@@Dimadubinin1989 In both cases I would seriously URGE you to get the PC versions. Some games are better on console, others PC. As for specific reasons: Pathfinder has a LOT of spells & skills. On the PC version you have the hotkeys, & another area on the left side of the screen that you can open up for even more individual abilities & spells for each character. With regard to Wasteland 3, it's MUCH easier to target "background" items in PC WL3 then the console counterpart (exploding barrels, mines, etc). It's even easier to get the drop on foes in the game compared to the console counterpart, at least for myself it was.
Really great review. It's always refreshing to discover a smaller channel with such professional content. As a huge rpg fan looks like you've got lots of other videos of interest to me. Subscribed!
Wow - I want to say a massive thanks to you for such a comment! I'm glad you liked my content, and I'm always up for suggestions for new types of video (I make new content every Tuesday and Wednesday - and a news round up on Saturday) - Thanks for subscribing!
I played dnd 3.5 and later pathfinder 1st ed. for YEARS so they helped a ton with the learning curve for me lol. It's actually less daunting than the number of choices you get in pen and paper
No kidding, I passed my iPad to a new player once and went “there’s how many feats!?! How do choose, I don’t want to read all these..” lol. By the gods I love hero lab. 🤓
Same here, I'm just downloading the game, but I have played several campaigns and one-offs and DM'd couple and also have habit of making characyers for fun, so I should have it easier than most... Probably Dragonic sorceror as my first character. Althought magus might be fun, too.. Or rogue...
It only seems less daunting because your YEARS of playing the tabletop RPG are clouding the memories of how you were not over burdened with everything at first. Tabletop RPG’s with a decent DM/GM can slowly be learned over months. The PC iteration shoves everything down your throat at once.
You're very welcome! I make new content every Tues, Wednesday and Saturday there's a round up of the weeks RPG - so welcome to my channel, and I look forward to more great chats!
Thank you for this review! It's currently on sale and have been going back and forth as to whether or not to buy it. A lot of reviewers seem to be doing just the PC review; but of course I am strictly console so I wanted to see how it paired up. Overall I found your video very informative and figured for 20.00 I can't really go wrong!
Quality review. Found it fair and honest. I personally like the game but I can see those who never played a CRPG, it will be overwhelming, which could ruin their experience. So your seven out of ten is understandable. Keep up the good work.
The in depth nature of this game is definitely a plus for me. I can totally understand what you are saying though but let's be honest games like this are for a very particular niche so I guess it's something you either enjoy or you don't. I'm just hoping it's more stable than the ps4 version of pillars of eternity 2 on the ps4 that to me at least is still unplayable with 2 minute load times between every area and even room and the crashes and save file corruption, a shame as its a wonderful game but needs work. I'm definitely picking up pathfinder however and thank you for this review 👍
matthew ryan if it’s got loading times like PoE2 I will be avoiding it lol, I consider myself a patient man but I gave up on PoE2 as I was spending more time looking at loading screens then actually playing the game!
The load times are better than two minutes, so you won't have to kill too much time between action - I think for PoE2 you could pop and make a coffee. I totally agree it suits some people and not others. I liked it, but I wasn't a fan of feeling lost, despite the tutorials - when I finally started to get it I really enjoyed it. It does seem like the developer is quite responsive, so I'm hopeful those crashes and bugs will get fixed ASAP!
It's not as bad as that - so don't panic! The load times are there, but they're not the worst I've ever seen - and I've played a lot of crap loading times and crashes (joys of reviewing games before they officially release).
Yea bugs, crashes, and load times ruined poe2, poe1 was honestly a better game, less content but better quality, deadfire always felt rushed and unpolished
Good review, personally l am loving this game. Highly addictive, l actually like the fact that it doesnt hold your hand. At the start l had similar issues with the game crashing but since the update l have had no issues.
I'm really glad you're enjoying it! What are you playing on? I know there was a 7GB update the other day on PS4 and I hear it might have fixed a bunch of the crashes!
@@RoyMcCoy l am playing on the PS4, l also had it freeze a few times when there were a lot of enemies on screen, update seems so far to have made it a better gaming experience and haven't had any issues since then.
Hahaha if you’re drooling, it might be lust at first sight haha. It’s a good looking game... so maybe love at first sight it is, but it takes a while to get to grips with it. Well Worth a play if you have some cash to spend.
@@RoyMcCoy well I'm a big d&d/pathfinder fan and i love Baldurs gate and Icewind Dale as well as the other d&d CRPGs. I also play tabletop with my brother and friends. Point I'm trying to make is that this game is gunna send my social life to the negative planes😂
Movement speed is a huge thing for me. Divinity original sin for ps4 was great, but movement outside of combat TOOK SO LONG, especially in the first town where you had to continually travel to the opposite sides
Ok so I know the video is kinda old, but I really want to get this game on ps4. I heard it's really buggy, but all the content just looks so damn good. Is it worth getting now ? I'm willing to tolerate xcom 2 ps4 levels of jank.
Maybe this review finally will make me try this game. Been thinking, this is based on Pathfinder, one of their most popular Adventure Path. Here's hoping a developer will try to make Curse of Strahd from D&D 5e into a video game....
Cracking review, mate. I like your structure. Brilliantly presented with no wiff-waff. Not a massive amount of info out there for this one yet so it's much appreciated. Think I'm gonna wait for a sale on this doozy though. No hardship, I still have Pillars of Eternity and Divinity to play in my backlog anyhoo. :) Thanks for this. Look forward to browsing the rest of your channel. Keep on Truckin!
you can speed up combat speed in options. Unfortunately, land movement outside of combat can only be increased with spells/items or by clicking a location on the map. I wish this could be fixed as well.
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it! Yeah, the land movement really stressed me, so hopefully they’ll add the option at some point - It’s a simple quality of life issue that can really improve the game. What other sorts of games do you enjoy?
Alright, on the ps4 version I had been playing for 25 hours and was sitting right outside of the Staglords castle. As soon as I rested, it crashed so I sent in a report. When I tried to continue, it brought me to the sign in page, same as when I tried to load one if my saves...ANY...OF...MY...SAVES! So how do I get that time back, those characters back and message it back?
Game is nearly unplayable on ps4 due to constant crash, feezing, soft lock when you sleep at oleg's, not to mention slow asf move speed and the timed quest that make you miss a lot of things if you're not optimal wich when you have an actual life and you can't replay a game 927228 times. Apart from that that's a neat game loved it.
All in all, great review. Only gripe, which almost made me click away, (glad I didn't, and only almost did because I was already in a mood) is when you said its based on the "pathfinder dungeons and dragons game". Pathfinder is a separate game by a different company. Very similar games, and pathfinder is compatible with dnd 3.5
Hey Cameron, thanks for your honesty and I’m glad you stuck with it. Yeah, my bad on the mixing of the two games up. I’ll be honest, having played this, it made me want to find a group of people and try pathfinder - the coronavirus lockdowns everywhere don’t bloody help though! What other games are you into?
@@RoyMcCoy pathfinder is a great game, if youre looking for table top. A little more complicated than dnd 5e, to get into, but its has wayyyyy more customization. Kingmaker does a pretty good job of showing that, but the actual game has even more options. Currently I've been playing pathfinder 2nd edition, which has been out a little over a year. Again, more complicated than 5e, but far more customization even in these early stages of its release. 5e is still fantastic if youre looking to get into table top. Lots of options and online resources to get you started. Finding a group is always hard. There are a ton of online communities though, especially for 5e
@@camerondyer4859 the thing I like about pathfinder over dnd is more what I would not like in dnd and that's the advantage roll system. When I get a buff, I want an actual numerical value and generally one that can be stacked, not just another dice roll. And you can't even stack advantages either I think. I also like pathfinder cmb cmd system. It just feels more real. Disclaimer, I'm pretty new to ttrpg but have been paying a pathfinder campaign for 2-3 years.
Liked the review sir, got my sub. Great work and I appreciate the in depth look at many details. Reminds me a bit of ACG reviews but he tends to only hit the mainstream games. Not enough people get to those non triple a titles.
Thank pal! I've been lax on reviews of late due to ... not having a PS5 - but I may have a couple in the pipeline including king of seas! Plus - you might see in my Valhalla video I'm quite going off of mainstream games haha
@@RoyMcCoy happy to help. Good luck with your channel. Mine grew organically. Then RUclips changed the rules, monetizing and I find it hard to be motivated to edit and upload new content. Consistency is key. Keep at it.
Thanks! I'm really glad you enjoyed it! I'm dropping my News Round-up today, and my next review will be late Wednesday (Embargo deadline) of Wasteland 3!
Thanks for letting me know :). I played this game without much knowledge of the tabletop experience, but I have to say I'm really intrigued and curious about playing it now. Are you into the table top experience?
Three things about Pathfinder: -35 seconds is a huge 20sec increase from the previous cooldown of 10. He can no longer swing away like a spiderman but it’s now a one time get out of jail free card X amount of distance. Use only begins with a drone to swing on or a jump pad. 25 seconds is reasonable. -kingmaker is an interesting skin. Servin MRVN seems to be the one of choice. -The newest season introduced a new passive. The zip line gun gets a 10 second cooldown from 120 to 60 seconds WHEN you use a survey beacon. Essentially meaning you have to endure 6 rings for quicker zips, the risk doesn’t fully match the reward and at most times, it’s hard to rotate through every beacon with crafting materials around, devotions, treasure packs, and that pesky enemy team with volt smgs. In conclusion I hope needed changes and adjustments are completed accordingly. I don’t want most of us holding our breath for the seventh iteration in November!
Glad you enjoyed it! It's definitely worth picking up if you're craving for some Baldur's Gate style action. Have you tried Divinity: Original Sin as well?
I got this on the Xbox and the freezing and corrupt save files is it’s own specific rng based roll system. Never did I get a nat 20... always ones or twos
Great review, and I'd like to ask. As you levelled up, were the dice rolls better? Or were you still missing hits at higher levels at the same rate at lower levels?
I think you a re e underselling how fantastic this game is for people who actually either know or want to learn to play pathfinder/D&D. The difficulty and knowledge is part of what makes it so extremely engaging. Dont turn down the difficulty. It's like playing dark souls on easy mode.
Very subjective. It is a single player game that should be played with the options that fit the player him/herself, not the options that please others. You are paying money for it, play it as you want or as you enjoy it the most. 🙄
Thanks - glad you liked it. Yeah, I must admit having played this, Im really curious to experience the pen and paper game. When I first got the review code, I had no idea how extensive the community was - so I reviewed it as a gamer picking it up for the first time. A lot of people will see this thinking they’re getting a Diablo or Baldur’s Gate, and be confused. It’s the reason I reckon this is not for everyone, but it does a good job and initiating people into the principles of the table top experience. I for one will try and find a group who play it near where I live.
Great review! Now I will note, part of the reason you were confused on mechanics is because pathfinder as a game system is VERY confusing for new people. But this helped me decide to wait on buying it on ps4
Have you played Divinity Original Sins 1 or 2. I know they aren’t exactly similar. Just curious of the comparisons. I need to get back in to Divinity 2, honestly I felt kinda lost while playing, story and gameplay.
Roy McCoy to me yes but that’s not saying much lol. Graphics are top notch as is the music. The story is a bit confusing . I was having some issue understanding the games mechanics but maybe I need to slow down a bit. Maybe some outside videos and tutorials would help. I’ve starting it over so many times that the thought of slogging thru the starting area again is a real turnoff.
@@RoyMcCoy no not really it's they good at subtly guideing you. The mechanics are also I lot easier to understand. Fort joy is a bit confusing as it's not explained the best but once you get passed it it's not to bad.
It seems to be a recuring theme among tabletop versions of prewritten Pathfinder campaigns to be overly difficult for the party. Maybe it's because Pathfinder's core fan base is made up of min-maxers and power gamers, and I don't mean that in any negative light. So, I don't think there's anything wrong with having to play Pathfinder: Kingmaker, the video game, on easy difficulty.
I adore it, but I'm biased (I was a kickstarter backer for this & also for Wrath of the Righteous). With turn based mode now official it's like an entirely new game. For better & worse I'm glad you didn't see this game when it initially came out, after chapter 02 it was a buggy mess on PC, which was why the reviews were mixed. I mean the bugs REALLY HURT what was otherwise a really good "old skool" single player party based RPG. Hopefully OwlCat learned their lesson & won't release Wrath of the Righteous until it's bug free. The game is a HUGE time sink folks. I spent all of 238 hours finding everything, & this was before the DLCs hit.
I really found it a lot of fun on PS4, but it was also a bit of a buggy mess on release. That said, a patch has done a lot of good for it, but it still needs some work. I know it's better on PC, but I hope the PS4 is heading in the right direction with the patches - I wish a lot of companies would release games that worked well on day one! It's the bane of my life.
Can you tell me how to level up my characters I have been going nuts for hours to figure this out. I go to my characters sheet shows I need to level but it wont give me a option to level up. I just got to olegs and in the rest phase.
I take it you’re on console? PS4? It’s really clunky on the console - I know exactly where you are in the game. I’ll be totally honest, I had issues with this. I ended up leaving that area, assembling my team, and levelling them up on the map screen. Now, I know they’ve patched it since I reviewed this, so whether they’ve fixed it, I’ll double check. You have to select the character you want to upgrade - make them your party leader. Then go into their character page. You have to scroll through to one of the other pages. And at the bottom it tells you which button to press to level up. The process of allocating points is clunky, and you have to rinse and repeat for each character. Let me know if this helps. I’ll have another look and give you a step by step process of youre on PS4 if it’s still not clear.
Halp! Game hard and doesn't hold my hand...this is your gripe, seriously? I mean I get the port issues but a game that makes you think, adjust, and experiment is not a fault imo.
I love a challenge, but I think my issues with the load times, the porting issues and crashing and some of the quality of life features missing like a moveable camera and running combined with that early save corruption made the fact that it wasn't clear at times what was going on much more frustrating. I love tough and tricky games and often (if I'm not reviewing them) I'll stick them on hard. I also like games that make me experiment - but there's a difference between hard and confusing for me, when things are unclear it can make a game tough to start and fall in love with. I had a similar feeling with Fairy Tail, but that relates more to the fact that you needed to know years of backstory before playing.
Yes, it is - for some reason I could swear my brain read enhanced edition when I got the review code, but absolutely, yes - it's the definitive edition on PS4
haha your comment made me smile, so thank you! I do like it, and from a neutral and first glance, has a lot in common with BG, but it's very much its own beast and it works well. The comparisons are obvious to make, but it does its own thing and I respect that. I just made a video on KOTOR and when I spoke about Bioware - the moment I mentioned BG in passing, I thought 'Christian is going to think I'm obsessed'. haha bit.ly/WHT_KOTOR
If you liked those games, then there's a fair chance you'll enjoy this. There's a lot of reading around the game to be done, but once I knew what I was doing I liked it a lot. It's not the easiest game to get into, but I really enjoyed it once I did. My advice is to watch a few videos and wait till if it's on sale if still in doubt.
So sad that new games like this and pillars of eternity are so glitchy. I dont get why its so hard to port these over. Long loading times and crashes for 2d isometric games are not acceptable in 2020.
I am worried about the crashes. And that is what has stopped me from buying the game. Have they been fixed by now February 2021? EDIT: I will stay away from this game for completely. It looks to be a good game, but I have been doing research and it seems the game is a total buggy mess with a lot issues (even saving your progress is a bug fest!), it is such an effort to play it. I am getting tired of this new era of videogames that are released without proper care and those incompetent developers expect one to wait patiently for them to fix their mess when it is obvious they didn't even care to test their product. But they can't wait for taking the money from your hands, can they? Well, I am avoiding this buggy trash.
Roy McCoy, sadly very few made videos specifically for pathfinder and the few that have will pop up after typing “pathfinder rpg”. Prepare for a hoard of we rules lawyers though lol, just don’t put up with the hagglers or they’ll never stop. 😛
Me: "Its pathfinder but it's a video game, so all my problems with that system being complicated for the sake of being complicated should be taken care of by automation." Watches review: "this game is fun but overly complicated." :(
Clinton Chapdelaine this is the reason I stick to the pc for games like this. If I want a quick fix that’ll keep me busy for maybe an hour I’ll play a console game. The reason many games are trash nowadays is because devs are trying to cater to both pc and console crowds. They are completely different. I believe diablo 3 would’ve been just as good as 2 if the devs didn’t have console in mind as well. Diablo 2 was a masterpiece and never got dumbed down to fit the console crowd.
i find the game actually unplayabe. Trying to get past the the Varnhold vanishing chapter is nearly impossible without turning of the ps4 every 30min preemptively to avoid crashing, the season of bloom chapter is where all the problems begin and it only gets worse from here. but with frame rates slowing to less than 10fps and consistent crashes for playing more than an hour. its unplayable still
Video game RPG's need a new genre name. They barely have any actual role-playing in them. I played Disco Elysium and considering the praise it got, it constantly allows players to contradict any semblance of character definition. This game looks 99% open-world adventure with stats, 1% character based role-playing.
DO NOT BUY THIS GAME. It crashes, freezes and slows down all the time. Developers have no intention to fix the console port as they are focusing on the sequel. Do not give them any of your hard earned cash for a broken product.
I had to stop. I feel like you were explaining your review more than the game and every critique about the game, when it came up, was couched with how you'll explain it later and you talked more about your review.
1) You prefer baldur's gate because it's better? 2) Is this a review or a comparison to baldur's gate? 3) You blame the dice rolls, imply their tainted? 4) It's not fun to play any RPG knowing everything you need to know before hand. 5) I agree with you that playing this requires lots of patience. 6) All in all I don't like your review much.
1) I think the port to console was better for BG than this (I’m reviewing on PS4, not PC). On PC, I have since played this and I can see it’s a lot better there and I can say I prefer neither. Both, equally as good. 2) PS4 review with a frame of reference for people who have no idea what it is. 3) It feels unbalanced on PS4, but not on PC. My review should now say it shouldn’t have been ported. 4) true, but with the other issues, the crashing and quality of life issues like lack of ability to spin the camera, I didn’t want to know anything, I wanted to feel a little less overwhelmed. I think that came more from the crashing. 5) it does, but I can say honestly that on PC - this is a brilliant game I could really get into and love. Sat across from a TV 2 metres away, with lots of crashing issues and fiddly controls made this game more frustrating than I should have found it. 6) I can understand. Let’s hope you enjoy the next one. Pathfinder is a great game that I really want to play... on PC. I didn’t enjoy it on PS4. Someone asked me: ‘why ever would you play it on console?’ I did, because it was available. Henry, best piece of advice I could give to anyone is that If you like the looks of this, go for PC and not PS4 (I don’t know if it’s good on Xbox).
@@RoyMcCoy * The superiority of PC games like this is well established. Console players just have to make the best of it and we often settle for less. * The first console patch really improved things, did you have the patch? * I still feel this is more of a comparison to Baldur's Gate than a review due to the fact that your frame of reference is one game. * I'm glad it was ported so more people like me can play it. * It doesn't sound like you think much of console gaming, maybe you should limit your reviews to PC games. Console players should review console games, not PC gamers.
@@henryseldon6077 Ironically enough, I'm the other way round - I'm a massive PS4 gamer. I only just got my first gaming PC and while I enjoy it, I still prefer life on my PS4. I want to say, by the way, that I genuinely appreciate your feedback as I can learn and improve from it! I did indeed get the patch, and it made it a hell of a lot better. What console are you playing it on? I think actually, with that question, you've hit the nail on the head. I have always been a console gamer, because I hated patching. Back in the day, the facility to patch didn't exist on console, but now, especially with this generation of console it's really nightmarish - not that I don't appreciate fixing things, my question is more - why should single player console games need fixing on week one?! I've heard the argument that it saves money and time on QandA, but it's really frustrating. I've actually been working on a video called 'the evils of patching'. The thing is, when we review a game, we get a code from the developers and it's the 1.0 version. I once reviewed a game that you couldn't get off the start screen - I couldn't even score it until a patch came. The problem is, as soon as a patch comes a long, a review is outdated. So what I reviewed is somewhat different to what you're playing now. (I hope). My review, though, was not as savage as some. I enjoyed the story, the combat options I felt were good - even if it did seem a bit frustrating on version 1.0 with the lack of hits - these guys were a bit more savage about the combat than I was (they also didn't much seem to like the story, which I did): thenerdstash.com/pathfinder-kingmaker-definitive-edition-review-flawed-fun/ I gave it a 7/10 cause it's a good fun game, but from what I've seen and heard - the problems were the same issues that had already been fixed ages before on the PC version. So, if they were aware... why not fix before launch? I tried it on the PC, cause it showed me where the PS4 version is hopefully heading after they've ironed out the bugs - in fact, without those crashing elements I'd have probably gone to 8 and not found it so overwhelming.
@@RoyMcCoy As I appreciate your well thought out, meaningful dialog. I really thought you sounded more like a PC gamer, which I may become some day. Games are released too early, it's become the norm, then the patches follow. It's not ideal, but we're stuck with it for now. I agree with your 7/10 rating. Some games you really have to love to play and this may be one of them. Pillars of Eternity comes to mind. I love games that you can invest a lot of time into, they have depth and complexity. I'm a PS4 gamer and only play RPG/Adventure games. Thanks and good talking with you.
There's a reason when you look at the video length that it seems like he's telling the truth when he says "in depth". because he spends the first 30% of the video talking about himself, how he THINKS he reviews games, how he needs your money, how he wants your money, how he wants your likes, how he wants your views and your comments, how he wants your patreon, want want want want want,
Haha! When I wrote for a gaming website, I was always told to compare with other games as a frame of reference for the reader - so they could picture it a bit better. I think the problem was that I mentioned one game about a million times haha! I'll try an vary my comparisons a bit more in future.
It's pretty solid, but there was so crashing when I reviewed it - not as bad as POE, but it was there - that said - it's just had a 7GB patch which may have fixed quite of a few of the issues!
That’s a very good point ahha. I saw one running at three minutes. Most reviews seem to be around 3-5 minutes... anything more than 11 and the drop off is intense. I take your point though... I could quite happily do a much longer critique of some games of about 30-40 minutes - so you’ve actually given me food for thought.
I'm sorry but you can't have an in-depth review in 9 minutes, and this is certainly not an in-depth one ;-) I don't understand why you'd have to spend time on RUclips etc. "trying to understand the full extent of the game", because it's pretty straightforward, and as every single CRPG, there are wikies to summarize the information (perhaps if you took the time to elaborate?). "Designed for PC" yes, agreed, I don't undestand why they'd port that to console, it's indeed a different audience. Your main gripe is "I had no idea what I was doing at times / game doesn't inform me"... Firstly, from your review it doesn't seem that you played it very long, and it's normal to be a bit lost at the beginning of a new CRPG. Secondly, the journal is very thorough and even shows the type of quests and their progress, there are also indications on the towns about which quests are awaiting, I find this is already more than enough. The problem is that nowadays, people expect a pointer "what to do next" and an arrow on NPCs that give quests or allow to progress in them, like in Ubisoft's games. And there is even a map... personally I find it's already way too much pointers. Paying attention to the narrative should already give all the information the player needs. Let the people actually *think* again. "Tutorial over-complicated"? May I ask if you are actually familiar with RPGs, because I simply can't recognize the game you describe at this point. Or perhaps you were unlucky to test it on the new Definitive edition, which probably needs some ironing out. I had zero freeze or problem so far (but I stopped a little before this last update), and haven't lost any saved games. My advice: have a look at the Pathfinder rulebook (1st edition) to get familiar with this sytem, which allows for more freedom in character evolution than D&D, wait for the game to get some hotfixes, and take the time to play it enough to give a review. Then take the time to elaborate and justify your claims, because otherwise we can hardly acknowledge them.
Regarding "guess" - it's actually the most interesting process, having to deduce bits from time to time. It's how life works. Don't encourage game makers and other people to think everything should be spoon-fed to people. Otherwise you may end up with silly people electing the wrong president.
Hey there! Thanks for your comment. I think the biggest issue I had was the mistake of playing this game on the console. The version I reviewed of this game was the PS4 Definitive Edition, so I came at it as a console gamer. I know it's been on PC for a while, but there will be a number of people who have never heard of this before, and pick it up for the first time on console. In my opinion, this game is perfect for PC - and didn't work amazingly on console. Yes, there were a number of quality of life issues that I felt didn't work. For example, a lack of running and the ability to spin camera (I believe this last one isn't an issue on the PC version). The other problem was the freezing and crashing that happened to much. Now, I got the press release press code to review, but the amount of times I had to reboot the game made it difficult to get a momentum while playing it. Then, there was the issue my save corrupted - which meant I have to start again. A lot of the footage in the video was from early on, cause I hate ruining stories for people and I put a fair few hours into the game, but I'd imagine that being a PC fan would have put more into it because the game has been available there for a lot longer. The more I played this game, the better it got and more I understood. I think my feeling of being lost didn't come from a need for a pointers - actually I understood what I had to do and where I had to go quite easily. Somethings I felt unprepared for, like the swarm, but I knew what I had to do - I just couldn't cause I didn't have anyone with fire magic. And yes, there are times I needed a WIKI - which is pretty easy to access on a PC, but on a PS4 it's quite clunky, or you need other devices and before long your set-up of an open laptop to check something is a bit clunky. I imagine pausing the game on PC, opening a new window, reading, and then going back to it would be a lot easier. So, what did I learn? Never play these games on console when I have a decent gaming PC - I didn't make the same mistake with Wasteland 3 (I'm still playing it which is why my review isn't up yet). Sat two metres from a TV playing a new version of an established game with a controller made me feel (lost might not be the right word) overwhelmed and frustrated.
@@RoyMcCoy I understand better where those feelings are coming from, sorry if my comment was a bit patronizing. Also, I suppose that playing with a game controller takes more time than with the keyboard & mouse combo, especially for sorting out and trading items. You're right, perhaps the "spirit" on PC is also different and people don't mind putting the game on hold from time to time and checking up the rules, or looking for help. While on console, it's more awkward and people want to stay cozy with all the necessary guidance provided by the game. The game is complex, like Pillars of Eternity and some others, it probably expects a higher commitment from the players than most other games. And unlike many games, it doesn't hold the player's hand very much (still, you'll find a lot of info in Lizy's journal). Don't give up, after a little while, past this learning curve - and perhaps once it gets back to a stable version, you'll enjoy a rewarding experience :-) The camera is the same on PC but there is a mod to get higher room flexibility, and rotation! ("bag of tricks" is especially good, it includes these camera mods and many others). I think you can use it with a controller too... but I have no idea if you can install it on a console. I hope you can enjoy it anyway!
OMG, this game is ASS. At least on PS4, I haven't played the PC release. The AI sucks, enemies will fail to notice someone who shoots at them and then backs away forcing me so step back in front of the entire firing squad, after casting a spell my mage will just walk into melee combat for no good reason instead of waiting for a new command like she should and I can't choose who disables traps so when the best in the party is low on HP, I can't send in the second best for just in case it fails and goes off. The RNG is garbage, I've tracked all of my rolls over 4 hours of combat play and 60% of them were below 7 on the d20 with only 13% being above 13 Then there's the smaller things like, sorting inventory is more complicated than it needs to be, which would all be passable as it's their first game but at this point I'm like "Have they even play another Isometric RPG to see what's been done before?" For reference I've been playing D&D since 2nd, I've played Pathfinder 1 and 2, and many other tabletop RPGs that are not really all that comparable. I've play every Isometric RPG I could get my hands on. I have a lot of experience to draw on and it really just feels like the people who made this have none when it comes to the video game side of things.
I agree with everything you said - this game, on the surface, looked amazing - and I found it as frustrating and confusing as all hell - no, I don't need a pointer hinting at everything - but I don't want to spend my day on my phone in a wiki. That was just the start - the RNG was nightmarish and some of the features like the lack of camera angle changing and AI and the inventory made it feel more like a BETA - I got angrier the more I played this.
If you love RPGs, check out what happened to the PS1 classic - Vagrant Story - bit.ly/WHTVagrantStory
So basically great game crappy Port to the Console?
Yeah poor Vagrant Story, a victim of awful timing.
Westland 3 or pathfinder ps4 ?What me buy?
@@Dimadubinin1989 In both cases I would seriously URGE you to get the PC versions. Some games are better on console, others PC.
As for specific reasons: Pathfinder has a LOT of spells & skills. On the PC version you have the hotkeys, & another area on the left side of the screen that you can open up for even more individual abilities & spells for each character.
With regard to Wasteland 3, it's MUCH easier to target "background" items in PC WL3 then the console counterpart (exploding barrels, mines, etc). It's even easier to get the drop on foes in the game compared to the console counterpart, at least for myself it was.
@@Harrison11106 whats me buy? I dont play on pc,its shit in 2020
Really great review. It's always refreshing to discover a smaller channel with such professional content. As a huge rpg fan looks like you've got lots of other videos of interest to me. Subscribed!
Wow - I want to say a massive thanks to you for such a comment! I'm glad you liked my content, and I'm always up for suggestions for new types of video (I make new content every Tuesday and Wednesday - and a news round up on Saturday) - Thanks for subscribing!
I totally agree with you on his perspective and for those pointing out how you missed the swarm tool tip still miss the overnpoint of your overview.
I played dnd 3.5 and later pathfinder 1st ed. for YEARS so they helped a ton with the learning curve for me lol. It's actually less daunting than the number of choices you get in pen and paper
No kidding, I passed my iPad to a new player once and went “there’s how many feats!?! How do choose, I don’t want to read all these..” lol. By the gods I love hero lab. 🤓
Same here, I'm just downloading the game, but I have played several campaigns and one-offs and DM'd couple and also have habit of making characyers for fun, so I should have it easier than most... Probably Dragonic sorceror as my first character. Althought magus might be fun, too.. Or rogue...
It only seems less daunting because your YEARS of playing the tabletop RPG are clouding the memories of how you were not over burdened with everything at first. Tabletop RPG’s with a decent DM/GM can slowly be learned over months. The PC iteration shoves everything down your throat at once.
@@Carfilliot true
Finally, good console review, thank you, good sir!
You're very welcome! I make new content every Tues, Wednesday and Saturday there's a round up of the weeks RPG - so welcome to my channel, and I look forward to more great chats!
Thank you for this review! It's currently on sale and have been going back and forth as to whether or not to buy it. A lot of reviewers seem to be doing just the PC review; but of course I am strictly console so I wanted to see how it paired up. Overall I found your video very informative and figured for 20.00 I can't really go wrong!
Playing on PS5 and I love this game. You have to live this type of game and know the rules or get to know them.
Quality review. Found it fair and honest. I personally like the game but I can see those who never played a CRPG, it will be overwhelming, which could ruin their experience. So your seven out of ten is understandable.
Keep up the good work.
The in depth nature of this game is definitely a plus for me. I can totally understand what you are saying though but let's be honest games like this are for a very particular niche so I guess it's something you either enjoy or you don't. I'm just hoping it's more stable than the ps4 version of pillars of eternity 2 on the ps4 that to me at least is still unplayable with 2 minute load times between every area and even room and the crashes and save file corruption, a shame as its a wonderful game but needs work. I'm definitely picking up pathfinder however and thank you for this review 👍
matthew ryan if it’s got loading times like PoE2 I will be avoiding it lol, I consider myself a patient man but I gave up on PoE2 as I was spending more time looking at loading screens then actually playing the game!
The load times are better than two minutes, so you won't have to kill too much time between action - I think for PoE2 you could pop and make a coffee. I totally agree it suits some people and not others. I liked it, but I wasn't a fan of feeling lost, despite the tutorials - when I finally started to get it I really enjoyed it. It does seem like the developer is quite responsive, so I'm hopeful those crashes and bugs will get fixed ASAP!
It's not as bad as that - so don't panic! The load times are there, but they're not the worst I've ever seen - and I've played a lot of crap loading times and crashes (joys of reviewing games before they officially release).
Yea bugs, crashes, and load times ruined poe2, poe1 was honestly a better game, less content but better quality, deadfire always felt rushed and unpolished
The load times are nowhere near as long as POE 2. Actually stopped playing it for that reason.
This is a really good review. You didn't beat around the bush and said it as it is, excellent job.
Good review, personally l am loving this game. Highly addictive, l actually like the fact that it doesnt hold your hand. At the start l had similar issues with the game crashing but since the update l have had no issues.
I'm really glad you're enjoying it! What are you playing on? I know there was a 7GB update the other day on PS4 and I hear it might have fixed a bunch of the crashes!
@@RoyMcCoy l am playing on the PS4, l also had it freeze a few times when there were a lot of enemies on screen, update seems so far to have made it a better gaming experience and haven't had any issues since then.
"It isn't love at first sight"
*already drooling*
Hahaha if you’re drooling, it might be lust at first sight haha. It’s a good looking game... so maybe love at first sight it is, but it takes a while to get to grips with it. Well
Worth a play if you have some cash to spend.
@@RoyMcCoy well I'm a big d&d/pathfinder fan and i love Baldurs gate and Icewind Dale as well as the other d&d CRPGs. I also play tabletop with my brother and friends. Point I'm trying to make is that this game is gunna send my social life to the negative planes😂
Movement speed is a huge thing for me. Divinity original sin for ps4 was great, but movement outside of combat TOOK SO LONG, especially in the first town where you had to continually travel to the opposite sides
My good sir you nailed exactly what my experience has been so far.
I'm glad you agreed - it's a good game, but I did feel like a dog that had just been given a cat trick at times!
@@RoyMcCoy I'm more of a fan of D20/ 3.5 rules over 2nd Edition D&D. This might be more for me than Baldur's Gate.
Ok so I know the video is kinda old, but I really want to get this game on ps4. I heard it's really buggy, but all the content just looks so damn good. Is it worth getting now ? I'm willing to tolerate xcom 2 ps4 levels of jank.
$12 at best buy US right now!
Was hoping for a console review, thanks
You're very welcome :)
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Maybe this review finally will make me try this game. Been thinking, this is based on Pathfinder, one of their most popular Adventure Path. Here's hoping a developer will try to make Curse of Strahd from D&D 5e into a video game....
Cracking review, mate. I like your structure. Brilliantly presented with no wiff-waff.
Not a massive amount of info out there for this one yet so it's much appreciated. Think I'm gonna wait for a sale on this doozy though. No hardship, I still have Pillars of Eternity and Divinity to play in my backlog anyhoo. :)
Thanks for this. Look forward to browsing the rest of your channel. Keep on Truckin!
you can speed up combat speed in options. Unfortunately, land movement outside of combat can only be increased with spells/items or by clicking a location on the map. I wish this could be fixed as well.
Great review
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it! Yeah, the land movement really stressed me, so hopefully they’ll add the option at some point - It’s a simple quality of life issue that can really improve the game. What other sorts of games do you enjoy?
The fact that you have to look up extra stuff just makes it more like pathfinder
I can see that. And to be honest, playing it made me more intrigued to play the original non-video game format. When lockdown ends...
This is supposed to release on the switch. DOS2 on the switch is amazing, POE not so much. Will have to wait for reviews.
I can ask some of my colleagues if they’ve played it on switch. I think I’m going to try DOS2... next big review on here will be Wasteland 3.
Alright, on the ps4 version I had been playing for 25 hours and was sitting right outside of the Staglords castle.
As soon as I rested, it crashed so I sent in a report.
When I tried to continue, it brought me to the sign in page, same as when I tried to load one if my saves...ANY...OF...MY...SAVES!
So how do I get that time back, those characters back and message it back?
Not had any problems what's so ever on Xbox one X. The best crpg on console for me
I'm really glad you're enjoying it! I had a few issues, but I might have just been unlucky, or it might be a PS4 thing.
Game is nearly unplayable on ps4 due to constant crash, feezing, soft lock when you sleep at oleg's, not to mention slow asf move speed and the timed quest that make you miss a lot of things if you're not optimal wich when you have an actual life and you can't replay a game 927228 times. Apart from that that's a neat game loved it.
Ty for a very informative review.
You're very welcome :)
All in all, great review. Only gripe, which almost made me click away, (glad I didn't, and only almost did because I was already in a mood) is when you said its based on the "pathfinder dungeons and dragons game". Pathfinder is a separate game by a different company. Very similar games, and pathfinder is compatible with dnd 3.5
Hey Cameron, thanks for your honesty and I’m glad you stuck with it. Yeah, my bad on the mixing of the two games up. I’ll be honest, having played this, it made me want to find a group of people and try pathfinder - the coronavirus lockdowns everywhere don’t bloody help though! What other games are you into?
@@RoyMcCoy pathfinder is a great game, if youre looking for table top. A little more complicated than dnd 5e, to get into, but its has wayyyyy more customization. Kingmaker does a pretty good job of showing that, but the actual game has even more options. Currently I've been playing pathfinder 2nd edition, which has been out a little over a year. Again, more complicated than 5e, but far more customization even in these early stages of its release. 5e is still fantastic if youre looking to get into table top. Lots of options and online resources to get you started. Finding a group is always hard. There are a ton of online communities though, especially for 5e
@@camerondyer4859 the thing I like about pathfinder over dnd is more what I would not like in dnd and that's the advantage roll system. When I get a buff, I want an actual numerical value and generally one that can be stacked, not just another dice roll. And you can't even stack advantages either I think. I also like pathfinder cmb cmd system. It just feels more real. Disclaimer, I'm pretty new to ttrpg but have been paying a pathfinder campaign for 2-3 years.
Liked the review sir, got my sub. Great work and I appreciate the in depth look at many details. Reminds me a bit of ACG reviews but he tends to only hit the mainstream games. Not enough people get to those non triple a titles.
Thank pal! I've been lax on reviews of late due to ... not having a PS5 - but I may have a couple in the pipeline including king of seas! Plus - you might see in my Valhalla video I'm quite going off of mainstream games haha
You need timestamps in description for each step.
That's a really good point - I'm going to add them! Thanks for the suggestion.
@@RoyMcCoy happy to help. Good luck with your channel. Mine grew organically. Then RUclips changed the rules, monetizing and I find it hard to be motivated to edit and upload new content.
Consistency is key. Keep at it.
Great review! Very informative and well
Organized
Thanks! I'm really glad you enjoyed it! I'm dropping my News Round-up today, and my next review will be late Wednesday (Embargo deadline) of Wasteland 3!
I think the proper nomenclature is Pathfinder RPG, not Pathfinder D&D. Pathfinder 1e was based off of D&D 3.5 but it is its own animal.
Thanks for letting me know :). I played this game without much knowledge of the tabletop experience, but I have to say I'm really intrigued and curious about playing it now. Are you into the table top experience?
Three things about Pathfinder:
-35 seconds is a huge 20sec increase from the previous cooldown of 10. He can no longer swing away like a spiderman but it’s now a one time get out of jail free card X amount of distance. Use only begins with a drone to swing on or a jump pad. 25 seconds is reasonable.
-kingmaker is an interesting skin. Servin MRVN seems to be the one of choice.
-The newest season introduced a new passive. The zip line gun gets a 10 second cooldown from 120 to 60 seconds WHEN you use a survey beacon. Essentially meaning you have to endure 6 rings for quicker zips, the risk doesn’t fully match the reward and at most times, it’s hard to rotate through every beacon with crafting materials around, devotions, treasure packs, and that pesky enemy team with volt smgs.
In conclusion I hope needed changes and adjustments are completed accordingly. I don’t want most of us holding our breath for the seventh iteration in November!
Good review mate & congrats on the huge view count :-O
Thanks pal! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the review
You're very welcome! :) Thanks for your comment!
Great review man. Really miss these old Baldurs Gate type rpgs so will prob pick it up 🙂
Glad you enjoyed it! It's definitely worth picking up if you're craving for some Baldur's Gate style action. Have you tried Divinity: Original Sin as well?
But I have to say that I prefer Baldur's Gate to this, and if it's been a while you could always pick that up on console as well.
@@RoyMcCoy Divinity 2 is my favorite rpg ever 😊😊
I got this on the Xbox and the freezing and corrupt save files is it’s own specific rng based roll system. Never did I get a nat 20... always ones or twos
The PS4 version got a 7GB update, and I hear some of the crashes may have been fixed - anything like that for Xbox Version?
Great review, and I'd like to ask. As you levelled up, were the dice rolls better? Or were you still missing hits at higher levels at the same rate at lower levels?
Cool review mate. Keep it up!
Thank you so much! I try to review all the latest RPGs, and I'm currently working on Wasteland 3 ... Thanks for watching, pal!
Good review, covered all bases...
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it! I do three videos a week, Tuesday, Wednesday and a news round-up every Saturday!
I think you a re e underselling how fantastic this game is for people who actually either know or want to learn to play pathfinder/D&D.
The difficulty and knowledge is part of what makes it so extremely engaging. Dont turn down the difficulty. It's like playing dark souls on easy mode.
Very subjective.
It is a single player game that should be played with the options that fit the player him/herself, not the options that please others. You are paying money for it, play it as you want or as you enjoy it the most. 🙄
Good quality stuff.. however you are mentioning like pathfinder isn't already a pen and paper rpg that has been around for a long time.
Thanks - glad you liked it. Yeah, I must admit having played this, Im really curious to experience the pen and paper game. When I first got the review code, I had no idea how extensive the community was - so I reviewed it as a gamer picking it up for the first time. A lot of people will see this thinking they’re getting a Diablo or Baldur’s Gate, and be confused. It’s the reason I reckon this is not for everyone, but it does a good job and initiating people into the principles of the table top experience. I for one will try and find a group who play it near where I live.
Ok, so the 'real-time' combat actually utilizes pausing? How is that real-time?
Great review! Now I will note, part of the reason you were confused on mechanics is because pathfinder as a game system is VERY confusing for new people. But this helped me decide to wait on buying it on ps4
Did they remove the Filip Miucin easter egg?
I know the story of Filip Miucin, and if it’s still in there, I didn’t catch it haha. What should I have been looking for?
Have you played Divinity Original Sins 1 or 2. I know they aren’t exactly similar. Just curious of the comparisons. I need to get back in to Divinity 2, honestly I felt kinda lost while playing, story and gameplay.
I haven't played them yet - but they're on my list of things to review and play through - are they pretty confusing as well?
Roy McCoy to me yes but that’s not saying much lol. Graphics are top notch as is the music. The story is a bit confusing . I was having some issue understanding the games mechanics but maybe I need to slow down a bit. Maybe some outside videos and tutorials would help. I’ve starting it over so many times that the thought of slogging thru the starting area again is a real turnoff.
@@RoyMcCoy no not really it's they good at subtly guideing you. The mechanics are also I lot easier to understand. Fort joy is a bit confusing as it's not explained the best but once you get passed it it's not to bad.
It seems to be a recuring theme among tabletop versions of prewritten Pathfinder campaigns to be overly difficult for the party. Maybe it's because Pathfinder's core fan base is made up of min-maxers and power gamers, and I don't mean that in any negative light.
So, I don't think there's anything wrong with having to play Pathfinder: Kingmaker, the video game, on easy difficulty.
Just hope it dont freeze lock up to much I've got few games that do a little but can general make do as I'm offline only
I'm looking forward to Pathfinder: Wraith Of The Righteous on PS5. Hopefully they release a physical PS5 version :(
I feel this way about most CRPGs nowadays. As much as I want depth, ...I want intuitive depth.
Will they updated the pc version to have controller access
I think it dose, just don't quote me on that
I adore it, but I'm biased (I was a kickstarter backer for this & also for Wrath of the Righteous). With turn based mode now official it's like an entirely new game. For better & worse I'm glad you didn't see this game when it initially came out, after chapter 02 it was a buggy mess on PC, which was why the reviews were mixed. I mean the bugs REALLY HURT what was otherwise a really good "old skool" single player party based RPG. Hopefully OwlCat learned their lesson & won't release Wrath of the Righteous until it's bug free.
The game is a HUGE time sink folks. I spent all of 238 hours finding everything, & this was before the DLCs hit.
I really found it a lot of fun on PS4, but it was also a bit of a buggy mess on release. That said, a patch has done a lot of good for it, but it still needs some work. I know it's better on PC, but I hope the PS4 is heading in the right direction with the patches - I wish a lot of companies would release games that worked well on day one! It's the bane of my life.
Can you tell me how to level up my characters I have been going nuts for hours to figure this out. I go to my characters sheet shows I need to level but it wont give me a option to level up. I just got to olegs and in the rest phase.
I take it you’re on console? PS4? It’s really clunky on the console - I know exactly where you are in the game. I’ll be totally honest, I had issues with this. I ended up leaving that area, assembling my team, and levelling them up on the map screen. Now, I know they’ve patched it since I reviewed this, so whether they’ve fixed it, I’ll double check. You have to select the character you want to upgrade - make them your party leader. Then go into their character page. You have to scroll through to one of the other pages. And at the bottom it tells you which button to press to level up. The process of allocating points is clunky, and you have to rinse and repeat for each character. Let me know if this helps. I’ll have another look and give you a step by step process of youre on PS4 if it’s still not clear.
Halp! Game hard and doesn't hold my hand...this is your gripe, seriously? I mean I get the port issues but a game that makes you think, adjust, and experiment is not a fault imo.
I love a challenge, but I think my issues with the load times, the porting issues and crashing and some of the quality of life features missing like a moveable camera and running combined with that early save corruption made the fact that it wasn't clear at times what was going on much more frustrating. I love tough and tricky games and often (if I'm not reviewing them) I'll stick them on hard. I also like games that make me experiment - but there's a difference between hard and confusing for me, when things are unclear it can make a game tough to start and fall in love with. I had a similar feeling with Fairy Tail, but that relates more to the fact that you needed to know years of backstory before playing.
@@RoyMcCoy . "There's a difference between hard and confusing."
Totally agree with this.
Great review. Will you be reviewing Wasteland 3 on ps4? :)
I want it on ps4 now super bad :( that new turn based mode is a god sent . I stopped playing on PC because that pause real time garage is horrible AF.
Definitive Edition?
Yes, it is - for some reason I could swear my brain read enhanced edition when I got the review code, but absolutely, yes - it's the definitive edition on PS4
Sorry but all i heard in this video was. "I like Baldurs gate!
haha your comment made me smile, so thank you! I do like it, and from a neutral and first glance, has a lot in common with BG, but it's very much its own beast and it works well. The comparisons are obvious to make, but it does its own thing and I respect that. I just made a video on KOTOR and when I spoke about Bioware - the moment I mentioned BG in passing, I thought 'Christian is going to think I'm obsessed'. haha bit.ly/WHT_KOTOR
I loved pillars of eternity 1 and 2 but enjoyed 1 more, will I like this Game on PS4?
If you liked those games, then there's a fair chance you'll enjoy this. There's a lot of reading around the game to be done, but once I knew what I was doing I liked it a lot. It's not the easiest game to get into, but I really enjoyed it once I did. My advice is to watch a few videos and wait till if it's on sale if still in doubt.
Thanks m8, got a sub from me!
So sad that new games like this and pillars of eternity are so glitchy. I dont get why its so hard to port these over. Long loading times and crashes for 2d isometric games are not acceptable in 2020.
Especially when you have the Baldur's Gate enhanced Edition games on console and there are no loading screens of any kind
Yeah PoE2 was unplayable because of those loading screens!
@@Carfilliot it wasnt that bad to the point of unplayable lol. plenty of people including me beat it just fine.
I love pillers of eternity 1/2 and divinity original sin 1/2 should i buy pathfinder kingmaker
the main culprit is a trashy and crappy engine called ,,Unity'' , when I see a game built on this shit I immediately give it a wide berth
5 step review. I see what you did there.
I am worried about the crashes.
And that is what has stopped me from buying the game.
Have they been fixed by now February 2021?
EDIT: I will stay away from this game for completely. It looks to be a good game, but I have been doing research and it seems the game is a total buggy mess with a lot issues (even saving your progress is a bug fest!), it is such an effort to play it.
I am getting tired of this new era of videogames that are released without proper care and those incompetent developers expect one to wait patiently for them to fix their mess when it is obvious they didn't even care to test their product.
But they can't wait for taking the money from your hands, can they?
Well, I am avoiding this buggy trash.
idk y but i just keeps crashing, non stop.
Yeah - it does that - the patch was meant to solve that, but it just feels like they've got some work to go before it's totally fixed!
Pathfinder =/= Dungeons & Dragons
I really want to learn more about the table top version of this game - is there any RUclipsrs you could recommend for me to learn more?
Roy McCoy, sadly very few made videos specifically for pathfinder and the few that have will pop up after typing “pathfinder rpg”. Prepare for a hoard of we rules lawyers though lol, just don’t put up with the hagglers or they’ll never stop. 😛
It's literally D&D 3.5+
Dude, it's "Without further A DO". not ADUE". It's not french, it's english
Me: "Its pathfinder but it's a video game, so all my problems with that system being complicated for the sake of being complicated should be taken care of by automation."
Watches review: "this game is fun but overly complicated."
:(
Clinton Chapdelaine this is the reason I stick to the pc for games like this. If I want a quick fix that’ll keep me busy for maybe an hour I’ll play a console game. The reason many games are trash nowadays is because devs are trying to cater to both pc and console crowds. They are completely different. I believe diablo 3 would’ve been just as good as 2 if the devs didn’t have console in mind as well. Diablo 2 was a masterpiece and never got dumbed down to fit the console crowd.
This game is great, but .... soo long. The story is nice, the difficulty is quite hard even in normal.
It could have been incredible, and I hope the devs one day iron out the bugs such as the RNG and clunky inventory at some point.
i find the game actually unplayabe. Trying to get past the the Varnhold vanishing chapter is nearly impossible without turning of the ps4 every 30min preemptively to avoid crashing, the season of bloom chapter is where all the problems begin and it only gets worse from here. but with frame rates slowing to less than 10fps and consistent crashes for playing more than an hour. its unplayable still
Damn, and this comment is only from one month ago.😐
So...I guess is an unplayable mess even now February 2021?
Video game RPG's need a new genre name. They barely have any actual role-playing in them.
I played Disco Elysium and considering the praise it got, it constantly allows players to contradict any semblance of character definition. This game looks 99% open-world adventure with stats, 1% character based role-playing.
What about the... *LOADING TIMES* on PS4, eh? .... lol.....
Great game
Thanks! It’s really nice and fun, but heavy going - so be prepared to do some reading around the subject.
Always have 2 savegames, basic rule for any gamer. And at diferent points, save once on each one.
Ironically, the game corrupted when I was make my first save and killed that and the autosave, so luckily I didn't lose too much - but still annoying!
DO NOT BUY THIS GAME.
It crashes, freezes and slows down all the time. Developers have no intention to fix the console port as they are focusing on the sequel.
Do not give them any of your hard earned cash for a broken product.
I had to stop. I feel like you were explaining your review more than the game and every critique about the game, when it came up, was couched with how you'll explain it later and you talked more about your review.
1) You prefer baldur's gate because it's better?
2) Is this a review or a comparison to baldur's gate?
3) You blame the dice rolls, imply their tainted?
4) It's not fun to play any RPG knowing everything you need to know before hand.
5) I agree with you that playing this requires lots of patience.
6) All in all I don't like your review much.
1) I think the port to console was better for BG than this (I’m reviewing on PS4, not PC). On PC, I have since played this and I can see it’s a lot better there and I can say I prefer neither. Both, equally as good.
2) PS4 review with a frame of reference for people who have no idea what it is.
3) It feels unbalanced on PS4, but not on PC. My review should now say it shouldn’t have been ported.
4) true, but with the other issues, the crashing and quality of life issues like lack of ability to spin the camera, I didn’t want to know anything, I wanted to feel a little less overwhelmed. I think that came more from the crashing.
5) it does, but I can say honestly that on PC - this is a brilliant game I could really get into and love. Sat across from a TV 2 metres away, with lots of crashing issues and fiddly controls made this game more frustrating than I should have found it.
6) I can understand. Let’s hope you enjoy the next one. Pathfinder is a great game that I really want to play... on PC. I didn’t enjoy it on PS4. Someone asked me: ‘why ever would you play it on console?’ I did, because it was available. Henry, best piece of advice I could give to anyone is that If you like the looks of this, go for PC and not PS4 (I don’t know if it’s good on Xbox).
@@RoyMcCoy * The superiority of PC games like this is well established. Console players just have
to make the best of it and we often settle for less.
* The first console patch really improved things, did you have the patch?
* I still feel this is more of a comparison to Baldur's Gate than a review due to
the fact that your frame of reference is one game.
* I'm glad it was ported so more people like me can play it.
* It doesn't sound like you think much of console gaming, maybe you should limit your
reviews to PC games. Console players should review console games, not PC gamers.
@@henryseldon6077 Ironically enough, I'm the other way round - I'm a massive PS4 gamer. I only just got my first gaming PC and while I enjoy it, I still prefer life on my PS4. I want to say, by the way, that I genuinely appreciate your feedback as I can learn and improve from it!
I did indeed get the patch, and it made it a hell of a lot better. What console are you playing it on? I think actually, with that question, you've hit the nail on the head. I have always been a console gamer, because I hated patching. Back in the day, the facility to patch didn't exist on console, but now, especially with this generation of console it's really nightmarish - not that I don't appreciate fixing things, my question is more - why should single player console games need fixing on week one?! I've heard the argument that it saves money and time on QandA, but it's really frustrating. I've actually been working on a video called 'the evils of patching'.
The thing is, when we review a game, we get a code from the developers and it's the 1.0 version. I once reviewed a game that you couldn't get off the start screen - I couldn't even score it until a patch came. The problem is, as soon as a patch comes a long, a review is outdated. So what I reviewed is somewhat different to what you're playing now. (I hope). My review, though, was not as savage as some. I enjoyed the story, the combat options I felt were good - even if it did seem a bit frustrating on version 1.0 with the lack of hits - these guys were a bit more savage about the combat than I was (they also didn't much seem to like the story, which I did): thenerdstash.com/pathfinder-kingmaker-definitive-edition-review-flawed-fun/
I gave it a 7/10 cause it's a good fun game, but from what I've seen and heard - the problems were the same issues that had already been fixed ages before on the PC version. So, if they were aware... why not fix before launch? I tried it on the PC, cause it showed me where the PS4 version is hopefully heading after they've ironed out the bugs - in fact, without those crashing elements I'd have probably gone to 8 and not found it so overwhelming.
@@RoyMcCoy As I appreciate your well thought out, meaningful dialog. I really thought you sounded more like a PC gamer, which I may become some day. Games are released too early, it's become the norm, then the patches follow. It's not ideal, but we're stuck with it for now. I agree with your 7/10 rating. Some games you really have to love to play and this may be one of them. Pillars of Eternity comes to mind. I love games that you can invest a lot of time into, they have depth and complexity. I'm a PS4 gamer and only play RPG/Adventure games. Thanks and good talking with you.
There's a reason when you look at the video length that it seems like he's telling the truth when he says "in depth". because he spends the first 30% of the video talking about himself, how he THINKS he reviews games, how he needs your money, how he wants your money, how he wants your likes, how he wants your views and your comments, how he wants your patreon, want want want want want,
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How to be a RUclips game critique = keep refrencing other games.
Haha! When I wrote for a gaming website, I was always told to compare with other games as a frame of reference for the reader - so they could picture it a bit better. I think the problem was that I mentioned one game about a million times haha! I'll try an vary my comparisons a bit more in future.
Poor man's Divinity?
Is it a good console port? Or is it a horrible nightmarish mountain of dog shit like pillars of eternity?
It's pretty solid, but there was so crashing when I reviewed it - not as bad as POE, but it was there - that said - it's just had a 7GB patch which may have fixed quite of a few of the issues!
since when in-depth review of the rpg of this size is 9 minutes??
That’s a very good point ahha. I saw one running at three minutes. Most reviews seem to be around 3-5 minutes... anything more than 11 and the drop off is intense. I take your point though... I could quite happily do a much longer critique of some games of about 30-40 minutes - so you’ve actually given me food for thought.
I'm sorry but you can't have an in-depth review in 9 minutes, and this is certainly not an in-depth one ;-) I don't understand why you'd have to spend time on RUclips etc. "trying to understand the full extent of the game", because it's pretty straightforward, and as every single CRPG, there are wikies to summarize the information (perhaps if you took the time to elaborate?). "Designed for PC" yes, agreed, I don't undestand why they'd port that to console, it's indeed a different audience. Your main gripe is "I had no idea what I was doing at times / game doesn't inform me"... Firstly, from your review it doesn't seem that you played it very long, and it's normal to be a bit lost at the beginning of a new CRPG. Secondly, the journal is very thorough and even shows the type of quests and their progress, there are also indications on the towns about which quests are awaiting, I find this is already more than enough. The problem is that nowadays, people expect a pointer "what to do next" and an arrow on NPCs that give quests or allow to progress in them, like in Ubisoft's games. And there is even a map... personally I find it's already way too much pointers. Paying attention to the narrative should already give all the information the player needs. Let the people actually *think* again. "Tutorial over-complicated"? May I ask if you are actually familiar with RPGs, because I simply can't recognize the game you describe at this point. Or perhaps you were unlucky to test it on the new Definitive edition, which probably needs some ironing out. I had zero freeze or problem so far (but I stopped a little before this last update), and haven't lost any saved games.
My advice: have a look at the Pathfinder rulebook (1st edition) to get familiar with this sytem, which allows for more freedom in character evolution than D&D, wait for the game to get some hotfixes, and take the time to play it enough to give a review. Then take the time to elaborate and justify your claims, because otherwise we can hardly acknowledge them.
Regarding "guess" - it's actually the most interesting process, having to deduce bits from time to time. It's how life works. Don't encourage game makers and other people to think everything should be spoon-fed to people. Otherwise you may end up with silly people electing the wrong president.
Hey there! Thanks for your comment. I think the biggest issue I had was the mistake of playing this game on the console. The version I reviewed of this game was the PS4 Definitive Edition, so I came at it as a console gamer. I know it's been on PC for a while, but there will be a number of people who have never heard of this before, and pick it up for the first time on console. In my opinion, this game is perfect for PC - and didn't work amazingly on console.
Yes, there were a number of quality of life issues that I felt didn't work. For example, a lack of running and the ability to spin camera (I believe this last one isn't an issue on the PC version). The other problem was the freezing and crashing that happened to much. Now, I got the press release press code to review, but the amount of times I had to reboot the game made it difficult to get a momentum while playing it. Then, there was the issue my save corrupted - which meant I have to start again. A lot of the footage in the video was from early on, cause I hate ruining stories for people and I put a fair few hours into the game, but I'd imagine that being a PC fan would have put more into it because the game has been available there for a lot longer.
The more I played this game, the better it got and more I understood. I think my feeling of being lost didn't come from a need for a pointers - actually I understood what I had to do and where I had to go quite easily. Somethings I felt unprepared for, like the swarm, but I knew what I had to do - I just couldn't cause I didn't have anyone with fire magic. And yes, there are times I needed a WIKI - which is pretty easy to access on a PC, but on a PS4 it's quite clunky, or you need other devices and before long your set-up of an open laptop to check something is a bit clunky. I imagine pausing the game on PC, opening a new window, reading, and then going back to it would be a lot easier.
So, what did I learn? Never play these games on console when I have a decent gaming PC - I didn't make the same mistake with Wasteland 3 (I'm still playing it which is why my review isn't up yet). Sat two metres from a TV playing a new version of an established game with a controller made me feel (lost might not be the right word) overwhelmed and frustrated.
@@RoyMcCoy I understand better where those feelings are coming from, sorry if my comment was a bit patronizing. Also, I suppose that playing with a game controller takes more time than with the keyboard & mouse combo, especially for sorting out and trading items. You're right, perhaps the "spirit" on PC is also different and people don't mind putting the game on hold from time to time and checking up the rules, or looking for help. While on console, it's more awkward and people want to stay cozy with all the necessary guidance provided by the game.
The game is complex, like Pillars of Eternity and some others, it probably expects a higher commitment from the players than most other games. And unlike many games, it doesn't hold the player's hand very much (still, you'll find a lot of info in Lizy's journal). Don't give up, after a little while, past this learning curve - and perhaps once it gets back to a stable version, you'll enjoy a rewarding experience :-)
The camera is the same on PC but there is a mod to get higher room flexibility, and rotation! ("bag of tricks" is especially good, it includes these camera mods and many others). I think you can use it with a controller too... but I have no idea if you can install it on a console. I hope you can enjoy it anyway!
OMG, this game is ASS. At least on PS4, I haven't played the PC release. The AI sucks, enemies will fail to notice someone who shoots at them and then backs away forcing me so step back in front of the entire firing squad, after casting a spell my mage will just walk into melee combat for no good reason instead of waiting for a new command like she should and I can't choose who disables traps so when the best in the party is low on HP, I can't send in the second best for just in case it fails and goes off.
The RNG is garbage, I've tracked all of my rolls over 4 hours of combat play and 60% of them were below 7 on the d20 with only 13% being above 13
Then there's the smaller things like, sorting inventory is more complicated than it needs to be, which would all be passable as it's their first game but at this point I'm like "Have they even play another Isometric RPG to see what's been done before?"
For reference I've been playing D&D since 2nd, I've played Pathfinder 1 and 2, and many other tabletop RPGs that are not really all that comparable. I've play every Isometric RPG I could get my hands on. I have a lot of experience to draw on and it really just feels like the people who made this have none when it comes to the video game side of things.
I agree with everything you said - this game, on the surface, looked amazing - and I found it as frustrating and confusing as all hell - no, I don't need a pointer hinting at everything - but I don't want to spend my day on my phone in a wiki. That was just the start - the RNG was nightmarish and some of the features like the lack of camera angle changing and AI and the inventory made it feel more like a BETA - I got angrier the more I played this.
Played for hours... game sucks
Yeah - it can be a bit heavy good and the in-depth nature of it can sap the fun out of it a bit. What sorts of games do you like?
It is a bad game because not enough fun. Instead buy Path of Eternity 2, Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2, and Baldur's Gate 3 next year.
Pillars of eternity 2 is a buggy mess and damn near requires a ssd. Can't recommend that to anyone.
@@demora714 SSD on PS4 (Pro) does not help that much, something around 4-5 secs less lolz...