America needs to talk a good long look in the mirror and realize the people running these companies aren't engineers and designers but financiers and wall street showmen. Its a leadership issue. Ceos take too much money want high margins and quick timelines with understaffed factories and poorly trained employees. SpaceX being the rare exception
Why am I not surprised that Suffredini doesn't know how to do fixed price? The old school contracting companies are having an extremely hard time adjusting and are behind the times.
Of course, SpaceX is also way over their initial schedule predictions, and probably will need more money to meet their moon mission requirements, but we probably won't talk about that.
For what, Ray? It's a fixed price contract. Also, SpaceX only seem to build HLS as far as already developed. Starship developement is really their own problem only.
@@MichaelWinter-ss6lx They are way behind schedule, and their predictions on how many refueling flights would be needed, as well as Starship payload-to-orbit are off what they initially predicted. My prediction is, they are going to use up all of the money they got for HLS and go begging the NASA for more. Point is, SpaceX fanboys love to crap all over NASA and competitors whenever anything goes wrong, but grade SpaceX on a curve when they miss deadlines, need redesigns, etc. Space is hard. Axiom is a commercial company that got a fixed price contract just like spacex, so why the hostility? NASA is also the org that has two giant space telescopes in space that have massively expanded human understanding of the university. They've sent probes to every planet, to Pluto, to asteroids and comets, including sample return missions. They landed a fscking SKY CRANE on Mars. Whining about NASA "bureaucrats" is cheap and easy for RUclipsrs who can barely engineer a backyard tree house.
HERE IS THE ISSUE- when you give someone $140 million dollars- I don't care who they are- here is the first thing they buy- 1) new houses 2) new cars 3) vacation homes 4) vacations 5) new homes for closest friends or startup buddies 6) more new cars and houses for startup buddies 7) THEN they may start to plan on building or constructing- but ONLY after a few years..... 8) THEN THEY START ASKING FOR MORE TAXPAYER MAD MONEY- AND REPEAT FROM ISSUE #1.
The money in 140 million wasnt givern to one person, it was to the company itself in a contract. A CEO or board member using that money for houses and cars is embezzlement and illegal
I think all this news of cost overruns and time delays should just be rephrased into “VC’s/investors wildly underestimate the costs and time required to actually step into space”. It’s endemic in the industry, starting many decades ago and being a consistent feature. Any initial estimate can and should be 10x in cost and at least 3x in time by default when talking about space.
VC's, in my opinion, changed their financial risk tolerance due to the federal reserve's interest rate policies. As the interest rates moved up, the risk tolerance on start-ups decreased. It appears to me that there is a technical analysis (which may already be done) that can termporarily address this issue. It's the deorbit timeline for ISS. The core functions provided to ISS by Roscosmos appear to be upgraded in Axiom's proposal. Relocation of the JAXA Kibo and ESA Columbus module to Axiom's core may temporarily resolve the discrepancy in the module count. Therefore, I have some questions for the author of this channel. 1. Does Axiom's docking capability to other modules accept ISS modules? 2. If so, has NASA permitted Axiom to discuss with JAXA or ESA the move of Kibo or Columbus to the Axiom core? 3. If the docking capability is not present, perhaps a docking adapter can be added to Axiom's design to permit the movement of Kibo and Columbus to Axiom's core for about 5-10 years? 4. What is the design lifetime of the Kibo and Columbus modules? Can these modules be moved to Axiom's core given their age?
Can NASA make any good decision? Axiom management sounds like they think they are a big fish when they are really a guppy in a big ocean. Is this another Boeing in the making?
Can we just take a second to appreciate how good we've had it with the ISS during the last quarter century? 25 years of continuous human presence in space continues to be a marvel.
I have some questions for the author of this channel. 1. Does Axiom's docking capability to other modules accept ISS modules? 2. If so, has NASA permitted Axiom to discuss with JAXA or ESA the move of Kibo or Columbus to the Axiom core? 3. If the docking capability is not present, perhaps a docking adapter can be added to Axiom's design to permit the movement of Kibo and Columbus to Axiom's core for about 5-10 years? 4. What is the design lifetime of the Kibo and Columbus modules? Can these modules be moved to Axiom's core given their age?
the viewing room is such a money throw away. Yeah its cool... but basicly. Its an office building renting modules/floors. So instead of a viewing room as a brag... they should do an extra working module and get that rented out for cashflow before making the top corneroffice.
I mean, it's also possible the ISS stays up longer than is currently planned. The mission has been extended before, and there is the possibility of issues with SpaceX's contract or some other cause for delay.
😛 and once again...we have the left hand with no clue what the right foot is doing or even where it's at ?! And we need more money to figure out how to attach the left foot to the right hand...Iol, I confused myself 🤣
I don’t think they are in trouble. It’s going to take time for them to do their project. Lots of testing and lots of safety issues they need to deal with. At least, ISS not going to get destroyed until 2030. Plenty of time. Safety issues first!
Do they fit out the modules like a submarine, where the equipment is set inside before the final weld is made rather than having to break everything down and carefully pass it through the hatch?
No problem! Another 15 billion dollars should put them back on track. And put that on the $36 trillion dollar debt pile. We can pay it off in about 400 years.
Paying off debt is a terrible idea and austerity is blamed for Germany being uncompetitive. Debt overwhelmingly provides a multiple-x return on the debt. And you only pay the minimum payment, so that inflation takes care of the principal
@@smallpeople172 That's some wicked indoctrination you got going on there. You can pay off dept without austerity, but life is always better with lower dept then the US has going on right now.
That's rather disheartening news. I should really not be surprised to hear that there was something wrong with that company. It's too bad it took them eight years to change the leadership after so long and late in the game. They should have recognized that there was an issue, however I don't think there's much that can be done at this point. NASA will probably have to intervene in some point or some way to try to help them. If they do have to skim modules I think they may have to take more modules from the ISS then they had planned to. Hopefully the ones they get if they do this, will be in good shape and will supplement the foolishness of the attitude of CEO who really didn't understand what was going on.
Space exploration, exploitation needs a major shift in the way we do things. Constantly throwing money at companies that never deliver on time, or on budget has to stop. Progress is too slow when everyone is trying to extract as much income as possible for little to no results. 50 years ago humans walked on the moon, now we have trouble getting to LEO. Lot's of money got made though... right?
Best op is to build 2nd hab module last. Service module shouldn't be any smaller, or they'll need a 2nd one to complete the original design. And what are the docking ports; same as on ISS now? ISS could use a 3rd docking port soon. Russian dockports just got upgraded 2022, but its a different size. 🚀🏴☠️🎸
I have some questions for the author of this channel. 1. Does Axiom's docking capability to other modules accept ISS modules? 2. If so, has NASA permitted Axiom to discuss with JAXA or ESA the move of Kibo or Columbus to the Axiom core? 3. If the docking capability is not present, perhaps a docking adapter can be added to Axiom's design to permit the movement of Kibo and Columbus to Axiom's core for about 5-10 years? 4. What is the design lifetime of the Kibo and Columbus modules? Can these modules be moved to Axiom's core given their age?
Don't get in bed with NASA or the US government! But your first mistake was hiring a 30 year NASA guy to run the project. You're a new company with new ideas, and now you're stuck with a guy who only knows how the old machine works!
Neither ULA and Blue Origin in the United States nor LandSpace and Deep Blue Space VT/VLs in China are running into problems. Russia just launched ROSCOSMOS 'Angara' Heavy again. Seems only SpaceX and Axiom in the United States and ISRO in India are having problems (first 'Gaganyaan'-based launcher test cancellation April, 2024; no explanation offered). Take a look around...
There always looks like a lot of bullshit engineering going on. Those modules only need to withstand 1bar max, you could basically use a big pipe, but they look to be extremely over-engineered to justify the vast sums of money changing hands.
The FAA and EPA need to get out of SpaceX way, let them finish StarShip. SpaceX could build out base StarShips as long term habitation units, link them and have a larger space station probably at lesser cost?
There's a significant technological difference between rocket shells and space station capsules; they'd have more success transporting the fabricated capsules then assembling them in-space similar to the space shuttle did for the ISS with the larger payload capabilities than deconstructing a starship for use.
Just build a power module and one with a port on the end and two on the sides. Those can be for Serria Space marshmallow habs. Godda work together folks if any of this is going to ever be possible.
I want to know why there is no mechanism to ENSURE financial responsibility and that they are holding up to their side of the bargain. This is a repeating problem and Elon proved that these companies thing of govt as "deep pocket" entities. Contract+ guarantees it either wont be build or held up significantly, while costing us billions more than they should.
There IS no fiscal responsibility- everything goes onto a $36 trillion dollar debt pile and they are spending faster and faster before the whole thing collapses. That is the master plan- everyone get rich before the whole thing implodes.
Why should we wast billions of dollars on a station that is smaller than the international space station. When some modifications to a starship module can do way more and cost less. Riddle me that
A good deal IF he has the money. He's been throwing so much cash away just to support his political goals, I doubt he could buy Axiom even if he wanted to. Yes he is very rich, but he also has a lot of expenses.
The bigger question at this point is…”who’s NOT running into problems and delays?
America needs to talk a good long look in the mirror and realize the people running these companies aren't engineers and designers but financiers and wall street showmen. Its a leadership issue. Ceos take too much money want high margins and quick timelines with understaffed factories and poorly trained employees. SpaceX being the rare exception
Stoke space
the government, oh wait they have unlimited money.. and no brain at all
@@lartorgames stoke hasn't even seen space and they have no income.
Santa Clause. On time with 100% success rate sense AD 280.
Four years late and over budget?? Boeing should be proud of them.
I got this suspicion, that Boeing think exactly the opposit way.
The mismanagement is a shame, because Axiom has some very good thinking going into their designs.
Why am I not surprised that Suffredini doesn't know how to do fixed price? The old school contracting companies are having an extremely hard time adjusting and are behind the times.
An ex Nasa exec not understanding how to run a company without a massive federal budget sounds about right.
Of course, SpaceX is also way over their initial schedule predictions, and probably will need more money to meet their moon mission requirements, but we probably won't talk about that.
For what, Ray? It's a fixed price contract. Also, SpaceX only seem to build HLS as far as already developed. Starship developement is really their own problem only.
@@MichaelWinter-ss6lx They are way behind schedule, and their predictions on how many refueling flights would be needed, as well as Starship payload-to-orbit are off what they initially predicted.
My prediction is, they are going to use up all of the money they got for HLS and go begging the NASA for more.
Point is, SpaceX fanboys love to crap all over NASA and competitors whenever anything goes wrong, but grade SpaceX on a curve when they miss deadlines, need redesigns, etc. Space is hard. Axiom is a commercial company that got a fixed price contract just like spacex, so why the hostility?
NASA is also the org that has two giant space telescopes in space that have massively expanded human understanding of the university. They've sent probes to every planet, to Pluto, to asteroids and comets, including sample return missions.
They landed a fscking SKY CRANE on Mars.
Whining about NASA "bureaucrats" is cheap and easy for RUclipsrs who can barely engineer a backyard tree house.
@@RayCromwell You mean like they CAN'T fly because of BS like an Interstage ring is falling slightly somewhere else?
Just another NASA company with the ceo running NASA for 30 years.
HERE IS THE ISSUE- when you give someone $140 million dollars- I don't care who they are- here is the first thing they buy-
1) new houses
2) new cars
3) vacation homes
4) vacations
5) new homes for closest friends or startup buddies
6) more new cars and houses for startup buddies
7) THEN they may start to plan on building or constructing- but ONLY after a few years.....
8) THEN THEY START ASKING FOR MORE TAXPAYER MAD MONEY- AND REPEAT FROM ISSUE #1.
98% of all Lottery winners are broke after 5 years, no matter how big the winnings.... and for the very reasons you state.
The money in 140 million wasnt givern to one person, it was to the company itself in a contract. A CEO or board member using that money for houses and cars is embezzlement and illegal
@@Astro_Echo And that never happened in human history xD
I think all this news of cost overruns and time delays should just be rephrased into “VC’s/investors wildly underestimate the costs and time required to actually step into space”. It’s endemic in the industry, starting many decades ago and being a consistent feature. Any initial estimate can and should be 10x in cost and at least 3x in time by default when talking about space.
How about not assuming you are the best and look at China's standard? You can't improve without knowing what your real competitor is capable of.
VC's, in my opinion, changed their financial risk tolerance due to the federal reserve's interest rate policies. As the interest rates moved up, the risk tolerance on start-ups decreased. It appears to me that there is a technical analysis (which may already be done) that can termporarily address this issue. It's the deorbit timeline for ISS.
The core functions provided to ISS by Roscosmos appear to be upgraded in Axiom's proposal. Relocation of the JAXA Kibo and ESA Columbus module to Axiom's core may temporarily resolve the discrepancy in the module count. Therefore, I have some questions for the author of this channel.
1. Does Axiom's docking capability to other modules accept ISS modules?
2. If so, has NASA permitted Axiom to discuss with JAXA or ESA the move of Kibo or Columbus to the Axiom core?
3. If the docking capability is not present, perhaps a docking adapter can be added to Axiom's design to permit the movement of Kibo and Columbus to Axiom's core for about 5-10 years?
4. What is the design lifetime of the Kibo and Columbus modules? Can these modules be moved to Axiom's core given their age?
Can NASA make any good decision? Axiom management sounds like they think they are a big fish when they are really a guppy in a big ocean. Is this another Boeing in the making?
Can we just take a second to appreciate how good we've had it with the ISS during the last quarter century? 25 years of continuous human presence in space continues to be a marvel.
I have some questions for the author of this channel.
1. Does Axiom's docking capability to other modules accept ISS modules?
2. If so, has NASA permitted Axiom to discuss with JAXA or ESA the move of Kibo or Columbus to the Axiom core?
3. If the docking capability is not present, perhaps a docking adapter can be added to Axiom's design to permit the movement of Kibo and Columbus to Axiom's core for about 5-10 years?
4. What is the design lifetime of the Kibo and Columbus modules? Can these modules be moved to Axiom's core given their age?
Spaceflight project delayed!
In other news, the sky is still blue
IMHO, they should put up the power/life-support equipment module and habitat module first.
the viewing room is such a money throw away. Yeah its cool... but basicly. Its an office building renting modules/floors. So instead of a viewing room as a brag... they should do an extra working module and get that rented out for cashflow before making the top corneroffice.
Better yet: no viewing room and no extra working module either.
Why are the Kibo and Columbus modules being deorbited by JAXA and ESA instead of being relocated to the Axiom core?
I mean, it's also possible the ISS stays up longer than is currently planned. The mission has been extended before, and there is the possibility of issues with SpaceX's contract or some other cause for delay.
always use 3 sources for information
Tell me this, how many Starships and Boosters can Space X build before Axiom Space gets all the modules finished?
my guess is at least 30
how many do you think?
Zero lol
With or without government interference? 🫤
There are no Starships yet... Only prototypes. Maybe a tie?
Many space companies are not going to make it unfortunately 😕😕😕...
Where is the bathroom? Where do they sleep? Eat?
😛 and once again...we have the left hand with no clue what the right foot is doing or even where it's at ?! And we need more
money to figure out how to attach the left foot to the right hand...Iol, I confused myself 🤣
I don’t think they are in trouble. It’s going to take time for them to do their project. Lots of testing and lots of safety issues they need to deal with. At least, ISS not going to get destroyed until 2030. Plenty of time. Safety issues first!
Do they fit out the modules like a submarine, where the equipment is set inside before the final weld is made rather than having to break everything down and carefully pass it through the hatch?
I don’t trust any Forbes reporting. Could be true but I would want another source.
I thought the issue was was coming down in the near future
No problem! Another 15 billion dollars should put them back on track. And put that on the $36 trillion dollar debt pile. We can pay it off in about 400 years.
Paying off debt is a terrible idea and austerity is blamed for Germany being uncompetitive. Debt overwhelmingly provides a multiple-x return on the debt. And you only pay the minimum payment, so that inflation takes care of the principal
@@smallpeople172 That's some wicked indoctrination you got going on there. You can pay off dept without austerity, but life is always better with lower dept then the US has going on right now.
@@hawkdsl Indoctrination or better yet, agenda!
thanks
That's rather disheartening news. I should really not be surprised to hear that there was something wrong with that company. It's too bad it took them eight years to change the leadership after so long and late in the game. They should have recognized that there was an issue, however I don't think there's much that can be done at this point. NASA will probably have to intervene in some point or some way to try to help them. If they do have to skim modules I think they may have to take more modules from the ISS then they had planned to. Hopefully the ones they get if they do this, will be in good shape and will supplement the foolishness of the attitude of CEO who really didn't understand what was going on.
Space exploration, exploitation needs a major shift in the way we do things. Constantly throwing money at companies that never deliver on time, or on budget has to stop. Progress is too slow when everyone is trying to extract as much income as possible for little to no results. 50 years ago humans walked on the moon, now we have trouble getting to LEO. Lot's of money got made though... right?
Best op is to build 2nd hab module last. Service module shouldn't be any smaller, or they'll need a 2nd one to complete the original design. And what are the docking ports; same as on ISS now? ISS could use a 3rd docking port soon. Russian dockports just got upgraded 2022, but its a different size.
🚀🏴☠️🎸
I have some questions for the author of this channel.
1. Does Axiom's docking capability to other modules accept ISS modules?
2. If so, has NASA permitted Axiom to discuss with JAXA or ESA the move of Kibo or Columbus to the Axiom core?
3. If the docking capability is not present, perhaps a docking adapter can be added to Axiom's design to permit the movement of Kibo and Columbus to Axiom's core for about 5-10 years?
4. What is the design lifetime of the Kibo and Columbus modules? Can these modules be moved to Axiom's core given their age?
Thanksman!
Don't get in bed with NASA or the US government! But your first mistake was hiring a 30 year NASA guy to run the project. You're a new company with new ideas, and now you're stuck with a guy who only knows how the old machine works!
Neither ULA and Blue Origin in the United States nor LandSpace and Deep Blue Space VT/VLs in China are running into problems.
Russia just launched ROSCOSMOS 'Angara' Heavy again.
Seems only SpaceX and Axiom in the United States and ISRO in India are having problems (first 'Gaganyaan'-based launcher test cancellation April, 2024; no explanation offered).
Take a look around...
AXIOM my godd this is getting draining....there advertisments look like a DEI proof of concept.
Yawn, so what else is news?
There always looks like a lot of bullshit engineering going on. Those modules only need to withstand 1bar max, you could basically use a big pipe, but they look to be extremely over-engineered to justify the vast sums of money changing hands.
Looks like NASA should have contracted the Chinese to build us a new space station. Theirs has been built and is now in orbit and working well.
Yes, but America and China aren’t exactly best buddies
Think they got them ali express..and temu......can even get them delivered to any altitude you want.
@@leschortos9196 SKULLEMOJIII💀
Funny, because the ISS is in orbit and working also.
@@hawkdsl barely, but yes
The FAA and EPA need to get out of SpaceX way, let them finish StarShip. SpaceX could build out base StarShips as long term habitation units, link them and have a larger space station probably at lesser cost?
There's a significant technological difference between rocket shells and space station capsules; they'd have more success transporting the fabricated capsules then assembling them in-space similar to the space shuttle did for the ISS with the larger payload capabilities than deconstructing a starship for use.
Just build a power module and one with a port on the end and two on the sides. Those can be for Serria Space marshmallow habs. Godda work together folks if any of this is going to ever be possible.
"marshmallow habs" - I like that.
@@hawkdsl Stay-Puff Marshmallow Station. No Ghost Allowed.
Give it to SpaceX.
man baby space karen is already on massive gov cash ie yours .
I want to know why there is no mechanism to ENSURE financial responsibility and that they are holding up to their side of the bargain. This is a repeating problem and Elon proved that these companies thing of govt as "deep pocket" entities. Contract+ guarantees it either wont be build or held up significantly, while costing us billions more than they should.
Idiotic comment. NASA isn't paying Axiom billions. It's not using "contract+" either.
There IS no fiscal responsibility- everything goes onto a $36 trillion dollar debt pile and they are spending faster and faster before the whole thing collapses. That is the master plan- everyone get rich before the whole thing implodes.
Why should we wast billions of dollars on a station that is smaller than the international space station. When some modifications to a starship module can do way more and cost less. Riddle me that
Because starship is not fit to stay in space for long duration and many more reasons
Also he iss was much more than axiom price
There is no need for a space station anyway.
carrying water for Elon, (which is good for you tube subscriptions), free to report on "serious concerns", we all know Forbes is 'neutral'.
Space X can help lol 😂
Sounds like Elon can get a good deal
Axiom space does many other things so Elon will definitely not be able to buy the company or the station
A good deal IF he has the money. He's been throwing so much cash away just to support his political goals, I doubt he could buy Axiom even if he wanted to.
Yes he is very rich, but he also has a lot of expenses.
@@martythemartian99 With the way Tesla and Spacex is going he'll be bankrupt soon. If not jailed before then.
something else for him to screw up and blame the FAA.
What a surprise , the whole private space industry is a investor scam .
they really should've chosen a name that doesn't start with A. so, instead of I.S.S., it's...
😂😂,😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@MyDemon32 Yea, but clowns are funny too.