HOW TO RECORD THE BEST VOCAL DOUBLES (My Secret Arrangement)
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Why do hit song Vocals sound so much bigger and punchier than yours?! I'd bet money on doubles having a lot to do with it. I have spent nearly a decade struggling with my vocal arrangements, and only really worked out what I was doing wrong in the past few years. Often thinking of vocals as a texture is a bit unnatural, but that's exactly what we're going to do here.
Doubling our Vocals Left & Right, then introducing different tones, octaves and notes to thicken the lead vocal sound, without adding any clear harmonies.
I guarantee you're going to want to make notes in this one, save it in your project template and refer to it when you're recording. It'll make a HUGE difference to your tracks.
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im gonna say it, the best vocal stacking tut I've ever seen
Adam, this is an awesome video: 1. good explanation, 2. good amount of implementation detail, 3. lots of audio examples , 4. lots of tips-and-tricks on top of the basic concept, 5. solutions to problems and caveats, 6. and of course "here's everything together" at the end. It's perfect.
This was wicked solid.. I don't sing pop music but I definitely need to thicken up the indie rock and this is ideal.. thank you for the specific numbers on things too.. im stoked to put this to use
Awesome! Thank you!
Well, this was awesome and awesomely detailed. Thank You! Liked and subbed!
Thank you for making such a great video. As a beginner, this is all quite overwhelming, but in one video you have opened up so much to me. I'm anxious to learn more and try these things you're teaching. Thanks so much!
You are so welcome Peter! Yeah I totally get how overwhelming it is. The width and quantity of things to learn in the music production world is HUGE. I have been doing this for nearly a decade and learn big things every day. Just keep chipping away at it and remember the 1%'s add up over time. 1% better every day and soon you'll be making bangers!
@@AdamRowleygrowley That is very well said!
Fantastic Video Adam. You have a new sub 👍🏾 I believe The whispered tracks is something Mutt Lange had pioneered already. Also the One note harmony was used extensively in Jam & Lewis productions. 👊🏾
Thanks!!! You're spot on
your the king i been trying to figure this out for 2 years !!!!!!
Hahaha glad it helped Sam!!
I don't get why you don't have more sub or view. Your advice are gold, thanks for sharing !
Appreciate this!
Well that was great. Obviously having a great singer is more than half the battle, I'm crap and spend ages pitch correcting and compressing to get it close enough. Think I'd better subscribe if all your content is this good!
Really appreciate it dude. I should get back on the uploads at some point!
Time correction is the biggest battle. Pitch is less important. Keep going, and you'll get there.
This video is so good
That's a masterpiece man!
Ach appreciate it!
WAITING ON THE HARMONIES VIDEO !!! MAKE THAT ONE NEXT , OF COURSE. PEOPLE WANT IT 😅
Hahaha I wish! I havent made a video in a long while but appreciate the support!
Wow!!
Wow! Excellent. . . Carry on!!
Perfection! Definitely worth the time!
Wow, thank you! Hope it's useful!
Amazing!❤
So cool that you did the Revoice Pro reference. Did you do a video on that? Guess I need to look around your channel. 😂 Thanks again! ❤👏🏻🔥
I actually didnt, and I actually HATE their business practices four years later. They didnt update Revoice so they made me rebuy it for my M1 Mac. I refused and just do it manually these days.
thank you so much sir. its a big help to me.
hell yeah!!!
yo this video was amazing
Hahaha thanks Nate!! Glad you enjoyed it!
Actually helpful. Thanks!
Glad it helped!
Wow .. really detailed explanation .. I'm gonna try this with my crappy music. 👍🏻 Why are you recording your vocals in stereo and not mono?
just a mistake!!! mono all the way
amazing video thanks
Glad you liked it!
Quality mate 👏
I try!!!
This is dope thanks
Heck yeah!
And where to put the harmonys? This only wenn through the doubles. Great vid
Very tasty recipe! 😋 Adam Rowley is an awesome chef! 👍
Appreciate it!
Thank You Adam !
of course!!!
So good, I hope you make more videos
Ach maybe I should!!!
Amazing 👏👏👏👏
Thanks 🔥
Late to the party, but I got a question: Your lead vocal is in mono (as expected), but the rest looks like stereo recordings. Did you record with one mic, but into stereo tracks? If so: Why? Are there any advantages I don’t see? Or did you just accidently use stereo tracks (been there - done that)?
Great video! Never thought about «one note double» as a double before, but makes sense! And I tend to pan the «normal» doubles to wide, and thereby losing the unison feel… Will definently try your approach! Again: Makes sense!
Hey pal!
I might've just done it by accident honestly. Two years ago nearly so god knows! But it doesn't make a difference to the audio ofc.
Damn… I feel like it’s a bit of an overkill. I get that its great for production but it will never sound the same live. When I do doubles alone I already feel like I am cheating as a vocalist
You'll find almost 100% of acts playing live have various live tracks playing to reinforce the show. A backing vocals track including doubles is almost always included in that. Cheating in music is a crazy take.
@@AdamRowleygrowley Crazy take for real? First of I said it about myself. But saying that "almost 100% of bands are using pre-recorded vocals during live shows" is a crazy and more importantly a false take indeed. I can name at least 10 bands from the top of my head who don't use pre-recorded backing vocals. There's actually more than one person in the band who can do harmonies and backing vocals during live shows. A shocker I know. There's a lot of problems in modern rock/metal music and it all stems from production stand point. Everything is quantised, drums are often not played live in the studio, vocals are pitch-corrected. This is very much a modern take on guitar music. I can say with a very high degree of certainty that majority of bands that are at least 20 years old don't have any pre-recorded backing vocals. I could forgive it for harmonies but again it's best those are done by other band members live like it used to be done. Besides pre-recorded backing vocals suggest that the shows are played to a click track live. Which is not great because every show becomes a cookie cutter replica of a studio recording and every live show is no different from each other. What is the point of seeing a band live if there is no spontaneity and surprise in a live show? There is no unpredictability or room for error which was always to me the appeal of rock/metal music... it's rawness, imperfection, spontaneity and surprise. With many modern bands these days not even recording drums for their recordings. Can you imagine a drummer like Danny Carey not playing drums on Tool albums? I don't think so. I bet he would also never sign up for that. Back in the day bands didn't even always use a metronome for their records. Nirvana for example recorded only one song (to the best of my knowledge) to a metronome for their Nevermind album which was Lithium. This approach made their records authentic and an actual reflection of how they play and approach their instruments. What's happening in modern guitar music is so weird to me and I say it's Djent that started this trend of overproducing and other bands replicate that approach religiously. Though that kind of production made sense for progressive music it's absolutely not necessary in less complex music. At the end of the day it's the producers that are to blame for these changes who replicate that same approach to death. I don't understand why fans of guitar music accept this nonsense as some progression in the world of guitar music. It's backwards thinking.
love it
Thanks!
So do you not double/triple the lead vocal in verses other than here and there like you did on that big harmony set on the word “colors” generally? Thank you for the tips!
This depends. On our new EP, we have two songs that have at least one double at ALL times. But the others only have doubles on main sections like chorus'/pre's. Harmonies go throughout in various places though.
This video is great!
Thanks Brett! Judging by the response on some of these vids, I may have to do some more...
What name of the application
Great vid bro thanks🔥
Of course!
so should i don't just clone the one already recorded but record same bars again and make it for double?
Exactly. Without diving into the technical reasons, if you just copy the audio and paste it in, you'll actually get LESS volume and LESS stereo feel.
You need to do an entirely different take!
Instead of sounding stereo, it'll be like two people singing the same way but in different intervals which ruins the melody. I've tried it and it's bad.
bro, can you share the multitrack 😁
Unfort not of this but maybe i’ll have more for you soon…
Omygod I love this tutorial. Thanks for everything 💕💕
Glad it was handy!
Thank you
of course!!!!
Hi Adam, I have 2 vocal takes of main vocal, same part sang twice.. one panned hard left, one hard right.. they sound great, but they are making the backing synth tracks sound lost in stereo field.. what would you suggest to make everything sound less dull and muddy?
Don't pan them way too hard to the sides, actually if you have only to takes it's better to keep them centred, you can also use a doubler plugin, to give it more thickness and space
Hey! Sorry, ten months later, I dropped the ball. As White said. Try panning a little less. Try like +15/-15. Also cut more low end out of vocals than you think. I HiPass up to 120hz, and then I cut 6-12 db out of the 200-300hz area too! That'll help with the mud.
Remember if everything is stereo, nothing is.
What are your thoughts on vocalign for this?
I've used Vocalign a bunch, it's great! I hate the business model. I bought the suite and they wanted me to rebuy it for M1, I was raging. So now I just use the built in logic flex tools and they work great.
@@AdamRowleygrowleycan you do a video on how to efficiently use logic flex to do this instead of vocallign 😎
How do you handle all those vocal tracks in your main mix? Do you bounce them down into 1 track or do you send them to a group channel?
Great Video!
I usually bounce them into stereo tracks so "BV 1 L + BV 1 R" become "BV 1". Then all my BV's in that segment will be grouped into a main bus. Such as "chorus doubles" or "Verse Harmonies" etc etc.
@@AdamRowleygrowley Thank you!
I am new to production. How much exactly is 15 right and 15 left? Thanks
In your DAW it should have a number for Pan left and Pan R. Logic is 0-63 I think. So just 15 on that scale!
Ah well. I'm glad Chris asked, because I thought you meant 15% left right etc. FL studio uses percentages. I'll just use logic when I'm doing this.
Heyy
What you day how much db should i use for each one?
I'm not entirely sure what you mean here? If you're asking volumes, you have to tweak it by ear in your context!
Thank you and you're very handsome too haha
You're far too kind!!!
Would you run all those vocals into an effects send? Or create separate instances of plugins on each vocal track?
Hey pal!
Usually I route all these vocals to a summing stack with an SSL 4kE channel strip, some light compression and a Desser.
From there I can send to reverb or any other time based effects.
@@AdamRowleygrowley what's a summing stack? Do you have a video for that?
I don't! Just a bus though. In Logic, it's called a summing stack. You can create one by selecting a bunch of tracks, then it's in the right click menu. Or just hit Cmd+Shft+D
@@AdamRowleygrowley thx brotha!
Doubles are the key to a lavish vocal production, far more depth if used rationally.
All little 1% subtleties!
Most helpful video I've watched on this so far. Good stuff!
Glad it was useful Sid! Let me know if you've got any other Q's!
Wanting to try to do something more professional for my church singing. Wow? I am impressed! A lot of work, but I can certainly try some of these tips. Thank you. The end product is awesome.
You get so fast at it if you do it regularly!!
Amazing Tips. You've helped me out.
Heck Yeah!
Love it
Nice. This should help add something to the chorus of a track I'm working on.
Hell yeah!
Saw izotope doubler is free plugin should work also good
That will be a fake double. It works, it isn't the same as re-recording though!
You should do a video on how lil peep did his vocals in garageband cause no one can figure it out.
i’m not the genius unfort but probs a literal preset. so much huge music is preset focussed
KING!
Glad this was useful Erik!
Gonna try this, thanks!
Hope you like it!
I thank the Al Gore Rhythm for showing your channel. Appreciate ya 😊.
oooh whats the Al Gore Rhythm Channel! I need to tell them thanks!
Really helpful and informative, thanks!
Yessir!
Great video, amazing!
I have one thing to point out tho..
On section 4. (Octave) You say fully pan left and right but they only look panned ever so slightly,
On section 5. (One note double) You say pan 10 left 10 right but there is only one take and it is not panned it is in the centre,
Just abit confused did you get mixed up with the last 2 sections?
Thank you 🙏🏻
Hey pal! didn't watch the video. It might be that the one take was a stereo track and I baked in the panning when I bounced in place!
Very cool, thank you.
Do you send the doubles to a seperate buss than the main vocal?
Would love to see how you apply reverb and delay to each set of vocals.
I do!
I usually apply gentle compression to the double bus. But if I can afford to, I'm processing each and every vocal with the main vocal chain pretty much, then bounce in place and turn off the tracks. Then the bus I give it gentle compression just to tie it together.
Well you've convinced me to subscribe, that's for sure! 🙂👍
Goddamn, I should really come back to RUclips....
i might make masterpiece,, this video is trendy and classic at the same time
Glad you liked it!
You’re the best mate ❤ Ty I’ve been searching this for hours
No problem 👍 Hope it's handy!
Great Content, learned a ton in this video. Much appreciated sir !
Ahhhh so glad you liked it pal! thank you!
Thanks for the vid how do you edit your doubles to make them so tight ?
Maybe I should do a video on this.... I usually go through and time align everything manually, clean up all the breaths to make sure the volumes suit the song, and then clean up silences etc. It takes HOURS
Yeah I’d love tu see that I’ve been using vocalign ultra but I’m not 100 percent happy with the results