with the updates. Thanks for watching and the comment Peter!
Serious question, why would someone want to do video editing on a Mac in a closed environment when they could do it on a PC with equivalent software with cheaper, but more powerful hardware? After all, the video and picture editing output would appear the same for the end user. Is it just for people who started off with Macs and aren't used to Windows? Are there more pros and cons?
It is true that a skilled editor could get to the same edit done on any machine. In that case gear does not matter. Fundamental skills are key to creating. The hardware and the software can actually slow down most creatives. Just like a skilled driver would be slowed down by switching from a nascar to an indy car. Both are fast one may cost less than the other, and in the end they would cross the finish line.
I made a video about my full views on Mac vs PC and why people would choose one over the other. Price is usually low on the list for those that don't want to build their own machine. ruclips.net/video/avzOpFEpG2A/видео.html
Thanks for watching and the comment!
Waiting for my M! 16G to arrive thanks for the video. Glad I got the better RAM.
M1 is game changer definitely. I think with the current price point, the other company will find it very hard to beat. Very excited to see what Apple can do in 2-3 years time from now
It's a killer niche Apple, as a company with a reputation for providing high quality hardware AND software, is very uniquely positioned to fill. There *are virtually no reputable PC pre-builts* that you can expect to get long-term adequate performance and support for the sub-$800 price point; every single one I or my mom has ever gotten runs for a year before promptly turning back into a pumpkin that seems to groan in pain when asked to even open Word. Providing a Mac in that range is a complete no-brainer that WILL get people into the ecosystem for the first time. The M1 isn't meant for people who do serious video editing or RAM intensive activities, frankly.
It's meant for people who need a desktop for general computing that they know will "just work" and won't come with the bloatware and garbage build quality/performance something like a Dell or HP would.
@@gwenc1371 Can you write more about ''m1 isnt meant for video editing''? I heard that its other way, m1 is much better then intel. I want to buy m1 16gb in a few days, please can you tell me more?
@@gwenc1371 last lines are soooo “XDDDD”’sh
Your problem isn't with Apple. your problem is with final cut pro
As soon as I see "As a video professional", you damn well know you need MORE ram...
You are 100% correct and this is exactly what I have been saying about the M1 entry level macs. I've been consistent on my opinion. ruclips.net/p/PLFutATfhhKQv59M7NONZwzqm02IJxK-B_
Not sure how far you watched this video but this was not for me but as a family computer but it gave me a chance to put it to task as a response to all the videos saying 8gb of ram is somehow magical. (spoiler, it's not)
Thanks for watching and the comment Salah!
I agree with you. I bought my MacBook Air M1 with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB in April at 2021. I'm a system engineer and I love this laptop 😃
I’m a digital marketer and I love my macbook air m1 16GB RAM and 512GB
If I had my own office/space/RUclips studio in our home, I would probably sell my 2020 MacBook Pro and buy a M1 to have a stationary editing space. And since I don’t have a cinema camera like the C200, I think the 16GB would be enough for me 😊
Same here, I will get a MacBook Pro when they update the larger ones! It's a really solid little machine, just really early in the new product cycle. Either way 16gb, ram is ram there is no magic ram. (yet)
Picking up one next week :) thx for the advice
M1 8gb for basic needs works perfectly.
Really high-quality video, thanks for posting!! Subbed 🤙
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching and the compliment James!
Just upgraded to the 8gig RAM Mac Mini from my late 2014 model Mac Mini. Definitely better and faster than what I was using, but still a lot of issues when using Final Cut.
Adding text or editing them on projects has led to the infinite beach ball and force closing the app which I hate doing. Also, about half of my plugins no longer work on Silicon. Not that big of a deal, but I still wish I had known that before I got it.
Apple products have always seemed very give and take to me. Maybe these are issues that can be fixed in future program updates.
Yeah that's a huge leap in performance from the 2014 mac mini to the M1! And I've had my own learning pains in the past that I kinda of knew the 8gb would be an issue, but ram is ram, and if the computer has it, it will use it! One work around I have heard about is to keep your footage and project files on an external ssd and allow the internal ssd to pick up the slack for the lack of ram. I haven't tried it myself yet, but it may help if you aren't already doing so.
Thanks for watching and the comment Holden!
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That's what we do in edit studios all the time. We have the Mac Pros but internal storage on Macs are shit expensive. So, work out if external ssd drives. Saves time, is portable and the machine's performance is highly optimized.
Make sure you are on an updated version of FinalCut, not saying you have the torrent but if you copied your drive from before you have the old Final Cut and instant issues in here. I am running the 16gb mini and can legit edit 5k footage like butter, better than my Gaming PC with a AMD ryzen 3900
How bad is the Swap Gate as of now. Awesome video 👍🏻
It still gets pretty packed and lot's of apps closing is needed to keep the system running smooth. Thanks for watching and the comment!
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You do intel Macs used swap memory too I not sure that is what your issue was just wondering if you were booting Mac OS off external ssd because if you did that could be your issue
It was booted off the internal drive. The swap memory was being over used, especially with really long video clips. Even with the 16gb some performance issues are still present.
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Nice video with good explains. But why did you not upgrade your 8GB-model with 32GB RAM?
Could you please do a heavy multitasking test on the M1 16GB unit? Would love to see over 1,000 to 1,500 processes running with over 20 apps running with hundreds of tabs open in Chrome, Chromium, Firefox, Brave and Safari. Really would love to see how strong this device is in the multitasking area and what it really takes to bring it to its knees... Would like to see multiple Terminals running with `htop` from MacPorts or Homebrew running to get an idea of what's happening under the hood.
Hey @RafaelLudwig did you faced heavy ssd swapping during your video edits on your m1 mac mini
Was seeing the video flickering issue myself. Definitely would have taken me a while to think it was a codex issue. Great diagnosis!
I went one by one trying to figure out why that footage was flickering. Drove me a bit batty!
Apple needs a M1 Mac Mini Pro with 32GB and 64GB options
Yes Please! That would be awesome right now! Yes yes YES this 100%
Thanks for watching and the comment Jo!
Thanks for this!