Facts. I would not trust my life with this spacecraft. I understand teething problems with a new vehicle but this is more than that, how many issues with this vehicle by now?!
@@RideAcrossTheRiver That's my point! I was about in the sixties and the ambiance was still less nerve racking. Lets hope that they get the Starliner at least as good as the Dragon has been! 😉👍
Boeing got the majority of the NASA money award and has continuous issues, meanwhile their competition whom got far less money blew them out of the water with Falcon 9 and Dragon, and just launched the largest rocket ever made for the 4th time. At this point Boeing is just an embarrassment.
@@adub1300 sure, but ULA had issues with Centaur themselves. They also use design language so old by todays rocket standards and aside from Centaur show zero capability to innovate with the standards that are being set today by companies like SpaceX, Sierra Space, RocketLab, etc. They along with Boeing did not deserve that huge contract award. They have been outperformed through and through by SpaceX.
@@adub1300 Launching with a gas leak, is absolutely not performing perfectly........ The fact that that gas leak didn't impact the mission is absolutely irrelevant. It was a problem that they had, that should not have existed.
Call me old fashioned, but I like to think that what constitutes a successful testing of a spacecraft is that it met or exceeded its performance goals for the mission, not that it's myriad malfunctions happened not to constitute a threat to the spacecraft or its occupants.
@@hermeticxhaote4723nope. With 1 (possibly more) flap being heavily damaged, Ship 29 still made it through re-entry just fine and landed. Even if you consider it a “failure” I don’t think anyone else is.
I still find it disconcerting that computer software and thrusters are a continuing problem that just doesn't seem to be solved. Very similar to the commercial airliner problems.
I was listening to the comm traffic and was surprised about the amount of tape inside the capsule. One of the knobs had so much tape wrapped around the shaft that Suni needed to remove her gloves so she could use her fingernails to remove enough tape to be able to turn the knob. Just what you want to do in a capsule floating through the vacuum of space.
I'm curious about this. Do you remember approx. when that happened? A timestamp on the applicable NASA stream would be ideal, but even just roughly when would be helpful. Since she had gloves on but could remove them, I guess it had to be either before launch, after getting to orbit but before doffing suits, or after donning suits again for ISS approach, but that doesn't narrow it down much. I wonder what the purpose of all that tape was, if it had to be removed to use the controls - strange.
@@L4JP It was while they were docking with the ISS. There was also some chatter about various cargo strap quick-disconnects being taped over. It sounds like someone did a crappy job of preparing the capsule for flight.
Yes. Govt controlled. Too many cooks. Too outdated and too complex. Very scary! How can they be sure it can be properly controlled to come back? Feels like Columbia all over again! Hope they ditch it and have a SpaceX Dragon come up to take them home safely.
They did this on a fixed price contract, and have spent more money themselves than NASA will ever pay them under the contract. Way lots lots more. But that’s probably not enough to discourage them in the future from being stupid.
@wyattnoise no if you don't understand what a test flight is as compared to failure actually a stack of failures that put lives at risk while charging billions for it maybe you should watch more of these videos start at the beginning he's very good
At the moment Boeing looks to be the ones with their act together, that Starship had its stabilizer nearly ripped off and and engine just detached hurtling by the booster ................those are a few major quality issues don't you think
At this point, SpaceX sould launch a Falcon 9 with a with a crew dragon and, and let the boeing capsule re-enter the atmosphere by itself. With so many issues on their first flight, I wonder how safe it is for those astronauts to go back to Earth. Also, today's Starship launch 4 was the most amazing feat of engineering I've seen. SpaceX is a generation of aircraft ahead of boeing.
Unfortunately, probably not safely. While in a worst case scenario it could be done, Boeing's IVA suits aren't compatible with Dragon (and vice versa), so the astronauts would need to come down suit-less. While that is possible, if anything goes wrong they're in a presumably depressurised spaceship without suits. Starliner is at least mostly functional at this point, so the risk would be too high. If, however, Starliner developed a crew compartment leak while on the ISS, it would theoretically be a possibility. And I'll admit, SpaceX could just send up 2 extra suits.
At this point these failures are unforgivable. This project is still having problems after over 4 years from when SpaceX Dragon became operational. Just terrible
SpaceX blow up entire rockets several times: - musk fans: loudy celebrations Other company has issues but are able to comple the mission at first try: - musk fans: this company should die.
One of those rockets it the largest rocket ever completed. The other is one that is doing something worse and for more cost than their competition. Starship has no competition
@@MrAlanCristhian Not first try, and years late. Space is hard and Boeing did well. They just look bad because of SpaceX. Elon has made some big blunders too, but he is pushing hard at new limits. Starliner is next gen version of old tried and true. NASA, Russia, China, and now Musk have all been there.
@@davidstevenson9517 bro don’t come here being rude because you’re butt hurt , let me guess you’re a fan of Boeing ? correct me if I'm wrong , like let’s be honest here nobody should be riding that thing not even astronauts that thing is a death trap and has a terrible record of glitches, software issues, thrusters issues , fuel leaks, etc etc I can keep going all day try me
@@polishkerbal6920 well if he has something to say he would comment for himself I don’t listen to people who comment for others when the person they comment for can clearly comment for themselves and beside he clearly wanted to say something otherwise he wouldn’t have replied to my comment and besides his comment came off as rude, rudeness and truth are two different things don’t you think ? If he wanted to say something to me he should have been more polite in his response to many people think they can be rude to anyone but I’m not one of those people who will sit back and take it
*_"You still couldn’t pay me all the money in the world to ride in that thing I’ll take the Dragon capsule any day at least I know it’s reliable"_* How do you know SpaceX is reliable? They've flown eight missions to the ISS, which is good going. But you never hear about SpaceX problems unless there's an explosion. In other words, you only know because SpaceX told you. In fact, the two organisations operate completely differently. SpaceX is a private company and tells you want they want you to hear, while Boeing/NASA are government and are (rightly) answerable to taxpayers and thus held to much higher levels of transparency and accountability. In other words, Boeing/NASA are required to tell you while SpaceX are not.
Three failures - none of them mission critical - is a very small rate for a mission like this. You might have missed it but the leaks were in the manoeuvring system and in case you didn't realise, that's the bit they needed to use to dock. Do you really think they don't have multiplexed systems to allow for having to shut off a valve or two? Or have you forgotten what happened when the Crew Dragon test craft had a stuck valve a few years ago?
@thebirsman225 Both Boeing and SpaceX got their contract for a crewed capsule in April 2016. SpaceX had their first successful launch in 2020....... 4 years later and Boeing still hasn't had a launch as successful as the very first SpaceX capsule....... You must be trying to keep your Boeing stock from dropping even more. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Helium leaks were an isolated problem and didn't affect other systems." Now the question is, did they lie or are they that incompetent? Honestly I don't know what is worse.
Let's Go Boeing! Seriously... I feel there's a measurable chance that this craft will not be suitable for ferrying its astronauts back to Earth. I would bet $$ that SpaceX has been contacted and things discussed, just in case.
I was thinking the same, that NASA has contacted SpaceX to figure out if there is a ready capsule and suits are being made in the astronauts' measurements just in case. Just speculation on my part.
How do you know SpaceX is reliable? They've flown eight missions to the ISS, which is good going. But you never hear about SpaceX problems unless there's an explosion. In other words, you only know because SpaceX told you. In fact, the two organisations operate completely differently. SpaceX is a private company and tells you want they want you to hear, while Boeing/NASA are government and are (rightly) answerable to taxpayers and thus held to much higher levels of transparency and accountability. In other words, Boeing/NASA are required to tell you while SpaceX are not. You're a bunch of wannabe Cassandras. You'll only be truly happy if something terrible happens.
@@thethirdman225 Actually, when it comes to the ISS and other NASA missions, SpaceX have to disclose any problems and we would know. Two, SpaceX is very transparent, including their failures. Three, Boeing/ULA are not government, they are also private companies. The same government funding that facilitated SpaceX dragon spacecraft is the same that was given to ULA for starliner. And currently Boeing is now under investigation for criminal negligence. Also, there is nothing SpaceX would have been able to hide because even the astronauts would have been able to figure out what is happening because the capsules would have alerted them. Your argument fails in foundation and conclusion.
@TheGreatCosmicBoogerEater Pfft. You think SpaceX would bother to tell them anything that wasn’t mission critical? They are the ones controlling the spacecraft so why does NASA need to know?
Three failures - none of them mission critical - in a mission like this is a very small rate. How do you know SpaceX is reliable? They've flown eight missions to the ISS, which is good going. But you never hear about SpaceX problems unless there's an explosion. In other words, you only know because SpaceX told you. In fact, the two organisations operate completely differently. SpaceX is a private company and tells you want they want you to hear, while Boeing/NASA are government and are (rightly) answerable to taxpayers and thus held to much higher levels of transparency and accountability. In other words, Boeing/NASA are required to tell you while SpaceX are not.
@TheGreatCosmicBoogerEater Hilarious. You really don’t like a nuanced debate, do you? You don’t like anything that doesn’t toe the SpaceX line, do you? Good.
@thethirdman225 Oh..ok. you must work for the big defense contractor..Space X has always been transparent about their Failures . pray that those atronauts make it back in one piece in that Over budget and running behind schedule hunk of junk.
@@Gary-oy1ji Really? When was the last time they reported a non-mission critical failure? Don't tell me they don't happen. They happen on every mission, even the outstanding ones.
three of SpaceX Starship tests ended up exploding/ burning/ crashing into the ocean but were declared "success" by the same people handwringing over Starliner development issues.
Three failures - none of them mission critical - in a mission like this is a very small rate. How do you know SpaceX is reliable? They've flown eight missions to the ISS, which is good going. But you never hear about SpaceX problems unless there's an explosion. In other words, you only know because SpaceX told you. In fact, the two organisations operate completely differently. SpaceX is a private company and tells you want they want you to hear, while Boeing/NASA are government and are (rightly) answerable to taxpayers and thus held to much higher levels of transparency and accountability. In other words, Boeing/NASA are required to tell you while SpaceX are not. The whole point was to have a second system available, not to keep plugging SpaceX.
Send up a Dragon just in case. I don't trust that craft. Boeing needs to step back from human space flight, and stick to SRB's, and core boosters (?). Or just invest in SpaceX. This is one of the biggest poop shows I've seen with crewed flight.
When I saw the video of the inside of the Starliner how it looks like a cockpit of a museum aircraft from the 80s, it made sense why it had so many failures and delays for 8 years.
“If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going”. I’m sure glad NASA paid Boeing almost double the tax dollars they paid SpaceX for the Crew Dragon. Sure was $$$ well spent. 😒😒
Talk about space junk Boeing starliner? How about Boeing Pinto? Edsel? I want to know what these American Cosmonauts are getting for a bonus they should ride SpaceX back. Does it remind you of Challenger?
@stoffers6419 they may be different programs but they are both insanely mismanaged and severely outdated programs relying on government influence peddling to stay relevant while SpaceX runs circles around them.
Maybe we should wait for Dream Chaser. Why are they using helium for this? Afraid it might get to cold for nitrogen?, neon too expensive? And what's up with all the electronic glitches? Can Boeing not program a computer. They did great with Chitty Chitty Boeing Boeing but now we have the Boeing Bumble Buoy. It's almost as if they want it to take longer.
There seems to be many Musk, er …Space X sycophants. Space vehicles are subject to incidents and failures regardless of manufacturers. I understand there are Musk cheerleaders out there and for good reason. Space X is formidable and has had successes but also their fair share of failures. It’s easy to cherry pick your success and sharply criticize when others fail. I for one applaud Boeings successful docking and wish a safe return flight back to terra firma!
Brave astronauts… Wonder if they could sleep. The ISS occupants probably had a sleepless night or two as well. Boeing still scratching their heads and rolling the dice. What a mess.
What the heck is wrong with these guys at Boeing? Helium leak, computers not correlating information and now thrusters not working? Trying to steer a car with a faulty steering wheel is just about the same thing but in low earth orbit you just can’t ’pull over’ and seek help, you’re on your own in the most inhospitable environment possible. I’m glad the two astronauts are ok. But the main question is, can they get back safely down after their stint on the international Space Station? Only time will tell…
Not judging...just making an observation. Looking at video of Boeing and SpaceX's control rooms, and even the Chinese engineers, it's clear that the Boeing group appears far more...seasoned than their SpaceX and Chinese counterparts.
this is serious. if NASA ok's starliner and something goes wrong in a bad way this will put the SLS program at risk indirectly. competition is good but not at the risk of human life. 2 space crafts launched this week and we all know 1 came back mostly intact as far as we know at the time of writing. starliner still needs to finish the mission. remember last time one chute failed to open.
Starliner and SLS are not really connected in a meaningful way. Yes, Boeing is a key contractor for both, but it's two very different programs with two different teams working on them. Issues with the Starliner program shouldn't affect SLS or Artemis in any way.
Yes, but in 1969 you didn't have computer software evaluating every little fart of the system and autodisabling it when it wasn't 100%. Keep in mind SpaceX had to basically remove the valves from the super-draco abort system because a valve leak caused their pretty, supposedly flight ready spacecraft to EXPLODE on the test stand. They replaced the super-draco valves with a "break the glass if needed system" that can only be opened ONCE in the event of an abort during ascent. (It involves a membrane that is punctured when needed to allow the hypergolics to flow.) That was the complete end of any possibility of propulsive landing for Dragon 2. Back in '66 stuck thrusters almost killed Neil Armstrong and Dave Scott on Gemini 8, and if you read "On the Shoulders of Titans" (the story of the Gemini program), you will know they had no end of problems getting those thrusters to have any kind of usable flight lifetime. On the second crewed Skylab mission they had thruster leaks that they were terribly worried about, since the mission was a long one.
A large part of the challenge relates to integration. It’s much harder than it seems to reuse old thruster designs as that limits other parts of the design. Space is also extremely unforgiving. The punishment for small mistakes is often swift and brutal. I think part of the challenge is also branding related. Boeing made many components for the Saturn V and ULA launch systems. However three were never branded as Boeing so if there were issues it didn’t have the same reputations risk.
The media is hyping these issues because it makes for a great story, They have a microscope on everything Boeing does. I'm old enough to remember the Space Shuttle, Apollo, Gemini, even Mercury. All those programs had problems and numerous glitches,..some of them quite serious. We lost 2 Shuttles, we lost 3 Astronauts on the ground in Apollo, and almost lost 3 more in space. Space is difficult. As for SpaceX, I'd say they've done well, but there's also a lot of luck involved. Don't forget, they blew up their own launch pad very recently. Don't tell me they intended to do that.
@@thethirdman225 I know a few things. How many CRVs are up there and what is/are their capacity? They always have to have enough capacity to evacuate everyone in an emergency. I'm sure if they took one for the two astronauts they would not have enough capacity for the remaining people on the ISS. Therefore I would think they would send up a Dragon to pick them up and leave the current CRVs in place.
@@thethirdman225 So there are 9 people on the ISS right now. You are saying they have enough for 18 people to evacuate (assuming the Boeing capsule is unable to safely return)?
@@thethirdman225 So now that NASA has announced that they will return on a Dragon ship and their capsule will return without them, tell me again how little I know about the ISS....
True if you consider that the Dragon 2 benefits from the Billions spent on Cargo Dragon for much of the flight heritage hardware. And the new stuff SpaceX had to develop for Dragon 2, like the abort system and the parachutes caused many a headache, and one very nice explosion and loss of supposedly flight ready vehicle. It turned out to be....... you guessed it, a VALVE PROBLEM.
Because it’s cost a vast amount of money and hasn’t delivered good value. It feels like Boeing got the contract for political reasons more than anything. I can see why folks are a bit salty and frustrated with the project. Hopefully these are tether errors and the starliner develops into something reliable and worthwhile in the future.
It is because Boeing airliner issues reduced confidence in the company to near zero and Starliner Orbital Flight Test One had such obviously untested software, it was clear the they had done no better on this project either. After that debacle NASA has done intense scrutiny and guidance with the program which basically places any success more on NASA than Boeing. The problems shown in this flight really aren’t that serious (so far) but the fact I had to add “so far” indicates the confidence issue, which is 100% Boeings fault & making.
@@leonardgallion6439 *_"After that debacle NASA has done intense scrutiny and guidance with the program which basically places any success more on NASA than Boeing. The problems shown in this flight really aren’t that serious (so far) but the fact I had to add “so far” indicates the confidence issue, which is 100% Boeings fault & making."_* And because NASA/Boeing is a government project, it is rightly required to adhere to much higher levels of transparency and accountability than SpaceX. Let's face it, the only time we're ever going to hear about a SpaceX failure is when there's an explosion. And we all remember what happened when the test Crew Dragon blew up, don't we?
@@thethirdman225 That is untrue. Boeing has the same contract style as SpaceX and is a private company which has a history of hiding its problems. Problems which has killed hundreds of innocent people in its airliner division. NASA itself has not always exposed issues but other groups that act as watchdogs often point out these issues, making them public. That being said NASA is generally open but Boeing is proven to be an incompetent company bent on hiding its faults to keep its stock prices high to the point it has become a criminal government investigation.
Seriously? Someone did not have the sense enough to put their Nasty hair back into at least a pony tail! Never mind the idea of respect for others! Who wants some stanky hair in their face?
Short memories for Elon fans. Fully tax payer funded for Elon to continue to be wealthy at the expense of hard working Americans. Still yet to achieve anything on schedule or on budget.
It sounds to me like this would not have happened in the old days of Apollo, because they didn't have software constantly evaluating performance on thrusters and automatically disabling them when they weren't 100%. Boeing needs to ratchet down the safeties on these thrusters a little. That's why 4 out of 5 could be brought back up after the manual firing. As for the leaks, Helium is a bitch to contain. And as usual, Boeing is bit in the ass by Aerojet-Rocketdyne. They have been responsible for a hell of a lot of thruster and valve problems. SpaceX is wise to be vertically integrated as a company, since that makes them internally responsible for QC on all their hardware. Even with that, if a material supplier cuts corners, like on the Falcon 9 explosion due to a substandard strut, your company can end up with an embarrassing failure. SpaceX has had its own problems with frozen thrusters, etc, but they were mostly ironed-out on the Cargo Spacecraft, and many Elon fanboys are more than willing to overlook anything negative about SpaceX. Boeing is just under the microscope because of failures in an entirely different division (basically another company), and the fact that they are cutting their new teeth on a MANNED spacecraft rather than a cargo vehicle. You can bet Dream Chaser will not have every single problem blasted across every headline, since their vehicle is cargo only.
Thank you, indeed I'm not a Boeing fan but not a hater also thrusters failures are not soooo bad as people may think. Starliner is doing ok and lets remember that it's the second mission for this spacecraft
Spaceship x will encounter same problems as the Starlighter did. Space X does not go through rigorous process to go ahead and validate the process, therefore they are not the same.
You my friend are absolutely incorrect for your information Space X definitely goes through rigorous process and testing To go ahead and validate if everything is clear to go if they didn’t the Dragon Crew capsule wouldn’t be so Successful would it ? I can’t say the same for Boeing Starliner’s track record honestly NASA would have been better off going with Sierra Nevada’s dream chaser spacecraft instead of Boeing
We are very critical of starliner, here, which just successfully carried two humans to the ISS. Starship, on the other hand, just burned up and crashed into the ocean. Again. Huge success. Is this intentionally a SpaceX cheerleading channel or did you just become that way over time?
Starliner has a helium leak but successfully docks. "OMG what a disaster." Starship has a burn through of its flaps during reentry and it's a miracle it doesn't disintegrate before it lands. "OMG what a success!" (Note I'm not knocking Starship. I'm just tired of hearing the Internet whining about Starliner.)
You gotta understand that one is a literal test vehicle and the other is a crew capsule that is trying to be certified by NASA. You never expect a test to go right the first few times but you sure as hell want it to go right when there’s lives on the line
Yeah, and there were so many humans aboard the starship TEST flight at risk of losing their lives 🙄 A human-carrying space capsule with multiple rounds of QA should NOT be having issues or even flying with known leaks! If you want to fairly compare, compare SpaceX dragon's first human flight to this one.
The fact they let it go up with the same issue is the real problem here. And Starship was 100 percent successful with a burned through flap all while being a test vehicle. Boeing is a joke and I think your opinion is also.
@LabyrinthMike -- You speak as if you are a journalism or underwater basketweaving major.... What you say is unimportant and we do not hear your words.
You do realize that the spacex crew dragon is the one competing with the starliner. And crew dragon have been sending astronauts to the iss like 20 times already. Funny thing is starliner got more money funded, expensive to use, and always delay with issues 😂
Let’s just hope the two astronauts get home safely.
Dragon will bring them home.
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What will they do with the boeing pile of crap?
Facts. I would not trust my life with this spacecraft. I understand teething problems with a new vehicle but this is more than that, how many issues with this vehicle by now?!
Absolutely, but we should be past 'winging it' by now! I think there was less tension during the Mercury program days in the early 1960's!!!!
@@johnnyhollis9977 Mercury was a very dangerous craft.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver That's my point! I was about in the sixties and the ambiance was still less nerve racking. Lets hope that they get the Starliner at least as good as the Dragon has been! 😉👍
Boeing got the majority of the NASA money award and has continuous issues, meanwhile their competition whom got far less money blew them out of the water with Falcon 9 and Dragon, and just launched the largest rocket ever made for the 4th time. At this point Boeing is just an embarrassment.
💯👍
Atlas performed perfectly. Let’s not drag ULA down with Boeing.
@@adub1300 sure, but ULA had issues with Centaur themselves. They also use design language so old by todays rocket standards and aside from Centaur show zero capability to innovate with the standards that are being set today by companies like SpaceX, Sierra Space, RocketLab, etc. They along with Boeing did not deserve that huge contract award. They have been outperformed through and through by SpaceX.
@@adub1300
Launching with a gas leak, is absolutely not performing perfectly........
The fact that that gas leak didn't impact the mission is absolutely irrelevant. It was a problem that they had, that should not have existed.
@@adub1300 ULA is Boeing, isn't it?
Call me old fashioned, but I like to think that what constitutes a successful testing of a spacecraft is that it met or exceeded its performance goals for the mission, not that it's myriad malfunctions happened not to constitute a threat to the spacecraft or its occupants.
So you would consider all the Starship test flights as failures as I do.
If completing it's mission is the criteria for success then so far Starliner is doing it's job. They haven't had to abort yet.
@@hermeticxhaote4723 No, this has been successful so far and there's nothing you can do about it.
@@hermeticxhaote4723nope. With 1 (possibly more) flap being heavily damaged, Ship 29 still made it through re-entry just fine and landed. Even if you consider it a “failure” I don’t think anyone else is.
@@hermeticxhaote4723first three yes, but 4th one was successful
Don’t worry. One or two dozen problems won’t add up to anything really bad. These kinds of failures are never cumulative or cascading.
I still find it disconcerting that computer software and thrusters are a continuing problem that just doesn't seem to be solved. Very similar to the commercial airliner problems.
Shirley you gest, I mean surely.
I am gesting and don't call me Shirley 😡
Ha. Love the sarcasm :)
@@Logan4661 don`t call me Surely.
Beoing: we docked to the ISS!
SpaceX: yeah, that's cute.
More like “hold my beer”.
You win the internet.
@@ghost307 Thanks, but I don't really want it 😂
NASA: we built the thing, Elon.
I was listening to the comm traffic and was surprised about the amount of tape inside the capsule.
One of the knobs had so much tape wrapped around the shaft that Suni needed to remove her gloves so she could use her fingernails to remove enough tape to be able to turn the knob. Just what you want to do in a capsule floating through the vacuum of space.
I'm curious about this. Do you remember approx. when that happened? A timestamp on the applicable NASA stream would be ideal, but even just roughly when would be helpful. Since she had gloves on but could remove them, I guess it had to be either before launch, after getting to orbit but before doffing suits, or after donning suits again for ISS approach, but that doesn't narrow it down much. I wonder what the purpose of all that tape was, if it had to be removed to use the controls - strange.
@@L4JP It was while they were docking with the ISS. There was also some chatter about various cargo strap quick-disconnects being taped over. It sounds like someone did a crappy job of preparing the capsule for flight.
Meanwhile Crew Dragon looks like a Tesla inside.
Those are the bravest astronauts in awhile.
Yes. Govt controlled. Too many cooks. Too outdated and too complex. Very scary! How can they be sure it can be properly controlled to come back? Feels like Columbia all over again! Hope they ditch it and have a SpaceX Dragon come up to take them home safely.
Why? Dragon had ONE test flight and the thing exploded.
No way in hell I'd get back in that death trap to return home, nasa kiss my ass, call SpaceX 😎
@@ltdees2362 Why is it a "death trap"?
@@RideAcrossTheRiver LMAO it didn't. Crew dragon had two test flights one for LES testing, other for uncrewed launch to the ISS. Both were successful.
I’m glad they arrived safely.
At what point do we stop paying Boeing for failures
They did this on a fixed price contract, and have spent more money themselves than NASA will ever pay them under the contract. Way lots lots more. But that’s probably not enough to discourage them in the future from being stupid.
“Your tax dollars at work.”
Did Boeing dump a spacecraft into the ocean today while calling it a "success?"
@@wyattnoise That was privately funded, so irrelevant. Also, that was their goal, so yes it was success.
@wyattnoise no if you don't understand what a test flight is as compared to failure actually a stack of failures that put lives at risk while charging billions for it maybe you should watch more of these videos start at the beginning he's very good
If it's without issues it wouldn't be a Boeing flight. Just glad that the crews are safe.
You think SpaceX doesn't have problems? They just don't talk about them unless there's an explosion.
@@thethirdman225 BS Boeing fangirl it would be out here beeeatch
@@ekspatriat So having a considered point of view upsets you, does it?
Good.
@thethirdman225
Spacex track record is much better than Boeing. They aren’t perfect. But so far they haven’t had this severe of problems on dragon.
At the moment Boeing looks to be the ones with their act together, that Starship had its stabilizer nearly ripped off and and engine just detached hurtling by the booster ................those are a few major quality issues don't you think
Sounds like the MC Douglas managment leaked into their Space programm!
I would never set a foot into starliner!
Maybe the astronauts will have to hitch a ride back in a SpaceX Dragon capsule...
The 737 Max of spacecraft...
my 2014 van is more reliable
At this point, SpaceX sould launch a Falcon 9 with a with a crew dragon and, and let the boeing capsule re-enter the atmosphere by itself. With so many issues on their first flight, I wonder how safe it is for those astronauts to go back to Earth.
Also, today's Starship launch 4 was the most amazing feat of engineering I've seen. SpaceX is a generation of aircraft ahead of boeing.
SpaceX 👍👍
Boeing used to be 👍👍 but now it's 👎👎
Let's see who gets people on the Moon first.
Unfortunately, probably not safely. While in a worst case scenario it could be done, Boeing's IVA suits aren't compatible with Dragon (and vice versa), so the astronauts would need to come down suit-less. While that is possible, if anything goes wrong they're in a presumably depressurised spaceship without suits. Starliner is at least mostly functional at this point, so the risk would be too high. If, however, Starliner developed a crew compartment leak while on the ISS, it would theoretically be a possibility. And I'll admit, SpaceX could just send up 2 extra suits.
@@2001herne If you know anything at all about the ISS, you'd know that wasn't necessary.
That SpaceX decided to do their demo on the same day as Boeing docked with the ISS shows that they are worried about something...
At this point these failures are unforgivable. This project is still having problems after over 4 years from when SpaceX Dragon became operational. Just terrible
SpaceX blow up entire rockets several times:
- musk fans: loudy celebrations
Other company has issues but are able to comple the mission at first try:
- musk fans: this company should die.
One of those rockets it the largest rocket ever completed. The other is one that is doing something worse and for more cost than their competition. Starship has no competition
@@MrAlanCristhian Not first try, and years late. Space is hard and Boeing did well. They just look bad because of SpaceX. Elon has made some big blunders too, but he is pushing hard at new limits. Starliner is next gen version of old tried and true. NASA, Russia, China, and now Musk have all been there.
You still couldn’t pay me all the money in the world to ride in that thing I’ll take the Dragon capsule any day at least I know it’s reliable
Nobody is paying you to ride in either.
@@davidstevenson9517 bro don’t come here being rude because you’re butt hurt , let me guess you’re a fan of Boeing ? correct me if I'm wrong , like let’s be honest here nobody should be riding that thing not even astronauts that thing is a death trap and has a terrible record of glitches, software issues, thrusters issues , fuel leaks, etc etc I can keep going all day try me
@@giminai8000he just said the truth, leave him alone
@@polishkerbal6920 well if he has something to say he would comment for himself I don’t listen to people who comment for others when the person they comment for can clearly comment for themselves and beside he clearly wanted to say something otherwise he wouldn’t have replied to my comment and besides his comment came off as rude, rudeness and truth are two different things don’t you think ? If he wanted to say something to me he should have been more polite in his response to many people think they can be rude to anyone but I’m not one of those people who will sit back and take it
*_"You still couldn’t pay me all the money in the world to ride in that thing I’ll take the Dragon capsule any day at least I know it’s reliable"_*
How do you know SpaceX is reliable? They've flown eight missions to the ISS, which is good going. But you never hear about SpaceX problems unless there's an explosion.
In other words, you only know because SpaceX told you.
In fact, the two organisations operate completely differently. SpaceX is a private company and tells you want they want you to hear, while Boeing/NASA are government and are (rightly) answerable to taxpayers and thus held to much higher levels of transparency and accountability.
In other words, Boeing/NASA are required to tell you while SpaceX are not.
Just hope they can get back safely 🤞
I hope they packed a Manned Maneuvering Unit, just in case.
That way they could get out and push.
The station haves an arm.
Sheeeesh. A real nailbiter
At least the door stayed in place.
Appreciate the quick reporting. TheSpaceBucket earns and deserves their subscribers.
I think I would rather hoop on that Wylie Coyote ACME Rocket than be on this snake bit space craft. I pray for the crew
I just hope that they got the new pump for recycling water up and running.
Well that pump isn't Boeing's fault if broken
Starliner should NOT be certified after this flight. Too many unexpected problems arose.
Not until the root problem of the thruster failure has been fixed.
Three failures - none of them mission critical - is a very small rate for a mission like this.
You might have missed it but the leaks were in the manoeuvring system and in case you didn't realise, that's the bit they needed to use to dock. Do you really think they don't have multiplexed systems to allow for having to shut off a valve or two? Or have you forgotten what happened when the Crew Dragon test craft had a stuck valve a few years ago?
@@thethirdman225 you are a Boeing troll wwhy dont yo FO
@@ekspatriat Having a considered point of view clearly upsets you.
Good.
@thebirsman225
Both Boeing and SpaceX got their contract for a crewed capsule in April 2016.
SpaceX had their first successful launch in 2020.......
4 years later and Boeing still hasn't had a launch as successful as the very first SpaceX capsule.......
You must be trying to keep your Boeing stock from dropping even more. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like it was a better day for SpaceX than for Boeing.
uh, they crashed their big ship into the ocean in one piece (instead of several) without burning it up or exploding it first...
@@eichelbergergary and the fact that it didn't break up into several pieces means that it worked. The test wasn't in no way aborted.
@@eichelbergergarywell, some pieces did break off.
"Helium leaks were an isolated problem and didn't affect other systems."
Now the question is, did they lie or are they that incompetent? Honestly I don't know what is worse.
Send it back empty, and send up the Dragon
Let's Go Boeing!
Seriously... I feel there's a measurable chance that this craft will not be suitable for ferrying its astronauts back to Earth.
I would bet $$ that SpaceX has been contacted and things discussed, just in case.
I was thinking the same, that NASA has contacted SpaceX to figure out if there is a ready capsule and suits are being made in the astronauts' measurements just in case. Just speculation on my part.
If I remember correctly the ISS normally has an additional return option available and all of the US astronauts cross train with Soyuz, just incase.
How do you know SpaceX is reliable? They've flown eight missions to the ISS, which is good going. But you never hear about SpaceX problems unless there's an explosion.
In other words, you only know because SpaceX told you.
In fact, the two organisations operate completely differently. SpaceX is a private company and tells you want they want you to hear, while Boeing/NASA are government and are (rightly) answerable to taxpayers and thus held to much higher levels of transparency and accountability.
In other words, Boeing/NASA are required to tell you while SpaceX are not.
You're a bunch of wannabe Cassandras. You'll only be truly happy if something terrible happens.
@@thethirdman225 Actually, when it comes to the ISS and other NASA missions, SpaceX have to disclose any problems and we would know.
Two, SpaceX is very transparent, including their failures.
Three, Boeing/ULA are not government, they are also private companies. The same government funding that facilitated SpaceX dragon spacecraft is the same that was given to ULA for starliner. And currently Boeing is now under investigation for criminal negligence. Also, there is nothing SpaceX would have been able to hide because even the astronauts would have been able to figure out what is happening because the capsules would have alerted them.
Your argument fails in foundation and conclusion.
@TheGreatCosmicBoogerEater Pfft. You think SpaceX would bother to tell them anything that wasn’t mission critical? They are the ones controlling the spacecraft so why does NASA need to know?
Starliner one has quite a few parallels to Soyuz 1 and it has me worried. 😧
How long have they been trying to "Iron The Bugs Out" of this thing? Just Enter the Dragon.
Three failures - none of them mission critical - in a mission like this is a very small rate.
How do you know SpaceX is reliable? They've flown eight missions to the ISS, which is good going. But you never hear about SpaceX problems unless there's an explosion.
In other words, you only know because SpaceX told you.
In fact, the two organisations operate completely differently. SpaceX is a private company and tells you want they want you to hear, while Boeing/NASA are government and are (rightly) answerable to taxpayers and thus held to much higher levels of transparency and accountability.
In other words, Boeing/NASA are required to tell you while SpaceX are not.
@TheGreatCosmicBoogerEater Hilarious. You really don’t like a nuanced debate, do you? You don’t like anything that doesn’t toe the SpaceX line, do you?
Good.
@TheGreatCosmicBoogerEater Why should I change it if the message is exactly the same?
@thethirdman225 Oh..ok. you must work for the big defense contractor..Space X has always been transparent about their Failures . pray that those atronauts make it back in one piece in that Over budget and running behind schedule hunk of junk.
@@Gary-oy1ji Really? When was the last time they reported a non-mission critical failure?
Don't tell me they don't happen. They happen on every mission, even the outstanding ones.
Three test flights and still problems with software, thrusters, leaks and valves. Scrap it and send a Dragon up to rescue the crew.
three of SpaceX Starship tests ended up exploding/ burning/ crashing into the ocean but were declared "success" by the same people handwringing over Starliner development issues.
Three failures - none of them mission critical - in a mission like this is a very small rate.
How do you know SpaceX is reliable? They've flown eight missions to the ISS, which is good going. But you never hear about SpaceX problems unless there's an explosion.
In other words, you only know because SpaceX told you.
In fact, the two organisations operate completely differently. SpaceX is a private company and tells you want they want you to hear, while Boeing/NASA are government and are (rightly) answerable to taxpayers and thus held to much higher levels of transparency and accountability.
In other words, Boeing/NASA are required to tell you while SpaceX are not.
The whole point was to have a second system available, not to keep plugging SpaceX.
Send up a Dragon just in case. I don't trust that craft. Boeing needs to step back from human space flight, and stick to SRB's, and core boosters (?). Or just invest in SpaceX. This is one of the biggest poop shows I've seen with crewed flight.
Additional CFT Needed before certification.
.. Starliner astronauts to Houston...we ain't get'n back on that piece of sh't...call Elon, we need a "dependable" ride home 😛
Starliner... no. Should be called the Boeing Edsel.
is SpaceX priming a dragon for a possible rescue?
If I was on the ISS would probably insist on it….
Maybe they should send a SpaceX to pick them up and ditch this Boeing laughing junk.
Can the astronauts refuse coming back in this boeingliner? Nasa sends empty dragon for rescue?
When I saw the video of the inside of the Starliner how it looks like a cockpit of a museum aircraft from the 80s, it made sense why it had so many failures and delays for 8 years.
This thing is a death trap.
Another wannabe Cassandra.
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I found it a bit funny that the video's auto-generated CC text insightfully referred to Starliner's "crude" mission multiple times. ;-)
This has been a good channel in the past, but I've noticed the titles lately have been worded like clickbait.
How the hell is “starliner docked to the ISS!” clickbait?
“If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going”.
I’m sure glad NASA paid Boeing almost double the tax dollars they paid SpaceX for the Crew Dragon. Sure was $$$ well spent. 😒😒
Sunni Williams is a Space Goddess. What guts she has in the tradition of the Best and Brightest.
If I was greeting them on the ISS there is a Star Wars quote I would not be able to resist saying.
From Boeing to Boring😂
Talk about space junk Boeing starliner? How about Boeing Pinto? Edsel? I want to know what these American Cosmonauts are getting for a bonus they should ride SpaceX back. Does it remind you of Challenger?
Nasa needa to ditch sls
Starliner has nothing to do with SLS
@stoffers6419 they may be different programs but they are both insanely mismanaged and severely outdated programs relying on government influence peddling to stay relevant while SpaceX runs circles around them.
@@stoffers6419 Thanks Christ there someone else here with a brain.
@@thethirdman225 troll
@@ekspatriat Fairy.
Maybe we should wait for Dream Chaser.
Why are they using helium for this? Afraid it might get to cold for nitrogen?, neon too expensive? And what's up with all the electronic glitches? Can Boeing not program a computer. They did great with Chitty Chitty Boeing Boeing but now we have the Boeing Bumble Buoy.
It's almost as if they want it to take longer.
There seems to be many Musk, er …Space X sycophants. Space vehicles are subject to incidents and failures regardless of manufacturers. I understand there are Musk cheerleaders out there and for good reason. Space X is formidable and has had successes but also their fair share of failures. It’s easy to cherry pick your success and sharply criticize when others fail. I for one applaud Boeings successful docking and wish a safe return flight back to terra firma!
Brave astronauts… Wonder if they could sleep. The ISS occupants probably had a sleepless night or two as well. Boeing still scratching their heads and rolling the dice. What a mess.
I don't understand why NASA and Boing make this a supply mission as a shake down for a crewed mission. Seems bass ackwards.
I rather ride on starship.......
Well, the flap(s) melted and it was on fire but still soft landed!
lucky for you, they had a few opening for their moon mission...
Hope they brought a packed lunch or two. They may be staying at ISS for a while...
Very well two astronauts want to go home in the earth 🌎 Difficult time the Boeing Starliner Crew Astronauts Team and Flight.
NASA should stop spending good money after bad money. Send up a Crew Dragon to rescue the astronauts.
Bad ship.
Wow this is crazy I would not trust my life with this spacecaft. I wonder if it is software causing rhe issue again.
And the guy pooped his spacesuit!! Maybe that could have been helped for "thrust"?
jesus... i wouldn't trust a go-kart made by boeing at this point...
It’s more important to DEI hire than for thrusters to operate correctly.
What the heck is wrong with these guys at Boeing? Helium leak, computers not correlating information and now thrusters not working? Trying to steer a car with a faulty steering wheel is just about the same thing but in low earth orbit you just can’t ’pull over’ and seek help, you’re on your own in the most inhospitable environment possible. I’m glad the two astronauts are ok. But the main question is, can they get back safely down after their stint on the international Space Station? Only time will tell…
Starleaker Is a edsel
Great analogy 😂
did he say:"orbiting lavatory"?
The starliner is beginning to look like the Yugo of space craft.
Is blue origin still working on a spacecraft to get to ISS?
It still needs too get back. Good luck. Send up a Dragon
Butch and Suni looked ecstatic to get out of the Starliner
I thought I heard you say: the orbital lavatory, but I guess it was laboratory...😎
Must be a bit stinky up there...
Not judging...just making an observation. Looking at video of Boeing and SpaceX's control rooms, and even the Chinese engineers, it's clear that the Boeing group appears far more...seasoned than their SpaceX and Chinese counterparts.
Maybe that's the problem. Calm instead of motivated.
the way you talk you should have become a preacher
Not another taxpayer penny to Boeing.
But...but...but...jobs.
@@ghost307 someone else will step up , Capitalism 😂
this is serious. if NASA ok's starliner and something goes wrong in a bad way this will put the SLS program at risk indirectly. competition is good but not at the risk of human life. 2 space crafts launched this week and we all know 1 came back mostly intact as far as we know at the time of writing. starliner still needs to finish the mission. remember last time one chute failed to open.
ALL the current spacecraft have suffered chute failures at some point.
Starliner and SLS are not really connected in a meaningful way. Yes, Boeing is a key contractor for both, but it's two very different programs with two different teams working on them. Issues with the Starliner program shouldn't affect SLS or Artemis in any way.
@@plainText384 Common sense at last.
Just worry about returning in that tin can
Wokeliner
.....yawn.....
What's the problem. We've been using thrusters for over over 60 years now. With all that experience it should be easy to build ones that work.
The problem is that Boeing doesn’t have real engineers anymore 😅
Yes, but in 1969 you didn't have computer software evaluating every little fart of the system and autodisabling it when it wasn't 100%. Keep in mind SpaceX had to basically remove the valves from the super-draco abort system because a valve leak caused their pretty, supposedly flight ready spacecraft to EXPLODE on the test stand. They replaced the super-draco valves with a "break the glass if needed system" that can only be opened ONCE in the event of an abort during ascent. (It involves a membrane that is punctured when needed to allow the hypergolics to flow.) That was the complete end of any possibility of propulsive landing for Dragon 2.
Back in '66 stuck thrusters almost killed Neil Armstrong and Dave Scott on Gemini 8, and if you read "On the Shoulders of Titans" (the story of the Gemini program), you will know they had no end of problems getting those thrusters to have any kind of usable flight lifetime.
On the second crewed Skylab mission they had thruster leaks that they were terribly worried about, since the mission was a long one.
A large part of the challenge relates to integration. It’s much harder than it seems to reuse old thruster designs as that limits other parts of the design.
Space is also extremely unforgiving. The punishment for small mistakes is often swift and brutal.
I think part of the challenge is also branding related. Boeing made many components for the Saturn V and ULA launch systems. However three were never branded as Boeing so if there were issues it didn’t have the same reputations risk.
@@i-love-space390 Good post.
@@giminai8000 Boeing doesn't build the RCS thrusters themselves, but instead sources them (and the abort motors) from Aerojet Rocketdyne.
The media is hyping these issues because it makes for a great story, They have a microscope on everything Boeing does. I'm old enough to remember the Space Shuttle, Apollo, Gemini, even Mercury. All those programs had problems and numerous glitches,..some of them quite serious. We lost 2 Shuttles, we lost 3 Astronauts on the ground in Apollo, and almost lost 3 more in space. Space is difficult. As for SpaceX, I'd say they've done well, but there's also a lot of luck involved. Don't forget, they blew up their own launch pad very recently. Don't tell me they intended to do that.
"It doesn't work. We don't understand why."
"EVERYTHING IS FINE!"
***sigh***
said no one ever.
Shut the hatch and detach. Problem solved.
SpaceX will send a rescue ship to pick up the astronauts.
You really don't know anything about the ISS, do you?
@@thethirdman225 I know a few things. How many CRVs are up there and what is/are their capacity? They always have to have enough capacity to evacuate everyone in an emergency. I'm sure if they took one for the two astronauts they would not have enough capacity for the remaining people on the ISS. Therefore I would think they would send up a Dragon to pick them up and leave the current CRVs in place.
@@whaledriver5457 There is always one more than they need.
@@thethirdman225 So there are 9 people on the ISS right now. You are saying they have enough for 18 people to evacuate (assuming the Boeing capsule is unable to safely return)?
@@thethirdman225 So now that NASA has announced that they will return on a Dragon ship and their capsule will return without them, tell me again how little I know about the ISS....
Thanks again!
3:58 also a jebediah Kerman plush
USA AOK.
Good thing Starliner is Alot Cheaper than SpaceX,,,
thats a funny joke
Is that sarcasm because if it is it’s funny lol 😂
No it isn't.
True if you consider that the Dragon 2 benefits from the Billions spent on Cargo Dragon for much of the flight heritage hardware. And the new stuff SpaceX had to develop for Dragon 2, like the abort system and the parachutes caused many a headache, and one very nice explosion and loss of supposedly flight ready vehicle. It turned out to be....... you guessed it, a VALVE PROBLEM.
looks like nasa have learned from Soviet near enough policy
These are the problems you inherit When your moon landing 50 years ago with a Commodore C64 did take place at Stan Kubrick’s movie set..
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Why is it, that, if I look into comments under Starliner video, people are so salty?
Because it’s cost a vast amount of money and hasn’t delivered good value. It feels like Boeing got the contract for political reasons more than anything.
I can see why folks are a bit salty and frustrated with the project. Hopefully these are tether errors and the starliner develops into something reliable and worthwhile in the future.
It is because Boeing airliner issues reduced confidence in the company to near zero and Starliner Orbital Flight Test One had such obviously untested software, it was clear the they had done no better on this project either. After that debacle NASA has done intense scrutiny and guidance with the program which basically places any success more on NASA than Boeing. The problems shown in this flight really aren’t that serious (so far) but the fact I had to add “so far” indicates the confidence issue, which is 100% Boeings fault & making.
@@leonardgallion6439
*_"After that debacle NASA has done intense scrutiny and guidance with the program which basically places any success more on NASA than Boeing. The problems shown in this flight really aren’t that serious (so far) but the fact I had to add “so far” indicates the confidence issue, which is 100% Boeings fault & making."_*
And because NASA/Boeing is a government project, it is rightly required to adhere to much higher levels of transparency and accountability than SpaceX. Let's face it, the only time we're ever going to hear about a SpaceX failure is when there's an explosion. And we all remember what happened when the test Crew Dragon blew up, don't we?
@@thethirdman225 That is untrue. Boeing has the same contract style as SpaceX and is a private company which has a history of hiding its problems. Problems which has killed hundreds of innocent people in its airliner division. NASA itself has not always exposed issues but other groups that act as watchdogs often point out these issues, making them public. That being said NASA is generally open but Boeing is proven to be an incompetent company bent on hiding its faults to keep its stock prices high to the point it has become a criminal government investigation.
taking big chances and big taxpayer dollars
I’d recommend change the way of speaking if you wanna more viewers. The voice sounds creapy frankly.
You .and like Elon Musk 😂😂😂
Failedliner
Seriously? Someone did not have the sense enough to put their Nasty hair back into at least a pony tail! Never mind the idea of respect for others! Who wants some stanky hair in their face?
The Indian astronaut looks like a real dope. Sad.
Short memories for Elon fans. Fully tax payer funded for Elon to continue to be wealthy at the expense of hard working Americans. Still yet to achieve anything on schedule or on budget.
What!
proof, last thing im gonna do is take the world of some rando on the internet who doesnt cite their sources
If it wasn’t for SpaceX, American will have a hard time sending anything to space. Meaning we will have to learn how to speak Chinese language soon 😂
cool
It sounds to me like this would not have happened in the old days of Apollo, because they didn't have software constantly evaluating performance on thrusters and automatically disabling them when they weren't 100%. Boeing needs to ratchet down the safeties on these thrusters a little. That's why 4 out of 5 could be brought back up after the manual firing.
As for the leaks, Helium is a bitch to contain.
And as usual, Boeing is bit in the ass by Aerojet-Rocketdyne. They have been responsible for a hell of a lot of thruster and valve problems. SpaceX is wise to be vertically integrated as a company, since that makes them internally responsible for QC on all their hardware.
Even with that, if a material supplier cuts corners, like on the Falcon 9 explosion due to a substandard strut, your company can end up with an embarrassing failure.
SpaceX has had its own problems with frozen thrusters, etc, but they were mostly ironed-out on the Cargo Spacecraft, and many Elon fanboys are more than willing to overlook anything negative about SpaceX.
Boeing is just under the microscope because of failures in an entirely different division (basically another company), and the fact that they are cutting their new teeth on a MANNED spacecraft rather than a cargo vehicle. You can bet Dream Chaser will not have every single problem blasted across every headline, since their vehicle is cargo only.
Thank you, indeed I'm not a Boeing fan but not a hater also thrusters failures are not soooo bad as people may think. Starliner is doing ok and lets remember that it's the second mission for this spacecraft
Spaceship x will encounter same problems as the Starlighter did. Space X does not go through rigorous process to go ahead and validate the process, therefore they are not the same.
You my friend are absolutely incorrect for your information Space X definitely goes through rigorous process and testing To go ahead and validate if everything is clear to go if they didn’t the Dragon Crew capsule wouldn’t be so Successful would it ? I can’t say the same for Boeing Starliner’s track record honestly NASA would have been better off going with Sierra Nevada’s dream chaser spacecraft instead of Boeing
@@Wi2Low indeed there are my friend I really can’t understand there logic and I don’t think I want too Lol 😂
We are very critical of starliner, here, which just successfully carried two humans to the ISS.
Starship, on the other hand, just burned up and crashed into the ocean. Again. Huge success.
Is this intentionally a SpaceX cheerleading channel or did you just become that way over time?
A proper SpaceX comparison would be with Crew Dragon. I agree with you though, Starliner just achieved a very difficult feat!
Starship actually didn't burn up, and successfully performed a soft touchdown on the ocean.
Starship didn't crash, it survived a controlled landing in the ocean despite having severely damaged fins.
Everyone in space bucket comment sections are idiots. Don't worry about it.
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Starliner has a helium leak but successfully docks. "OMG what a disaster." Starship has a burn through of its flaps during reentry and it's a miracle it doesn't disintegrate before it lands. "OMG what a success!" (Note I'm not knocking Starship. I'm just tired of hearing the Internet whining about Starliner.)
You gotta understand that one is a literal test vehicle and the other is a crew capsule that is trying to be certified by NASA. You never expect a test to go right the first few times but you sure as hell want it to go right when there’s lives on the line
Yeah, and there were so many humans aboard the starship TEST flight at risk of losing their lives 🙄
A human-carrying space capsule with multiple rounds of QA should NOT be having issues or even flying with known leaks! If you want to fairly compare, compare SpaceX dragon's first human flight to this one.
The fact they let it go up with the same issue is the real problem here. And Starship was 100 percent successful with a burned through flap all while being a test vehicle. Boeing is a joke and I think your opinion is also.
@LabyrinthMike -- You speak as if you are a journalism or underwater basketweaving major....
What you say is unimportant and we do not hear your words.
You do realize that the spacex crew dragon is the one competing with the starliner. And crew dragon have been sending astronauts to the iss like 20 times already. Funny thing is starliner got more money funded, expensive to use, and always delay with issues 😂