I'm a big fan of this table (it is my daily driver) - one thing that can’t be dismissed is their excellent custom service. The belt is very loose on purpose to help decouple motor noise - it is a design philosophy and after six or seven years, I have never had an issue with it. I have done plenty of videos on my channel about its noise floor and ways to help with that.
Well considering I only live a couple hours north of where their factory is it took less then a week I think. With everything happening now it would probably be longer. Also depends on where you live.
Great review Frank, Balanced and informative, without getting too technical. Looks like a great turntable for people starting out on their vinyl journey.
I started with a questionable turntable (don't remember the brand). It lasted about a month. Upgrade to a Crosley S 100. It was a great starter. It had all the bells and whistles, great for leaning balancing, anti-skate, etc. I recently upgrade to the uturn custom model with the red Ortofon cartridge, running about $400.00. It has weight and great sound.
You are not the only one who saves his boxes. For a lot of us in the world, we like to "upgrade". Having the boxes makes the unit worth more to the next person!
Good video and assessment. I've had the U-Turn Orbit Custom for about three years now. I've generally been very happy with it. Since it's the custom, I did go for several upgrades right out of the gate: acrylic platter, tonearm lever, Ortofon 2M Blue and I did not add an internal preamp since I was set with my amp. The belt can sometimes be a pain to switch, and I've noticed if I got a period of time without listening (rare, but if I'm out of town for an extended period), the belt seems to loosen and fall off. I tend to keep it at 33 rpm and use a manual TT I have for 45s to avoid having to switch the speeds. Also, on their website under the FAQ or troubleshooting you'll see a reference to a clicking sound in the motor. I've had this happen to me twice. I contacted them both times and they sent a brand new motor, including after the warranty expired, for free and it's simple enough to replace on your own. They claim this problem is very rare, but it seems odd that I've had it happen twice. Regardless, their customer service is outstanding. They respond within minutes during business hours.
I have a TEAC P-A688 full automatic turntable i bought 25 yrs ago. Still plays my 33's-45's. works good after all these years! These new turntables for these up coming new music album collectors r just fine no qualms with that. Love your video's frank keep em coming!
I have the U-turn orbit and I’m throughly impressed with the turntable. The customer service is great and the website has upgradable parts as well as replacement parts. The belt was a concern to me because it felt loose but the speed is consistent and it sounds really good. I will be upgrading the cartridge but this is an overall great starter turntable even an audiophile would be hard pressed to find too much fault in it. The acrylic platter gives the turntable better consistent speed due to the weight and I hope the company does make updates models soon.
I know people like U-Turn turntables because they come in different colors and are assembled in the USA, and that's great, but there are better turntables available for the price, especially once you add on the tonearm lifter ($40 extra) and a pre-amp -- U-Turn even charges you $10 extra for a 45 RPM adapter! Plus the anti-skating is not adjustable, and needing to move the belt to change speeds is a hassle if you play a lot of 45s.
❤ this turntable is a giant killer! Nice video though. I purchased mine about a year ago in green and I wound up opting for the Q leopard which does make the difference but using my own personal you mark M4 mixer with built-in phono preamps I found the 1891 be with that beautiful bright yellow stylus to be more than adequate. I love the fact that it tracks nicely on just about any old record you can think of
That wow & flutter number is excellent. My Technics SL1200 MK3 gets 0.06% and my Pioneer PLX 1000 (also direct drive) gets 0.26% using the same app you used. You can find some nice aftermarket styli for that cartridge on the Orbit, the cartridge body is pretty good, IMO (it's reused by Concept and Goldring.) I got an elliptical stylus from LP Gear for that body and it's excellent.
Thanks for the honest review Frank. I have lived and thoroughly enjoyed my U-Turn TT for almost 2 years now. I purchased the custom orbit with the following upgrades: cue lever, pre-amp, cork mat, & Grado black cart. In retrospect, I would not get the pre-amp (I'd use the Schitt mani instead) and I will be upgrading to the acrylic platter in the near future.
I know I live in the uk and can only seem to get the Orbit Plus here but at the price they are asking I could get a used Rega P1 for cheaper and some money to spare for records o buy a new P1 for about £30 more than the Orbit. It’s a no brainier for me as the Rega has a much better arm and motor and has been the class leader for years. All it needs is a better cartridge which you can upgrade in time. You can also do upgrades to the turntable and arm too to make it even better
As a starter option this turntable competes with the best of them at its price-point. Impressed by the wow & Flutter reading ! An upgraded MM cartridge would go a long way for a modest price.
Had one and liked it a lot. Sounded good, stability was fantastic and lookd great. Had white model with acrylic platter and preamp. Complaints are, speed chang belt moving always ends up with you resetting the belt complately and its not always easy. 2 the lid falls down easy when sitting open and the clear lid would be nicer slightly tinted. 3 it is completely manual, not even auto stop. I prefer fully auto tables. If all that is ok for you it is a great table.
I had to go with full automatic too, but semi auto is surely also fine. For me, with a manual deck, there is just too much added stress as the cart gets closer to the dead wax. And some records are pressed so off center that stylus grinds over the label and that nasty sound is almost as bad as the sound of finger nails scratching on a chalk board. My current deck: Technics SL-Q3 from 1979 with a NP-110 and Art USB preamp. Love the Art, sounds good and you can raise and lower the signal for optimum volume level, and you can use digitize records or anything cassettes and even digital. Although I have not tried the Coax for digital transfer.
Hey Frank, I actually stepped down from a Pro-ject 1.3 to an orbit with an Ortaphon cartridge, and I am much happier now. My only complaint is that this cart is much quieter than the Goldring that I was running on the Pro-ject. Someday I may put that on this. Also, I actually have stopped using my tone arm lift as it does not seem to place the needle accurately in my opinion. It's a really nice, and really simple TT, which is why I love it. Take care...
Another great video dude! My first turntable was a Red U-Turn Orbit Basic. It was great to start with. Amazing value. I agree that upgrading the cartridge a bit would be a good idea. I put a Grado Blue on mine. Now I have a Music Hall MMF 2.3se with an acrylic platter swapped in
This is a great in-depth review. I’ve had an Orbit Plus model (Ortofon oM5e cartridge, acrylic platter) for almost 3 years and it still works well like a charm. I like the customizability of it and the minimalist look. Looking back I should’ve opted for a higher end cartridges since I had it on a payment plan but the oM5e does sound quite good to my ears. Stay safe frank!
A little more expensive now, but still affordable. I have a Custom heavily decked out on order now. I like the Tri-Color Reprise Are You Experienced on there. Awesome choice :)
Loved the review! I'm still decently happy with my older Sony USB turntable (though the USB broke in a new across the country), as it has a built-in preamp. When it finally kicks the bucket, I'll certainly be checking into reviews like this.
It's a decent TT for sure. I'd opt for the acrylic platter and Orton Blue stylus, which would bring it closer to the Project Debut. Stay safe Gil! Frank
For the price fluance offers a far better alternative with more features in theor rt-81 such as anti skate, s shaped tinearm, much better cartridge out of the box, built in preamp with a bypass, auto stop and its only 30 bucks more
I would like to point out whilst it looks great you can get the project essential turntable for around 200-250 but cheaper used I got my essential 2 for 179 here in the U.K. and it has a way better cartridge it has a ortofon omb5
Frank, it looks like the record you were spinning had an off center hole as the cartridge was wobbling back and forth in the groove. The Uturn does look like a nice entry level turntable. I bought a Fluance RT 82 (back when the RT85 was out of stock.). I upgraded the cartridge to a Sumiko Olympia and then added the acrylic platter, so essentially it is an RT85. The platter spins at a perfected 33.33 RPM using a similar app. The acrylic platter seemed to add better base definition, certainly aided in speed control as the aluminum platter spun at 33.32 RPM. Probably due to inertia of the heavier weight. The Sumiko has excellent channel separation and gives a huge soundstage. Keep up the interesting videos. I really enjoy your topics. Keep spinning
I noticed the wobbling when I went to edit the video as well. I think it was an illusion caused by my less-than-steady, hand-held camera filming, but I could be wrong. Frank
I like the look of these tables but I don’t think they are available in the UK. We can get the Rega or Project equivalents which are both good. If a turntable sounds nice to your ears and you enjoy the music then it’s a good turntable, no matter who makes them or the cost. Keep safe in Canada 👍
This wouldn't compete with the Rega P1 at its UK price. Likewise the P1 costs much more in the US and Canada so buying an U-Turn here makes more sense.
For a first timer, or someone getting back into vinyl, I’d still go for the venerable AT LP-60 for 1/3rd the cost. The one I had sounded great, and no need to muck with the belt to change speeds. Imho, better to start out saving $$ upfront on a well respected, solid performing TT that will do a great job while you save up $$ for that higherline model that you’ll eventually get after doing your homework, and making the best decision. And you can always use the LP-60 in another room, or give it to a friend who wants to get into vinyl, like I did.
Artamus Sumatra I agree with you 100%!!! I have an AT LP120, which is the big brother to the LP 60. Since I have first hand experience with an Audio Technica TT, I can tell you that the build quality is sound. And this past year, AT has released the LP 60X, which comes in several cool colors. I have never been impressed with U Turn TTS, for they appear to be cheaply made. Whether this is true or not, I can’t say; but first impressions are everything. It would seem that with a few tweaks, they could make a better looking TT at least, and it could improve the quality as well. I will not put anybody down for getting one of these (at least it’s better than a Crosley!!!), but I would not recommend this TT to a beginner, or anyone else either, until they make some basic changes.
Agreed. I don't see the point of spending $200 on a table I can't set the antiskate or tracking force (basically stuck with the cart it comes with). I can get an LP-60 with the same limitations for half the price
senorverde09 Yea, and $40.00 extra for a cue lever, that every other TT on the market has standard....?! No thanks. Heck, that lever by itself costs half of what I paid for my entire LP 60 TT that comes with one, and a preamp too! It IS a nice looking lever....but, nah. 😆
I agree it's a great table to get you started. It's the one I got a couple years ago. I hear it's even A LOT better with the stylus upgrade from LP Gear, but hadn't tried it myself, because I sold it & got the LP 120 & did all the mods to it & got a much better cartridge.
as I said before I really enjoy my U-turn green orbit with cork mat with gradle black cartridge but last year I upgraded to Golden Ring e3 cartridge. u-turn has a really good Facebook group community.
The Orbit is a fantastic entry level TT and beyond to be honest. I had one when I 1st came back into the hobby a little over 3 years ago, I did have an acrylic platter on it, but as you mentioned, at it's price point its an amazing value with a few "upgrades" available if you choose. Rock solid.........thanks for sharing your opinion :)
I have a question, I'm interest and picking up the basic from U-turn except with the upgraded grado cartridge. I like the idea of the MDF platter only because I've had issues in the past with acrylic platters. I guess my question ultimately is to you who makes the video and to others who also have had the basic with the MDF platter, have you noticed any wobble in the platter? or the platter having any excessive up and down movement due to mis manufacture. I only ask because over the last few years I've been through a litany of tables and and familiar with most brands on the market and from those such as project and Rega they can't seem to make a perfectly flat level platter to save their lives.
A cue lever is an optional extra? Really? Anyway, if you ever get round to it I'm possibly looking for a next step up turntable. My current setup is Pro-Jet Debut SE3 which has now done me fine for some years, but has deficiencies which are now beginning to irritate. Possible budget £800-1000???
Reminds me a bit of some Pro-Ject turntable. Looks to be nice for that price for a new turntable. Was the tonearm parallel with the records playing surface or did it just look a bit off in the video? at 8:44 Or am i missing something? is it supposed to be like that on this turntable with that cartridge? Hope you are having a great Sunday Frank!
A good review which was not bogged down with technical jargon. You get what you pay for, but this sounds quite fine for the price. The MDF Player dismayed me too. Good price to purchase and then upgrade the Player and Cartridge when funds permit.
I’ve never looked for a specific model turntable and have always been lucky to find very good turntables for very little money when I need one. For the last decade I’ve been using a 1979 Sony PS-T2 I bought at a thrift store for $15. It’s leagues better than the U-Turn. I’ve since bought another Sony, two Technics, a Realistic, a Sansui & an Akai. All were $30 or less, and all are also better than that U-Turn. I just can’t see ever spending over $150 for a new turntable.
Cartridge upgrades are very worthwhile. I went from the Grado Black (not bad) to the Nagaoka MP-110 (quite good) to the Nagaoka MP-150 (great) and easily heard the differences on my Orbit Plus.
I love my MP-110... but I have been thinking about the upgrade to the MP-150. From all accounts, it's a nice step up. I had a Grado Black at one point. As you note, it's not bad, but not outstanding either. Thanks for the comment! Frank
@@Channel33RPM You don't need to rush. Having heard both the MP-110 and the -150, the 110 offers better value. That said if you want even better tracking, wider stereo separation, and above all sharper focus than the -110, the MP-150's juice is worth the squeeze.
My only real worry would be the MDF platter. I live in a area where humidity is crazy some days. Anything made of Medium Density Fiberboard, OSB or "Was Wood" as some call it with be affected by the moisture in the air.
I wasn't crazy about the idea of an MDF platter. Sounded ok, but I would opt for at least the aluminum. The issue with humidity never occurred to me. Interesting point. Frank
Great review Frank! But... Nothing beats a direct drive technics sl 1xxx for me and especially the sl 1200 mk2! But this are my 2 cents. I've got the sl 1410 on it's way right now for my listening setup in the living room. Cheers and keep safe!
For sure, I agree, but I would suggest it is not a fair comparison, as this is an entry level TT. I've mentioned this previously, but I would love to add an SL-1200 to my collection... I will seriously begin my search once all the madness is done. Good to hear from you, as always! Frank
Great review! If I were to order one I'd get the cue lever, acrylic platter, and NO built-in preamp. That one costs $294. I hate any built-in preamp, period. A note from their website about the tonearm and anti-skate "Every arm is tuned and tested by hand, and comes equipped with anti-skate (factory set), an adjustable stainless-steel counterweight, and an optional cue lever." My Rega Planar 2 comes with a magnet that does the automatic anti-skate and I would prefer an adjustable means of setting it myself. I guess we can't have everything! 🎸
I also have a Rega P2, and like you, I would have preferred adjustable anti-skate. As long as your cartridge works well at around 2 gms, it works well though. Otherwise I love it.
Aaron Malerich I couldn’t agree with you more!!! Good choice!!! I have an AT LP 120 direct drive that I absolutely love. However, if I were in the market for a belt drive, I would go with the Fluance. After watching and reading the reviews of several TTs, it just seems that the Fluance was the best TT for the money, in regards to price, build quality and sound performance. The Pro-ject Debut Carbon would be another option. This TT, while able to get the job done, seems more cheaply made (and not just the belt, either, Frank!) than either the Fluance or the Pro-Ject.
@@1mctous I don't know if my ears will be able to tell a difference. I actually purchased the RT-85. I haven't been home to set it up yet to compare it to my 80s vintage Technics turntable.
@@AaronMal1978 Very different flavors. Direct-drive is aptly named: it has a lot more torque than belt drive and thus subjectively a lot more drive but at the expense of refinement and added noise. I prefer belt drive's lower noise floor and greater refinement but your priorities may differ.
They are a great company. They sent me two to giveaway. Which I did but wish I still had one for myself. It's amazing that the n just 4 hours you got more views them my video showing I was giving it away. Very cool and happy that you got so many great followers and subscribers. Great video as always Frank. Keep up the great work.
It looks like a fun turntable, but it lacks adjustable anti-skate. You have to rely on the factory setting the anti-skate properly for the cartridge that comes with it. This can be an issue when upgrading to a better cartridge that needs a different anti-skating force. Btw, I also keep packaging, but only those of my turntables. So if I ever want to sell the turntable online, I don't have to improvise reliable packaging for shipping, because that's a pain in the ass with turntables. Dustcovers and tonearm bearings are easily damaged in transit, especially if it has to be shipped by air mail.
Frank saw in the background of a previous video what looked like a Hitachi PS-48? Picked one up myself about 4 months ago and absolutely love it! So good in fact I sold my Rega Planar 3 on eBay.... What do you think of yours...maybe a review for those of us stuck in our houses🤔 Hope all is well and safe in your house... Keep spinning!
Yes, I love the Hitachi. I found it at a garage sale about 10 years ago for $10. Classy looking and sounds great. I should do a vid on my turntables. Frank
Hello, when you tested it did you experience an unbalance with speakers? I have one, and I notice left channel sounds better than right. Right channel has a lower volume, left one sounds with more bass and volume. I suspect the anti skate wasn't set properly. Thanks.
Thanks Frank. We had never heard of this company. Is it standard for companies to use other companies parts, like the Audio Technica cartridge? We have an old Pioneer PL-600 belt-driven turntable from the 90’s as our backup. Our primary is the Audio Technica AT-LP120. BTW: Nice haircut. Lookin’ fresh on lockdown! 😎
Yes, it's common for turntable brands to use other company's parts... specifically the cartridge/stylus. As for the haircut... I figured it would be awhile before I had another chance to get the locks chopped! Thanks for the comment. Frank
Looks nice. Someday it might be interesting to have unused vinyl player. I haven't experienced smell of new record player. I didn't know that there is mobile app for testing rpm. I downloaded righ away one. I got with other one 33,40 and other one was better. What is app called that you use? mr. Finglish (Bäd English Recs)
This table seems super simple for those that want no frills but wow, not a fan of the looks or build quality for the price. An AT LP120 seems like a much better table to invest in at this price point.
How is build quality in question? Have you ever used a U-Turn? Just curious where that critique is coming from when it’s proven as a functionally reliable and durable unit.
I have the lp60x and when I play 180 gram vinyl and some other vinyl it tends to skip. Will this turntable skip at all when playing more hefty vinyl ? Or should I not worry at all
Frank telling it like it is. I’m glad you liked it, but we’re honest about things you were not so impressed with. It does look like a great entry level turntable. Any news on your search for a sl-1200?
Hey Andy! Sharp eye! That is my original 2600, which I got for Christmas as a kid (I'm thinking it was 1982). Still is great shape. Thanks for the comment. Frank
Channel 33 RPM I got an Atari VCS for Christmas back in 1981. I was in 8th grade. I wore out the joysticks twice and had to buy they repair kits they used to sell that had a new PCB to put inside. I miss the days of companies selling parts and letting you fix your own stuff.
Is the motor quite? I have a pro ject elemental ,the letdown is it has motor rumble. I think I can fix that with a DJ preamp from Amazon, it least I hope so.
This was was recorded in two sessions, with two different setups, so unfortunately the volume is not even all the way through. I should figure out a way to normalize volume, but for the most part, I'm winging it! Thanks for tuning in. I appreciate the feedback. Frank
This is more expensive that an AT LP60 which includes auto start and stop as well as a tone arm lift. This turntable doesn’t seem like the price matches the value. I also think it’s a bad idea to have to move the belt to change speed. It seems to me that is creating extra wear on the belt that could be avoided with a simple button or lever to change the speed. I really thought this brand was supposed to be a higher quality than AT. Maybe it is in the materials but certainly not in the function.
I have a Thorens am not statisfied qua quality for the ecpensive price so am very carefull with thise newcomers i have a philips from 1962 and a sony turntable from the mid 90's both are excellent...
I don't wish to sound snobbish, because I am not. That being said, regardless of the reviews, the Ortofon 2m blue is my bare minimum cart. The 2m red is just too basic and lacks much. I just can't enjoy a vinyl setup that just doesn't extract much more than midrange. In real truth, the 2m Bronze or black are more my speed. I say this because hipsters are getting into vinyl (good for the industry) but some of the basic setups really fall short of "high fidelity". I don't want a rig just to say I have one, it needs to work well.
for another 175 canadian I'd rather have project debut the cart on debut alone would make up the difference in cost ...also very bad business in my opinion to make the lever an upsell seems a bit tacky just my humble opinion
do not recommend manual turntable for beginners risk to high for damage stylus....and having to get up before record finish..pitchecur...pitchecur...pitchecur..can destroy the love of it...
Nah.. Fluance sells their rt-81 for 30 bucks more with more features and a better cartridge and canada is close enough to made in usa for me at least it aint chinese, most importantly they dont sell the goddamn cue lever as a seperate purchase
Love the fact that it is manufactured in the USA, BUT by the time you add the “extras” (pre-amp and cue lever) you are looking at $289. I’m sorry but for that price point you can get a turntable with improved specs and many more features (including what they charge as “extras” and basic things like anti-skate, better stylus, etc).... Aside from the simplistic look and a fetish to play with rubber bands, not sure why Hipsters keep this company afloat.
As Frank noted U-Turn specs are quite conservative. I've heard Fluance, Pro-Ject, A-T, and Rega turntables in person and only the Rega sounds better than U-Turn in the under-$500 price range.
Martin Tousignant Martin I get it, but I also assume that the U-Turn you heard did not use that Audio-Technica stylus and probably had an acrylic platter. Again things which further raise the price. Im not saying they are bad, I just feel that they are over priced on the entry level of $179 which so many standard features being non-existent.
@@dannyrodriguez5420 I'll admit I haven't heard the exact same combination but I have heard the AT95E on other turntables. It is easily the best $50 cartridge I've ever heard. I've also heard the modest Carbon (AT3600) on the Rega P1 and can attest that Rega's turntable and tonearm are so good that even the Carbon can sound good. You can rightly infer that I have nothing against A-T overall, I'm just not an AT120 fan.
Martin Tousignant Well I can agree with you on the Audio-Technica ATN95 stylus being a great stylus at the price point. Being a “budget” music listener, I can attest that stylus is the best at that price point IMO.
I’ve heard these turntables are good but damn... they’re just so ugly and cheap looking!😆. I always prefer vintage but IF I were to buy brand new, I’d definitely go with the Fluance reference turntables. I’d spend the extra 50 something bucks for good looks and tbh better quality components.
I started with a $50 turntable used and all used gear. If it gets u rocking, you can upgrade. Great review, man!
I'm a big fan of this table (it is my daily driver) - one thing that can’t be dismissed is their excellent custom service. The belt is very loose on purpose to help decouple motor noise - it is a design philosophy and after six or seven years, I have never had an issue with it. I have done plenty of videos on my channel about its noise floor and ways to help with that.
U-Turn Orbit basic was my first turntable and I still have it. Totally agree that it's worth the money if you are just getting into vinyl.
How long did the shipping take
Well considering I only live a couple hours north of where their factory is it took less then a week I think. With everything happening now it would probably be longer. Also depends on where you live.
There are many 3rd party stylus upgrades available for that cartridge, hyper-elliptical, vivid line, shibata, etc.
Great review Frank, Balanced and informative, without getting too technical. Looks like a great turntable for people starting out on their vinyl journey.
I started with a questionable turntable (don't remember the brand). It lasted about a month. Upgrade to a Crosley S 100. It was a great starter. It had all the bells and whistles, great for leaning balancing, anti-skate, etc. I recently upgrade to the uturn custom model with the
red Ortofon cartridge, running about $400.00. It has weight and great sound.
The Crosley S100 is a re-branded Pro-Ject Debut Carbon. Both offer decent value. For US and Canadian listeners the U-Turn offers better value.
Seems like a nice little unit with a pretty good stylus on it. Not bad at all.
You are not the only one who saves his boxes. For a lot of us in the world, we like to "upgrade". Having the boxes makes the unit worth more to the next person!
I agree. And if you ever have to move, it also makes transporting gear that music easier.
Thanks for the comment.
Frank
Good video and assessment. I've had the U-Turn Orbit Custom for about three years now. I've generally been very happy with it. Since it's the custom, I did go for several upgrades right out of the gate: acrylic platter, tonearm lever, Ortofon 2M Blue and I did not add an internal preamp since I was set with my amp. The belt can sometimes be a pain to switch, and I've noticed if I got a period of time without listening (rare, but if I'm out of town for an extended period), the belt seems to loosen and fall off. I tend to keep it at 33 rpm and use a manual TT I have for 45s to avoid having to switch the speeds. Also, on their website under the FAQ or troubleshooting you'll see a reference to a clicking sound in the motor. I've had this happen to me twice. I contacted them both times and they sent a brand new motor, including after the warranty expired, for free and it's simple enough to replace on your own. They claim this problem is very rare, but it seems odd that I've had it happen twice. Regardless, their customer service is outstanding. They respond within minutes during business hours.
Good call on the upgrades!
Frank
An easy and inexpensive upgrade for the cartridge is the EVG nude elliptical PM2322DE stylus.
I have a TEAC P-A688 full automatic turntable i bought 25 yrs ago. Still plays my 33's-45's. works good after all these years! These new turntables for these up coming new music album collectors r just fine no qualms with that. Love your video's frank keep em coming!
I have the U-turn orbit and I’m throughly impressed with the turntable. The customer service is great and the website has upgradable parts as well as replacement parts. The belt was a concern to me because it felt loose but the speed is consistent and it sounds really good. I will be upgrading the cartridge but this is an overall great starter turntable even an audiophile would be hard pressed to find too much fault in it. The acrylic platter gives the turntable better consistent speed due to the weight and I hope the company does make updates models soon.
Hi Frank: I have the Orbit custom model with the Ortofon Blue cartridge. Love it! Best regards, Richard
I have a Ortofon Red and I've been thinking about upgrading sometime this summer. Is it a worthwhile upgrade or should I look for something higher up?
@@ezcompane The bronze or black is a LEAP over the red. The blue is a solid improvement.
I know people like U-Turn turntables because they come in different colors and are assembled in the USA, and that's great, but there are better turntables available for the price, especially once you add on the tonearm lifter ($40 extra) and a pre-amp -- U-Turn even charges you $10 extra for a 45 RPM adapter! Plus the anti-skating is not adjustable, and needing to move the belt to change speeds is a hassle if you play a lot of 45s.
Do you have any specific turntables that you’d recommend over the u-turn turntables at a similar price?
❤ this turntable is a giant killer! Nice video though. I purchased mine about a year ago in green and I wound up opting for the Q leopard which does make the difference but using my own personal you mark M4 mixer with built-in phono preamps I found the 1891 be with that beautiful bright yellow stylus to be more than adequate. I love the fact that it tracks nicely on just about any old record you can think of
That wow & flutter number is excellent. My Technics SL1200 MK3 gets 0.06% and my Pioneer PLX 1000 (also direct drive) gets 0.26% using the same app you used.
You can find some nice aftermarket styli for that cartridge on the Orbit, the cartridge body is pretty good, IMO (it's reused by Concept and Goldring.) I got an elliptical stylus from LP Gear for that body and it's excellent.
Because the 1200 is quartz locked
senorverde09 so is the Pioneer. The Orbit’s wow & flutter is impressive for a budget turntable.
Thanks for the honest review Frank. I have lived and thoroughly enjoyed my U-Turn TT for almost 2 years now. I purchased the custom orbit with the following upgrades: cue lever, pre-amp, cork mat, & Grado black cart. In retrospect, I would not get the pre-amp (I'd use the Schitt mani instead) and I will be upgrading to the acrylic platter in the near future.
Great review Frank! The purple one looks so cool!
Thanks Melinda. It's always great to hear from you.
Frank
I know I live in the uk and can only seem to get the Orbit Plus here but at the price they are asking I could get a used Rega P1 for cheaper and some money to spare for records o buy a new P1 for about £30 more than the Orbit. It’s a no brainier for me as the Rega has a much better arm and motor and has been the class leader for years. All it needs is a better cartridge which you can upgrade in time. You can also do upgrades to the turntable and arm too to make it even better
As a starter option this turntable competes with the best of them at its price-point. Impressed by the wow & Flutter reading ! An upgraded MM cartridge would go a long way for a modest price.
Great review Frank , thanks for doing this I've been considering an Orbit for a second turntable.
Had one and liked it a lot. Sounded good, stability was fantastic and lookd great. Had white model with acrylic platter and preamp. Complaints are, speed chang belt moving always ends up with you resetting the belt complately and its not always easy. 2 the lid falls down easy when sitting open and the clear lid would be nicer slightly tinted. 3 it is completely manual, not even auto stop. I prefer fully auto tables. If all that is ok for you it is a great table.
I have noticed the lid issue as well. I meant to note this in the review, but forgot to mention it. Thanks for raising this point.
Frank
I had to go with full automatic too, but semi auto is surely also fine. For me, with a manual deck, there is just too much added stress as the cart gets closer to the dead wax. And some records are pressed so off center that stylus grinds over the label and that nasty sound is almost as bad as the sound of finger nails scratching on a chalk board.
My current deck: Technics SL-Q3 from 1979 with a NP-110 and Art USB preamp. Love the Art, sounds good and you can raise and lower the signal for optimum volume level, and you can use digitize records or anything cassettes and even digital. Although I have not tried the Coax for digital transfer.
Great review! I own a Music Hall turntable and I’ve been very happy. I did look at the Orbit when initially starting my search.
I’m like hmm at the mdf platter to...that will warp over time...happy Sunday Frank 🤘🏻
Hey Frank, I actually stepped down from a Pro-ject 1.3 to an orbit with an Ortaphon cartridge, and I am much happier now. My only complaint is that this cart is much quieter than the Goldring that I was running on the Pro-ject. Someday I may put that on this. Also, I actually have stopped using my tone arm lift as it does not seem to place the needle accurately in my opinion. It's a really nice, and really simple TT, which is why I love it. Take care...
Frank, I have the exact turntable, except in blue. I did go with a few upgrades. I love mine! Thanks for the review!
Another great video dude! My first turntable was a Red U-Turn Orbit Basic. It was great to start with. Amazing value. I agree that upgrading the cartridge a bit would be a good idea. I put a Grado Blue on mine. Now I have a Music Hall MMF 2.3se with an acrylic platter swapped in
This is a great in-depth review. I’ve had an Orbit Plus model (Ortofon oM5e cartridge, acrylic platter) for almost 3 years and it still works well like a charm. I like the customizability of it and the minimalist look. Looking back I should’ve opted for a higher end cartridges since I had it on a payment plan but the oM5e does sound quite good to my ears. Stay safe frank!
You can upgrade the stylus all the way up to an OM-40 at reasonable prices.
A little more expensive now, but still affordable. I have a Custom heavily decked out on order now. I like the Tri-Color Reprise Are You Experienced on there. Awesome choice :)
My closet is filled with audio gear boxes haha you’re not alone!
Loved the review! I'm still decently happy with my older Sony USB turntable (though the USB broke in a new across the country), as it has a built-in preamp. When it finally kicks the bucket, I'll certainly be checking into reviews like this.
Thanks for showing that app....My Marantz 6200 sounds amazing again.
Sounds like the price is right! Might just order one of these for the future. Seems just as good as a Project table.
It's a decent TT for sure. I'd opt for the acrylic platter and Orton Blue stylus, which would bring it closer to the Project Debut. Stay safe Gil!
Frank
For the price fluance offers a far better alternative with more features in theor rt-81 such as anti skate, s shaped tinearm, much better cartridge out of the box, built in preamp with a bypass, auto stop and its only 30 bucks more
I would like to point out whilst it looks great you can get the project essential turntable for around 200-250 but cheaper used I got my essential 2 for 179 here in the U.K. and it has a way better cartridge it has a ortofon omb5
I love your videos and I hope you and your family are alright during these crazy times!
Thank you. And you as well.
Frank
Frank, it looks like the record you were spinning had an off center hole as the cartridge was wobbling back and forth in the groove. The Uturn does look like a nice entry level turntable. I bought a Fluance RT 82 (back when the RT85 was out of stock.). I upgraded the cartridge to a Sumiko Olympia and then added the acrylic platter, so essentially it is an RT85. The platter spins at a perfected 33.33 RPM using a similar app. The acrylic platter seemed to add better base definition, certainly aided in speed control as the aluminum platter spun at 33.32 RPM. Probably due to inertia of the heavier weight. The Sumiko has excellent channel separation and gives a huge soundstage. Keep up the interesting videos. I really enjoy your topics. Keep spinning
I noticed the wobbling when I went to edit the video as well. I think it was an illusion caused by my less-than-steady, hand-held camera filming, but I could be wrong.
Frank
I like the look of these tables but I don’t think they are available in the UK. We can get the Rega or Project equivalents which are both good. If a turntable sounds nice to your ears and you enjoy the music then it’s a good turntable, no matter who makes them or the cost. Keep safe in Canada 👍
This wouldn't compete with the Rega P1 at its UK price. Likewise the P1 costs much more in the US and Canada so buying an U-Turn here makes more sense.
Excellent point Aurelia. I hope you are safe and healthy as well.
Frank
Aurelia Conn The Rega P1 is a more expensive table than the entry level UTurn or Project. It’s a bit higher end to start with.
i got the Rega Planar 1 also Great!
Love youre channel , allways learmimg stuff whit you my freind
Never Stop and stay safe
Paulo from Protugal
For a first timer, or someone getting back into vinyl, I’d still go for the venerable AT LP-60 for 1/3rd the cost. The one I had sounded great, and no need to muck with the belt to change speeds.
Imho, better to start out saving $$ upfront on a well respected, solid performing TT that will do a great job while you save up $$ for that higherline model that you’ll eventually get after doing your homework, and making the best decision. And you can always use the LP-60 in another room, or give it to a friend who wants to get into vinyl, like I did.
Artamus Sumatra I agree with you 100%!!!
I have an AT LP120, which is the big brother to the LP 60. Since I have first hand experience with an Audio Technica TT, I can tell you that the build quality is sound. And this past year, AT has released the LP 60X, which comes in several cool colors.
I have never been impressed with U Turn TTS, for they appear to be cheaply made. Whether this is true or not, I can’t say; but first impressions are everything. It would seem that with a few tweaks, they could make a better looking TT at least, and it could improve the quality as well.
I will not put anybody down for getting one of these (at least it’s better than a Crosley!!!), but I would not recommend this TT to a beginner, or anyone else either, until they make some basic changes.
Agreed. I don't see the point of spending $200 on a table I can't set the antiskate or tracking force (basically stuck with the cart it comes with). I can get an LP-60 with the same limitations for half the price
7JANEWAY I was going to upgrade to the LP-120, but I got an LP-5 for a great price. I really like Audio Technica for TT’s, and headphones too.
senorverde09 Yea, and $40.00 extra for a cue lever, that every other TT on the market has standard....?! No thanks. Heck, that lever by itself costs half of what I paid for my entire LP 60 TT that comes with one, and a preamp too! It IS a nice looking lever....but, nah. 😆
I agree it's a great table to get you started. It's the one I got a couple years ago. I hear it's even A LOT better with the stylus upgrade from LP Gear, but hadn't tried it myself, because I sold it & got the LP 120 & did all the mods to it & got a much better cartridge.
That looks and operates extremely similar to the ProJect Debut Carbon we own, although ours has no onboard preamp.
It is similar to the ProJect in some respects. ProJect has adjustable anti-skate, which this one does not.
If it plays near as good as the Project then it's a great turntable.
as I said before I really enjoy my U-turn green orbit with cork mat with gradle black cartridge but last year I upgraded to Golden Ring e3 cartridge. u-turn has a really good Facebook group community.
The Orbit is a fantastic entry level TT and beyond to be honest. I had one when I 1st came back into the hobby a little over 3 years ago, I did have an acrylic platter on it, but as you mentioned, at it's price point its an amazing value with a few "upgrades" available if you choose. Rock solid.........thanks for sharing your opinion :)
I have a question, I'm interest and picking up the basic from U-turn except with the upgraded grado cartridge. I like the idea of the MDF platter only because I've had issues in the past with acrylic platters.
I guess my question ultimately is to you who makes the video and to others who also have had the basic with the MDF platter, have you noticed any wobble in the platter? or the platter having any excessive up and down movement due to mis manufacture.
I only ask because over the last few years I've been through a litany of tables and and familiar with most brands on the market and from those such as project and Rega they can't seem to make a perfectly flat level platter to save their lives.
A cue lever is an optional extra? Really? Anyway, if you ever get round to it I'm possibly looking for a next step up turntable. My current setup is Pro-Jet Debut SE3 which has now done me fine for some years, but has deficiencies which are now beginning to irritate. Possible budget £800-1000???
Reminds me a bit of some Pro-Ject turntable. Looks to be nice for that price for a new turntable. Was the tonearm parallel with the records playing surface or did it just look a bit off in the video? at 8:44 Or am i missing something? is it supposed to be like that on this turntable with that cartridge?
Hope you are having a great Sunday Frank!
Good question. I will have to go back and check it out next time I use this TT.
A good review which was not bogged down with technical jargon. You get what you pay for, but this sounds quite fine for the price. The MDF Player dismayed me too. Good price to purchase and then upgrade the Player and Cartridge when funds permit.
Robert Atkin Mdf is a good choice for a platter at that price point. They offer an upgrade which is probably worthwhile.
I’ve never looked for a specific model turntable and have always been lucky to find very good turntables for very little money when I need one. For the last decade I’ve been using a 1979 Sony PS-T2 I bought at a thrift store for $15. It’s leagues better than the U-Turn.
I’ve since bought another Sony, two Technics, a Realistic, a Sansui & an Akai. All were $30 or less, and all are also better than that U-Turn. I just can’t see ever spending over $150 for a new turntable.
I have the same red turntable except for the cartridge Grado black
Cartridge upgrades are very worthwhile. I went from the Grado Black (not bad) to the Nagaoka MP-110 (quite good) to the Nagaoka MP-150 (great) and easily heard the differences on my Orbit Plus.
I love my MP-110... but I have been thinking about the upgrade to the MP-150. From all accounts, it's a nice step up. I had a Grado Black at one point. As you note, it's not bad, but not outstanding either.
Thanks for the comment!
Frank
@@Channel33RPM You don't need to rush. Having heard both the MP-110 and the -150, the 110 offers better value. That said if you want even better tracking, wider stereo separation, and above all sharper focus than the -110, the MP-150's juice is worth the squeeze.
Thanks. This is the information I was looking for in this video. Glad it's in the comments
Awesome video. How is it compared to the atlp120? Possible replacement? Keep up the great work.
My only real worry would be the MDF platter. I live in a area where humidity is crazy some days. Anything made of Medium Density Fiberboard, OSB or "Was Wood" as some call it with be affected by the moisture in the air.
I wasn't crazy about the idea of an MDF platter. Sounded ok, but I would opt for at least the aluminum. The issue with humidity never occurred to me. Interesting point.
Frank
Great review Frank! But... Nothing beats a direct drive technics sl 1xxx for me and especially the sl 1200 mk2! But this are my 2 cents. I've got the sl 1410 on it's way right now for my listening setup in the living room. Cheers and keep safe!
For sure, I agree, but I would suggest it is not a fair comparison, as this is an entry level TT. I've mentioned this previously, but I would love to add an SL-1200 to my collection... I will seriously begin my search once all the madness is done.
Good to hear from you, as always!
Frank
Great review! If I were to order one I'd get the cue lever, acrylic platter, and NO built-in preamp. That one costs $294. I hate any built-in preamp, period. A note from their website about the tonearm and anti-skate "Every arm is tuned and tested by hand, and comes equipped with anti-skate (factory set), an adjustable stainless-steel counterweight, and an optional cue lever." My Rega Planar 2 comes with a magnet that does the automatic anti-skate and I would prefer an adjustable means of setting it myself. I guess we can't have everything! 🎸
I also have a Rega P2, and like you, I would have preferred adjustable anti-skate. As long as your cartridge works well at around 2 gms, it works well though. Otherwise I love it.
@@larryhoffman7471 I use an Ortofon MC-3 Turbo and I track it at 2.05.
MDF not a bad choice actually for platters, very dense and low resonance.. just not the most resilient material... still rocking my Stanton turntables
Thanks for the review Frank!
Nice episode 👍
Stay healthy, Frank.
I was looking at the Orbit turntables and the Fluance. I ultimately went with the Fluance. It just seemed like the quality was superior.
Aaron Malerich I couldn’t agree with you more!!! Good choice!!!
I have an AT LP 120 direct drive that I absolutely love. However, if I were in the market for a belt drive, I would go with the Fluance. After watching and reading the reviews of several TTs, it just seems that the Fluance was the best TT for the money, in regards to price, build quality and sound performance. The Pro-ject Debut Carbon would be another option. This TT, while able to get the job done, seems more cheaply made (and not just the belt, either, Frank!) than either the Fluance or the Pro-Ject.
Different priorities. The U-Turn actually sounds better than the Fluance but is less convenient.
@@1mctous I don't know if my ears will be able to tell a difference. I actually purchased the RT-85. I haven't been home to set it up yet to compare it to my 80s vintage Technics turntable.
@@AaronMal1978 Very different flavors. Direct-drive is aptly named: it has a lot more torque than belt drive and thus subjectively a lot more drive but at the expense of refinement and added noise. I prefer belt drive's lower noise floor and greater refinement but your priorities may differ.
@@1mctous that's my understanding. I'm still trying to decide if I'll use my AVR's phono input for the Fluance or my separate pre-amp (a Bellari)
They are a great company. They sent me two to giveaway. Which I did but wish I still had one for myself. It's amazing that the n just 4 hours you got more views them my video showing I was giving it away. Very cool and happy that you got so many great followers and subscribers. Great video as always Frank. Keep up the great work.
It looks like a fun turntable, but it lacks adjustable anti-skate.
You have to rely on the factory setting the anti-skate properly for the cartridge that comes with it.
This can be an issue when upgrading to a better cartridge that needs a different anti-skating force.
Btw, I also keep packaging, but only those of my turntables.
So if I ever want to sell the turntable online, I don't have to improvise reliable packaging for shipping, because that's a pain in the ass with turntables.
Dustcovers and tonearm bearings are easily damaged in transit, especially if it has to be shipped by air mail.
Hi Frank,
Great vid, will you be reviewing more gear in the future,?
For sure!
Frank saw in the background of a previous video what looked like a Hitachi PS-48? Picked one up myself about 4 months ago and absolutely love it! So good in fact I sold my Rega Planar 3 on eBay.... What do you think of yours...maybe a review for those of us stuck in our houses🤔
Hope all is well and safe in your house... Keep spinning!
Yes, I love the Hitachi. I found it at a garage sale about 10 years ago for $10. Classy looking and sounds great. I should do a vid on my turntables.
Frank
Hi Frank, will you do a review of the Fluance TT? You could make some comparisons to this one if you like.
Frank did review the RT 85 from Fluance.
Here is my review of the Fluance RT-85: ruclips.net/video/6x9IPI1-e5s/видео.html
Hello, when you tested it did you experience an unbalance with speakers? I have one, and I notice left channel sounds better than right. Right channel has a lower volume, left one sounds with more bass and volume. I suspect the anti skate wasn't set properly. Thanks.
Thanks Frank. We had never heard of this company. Is it standard for companies to use other companies parts, like the Audio Technica cartridge? We have an old Pioneer PL-600 belt-driven turntable from the 90’s as our backup. Our primary is the Audio Technica AT-LP120. BTW: Nice haircut. Lookin’ fresh on lockdown! 😎
Yes, it's common for turntable brands to use other company's parts... specifically the cartridge/stylus. As for the haircut... I figured it would be awhile before I had another chance to get the locks chopped!
Thanks for the comment.
Frank
If it doesn't have antiskating, are you risking damaging your records with that turntable?
Frank, nice video thanks, by the way what app do you use for the rpm meter
It is called "RPM Speed and Wow." It is a free download from the Google Play store for Android.
Looks nice. Someday it might be interesting to have unused vinyl player. I haven't experienced smell of new record player.
I didn't know that there is mobile app for testing rpm. I downloaded righ away one.
I got with other one 33,40 and other one was better.
What is app called that you use?
mr. Finglish (Bäd English Recs)
It is called "RPM Speed and Wow." It's a free download from the Google Play store.
Frank
I was going to buy the basic and put my own empire cart on it. Would that work?
Thanks for sharing the videos with us!! Peace
Hope all is well Rod.
Frank
From the label, that looks like a clean first press of are you experienced. Is it a first press?
I'm not sure if it's first, but it is an early mono press. Sharp eye!
Can I plug the RC cable into the back of my 15 yr old Bose Loudspeaker? The Bose has apparently identical audio in jacks.
Should I buy the Ethos speakers with this turn table?
This table seems super simple for those that want no frills but wow, not a fan of the looks or build quality for the price. An AT LP120 seems like a much better table to invest in at this price point.
How is build quality in question? Have you ever used a U-Turn? Just curious where that critique is coming from when it’s proven as a functionally reliable and durable unit.
I have the lp60x and when I play 180 gram vinyl and some other vinyl it tends to skip. Will this turntable skip at all when playing more hefty vinyl ? Or should I not worry at all
Frank telling it like it is. I’m glad you liked it, but we’re honest about things you were not so impressed with. It does look like a great entry level turntable. Any news on your search for a sl-1200?
I found a 1210 MK2 locally... looks nice, but have to wait until this situation is over to check it out (assuming he still has it). Cheers man!
Channel 33 RPM awesome! Hopefully this ends soon. Nice job finding one locally!
Dude! An Atari VGS (2600)! Man I had one of those!
Hey Andy! Sharp eye! That is my original 2600, which I got for Christmas as a kid (I'm thinking it was 1982). Still is great shape.
Thanks for the comment.
Frank
Channel 33 RPM I got an Atari VCS for Christmas back in 1981. I was in 8th grade. I wore out the joysticks twice and had to buy they repair kits they used to sell that had a new PCB to put inside. I miss the days of companies selling parts and letting you fix your own stuff.
Cool video!! Enjoyed it!!
Is the motor quite? I have a pro ject elemental ,the letdown is it has motor rumble. I think I can fix that with a DJ preamp from Amazon, it least I hope so.
The motor noise seems ok on this one.
Aaron Z if the Project is under warranty you should request a replacement motor. It shouldn’t rumble.
does anyone know what the kind of speakers to get for this? i’m at a loss 😭 trying to get the one that has a built in preamp
Great review!
Hey Frank could you check your recording level before filming. You are quite often way louder than necessary.
This was was recorded in two sessions, with two different setups, so unfortunately the volume is not even all the way through. I should figure out a way to normalize volume, but for the most part, I'm winging it!
Thanks for tuning in. I appreciate the feedback.
Frank
Channel 33 RPM
Wasn’t meant to be rude sorry and your not the only one, RUclips is very amateurish across the board
Add the acrylic platter 👍❤️
Is there an upgrade option from the MDF platter to an acrylic one?
I believe it's all customizable.
Is that an Atari 1600 chillin on the shelf?
2600... you bet. My original one I got for Christmas as a kid.
This is more expensive that an AT LP60 which includes auto start and stop as well as a tone arm lift. This turntable doesn’t seem like the price matches the value. I also think it’s a bad idea to have to move the belt to change speed. It seems to me that is creating extra wear on the belt that could be avoided with a simple button or lever to change the speed. I really thought this brand was supposed to be a higher quality than AT. Maybe it is in the materials but certainly not in the function.
What was that app you used to measure RPMs?
It'a called "RPM Speed and Wow" for Android.
Hey frank!!! first coment!! Love your channel, keep the good work.
Colecovision!
I have a 300 dollar denon that i love
Well well...RPM android apps giving different speeds, the Wow being faster. Great.
first time to see a manual belt switch required to change speeds. have i lived a sheltered life?
Good vid but too much back and forth between the two at times
It's often to cover up a jump cut
I have a Thorens am not statisfied qua quality for the ecpensive price so am very carefull with thise newcomers i have a philips from 1962 and a sony turntable from the mid 90's both are excellent...
I don't wish to sound snobbish, because I am not. That being said, regardless of the reviews, the Ortofon 2m blue is my bare minimum cart. The 2m red is just too basic and lacks much. I just can't enjoy a vinyl setup that just doesn't extract much more than midrange. In real truth, the 2m Bronze or black are more my speed. I say this because hipsters are getting into vinyl (good for the industry) but some of the basic setups really fall short of "high fidelity". I don't want a rig just to say I have one, it needs to work well.
for another 175 canadian I'd rather have project debut the cart on debut alone would make up the difference in cost ...also very bad business in my opinion to make the lever an upsell seems a bit tacky just my humble opinion
do not recommend manual turntable for beginners risk to high for damage stylus....and having to get up before record finish..pitchecur...pitchecur...pitchecur..can destroy the love of it...
leftbreak vinyl as long as they get the lift, they should have no problem. Unless the person is a real clutz.
Nah.. Fluance sells their rt-81 for 30 bucks more with more features and a better cartridge and canada is close enough to made in usa for me at least it aint chinese, most importantly they dont sell the goddamn cue lever as a seperate purchase
Love the fact that it is manufactured in the USA, BUT by the time you add the “extras” (pre-amp and cue lever) you are looking at $289. I’m sorry but for that price point you can get a turntable with improved specs and many more features (including what they charge as “extras” and basic things like anti-skate, better stylus, etc)....
Aside from the simplistic look and a fetish to play with rubber bands, not sure why Hipsters keep this company afloat.
As Frank noted U-Turn specs are quite conservative. I've heard Fluance, Pro-Ject, A-T, and Rega turntables in person and only the Rega sounds better than U-Turn in the under-$500 price range.
Martin Tousignant
Martin I get it, but I also assume that the U-Turn you heard did not use that Audio-Technica stylus and probably had an acrylic platter. Again things which further raise the price. Im not saying they are bad, I just feel that they are over priced on the entry level of $179 which so many standard features being non-existent.
@@dannyrodriguez5420 I'll admit I haven't heard the exact same combination but I have heard the AT95E on other turntables. It is easily the best $50 cartridge I've ever heard. I've also heard the modest Carbon (AT3600) on the Rega P1 and can attest that Rega's turntable and tonearm are so good that even the Carbon can sound good. You can rightly infer that I have nothing against A-T overall, I'm just not an AT120 fan.
Martin Tousignant
Well I can agree with you on the Audio-Technica ATN95 stylus being a great stylus at the price point. Being a “budget” music listener, I can attest that stylus is the best at that price point IMO.
I’ve heard these turntables are good but damn... they’re just so ugly and cheap looking!😆. I always prefer vintage but IF I were to buy brand new, I’d definitely go with the Fluance reference turntables. I’d spend the extra 50 something bucks for good looks and tbh better quality components.
You know what happened me frank. Order record the cranberries from amazon guess what send me misfits vinyl didn’t order it you ever have that problem
Yes, it has happened to me once before... I ordered Motley Crue and got The Fugees lol
Channel 33 RPM lol fugees