Thanks for the review! I am waiting for the real show down review from Eric… Mystery Ranch Bridger vs the Gregory Baltoro. The MR Bridger is new vs. this Gregory Baltoro redesign. This will be my first backpack purchase so waiting for the head to head show down. Hope to see it soon!
Thanks for your thorough review. My husband has the Baltoro 65 for the past 2.5 years which he really likes. This new one is intriguing with the more breathable suspension. We will have to take a look at the 2022 version!
@@colinmckee7613 No, we actually sold our Gregory packs to go UL and bought the Gossamer Gear Mariposa 60L pack. At 2 lbs., we knocked off over 3.5 lbs. from our Gregory packs. I'll be 71 in August and am trying to cut down how much I pack. There are things like my Chair Zero which I really need due to a bad back, so I have to cut down weight everywhere that I can, like the pack itself.
Thanks - appreciate your review. I've been a long term user of Gregory backpacks, most recently the Baltoro 85. This has been a superb pack for ten day to two week treks. You demonstrated some interesting revisions - updates that are nice enhancements. I'll certainly keep this in mind when replacement needed.
Something to note with this version, you no longer get a raincover included, nor do you get the removable summit pack. Both are now sold separately for $39.95 a piece. 🤑
@@GetUpTheMountains - I saw another review on the 2022 Baltoro where Gregory duped the reviewer by including the rain cover in the evaluation version. Cutting out the rain cover and removable summit pack is how they got the reported weight down. So to compare to the 2018 version you have to add the weight of those two options as well as another $80. :(
@@TrekStar30 You can see it on a bunch of places if you look at comments. Occasionally you'll find a Gregory sales rep come in and paste this company response that blames the pandemic shortages for the "hard choices" they've had to make, and a bunch of other excuses. I made a poor review mentioning the decrease in value on Gregory's webpage for the new Baltoro and it was removed for "violating their review guidelines" lol. They're totally pulling the wool over their customer's eyes. Not cool.
I have the previous model Baltoro 65 that I bought just over 2 years ago and love it. My wife and I both got one and we were able to pack enough for a 2 night trip with everything we needed for our 2 year old (extra sleeping pad, sleeping bag, toys) and we had a lot of food left over when we left. We also brought a bunch of luxury items (tarps, chairs, etc...). The 65 should easily be able to handle 1 person for 4 days if you don't bring a bunch of luxury items. Like he said, if you pack smart you could easily extend the range out to 7+ days. Such a versatile backpack that works for beginners and thru hikers alike.
I own Gregory Baltoro 65l 2018 model and i am in love with it. It's my 3 days backpack and i do carry camera ICU with tripod so it was best backpack to offer futures and functions that fitted my needs. It's very comfortable on hikes, but not on long bicycle rides 😔 All the pockets, zippers and straps are so well designed 👍👍👍 So far can't see any better backpack than this baby ❤️
I have the baltoro 75 from about 6 years ago. Love it and find it extremely comfortable. Only downside is the it is a little heavy. Would be interesting if they could have dropped the weight to around 3 to 3.25 lbs. But oh well, I just need to keep maintaining my workouts.
Cut the rain cover, sold separately for $39.95. They also cut the summit pack/hydration bladder, also sold separately for an additional $39.95. So you have to spend $80 more to get what the old Baltoro had... yikes.
Nice thorough review. I have the older version with the one pocket brain and different sacrum grip on the hip belt. I found it super stable with 40lbs in her for a two nighter. The trail I was on was heavy Eastern Forest, narrow, wet, and very rooty/ undulating. My Baltoro 65 never caused me to forced me off my centre of gravity. Pleased cause third day hike out was in the rain and that trail was really slippy. I paid three hundred and something CDN for mine. Must have been seven years ago. That and my Gregory Massif are a pride and joy.
Love this pack. Great review. My dog was also extremely excited to see yours out there lol. He would love hiking/backpacking.. but then again, his favorite part about camp gear is the sleeping bag & how delicious it is.. 🙃
Tip for some: If you do not like the hip belt straps dangling like that the hip belt pockets should have Velcro, just pull the hip belt pockets up and tuck the straps behind the pocket to get them out of the way
Hip belt redesign means no more lifting them up. They're standard style, non-velcro type pockets now. They also did away with the WeatherShield fully waterproof hip pocket.
No waayyy!!! I have JUST LITERALLY TODAY bave discovered the Gregory Baltamore backpack (through another video that wasn't even advertising it, it was just there in the background!) And I have shared it with my bf to try and convince him to have a look at it, and maybe... even love it enough to buy it?? But what happened to the comparison I was expecting?? You said that you had the older version for a long time but no mention of what's different? Better? Not better?? I feel scammed!! You didn't talk about none of that!! Most importantly!! Are the hip belts pockets bigger now??! Apparently they are far too small for a regular modern sized phone.in it's current version!! I need answers!!! 😩😩😭 😉😂
Great review! I do have an Osprey Aether but they are just so darn heavy. I used that for a couple years and just can't do it the heavy weights anymore.
Rainfly now sold separately for $40. Gregory provided review packs to influencers with a rainfly, so many new reviews overlook it's removal for 2022. Gregory's reasoning is some real hilarious skrinkflation logic about "saving the customer money" because "not everyone needs a raincover", as though some of their customers apparently aren't hiking under the sky.
Great review! I buy recently Gregory Stout 60l and in the future I will buy Gregory Baltoro75l for winter backpacking. How it looks from your video I'm very satisfied with design!
Get ready for a shock in weight going from the stouts to any of the "full featured" Gregory packs. They have a lot of added stuff I find I don't need and zippers Gregory loves adding as many zippers as they can lol I miss my old Stout the simplistic design and lightness. I now run a Zulu 55 for 80% of my 1-2 nighters and bought a used baltoro 65 for winter camping. definately the baltoro is more suited to technical trekking, winter camping etc. the amount of attachment points and loops on mine and the sheer toughness of it makes it a high quality bag but I do think it's way over kill for anyone novice or doing a overnighter.
I think you must have the 2021 version price. Both at Gregorypacks and REI the new version in $320. I just bought last year’s version for less than $200. I love Gregory packs and despite the additional weight (Baltoro) it’s worth it. I also own a Paragon 58 which is super comfortable, but I’m handing it off to my son. Nice review!
I think he is seeing the previous version's discounted price too. Almost all of the changes are at the back, if you look at the front of the packs they are practically identical. His pack in 2017 was a very different pack from the one that followed.
How did you like the Paragon 58? I’m thinking of getting one simply because of how much cheaper they are than these and I’m a weekend guy, I don’t think I’ll need all 65L.
@@Corndog4382 Hi ConRon, I know you weren't asking me but I had the 1st gen Paragon 58 for several years, and it served me well. Many 5-day and week-long hikes. Sometimes hiking 4-5 hours without taking it off. Gregory says it'll carry 50lbs, I know I've been close when starting out for a long trip and having to carry a week's worth of food and up to 5 quarts of water. I gave it to a friend recently and picked up a new 3rd gen Paragon 68 mainly just to make packing up easier. I think you should go for it, I think there are discounted gen 2 packs available now too.
$320 + $80 more if you want the previously included features of a raincover and a hydration bladder holder/ summit pack. $400 is too much for this bag.
I have one, and my big concern is the very small zipper for the front flap. Mystery Ranch makes massive zippers for their flaps, but this looks like something you'd find on a cheap jacket... the kind that's always going off track and eventually becoming useless.
One of the reasons Gregory makes longer hip belt straps is because they, unlike other pack developers, are committed to creating packs for larger sized bodies... I never considered that they might be in the way for smaller sized bodies.
Yes, they've got a whole line for the overweight, but they are denoted as "plus sized" on their page. It looks like the new Baltoro is not available in "plus size" yet. There are further differences such as shoulder strap length, shoulder strap angle, load lifter position, and hip pocket position.
@@ZachBrimhall hey there The hip belt on the baltoro has adjustable padding which can be extended for wider body's. As a strap around your waist is indeed uncomfortable. For me, as a slim person, I will just cut the extra length of those straps.
I was torn between the Baltoro and the Aether, and ultimately went home with the Aether. The big difference when I was shopping was the price difference. At the time the Baltoro was $30 more and it didn’t include the rain cover. That made the price between the two more like $70 if you’re getting the OEM cover. Now that the Aether has had a price increase, I think the decision would be harder. I really liked the comfort of the Baltoro, but the Aether is also extremely comfortable. But even then, unless you find one exceptionally more comfortable, it’s hard to justify any price difference for a 4oz difference in weight. I also don’t know that I would prefer the extra pockets of the Baltoro. As I’ve packed my pack repeatedly I find that I’m liking it better with less dividers. The hip belt and top lid are plenty of compartments for me.
@@cswann8 The current version of the Baltoro was updated in ‘21 I think. Higher price, no rain cover, no day pack in the newest current version. But it is a little more comfortable in my opinion
I like external pockets to catch all the little stuff, but I have learned over the years that I don't care about sleeping bag compartments. The way you pack, or at least the way I pack, it's the first thing in and the last thing out so it's just as easy to do it from the top than fiddle with the zippers and buckles of a sleeping bag compartment.
Just a nitpick I noticed: You have your rain jacket immediately at your fingertips, yet you have to flip up the lid to get to the rain cover for the pack.
So it's an Osprey Atmos AG 65, but from Gregory. I wish Osprey or Gregory would make this exact model in a 32ish liter.. Same pockets and features, just smaller pack.
I am embarking on a 15 day expedition traversing a mountain range. Can't decide between the Osprey Aether 70 plus or the Gregory Baltoro 75. Any preference? Thanks. Ian
I'm having a tough time decide which pack I want for my first backpack. I'm trying to decide between this Baltoro 65L and the Osprey Atmos AG 65L. I haven't gotten to physically try either out (yet) but going by looks i really like the Atmos's suspension system. I have back issues if I'm not careful. But I really like the large front opening on the Baltoro, it would come in handy when wanting to grab my camera or drone.
I was looking at the Atmos AG 65 until I tried it on. I loaded the bag with approximately 25 lbs and all of the weight stayed in my shoulders. The rep at the store suggested trying in the Baltoro and I was sold after loaded it up.
A loaded 65 liter pack and it’s 35 lbs only? Haha what? Man 15 years ago my loaded up 55 liter Gregory weighed like 50 lbs on a trip. It was brutal doing 9 mile days up and down elevation on a section of the John Muir trail.
I purchased Gregory katmai 65 L empire blue and can't wait to receive it and take it on an adventure yay can you please Make a review about it please!!!
I'm just getting started into backpacking and ready to upgrade to a nice pack. Been looking at the Gregory Baltoro 65 or the Mystery Ranch Terraframe 65. Been going back and forth for a while now. You've mentioned before the Terraframe is your go to pack. Given the choice of baltoro or Terraframe, does one really edge out the other? Thanks for the review!
I know, 10 months later. I can't speak to the Mystery Ranch product but as a Baltoro 65 owner, I can say it's very good pack. Just about everything is adjustable so getting a good fit should be easy for just about any body. Honestly I'm scratching my head over the price of the Mystery Ranch. It's quite a bit more expensive and it's several ounces heavier. And the page doesn't mention a rain cover which the Gregory includes. But honestly I think a waterproof plastic pack liner is better than a rain cover so I wouldn't put much weight on that when choosing. Also, one thing I love about the Gregory is that you can access the main compartment 3 different ways. From the top like a large sac. From the bottom if you just want to grab something from the bottom without unpacking the whole thing. And third, you can unzip the back panel and access the main compartment like a suitcase.
Since you have an early release isn't it possible that the sale prices of 200 to 250 you are seeing are retailers clearing out the soon to be Old models in preparation for this one?
Indeed. Baltoro65 sells for $319 on Gregory's website + another $80 if you want the previously-included raincover and summit pack/hydration bladder holder. $399 total now.
I got older one last year. I sue with the hip pockets. They where small and the mess one tore the first trip out. REI replaced it. Did they fix that on the new version
The hip pockets are no longer mesh-on-one-side/waterproof-on-the-other. They enlarged them and made them standard style hip pockets sewn down to the hip belt.
Thanks for the review! I have an atmos 65 and love it except for not being able to access my water bottle without removing my bag. How do you find the water bottle pocket on this bag?
I’m looking to update my pack. I need something for 5 days plus climbing gear. Can the Baltoro 75 handle it? Anyone have other recommendations? Thanks.
It can, but for the price there are packs with better warranties, better features, and come with a rain cover. If you're sold on the Baltoro75, try to find the pre-2022 model.
Great review but Gregory for whatever reason has decided not to include the rain cover with the 2022 model. First Gregory Baltoro I have purchased that did not include it. Disappointing but I have an old one I can use.
I actually wrote to Gregory to ask them about why they've skrinkflated the raincover right out of most of their pack offerings, while increasing the price of packs across the board. Their reply to me was that not every customer uses their packs in the rain, so its more environmentally friendly to not include them. They actually suggested I use a rain cover from an old pack, lol. They also had no real answer for not including the summit pack anymore either. So, we get far less pack than before, pay more money for it, and the CEO of Samsonite (who bought Gregory Packs in 2014) gets another mega yacht. Thanks for nothing, Greg!
No longer comes with that summit pack/hydration bladder holder, for sale separately for $40. No raincover either. Sold separately for another $40. I am baffled as to why the reviewer doesn't mention this.
Almost every backpack I’ve ever owned has had the issue of straps that are FAR too long for practical use. Whether it is the waste belt, side straps, or any other random strap found on the pack, they all needed to be severely shortened. I don’t understand who these manufacturers think they are catering to, but it is completely unnecessary. There is nothing worse than having an extra two feet of strap flapping around and getting in the way of you comfortably using your pack. Please manufacturers, ADDRESS THIS!
Cutting of is Easy. Adding extra length is kinda difficult. As they are mass produced bags for alot of people it's just logical to go with extra length
And then some people complain they are too short, like even Eric here on his Bridger 65 (the bottom ones for pads/tents)...i guess it's always easier to cut them then to make them longer
Honestly the built and looks of the back pannel mesh and the hip belt thats literally the Osprey AG system. The only downside on the Ospreys is the aluminum frame. Its bent up in ways that really shortens the capacity of the backpack but makes it more breatheable
Thats the old models that had the liftable velcro side pockets. These new hip pockets are sewn down onto the belt like a Katmai, Zulu, Stout, or Paragon. Video didn't really cover the differences.
@@JoelManers No sweat, Joel. I have the old model Baltoro, and I'd quite like having the larger hip pockets. I'd cut the waist strap down to my required length and sew the ends over to finish. 👍
@@GetUpTheMountains Agreed. I have the old Baltoro 75. It’s a fantastic load hauler and tough as nails. I recently bought an REI Flash 55 though. I use that one as a light weight weekend pack. It’s about half the weight of the Baltoro. If I could only have one pack though, I’d probably get the Paragon 55. It’s a nice compromise between the two.
@@JoelManers So I had a deeper look at the Baltoro today, Joel. Get this. For the same $350 price as our old one, it no longer comes with a rain cover, which is now sold separately at $39.95. They also no longer include the summit pack/hydration bladder holder, also sold separately as the "Nano14" at $39.95. That's 2 dropped features on this new model costing an additional $80! Can you imagine having to pay $430 for the same Baltoro75 as the old one? Greg appears to be nickle and dimeing out here. Not impressed.
The hip belt pockets are hook and loop to the belt. You can lift them up after snugging the belt and stash the extra belt under them so they're not dangling down in front of you.
@@ch3mo883 i decided on the Atmos because i got it for a £100 cheaper than the Baltoro. The Aether's back mesh didnt look as good as the Atmos but that's what you're paying the extra for. My Atmos will be here today. Hoping it was the right choice.
I wore both yesterday and went for the gregory. The main reason was the lack of cushioning on the lower back on the osprey. After 3 minutes wearing it I already had a Hotspot which would become a sore spot after a day of hiking. The padding there is really really thin.
Liking for the sweet hike can't wait to go to Arizona and do some hiking in the Sedona area, Grand Canyon, and Saguaro National Park. I don't really like Gregory they are made more for rock climbers and ice climbers. Still set on Osprey. Although I do like that uzip on the brain and the adjustable sternum strap is nice.
I have a pile of BP’s (even a few Gregory packs which I love) but once I moved over to the UL world a few years ago I can’t bring myself to carrying a 4-5 lb pack 😳…… ever again unless I’m hitting the trail on a long trip in the winter. That pack is half of my winter base weight including my pack
I'm in the market for a load hauler and while some recommend ULs, the consensus view seems to be that the comfort gained from a heavier pack is worth the extra couple of pounds. I've read too many reviews about UL minimalist shoulder straps cutting into you. I think it would be better to just lose a couple of pounds body weight and buy the heavier pack with a better, padded harness system.
WHY IT SEEM'S LIKE CHEAPER BACK PACK HAVE WHAT YOU REALLY NEED? FOR ONE S LOT OF THEM HAVE SIDE POCKET'S THAT AREN'T IN SIDE THE BAG TAKING UP SPACE WHEN FULL. ANOTHER ONE IS. WHAT'S UP WITH THIS HALF CIRCLE OPENING ON THE SLEEPING BAG COMPARTMENT? I ALL SO MISS THE TWO ALUMIUM BACK FRAME'S. OTHER THAN THAT THE NEWER BACK'S ARE AWESOME AN THE GET THE JOB DONE. OH I FOR GOT ABOUT THE MOLLE WEBBING ON THE OUT SIDE. IT REALLY HANDY FOR ADDING MORE POUCHES FOR MORE SPACE.
And the summit pack no longer included either. All while raising the price by $20. Both are available to purchase separately not for $40 each. 😬 $20+$40+$40= $100 extra to get what the old model had. Shrinkflation at its worst.
I strongly disagree with you on the Gerber folding knife. It, very frankly, is unsafe. a finger can (and in my case did) get in the gaps, and cut you. Please reconsider this recommendation. As a fellow Eric, that should carry extra clout.
It is impossible to reach for me. I can touch it, but that's it, can't get it out and definitely can't put it back in. It's a gimmicky feature they never should've sacrificed the normal side pocket to implement. That said, some people can do it no problem, but then some people aren't 50 years old (yet) and don't have a shoulder that was horribly broken in their youth and probably cost them a lot of range of motion. Everybody can benefit from a standard side pocket, though, and that's what they should've put there.
@@GetUpTheMountains I wouldn't say it's completely useless. I hate that pocket, but it is good for storing extra water or even just an empty bottle to use in camp. Plus, if you're mad and just want something to gripe about you can pull it out and fuss about how stupid it is, because it is a stupid feature.
Thanks for the review!
I am waiting for the real show down review from Eric… Mystery Ranch Bridger vs the Gregory Baltoro.
The MR Bridger is new vs. this Gregory Baltoro redesign. This will be my first backpack purchase so waiting for the head to head show down. Hope to see it soon!
Thanks for your thorough review. My husband has the Baltoro 65 for the past 2.5 years which he really likes. This new one is intriguing with the more breathable suspension. We will have to take a look at the 2022 version!
hi!! Has he sense checked out to the new? Trying to pick between the older vs newer now (tough call with the older being so much cheaper!)
@@colinmckee7613 No, we actually sold our Gregory packs to go UL and bought the Gossamer Gear Mariposa 60L pack. At 2 lbs., we knocked off over 3.5 lbs. from our Gregory packs. I'll be 71 in August and am trying to cut down how much I pack. There are things like my Chair Zero which I really need due to a bad back, so I have to cut down weight everywhere that I can, like the pack itself.
Thanks - appreciate your review. I've been a long term user of Gregory backpacks, most recently the Baltoro 85. This has been a superb pack for ten day to two week treks. You demonstrated some interesting revisions - updates that are nice enhancements. I'll certainly keep this in mind when replacement needed.
Something to note with this version, you no longer get a raincover included, nor do you get the removable summit pack. Both are now sold separately for $39.95 a piece. 🤑
@@GetUpTheMountains - I saw another review on the 2022 Baltoro where Gregory duped the reviewer by including the rain cover in the evaluation version. Cutting out the rain cover and removable summit pack is how they got the reported weight down. So to compare to the 2018 version you have to add the weight of those two options as well as another $80. :(
@@TrekStar30 You can see it on a bunch of places if you look at comments. Occasionally you'll find a Gregory sales rep come in and paste this company response that blames the pandemic shortages for the "hard choices" they've had to make, and a bunch of other excuses. I made a poor review mentioning the decrease in value on Gregory's webpage for the new Baltoro and it was removed for "violating their review guidelines" lol. They're totally pulling the wool over their customer's eyes. Not cool.
I have the previous model Baltoro 65 that I bought just over 2 years ago and love it. My wife and I both got one and we were able to pack enough for a 2 night trip with everything we needed for our 2 year old (extra sleeping pad, sleeping bag, toys) and we had a lot of food left over when we left. We also brought a bunch of luxury items (tarps, chairs, etc...). The 65 should easily be able to handle 1 person for 4 days if you don't bring a bunch of luxury items. Like he said, if you pack smart you could easily extend the range out to 7+ days. Such a versatile backpack that works for beginners and thru hikers alike.
I own Gregory Baltoro 65l 2018 model and i am in love with it. It's my 3 days backpack and i do carry camera ICU with tripod so it was best backpack to offer futures and functions that fitted my needs. It's very comfortable on hikes, but not on long bicycle rides 😔 All the pockets, zippers and straps are so well designed 👍👍👍 So far can't see any better backpack than this baby ❤️
You bicycle with a 65 liter backpack :O OMG watch your back mate!
If you dont mind, what ICU are you using. Looking for one right now.
Have you had any issues with it squeaking/creaking?
@@SachithWithana i us Tenba dslr size icu. super satisfied 🫶🏻
@@enterprise8979 nope, works like a charm since i got it 🤞🏻
I have the baltoro 75 from about 6 years ago. Love it and find it extremely comfortable. Only downside is the it is a little heavy. Would be interesting if they could have dropped the weight to around 3 to 3.25 lbs. But oh well, I just need to keep maintaining my workouts.
Production version cut the rain cover FYI
Cut the rain cover, sold separately for $39.95. They also cut the summit pack/hydration bladder, also sold separately for an additional $39.95. So you have to spend $80 more to get what the old Baltoro had... yikes.
In Europe the rain cover is included in the price.
Nice thorough review. I have the older version with the one pocket brain and different sacrum grip on the hip belt. I found it super stable with 40lbs in her for a two nighter. The trail I was on was heavy Eastern Forest, narrow, wet, and very rooty/ undulating. My Baltoro 65 never caused me to forced me off my centre of gravity. Pleased cause third day hike out was in the rain and that trail was really slippy. I paid three hundred and something CDN for mine. Must have been seven years ago. That and my Gregory Massif are a pride and joy.
Love this pack. Great review. My dog was also extremely excited to see yours out there lol. He would love hiking/backpacking.. but then again, his favorite part about camp gear is the sleeping bag & how delicious it is.. 🙃
Tip for some: If you do not like the hip belt straps dangling like that the hip belt pockets should have Velcro, just pull the hip belt pockets up and tuck the straps behind the pocket to get them out of the way
Hip belt redesign means no more lifting them up. They're standard style, non-velcro type pockets now. They also did away with the WeatherShield fully waterproof hip pocket.
Used my baltoro 65 for a 7 day camping trip and worked great. Love the backpack.
Have you had any issues with it squeaking/creaking?
No waayyy!!! I have JUST LITERALLY TODAY bave discovered the Gregory Baltamore backpack (through another video that wasn't even advertising it, it was just there in the background!) And I have shared it with my bf to try and convince him to have a look at it, and maybe... even love it enough to buy it??
But what happened to the comparison I was expecting?? You said that you had the older version for a long time but no mention of what's different? Better? Not better??
I feel scammed!! You didn't talk about none of that!!
Most importantly!! Are the hip belts pockets bigger now??! Apparently they are far too small for a regular modern sized phone.in it's current version!!
I need answers!!! 😩😩😭
😉😂
Nice review. I have been using the Mystery Ranch Terraframe 65L for the past year and love it. Very well made pack.
Great review! I do have an Osprey Aether but they are just so darn heavy. I used that for a couple years and just can't do it the heavy weights anymore.
There’s no rain fly included in this one lol, their website doesn’t specify one
Rainfly now sold separately for $40. Gregory provided review packs to influencers with a rainfly, so many new reviews overlook it's removal for 2022. Gregory's reasoning is some real hilarious skrinkflation logic about "saving the customer money" because "not everyone needs a raincover", as though some of their customers apparently aren't hiking under the sky.
I really wish this comment was higher up as this may have changed my mind when deciding between the Atmos and the Baltoro!
@@bretsmith2334 wouldve been nice to have it covered in the video specifically discussing the revamp too.
Great review! I buy recently Gregory Stout 60l and in the future I will buy Gregory Baltoro75l for winter backpacking. How it looks from your video I'm very satisfied with design!
Get ready for a shock in weight going from the stouts to any of the "full featured" Gregory packs. They have a lot of added stuff I find I don't need and zippers Gregory loves adding as many zippers as they can lol I miss my old Stout the simplistic design and lightness.
I now run a Zulu 55 for 80% of my 1-2 nighters and bought a used baltoro 65 for winter camping.
definately the baltoro is more suited to technical trekking, winter camping etc. the amount of attachment points and loops on mine and the sheer toughness of it makes it a high quality bag but I do think it's way over kill for anyone novice or doing a overnighter.
I think you must have the 2021 version price. Both at Gregorypacks and REI the new version in $320. I just bought last year’s version for less than $200. I love Gregory packs and despite the additional weight (Baltoro) it’s worth it. I also own a Paragon 58 which is super comfortable, but I’m handing it off to my son. Nice review!
I think he is seeing the previous version's discounted price too. Almost all of the changes are at the back, if you look at the front of the packs they are practically identical. His pack in 2017 was a very different pack from the one that followed.
How did you like the Paragon 58? I’m thinking of getting one simply because of how much cheaper they are than these and I’m a weekend guy, I don’t think I’ll need all 65L.
@@Corndog4382 Hi ConRon, I know you weren't asking me but I had the 1st gen Paragon 58 for several years, and it served me well. Many 5-day and week-long hikes. Sometimes hiking 4-5 hours without taking it off. Gregory says it'll carry 50lbs, I know I've been close when starting out for a long trip and having to carry a week's worth of food and up to 5 quarts of water. I gave it to a friend recently and picked up a new 3rd gen Paragon 68 mainly just to make packing up easier. I think you should go for it, I think there are discounted gen 2 packs available now too.
@@TheTrudge Great, thank you for the reply. It seems like a good balance between a budget pack and a top of the line pack. I think I’ll go with it.
$320 + $80 more if you want the previously included features of a raincover and a hydration bladder holder/ summit pack. $400 is too much for this bag.
I have the previous model of this pack and I absolutely love it.
I have one, and my big concern is the very small zipper for the front flap. Mystery Ranch makes massive zippers for their flaps, but this looks like something you'd find on a cheap jacket... the kind that's always going off track and eventually becoming useless.
One of the reasons Gregory makes longer hip belt straps is because they, unlike other pack developers, are committed to creating packs for larger sized bodies... I never considered that they might be in the way for smaller sized bodies.
If that's the case then the padded waist belt would be offered in different sizes. Who wants that strap cutting into their abdomen?
Yes, they've got a whole line for the overweight, but they are denoted as "plus sized" on their page. It looks like the new Baltoro is not available in "plus size" yet. There are further differences such as shoulder strap length, shoulder strap angle, load lifter position, and hip pocket position.
Why don't you just put the work in and lose weight? Being fat is unhealthy and unsightly.
@@ZachBrimhall hey there
The hip belt on the baltoro has adjustable padding which can be extended for wider body's.
As a strap around your waist is indeed uncomfortable.
For me, as a slim person, I will just cut the extra length of those straps.
REI Labor Day Sale this year is perfect for getting this bag, I got this for $179! Absolutely wild!
thank you for the great review and fun video to learn about this pack!
I was torn between the Baltoro and the Aether, and ultimately went home with the Aether. The big difference when I was shopping was the price difference. At the time the Baltoro was $30 more and it didn’t include the rain cover. That made the price between the two more like $70 if you’re getting the OEM cover.
Now that the Aether has had a price increase, I think the decision would be harder. I really liked the comfort of the Baltoro, but the Aether is also extremely comfortable. But even then, unless you find one exceptionally more comfortable, it’s hard to justify any price difference for a 4oz difference in weight.
I also don’t know that I would prefer the extra pockets of the Baltoro. As I’ve packed my pack repeatedly I find that I’m liking it better with less dividers. The hip belt and top lid are plenty of compartments for me.
That's odd I bought my Baltoro 65 in Dec 2020 and it came with a rain cover.
@@cswann8 The current version of the Baltoro was updated in ‘21 I think. Higher price, no rain cover, no day pack in the newest current version. But it is a little more comfortable in my opinion
@@williekenk wow. That's a bummer. That was a good selling point.
I like external pockets to catch all the little stuff, but I have learned over the years that I don't care about sleeping bag compartments. The way you pack, or at least the way I pack, it's the first thing in and the last thing out so it's just as easy to do it from the top than fiddle with the zippers and buckles of a sleeping bag compartment.
You may be able to hold the long waist straps under the hip belt pockets if there velcro like the older version
They are not the same lift-up velcro style as the old ones now. New ones are sewn down onto the belt like a Katmai, Zulu, Stout, or Paragon.
Just a nitpick I noticed: You have your rain jacket immediately at your fingertips, yet you have to flip up the lid to get to the rain cover for the pack.
This pack seems like a similar, wider version of the Deuter Air-contact that I have, with way more features lol. Looks like a great pack.
I just bought one from REI, it didn’t come with a rain cover. Can you confirm it is included with a new 2022 bag
You are right I also bought this with no rain fly. (Aug 22)
Baffling that this review didn't cover the loss of the raincover, or the loss of the summit pack/hydro sleeve from previous versions.
Looks more like the 85 liter Pro version than 65 liter ?
So it's an Osprey Atmos AG 65, but from Gregory. I wish Osprey or Gregory would make this exact model in a 32ish liter.. Same pockets and features, just smaller pack.
I agree, you could have a 50in waist and those help straps would still be far too long lol
I am embarking on a 15 day expedition traversing a mountain range. Can't decide between the Osprey Aether 70 plus or the Gregory Baltoro 75. Any preference? Thanks. Ian
Do you think the Gregory Baltaro compares with the 65 Zulu as far as organization and comfort?
Thanks for your review. Would be interested to see what you think of the Decathlon Forclaz Trek 100, which is a lower cost backpack.
I'm having a tough time decide which pack I want for my first backpack. I'm trying to decide between this Baltoro 65L and the Osprey Atmos AG 65L. I haven't gotten to physically try either out (yet) but going by looks i really like the Atmos's suspension system. I have back issues if I'm not careful. But I really like the large front opening on the Baltoro, it would come in handy when wanting to grab my camera or drone.
I was looking at the Atmos AG 65 until I tried it on. I loaded the bag with approximately 25 lbs and all of the weight stayed in my shoulders. The rep at the store suggested trying in the Baltoro and I was sold after loaded it up.
@@TravisNewton1979 thanks for the input! I'm going to be going to some local shops and actually trying the packs before I buy.
Thanks dude, great review!🔥
This might be my next bug out bag. My setup now has me looking like I’m going to war 😎😂 I think something more subtle might be better.
haha, I think you'll like it!
A loaded 65 liter pack and it’s 35 lbs only? Haha what? Man 15 years ago my loaded up 55 liter Gregory weighed like 50 lbs on a trip. It was brutal doing 9 mile days up and down elevation on a section of the John Muir trail.
Do I need a pack liner? First timer. Thanks.
What is the most stable backpack you've used? Great review!
I love my 2023 Baltoro.
It's out on REI for $320.
I purchased Gregory katmai 65 L empire blue and can't wait to receive it and take it on an adventure yay can you please Make a review about it please!!!
Thanks for the recommendation, I will continue to review other backpacks!
Would this back system be better than a trampoline one on some other backpacks? Cooling / sweating and support wise I mean :-)
I'm just getting started into backpacking and ready to upgrade to a nice pack.
Been looking at the Gregory Baltoro 65 or the Mystery Ranch Terraframe 65.
Been going back and forth for a while now. You've mentioned before the Terraframe is your go to pack.
Given the choice of baltoro or Terraframe, does one really edge out the other?
Thanks for the review!
I know, 10 months later. I can't speak to the Mystery Ranch product but as a Baltoro 65 owner, I can say it's very good pack. Just about everything is adjustable so getting a good fit should be easy for just about any body. Honestly I'm scratching my head over the price of the Mystery Ranch. It's quite a bit more expensive and it's several ounces heavier. And the page doesn't mention a rain cover which the Gregory includes. But honestly I think a waterproof plastic pack liner is better than a rain cover so I wouldn't put much weight on that when choosing.
Also, one thing I love about the Gregory is that you can access the main compartment 3 different ways. From the top like a large sac. From the bottom if you just want to grab something from the bottom without unpacking the whole thing. And third, you can unzip the back panel and access the main compartment like a suitcase.
Since you have an early release isn't it possible that the sale prices of 200 to 250 you are seeing are retailers clearing out the soon to be Old models in preparation for this one?
Indeed. Baltoro65 sells for $319 on Gregory's website + another $80 if you want the previously-included raincover and summit pack/hydration bladder holder. $399 total now.
I got older one last year. I sue with the hip pockets. They where small and the mess one tore the first trip out. REI replaced it. Did they fix that on the new version
The hip pockets are no longer mesh-on-one-side/waterproof-on-the-other. They enlarged them and made them standard style hip pockets sewn down to the hip belt.
Can you review the gregory katmai 65
Cost not being a concern. Which backpack /brand do you feel is the best out there? Comfort,quality,stability?
Where can I buy one of those dog harnesses?
Thanks for the review! I have an atmos 65 and love it except for not being able to access my water bottle without removing my bag.
How do you find the water bottle pocket on this bag?
Fits a nalgene and you don't have to be too limber to reach it on the go
What Brand and model of your trousers in this video do you use?
What harness is your pup wearing?
Do you ever put a pack on kovu?
I’m looking to update my pack. I need something for 5 days plus climbing gear. Can the Baltoro 75 handle it? Anyone have other recommendations? Thanks.
It can, but for the price there are packs with better warranties, better features, and come with a rain cover. If you're sold on the Baltoro75, try to find the pre-2022 model.
Great review but Gregory for whatever reason has decided not to include the rain cover with the 2022 model. First Gregory Baltoro I have purchased that did not include it. Disappointing but I have an old one I can use.
That’s a bummer!
I actually wrote to Gregory to ask them about why they've skrinkflated the raincover right out of most of their pack offerings, while increasing the price of packs across the board. Their reply to me was that not every customer uses their packs in the rain, so its more environmentally friendly to not include them. They actually suggested I use a rain cover from an old pack, lol. They also had no real answer for not including the summit pack anymore either.
So, we get far less pack than before, pay more money for it, and the CEO of Samsonite (who bought Gregory Packs in 2014) gets another mega yacht. Thanks for nothing, Greg!
Great stuff. Does it not come with the extra bag inside ? The one that doubles up as a hydration sleeve?
No longer comes with that summit pack/hydration bladder holder, for sale separately for $40. No raincover either. Sold separately for another $40. I am baffled as to why the reviewer doesn't mention this.
Sometimes heavier people's want a walk too , they need more strap , I tie mine in a little knott , wallah ! Cute puppy, 🐾💖🐕
Are the hip pockets bigger than the previous version?
Yes. You can fit a modern smartphone in them now. Got my hands on this pack at my local REI and it was the first thing I tried.
Gregory Baltoro vs Osprey Atmos
Almost every backpack I’ve ever owned has had the issue of straps that are FAR too long for practical use. Whether it is the waste belt, side straps, or any other random strap found on the pack, they all needed to be severely shortened. I don’t understand who these manufacturers think they are catering to, but it is completely unnecessary. There is nothing worse than having an extra two feet of strap flapping around and getting in the way of you comfortably using your pack. Please manufacturers, ADDRESS THIS!
Cutting of is Easy.
Adding extra length is kinda difficult. As they are mass produced bags for alot of people it's just logical to go with extra length
And then some people complain they are too short, like even Eric here on his Bridger 65 (the bottom ones for pads/tents)...i guess it's always easier to cut them then to make them longer
Honestly the built and looks of the back pannel mesh and the hip belt thats literally the Osprey AG system. The only downside on the Ospreys is the aluminum frame. Its bent up in ways that really shortens the capacity of the backpack but makes it more breatheable
Tuck the waist belt straps under the velcro pockets. Works great.
Thats the old models that had the liftable velcro side pockets. These new hip pockets are sewn down onto the belt like a Katmai, Zulu, Stout, or Paragon. Video didn't really cover the differences.
@@GetUpTheMountains Had no idea they had made that change. Thanks for the clarification.
@@JoelManers No sweat, Joel. I have the old model Baltoro, and I'd quite like having the larger hip pockets. I'd cut the waist strap down to my required length and sew the ends over to finish. 👍
@@GetUpTheMountains Agreed. I have the old Baltoro 75. It’s a fantastic load hauler and tough as nails. I recently bought an REI Flash 55 though. I use that one as a light weight weekend pack. It’s about half the weight of the Baltoro. If I could only have one pack though, I’d probably get the Paragon 55. It’s a nice compromise between the two.
@@JoelManers So I had a deeper look at the Baltoro today, Joel. Get this. For the same $350 price as our old one, it no longer comes with a rain cover, which is now sold separately at $39.95. They also no longer include the summit pack/hydration bladder holder, also sold separately as the "Nano14" at $39.95. That's 2 dropped features on this new model costing an additional $80! Can you imagine having to pay $430 for the same Baltoro75 as the old one? Greg appears to be nickle and dimeing out here. Not impressed.
The hip belt pockets are hook and loop to the belt. You can lift them up after snugging the belt and stash the extra belt under them so they're not dangling down in front of you.
They've redesigned them. They are no longer lift/velcro down, they're sewn down permanently like regular hip belt pockets.
What camera was this shot with?
Fx6
Gregory baltoro (2022 version) or osprey aether plus?
Osprey Atmos you mean? or did you already write off the Atmos in favour of the Aether?
There is an Osprey Aether 60 plus,wich I'm deciding whether to get the Osprey Aether plus or the gregory baltoro
@frustin
@@ch3mo883 i decided on the Atmos because i got it for a £100 cheaper than the Baltoro. The Aether's back mesh didnt look as good as the Atmos but that's what you're paying the extra for.
My Atmos will be here today. Hoping it was the right choice.
I wore both yesterday and went for the gregory.
The main reason was the lack of cushioning on the lower back on the osprey.
After 3 minutes wearing it I already had a Hotspot which would become a sore spot after a day of hiking. The padding there is really really thin.
Is the backpack black or blue in color?
This one is black
Liking for the sweet hike can't wait to go to Arizona and do some hiking in the Sedona area, Grand Canyon, and Saguaro National Park. I don't really like Gregory they are made more for rock climbers and ice climbers. Still set on Osprey. Although I do like that uzip on the brain and the adjustable sternum strap is nice.
Solid review brother! Thanks
The natural lighting was really in your favour on this one eh
I have a pile of BP’s (even a few Gregory packs which I love) but once I moved over to the UL world a few years ago I can’t bring myself to carrying a 4-5 lb pack 😳…… ever again unless I’m hitting the trail on a long trip in the winter. That pack is half of my winter base weight including my pack
I'm in the market for a load hauler and while some recommend ULs, the consensus view seems to be that the comfort gained from a heavier pack is worth the extra couple of pounds. I've read too many reviews about UL minimalist shoulder straps cutting into you. I think it would be better to just lose a couple of pounds body weight and buy the heavier pack with a better, padded harness system.
WHY IT SEEM'S LIKE CHEAPER BACK PACK HAVE WHAT YOU REALLY NEED? FOR ONE S LOT OF THEM HAVE SIDE POCKET'S THAT AREN'T IN SIDE THE BAG TAKING UP SPACE WHEN FULL. ANOTHER ONE IS. WHAT'S UP WITH THIS HALF CIRCLE OPENING ON THE SLEEPING BAG COMPARTMENT? I ALL SO MISS THE TWO ALUMIUM BACK FRAME'S. OTHER THAN THAT THE NEWER BACK'S ARE AWESOME AN THE GET THE JOB DONE. OH I FOR GOT ABOUT THE MOLLE WEBBING ON THE OUT SIDE. IT REALLY HANDY FOR ADDING MORE POUCHES FOR MORE SPACE.
Chill brother
They drpped the raincover on this 2022 model
And the summit pack no longer included either. All while raising the price by $20. Both are available to purchase separately not for $40 each. 😬 $20+$40+$40= $100 extra to get what the old model had. Shrinkflation at its worst.
That's a good boy!
I strongly disagree with you on the Gerber folding knife. It, very frankly, is unsafe. a finger can (and in my case did) get in the gaps, and cut you. Please reconsider this recommendation. As a fellow Eric, that should carry extra clout.
*swats at the camera*.... 👋
Water bottle looks impossible to reach
It is impossible to reach for me. I can touch it, but that's it, can't get it out and definitely can't put it back in. It's a gimmicky feature they never should've sacrificed the normal side pocket to implement. That said, some people can do it no problem, but then some people aren't 50 years old (yet) and don't have a shoulder that was horribly broken in their youth and probably cost them a lot of range of motion. Everybody can benefit from a standard side pocket, though, and that's what they should've put there.
@@GetUpTheMountains I wouldn't say it's completely useless. I hate that pocket, but it is good for storing extra water or even just an empty bottle to use in camp. Plus, if you're mad and just want something to gripe about you can pull it out and fuss about how stupid it is, because it is a stupid feature.
Have day pack in this backpack?
Gregory no longer includes the removable day pack. Now sold separately for $40.
Cool advertisement.
The hip belt so lob because Gregory thinks of the affluent countries where obesity lies! Lol I’m a big man and it feels comfy!
Eh, I'll stick with cottage companies.
I have a week to decide which backpack to get… baltoro or bridger?