"Simple", measure tool diameter offset when the tool is cooled, or if the need for precision is extreme, a tool offset chart vs. temperature, and use IR based dynamic tool temperature offset...
I would think the tool would stay at a constant temperature during cutting operation. I don’t think your going to get much thermal shrinking on carbide or ceramic inserts. Tool holder might shrink a bit but you can run test to figure that out.
@@flyfaen1 yeah measuring the tool at its coolest state would probably work and for bearing fits and such you could have a offset screen that measures tool temperature and runs it through a graph [dia. vs temp] and account for change
Try having to clean a 18" turret lathe reservoir sitting over year with water soluble animal fat based coolant. Oh the joy of being 15 years old and working at dad's shop......lol......we were making F14 Tomcat fuel fittings.
I was talking with the repairmen working on the CNC bandsaw at my work. They told me cutting fluid, at least the stuff that's dark green and mixed with water to make a green milk looking solution is made of an animal byproduct.
I would have to agree on that. Freezing something all ready super hard and make it super cold would make it more brittle. Trail and error on your speeds and feeds to find the right setting would be fun😁
@@Chocoboranger i guess they mean the white fluid that is specifically named “coolant” on the bottle, not just stuff you can make colder with. machinist coolant does more than cool stuff - it also lubricates
i think they mean coolant like the ones in fridges that hare high polluting factors, instead of complex liquids they just use liquid nitrogen wich is easy to get and is basically neutral to anything in the workplace
"No toxic coolant fumes or mist" - Yes, that is indeed an improvement, and I welcome that wholeheartedly. However, I can see another work-hazard emerging - Tool change, and some idiot gripping the toolholder/tool with his bare hand and get 2nd/3rd degree frostbite.
Lubrication qualities of "coolant" should not be underestimated here. It helps with chip evacuation. Running dry you don't get those benefits even if you do get lower temperatures. Also, the whole machine has to be built for the cryogenic coolant since the temperature is so low and affects more than just the cutting edge, like bearings and other parts that refrigerant runs through to get to the cutting edges... so might not be cheap.
I wonder how much the tool and material changes shape when under this kind of temperature change Because when high load cutting the heat generated from friction will not be consistent and it’s seems like really big temperature change when spraying nitrogen
@Ryan Claus can you stop replying with this retarded explanation? Cryo treatment doesn't magically make things not shrink or grow from thermal changes.
to all scientist from the comment section worrying about thermal expansion from the cold air, its not so much different from using water or any liquid based coolant, the Bit is not a super conductor of temperature so there's no way that it could affect the precision. The bits are constantly rubbing metal on metal and they heat up constantly.
@@dmitrykurdyukov2197 износ режущий кромок инструмента идёт меньше , а значит период стойки выше будет. Касаемо точности немного не понятно , ведь при отрицательных температурах , размер будет меньше чем при нагревании изделия до температуры окружающей среды .
I would like to see the modifications they need to contain or vent the excess nitrogen. The safety engineers must have had a lot of fun thinking about that.
My shop had a vent that led outside and we had to wear an O2 meter and if it went off meant we had to get out of the machine. I never had any problems.
For the milling machines: Can the spindle contract and grasp the tool tapper due to thermal deformation? This would be a problem with the ATC (automatic tool change)
@@elanjacobs1 sure easily modeled but it's never gonna be the same thermal expansion throughout the whole part and you can forget this method when you have tolerances of +-0.01mm. Only application i see this in is in roughing of hard materials but leaving stock for regular finishing
@@maxis.5443 well I’m sure the only place fucking -321° F of cooling can really be used to any of its actual potential is probably in situations like that lol
I believe insulation should solve this problem - spindle is usually quite big and has it's own source of heat (electric engine). Looks like that coolant is only used on actual tool.
Just an explanation for all of you cryogenic cooling is used for titanium and titanium alloys. Thermal expansion doesn't need to be considered because this is only used for roughing and drilling, and tungsten carbide won't get brittle when cooled down.
Was wondering about that. This method would only make sense for a high demand and value workpiece with long cycle times. Not to mention titanium will burn under the right circumstances.
wont this screw with the machines accuracy? what would be the warm up solutions to prevent your machine from over expanding or contracting? Wont the maintenance of the machine become more expensive with the constant expansion and contractions causing microfractures throughout the spindle?
Well in this situation you can calculate the expansion/contraction of metal using formulas and scientific equations. Science is repeatable and the laws of the universe don't change.
Does this introduce structural changes in the workpiece? I'm not a metallurgist but I think you can change the grain structure even more by supercooling from room temp just like from molten to room temp, no?
This is just a specialty item that works good for different things but is not really realistic. Also you introduce another hazard, some idiot will put this in his little shop and asphyxiate himself
@@tboniusmaximus3047 that was honestly my first thought, but then i figured "Surely there has to be some consideration for nitrogen build up" but youre right, that implies people arent idiots lol
@@brandons9138 inaccurate? no, slow ok i could give you that. The side of 3D printing is that you can make parts with almost 0 effort which would be IMPOSSIBLE to machine (you could still cast them obviously but you also have limits to that, if you use shell casting or investment, you have to make sandcores either with printing or a core box etc etc)
@@FireGodSpeed3D printing is wildly inaccurate compared to machining. 3D printing has its uses, but it's not a replacement for machining. Porsche and Trumpf are 3d printing pistons for Porsche's racing team. Just about every surface on them has to be machines prior to use because they can't get the tolerance/form or surface finish they need. There will need to be a paradigm shift in how 3D printing is done before it even comes close to machining. 3D printers are one trick ponies. If I have a tight tolerance hole on a part in a machine tool I have several options on how to achieve that hole/tolerance. On a 3D printer that is not the case. Once a mill or lathe is set up it'll run lights out with minimal human intervention. At my shop we have a robot loaded 5 axis mill that will run for 48 hours non stop. We could do more, but our material staging area is only so big.
@@brandons9138 ofc its not even close to accurate compared to machining i never said that lol. I just said its not "inaccurate" it really depends on part and application. Some stuff does not NEED to be machined they can stay as rough as they come out. Taking a piston as an example i mean come on you serious. Ofc you can't 3D print a fucking piston to spec when it rides in a honed bore are you for real? I did some googling on the tolerances of 3D printing and my guy.. "For well-designed parts, tolerances of +0.003 in. (0.076mm) plus 0.1% of nominal length can typically be achieved. Note that tolerances may change depending on part geometry." (+-0.1mm max aka 4thou+- MAX) That's 3thou accuracy at best. "inaccurate"? Compared to a Cast part that's accurate af. We have a 5 axis mill too that sometimes runs up to 60 hours at times, no clue why you even brought that up lol. And here we go with the "yes that's very inaccurate, i machine parts to microscopic level, not even the best machines can detect the precision i do" I make molds btw and i say +-1 thou for most stuff pff. its not that deep. (Piston and cylinder need a MINIMUM of 2 thou clearance, can go up to 6thou) so not even that is that deep my guy.
@@haydenc2742 yes but hardness and toughness are not the same thing. I'm thinking more towards the thermal expansion of the tip vs the rest of the cutting tool. Wouldn't there be a sharp temperature gradient?
I would understand in lathe work, but milling, no way, I'm not put something that cold get through the spindle, how does it react with spindle bearings? since it's cold the ball bearing is shrinking now there is bigger gap and the spindle bearings would wear faster. Then what about the spindle and tool taper, because of that coldness it would shrink too. As other people say in the comments what about machining parts out of dimensions, because constantly extreme temperature fluctuation. I don't think it's worth it.
Definetly not worth it We had one Milling Machine with this setup After 2 years of use the Spindle bearings broke and went to space 😂 It exploded so hard due to inertia we tought the gas tank exploded This Technology is not new and there is a reason why is not globally used
What they don’t say is how much more expensive it is to buy and maintain the liquid nitrogen, tooling, machines, storage, piping, and pumps to use this novel technology.
Amazing they only now come with this technique, its seem logical and not too far fetched, what was the big obstacle that prevented this from being introduced sooner? Looks much cleaner than all that usual coolant.
Wouldn’t that warp your part because your blasting freezing air on it, and the metal would shrink? What happens when your tool gets really hot from accidentally cutting abit too deep? Hot and blast of freezing air won’t snap your tool?
Looks like a game changer. I wonder how this heating and cooling cycle limts the tool life if at all. Also will this cause complications on a molecular scale if the parts operating temperature is farther from its manufacturing temperature. Very cool idea:)
New tools will have to be designed to keep in mind the size/amount of "sink" and it's ability to deliver to a fine edge which is usually a tapered point on the tool that has little ability to retain the desired temperature, at least traditional designs so far.
This may be the future, but these guys really aren't pushing these machines with this innovative way of cooling tools. I see titans of cnc pushing much ... much harder with conventional coolant methods.
Tis is looking so good.... but I have question. How u can make really precesion holes and other precision stuff when u cool your tool so much? This cryogenic cooling cool only tool and dont share temperature to workpiece?
When you watch these Machines working real time, it really makes me think; "oh okay, so it just takes one full year for them to CNC a fan blade for a turbine engine.."
Longest cycle time at my shop is just over three minutes. Those fan blades would be like having a vacation day: load the part on the morning, read a book, catch up on your shows, have a nap, unload the part at the end of shift and go home.
I dont know how to think about this i mean its got cooling properties but what about lubrication? Is it not necessary for better surface finish and longer health of the tool?
room temp, or some number greater than -300, is likely what the aim is for the contact tip. Just the rest of the tool that isn't cutting will experience the full thermal effect. And -300 or so is what it takes to keep the working portion at that temp.
Coolant has more functions than to keep it cool, otherwise coolant could be just water. The oil in coolant reduces friction (cutting oil) but it also washes away the chips.
It looks like they are using some kind of lubrication in the cooling gas stream. The gas also transports the chips. Minimal quantity lubrication already works the same way, minus the cooling.
“No hazardous fumes” you’re still going to want some good ventilation, nitrogen vapor can cause suffocation without warning. This mill is blowing a lot of it.
@@nicktriplett9331 Nope, tried with Shazam "Misty Alpha Brain Waves" is the result, which does NOT coincide. Try search yourself, you might be luckier than me.
What are they saving g on spindle life? Or taking a heavier cutt with the same sfm. I only like that they do it to the qorkpeice, in the lathe paeticylar, not the mill, will it shrink your bearings?
What do you think about the hard and difficult materials processing ? PERFORMANCE By moving the critical temperature of the cutting tool to the right, performance is enhanced with the ability to machine faster with increased material removal rates (MRR) and finishing speeds. These increases translate to reduced cycle times, which means more parts produced per month…more revenue per month. With increases in tool life, per part costs can also be reduced. Additionally, the ability to machine faster and longer, cryogenic machining technology opens the door to efficient machining of emerging materials that are harder and more difficult to cut.
I'm not a professional machinist, but there are 91 comments so far and they are mostly unique and legitimate concerns about real life use. Who is the target audience for this technology?
Everything where it doesn't matter, how much it costs, maybe? Average home machinist probably doesn't have the money for a few dewars full of liquid nitrogen....
How would that hold up milling aluminum plate on a gantry mill? Would it be so cold that the chips won't stick to the endmill or would you still need cutting oil? Serious question 🤔
Interesting concept but is the cutting interface actually cool or does it instantly get heated? might need cooling and heat conducting material ultra close to the cutting edge.
Looks to me as environmentally friendly as the electrical buses (not cars that use batteries...buses or trams that use wires overhead). You take the polluting factor, scale it, control it and reduce it a bit...but mainly you take it elsewhere, where there is less concentration already. Meaning...you.may not need to use lubricant or cooling, hense reducing the possibility of contaminating the water supply of your area, or inhaling it...but, you need to compress and liquify Nitrogen (or whatever they use) consuming huge loads of electricity, produced (usually) with efficient, but still environmentally hazardous, ways. I can see the benefits in the production line though. Looks neat!
In my opinion this is only cost-effective if you can figure out a way to make it a closed loop system where you do not lose the chemical out of the bits such as you see.
How would capturing nitrogen gas and recooling/compressing it on a small scale be cost effective? That would cost significantly more and you wouldn't come close to saving money
@@miles11we explain your rationale? I use closed loop systems with butane, CO2, and nitrogen. They work great in oil extraction from cannabis. I use 2 canisters, one hot one cold. The. You alternate/reverse the heat. This controls the flow of fluid through the system. If done correctly you will lose almost no gas.
How would making something that is already nearly the same rockwell hardness as diamond this cold increase tool life? You'd probably start to get brittle fracturing of the cutting edges. Not to mention that cutting coolant usually acts as a lubricant too. Only way I see this as necessary versus traditional cooling is if you're working with components that you absolutely cannot have chemical residue left, like biomedical devices, or ultraprecision scientific/nuclear instruments.
I'm curious on how they account for the diameter of the tool shrinking
"Simple", measure tool diameter offset when the tool is cooled, or if the need for precision is extreme, a tool offset chart vs. temperature, and use IR based dynamic tool temperature offset...
I would think the tool would stay at a constant temperature during cutting operation. I don’t think your going to get much thermal shrinking on carbide or ceramic inserts. Tool holder might shrink a bit but you can run test to figure that out.
@@flyfaen1 yeah measuring the tool at its coolest state would probably work and for bearing fits and such you could have a offset screen that measures tool temperature and runs it through a graph [dia. vs temp] and account for change
If its for roughing, who cares.
@Ryan Claus That's not how thermal expansion works in carbide or steel.
But I really like the smell of old coolant that has been stewing for months
Yea no joke. Seems like it smells just as bad when it's new though. Smells like fish at least the stuff we use does
Yeah and it gives wonderful infections in little wounds on the hands.
Try having to clean a 18" turret lathe reservoir sitting over year with water soluble animal fat based coolant. Oh the joy of being 15 years old and working at dad's shop......lol......we were making F14 Tomcat fuel fittings.
I was talking with the repairmen working on the CNC bandsaw at my work. They told me cutting fluid, at least the stuff that's dark green and mixed with water to make a green milk looking solution is made of an animal byproduct.
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That's awesome! I would have assumed that the carbide would have become super brittle at that temp.
I would have to agree on that. Freezing something all ready super hard and make it super cold would make it more brittle. Trail and error on your speeds and feeds to find the right setting would be fun😁
Just a guess, maybe they don't harden the material itself and they let it harden naturally from the cryogen temps.
Pure speculation.
@@mr.ignitio1082 true but it's dam cool what they are doing now days in machining world and it doesn't get old one bit
@@kindle2730 I love machining and technology. It really starts to become indistinguishable from magic.
I'm sure you have to have cryo rated tools. Surely they aren't the same alloys as regular tooling.
1:00 ***douses tools with -321F liquid nitorgen*** “no coolant”
technically speaking its a refrigerant. but yes their double speak with laughable
@@Chocoboranger i guess they mean the white fluid that is specifically named “coolant” on the bottle, not just stuff you can make colder with. machinist coolant does more than cool stuff - it also lubricates
i think they mean coolant like the ones in fridges that hare high polluting factors, instead of complex liquids they just use liquid nitrogen wich is easy to get and is basically neutral to anything in the workplace
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It doesn’t *cut* with coolant, for me coolant means a smelly oily mess
"No toxic coolant fumes or mist" - Yes, that is indeed an improvement, and I welcome that wholeheartedly.
However, I can see another work-hazard emerging - Tool change, and some idiot gripping the toolholder/tool with his bare hand and get 2nd/3rd degree frostbite.
Also a non trivial suffocation hazzard.
Good
That idiot being me😂
Nitrogen will cause suffocation as well as cold burns.
I don't think the tools are changed out by humans, and the machine is sealed.
Lubrication qualities of "coolant" should not be underestimated here. It helps with chip evacuation. Running dry you don't get those benefits even if you do get lower temperatures.
Also, the whole machine has to be built for the cryogenic coolant since the temperature is so low and affects more than just the cutting edge, like bearings and other parts that refrigerant runs through to get to the cutting edges... so might not be cheap.
"No coolant" The cryogenic medium is most certainly a coolant.
Likely an asphyxiation risk too! Albeit space age and cool looking.
It's dry ice
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Yep, and dry ice is cold, very cold.
@@1gizmospot
No. nitrogen.
Liquid co2 would clog as it would be cooled to turn solid at normobaric.
Hooray for Science!
I wonder how much the tool and material changes shape when under this kind of temperature change
Because when high load cutting the heat generated from friction will not be consistent and it’s seems like really big temperature change when spraying nitrogen
@Ryan Claus can you stop replying with this retarded explanation? Cryo treatment doesn't magically make things not shrink or grow from thermal changes.
0.002 - 0.02 в зависимости от режимов резания
to all scientist from the comment section worrying about thermal expansion from the cold air, its not so much different from using water or any liquid based coolant, the Bit is not a super conductor of temperature so there's no way that it could affect the precision. The bits are constantly rubbing metal on metal and they heat up constantly.
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Некоторые ускорены, я только не понимаю, низкая температура что даёт кроме охлаждения режущего инструмента?
@@dmitrykurdyukov2197 высочайшую точность обработки
@@dmitrykurdyukov2197 износ режущий кромок инструмента идёт меньше , а значит период стойки выше будет. Касаемо точности немного не понятно , ведь при отрицательных температурах , размер будет меньше чем при нагревании изделия до температуры окружающей среды .
I would like to see the modifications they need to contain or vent the excess nitrogen. The safety engineers must have had a lot of fun thinking about that.
My shop had a vent that led outside and we had to wear an O2 meter and if it went off meant we had to get out of the machine. I never had any problems.
@@JR-us1ne that's crazy, I love it
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Cold tooling countering the hot friction temperatures. Cool!
I thought I was the first one with this idea but it seems someone already made it. Cool to see.
I’m going to have to stop saying “Hot off the mill!”.
that phrase isnt referring to a machining mill
For the milling machines:
Can the spindle contract and grasp the tool tapper due to thermal deformation?
This would be a problem with the ATC (automatic tool change)
There is a special spray that u have to use lub it with
I worked for a company that ran nitrogen and its never got stuck while changing tools. It was very fascinating to run. Cuts down run time on titanium.
Thermal expansion and contraction Workpiece tool accuracy??
Easily modelled and compensated for
@@elanjacobs1 sure easily modeled but it's never gonna be the same thermal expansion throughout the whole part and you can forget this method when you have tolerances of +-0.01mm. Only application i see this in is in roughing of hard materials but leaving stock for regular finishing
@@maxis.5443 well I’m sure the only place fucking -321° F of cooling can really be used to any of its actual potential is probably in situations like that lol
Man i would be more worried about what its doing to my spindle bearings at that temp.
I believe insulation should solve this problem - spindle is usually quite big and has it's own source of heat (electric engine). Looks like that coolant is only used on actual tool.
@@MisFakapek or adding an oli heater like the water cooling but... for heating xd
вот вот, я тоже об этом подумал
машину завёл в мороз и сразу тапок в пол на все деньги, волоса назад)))
Just an explanation for all of you cryogenic cooling is used for titanium and titanium alloys. Thermal expansion doesn't need to be considered because this is only used for roughing and drilling, and tungsten carbide won't get brittle when cooled down.
Was wondering about that. This method would only make sense for a high demand and value workpiece with long cycle times.
Not to mention titanium will burn under the right circumstances.
All that I have to say is, this is pretty cool.
This is the future of machining
wont this screw with the machines accuracy? what would be the warm up solutions to prevent your machine from over expanding or contracting? Wont the maintenance of the machine become more expensive with the constant expansion and contractions causing microfractures throughout the spindle?
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Doesn’t the milling bit becomes brittle at these temperatures? Tungsten carbide is already almost as brittle as ceramic.
Looking at the videos, apparently not?;)
Metal toughens up the colder it gets
@@garydos000 harder, but brittle.
@@garydos000 gets stronger, not tougher. as far as i know most metals get less tough as they get cold.
Do you have to correct for thermal expansion/shrink?
I was thinking the same
Cool it down, zero/touch the tool, done?
I can imagine with mass production a few parts are scrapped for getting the right settings.....
Modern tools have touch setters, use them
Well in this situation you can calculate the expansion/contraction of metal using formulas and scientific equations. Science is repeatable and the laws of the universe don't change.
I guess it's main use would be with some inconlels to keep them from work hardening but I can't see it as cost effective
That's not what work hardening is. This won't stop work hardening.
Does this introduce structural changes in the workpiece? I'm not a metallurgist but I think you can change the grain structure even more by supercooling from room temp just like from molten to room temp, no?
This is actually so based, why did I never think of this.
So what about in situations where coolant acts like a lubricant and helps with the removal of chips?
This is just a specialty item that works good for different things but is not really realistic. Also you introduce another hazard, some idiot will put this in his little shop and asphyxiate himself
@@tboniusmaximus3047 that was honestly my first thought, but then i figured "Surely there has to be some consideration for nitrogen build up" but youre right, that implies people arent idiots lol
The nitrogen ice might help as a lubricant, as well as air moisture condensing. The pressure would probably chase away the chips
At some point in the near future, additive processes will dominate the fabrication industry, but I'm sure glad I'm alive during this era of machining.
Don't think so. Milling and turning will always be king
3D printing has been around for 40+ years. It still has all of the same issues that it's always had. It's slow and inaccurate.
@@brandons9138 inaccurate? no, slow ok i could give you that. The side of 3D printing is that you can make parts with almost 0 effort which would be IMPOSSIBLE to machine (you could still cast them obviously but you also have limits to that, if you use shell casting or investment, you have to make sandcores either with printing or a core box etc etc)
@@FireGodSpeed3D printing is wildly inaccurate compared to machining. 3D printing has its uses, but it's not a replacement for machining. Porsche and Trumpf are 3d printing pistons for Porsche's racing team. Just about every surface on them has to be machines prior to use because they can't get the tolerance/form or surface finish they need.
There will need to be a paradigm shift in how 3D printing is done before it even comes close to machining. 3D printers are one trick ponies. If I have a tight tolerance hole on a part in a machine tool I have several options on how to achieve that hole/tolerance. On a 3D printer that is not the case.
Once a mill or lathe is set up it'll run lights out with minimal human intervention. At my shop we have a robot loaded 5 axis mill that will run for 48 hours non stop. We could do more, but our material staging area is only so big.
@@brandons9138 ofc its not even close to accurate compared to machining i never said that lol. I just said its not "inaccurate" it really depends on part and application. Some stuff does not NEED to be machined they can stay as rough as they come out.
Taking a piston as an example i mean come on you serious. Ofc you can't 3D print a fucking piston to spec when it rides in a honed bore are you for real?
I did some googling on the tolerances of 3D printing and my guy.. "For well-designed parts, tolerances of +0.003 in. (0.076mm) plus 0.1% of nominal length can typically be achieved. Note that tolerances may change depending on part geometry." (+-0.1mm max aka 4thou+- MAX)
That's 3thou accuracy at best. "inaccurate"?
Compared to a Cast part that's accurate af.
We have a 5 axis mill too that sometimes runs up to 60 hours at times, no clue why you even brought that up lol.
And here we go with the "yes that's very inaccurate, i machine parts to microscopic level, not even the best machines can detect the precision i do"
I make molds btw and i say +-1 thou for most stuff pff. its not that deep.
(Piston and cylinder need a MINIMUM of 2 thou clearance, can go up to 6thou) so not even that is that deep my guy.
Sounds like the humidity coukd be a problem, no vaccum?
This seems like a really bad idea... But I'm not sure why. Wouldn't the temperature gradient increase risk of the tool fracturing ?
Cryogenically cooling hardened cutting tools actually causes the hardness to increase
Check out cryogenic hardening to learn more
@@haydenc2742 yes but hardness and toughness are not the same thing. I'm thinking more towards the thermal expansion of the tip vs the rest of the cutting tool. Wouldn't there be a sharp temperature gradient?
I would understand in lathe work, but milling, no way, I'm not put something that cold get through the spindle, how does it react with spindle bearings? since it's cold the ball bearing is shrinking now there is bigger gap and the spindle bearings would wear faster. Then what about the spindle and tool taper, because of that coldness it would shrink too. As other people say in the comments what about machining parts out of dimensions, because constantly extreme temperature fluctuation. I don't think it's worth it.
I rarely see such good comments on YT. Felt like I was on reddit for a second.
Definetly not worth it
We had one Milling Machine with this setup
After 2 years of use the Spindle bearings broke and went to space 😂
It exploded so hard due to inertia we tought the gas tank exploded
This Technology is not new and there is a reason why is not globally used
Send it through as a liquid, allow it to have expansion where you need it. It will only become cool where it drops pressure…
@@LordOfChaos.x wow, my theory worked. I thought bearings would cease rather than explode.
@@Andrey222ful well they did, after seizing
What they don’t say is how much more expensive it is to buy and maintain the liquid nitrogen, tooling, machines, storage, piping, and pumps to use this novel technology.
Will the chilling effect on the tool not cause it to be more brittle? I know heat and friction is the death of any sharp cutting edge.
If titanium is not cooled, it will quickly overheat. It does not remove heat well, and the chips can catch fire, all the chips in an instant
Amazing they only now come with this technique, its seem logical and not too far fetched, what was the big obstacle that prevented this from being introduced sooner? Looks much cleaner than all that usual coolant.
more enviromentally friendly??!! how much energy does it take to cool that end mill versus running a normal coolant pump? greener my a
This is kind of cool, literally.
Wouldn’t that warp your part because your blasting freezing air on it, and the metal would shrink? What happens when your tool gets really hot from accidentally cutting abit too deep? Hot and blast of freezing air won’t snap your tool?
Tools are made much more durable now, so no, that won't happen.
On the flip side, wouldn't the part warp if it got too hot?
would the contact with such a cold tool, or the off gassing from the cooling deform the part during machining?
Looks like a game changer. I wonder how this heating and cooling cycle limts the tool life if at all. Also will this cause complications on a molecular scale if the parts operating temperature is farther from its manufacturing temperature. Very cool idea:)
i wonder if any shop has enough jobs that they just never turn off the liquid nitrogen to avoid thermally cycling the tools
What kind of precautions are taken for sudden temperature changes and thermal stresses that vary depending on geometry?
The coolant is also used to wash the chips away, notice when cylinder boring, the amount of chips that were inside with the tool.
New tools will have to be designed to keep in mind the size/amount of "sink" and it's ability to deliver to a fine edge which is usually a tapered point on the tool that has little ability to retain the desired temperature, at least traditional designs so far.
This may be the future, but these guys really aren't pushing these machines with this innovative way of cooling tools. I see titans of cnc pushing much ... much harder with conventional coolant methods.
Tis is looking so good.... but I have question. How u can make really precesion holes and other precision stuff when u cool your tool so much? This cryogenic cooling cool only tool and dont share temperature to workpiece?
When you watch these Machines working real time, it really makes me think; "oh okay, so it just takes one full year for them to CNC a fan blade for a turbine engine.."
Longest cycle time at my shop is just over three minutes. Those fan blades would be like having a vacation day: load the part on the morning, read a book, catch up on your shows, have a nap, unload the part at the end of shift and go home.
This is a really cool video
Started watching because the title seemed exciting. Kept watching because that first track is an absolute banger. Anyone have the ID?
pretty sure its in the description.
Thats my question to my lecture at 4 years ago
But, he lies😌 its look so efficient n high precise
1:31 If you look closely, you can see the (still!) red hot tip of the chisel. I never noticed that before. Very cool (figuratively and literally)
tell about the fatigue effect of such a large temperature change
I might pick up a few of these, for the weekends.
I dont know how to think about this i mean its got cooling properties but what about lubrication? Is it not necessary for better surface finish and longer health of the tool?
Dis is da way to cool drill bits.
Wow the beautiful parts
I mean, do you really need it to be -300. could you keep it at a steady room temp and not shrink the tool or waste so much nitrogen?
Expensive L N
room temp, or some number greater than -300, is likely what the aim is for the contact tip. Just the rest of the tool that isn't cutting will experience the full thermal effect. And -300 or so is what it takes to keep the working portion at that temp.
When Machining the temp of tool reaches in 1000's of Celcius, so to offset that.. you need to be in the minus range.
Coolant has more functions than to keep it cool, otherwise coolant could be just water. The oil in coolant reduces friction (cutting oil) but it also washes away the chips.
It looks like they are using some kind of lubrication in the cooling gas stream. The gas also transports the chips. Minimal quantity lubrication already works the same way, minus the cooling.
Does that freeze the spindle too?
“No hazardous fumes” you’re still going to want some good ventilation, nitrogen vapor can cause suffocation without warning. This mill is blowing a lot of it.
... the music (in the cryo part) is dope tho... 😃
Do you know the name of the song?
@@nicktriplett9331 Nope, tried with Shazam "Misty Alpha Brain Waves" is the result, which does NOT coincide. Try search yourself, you might be luckier than me.
What are they saving g on spindle life? Or taking a heavier cutt with the same sfm. I only like that they do it to the qorkpeice, in the lathe paeticylar, not the mill, will it shrink your bearings?
Why have a great quality video, with great subject matter and absolutely ruin it with music?
Such a simple equation , supercool in more ways than one .❄️
work that requires less cooling could be done with a Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube that turns compressed air into 1 hot 200°c stream and 1 cold -50°c
How about cutting tool life. Wont it gets brittle when nitrogen is passed through. And make the cutting edge chip off???
I assume cutting tools are designed in specific operating temperatures. so they most likely are not a standard tools.
Impressive 👍👍
What do you think about the hard and difficult materials processing ?
PERFORMANCE
By moving the critical temperature of the cutting tool to the right, performance is enhanced with the ability to machine faster with increased material removal rates (MRR) and finishing speeds. These increases translate to reduced cycle times, which means more parts produced per month…more revenue per month. With increases in tool life, per part costs can also be reduced. Additionally, the ability to machine faster and longer, cryogenic machining technology opens the door to efficient machining of emerging materials that are harder and more difficult to cut.
I'm not a professional machinist, but there are 91 comments so far and they are mostly unique and legitimate concerns about real life use. Who is the target audience for this technology?
Everything where it doesn't matter, how much it costs, maybe?
Average home machinist probably doesn't have the money for a few dewars full of liquid nitrogen....
I wonder if condensed water dripping all over your parts is gonna be a problem. Maybe needs a dehumidifier?
It's no worse than water/oil/coolant being sprayed all over them.
I wonder if you could add mist cooling of the liquid N2 instead of through coolant.
Good idea Dr. Ben Carson
Through coolant probably helps from freezing everything together
Technology is so fascinating. Just 250 years ago, we didn’t know how to use electricity. Imagine what we’ll accomplish 250 years from now.
Kill ourselves most probably 😉
Ho do you seal liquid nitrogen while you spin at high rpm?
1:13-1:24
Are the chips breaking the other side of that insert?
Whoever made this video had a particular audience in mind. If you know you know.
Is this better than liquid cooling?
How would that hold up milling aluminum plate on a gantry mill? Would it be so cold that the chips won't stick to the endmill or would you still need cutting oil? Serious question 🤔
It's for machining titanium not aluminum
Interesting concept but is the cutting interface actually cool or does it instantly get heated? might need cooling and heat conducting material ultra close to the cutting edge.
When extreme overclocking meets CNC machining...
Как добавить нолик к ценнику станка? Или цены сопоставимы?
The music is dope
Mayby u know the artist?
I found this "Ice Cavern - Azure Mines"
But im still searching for exact variant used in this video.
@@sulefff thank you so much ..... U R my hero :))))
Чего только не придумают, лишь бы не работать)
Лень -- двигатель прогресса )
Looks useful for some applications but coolant also cleans out the process area etc so yes but no also installation cost etc
Looks to me as environmentally friendly as the electrical buses (not cars that use batteries...buses or trams that use wires overhead).
You take the polluting factor, scale it, control it and reduce it a bit...but mainly you take it elsewhere, where there is less concentration already.
Meaning...you.may not need to use lubricant or cooling, hense reducing the possibility of contaminating the water supply of your area, or inhaling it...but, you need to compress and liquify Nitrogen (or whatever they use) consuming huge loads of electricity, produced (usually) with efficient, but still environmentally hazardous, ways.
I can see the benefits in the production line though. Looks neat!
Я когда бреюсь тоже в жидкий азот станок окунаю и стряхиваю. 10 лет станку, не тупится зараза такая
How much efficiency this method compeared by mist and liqued coolant
In my opinion this is only cost-effective if you can figure out a way to make it a closed loop system where you do not lose the chemical out of the bits such as you see.
How would capturing nitrogen gas and recooling/compressing it on a small scale be cost effective? That would cost significantly more and you wouldn't come close to saving money
@@miles11we explain your rationale? I use closed loop systems with butane, CO2, and nitrogen. They work great in oil extraction from cannabis. I use 2 canisters, one hot one cold. The. You alternate/reverse the heat. This controls the flow of fluid through the system. If done correctly you will lose almost no gas.
@@miles11we the same way an air conditioning closed loop system on a vehicle operates.
So beautiful😍
This is really....cool.
Fluids though must reduce the effect of friction.
Air is a fluid
How do they control final dimensions when the piece and the tool tip are that cold, and then maybe another side of the part is hot?
How would making something that is already nearly the same rockwell hardness as diamond this cold increase tool life? You'd probably start to get brittle fracturing of the cutting edges. Not to mention that cutting coolant usually acts as a lubricant too. Only way I see this as necessary versus traditional cooling is if you're working with components that you absolutely cannot have chemical residue left, like biomedical devices, or ultraprecision scientific/nuclear instruments.
Вау! Впечатляет. Но что насчет температурного расширения?
Very good!
That’s pretty cool.
What carbide material it is? Does it not to britlle?? Lot of waste gas... How much production cost it is?
I mean that's cool. But what about the frostbite when I gotta change inserts on that face mill
does this not make problems with toleranzes?
Doesn't this make the tool more likely to shatter?