Speaking as a lifelong Penguins fan, Crosby owes us literally nothing. If he wants to leave to play for a contender, he absolutely should and no one should hold it against him. That being said, I don't think he's going anywhere. The report is that Dubas laid multiple offers on the table and that Crosby is just taking his time mulling them over.
We had the opportunity to turn the page two off-seasons ago; we gave long-term deals to Geno and Tanger so Sid could continue to play with his buddies. Vinnie Trochek would be a Pen right now were it not for appeasing Sid. Moves were made specifically to accommodate him. This is a reality that needs to be pointed out.
I was at the NHL final at San Jose in 2016 when the Penguins won the trophy. But Crosby still remains my favorite player in the league although I am Sharks supporter.
The question he’ll have to answer for himself is whether he wants to retire as a Penguin or if he wants a shot at another Cup, because unless he wants to defy the aging process significantly and Pittsburgh rebuilds miraculously quickly, he probably can’t have both. This is where a GM has to use his head over his heart sometimes. It all depends on how many years Sid wants on his next contract. If it’s multi-year, they can kick that can down the road. If it’s year by year, management may want to go to him at the deadline and see where he’s at as far as wanting to take a run with another team. Obviously it’s frowned on by the league, but he could conceivably play for another team after February, win a Cup, and resign with Pittsburgh to help with the rebuild. That way everyone wins.
@@jayvardy Crosby, McDavid, Bergeron, McKinnon and others are all fine. They could still have made more money. They valued a better chance at cup(s) than bigger bank accounts.
He left money on the table but stanley cups are worth much more to him, he will always go down as the best hockey player since mario who made it happen for his team 3 times in 8 years while not forgetting the gold medals.
if crosby chooses to be a penguin for life, i can't take away his loyalty to the organization. selfishly i would love to see him go somewhere like COL so he can get another shot at a deep p-off run and maybe a stanley cup. either way am going to enjoy whatever years left he has. crosby has had an incredible career and is still doing well at age 37 in a young man's game.
The bottom line is crosby can play for whoever he wants for pretty much any dollar amount, no matter his age, but he probably knows hes probably got 2 maybe 3 years of "good" hockey left in him and doesn't want to end on a bad note for his own sake, if he doesn't sign this season and the pens don't make the playoffs I gauruntee it will be his last game we see of him. You have to remember hes 37, not married and no kids, he probably wants to live a "normal" life and leave knowing he left it all out there and didn't keep playing just to play, no matter how many points he finishes with he will always be known as one of the best players to ever play the game, everyone has an opinion but he is by far in the top 5 of all time and I don't think that would ever change.
Theoretically he could help the penguins rebuild/retool along by getting traded at the deadline for picks/prospects, then resigning in Pittsburgh in the summer. Sign a 1 year deal, repeat next year if the pens are outside of the playoffs again, etc
There are rumors that his playing contract has already been agreed upon and that they are working on finer details for him to join the organization in some capacity after he is done playing.
I get why this is a topic in the hockey world, but I think it's much ado about nothing. I'm convinced 100% that the _only_ reason Crosby hasn't signed an extension is that (1) he's not even in Pittsburgh for the summer, and wanted to really get away from the game for a bit, and (2) honestly hasn't decided how much longer he wants to play. I forget who the interviewer was. But he was in studio for an interview a while ago on TSN (I think), and Zdeno Chara came up. The interviewer mentioned Crosby's longevity, and asked him if he could see himself playing until his mid 40's like Chara. And Crosby vehemently and immediately quashed the idea, saying "I've played a lot of hockey." I'm sure Crosby could play until his mid 40's if he wanted to, but it looks like he doesn't want to. I think he signs before the season. As a lifelong Pittsburgh resident and Pens fan, I don't think he wants to listen to "are you going to sign soon?" questions all season long. It'd be a distraction for the team and I'm sure he knows that. If he really wanted out, I think he'd already be gone.
If he leaves Pittsburgh, it's the same story as Patrick Kane scoring OT winner against Chicago as Red Wing. Most of fans would still cherish, praise and applaud him in other team jersey for everything he gave for the team before.
Crosby has given so much to the Pens that he could literally burn down the stadium and they would still say "Oh Sid you rascal!" If he goes for a run with Boston or the Rangers or Colorado or even the Panthers, nobody would feel slighted in the least and there won't be a dry eye in Pitt when his banner gets raised to the rafters.
Speak for yourself. Sid is the textbook captain and role model athlete. No better representative of the city of Pittsburgh. But if he left the pens and wore another jersey it would taint his legacy in Pittsburgh.
@evan8495 it would absolutely badly taint his reputation if he went to a team like Boston or NY Rangers as the Original poster staged above. He would be burned at the stake if he signed with Philly not that he would want to cause they're as far away from a Stanley cup as the pens are but you get what I mean lol
I think he signs before the season starts, and I think he will be perfectly fine with playing out his career in Pittsburgh. What I’m not so sure of is what happens if that phone starts ringing around the trade deadline and someone puts an insane offer on the table.
i think that crosby's best chance to help the pens is to tell dubis to trade him as his marketability and skill set are still high. the package back to the pens would be gigantic
Depends. Crosby has a full NMC so he could make the trade market very restrictive if he wanted. But if he were open to going to multiple teams in a sign and trade, yeah the return options would be huge and honestly Dubas should be rebuilding fully if he is trading Crosby. Crosby alone is a huge revenue boost to almost every team in the league so other team ownerships would be pressuring their GMs for that trade.
Just think, Crosby to Colorado, two Cole Harbour Nova Scotia boys playing on the same team and on the power play with Makar. What about a playoff series with MacKinnon and Crosby vs McDavid and Draisaitl. Crosby is still an elite player who would have a tremendous impact on any team, it would be a shame to not see him in the playoffs for however many more years he chooses to play. I have always been a Bruins fan but i was pleased to see Ray Bourque win the cup in Colorado. While I have respect for Crosby's loyalty and unselfishness, the hockey fan in me would like to see him in the final rounds of the playoffs. My apologies to the Pens and if he stays, I hope they go on a run and make us all look like fools for suggesting they were done.
As a Pens fan it would be pretty heartbreaking to see Sid go anywhere else, but I'd support him no matter what. It would be super cool to see him get another shot at the cup.
In my opinion as a Pens fan, Crosby has earned the right to do as he wishes without question. I do not believe he will receive any hostility (ex. Jagr) if he leaves from fans as you mentioned. If his reasoning is to go for another cup, he deserves it. The only potential gripe fans will have is that he played a huge role in making sure Malkin and Letang got their recent extensions, which have somewhat handcuffed the team and delayed hitting that reset button. Hextall may not have made the right moves anyway, but that was the summer to do it, and there were guys to be had like Trocheck that FA.
I'm a big Pens fan but I really think it would be best for both to part ways the Pens aren't winning a cup any time soon, the sooner the rebuild starts the sooner they can contend again, him staying delays the rebuild I also would love to see Crosby help another team win a cup, I think it would greatly enhance his legacy if he helped a Canadian team win, a lot of people mention Colorado but they already won without him I don't think that would enhance his legacy much
If he’s staying in pitt, he would’ve signed already. Penguins fans need to accept that - which I think most have. My guess is that he’ll go to the highest bidder as a rental at the TDL and then sign w/ the Avs in July -- 2x 6.87M
Penguins fan here. I hope he signs and we get the storybook ending of him retiring as a penguin. If he wants to leave, he deserves that right to leave. He’s done more than enough for the team. If he is going to leave, they have to trade him to get a return. I didn’t even consider the idea of him wanting to leave until looking back on his reaction to the Guentzel trade. He deserves to end his career how he chooses. I just hope it’s in Pittsburgh.
I find it interesting contrasting how the Pens & Caps decided to handle their aging rosters. Pens decided to double down on trying to extend their window & traded a lot of their draft picks for what they perceived to be short term upgrades. Conversely, the Caps held on to most of their draft picks to start re-stocking the pipeline. When Crosby & Ovechkin retire, I think the Caps will be somewhat better positioned to become competitive again sooner than the Pens.
Thank you for your video. I've watched many of your videos over the last couple of years and enjoy your passion for hockey. As for one of hockey's 🐐 Crosby playing for another team would be shocking!! But, let's look at something.....he was terribly upset Jake was traded, we know that! In the last 20 games of the season, he was the MVP, and they didn't make the playoffs. In this off-season, Dubas, like he said he would, made moves to rebuild the Pens draft pool. I was thrilled about what he's done ✔️ But those moves did not give Crosby a top winger, correct!? I believe also that Dubas has upgraded our bottom 6, which was so important, and that Karlsson now comfortable in Pens team & a healthy Letang our defense will better. Playoff bound....who knows. So, if Sid doesn't sign before training camp and the chance for a cup with his close friend in Colorado comes up why would he not want that chance! The Pens would, most likely, receive 2 first round picks + a 3rd & 4th or something. He would play another 3 after this year, whi h would be 4 years of an actual chance at a cup. Win/win. Thank and God bless you 🙏
I think it's better for the Penguins to let him go at this point just to accelerate their rebuild and start gunning for say Gavin McKenna in the draft lottery (not to mention the potential draft picks and prospects), but yeah it seems like he's just going to be allowed to play for however long he wants
The buying power of 8.7 mil in 2012 was close to 12 mil now. So even though he left alot of money on the table, he still came out quite well. Id hate for Sid to walk but he doesnt owe it anybody to stay.
As a longtime, diehard Penguins fan, I think Crosby will sign a 3-yr deal with the Pens. Like you said I think it’s more so the term that’s taking him the time to decide on as opposed to the salary. If persay he does want to chase another cup and goes to COL (because that’s the only place I honestly think he would consider going due to his friendship with MacKinnon), I wouldn’t hold a grudge and I’d be a Colorado fan as well until he retires cheering for him to get his last cup. Obviously if I had the choice, I’d rather him sign with the Pens and retire a Penguin, but I understand and support whatever decision he makes.
As a Red Wings fan I can't picture watching Crosby playing for any other team than Pittsburgh. It would just feel right watching him in another Uniform
From comments in interviews, I can’t see Sod doing anything but taking it year by year for the next 2-4 years. Idk if that means one year deals, but I don’t think he’d commit in full to 3 whole years all at once.
What we really need to be talking about is how Cbus needs to sign Phil Kessel for some kind of feel good moment. He can continue his ironman streak and get on the ice every game he's available and us CBJ fans can get some kind of win out of these horrible situation.
Once Crosby leaves, whether that's with retirement, a trade, or in free agency it'll end an era of unparalleled success in that franchises history, if we're not there already. With the moves they've made, it's like they're in a holding pattern, waiting on Sids decision. As long as he's there they'll at least be competitive, but that roster is not the cup contender it was.
As I said before, Sid, Geno, Letang have all earned the right to do what is best for them. Heck it’s probably what’s best for the team at this point. I think the fans learned from Jagr to not take it personal. All of those players (plus Fleury & others) are Penguins for life no matter what they decide.
I could honestly see him signing a series of 1 year deals and if they’re not in it at the deadline going to other teams to be in the playoffs. Accrue a handful of rental assets every year from contenders.
The theme around Pittsburgh and Sid right now seems to be the same with most people. We don't want to see him go by any means, but we'll cheer for him no matter where he goes. He owes nothing to the city and the organization after the successful career he's had over the past 20 years. I can't see him not signing though. He and Malkin and Letang decided they wanted to finish their careers in Pit, and Crosby played a big part in them signing with the Penguins. (But let's be honest, Crosby on this Montreal Canadiens team would be fire!)
I remember about 9 years ago thinking how great he is but how much it sucks that his career will probably be shortened by concussions. how glad I am that I was wrong
Given Crosby’s age,a 2 or 3 year deal should do,but I wouldn’t be surprised is they give him a 4 or 5 years contract.From a fan standpoint,I would like to see him play his whole career with Pittsburgh.
I wouldn’t rule out booing, we booed Jagr, it was dumb, but that was because Jagr asked for a trade and said he was dying alive. Now the dying alive quote was out of context, but he did ask for a trade. The difference with Crosby is, he played a big part with Letang and Malkin resigning, which has not helped the Penguins. If he leaves, Penguins fans may see him as helping make the hole in the ship that turned it into a sinking ship. Personally, it doesn’t bother me whatever he does, but I definitely think my fellow Penguins fans could see it the way I described, again, Jagr left under more understandable terms, the team couldn’t afford him anymore and he got booed, if Crosby were to not sign because he still wants to win and feels he can do so somewhere else, it’s going to hit like Marian Hossa in 2008 in Pittsburgh
Here's my thoughts on this, I don't think Crosby is going to leave the Pittsburgh Penguins for a couple of reasons. 1. He's already won three Stanley cups with the potential to win more if he chooses to get a management position when he retires. 2. He's established himself in Pittsburgh and he's been there so long that he may not want to acclimate himself to a new team coaches, system etc.
Had to stop at "dubas is a good negotiator". Dear me, can ANYONE tell me how that has ever been true? Missing bridge deals on the three young stars and overpaying them comes to mind.
I'm no prognosticator, but I'll give my guess. I think he'll either sign 8.7 mill extension with the Penguins or he'll tell Dubas, this is my last year, I'd like to go out with the Penguins. It would be nice to see Crosby be the likely last of a dying breed, that played his entire career with his team.
@@paulschmitz9175 That will be good too, I just hope Crosby will do the same. I've always liked Crosby over Ovechkin because of Crosby's complete play.
@@paulschmitz9175 I think all forwards regardless of position should backcheck, being good at both ends of the ice is hallmark of a great player regardless of era and position. Wing is different to center, in what you have to do, but you still should be effective at covering your point and being available for a breakout.
Crosby needs to decide one of 2 paths for him and the penguins , either he's a penguin for his entire career and he probably never makes the playoffs again or they rebuild and ship off all the veterans to contenders , if they go rebuild the return on the vets would be immense . I think what crosby wants is not reality . To stay in Pittsburgh and win again , that teams window has closed
I would be surprised to see Crosby leave for another team. He’s been the face of the franchise now for years, and I spent most of my life watching him play for my hometown team. But would I begrudge him for leaving? Absolutely not. I never thought I’d see Kane leave Chicago, but here we are.
The big issue this year is weather or not he gets some scoring support, I dont believe he is going anywhere, and I hope he doesn't but if he did, Colorado my # 2 team (my fellow NS boys playing on the same team) i think Sid signs when he gets back to Pit
Long time pens fan here. He should sign with Avs and go for another cup. And break few career records while doing it. He's deserved it. Pens should be in a rebuild already, Dubas just doesn't see it yet
He will re-sign with the Pens, no doubt in my mind. His superstion and not wanting change aspects aside, he has never wanted to play anywhere else. As many always point out his role models are Steve Yzerman and Mario, both being 1 team guys and I do think that means a lot to him. I think he signs a 3 year deal at $8.7 and if he wants to play beyond that he can just do 1 year deals like Pavelski had been doing. I think there are 2 reasons Crosby stays in Pittsburgh at least the next 4 seasons, the first being the sentimental reason of he wants to play out the rest of Malkin and Letang's careers and Geno's is done after next year and letang has 4 years left including this season. Crosby won't let letang play longer than him just to be sure since they were drafted the same year. The second reason, the one I think is the bigger of the two, is that Crosby is a competitor and there is very little that drives him more than doing what is said cant be done. Yes he could probably win another cup if he went to colorado maybe, though as much as I like the Avs they do have some holes to patch themselves in order to get back there. However, if he did it would not be Crosby leading them to a cup so much as it would be Mackinnon and Makar. No, Crosby would never truly be a supporting cast player but it won't and likely wouldnt be his team in anyone's eyes. No, I think the task that drives Crosby the remainder of his career is if he can be the guy to drag the pens back to a cup but also to be the guy that can usher the franchise into their next "window" as well. Lemieux got to do that between the 25 games he did play Sid's rookie year as well as his involvement from the owner side and letting Sid live with him. Crosby being able to help set up and even sweeter if he can deliver the penguins the next age. That is a challenge worthy of a guy like Crosby who has already been tested and won virtually everything else you could strive to win in hockey. Also, the added bonus of playing in one more olympics with Mackinnon will be a cherry on top.
I think he’s going to see how this year goes and if they’re pretty much out of it by the trade deadline, he’s going to sign with a contender probably Colorado play with his buddy Nathan MacKinnon
I think if crosby left you would hear some penguins fans start to add little asterisks to his accolades. "Yeah sid was great but he didnt stay like mario did." "Sid is the second best penguin. No question, he didnt stay like mario" "So they kept malkin and letang around for side and then sid left us?" (This would be a VERY legitimate statement to make because the pens could have traded malkin or letang and loaded the cupboards) I'm not saying they would boo him and he would still be a team legend (as long as he doesnt pull heel and go to a place like philly, NYR or the caps). But there would definitely be things said.
Pens fan here,sign Sid for what he wants at a contract that will be movable (negotiations making it manageable)to move him where he wants,getting 2 low 1st rounders and a 2nd or high prospects? Need a rebuild!
If they didn't want to trade Crosby a few years ago (if they even could), I could understand that, but they have been putting off this much needed rebuild forever now. Malkin and Letang should have been let go of years ago, it's obvious the roster construction over the past 4-5 years has been suboptimal
Personally don't know why the organization is keeping Sullivan and not trying a new approach w a new style especially w the yr he had at 36 yrs old. Sullivan is probably starting this yr on a short leash, it will be interesting what happens in Pittsburgh. The question is, is Crosby mentally married to Pittsburgh and staying there no matter what or will something unfold where he will end his last few yrs w a team set to win. Mtl is gathering some nice chips, will he end his career there, making them an instant contender 🤔🤔 The Colorado speculation w Mckinnon is interesting and realistic, but I question if McK is staying in Colorado and thinking about a new chapter. Time will tell and is getting very interesting As far as what Crosby decides is tuff. He cant really make a wrong decision anymore because he has the power to do what he wants if he signs or not. I predict there is going to be a coaching situation that will get adressed during the season that will make Crosby decide to stay or go.
♥Mark my words he signs with Tampa, not the Avs & MacKinnon, to be #2 behind Guentzel because Guentzel is about to have a massive breakout season playing in a system with Kucherov & Point. (this speculation proudly brought to you by SeenStamkos? influenced inaugural fan)
Signs 34.8 Mil 4 years plays for 3 @ 8.7 M AAV, he's signing in Pit I also believe he doesn't want to cripple the Pens towards adding some impact players, who might they be?.... I dont know (just my opinion)
Also to mention, Pittsburghs last regular season game is against Washington, it could mean he already told them hes hanging up the skates and wants his last game against Ovi, its very far fetched but the NHL would do anything upon sid the kids request.
Even though I'm a die hard Penguins fan you trade him. You can easily get 2-1st round picks, a top current player and a top prospect. 10 teams will give you that right now and some teams maybe more
@@iliaponomarev1624 no offer is coming down. 30 minutes after the trade your ticket office sells every ticket to all 41 home games for the upcoming season. This isn’t a Top Player being traded this is a once in a lifetime…top 5 player that’s ever put on the skates player. You will get what you ask for!
@@iliaponomarev1624, On top of that, there are cap issues too... too many teams that would like to trade for him have no cap space to pay for him.
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Crosby has a full no movement clase, Pens fan. Which of those ten teams you're thinking of will be ones where he wants to end his career for another shot of the cup rather than staying as a career Penguin?
Pens fan here. I think Syd will remain a Penguin; regardless of how the team is doing. He’s a player that is loyal and has faith in the emblem on the front of his jersey and not the name on the back.
If Crosby goes to another team it'll be the Rangers. I've been imagining Crosby in a Ranger uniform for a couple of years now. The Rangers have a legitimate cup contender, so Sid has a chance to win again with them, and the Rangers like to collect famous players at the end of their career, a tradition going back to Howie Morenz.
Something that will never go public is holding this up. Crosby got involved to push Malkin's extension over the finish line and was more than likely involved in Letang's too. Why work so hard to keep the band together but when it comes time to get his he walks?
What's changed is that at the time of the Malkin and Letang extensions, the mandate from ownership was to keep the Penguins playoff contenders, so it made sense to try to keep the core intact. The Penguins have bailed on the playoff contention bit since then so it makes sense for Crosby to have a rethink?
Can you just take a moment and give the thought of nate and sid playing together maybe the same line. They train together from same area. I see it as a Gretzky or Mario season
I think Sid can play until he's 41-42, he's that exceptional, especially since his health issues seem to be behind him (yes, you can heal from concussions so long as they are not so severe they drastically reduce your quality of life/play, and unlike says Lindros, that didn't happen to Crosby, yes, he lost maybe 200 points+ in games not played because of David Steckel/Victor Hedman (Sid should have sat down a little longer before coming back when Hedman almost ended his career, he would have missed much less games in total because big Vic would have been nowhere near Sid as he took time to recuperate) even if unlike Steckel, it was a "clean" hit, it was Cross Checking but that never gets called anymore, even back in 2011 when the refs were much less permissive than now, except for the kind of hit Steckel landed on Sid, blindsided hits like that that can ruin the career of a superstar when a guy who's at best a third liner like Steckel pulls one like that, it sucks that incident made blindside hits pretty much a thing of the past except with idiots like Ryan Reeves or Nick Cousins....
As a Pens fan, I would definitely not be mad at him of he decided to leave, but it would Sting for sure. I hope and think he will sign here (likely for 3 years), but it would be his right to decide to walk away, however I would have a much harder time watching the team if he is not there and playing for another team.
Gotta be one of the best 12+ years sports deals ever.
The 10 year inevitable rebuild patiently awaits the Pens
They will probably get another first overall pick that will save the franchise, it's happened twice before
@@kosmicwizard thanks..you beat me to it..The *fix* has been in, twice before...
@@kosmicwizard Yup, Blackhawks already got theirs, it's an inevitability.
And just look who is at the helm of that rebuild, ....has Kyle Dubas learned from his mistakes?
@@timsmith428 why would the nhl fix it to Pittsburgh? It’s not even a great city, like 300k population
82 games last year? It really is remarkable. Wow
Speaking as a lifelong Penguins fan, Crosby owes us literally nothing. If he wants to leave to play for a contender, he absolutely should and no one should hold it against him. That being said, I don't think he's going anywhere. The report is that Dubas laid multiple offers on the table and that Crosby is just taking his time mulling them over.
Cringe
We had the opportunity to turn the page two off-seasons ago; we gave long-term deals to Geno and Tanger so Sid could continue to play with his buddies. Vinnie Trochek would be a Pen right now were it not for appeasing Sid.
Moves were made specifically to accommodate him. This is a reality that needs to be pointed out.
@@gablefisk-govphost817agreed. As much as I love Sid, he has some part in this. We could have some bigger pieces had we moved some core players.
Really good Crosby analysis. Love this channel.
I was at the NHL final at San Jose in 2016 when the Penguins won the trophy. But Crosby still remains my favorite player in the league although I am Sharks supporter.
I saw a meme this past week that said “I’m so desperate for hockey that I went to the aquarium to boo the penguins.”🐧 😂
Sharks fan here, I should try that sometime
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You have to go to the aquarium in Sydney. Lol
I feel like it's not possible that Crosby will ever play for anyone but the Pens. It's been a pleasure watching him play for the past 2 decades
Thanks smooth brain
I thought the same thing about Patrick Kane
Anything is possible.
>> S Stamkos? now on Smashville...
keep crushing it Shannon
The question he’ll have to answer for himself is whether he wants to retire as a Penguin or if he wants a shot at another Cup, because unless he wants to defy the aging process significantly and Pittsburgh rebuilds miraculously quickly, he probably can’t have both. This is where a GM has to use his head over his heart sometimes. It all depends on how many years Sid wants on his next contract. If it’s multi-year, they can kick that can down the road. If it’s year by year, management may want to go to him at the deadline and see where he’s at as far as wanting to take a run with another team. Obviously it’s frowned on by the league, but he could conceivably play for another team after February, win a Cup, and resign with Pittsburgh to help with the rebuild. That way everyone wins.
Just like what Ray Bourque did
I FEEL HE GONNA DO WHAT TOM BRADY DID
@CanMav except ray bourque retired after winning the stanley cup with COL.
he did not return to BOS afterwards as a player.
@@CanMav No. Ray retired after the trade.
Thanks!
Crosby left so much money on the table by signing that 12 yr deal.
He made a s*** ton in endorsements over the years. He's fine.
@@jayvardy Crosby, McDavid, Bergeron, McKinnon and others are all fine. They could still have made more money. They valued a better chance at cup(s) than bigger bank accounts.
You can live mighty nice on that kind of money, he isn't hurting at all. Plus endorsements.
He left money on the table but stanley cups are worth much more to him, he will always go down as the best hockey player since mario who made it happen for his team 3 times in 8 years while not forgetting the gold medals.
I'm sure he's crying himself to sleep at night while wearing his 2nd and 3rd ring, wondering how he's gonna feed himself with that paltry $100mil.
It's just so hard to imagine Crosby ever leaving Pittsburgh.
I dont see him leaving, hoping im wrong though.
If Gretzky and Yagr can get traded, it wasn`t their choice. A franchise can change direction quickly. Look at Edmonton offer sheet change.
@@dwh58 love Jagr and he was great but.Gretzky and Crosby are another breed. Same with Mario
Do it, Sidney.
THG you nailed it. 4 years at 8.7 with Pittsburgh
It's a two year extension.
I cant wait until he's in an Avalanche sweater
if crosby chooses to be a penguin for life, i can't take away his loyalty to the organization.
selfishly i would love to see him go somewhere like COL so he can get another shot at a deep p-off run and maybe a stanley cup.
either way am going to enjoy whatever years left he has. crosby has had an incredible career and is still doing well at age 37 in a young man's game.
He somehow still looks like a boy, good genes I guess.
I'm an Oiler fan, but even I would like to see Sid play with McKinnon.
Didn't Colorado lose to Dallas?
Kunitz was fantastic early on
If he leaves or asks for a lot, I will never boo Sid the Kid...
The bottom line is crosby can play for whoever he wants for pretty much any dollar amount, no matter his age, but he probably knows hes probably got 2 maybe 3 years of "good" hockey left in him and doesn't want to end on a bad note for his own sake, if he doesn't sign this season and the pens don't make the playoffs I gauruntee it will be his last game we see of him. You have to remember hes 37, not married and no kids, he probably wants to live a "normal" life and leave knowing he left it all out there and didn't keep playing just to play, no matter how many points he finishes with he will always be known as one of the best players to ever play the game, everyone has an opinion but he is by far in the top 5 of all time and I don't think that would ever change.
No way he doesn't try for the all time penguins points title. Only 128 points from passing lemeiux
He is not top 5 all time
@@simoncohen9323 yes he is
@@ssfalk41 maybe he wants lemeiux to hold the title.
@@Mitch-m7z top 10 sure not top 5 I can easily name 5 players all time better then Crosby and atleast 1 more that will be when his career is over
The fact that Crosby played EVERY GAME last year speaks to his effort, integrity, and desire to win.
Theoretically he could help the penguins rebuild/retool along by getting traded at the deadline for picks/prospects, then resigning in Pittsburgh in the summer. Sign a 1 year deal, repeat next year if the pens are outside of the playoffs again, etc
That would be amazing if he did that LOL.
There are rumors that his playing contract has already been agreed upon and that they are working on finer details for him to join the organization in some capacity after he is done playing.
I get why this is a topic in the hockey world, but I think it's much ado about nothing. I'm convinced 100% that the _only_ reason Crosby hasn't signed an extension is that (1) he's not even in Pittsburgh for the summer, and wanted to really get away from the game for a bit, and (2) honestly hasn't decided how much longer he wants to play.
I forget who the interviewer was. But he was in studio for an interview a while ago on TSN (I think), and Zdeno Chara came up. The interviewer mentioned Crosby's longevity, and asked him if he could see himself playing until his mid 40's like Chara. And Crosby vehemently and immediately quashed the idea, saying "I've played a lot of hockey." I'm sure Crosby could play until his mid 40's if he wanted to, but it looks like he doesn't want to.
I think he signs before the season. As a lifelong Pittsburgh resident and Pens fan, I don't think he wants to listen to "are you going to sign soon?" questions all season long. It'd be a distraction for the team and I'm sure he knows that. If he really wanted out, I think he'd already be gone.
If he leaves Pittsburgh, it's the same story as Patrick Kane scoring OT winner against Chicago as Red Wing. Most of fans would still cherish, praise and applaud him in other team jersey for everything he gave for the team before.
2010 Olympics. Golden goal.
Sid Forever!
Crosby has given so much to the Pens that he could literally burn down the stadium and they would still say "Oh Sid you rascal!" If he goes for a run with Boston or the Rangers or Colorado or even the Panthers, nobody would feel slighted in the least and there won't be a dry eye in Pitt when his banner gets raised to the rafters.
Speak for yourself. Sid is the textbook captain and role model athlete. No better representative of the city of Pittsburgh. But if he left the pens and wore another jersey it would taint his legacy in Pittsburgh.
@evan8495 it would absolutely badly taint his reputation if he went to a team like Boston or NY Rangers as the Original poster staged above. He would be burned at the stake if he signed with Philly not that he would want to cause they're as far away from a Stanley cup as the pens are but you get what I mean lol
His legacy is alreay solidified. Nothing will “taint” it. Just like nobody cared what Lafleur did, post-Habs. His legacy as a Canadien is solid gold.
Tbf he'd probably go to prison if he burned the stadium down.
I think he signs before the season starts, and I think he will be perfectly fine with playing out his career in Pittsburgh. What I’m not so sure of is what happens if that phone starts ringing around the trade deadline and someone puts an insane offer on the table.
Crosby has a full NMC and ownership makes millions from Crosby. Unless both Crosby and FSG are open to a trade, it doesn't matter what offer is made.
i think that crosby's best chance to help the pens is to tell dubis to trade him as his marketability and skill set are still high. the package back to the pens would be gigantic
breaks my heart to agree with you, but wouldn't that be something else. Thanks, I hate it.....
Depends. Crosby has a full NMC so he could make the trade market very restrictive if he wanted. But if he were open to going to multiple teams in a sign and trade, yeah the return options would be huge and honestly Dubas should be rebuilding fully if he is trading Crosby. Crosby alone is a huge revenue boost to almost every team in the league so other team ownerships would be pressuring their GMs for that trade.
The part of my brain that loves chaos wants him to sign with the caps
Imagine if he went to Anaheim
@@seanpoulton2446 what are you imagining...?
@@streetsharkz the irony that Anaheim almost had the number one pick in 2005
Imagine the first time the Caps came to PPG Paints Arena with #87 in the line up. :D
I was a casual hockey fan until Sid joined the league. Then I became a diehard. I can't imagine hockey without him
Ya...it will be weird when Sid, Ovi, and some of these guys aren't around anymore. Its weird to think of the game without them...
Just think, Crosby to Colorado, two Cole Harbour Nova Scotia boys playing on the same team and on the power play with Makar. What about a playoff series with MacKinnon and Crosby vs McDavid and Draisaitl. Crosby is still an elite player who would have a tremendous impact on any team, it would be a shame to not see him in the playoffs for however many more years he chooses to play. I have always been a Bruins fan but i was pleased to see Ray Bourque win the cup in Colorado. While I have respect for Crosby's loyalty and unselfishness, the hockey fan in me would like to see him in the final rounds of the playoffs. My apologies to the Pens and if he stays, I hope they go on a run and make us all look like fools for suggesting they were done.
As a Pens fan it would be pretty heartbreaking to see Sid go anywhere else, but I'd support him no matter what. It would be super cool to see him get another shot at the cup.
In my opinion as a Pens fan, Crosby has earned the right to do as he wishes without question. I do not believe he will receive any hostility (ex. Jagr) if he leaves from fans as you mentioned. If his reasoning is to go for another cup, he deserves it.
The only potential gripe fans will have is that he played a huge role in making sure Malkin and Letang got their recent extensions, which have somewhat handcuffed the team and delayed hitting that reset button. Hextall may not have made the right moves anyway, but that was the summer to do it, and there were guys to be had like Trocheck that FA.
I'm a big Pens fan but I really think it would be best for both to part ways
the Pens aren't winning a cup any time soon, the sooner the rebuild starts the sooner they can contend again, him staying delays the rebuild
I also would love to see Crosby help another team win a cup, I think it would greatly enhance his legacy if he helped a Canadian team win, a lot of people mention Colorado but they already won without him I don't think that would enhance his legacy much
If he’s staying in pitt, he would’ve signed already. Penguins fans need to accept that - which I think most have. My guess is that he’ll go to the highest bidder as a rental at the TDL and then sign w/ the Avs in July -- 2x 6.87M
So all of the players on expiring contracts should be traded? This will be a wild season!
Penguins fan here. I hope he signs and we get the storybook ending of him retiring as a penguin. If he wants to leave, he deserves that right to leave. He’s done more than enough for the team. If he is going to leave, they have to trade him to get a return. I didn’t even consider the idea of him wanting to leave until looking back on his reaction to the Guentzel trade. He deserves to end his career how he chooses. I just hope it’s in Pittsburgh.
I find it interesting contrasting how the Pens & Caps decided to handle their aging rosters.
Pens decided to double down on trying to extend their window & traded a lot of their draft picks for what they perceived to be short term upgrades.
Conversely, the Caps held on to most of their draft picks to start re-stocking the pipeline.
When Crosby & Ovechkin retire, I think the Caps will be somewhat better positioned to become competitive again sooner than the Pens.
Thank you for your video. I've watched many of your videos over the last couple of years and enjoy your passion for hockey.
As for one of hockey's 🐐 Crosby playing for another team would be shocking!! But, let's look at something.....he was terribly upset Jake was traded, we know that! In the last 20 games of the season, he was the MVP, and they didn't make the playoffs. In this off-season, Dubas, like he said he would, made moves to rebuild the Pens draft pool. I was thrilled about what he's done ✔️ But those moves did not give Crosby a top winger, correct!? I believe also that Dubas has upgraded our bottom 6, which was so important, and that Karlsson now comfortable in Pens team & a healthy Letang our defense will better. Playoff bound....who knows. So, if Sid doesn't sign before training camp and the chance for a cup with his close friend in Colorado comes up why would he not want that chance! The Pens would, most likely, receive 2 first round picks + a 3rd & 4th or something. He would play another 3 after this year, whi h would be 4 years of an actual chance at a cup. Win/win. Thank and God bless you 🙏
I think it's better for the Penguins to let him go at this point just to accelerate their rebuild and start gunning for say Gavin McKenna in the draft lottery (not to mention the potential draft picks and prospects), but yeah it seems like he's just going to be allowed to play for however long he wants
The buying power of 8.7 mil in 2012 was close to 12 mil now. So even though he left alot of money on the table, he still came out quite well.
Id hate for Sid to walk but he doesnt owe it anybody to stay.
As a longtime, diehard Penguins fan, I think Crosby will sign a 3-yr deal with the Pens. Like you said I think it’s more so the term that’s taking him the time to decide on as opposed to the salary.
If persay he does want to chase another cup and goes to COL (because that’s the only place I honestly think he would consider going due to his friendship with MacKinnon), I wouldn’t hold a grudge and I’d be a Colorado fan as well until he retires cheering for him to get his last cup.
Obviously if I had the choice, I’d rather him sign with the Pens and retire a Penguin, but I understand and support whatever decision he makes.
Great video
Fans deserve to see Sid on a contender. Please trade him
As a Red Wings fan I can't picture watching Crosby playing for any other team than Pittsburgh. It would just feel right watching him in another Uniform
From comments in interviews, I can’t see Sod doing anything but taking it year by year for the next 2-4 years. Idk if that means one year deals, but I don’t think he’d commit in full to 3 whole years all at once.
What we really need to be talking about is how Cbus needs to sign Phil Kessel for some kind of feel good moment.
He can continue his ironman streak and get on the ice every game he's available and us CBJ fans can get some kind of win out of these horrible situation.
It's time to pay Phil
Isn't his streak over
@@notowie7024 no his stream is still alive, believe it’s at 1064 now
@@notowie7024 no
@@paulbaker9086 he missed all of last season theres no way it's still alive
Come to Colorado Sid.
It’s gotta be like Kopi’s extension right? 3 years for around 7 mil
Once Crosby leaves, whether that's with retirement, a trade, or in free agency it'll end an era of unparalleled success in that franchises history, if we're not there already. With the moves they've made, it's like they're in a holding pattern, waiting on Sids decision. As long as he's there they'll at least be competitive, but that roster is not the cup contender it was.
As I said before, Sid, Geno, Letang have all earned the right to do what is best for them. Heck it’s probably what’s best for the team at this point. I think the fans learned from Jagr to not take it personal. All of those players (plus Fleury & others) are Penguins for life no matter what they decide.
I could honestly see him signing a series of 1 year deals and if they’re not in it at the deadline going to other teams to be in the playoffs. Accrue a handful of rental assets every year from contenders.
Really love that it’s just known that if he’s going to another team, it’ll be the Avs.
Him leaving the pens and grabbing another cup somewhere would be good for his legacy
The theme around Pittsburgh and Sid right now seems to be the same with most people.
We don't want to see him go by any means, but we'll cheer for him no matter where he goes. He owes nothing to the city and the organization after the successful career he's had over the past 20 years.
I can't see him not signing though. He and Malkin and Letang decided they wanted to finish their careers in Pit, and Crosby played a big part in them signing with the Penguins.
(But let's be honest, Crosby on this Montreal Canadiens team would be fire!)
I remember about 9 years ago thinking how great he is but how much it sucks that his career will probably be shortened by concussions. how glad I am that I was wrong
Given Crosby’s age,a 2 or 3 year deal should do,but I wouldn’t be surprised is they give him a 4 or 5 years contract.From a fan standpoint,I would like to see him play his whole career with Pittsburgh.
I wouldn’t rule out booing, we booed Jagr, it was dumb, but that was because Jagr asked for a trade and said he was dying alive. Now the dying alive quote was out of context, but he did ask for a trade. The difference with Crosby is, he played a big part with Letang and Malkin resigning, which has not helped the Penguins. If he leaves, Penguins fans may see him as helping make the hole in the ship that turned it into a sinking ship.
Personally, it doesn’t bother me whatever he does, but I definitely think my fellow Penguins fans could see it the way I described, again, Jagr left under more understandable terms, the team couldn’t afford him anymore and he got booed, if Crosby were to not sign because he still wants to win and feels he can do so somewhere else, it’s going to hit like Marian Hossa in 2008 in Pittsburgh
I would love to see him do 2 years in Colorado, then 2 years in Montreal when they are competitive by then
Come to Toronto Sid and cement yourself as top 5
Here's my thoughts on this, I don't think Crosby is going to leave the Pittsburgh Penguins for a couple of reasons.
1. He's already won three Stanley cups with the potential to win more if he chooses to get a management position when he retires.
2. He's established himself in Pittsburgh and he's been there so long that he may not want to acclimate himself to a new team coaches, system etc.
Had to stop at "dubas is a good negotiator". Dear me, can ANYONE tell me how that has ever been true? Missing bridge deals on the three young stars and overpaying them comes to mind.
I feel like Sid could remain a good top 6 forward till he's almost 45.. is that crazy? Maybe center til 40, on the wing after
I'm no prognosticator, but I'll give my guess. I think he'll either sign 8.7 mill extension with the Penguins or he'll tell Dubas, this is my last year, I'd like to go out with the Penguins. It would be nice to see Crosby be the likely last of a dying breed, that played his entire career with his team.
Ovechkin will retire having played his entire career for the Caps.
@@paulschmitz9175 That will be good too, I just hope Crosby will do the same. I've always liked Crosby over Ovechkin because of Crosby's complete play.
@@20thCenturyManTrad You can't compare the two of them. One is a center & one is a winger...apples & oranges.
@@paulschmitz9175 I think all forwards regardless of position should backcheck, being good at both ends of the ice is hallmark of a great player regardless of era and position. Wing is different to center, in what you have to do, but you still should be effective at covering your point and being available for a breakout.
Crosby needs to decide one of 2 paths for him and the penguins , either he's a penguin for his entire career and he probably never makes the playoffs again or they rebuild and ship off all the veterans to contenders , if they go rebuild the return on the vets would be immense . I think what crosby wants is not reality . To stay in Pittsburgh and win again , that teams window has closed
I would be surprised to see Crosby leave for another team. He’s been the face of the franchise now for years, and I spent most of my life watching him play for my hometown team. But would I begrudge him for leaving? Absolutely not. I never thought I’d see Kane leave Chicago, but here we are.
The big issue this year is weather or not he gets some scoring support, I dont believe he is going anywhere, and I hope he doesn't but if he did, Colorado my # 2 team (my fellow NS boys playing on the same team) i think Sid signs when he gets back to Pit
Love the jersey
Long time pens fan here. He should sign with Avs and go for another cup. And break few career records while doing it. He's deserved it. Pens should be in a rebuild already, Dubas just doesn't see it yet
Could he be pondering to retire after the season even?
He will re-sign with the Pens, no doubt in my mind. His superstion and not wanting change aspects aside, he has never wanted to play anywhere else. As many always point out his role models are Steve Yzerman and Mario, both being 1 team guys and I do think that means a lot to him. I think he signs a 3 year deal at $8.7 and if he wants to play beyond that he can just do 1 year deals like Pavelski had been doing. I think there are 2 reasons Crosby stays in Pittsburgh at least the next 4 seasons, the first being the sentimental reason of he wants to play out the rest of Malkin and Letang's careers and Geno's is done after next year and letang has 4 years left including this season. Crosby won't let letang play longer than him just to be sure since they were drafted the same year. The second reason, the one I think is the bigger of the two, is that Crosby is a competitor and there is very little that drives him more than doing what is said cant be done. Yes he could probably win another cup if he went to colorado maybe, though as much as I like the Avs they do have some holes to patch themselves in order to get back there. However, if he did it would not be Crosby leading them to a cup so much as it would be Mackinnon and Makar. No, Crosby would never truly be a supporting cast player but it won't and likely wouldnt be his team in anyone's eyes. No, I think the task that drives Crosby the remainder of his career is if he can be the guy to drag the pens back to a cup but also to be the guy that can usher the franchise into their next "window" as well. Lemieux got to do that between the 25 games he did play Sid's rookie year as well as his involvement from the owner side and letting Sid live with him. Crosby being able to help set up and even sweeter if he can deliver the penguins the next age. That is a challenge worthy of a guy like Crosby who has already been tested and won virtually everything else you could strive to win in hockey. Also, the added bonus of playing in one more olympics with Mackinnon will be a cherry on top.
I would not be surprised if he closes out his career hopping around the contenders, Corey Perry style.
He signs 3 year 8.7 million dollar deal with Montreal right when Demidov comes in
I think it would be great for Montreal, but I think he's getting a 4*10. The jersey sales would justify it for Montreal though.
Lmao as a Habs fan in Pittsburgh that would be legendary but so unlikely.
he is not going to Montreal, if he goes anywhere its to Colorado, its either Colorado or nothing.
I concur on the 3 year extension and probably for similar money as now. He retires as a Penguin I'll say 87%.
Missed opportunity to say 87%…
@@JD200_ ARGHH! Dammit! Fixed.
@@hughjass1044 appreciate it bro 💛🖤
Sid knows it's over. Cash out or retire.
Very good. That's my guess.
I think he’s going to see how this year goes and if they’re pretty much out of it by the trade deadline, he’s going to sign with a contender probably Colorado play with his buddy Nathan MacKinnon
I think if crosby left you would hear some penguins fans start to add little asterisks to his accolades.
"Yeah sid was great but he didnt stay like mario did."
"Sid is the second best penguin. No question, he didnt stay like mario"
"So they kept malkin and letang around for side and then sid left us?" (This would be a VERY legitimate statement to make because the pens could have traded malkin or letang and loaded the cupboards)
I'm not saying they would boo him and he would still be a team legend (as long as he doesnt pull heel and go to a place like philly, NYR or the caps). But there would definitely be things said.
Pens fan here,sign Sid for what he wants at a contract that will be movable (negotiations making it manageable)to move him where he wants,getting 2 low 1st rounders and a 2nd or high prospects? Need a rebuild!
If they didn't want to trade Crosby a few years ago (if they even could), I could understand that, but they have been putting off this much needed rebuild forever now. Malkin and Letang should have been let go of years ago, it's obvious the roster construction over the past 4-5 years has been suboptimal
If Crosby goes to Colorado, does Bettman bring the stanley cup to the contract signing or do they have to wait until the end of playoffs to get it?
Now we have to do Crosby challenger Ovechkin can last.
I would be thrilled if sid played for Avalanche
What about Mittlestat, Guluyev, Miles Wood and a 1rst for Crosby? Sid is training in Vail w/ Nate, so maybe he can just stay 😆
Personally don't know why the organization is keeping Sullivan and not trying a new approach w a new style especially w the yr he had at 36 yrs old. Sullivan is probably starting this yr on a short leash, it will be interesting what happens in Pittsburgh. The question is, is Crosby mentally married to Pittsburgh and staying there no matter what or will something unfold where he will end his last few yrs w a team set to win. Mtl is gathering some nice chips, will he end his career there, making them an instant contender 🤔🤔
The Colorado speculation w Mckinnon is interesting and realistic, but I question if McK is staying in Colorado and thinking about a new chapter. Time will tell and is getting very interesting
As far as what Crosby decides is tuff. He cant really make a wrong decision anymore because he has the power to do what he wants if he signs or not. I predict there is going to be a coaching situation that will get adressed during the season that will make Crosby decide to stay or go.
♥Mark my words he signs with Tampa, not the Avs & MacKinnon, to be #2 behind Guentzel because Guentzel is about to have a massive breakout season playing in a system with Kucherov & Point. (this speculation proudly brought to you by SeenStamkos? influenced inaugural fan)
Signs 34.8 Mil 4 years plays for 3 @ 8.7 M AAV, he's signing in Pit I also believe he doesn't want to cripple the Pens towards adding some impact players, who might they be?.... I dont know (just my opinion)
Also to mention, Pittsburghs last regular season game is against Washington, it could mean he already told them hes hanging up the skates and wants his last game against Ovi, its very far fetched but the NHL would do anything upon sid the kids request.
And his first game is against Detroit playing Patty Kane. Might be a weird coincidence but to me it seems like something is going on there.
And second last game he is playing the Bruins... Marchand.
Even though I'm a die hard Penguins fan you trade him. You can easily get 2-1st round picks, a top current player and a top prospect. 10 teams will give you that right now and some teams maybe more
The problem is you only trade Crosby where he wants to be traded to. Which kinda narrows down the options and brings down the offer.
@@iliaponomarev1624 no offer is coming down. 30 minutes after the trade your ticket office sells every ticket to all 41 home games for the upcoming season. This isn’t a Top Player being traded this is a once in a lifetime…top 5 player that’s ever put on the skates player. You will get what you ask for!
@@iliaponomarev1624,
On top of that, there are cap issues too... too many teams that would like to trade for him have no cap space to pay for him.
Crosby has a full no movement clase, Pens fan. Which of those ten teams you're thinking of will be ones where he wants to end his career for another shot of the cup rather than staying as a career Penguin?
Pens fan here. I think Syd will remain a Penguin; regardless of how the team is doing. He’s a player that is loyal and has faith in the emblem on the front of his jersey and not the name on the back.
5 years 8.7 million 😂
Him and McDavid
It'll be weird to see Crosby in a different jersey. I'm not a fan of his, or the Penguins - but I hope he remains there and has a great season.
If Crosby goes to another team it'll be the Rangers. I've been imagining Crosby in a Ranger uniform for a couple of years now. The Rangers have a legitimate cup contender, so Sid has a chance to win again with them, and the Rangers like to collect famous players at the end of their career, a tradition going back to Howie Morenz.
I’m fairly confident he won’t go to anyone in the met. And more than likely not in the east
What kind of bedsheets did Crosby have growing up?
Is there any generational prospects out there in the coming drafts for pens to tank for so Crosby can retire the year before?
Something that will never go public is holding this up. Crosby got involved to push Malkin's extension over the finish line and was more than likely involved in Letang's too. Why work so hard to keep the band together but when it comes time to get his he walks?
What's changed is that at the time of the Malkin and Letang extensions, the mandate from ownership was to keep the Penguins playoff contenders, so it made sense to try to keep the core intact. The Penguins have bailed on the playoff contention bit since then so it makes sense for Crosby to have a rethink?
Can you just take a moment and give the thought of nate and sid playing together maybe the same line.
They train together from same area.
I see it as a Gretzky or Mario season
I think Sid can play until he's 41-42, he's that exceptional, especially since his health issues seem to be behind him (yes, you can heal from concussions so long as they are not so severe they drastically reduce your quality of life/play, and unlike says Lindros, that didn't happen to Crosby, yes, he lost maybe 200 points+ in games not played because of David Steckel/Victor Hedman (Sid should have sat down a little longer before coming back when Hedman almost ended his career, he would have missed much less games in total because big Vic would have been nowhere near Sid as he took time to recuperate) even if unlike Steckel, it was a "clean" hit, it was Cross Checking but that never gets called anymore, even back in 2011 when the refs were much less permissive than now, except for the kind of hit Steckel landed on Sid, blindsided hits like that that can ruin the career of a superstar when a guy who's at best a third liner like Steckel pulls one like that, it sucks that incident made blindside hits pretty much a thing of the past except with idiots like Ryan Reeves or Nick Cousins....
As a Pens fan, I would definitely not be mad at him of he decided to leave, but it would Sting for sure. I hope and think he will sign here (likely for 3 years), but it would be his right to decide to walk away, however I would have a much harder time watching the team if he is not there and playing for another team.
Regardless of the playoffs I think Sid will see out his career as a 🐧🐧🐧 looking to mentor some of the younger players