Surprised that you didn't mention that the Lusankya was hidden under the Imperial Palace on Coruscant to serve as the Emperor's emergency evacuation ship in case the planet fell. Personally, i think that having a 19KM long dreadnought serving the role of "Escape Pod" is the most Palpatine thing i can think of.
The Lusankya was buried beneath Coruscant, as an extreme escape method for Palpatine. It also scored him points in some historical Sith pissing contest, since merely by launching, untold millions would die - and eventually, did.
@@mikd157 The SC in halo had a special set of spires cloaking it from the planet's surface if I recall correctly. Destroying the spires decloaked it, which is when it finally opened fire.
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Shame that Piett had to eat it onboard the Executor. Of all the COs depicted in the movies and books, I always found him to be among the most sensible and level-headed. Instead of being blinded by ambition like all the other blue-blooded morons found in the Empire's employ. ... I said blue-BLOOD, not blue-SKIN, Grand Admiral.
Piett was competent, but hardly exceptional. I wouldn't even put him in the top twenty of Imperial naval officers once you take the Expanded Universe into account. Teshik, Grunger, Tigellinus, Takel, Zaarin, Pitta, Grant, Kaine, Zsinj, Thrawn, Pellaeon, Rogriss, Delvardus, Harrsk, the Teradoc brothers, Syn, Declann, Kiez, even Makati all were more gifted than Piett.
There were several factors that lead to the destruction of the Executor. First off, it had extremely powerful shielding. Only after the entire rebel fleet focused its fire on it, the shields went down, and the A-wing was able to kamikazi. Another was that it's engines were damaged. In the movie and Battlefront 2, you can see as it's crashing, that there's smoke coming from it's engines. The final one was where it was positioned. Generally, there are several backup bridges on an Executor, but Piett parked it too close to the Death Star. It was caught in the death stars gravity, and was pulled towards it and crashed before control could be put to the emergency bridge.
"the death stars gravity"? Sure the Death Star was the size of a small moon, but it was hollow. And whilst it may have been very big and thus very heavy, it could never have been so heavy as to have gravity strong enough to cause a ship the size of the Executor to ram it within seconds after the engines stalling. That would take a black hole of massive proportions for such force of gravity. I think it was George Lucas' gravity that caused the ram, not the Death Stars.
@@MarijnRoorda Let's pretend they had powerful fake gravity on the Death Star to simulate being on a Earth size planet and that's what attracted Executor or whatever. It's all fiction anyway.
@@MarijnRoorda it would have been an artificial gravity well, not regular gravity from the size/density of the death star. There's a reason people were able to walk around in the first death star instead of floating everywhere.
@@apassionatenerd.3564 Let's not go anywhere near opening up the can of worms of gravity in fantasy space films, series and novels. There is but one TV series that has done this well, and that's The Expanse. Every other fantasy and scify series, movie and book just assumes there is some kind of system for it that fixes what issues we could have. There is some minor explanation in Star Trek, and that's it. Star Wars is no different, it's assumed that everybody is a hyperspace theory expert and thus it doesn't get explained. Thank god we we're told of the existence of Midichlorians so obviously, The Force is a real thing...
I never got why it fell on to the Death Star after its bridge got decapitated. It wasn't an atmospheric craft that lost its thrust and lift. Inertia should've kept it on its original heading.
dalvant 'Focusing fire from the entire fleet'. Aka a dozen of so, much smaller lightly armed corvettes and fregates fireing at it for 3-5 minutes. Yea that should bring a 19.000 meter long, heavy armoured ship down.
@ Jeebus: to be fair Ackbar did order the fleet to concentrate all their fire on the SSD. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was expensive as hell to do those effects back in the day, and they had a finite amount of time to dedicate to the space battle along with everything else going on. I think it's a safe bet that the fleet followed his instructions and more than just a couple ships and fighters were tasked to shoot up the Executor.
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Good Job man;) but I have to correct you: multiple SSD's had cloaking tecnology including the knighthammer you mentioned at the end. Anyway keep it up man I really like your series.
Ah ok then. But still it's worth mentioning I think since there were more ships somewhat concealed. I think there were even nearly as much concealed SSD's as regular ones.
It was actually a gift by Palpatine. Although, I'm sure Vader enjoyed it in some capacity. I can't remember if Vader asked for something like this, yet I do know Palpatine gifted it for his accomplishments.
Star Wars space battles are so frustrating. The 'villains' are so inconsistent only ever having the power they have on paper when it suits the plot and being a giant flying china plate when it fits. I would not be surprised for a rebel alliance corvette to destroy a fleet of super star destroyers using deus ex machina star wars logic.
In the books SSDs were a ;lot harder to kill than Executor was(the fact it was in the Death Star's gravity well helped that one). Lusankya took several hundred torpedoes and missiles from Rogue Squadron and a collection of freighters, plus fire from several capital ships and they only blew the bow off and disabled the engines, and only was destroyed years later when it rammed a Yuzhan Vong Worldship.
Super Class are almost impossible to take down. But the Imperial Star Destroyers were sitting ducks, If two squadrons of Xwings or Awings came at them they would quickly turn tail and run for their lives. ROFL
let me tell you. it's plot armor. how come a dreadnought class destroyed just because their command bridge got rammed by A wing class? don't they have any second command bridge somewhere like space battleship Yamato?
By the time of the Yuuzhan Vong War, only 2 remained, Lusankya and Guardian, and of those two, just the Guardian survived the war. Lusankya was heavily damaged during the Battle of Borleias, and rather than repair the ship, the New Republic had it partially refitted to have an enormous 'stinger' of sorts constructed in its' central freight corridor, AKA the 'Beltway'. It was used to ram a Yuuzhan Vong Worldship, destroying them both.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I stand corrected. An SSD is shown but not named in Destiny's Way in the Empire. They definitely had one, they might have had two, although the ass kicking they took at Bastion means it may have been destroyed, or said ship was the Dominion all along
the immensely complex engineering challenges of this is just mind boggling. Fx having loads of expansion sections in the haul so it can expand and contract at different rates different places in the haul and still keep a complete tight seal. Hard yet theoretically possible. But that it is taken down by one tiny ship is just unbelievable. At least it looked good :)
@@beast0382 Yup. If it hadn't been in Orbit of a small moon, it would have been just fine. 30 or so seconds after the A-Wing crash and the ships secondary Bridge would finish assuming full control and any loss of combat efficiency would disappear... The best way to take one of these monsters out is with large coordinated swarms of Proton Torpedoes such as what Wedge used in the novel The Bacta War to stop Lusankya and even then, he didn't kill the entire ship, just damaged it enough to cause it's Idiot Commanding Officer to lose his mind forcing the other Bridge Crew to Mutiny and shoot him in order to keep him from committing Suicide and taking the rest of the quarter-million crew with him and even then, that only worked because the command crew was green/over-confident and/or not properly trained for the tactics that ship used... Executor was Vader's Personal Command Ship and thus had the single best trained and experienced Crew possibly second only to the Crew of Grand-Admiral Thrawn...it would take a huge Fleet with thousands if not tens of thousands of Proton Torpedoes to kill it if not for the circumstances of one crashing A-Wing while orbiting a moon...
i know like i am sure the bridge had other spot that controls the ship below of where it got hit. only thing i can assume since the it hit where the ship was controlled at got hit it had no pilots anymore i assume if so it would pretty much been station where it was set at and stay there wont move but still be intact. as i seen seems when ever a space ship gets hit where navigation at the ship no longer flyable it will go down no matter the size if navigation goes down the ship is pretty much doomed.
Awesomewolfpic it's really sad :( I would think that they have measures for dealing with this problem if it happens or even stronger shields on the bridge Imagine someone going suicidal on the death star bridge, all those men and all that investment would be lost, assuming it collapses with a planet
death star bridge seems kinda hidden and maybe does have more bridges then the star destroyers would think they add more bridges of controls then just one for something that big. but yea if bridge on death star goes and hits planet it would kill more then star destroyer crashing but i assume rebels wouldn't do that for it if close to planet that has life on it but knowing the rebels they would probably choose to do it if it the last thing they can do to stop it from destroying other planets.
That fighter hit the bridge, which controls the entire ship. Executor class ships did not have a back-up control bridge. When the Executor lost all of its controls, the Death Star II's gravity well pulled it to its doom.
It seems the empire had some sort of Titanic syndrome. Their weapons had glaring weaknesses, but they still thought them invincible. It would hard not to find the Executor indestructible considering all the cannons and defensive armaments.
Gear N Beer Indeed ... Many aquantances of mine range from retired Chief Engineers, to Marine Architects, to steam plant engineers ... the general consensus among them is two fold; the Titanic had an inherent design flaw in that each bulkhead did not reach the top deck ... in fact, they only reached a few decks down from there ... that meant as soon as one bulkhead was full of water, the overspill would start flooding the next, and so forth until her back was broken by most of her being submerged at the forward Grand Staircase, one of the two most weakest areas, structurally speaking, of the ship, causing what was sticking out of the water to essentially 'snap off' ... The other was instead of the Captain ordering a hard manover to port, he should have ordered full steam ... ahead ... Yes, that would have been extremely counterintuitive for the time, but given a thorough analysis by my both ex-Chief Engineers and Marine Architect friends, the force of impact would have damaged the prow, but not excessivly so, and may well have allowed her to stay afloat for much longer, allowing a more successful rescue attempt, resulting in a much fewer loss of life ... it was the long gash along her starboard side which was her undoing ... As for the Executor 'going down', there is a real life comparison ... Japan Airlines Flight 123 ... she was an early version of the 747 (200 series, iirc ...); all major hydralic lines were routed through the rear pressure bulkhead, and up into the tailfin, with no cutoff valves in case of a critical malfunction ... Due to a series of an accident, various errors, and, ultimately, human stupidity, the bulkhead gave way, causing explosive decompression, ripping the entire tailfin, with stabilizers, off; a secondary effect was most, if not all, hydralic power was immediately lost, as the fluid drained away, and also causing the plane to enter into a rollercoaster phugoid up and down flight; but, despite having no ability to control their heading, the incredibly brave flight crew kept the crippled aircraft aloft for a full 28+ minutes, a feat which even the most experienced of JAL pilots could not do in simulations, until she eventually crashed... that only four passengers survived is a whole other kettle of fish ... In short, my point is this ... just because a engineer thinks a design is full-proof, doesn't mean it is ... a small design flaw (not having full height bulkheads; not having shut-off valves at critical junctures; and sheer oversight, as in a improperly repaired bulkhead, or, as in the Hyatt Regency hotel disaster of 1981, passing off a design change, clearly not fit for purpose ...) meant that, once all the bridge controls were knocked out by that single A-Wing blowing it up, and, not having a secondary bridge, all control of the entire vessel having been lost, she was doomed from that second ... Arrogance and stupidity ...
but not to about 20 MC80 cruisers, flanked by dozens of corvettes and other ships. the A-wing was, to use common metaphor, the straw that broke the camels back.
Great video dude. I remember seeing the Executor for the first time when I saw Empire Strikes Back in the theater and just remember being blown away by it's awesome scale compared to the already massive Imperial I class Star Destroyers.
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Yeah, it would be incomprehensibly huge, but also extremely expensive. It would take several huge planet that are extremely rich with resources to make such a gigantic fleet.
Just found this channel, and as a huge Star Wars fan, I like how the information presented is expressed clearly. I would have liked you to talk a little bit more about the Lusankya, as it was used as a prison for rebel commanders and a brainwashing station during Ysanne Isard's leadership. Plus, the damn thing was embedded into Coruscant under the city.
"There is perhaps no greater symbol of the Empire's dominance, no greater argument for the futility of defiance, than the colossal flagship of its mighty fleet, the Tarkin doctrine epitomized, the Executor Class Super Star Destroyer" I got chills
Assuming this vessel was intended for any kind of lengthy deployment away from a base (a valid assumption) it would contain not only cooks, but mechanics, laundry personnel, even a ship's store. Consider that a modern supercarrier (far smaller in scale, but intended for the same purpose, namely naval power projection) is functionally a small town. You cannot send thousands (much less hundreds of thousands) of men out for months at a time and expect them to eat the equivalent of MRE's all day every day and not have them mutiny against you. Doesn't happen. Modern navy ships have very good cooks and quite decent chow aboard them. They also have to have places to do laundry and places to relax and have a friendly game of cards (gambling being forbidden, of course) or read or something. Military service is stressful, far more so than any other profession. Good food and a place to blow off steam occasionally, keeps that stress from becoming overwhelming to the point it causes people to break. Having someone go off the deep end on board a steel (or other metal) can in space, no matter how big, is a bad thing. Having grilled chicken and green beans for dinner a couple of times a week may not seem like a big deal to you or me, but to the guy onboard that steel can in space, it could be a huge deal. Give him the green beans, make sure he can do his laundry, and if you happen to come across a "friendly" card game that has some "items of no particular value" on the table "purely for the purposes of inspection", shake your head and move along (assuming everyone involved is offduty and they aren't fist fighting each other or causing discipline issues).
About 2,500 mess personnel. Many of them are stationed in the officer's and dignitaries sections. Ordinary Navy Crewers and Stormtroopers dine at automat-like mess halls. There are some really good food courts and cantinas in the dorsal city-sprawl, and some illegal nerf herds in the engineering and deep storage sections supplying the black market aboard ship.
+Vishnu79 thirty six thousand men are on board and need to be fed regularly. to feed that many people fresh meals, you'd need to be sowing crops and rearing animals for fuck's sake. they'd use rations for the storm troopers, who were generally treated like dogshit and had to deal with it "or else".
According to one Star Wars book I read, the Executor concept was based around the idea of placing the resources and capabilities of a large sector command station into a mobile frame and increasing its firepower. This would allow Imperial Moffs and Military Sector Governors to restage their base of operations to points nearer to where resources or demonstrations of power were needed.
It better be able to. I'm not slogging around the Galaxy in a giant, very evidently in the open super star destroyer. Well, not like the Rebels could do anything normally. But, my point is still that I don't want to have to wait a few more days to get somewhere in a super star destroyer, just to find myself missing the battle due to my slowness.
one of the best scenes in film 5?? was the star destroyer being over shadowed by the super star destroyer in my opinion. what a way to give some idea of scale. Awesome!
Glass the planetary defense with Cannon bombardment? they can have billion people but not all of them are enlisted to the army, and with the lack of equipment, good luck surviving that.
Sorry, but as we've seen countless times both in reality and within the Star Wars universe, a small but determined insurgency can be more than a match for the most well equipped and heavily armed superpowers. 38,000 troops is not enough to hold a city much less a whole planet. The US couldn't hold Iraq with 150,000 troops, and the Soviets couldn't hold Afghanistan with 300,000 troops. And the Galactic Empire's most powerful weapons couldn't defend themselves against the Rebel Alliance. We're supposed to believe that they're invading a planet with 38,000 troops? Nope. That's a support force at best.
on the other hand the empire would not care to wipe out a planet or two just to show everybody else that they are still in charge while the USA would not dare to just nuke afghanistan... and that makes a mayor difference for combat moral or insurgency uprisings.
Yea. that's my main problem with star wars and their lore. Their logistics on manpower is always either too small or too large. Like I heard the new lore for the clone wars was that there were only ten million clone troopers which is just ridiculous.
Another pronouncer of Executor not as in 'Execute' a person but as in an executor of a will or other legal writ. I genuinely think that Executor as in Execute-r sounds so much more badass and intimidating.
+Darth MauI Is it though? I've never seen an canon example if how to pronounce it. if you have one please link it, I'll gladly change my opinion if there's actual proof.
And according to Rogue One, the first Death Star was designed to have the thermal exhaust port on purpose as a gigantic "Fuck you" to the Empire by its chief engineer, who witnessed his wife being killed by said Empire. The 2nd Death Star was simply unfinished.
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Bit of a tangent. The HMS Warrior was the real world equivalent of this, in relative terms, launched in the 1860's and twice the size of it's neareat rival. Worth checking out.
Hello. I just want to note that the original (pre 2000) specs of the Executor stated its length with 8000 Meters "only". Only the Eclpse Super Star Destroyer from "The Dark Empire" Storyline measured 17500 Meters and it was a unique vessel.
the destruction of the executor is loosely based on the destruction of the Bismarck during WW2. the Bismarck also was an incredible powerful and heavily armed battleship that brought down enemy battle ships and destroyers with ease. but it also got hit with a single torpedo at a crucial point from a single torpedo bomber that was outclassed at that time by almost every aircraft vehicle. same is shown in star wars with the executor
kinda the same. but the yamato was bombed by a whole fleet of submarines. the bismarck got shot by a single aircraft and wasn´t able to maneuver like the executor in RotJ
@@skowollon84 The problem is that while based on WWII ships, the Executor is still NOT a water based warship. It should've had two, four, six, twelve, twenty-four bridges, etc, ready to take backup control if the primary bridge was destroyed. There really isn't any excuse to justify this scene in the movie.
You know the old British and American documentaries on the different types of military vehicles, aircraft, ships, etc. they used to show on the History Channel, you are the Star Wars equivalent.
In the Star Trek universe, lasers are super primitive and can't even penetrate lightly shielded areas on starships, so I doubt even a super laser could touch many Star Trek ships.
I am seeing a lot of hate over the Executor's design, but I think I can defend it some. First, the ship was meant to be a cammand ship for a fleet, thus it's lack of defensive turbo lasers on the bottom would be covered by the other ships around it. It also had a massive compliment of tie fighters to protect it from fighters as well. And let's not forget that our hero's in the movie have the power of the force on their side, and that the force could have been the real driving force behind why the A-wing was able to take the Executor down. Anyway, just wanted to say that, carry on my fellow Jedi.
Lots of folks in this comment section who don't seem to understand that the Executor, in fact all of the weapon designs for the Empire, are intended to be visual metaphors for the Empire and what it stands for. Whether it's the Executor, AT-ATs, or the Death Star itself, they're all massive weapon system that dramatically and fundamentally flawed. The Executor has an exposed bridge, AT-ATs have huge bodies and spindly legs, and the Death Star has a convenient, exhaust port-shaped self-destruct button. Much like the Empire, and indeed all tyrannical regimes, they are flawed because they want to maintain the appearance of strength, but lack the capacity for true strength. It's almost like the original trilogy was trying to say something about the nature of authoritarian government...
The destruction was badly scripted. It's an exciting image to show it smashing into the death star, but the fact that tiny, insignificant fighters did ANY damage at all, let alone destroyed the bridge is illogical. If that were something that was possible to happen then you'd never have built these to begin with. He was going off the logic of WW2 sea battles, but very wrongly treating star destroyers like ocean going light cruisers- those were easily damaged by fighter machine guns and kamikazes. But these are more akin to WW2 battleships- impossible for fighters to damage except with heavy bombing. Even a kamikaze to the bridge would do nothing of consequence.
The destruction made me laugh out loud, then as I thought about it, I just got mad. The number of Storm Troopers is way to low for a ship that size, as is the crew count. The ship had an Admiral's Bridge, Main Bridge, Emergency Bridge and, if all else failed, could be controlled from Engineering. The ship was a long way from the Death Star and in no way would have hit it. it was George Lucas trying to be dramatic but coming across stupid instead. Hans Solo say's "there are a lot of command ships" so to me that means more then 4 or 5 of them. Lucas always wimped out with the scale of the Galaxy, it had to be much smaller then the Milky Way or Andromeda Galaxies. When I think GALACTIC EMPIRE I think of Warhammer 40k.
Drunkduck I don't think that's quite accurate - as far as I understand we stopped using battleships altogether precisely because fighter-bombing ships could destroy them relatively easily. Torpedoes defeated even the extremely thick hull of Battleships. This does not make sense in Star Wars however, since they've had tens of thousands of years of getting used to the realities of naval combat, while the big-ass battleships have been used in actual combat almost never and usually underperformed a great deal due to their weakness to torpedo bombing. Today we instead use long-ranged aircraft carriers and cruisers full of cruise missiles that are not supposed to ever be close enough to anything that can hit them, with the capability of shooting down any incoming missiles or fighters long before they get close, as opposed to trying to tank the hits using heavy armor. But if Star Wars people know that their ships are vulnerable to torpedoes and bombings from fighter craft, why do they not adopt a similar long-range and point-defense strategy as we have in real life?
Drunkduck The defense screens failed and the A Wing impacted the bridge and that's when the executor lost all attitudinal control and impacted the DS 2
This is one of the reasons that ST can't hold a candle to SW in spacebattle. The Enterprise is 600 meters long. SW ships just outnumber and outsize ST too much. The Federation only has access to a small portion of the material and personelle resources of just the Alpha Quadrant of the Milky Way. The Galactic Empire can bring force the personelle and materiel of 70% of the Galaxy. It's simple overhwelming force and numbers. Another thing is that the FTL speeds of Star Wars are far, far greater than ST. It would have taken Voyager 70 years to get back to the Alpha Quadrant when a SW ship would make the same trip in a matter of months.
I love the idea of stars wars but good god I simply can't understand how the writers could decide to make such incredibly stupid designs. Theres just no way an interstellar company nor any reasonably sane military would have command bridges with their most critical staff and equipment sticking out into space like a giant freaking bullseye. It would be buried in deep in the most protected part of the ship, and have at least one redundant command bridge and staff. There is no logical reason to have it designed like that considering actual line of sight means nothing in space. The entire line of empire ships follows so many idiotic design philosophies it boggles the mind. Completely ruins any sense of realism for me. Stupid shitty plot logic.
Yeah it's not the most sensible design. Though it should be said that the Empire felt nothing could realistically challenge them, everything was built for ceremony or intimidation, same reason all their troops wear bright white armor. The new First Order Resurgent Class Star Destroyer is expressly built to learn from the weaknesses of the Executor, it's bridge tower lowers down into the ship behind armor plating and it has a secondary command deck deeper into the ship.
Yeah I never liked how this ship was so easily destroyed. Two A-wings, anti-fighter craft, are able to destroy ONE of the shield generators. No AA fire, no fighter defense. And then another A-wing, something the size of a car, crashes into this monster, 19000 meters/~12 miles long, and destroys it. People on further parts of the ship probably didn't even feel the collision.
It's a classic design error that people think you have to actually see the battlefield. Even if you discount the darkness inherent in any space combat, the vast distances that would be common would make visual identifications all but impossible.
+BKofficer23 I guess it is like in the space battles in Deep Space 9 that show just the hits that finish the ships off. There have probably been hundreds of fighters been shot down just trying to get close to the ship.
The Dark Lord Willy Wonka I was making a suggestion for a ship to do. XD Although to be honest, he's probably already done it. This is my first time watching the channel, so I wouldn't really know.
I may be late on this but a simple redesign with back up shield generators and bridges along with removing the weird city scape and go with a more traditional super structure with the tower. And more AA weapons, then most of the flaws are removed or reduced, resulting in it becoming a pretty strong design.
A bit of trivia: Super Star Destroyer was actually meant to be 13.5km long: www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-mysteries-exacting-executor-measurements I find it interesting how Legends inflated just about everything it could: sizes, power capabilities, firepower, etc... Compensating for something, are we? ;]
The usual speculation among fans was 17.6km, back when the obviously-wrong 8km was still "official". I'm not sure who decided on 19km, but at least they stopped pretending the Executor was way too small to fit with the scenes from (especially) ESB.
Curtis Saxton decided on the 19km figure analizing shots .. but im pretty sure ILM techs didnt had precision in size when composing fleet shots in bluescreen of filmed models.. im sure there is big size discrepances in diferent shots. the ILM model was not scaled officially but as Jan Strzelecki said recently someone at Lucasfilms investigated and found there was a little brass ISD wich was built in the same scale as the Executor for far away fleet shots.. he measured the little model and got its scale against the 1600m figute and got an Executor size of 13500m wich fits very nice with most theories and shots. This is like the DeathStar II size.. Saxton said it was 900km .. but the LF material said 160km ..with the first one being 120km.. Saxton got the 900km analzing 2 particular shots from ROTJ.. the briefing and the shot of the DSII from the Falcon as the later exits hyperspace.. but that has many errors.. first is comparing Endor directly with Earth.. second.. for those 2 shots there is like 20 shots that show the DSII being MUCH MUCH smaller compared to Endor .. those shots where it looked bigger were just compositions that looked good to the ILM tech and Lucas ...neither of them were bothered with accurate scaling ..just wanted a shot that looked good.. And as i said imany times if the DSII is 900km then the DS1 must be scaled up to about 600km ... 120 vs 900 is >400 times mass
So what good would focusing fire on the executor do? realistically, it would literally take days of turbolaser fire to whittle down a ship that size. To tell the truth, I never understood that scene, even small subs in the 2nd WW had emergency control stations, a SSD should literally have dozens of secondary bridges to take up the loss.
All the Star Wars nerds will try to justify it in some way but yeah, the only way you really can is to admit that it was a narrative choice by Lucas because he wanted to see it slam into DS 2. It's not like if a plane crashed into the bridge of an aircraft carrier that the whole ship would sink...
I'm a little confused at what direction the gravity pulls. Because that thing has quite a lot of mass, but it seems to go from West to East if the trench passes through both polls.
The only thing i love about imperial warships were their general shape. Elegant yet menacing at the same time. Everything else? Nopes. Bridge right on top, minimal to no staggered guns, blind spots, no point defense to harrass opportunistic starfighters, n y is this executor designed so thin? Im sure most of the viewers of this channel also view other channels about sw ships like eckhart ladder etc etc. Note: the best logically sound n technically sound design of imperial warships were honestly by fans, my personal favourite being the excellent assertor class star dreadnought.
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Surprised that you didn't mention that the Lusankya was hidden under the Imperial Palace on Coruscant to serve as the Emperor's emergency evacuation ship in case the planet fell. Personally, i think that having a 19KM long dreadnought serving the role of "Escape Pod" is the most Palpatine thing i can think of.
bro fr it makes no sense
how to you hide an ssd
Really ? a 19km long escape pod ?
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@@brentonsisemore1122 I think the only theory out there is that palps hypnotised the witnesses or smth to make them forget
¿Legends?
I love how super star destroyer looks like it's a city with a spaceship built around it
Decades ago I read somewhere that it was based on the New York skyline. Don't know if it's true, but it would make sense.👍
The Lusankya was buried beneath Coruscant, as an extreme escape method for Palpatine. It also scored him points in some historical Sith pissing contest, since merely by launching, untold millions would die - and eventually, did.
I love this guys voice, makes me feel like i am being briefed by an imperial officer.
The Terror had optic camo
*Like you do with a 19km long ship*
Imagine a whole fleet just bumping into it unknowingly.
Halo and it’s cloaked 30km super carrier be like
@@mikd157 The SC in halo had a special set of spires cloaking it from the planet's surface if I recall correctly. Destroying the spires decloaked it, which is when it finally opened fire.
@@shuttlecrossing1433 that still doesn’t stop it from literally blocking out the sun for 30km of a patch on the planet
@@mikd157 well apparently in active camouflage logic it does lol
You forgot to mention the 5 indoor heated pools, gym and restaurant
Q Graham isn't that all on the death star well when you think about it somthing the size of new York probably has all of that stuff
Q Graham There was a shopping plaza on Deck 39
It also had a mall, a three-ring circus, and a zoo. Wait, that was Spaceball-1.
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Alright that’s it. Bye bye rebels I’m joining the empire.
This is a seriously beautiful starship. Its lines are just perfection.
Especialy compared to the eclipse, that thing wont move its engines are too little and weak, its just impractical
The Executor looks like a gigantic flying mouse cursor...
Abner _Mako You just ruined it
It does
I think Vader would be mortally offended by a such a comparison. Mortal to you that is 😂😂
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Shame that Piett had to eat it onboard the Executor. Of all the COs depicted in the movies and books, I always found him to be among the most sensible and level-headed. Instead of being blinded by ambition like all the other blue-blooded morons found in the Empire's employ.
... I said blue-BLOOD, not blue-SKIN, Grand Admiral.
You may proceed, but I ask you to remember your place captain
Why Vader honestly respected him.
Piett was competent, but hardly exceptional. I wouldn't even put him in the top twenty of Imperial naval officers once you take the Expanded Universe into account.
Teshik, Grunger, Tigellinus, Takel, Zaarin, Pitta, Grant, Kaine, Zsinj, Thrawn, Pellaeon, Rogriss, Delvardus, Harrsk, the Teradoc brothers, Syn, Declann, Kiez, even Makati all were more gifted than Piett.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 those characters used the template of Piett though
@@rickdeckard1075 no, all of them had their own personalities and uniqueness that didn't have any connection to Piett
There were several factors that lead to the destruction of the Executor. First off, it had extremely powerful shielding. Only after the entire rebel fleet focused its fire on it, the shields went down, and the A-wing was able to kamikazi. Another was that it's engines were damaged. In the movie and Battlefront 2, you can see as it's crashing, that there's smoke coming from it's engines. The final one was where it was positioned. Generally, there are several backup bridges on an Executor, but Piett parked it too close to the Death Star. It was caught in the death stars gravity, and was pulled towards it and crashed before control could be put to the emergency bridge.
"the death stars gravity"? Sure the Death Star was the size of a small moon, but it was hollow. And whilst it may have been very big and thus very heavy, it could never have been so heavy as to have gravity strong enough to cause a ship the size of the Executor to ram it within seconds after the engines stalling. That would take a black hole of massive proportions for such force of gravity. I think it was George Lucas' gravity that caused the ram, not the Death Stars.
@@MarijnRoorda Let's pretend they had powerful fake gravity on the Death Star to simulate being on a Earth size planet and that's what attracted Executor or whatever. It's all fiction anyway.
@@MarijnRoorda it would have been an artificial gravity well, not regular gravity from the size/density of the death star. There's a reason people were able to walk around in the first death star instead of floating everywhere.
@@apassionatenerd.3564 Let's not go anywhere near opening up the can of worms of gravity in fantasy space films, series and novels. There is but one TV series that has done this well, and that's The Expanse. Every other fantasy and scify series, movie and book just assumes there is some kind of system for it that fixes what issues we could have. There is some minor explanation in Star Trek, and that's it. Star Wars is no different, it's assumed that everybody is a hyperspace theory expert and thus it doesn't get explained. Thank god we we're told of the existence of Midichlorians so obviously, The Force is a real thing...
@@MarijnRoorda not sure about physics but lorewise thr death star definitely had a gravity factor. Star wars rebellion covered it well
"Capable of engaging entire hostile battlegroups" => gets destroyed by 1 A-Wing.
... after the entire rebel fleet was focusing fire on it for long before.
Alterius Zhang To be fair, you try piloting a several kilometer long warship that just had it's main bridge kamikazed
I never got why it fell on to the Death Star after its bridge got decapitated. It wasn't an atmospheric craft that lost its thrust and lift. Inertia should've kept it on its original heading.
dalvant 'Focusing fire from the entire fleet'. Aka a dozen of so, much smaller lightly armed corvettes and fregates fireing at it for 3-5 minutes. Yea that should bring a 19.000 meter long, heavy armoured ship down.
@ Jeebus: to be fair Ackbar did order the fleet to concentrate all their fire on the SSD. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was expensive as hell to do those effects back in the day, and they had a finite amount of time to dedicate to the space battle along with everything else going on. I think it's a safe bet that the fleet followed his instructions and more than just a couple ships and fighters were tasked to shoot up the Executor.
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Good Job man;) but I have to correct you: multiple SSD's had cloaking tecnology including the knighthammer you mentioned at the end. Anyway keep it up man I really like your series.
The Knight Hammer had sensor reflective stealth paneling, only the Terror had a full-on Stygian Crystal Cloaking Device
Ah ok then. But still it's worth mentioning I think since there were more ships somewhat concealed. I think there were even nearly as much concealed SSD's as regular ones.
have you ever thought about writing a novel?
Because you shouldn't
So rad, this was always one of my favorite ships from SW.
It's Darth Vader's way of compensating after his Little Annie got chopped off by Obi Wan Kenobi and burned to crisp by the lava.
Given Vaders other accomplishments, I don't think he needs to compensate for anything.
It was actually a gift by Palpatine. Although, I'm sure Vader enjoyed it in some capacity. I can't remember if Vader asked for something like this, yet I do know Palpatine gifted it for his accomplishments.
Star Wars space battles are so frustrating. The 'villains' are so inconsistent only ever having the power they have on paper when it suits the plot and being a giant flying china plate when it fits. I would not be surprised for a rebel alliance corvette to destroy a fleet of super star destroyers using deus ex machina star wars logic.
In the books SSDs were a ;lot harder to kill than Executor was(the fact it was in the Death Star's gravity well helped that one). Lusankya took several hundred torpedoes and missiles from Rogue Squadron and a collection of freighters, plus fire from several capital ships and they only blew the bow off and disabled the engines, and only was destroyed years later when it rammed a Yuzhan Vong Worldship.
Super Class are almost impossible to take down. But the Imperial Star Destroyers were sitting ducks, If two squadrons of Xwings or Awings came at them they would quickly turn tail and run for their lives. ROFL
Wayne Keirl Not so sure about A-Wings, B-Wings on the other hand.
that actually is not unrealistic as those kind of vessels can be invincible in the right circumstances but extremely vulnerable in others.
let me tell you. it's plot armor. how come a dreadnought class destroyed just because their command bridge got rammed by A wing class? don't they have any second command bridge somewhere like space battleship Yamato?
By the time of the Yuuzhan Vong War, only 2 remained, Lusankya and Guardian, and of those two, just the Guardian survived the war. Lusankya was heavily damaged during the Battle of Borleias, and rather than repair the ship, the New Republic had it partially refitted to have an enormous 'stinger' of sorts constructed in its' central freight corridor, AKA the 'Beltway'. It was used to ram a Yuuzhan Vong Worldship, destroying them both.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Was Dominion an SSD or just a larger than normal ISD?
@@chrissonofpear1384 I stand corrected. An SSD is shown but not named in Destiny's Way in the Empire. They definitely had one, they might have had two, although the ass kicking they took at Bastion means it may have been destroyed, or said ship was the Dominion all along
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That’s the Death Star! You are not fooling me. I owned that book.
the immensely complex engineering challenges of this is just mind boggling. Fx having loads of expansion sections in the haul so it can expand and contract at different rates different places in the haul and still keep a complete tight seal. Hard yet theoretically possible. But that it is taken down by one tiny ship is just unbelievable. At least it looked good :)
Due to the loss of the main bridge, and the delay before a secondary bridge could take over it was pulled into the deathstar by it's gravity well.
@@beast0382 Yup. If it hadn't been in Orbit of a small moon, it would have been just fine.
30 or so seconds after the A-Wing crash and the ships secondary Bridge would finish assuming full control and any loss of combat efficiency would disappear...
The best way to take one of these monsters out is with large coordinated swarms of Proton Torpedoes such as what Wedge used in the novel The Bacta War to stop Lusankya and even then, he didn't kill the entire ship, just damaged it enough to cause it's Idiot Commanding Officer to lose his mind forcing the other Bridge Crew to Mutiny and shoot him in order to keep him from committing Suicide and taking the rest of the quarter-million crew with him and even then, that only worked because the command crew was green/over-confident and/or not properly trained for the tactics that ship used...
Executor was Vader's Personal Command Ship and thus had the single best trained and experienced Crew possibly second only to the Crew of Grand-Admiral Thrawn...it would take a huge Fleet with thousands if not tens of thousands of Proton Torpedoes to kill it if not for the circumstances of one crashing A-Wing while orbiting a moon...
Plus its engines were hit, if you look closely its burning
If you have a executor class, stay away from gravity wells
Flawless content and elocution, my good man. I look forward to seeing more of your work.
five years and still no recognition. tsk tsk. let me give you a boost.
Explain to me how the executor went down by a single suicidal fighter- that shit was massive
i know like i am sure the bridge had other spot that controls the ship below of where it got hit. only thing i can assume since the it hit where the ship was controlled at got hit it had no pilots anymore i assume if so it would pretty much been station where it was set at and stay there wont move but still be intact.
as i seen seems when ever a space ship gets hit where navigation at the ship no longer flyable it will go down no matter the size if navigation goes down the ship is pretty much doomed.
Awesomewolfpic it's really sad :( I would think that they have measures for dealing with this problem if it happens or even stronger shields on the bridge
Imagine someone going suicidal on the death star bridge, all those men and all that investment would be lost, assuming it collapses with a planet
death star bridge seems kinda hidden and maybe does have more bridges then the star destroyers would think they add more bridges of controls then just one for something that big. but yea if bridge on death star goes and hits planet it would kill more then star destroyer crashing but i assume rebels wouldn't do that for it if close to planet that has life on it but knowing the rebels they would probably choose to do it if it the last thing they can do to stop it from destroying other planets.
Because the guy steering slumped over onto the controls as he died, a-la the airplane in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Lucas Films continuity, y0!
That fighter hit the bridge, which controls the entire ship. Executor class ships did not have a back-up control bridge. When the Executor lost all of its controls, the Death Star II's gravity well pulled it to its doom.
It seems the empire had some sort of Titanic syndrome. Their weapons had glaring weaknesses, but they still thought them invincible. It would hard not to find the Executor indestructible considering all the cannons and defensive armaments.
Gear N Beer Indeed ...
Many aquantances of mine range from retired Chief Engineers, to Marine Architects, to steam plant engineers ... the general consensus among them is two fold; the Titanic had an inherent design flaw in that each bulkhead did not reach the top deck ... in fact, they only reached a few decks down from there ... that meant as soon as one bulkhead was full of water, the overspill would start flooding the next, and so forth until her back was broken by most of her being submerged at the forward Grand Staircase, one of the two most weakest areas, structurally speaking, of the ship, causing what was sticking out of the water to essentially 'snap off' ...
The other was instead of the Captain ordering a hard manover to port, he should have ordered full steam ... ahead ... Yes, that would have been extremely counterintuitive for the time, but given a thorough analysis by my both ex-Chief Engineers and Marine Architect friends, the force of impact would have damaged the prow, but not excessivly so, and may well have allowed her to stay afloat for much longer, allowing a more successful rescue attempt, resulting in a much fewer loss of life ... it was the long gash along her starboard side which was her undoing ...
As for the Executor 'going down', there is a real life comparison ... Japan Airlines Flight 123 ... she was an early version of the 747 (200 series, iirc ...); all major hydralic lines were routed through the rear pressure bulkhead, and up into the tailfin, with no cutoff valves in case of a critical malfunction ...
Due to a series of an accident, various errors, and, ultimately, human stupidity, the bulkhead gave way, causing explosive decompression, ripping the entire tailfin, with stabilizers, off; a secondary effect was most, if not all, hydralic power was immediately lost, as the fluid drained away, and also causing the plane to enter into a rollercoaster phugoid up and down flight; but, despite having no ability to control their heading, the incredibly brave flight crew kept the crippled aircraft aloft for a full 28+ minutes, a feat which even the most experienced of JAL pilots could not do in simulations, until she eventually crashed... that only four passengers survived is a whole other kettle of fish ...
In short, my point is this ... just because a engineer thinks a design is full-proof, doesn't mean it is ... a small design flaw (not having full height bulkheads; not having shut-off valves at critical junctures; and sheer oversight, as in a improperly repaired bulkhead, or, as in the Hyatt Regency hotel disaster of 1981, passing off a design change, clearly not fit for purpose ...) meant that, once all the bridge controls were knocked out by that single A-Wing blowing it up, and, not having a secondary bridge, all control of the entire vessel having been lost, she was doomed from that second ...
Arrogance and stupidity ...
but not to about 20 MC80 cruisers, flanked by dozens of corvettes and other ships. the A-wing was, to use common metaphor, the straw that broke the camels back.
People who decided it was a good idea to build battleships during the leadup to WWII (both sides) had the exact same problem.
Damn straight
Great video dude. I remember seeing the Executor for the first time when I saw Empire Strikes Back in the theater and just remember being blown away by it's awesome scale compared to the already massive Imperial I class Star Destroyers.
I recognize that this is an older video, but I always appreciated your use of the Star Trek: Legacy and Star Trek: Bridge Commander OSTs. They’re excellent compositions and very venue-neutral.
19,000 meters? That's more than triple the length of the UNSC Infinity!
is it bigger than the covenant super carrier
No, the Covenant Super Carrier is 27,000 meters long.
+Incredible Canemian Imagen a whole fleet with both these warship
Yeah, it would be incomprehensibly huge, but also extremely expensive. It would take several huge planet that are extremely rich with resources to make such a gigantic fleet.
talk about overkill
In other words, it is not a good idea to have the bridge sticking out of the top.
Star trek should learn that also.
The First Order would go on to fix this in the Resurgent Class... and then Palpatine would un-fix this for his Sith Star Destroyers.
Tbh I would still have the bridge sticking out but I would have like 5 or 6 secondary bridges inside the ship and have the shields on.
Super Star Destroyers are awesome. Great job as always.
"It has 2000 BIG GUNS, _supplemented by_ 2000 EVEN BIGGER GUNS."
One thing I love about the starwars franchise is that it truly captures the scale of ships and surrounding ships and planets
Just found this channel, and as a huge Star Wars fan, I like how the information presented is expressed clearly. I would have liked you to talk a little bit more about the Lusankya, as it was used as a prison for rebel commanders and a brainwashing station during Ysanne Isard's leadership. Plus, the damn thing was embedded into Coruscant under the city.
Really love the Knights of the Old Republic soundtrack backing the video. Brings back a lot of feels!
The Eclipse Star Dreadnaught
Yes please do I would love to see it on here.
Eclipse super star dreadnought.
THEGOLDENONE productions Yes do you know what Ship that is and yes please do a video on it SpaceDock.
Yes its black big and it has a super weapon that can destroy a Continent and break planetary shields.
THEGOLDENONE productions Good and yes I love that ship.
"There is perhaps no greater symbol of the Empire's dominance,
no greater argument for the futility of defiance,
than the colossal flagship of its mighty fleet,
the Tarkin doctrine epitomized,
the Executor Class Super Star Destroyer"
I got chills
how many Cooks - Chefs this vessel contains ?!
ok :) so they eat dogfood :) .. ahaha NOT a FUN TRIP ..
Assuming this vessel was intended for any kind of lengthy deployment away from a base (a valid assumption) it would contain not only cooks, but mechanics, laundry personnel, even a ship's store. Consider that a modern supercarrier (far smaller in scale, but intended for the same purpose, namely naval power projection) is functionally a small town. You cannot send thousands (much less hundreds of thousands) of men out for months at a time and expect them to eat the equivalent of MRE's all day every day and not have them mutiny against you. Doesn't happen.
Modern navy ships have very good cooks and quite decent chow aboard them. They also have to have places to do laundry and places to relax and have a friendly game of cards (gambling being forbidden, of course) or read or something. Military service is stressful, far more so than any other profession. Good food and a place to blow off steam occasionally, keeps that stress from becoming overwhelming to the point it causes people to break. Having someone go off the deep end on board a steel (or other metal) can in space, no matter how big, is a bad thing.
Having grilled chicken and green beans for dinner a couple of times a week may not seem like a big deal to you or me, but to the guy onboard that steel can in space, it could be a huge deal. Give him the green beans, make sure he can do his laundry, and if you happen to come across a "friendly" card game that has some "items of no particular value" on the table "purely for the purposes of inspection", shake your head and move along (assuming everyone involved is offduty and they aren't fist fighting each other or causing discipline issues).
indeed, that's why the Hollywood ships are so unworkable.....but they are built for just a few minutes of screen time and need cool factor
About 2,500 mess personnel. Many of them are stationed in the officer's and dignitaries sections. Ordinary Navy Crewers and Stormtroopers dine at automat-like mess halls. There are some really good food courts and cantinas in the dorsal city-sprawl, and some illegal nerf herds in the engineering and deep storage sections supplying the black market aboard ship.
+Vishnu79
thirty six thousand men are on board and need to be fed regularly. to feed that many people fresh meals, you'd need to be sowing crops and rearing animals for fuck's sake. they'd use rations for the storm troopers, who were generally treated like dogshit and had to deal with it "or else".
According to one Star Wars book I read, the Executor concept was based around the idea of placing the resources and capabilities of a large sector command station into a mobile frame and increasing its firepower. This would allow Imperial Moffs and Military Sector Governors to restage their base of operations to points nearer to where resources or demonstrations of power were needed.
2.0 hyper drive I'm surprised it can go that fast
It better be able to. I'm not slogging around the Galaxy in a giant, very evidently in the open super star destroyer. Well, not like the Rebels could do anything normally. But, my point is still that I don't want to have to wait a few more days to get somewhere in a super star destroyer, just to find myself missing the battle due to my slowness.
one of the best scenes in film 5?? was the star destroyer being over shadowed by the super star destroyer in my opinion. what a way to give some idea of scale. Awesome!
Executor destroyer, the biggest starship the empire ever made.... Destroyed by a single A-Wing fighter which flew in command brigde, gg engineers XD
Radolini Yes Lmao
that's the Tarkin Doctrine for you.
It's mainly because the gravity of the death star 2 pulled it down when the ship was momentarily destabilized
Actually the biggest was the Eclipse which was even larger, but I get your point
Yep, which is why Star Wars battles suck.
This is my favourite ship from Star Wars, great video!
I know Thrawn hated the Tarkin doctrine, but could you imagine him commanding an executor?
Great Video!
The greatest dreadnought in all of Science Fiction.
Nah it's definitely not . The supremacy and the eclipse >>>>
Holy crap someone actually got the executer death story right!
You have earned this sub, good sir
0:24 forgot to add, "Also died to an A wing"
It's at 4:40
They way you like talk in these videos is perfect
"Planetary invasion"...but, like, how do you invade an entire planet with 38,000 troops? Planets have billions of people yo.
Glass the planetary defense with Cannon bombardment? they can have billion people but not all of them are enlisted to the army, and with the lack of equipment, good luck surviving that.
Sorry, but as we've seen countless times both in reality and within the Star Wars universe, a small but determined insurgency can be more than a match for the most well equipped and heavily armed superpowers. 38,000 troops is not enough to hold a city much less a whole planet. The US couldn't hold Iraq with 150,000 troops, and the Soviets couldn't hold Afghanistan with 300,000 troops. And the Galactic Empire's most powerful weapons couldn't defend themselves against the Rebel Alliance. We're supposed to believe that they're invading a planet with 38,000 troops? Nope. That's a support force at best.
on the other hand the empire would not care to wipe out a planet or two just to show everybody else that they are still in charge while the USA would not dare to just nuke afghanistan... and that makes a mayor difference for combat moral or insurgency uprisings.
TheAderwolf Hmm... that's actually a fair point. Under the threat of total planetary annihilation, there's a good chance people would just submit.
Yea. that's my main problem with star wars and their lore. Their logistics on manpower is always either too small or too large. Like I heard the new lore for the clone wars was that there were only ten million clone troopers which is just ridiculous.
The mark of a truly great executor SSD captain is the ability to turn the craft 10 degrees with fewer than 200 casualties from centrifugal force.
Another pronouncer of Executor not as in 'Execute' a person but as in an executor of a will or other legal writ. I genuinely think that Executor as in Execute-r sounds so much more badass and intimidating.
But it's wrong though
+Darth MauI Is it though? I've never seen an canon example if how to pronounce it. if you have one please link it, I'll gladly change my opinion if there's actual proof.
ruclips.net/video/Cjd0udFGtx0/видео.html (0:04)
Mmmmm, dat feel of not being wrong
+Darth MauI Fair enough, not afraid to admit my errors. Still think that 'Execute-or' sounds far more badass though.
I love the Kotor music in the background! :)
do the sovereign please
Oh Hell yes please do that too.
The fact that this video opens up with a Kotor 2 soundtrack is awesome. Thumbs up.
why do bad guys' super weapon/army always suffer one hit ko weaknesses?
And according to Rogue One, the first Death Star was designed to have the thermal exhaust port on purpose as a gigantic "Fuck you" to the Empire by its chief engineer, who witnessed his wife being killed by said Empire.
The 2nd Death Star was simply unfinished.
Because otherwise there would be no story.
Because Deus ex machina plot device.
Because superweapons tend to be impractical.
Battlezone music omg the nostalgia.
What? No mention of the Iron Fist and Razors Kiss? :P
The Razor's Kiss doesn't deserve a mention because it was no match for Lt. Kettch!
Yub yub!
They are doing it to me again, Wes!
Yubb, Yubb Commander!Still my favourite offshoot series, Rogue and Wrath Squarons. I still think it would become an immensely awesome standalone series or series of movies. I just want to see Vorrt SaBinring. Piggy would be awesome!!!!!!!
Yub yub commander haha wish that stuff was still canon...
Bit of a tangent.
The HMS Warrior was the real world equivalent of this, in relative terms, launched in the 1860's and twice the size of it's neareat rival.
Worth checking out.
[ ] 10 times larger
[X] "Larger by a factor of 10"
Nice touch showing one of the shield generators exploding in the diagram, since that is the first thing to go when the shooting starts lol.
What is the story behind that picture of the two Super Star Destroyers attacking each other?
avoidconfusion I think its the captured Rebel Lusankya fighting another SSD (forgot the name)
Blunt .Cabbage the reaper
The executors engines were also disabled by Cannon fire when it's shields were destroyed
"even after the emperors death"
Disney - "lol"
Dark Empire: You rang
Hello. I just want to note that the original (pre 2000) specs of the Executor stated its length with 8000 Meters "only". Only the Eclpse Super Star Destroyer from "The Dark Empire" Storyline measured 17500 Meters and it was a unique vessel.
the destruction of the executor is loosely based on the destruction of the Bismarck during WW2.
the Bismarck also was an incredible powerful and heavily armed battleship that brought down enemy battle ships and destroyers with ease. but it also got hit with a single torpedo at a crucial point from a single torpedo bomber that was outclassed at that time by almost every aircraft vehicle.
same is shown in star wars with the executor
kinda the same. but the yamato was bombed by a whole fleet of submarines. the bismarck got shot by a single aircraft and wasn´t able to maneuver like the executor in RotJ
@@skowollon84
The problem is that while based on WWII ships, the Executor is still NOT a water based warship. It should've had two, four, six, twelve, twenty-four bridges, etc, ready to take backup control if the primary bridge was destroyed. There really isn't any excuse to justify this scene in the movie.
Bismarck was more of a glass cannon (fast and well-armed but with bad armour design) compared to Executer or most WWII battleships, BTW.
You know the old British and American documentaries on the different types of military vehicles, aircraft, ships, etc. they used to show on the History Channel, you are the Star Wars equivalent.
Sovereign class please, Star Trek ships are ridiculously powerful.
Oh yeah i-Oh you mean the Star Trek one not the Sovereign Class Super Star Destroyer.
Star trek technology is far beyond anything Star Wars has. The Enterprise E could probably solo the entire Imperial fleet.
Stormtrooper # 1138 One Problem Sovereign Class Super Star Destroyer has a Super Laser that can one Shot ship and More so yeah think about it.
In the Star Trek universe, lasers are super primitive and can't even penetrate lightly shielded areas on starships, so I doubt even a super laser could touch many Star Trek ships.
Stormtrooper # 1138 when you put it that way but The Sovereign SSD is still cool in my Eye.
Thanks for posting!
Who would win - one giant Executor-Class star destroyer
Or
One A-wing boi
Well worth a Sub just for this video alone!! Look forward to seeing your others..!!
Could you make a video about the Munificent-class star frigate from Star Wars
He's never going to make that video, please go away.
I am seeing a lot of hate over the Executor's design, but I think I can defend it some. First, the ship was meant to be a cammand ship for a fleet, thus it's lack of defensive turbo lasers on the bottom would be covered by the other ships around it. It also had a massive compliment of tie fighters to protect it from fighters as well. And let's not forget that our hero's in the movie have the power of the force on their side, and that the force could have been the real driving force behind why the A-wing was able to take the Executor down. Anyway, just wanted to say that, carry on my fellow Jedi.
Lots of folks in this comment section who don't seem to understand that the Executor, in fact all of the weapon designs for the Empire, are intended to be visual metaphors for the Empire and what it stands for. Whether it's the Executor, AT-ATs, or the Death Star itself, they're all massive weapon system that dramatically and fundamentally flawed. The Executor has an exposed bridge, AT-ATs have huge bodies and spindly legs, and the Death Star has a convenient, exhaust port-shaped self-destruct button.
Much like the Empire, and indeed all tyrannical regimes, they are flawed because they want to maintain the appearance of strength, but lack the capacity for true strength. It's almost like the original trilogy was trying to say something about the nature of authoritarian government...
Excellent job, really enjoy how thorough you are. Keep it up... subbed and liked!
I gotta say... the Executor Class SSD has always been my favorite scifi spacecraft by a wide margin. Nothing else comes close.
Holy Shit, Almost 12 Miles Long!?!?! I Can’t even Run that Far without Passing Out!
The destruction was badly scripted. It's an exciting image to show it smashing into the death star, but the fact that tiny, insignificant fighters did ANY damage at all, let alone destroyed the bridge is illogical. If that were something that was possible to happen then you'd never have built these to begin with.
He was going off the logic of WW2 sea battles, but very wrongly treating star destroyers like ocean going light cruisers- those were easily damaged by fighter machine guns and kamikazes.
But these are more akin to WW2 battleships- impossible for fighters to damage except with heavy bombing. Even a kamikaze to the bridge would do nothing of consequence.
The destruction made me laugh out loud, then as I thought about it, I just got mad. The number of Storm Troopers is way to low for a ship that size, as is the crew count. The ship had an Admiral's Bridge, Main Bridge, Emergency Bridge and, if all else failed, could be controlled from Engineering. The ship was a long way from the Death Star and in no way would have hit it. it was George Lucas trying to be dramatic but coming across stupid instead.
Hans Solo say's "there are a lot of command ships" so to me that means more then 4 or 5 of them.
Lucas always wimped out with the scale of the Galaxy, it had to be much smaller then the Milky Way or Andromeda Galaxies. When I think GALACTIC EMPIRE I think of Warhammer 40k.
now that is a GALACTIC warfare. warhammer 40k
there's millions of flaws in george lucas' work. Ewoks anyone?
Drunkduck
I don't think that's quite accurate - as far as I understand we stopped using battleships altogether precisely because fighter-bombing ships could destroy them relatively easily. Torpedoes defeated even the extremely thick hull of Battleships. This does not make sense in Star Wars however, since they've had tens of thousands of years of getting used to the realities of naval combat, while the big-ass battleships have been used in actual combat almost never and usually underperformed a great deal due to their weakness to torpedo bombing.
Today we instead use long-ranged aircraft carriers and cruisers full of cruise missiles that are not supposed to ever be close enough to anything that can hit them, with the capability of shooting down any incoming missiles or fighters long before they get close, as opposed to trying to tank the hits using heavy armor.
But if Star Wars people know that their ships are vulnerable to torpedoes and bombings from fighter craft, why do they not adopt a similar long-range and point-defense strategy as we have in real life?
Drunkduck The defense screens failed and the A Wing impacted the bridge and that's when the executor lost all attitudinal control and impacted the DS 2
LOVE THE ST:BC INTRO!!!
i heard they had ever bigger ships then the super star destroyer :o
Yes, the Eclipse-class, tho I believe that there were only 2.
Armin Reindl False:
Executor class: 19km in length
Eclipse class: 17km "
Luxy it's bigger in volume
Awesomewolfpic snokes new mega star destroyer
Awesomewolfpic the biggest ship was koros-Strohna they have length and width 100KM bigher than snoke ship, 5x bigger than executer
Have two of these together in your fleet in the "SW Rebellion" game, and that fleet is untouchable!
This is one of the reasons that ST can't hold a candle to SW in spacebattle. The Enterprise is 600 meters long. SW ships just outnumber and outsize ST too much. The Federation only has access to a small portion of the material and personelle resources of just the Alpha Quadrant of the Milky Way. The Galactic Empire can bring force the personelle and materiel of 70% of the Galaxy. It's simple overhwelming force and numbers. Another thing is that the FTL speeds of Star Wars are far, far greater than ST. It would have taken Voyager 70 years to get back to the Alpha Quadrant when a SW ship would make the same trip in a matter of months.
Thanks for the vid sir.👍🏼👍🏼
I love the idea of stars wars but good god I simply can't understand how the writers could decide to make such incredibly stupid designs. Theres just no way an interstellar company nor any reasonably sane military would have command bridges with their most critical staff and equipment sticking out into space like a giant freaking bullseye. It would be buried in deep in the most protected part of the ship, and have at least one redundant command bridge and staff. There is no logical reason to have it designed like that considering actual line of sight means nothing in space. The entire line of empire ships follows so many idiotic design philosophies it boggles the mind. Completely ruins any sense of realism for me. Stupid shitty plot logic.
Yeah it's not the most sensible design. Though it should be said that the Empire felt nothing could realistically challenge them, everything was built for ceremony or intimidation, same reason all their troops wear bright white armor. The new First Order Resurgent Class Star Destroyer is expressly built to learn from the weaknesses of the Executor, it's bridge tower lowers down into the ship behind armor plating and it has a secondary command deck deeper into the ship.
I totally agree with you Lorenzo
Yeah I never liked how this ship was so easily destroyed. Two A-wings, anti-fighter craft, are able to destroy ONE of the shield generators. No AA fire, no fighter defense.
And then another A-wing, something the size of a car, crashes into this monster, 19000 meters/~12 miles long, and destroys it. People on further parts of the ship probably didn't even feel the collision.
It's a classic design error that people think you have to actually see the battlefield. Even if you discount the darkness inherent in any space combat, the vast distances that would be common would make visual identifications all but impossible.
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I guess it is like in the space battles in Deep Space 9 that show just the hits that finish the ships off. There have probably been hundreds of fighters been shot down just trying to get close to the ship.
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UNSC Infinty?
zakiducky The Infinity is smaller, but the Long Night of Solace is around 27000m.
The Dark Lord Willy Wonka I was making a suggestion for a ship to do. XD Although to be honest, he's probably already done it. This is my first time watching the channel, so I wouldn't really know.
***** Oh alright.
I may be late on this but a simple redesign with back up shield generators and bridges along with removing the weird city scape and go with a more traditional super structure with the tower. And more AA weapons, then most of the flaws are removed or reduced, resulting in it becoming a pretty strong design.
Lol the destruction of the Executor at Endor was so anti-climatic
Correction, there were 2 SSD made with cloaking devices, but one was destroyed in construction at fondor shipyards by Rouge squadron
A bit of trivia: Super Star Destroyer was actually meant to be 13.5km long:
www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-mysteries-exacting-executor-measurements
I find it interesting how Legends inflated just about everything it could: sizes, power capabilities, firepower, etc... Compensating for something, are we? ;]
The usual speculation among fans was 17.6km, back when the obviously-wrong 8km was still "official". I'm not sure who decided on 19km, but at least they stopped pretending the Executor was way too small to fit with the scenes from (especially) ESB.
Curtis Saxton decided on the 19km figure analizing shots .. but im pretty sure ILM techs didnt had precision in size when composing fleet shots in bluescreen of filmed models.. im sure there is big size discrepances in diferent shots.
the ILM model was not scaled officially but as Jan Strzelecki said recently someone at Lucasfilms investigated and found there was a little brass ISD wich was built in the same scale as the Executor for far away fleet shots.. he measured the little model and got its scale against the 1600m figute and got an Executor size of 13500m wich fits very nice with most theories and shots.
This is like the DeathStar II size.. Saxton said it was 900km .. but the LF material said 160km ..with the first one being 120km..
Saxton got the 900km analzing 2 particular shots from ROTJ.. the briefing and the shot of the DSII from the Falcon as the later exits hyperspace.. but that has many errors.. first is comparing Endor directly with Earth.. second.. for those 2 shots there is like 20 shots that show the DSII being MUCH MUCH smaller compared to Endor .. those shots where it looked bigger were just compositions that looked good to the ILM tech and Lucas ...neither of them were bothered with accurate scaling ..just wanted a shot that looked good..
And as i said imany times if the DSII is 900km then the DS1 must be scaled up to about 600km ... 120 vs 900 is >400 times mass
Not legends.. Curtis Saxton did.. then somehow Lucasfilms adopted his size until now..
For me its clearly 13500m
sparrowJLT Yeah, pretty much - Dr. Saxton seemed to be obsessed with making Star Wars as big and as powerful as possible.
Im impressed by Your knowlege of SW universe. Im just main movies fan and never go so deep... have to change this. Thanks :)
Thumbs up for "egg-ZEC-ya-tor"
Thumbs down for "EX-eh-cue-tor"
Need an Imperial Class Star Destroyer video in my life.
Why were they so feared if it only takes one Kamikaze to destroy them?
If you listen to the movie you hear Akbar mention for the fleet to focus fire the Executor.
So what good would focusing fire on the executor do? realistically, it would literally take days of turbolaser fire to whittle down a ship that size. To tell the truth, I never understood that scene, even small subs in the 2nd WW had emergency control stations, a SSD should literally have dozens of secondary bridges to take up the loss.
feynthefallen yeah otherwise it would just be a waste of Tens of thousands of lives.
All the Star Wars nerds will try to justify it in some way but yeah, the only way you really can is to admit that it was a narrative choice by Lucas because he wanted to see it slam into DS 2. It's not like if a plane crashed into the bridge of an aircraft carrier that the whole ship would sink...
I'm a little confused at what direction the gravity pulls. Because that thing has quite a lot of mass, but it seems to go from West to East if the trench passes through both polls.
I think the Executor Class was the 'Black Saber' secret project referenced to in Rogue One during the data heist on Scarif.
I thought it was exucute - or
I stumbled upon this video -- I love this :D Nicely done :)
The Executor has to be around 300 times as massive as the Imperial class Star Destroyer.
It's not
OK, how do you figure that?
only about 10x
It is just over 11.8x the length. Length is one dimension, there are three dimensions.
because Spacedock says it's 100 times larger
I really hope we get to see one of these cut loose on screen one day...preferably against the Vong.
Yet a single B-Wing could destroy it in the name of Lucas. Logic doesn't matter in Starwars universe.
*ahem* A-Wing, actually...
Plus 1 just for the intro music flashback to the star trek game
bigger is always better in the movies where you don't have to deal with real world costs and logistics
When you control that many planets i dont think either of those things are an issue.
The only thing i love about imperial warships were their general shape. Elegant yet menacing at the same time. Everything else? Nopes. Bridge right on top, minimal to no staggered guns, blind spots, no point defense to harrass opportunistic starfighters, n y is this executor designed so thin? Im sure most of the viewers of this channel also view other channels about sw ships like eckhart ladder etc etc. Note: the best logically sound n technically sound design of imperial warships were honestly by fans, my personal favourite being the excellent assertor class star dreadnought.
The way the Executor was destroyed is the stupidest shit ever
Love the Executer!
Thanks for doing this, gotta love Original Trilogy designs