Things to keep in mind: Tunnel cover was open Bigger rims and tires were on truck. Tesla will offer smaller 19s with smaller tires. With the same setup and those two variables range by my estimates should be closer to 180-200. That’s not far off from my Silverado towing and I only tow a 3000k lbs utility trailer this setup is closer to 5k lbs.
Great things to remember! At some point, it would be nice to run the test AGAIN once I have access to smaller wheels and have the cover closed! Thanks for the comment!
I’m in Montreal Canada with -12C this morning. I own a 2020 MYP. I still believe EVs to be an Urban MUST solution to reduce pollution. I also have a Tesla charger at home and rarely go to Super Chargers. I do believe the future trailers and motor homes will have motors and batteries. There are already solutions for sale. EV is the way to go!
1. Thanks for actually doing a video that is actually useful to all that are waiting to hear about towing. 2. Look forward to follow up videos and I have subscribed!
Sweet, I will just replace my taller travel trailer with a model Y and just cram my family in the Y when we go on our trips. This will definitely get us closer to where we want to go.
Range is not an issue as long as there are fast chargers on the way especially superchargers. Better having more fast chargers than having bigger batteries to carry all the time. And "we" need fast charger stalls dedicated to towing vehicles.
As more people adopt EVs and other companies switching to the TSLA plug standard the stalls are going to busy with other EV owners. At my mall people sit in the parkinglot and wait for stalls to open up. Huge issue with the weaker infrastructure.
@@thundercat6963 perhaps, though since Teslas are already about 2/3rds of EVs in the US, if all the rest started using Superchargers that'd only be a 50% increase, and I've almost never had to wait for a charge, there are usually plenty of available chargers. And since all the other high speed charge networks have said they're supporting NACS (Tesla), that should add to the charge capacity available to everyone using NACS charging, in addition to of course Tesla Superchargers building out fast.
Uhhhhh....range is certainly an issue, especially when towing. If the range is 150 miles, you really need to be pulling off at 120 miles to have some reserves of something does not work. Then, you need a trailer friendly charger that is available. Then you need at minimum 45mins to get 120 more miles (shorter than the initial leg). Every two hours, you have a 1 hour total stop. You are looking for unicorn chargers that can do trailers or find yourself disconnecting and reconnecting the trailer. My little RAM 1500 basic gets about 250 miles with the exact same load, I can carry 2 little jerry cans that give me a 120 mile backup. All gas stations work fine with trailers like this. I like EVs and own 2, but the battery tech and charging infrastructure is not even in the ballpark of being ready for this type of driving.
It is hilarious how range was the most important metric to Tesla stans, until they found out Cybertruck range sucks. Now suddenly range is just a waste of batteries. Still crying that Elon lied about 500 miles?
Any criticism you have for the cybertruck on range with a trailer is down to you're an experienced with pulling trailers with internal combustion vehicles. They suffer the at least the amount of range loss you do. In our case we had a 15-passenger van that would get 25% of range. Yes it would use four times as much fuel when pulling the trailer. Driver that did this was an aggressive driver On Hills he would attempt to drive is normal 80 Mi an hour and the transmission with downshift twice I believe to second gear. So red lining in a 15 passenger van pulling a covered trailer. Sometimes he would get as low as 5 Mi a gallon gal.
Thanks for do ing this test. I know a lot of people are interested in the results. I am mainly interested in how many miles you can go while towing. Example. 318 is the rated miles at 100%. If you go 100 miles without towing and you got rated miles range then you would have 218 rated miles left (at 65 mph maybe close to that?). If you do the same thing while towing I would expect you would have 118 left because I am expecting to loose 50% of your rated range while towing. Maybe that is easy to calculate with the numbers you have? Another youtube range tester was not getting rated range at 70 mph and without towing so important to know. That particular test by out of spec youtube got a LOT of negative press about CT because it was not view as very good. Of course all testing needs to be at same speed and location. Interesting about the wind in your test. Elevation can also be an issue. Again, takes for the testing.
@@tv-ld3wvI would for sure close the tonneau cover. Not sure about "huge" though. But, would be interesting to know the difference. I plan to sometimes carry dirt bikes in mine so that would require tonneau cover to be open. And, on a rare occasion I will need to tow a Polaris RZR Turbo S 4-door on a trailer so pretty interested in these results.
@@d21mike I know, it's real life testing tonneau cover opened But i want to know if it's better to have a trailer for "dirt bikes" instead of opening tonneau cover Or opening tonneau cover for dirt bike Aerodynamics perspective 🤔
@tv-ld3wv most trailers will weigh much more than several dirtbikes. The bikes will still have wind resistance even in a trailer, idk how adding weight with a trailer could get better mileage than just putting them in the back. And that's if you have a super lightweight small trailer. Any real trailer for doing any amount of work will weigh 1k-2k. I just don't think adding all that weight would be counteracted by closing the bed cover.
@@jacobmiller6664 Agree I don't know the exact result for cybertruck with dirt bikes But aerodynamics is the major factor Weight comes second Opening tonneau cover for any pickup is an efficiency nightmare in general but especially for EVs
Nothing beats a diesel for towing performance and range, but modern diesels do not do well with short, frequent trips because the diesel particulate filters clog. My driving miles are split 50/50 between towing miles (300 miles round trip) and short trips to town. I got so tired of having to do active regens on my diesel 1 ton, that I bought a model Y for around town driving and I keep the 1 ton loaded for towing/camping. Sure would be nice to have one vehicle that could handle both tasks, but something tells me that my WH/mile is going to be closer to 1000 towing my 30 ft toy hauler even at 55 mph. I'm going to need a bigger battery (kills my precious payload), pull through chargers, EV assist axles on my trailer, or a software set up that allows me to charge off of my trailer's house generator while I'm towing to make this work and replace both vehicles with the cybertruck.
Very fascinating perspective. I wholeheartedly agree with you, diesel towing for performance and range is not comparable with EV, but for local, in town hauling, EVs will do just fine IMO. Thanks for your input!
@@VoyageATX I'm in the Eastern Sierra and can drive to nearly 10,000 ft within 20 miles of my driveway. I'm not even sure towing locally is an option for me. I might have to run some tests with my Model Y and a motorcycle trailer. I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers towing a travel trailer (your setup is still fairly aerodynamic compared to travel trailers which has the greatest affect on range) but I appreciate your video. There's not much towing info out there yet and I'm trying to figure out if I need to cancel my pre-order until range specs greatly improve.
You forget two aspects: Service cost, Environmental cost, Rising cost for spare parts and labor, Rising cost for fossil ressources - whether its Diesel, Gazoline LNG or coal. I agree: For this specific purpose, hauling really heavy loads you will need a real truck like a Mercedes or Volvo, Maybe even a Scania. Not those little Fords or GMs. Maybe even a Tesla Semi could be more cost effective.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Environmental cost: A new car, regardless of how it is propelled, is bad for environment. Cybertruck is EXTREMELY bad for the environment. BEV are more expensive to buy. They sell okay because of heavy subsidies. Spare parts for BEV are the same, or more expensive, than ICE cars. Tesla Semi stands no chance compared to Volvo and Scania when it comes to proper trucks/lorries. Tesla Semi is a joke compared to the professionals.
@@Xanthopteryx That is simply wrong. A new FOSSIL car is bad for the environment. It produces poison that your children must breath. A new EV does not rpodcue posion at all. And if you and your neighbors use PV and wind power then your electricity is completely free of hurting your kids.
Tbh doubt it will make a HUGE difference. It will be better but by a marginal amount. When you tow you need raw KW battery, no way around it unfortunately.
not as much as towing something big, or it being cold, or having tires that can do anything offroad or in the snow, or god forbid you encountered a hill or mountain
I wish a company would make a trailer with a battery pack and maybe an electric motor to assist with the towing I do think there some be a standard for communication for the vehicle speed acceleration and also braking purposes.
In Europe, there is a caravan (camping trailer) that's been out a couple of years with a battery bed. A RUclips was done crossing the Alps. The caravan's computer provides just enough propulsion to give zero pull on the car.
Crazy anyone is trying to justify this as being good. The cover isn’t going add that much range. Y’all are playing the what if game too much. It’s a mall crawler truck. It can’t go off road and it can’t tow. Let’s just call it what it is.
Yeah basically what I expected. Dogshit range but great otherwise. I can tow 11k with my F-350 Diesel and easily get 300 miles going 75-80mph. I can get almost 750 at 65mph running empty. I’m beyond unimpressed with electric range both in my Model 3 and all the other electric trucks out there.
He could use the battery of the cybertruck to recharge the model Y. So it would be like a range extender. one thing no one seems to be thinking about is how much cheaper the cybertruck can tow that far compared to a gas powered truck.
Very normal for EVs, and all vehicles, to lose a lot of range towing. As an example, my truck gets ~20 MPG on the highway normally, 8 MPG while towing my 6000 lb TT. The kicker with EVs is the limited size of the 'fuel tank'. Also, EVs tend to be aero-optimized whereas trailers are not which hurts on an ICE but really puts the hurt on EVs which are more aerodynamic. A solution: slow down! Which you should do no matter what you tow with.
A big diesel is the fastest way to tow. An electric truck is the most responsible way to tow. I don’t mind taking a little more time if it means I’m doing my part for a sustainable future for future generations.
Towing is not really about weight it’s about the aero drag of the trailer and frontal area of the trailer. This is a super efficient trailer set up - put a box trailer behind and it will chalk and cheese
Meanwhile, towing in Sweden is like: www.tidningendacksnack.se/upload/news/1711135163.jpg (actually a pretty big car - i often see much smaller ones towing really big stuff)
Tesla should make an update for the cybertruck so that if you are towing another Tesla you can access its cameras on screen for better visibility while reversing or changing lanes
I have see trailers that have a camera on the back and I think it is wired up to the truck some how so that you can see the camera feed on the truck screen. I am guessing I saw this in a F-150. I wonder if Tesla has put any thought into this?
Why you don't use it in standard mode but chill instead? It gives you no difference in consumption. If you tow it in standard mode, you wouldn't feel the weight at all.. Oh my god...
Was there anything you could plug in to the computer to indicate you were towing, tell it how much it weighed etc so it could make adjustments to regen braking and range estimates and what not? Edit: never mind I saw you addressed that at end of vid. Cool that it auto detected as much as it could.
Thanks for the video. Obviously there is still some taking to do on the CT when it comes to range and the new batteries arent perfected yet, but it can only get better as more data experience comes in to the Tesla engineers. I'm curious why the towed vehicle could not be left in a standard parking bay whilst the CT would be at the charger, rather than occupying several charging bays. Just curious.
How can you say that the cybertruck isn’t as good as gas powered vehicles when it comes to towing when by your own admission you don’t have much experience towing in general. Tesla’s EV’s appear to use an extra 30-50% energy when towing. Gas/diesel vehicles use the same amount of extra energy when towing, except they’re carrying much more fuel onboard in the form of gas or diesel. That means they can go a longer distance by burning more fuel not because they’ve got better efficiency. It’s important to make apples to apples comparisons when trying to draw meaningful conclusions.
That totally doesn't matter in reality. No EV is usable for serious towing. It may pull your 2,500 pound boat to the lake round the corner. But that is about all you can do.
over-all seems about like i expected. Still sad that the truck didn't come with a larger battery, but then again cells are at a premium right now and realistically most people who get this thing wont tow... just like 90% of allllllll truck owners. I would suggest tieing down your load a bit better... do need straps going forward and rear... rear super important if you need to emergency break. Anyway thanks for the video... great to get info out there that is real world, non-approved.
Battery = Weight. If you want a really heavy beast you could wait for the Silverado. But what do you do the rest of the time when not towing 11.000 pounds with the 1 ton extra weight?
As far as I have seen you are the first person to really do something like this on YT so thank you. Once TFL does their IKE test in the cold its going to be a eye opening day.
56 degrees, 32% used to go 55 miles on relatively flat roads with a somewhat aero load and sub 5k weight. That isn't terrible but the CTs have poor charging curves so that means a decent downtime every 150 miles. A different channel did a unladen road trip and in cold weather could only do about 110 miles going from 85% to 20% going 80ish in roads where that was the flow of traffic. For regional trip with good super charger infrastructure in warm weather it will be fine at best. In cold weather or with un-aero loads or more weight you would be nuts to try to use this thing for distances.
According to customers the mpg of a unloaded Ford is about 10-15 mpg @ 80 mph. My guess is about 640Wh/mile for the CT @ constant 80 mph. 100 miles = 8-10 gallons @ 4.70 = 47 US$/100 miles or 47 cents/mile. 100 miles = 64kWh @ 0,30 = 19,2 US$/100 miles or 19 cents/mile A Ford F150 costs around 60K. A CT costs around 80K. The difference in energy cost alone is amortized 71K miles. When you add the additional service costs for the F150. Oil changes every 10K miles when you drive it that hard. Injectors, Filters, Belts etc. It’s roughly about 50K miles. Your mileage may vary.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 No doubt the CT would be cheaper to run ignoring the fact that an F150 starts actually start around $34k+ (good luck finding one) and the only available CTs start at 80k+. The real issue is that anyone who tows distances regularly for work or fun can't stop for 40mins every 1.5-2hrs. If you only do it a few times a year then you can just plan for the extended trip but otherwise it isnt realistic. Also a CT will have maintenance and preople regularly get 200k-400k miles out of work trucks if maintained. Battery packs last longer these days but when they go its costly.
@@theBeachBusRI I do not get such cheap vehicles. What i get is a VW E-Crafter for 83K Euros, a Ford E-Transit for 68K or a Fiat E-Ducato for the same amount of money. The comparison with the F150 was only meant as a comparison. Of course you can also buy a old rusty F150 for 150,-- from the scrapyard and drive it until it falls apart. Batteries are not the point. They outlast the vehicles many times over. They are not the same as the Nissan leaf or VW E-Golf or Mitsubishi MiIEV from 2010. What IS the point is that EVs are already cheaper from beginning to their end. Their total cost of ownership is - apples compared at least with pears or carrots and not with 200 year old pans - already lower than their fossil competitors. Of course the buying price - the MSRP as you call it - is higher. All the apparent running cost of a fossil vehicle are priced into that. I can assure you - of course i can not proof it, EVs are not available for such a long time - that the batteries are the least of your woes with EVs. The first point is: Does GM, Ford, Stellantis deliver inexpensive or even free updates and will they produce the electronics needed to repair ALL their cars in 20 years from now? Tesla most certainly does NOT do that! What a surprise! They dropped their first gen roadsters into the public domain and open sourced everything. And they openly admit that they will sometimes do the same with their other vehicles. Its just not profitable to maintain such old tech just for the sake of a few thousand customers. Harsh but its the reality. And honest. Just one example how the OEMs do that: Try to get a new ECU for a Chrysler from 2015. And someone who does not take your left kidney for the programming services needed. Good luck. SMA - South Main Auto just made a very interesting video about that.
You were very lucky here: not to have been pulled over and not to have caused a huge accident! Doesn’t look like you had put opposing straps on the Model Y’s tyres! What did you imagine would stop the car from flying into your Cybertruck in the event you had to brake hard? I suggest you take some guidance on how to tow and restrain loads safely before ever trying such an exercise again…
So 100Miles . Just won't work to take a camper out of Texas. I guess I would need to design my camper with a battery and generator to keep it rolling a bit further. Cool, seeing this. One day, I will see a cyber truck in the area. Maybe I need the tesla semi and tesla gooseneck setup. I had a dream about. Coming in future 😆
I had 688 wh/miles towing my Model 3 AWD with my Lightning at 65 mph. Conclusion : towing with all pickup ev have the same efficiency, it’s the trailer that dictated the range not the pickup. More range = more kWh (as Silverado EV).
Most of the time i would have to carry 1 ton extra with the Silverado without using or needing it. That makes no sense. Its the same as carrying a belly full of beer just because i need it once a month when partying.
No reason to believe it can’t be used. But I always use this map I find it much easier to orient myself. I find the satellite distracting and hard to find roads that aren’t on my highlighted route. Personal preference.
Every diesel I’ve had the fuel efficiency drops about 35-40%. So I’m not sure why the critics have a fit about range while towing. Maybe people in general don’t quite understand what the economical impact is or they are worried about making it to the next charging stations. Btw. The gasoline trucks I had dropped by about 50% in economy.
Because you can fill a diesel truck at any loves or Sinclair in about 10 minutes. And those places are designed for tractor trailers, so having a trailer isn't a problem. I've seen several tests with electric trucks where the trailer made charging very inconvenient. I'm not trying to say the CT is bad or anything, but if you really need to tow, it's clearly not the right choice. And yes diesels lose mileage when towing, but my truck can go 700 miles on one tank with 2 dirtbikes in the back, towing my camper definitely reduces the range, but it's still further than an empty cybertruck can go. Again, I think the CT is a cool new truck that for some people will work well, but if you are actually hauling it won't be able to beat a diesel truck.
@@jacobmiller6664 you must have an absolutely enormous tank because the most I ever got in my ram 2500 was about 450 miles without towing. If I had to toe on a regular basis, I would never choose an electric truck. But I tow maybe one or two times a year. I just think that the general perspective and perception is that the Evies should have better range while towing and that’s not true of any vehicle towing
@@thatcarlifeR8 my tank is 36 gallons, and I get 22-24 mpg on the freeway (while not towing obviously). I agree that people are probably overly harsh on EVs towing range, all trucks lose a lot when towing big, but like I said, you can refill diesel trucks extremely quickly to full (not 80% like electric), and they have greater range to begin with, so they aren't scrutinized as much in regards to towing losses. But for the majority of 1500 owners that use their truck to drive to work and maybe put a sofa in the bed once a year the cybertruck would be great for that. My only complaint is how all these guys that drive 20 miles a day and never haul or tow proclaim that range isn't actually important, when it is for a lot of us that haul frequently.
@@jacobmiller6664 so I’m a general contractor. I just traded my ram 2500 for a Rivian. I ordered it two years ago and it’s already for sale but I just don’t need a big diesel truck, to be honest I don’t like trucks, they’re big slow can’t park anywhere. And because I’m a general I’ve had full-size trucks for 20 years. That said a couple of years ago I bought a three-quarter ton diesel sprinter van for the employees to you, so I almost never need to haul anything anymore, so I literally was commuting and just throwing money down the drain. The best my truck with the 6.7 Cummins ever got was average 17 miles per gallon. Where I live I had to be emissions compliant so it still has everything on it. I’m likely going to get the ram electric truck when it comes out. But I can tell you this after driving this Rivian for a week and a half you get back into a gasoline powered vehicle and he literally think yourself that these things were assembled by caveman. Not to mention the amount of things that it can do that my big diesel could not. Like 0 to 60 in 3.4 seconds. The ability to accelerate out of danger, which I’ve already had to do twice. The smooth ride is ridiculous, so for a commuter vehicle I think an EV is fine and I likely wouldn’t own one but I have two gas powered vehicles also for doing cross country stuff. So it’s not perfect but I think that ultimately having an electric gas hybrid truck would be the best of both worlds and I think that Ram is coming out with one in the fall. The truck bed on my Rivian is just laughably small and doesn’t work. 4.5’. I thought I could get away with that but literally on day one I had to go and get something that didn’t fit. At the time I ordered it it was really the only viable option. And I just figured that if I couldn’t use that I would sell it.
@@thatcarlifeR8 yeah I agree with everything you said. I'm also a contractor, not a general tho. I'd keep my Sprinter over everything, I have the 4 cyl and it can get 21 or 22 fully loaded, I'm not even sure what it gets empty as it's always full! Like you said, most GC I see at a job never haul anything anyways, I know several that drive small little cars since they never need anything bigger, and in that case I think a cybertruck or electric would work great. I'm also very interested in that new ram coming out, we will have to see how well it actually performs, but I like seeing new ideas. In your case a rivian or similar makes a lot of sense, which I'm totally happy to admit (although a 4.5 foot bed is pretty lame haha, 20 sheets of plywood hanging out that far past the rear axle would be sketchy I'm sure.) It just isn't good for all use cases, which I seem to be hearing a lot from tesla guys who have never cared about trucks until now.
The range getting cut in half is not an Eevee problem it's a trailer problem. When driving a solar powered car across the country support trailer that followed Along on another route. It would regularly get between 5 and 8 Mi per gallon. So the gas vehicle had one third to 1/4 of the range it would have normally gotten normally gotten. Now having said that I could get better mileage that are normal trailer driver.
Honestly, there’s nothing better for short distance towing than an EV. The massive power and torque gives you so much control. If I had a construction site or a marina, a Cybertruck would be incredible for moving heavy stuff and launching and pulling out boats. It’s only when you go long distances that the time it takes to recharge them becomes annoying. I pull a 7,000 lb RV with a gas V8 with 400 hp and 400 torque, I can only imagine 600 hp and 900 torque (or whatever EV trucks have) The only problem is when you get out to where RVs go, there’s not enough charging infrastructure yet. But again, if I had a construction company and the vehicles stayed nearby, an EV truck would be awesome- once they get cheap enough and not a novelty. Ford will probably be the most successful with that at first.
Thank you for the video. I’m going to be sweating it towing my boat up in the mountains to go fishing. Can you please take a couple measurements for me? I would like to know the distance across the peak of the vehicle, distance across the back of the vehicle (across the top of the tailgate), and the distance from the top peak to the top of the tailgate? Thanks!
I'd like to make a request. When showing the dash/screen info on camera can you go close enough and hold a few seconds so viewers can pause video and see info CLEARLY, that you don't mention, but is of interest ... for analysis/comparison. Thank You.
Would be nice to know how much cheaper it was to make that trip on Electricity than Gas or Diesel. Also you should add a video clip showing all the Superchargers along that trip since the range should be enough that you can always reach a charger etc. so you do lose some time charging more but you still have no problem reaching a destination. I don't think most non Tesla owners realize how many chargers are out there and that's not counting destination chargers etc.
I didn't watch the full video but if he used 100% of the battery, it would cost anywhere from $20-60 depending on the cost per Kw. Home can be as low as $.12 or on the road can be up to $.69.
@@herbfst I drove my model 3 to Seattle from Wisconsin last summer and charging at Tesla superchargers was usually around 35 cents. I can charge at home for 9 cents but I have solar so it's really free at home. I have a Dodge ram pickup that gets 12 MPG Has never got better than 14 when not towing. Usually around 6 MPG towing. So I'm going to say that the cybertruck is way cheaper than gas. Also for most people those long haul towing trips are not going to be common.
Based on the 665 Wh/mi and the 124KWh battery pack, it would do around 186 miles. The truck by itself got around 254 miles in the 70 mph test Out of Spec did in Austin.
Towing without the extended range makes a lot of sense. May as well just tow it with a Hummer. The CyberTruck has the extended range option for people who plan on towing long distances. Smh!
It's WHPM is less than my Y. So, at least it'll make it between chargers without an issue. One time I had to drop my trailer at a gas station and go the next 10 miles without it. 🤦
Have never dared to tow with a vehicle that has no spare tire. (For the tow vehicle. Towing my own stuff, mandatory spare for the trailer as well.). If there's a flat on the CT, does that mean two tow trucks? Or do you just get the CT towed and leave your trailer behind on the side of the road?
Welcome to Sweden. Here we use regular cars to tow. Most of them do not have spare tire. IF something happens, then they of course tow both of you, but that it is rare to have a flat tire if you have proper tires and take care of them.
Things to keep in mind:
Tunnel cover was open
Bigger rims and tires were on truck. Tesla will offer smaller 19s with smaller tires.
With the same setup and those two variables range by my estimates should be closer to 180-200.
That’s not far off from my Silverado towing and I only tow a 3000k lbs utility trailer this setup is closer to 5k lbs.
Great things to remember! At some point, it would be nice to run the test AGAIN once I have access to smaller wheels and have the cover closed! Thanks for the comment!
*tonneau cover
Tunnel cover = does not matter much at all in this case
Bigger rims and tires = does not matter much at all in this case
But if you towed a real boxy, non-aerodynamic trailer at more common higher speeds, it would be much worse than it already is.
A test with the Tonnaeu cover closed is really needed because that aero loss can be really significant at highway speeds.
I’m in Montreal Canada with -12C this morning. I own a 2020 MYP. I still believe EVs to be an Urban MUST solution to reduce pollution. I also have a Tesla charger at home and rarely go to Super Chargers. I do believe the future trailers and motor homes will have motors and batteries. There are already solutions for sale. EV is the way to go!
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it’s important to note that having auto-pilot or cruise control on actually uses more power than driving yourself.
1. Thanks for actually doing a video that is actually useful to all that are waiting to hear about towing. 2. Look forward to follow up videos and I have subscribed!
Thanks so much! Happy you enjoy the content!
Sweet, I will just replace my taller travel trailer with a model Y and just cram my family in the Y when we go on our trips. This will definitely get us closer to where we want to go.
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Please repeat the test with the cover closed…extremely valuablr info esp considering you have the data for the load with the cover open
Range is not an issue as long as there are fast chargers on the way especially superchargers. Better having more fast chargers than having bigger batteries to carry all the time. And "we" need fast charger stalls dedicated to towing vehicles.
As more people adopt EVs and other companies switching to the TSLA plug standard the stalls are going to busy with other EV owners. At my mall people sit in the parkinglot and wait for stalls to open up. Huge issue with the weaker infrastructure.
@@thundercat6963agree! It’s a huge issue that everyone seems to over look.
@@thundercat6963 perhaps, though since Teslas are already about 2/3rds of EVs in the US, if all the rest started using Superchargers that'd only be a 50% increase, and I've almost never had to wait for a charge, there are usually plenty of available chargers. And since all the other high speed charge networks have said they're supporting NACS (Tesla), that should add to the charge capacity available to everyone using NACS charging, in addition to of course Tesla Superchargers building out fast.
Uhhhhh....range is certainly an issue, especially when towing.
If the range is 150 miles, you really need to be pulling off at 120 miles to have some reserves of something does not work. Then, you need a trailer friendly charger that is available. Then you need at minimum 45mins to get 120 more miles (shorter than the initial leg).
Every two hours, you have a 1 hour total stop. You are looking for unicorn chargers that can do trailers or find yourself disconnecting and reconnecting the trailer.
My little RAM 1500 basic gets about 250 miles with the exact same load, I can carry 2 little jerry cans that give me a 120 mile backup. All gas stations work fine with trailers like this.
I like EVs and own 2, but the battery tech and charging infrastructure is not even in the ballpark of being ready for this type of driving.
It is hilarious how range was the most important metric to Tesla stans, until they found out Cybertruck range sucks. Now suddenly range is just a waste of batteries. Still crying that Elon lied about 500 miles?
Any criticism you have for the cybertruck on range with a trailer is down to you're an experienced with pulling trailers with internal combustion vehicles.
They suffer the at least the amount of range loss you do.
In our case we had a 15-passenger van that would get 25% of range. Yes it would use four times as much fuel when pulling the trailer.
Driver that did this was an aggressive driver
On Hills he would attempt to drive is normal 80 Mi an hour and the transmission with downshift twice I believe to second gear. So red lining in a 15 passenger van pulling a covered trailer. Sometimes he would get as low as 5 Mi a gallon gal.
Thanks for do ing this test. I know a lot of people are interested in the results. I am mainly interested in how many miles you can go while towing. Example. 318 is the rated miles at 100%. If you go 100 miles without towing and you got rated miles range then you would have 218 rated miles left (at 65 mph maybe close to that?). If you do the same thing while towing I would expect you would have 118 left because I am expecting to loose 50% of your rated range while towing. Maybe that is easy to calculate with the numbers you have? Another youtube range tester was not getting rated range at 70 mph and without towing so important to know. That particular test by out of spec youtube got a LOT of negative press about CT because it was not view as very good. Of course all testing needs to be at same speed and location. Interesting about the wind in your test. Elevation can also be an issue. Again, takes for the testing.
If tonneau cover was closed, would make a huge difference
@@tv-ld3wvI would for sure close the tonneau cover. Not sure about "huge" though. But, would be interesting to know the difference. I plan to sometimes carry dirt bikes in mine so that would require tonneau cover to be open. And, on a rare occasion I will need to tow a Polaris RZR Turbo S 4-door on a trailer so pretty interested in these results.
@@d21mike
I know, it's real life testing tonneau cover opened
But i want to know if it's better to have a trailer for "dirt bikes" instead of opening tonneau cover
Or opening tonneau cover for dirt bike
Aerodynamics perspective 🤔
@tv-ld3wv most trailers will weigh much more than several dirtbikes. The bikes will still have wind resistance even in a trailer, idk how adding weight with a trailer could get better mileage than just putting them in the back. And that's if you have a super lightweight small trailer. Any real trailer for doing any amount of work will weigh 1k-2k. I just don't think adding all that weight would be counteracted by closing the bed cover.
@@jacobmiller6664
Agree
I don't know the exact result for cybertruck with dirt bikes
But aerodynamics is the major factor
Weight comes second
Opening tonneau cover for any pickup is an efficiency nightmare in general but especially for EVs
These videos are awesome!
Thank you so much James!!!
Nothing beats a diesel for towing performance and range, but modern diesels do not do well with short, frequent trips because the diesel particulate filters clog. My driving miles are split 50/50 between towing miles (300 miles round trip) and short trips to town. I got so tired of having to do active regens on my diesel 1 ton, that I bought a model Y for around town driving and I keep the 1 ton loaded for towing/camping. Sure would be nice to have one vehicle that could handle both tasks, but something tells me that my WH/mile is going to be closer to 1000 towing my 30 ft toy hauler even at 55 mph. I'm going to need a bigger battery (kills my precious payload), pull through chargers, EV assist axles on my trailer, or a software set up that allows me to charge off of my trailer's house generator while I'm towing to make this work and replace both vehicles with the cybertruck.
Very fascinating perspective. I wholeheartedly agree with you, diesel towing for performance and range is not comparable with EV, but for local, in town hauling, EVs will do just fine IMO. Thanks for your input!
@@VoyageATX I'm in the Eastern Sierra and can drive to nearly 10,000 ft within 20 miles of my driveway. I'm not even sure towing locally is an option for me. I might have to run some tests with my Model Y and a motorcycle trailer. I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers towing a travel trailer (your setup is still fairly aerodynamic compared to travel trailers which has the greatest affect on range) but I appreciate your video. There's not much towing info out there yet and I'm trying to figure out if I need to cancel my pre-order until range specs greatly improve.
You forget two aspects: Service cost, Environmental cost, Rising cost for spare parts and labor, Rising cost for fossil ressources - whether its Diesel, Gazoline LNG or coal.
I agree: For this specific purpose, hauling really heavy loads you will need a real truck like a Mercedes or Volvo, Maybe even a Scania. Not those little Fords or GMs. Maybe even a Tesla Semi could be more cost effective.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Environmental cost: A new car, regardless of how it is propelled, is bad for environment. Cybertruck is EXTREMELY bad for the environment. BEV are more expensive to buy. They sell okay because of heavy subsidies. Spare parts for BEV are the same, or more expensive, than ICE cars.
Tesla Semi stands no chance compared to Volvo and Scania when it comes to proper trucks/lorries. Tesla Semi is a joke compared to the professionals.
@@Xanthopteryx That is simply wrong.
A new FOSSIL car is bad for the environment. It produces poison that your children must breath.
A new EV does not rpodcue posion at all. And if you and your neighbors use PV and wind power then your electricity is completely free of hurting your kids.
Really would like to see this test again with the tonneau cover closed. I’m sure that will make a huge difference
I 100 percent agree! This is something we can do!
It does reduce it by a significant amount
Tbh doubt it will make a HUGE difference. It will be better but by a marginal amount. When you tow you need raw KW battery, no way around it unfortunately.
Tow a boat, tow an enclosed trailer, Tow a camper, tow something a truck would be used to tow.
not as much as towing something big, or it being cold, or having tires that can do anything offroad or in the snow, or god forbid you encountered a hill or mountain
I wish a company would make a trailer with a battery pack and maybe an electric motor to assist with the towing I do think there some be a standard for communication for the vehicle speed acceleration and also braking purposes.
Probably some patent preventing that
There’s an RV trailer that already has that! Cool concept.
In Europe, there is a caravan (camping trailer) that's been out a couple of years with a battery bed. A RUclips was done crossing the Alps. The caravan's computer provides just enough propulsion to give zero pull on the car.
Handy hint, check tyre pressure on hire trailers for long distance hauling.
Crazy anyone is trying to justify this as being good. The cover isn’t going add that much range. Y’all are playing the what if game too much. It’s a mall crawler truck. It can’t go off road and it can’t tow. Let’s just call it what it is.
Why would you tow more than 50 mph ?
To get to your destination quicker?
The speed limit says 60?
Why is it the scariest highway to drive on the United States?
Yeah basically what I expected. Dogshit range but great otherwise. I can tow 11k with my F-350 Diesel and easily get 300 miles going 75-80mph. I can get almost 750 at 65mph running empty. I’m beyond unimpressed with electric range both in my Model 3 and all the other electric trucks out there.
"Today we're going to be doing something really exciting" ... Tow the cybertruck with the model Y.
He could use the battery of the cybertruck to recharge the model Y. So it would be like a range extender. one thing no one seems to be thinking about is how much cheaper the cybertruck can tow that far compared to a gas powered truck.
I wonder, which option is more efficient. That would be great test :)
@@sieciechczajka6554 I think the model Y is only rated to tow 3000 LBS .
It's not a car .it's call a cyber truck
You should laminate your temporary tag and put it in your license plate holder. I just used clear tape on my Model Y.
What Tesla normally upgrades are batteries so im excited for the future cars
Good test and video, thanks for this, very helpful.
any trailer back-up assistance on the cybertruck?
stupidest so call pickup truck ever made looks like a 3 year old came up with the drawing
Very normal for EVs, and all vehicles, to lose a lot of range towing.
As an example, my truck gets ~20 MPG on the highway normally, 8 MPG while towing my 6000 lb TT. The kicker with EVs is the limited size of the 'fuel tank'.
Also, EVs tend to be aero-optimized whereas trailers are not which hurts on an ICE but really puts the hurt on EVs which are more aerodynamic. A solution: slow down! Which you should do no matter what you tow with.
Yes, 65 is too fast. 50 or 62mph is normal towing speed in Germany. That will make a huge difference to range.
A big diesel is the fastest way to tow. An electric truck is the most responsible way to tow. I don’t mind taking a little more time if it means I’m doing my part for a sustainable future for future generations.
The tonneau open completely invalidates this as useful information. Bummer.
Towing is not really about weight it’s about the aero drag of the trailer and frontal area of the trailer. This is a super efficient trailer set up - put a box trailer behind and it will chalk and cheese
Meanwhile, towing in Sweden is like:
www.tidningendacksnack.se/upload/news/1711135163.jpg
(actually a pretty big car - i often see much smaller ones towing really big stuff)
How was your visibility? Also, the tonneau cover would have gave you a LOT more range, but understandable because of the tag.
Odds are it would not increase range much while towing. Maybe 1-2%. Towing kills range way more than an open bed.
Tesla is impressive with how good the battery estimate when arriving to the charger. Even in tow mode as the Rivian struggled with on Jerryrigs video.
Great job, Ben! Looking forward to more content!
Thanks so much!
Tesla should make an update for the cybertruck so that if you are towing another Tesla you can access its cameras on screen for better visibility while reversing or changing lanes
You can look at the cameras on the other Tesla the app
I have see trailers that have a camera on the back and I think it is wired up to the truck some how so that you can see the camera feed on the truck screen. I am guessing I saw this in a F-150. I wonder if Tesla has put any thought into this?
Why you don't use it in standard mode but chill instead? It gives you no difference in consumption.
If you tow it in standard mode, you wouldn't feel the weight at all.. Oh my god...
Was there anything you could plug in to the computer to indicate you were towing, tell it how much it weighed etc so it could make adjustments to regen braking and range estimates and what not? Edit: never mind I saw you addressed that at end of vid. Cool that it auto detected as much as it could.
Thanks for the video. Obviously there is still some taking to do on the CT when it comes to range and the new batteries arent perfected yet, but it can only get better as more data experience comes in to the Tesla engineers. I'm curious why the towed vehicle could not be left in a standard parking bay whilst the CT would be at the charger, rather than occupying several charging bays. Just curious.
This is almost a comedy
Towing a model y is a huge load! It's actually super impressive
Just don’t drive it in cold weather. Btw, that is one ugly truck.
A truck that can't do truck stuff for people who aren't really truck people.
How can you say that the cybertruck isn’t as good as gas powered vehicles when it comes to towing when by your own admission you don’t have much experience towing in general. Tesla’s EV’s appear to use an extra 30-50% energy when towing.
Gas/diesel vehicles use the same amount of extra energy when towing, except they’re carrying much more fuel onboard in the form of gas or diesel. That means they can go a longer distance by burning more fuel not because they’ve got better efficiency.
It’s important to make apples to apples comparisons when trying to draw meaningful conclusions.
That totally doesn't matter in reality. No EV is usable for serious towing. It may pull your 2,500 pound boat to the lake round the corner. But that is about all you can do.
over-all seems about like i expected. Still sad that the truck didn't come with a larger battery, but then again cells are at a premium right now and realistically most people who get this thing wont tow... just like 90% of allllllll truck owners. I would suggest tieing down your load a bit better... do need straps going forward and rear... rear super important if you need to emergency break. Anyway thanks for the video... great to get info out there that is real world, non-approved.
Battery = Weight. If you want a really heavy beast you could wait for the Silverado. But what do you do the rest of the time when not towing 11.000 pounds with the 1 ton extra weight?
Would love to see with back covered as it effects the range significantly as well. That would be a bit more realistic number.
As far as I have seen you are the first person to really do something like this on YT so thank you. Once TFL does their IKE test in the cold its going to be a eye opening day.
First time towing test I’ve seen. Thanks for sharing.
56 degrees, 32% used to go 55 miles on relatively flat roads with a somewhat aero load and sub 5k weight. That isn't terrible but the CTs have poor charging curves so that means a decent downtime every 150 miles. A different channel did a unladen road trip and in cold weather could only do about 110 miles going from 85% to 20% going 80ish in roads where that was the flow of traffic. For regional trip with good super charger infrastructure in warm weather it will be fine at best. In cold weather or with un-aero loads or more weight you would be nuts to try to use this thing for distances.
According to customers the mpg of a unloaded Ford is about 10-15 mpg @ 80 mph.
My guess is about 640Wh/mile for the CT @ constant 80 mph.
100 miles = 8-10 gallons @ 4.70 = 47 US$/100 miles or 47 cents/mile.
100 miles = 64kWh @ 0,30 = 19,2 US$/100 miles or 19 cents/mile
A Ford F150 costs around 60K. A CT costs around 80K.
The difference in energy cost alone is amortized 71K miles.
When you add the additional service costs for the F150.
Oil changes every 10K miles when you drive it that hard.
Injectors, Filters, Belts etc.
It’s roughly about 50K miles.
Your mileage may vary.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 No doubt the CT would be cheaper to run ignoring the fact that an F150 starts actually start around $34k+ (good luck finding one) and the only available CTs start at 80k+. The real issue is that anyone who tows distances regularly for work or fun can't stop for 40mins every 1.5-2hrs. If you only do it a few times a year then you can just plan for the extended trip but otherwise it isnt realistic. Also a CT will have maintenance and preople regularly get 200k-400k miles out of work trucks if maintained. Battery packs last longer these days but when they go its costly.
@@theBeachBusRI I do not get such cheap vehicles. What i get is a VW E-Crafter for 83K Euros, a Ford E-Transit for 68K or a Fiat E-Ducato for the same amount of money.
The comparison with the F150 was only meant as a comparison. Of course you can also buy a old rusty F150 for 150,-- from the scrapyard and drive it until it falls apart.
Batteries are not the point. They outlast the vehicles many times over. They are not the same as the Nissan leaf or VW E-Golf or Mitsubishi MiIEV from 2010.
What IS the point is that EVs are already cheaper from beginning to their end.
Their total cost of ownership is - apples compared at least with pears or carrots and not with 200 year old pans - already lower than their fossil competitors.
Of course the buying price - the MSRP as you call it - is higher. All the apparent running cost of a fossil vehicle are priced into that.
I can assure you - of course i can not proof it, EVs are not available for such a long time - that the batteries are the least of your woes with EVs.
The first point is: Does GM, Ford, Stellantis deliver inexpensive or even free updates and will they produce the electronics needed to repair ALL their cars in 20 years from now?
Tesla most certainly does NOT do that!
What a surprise!
They dropped their first gen roadsters into the public domain and open sourced everything. And they openly admit that they will sometimes do the same with their other vehicles.
Its just not profitable to maintain such old tech just for the sake of a few thousand customers.
Harsh but its the reality. And honest.
Just one example how the OEMs do that:
Try to get a new ECU for a Chrysler from 2015. And someone who does not take your left kidney for the programming services needed.
Good luck. SMA - South Main Auto just made a very interesting video about that.
Should have closed the Tanu cover! That should not be open while towing as well! Would make a ton of difference....
cybertruck needs a remote rearview camera feed option for trailers.
😂 Tesla model y following really close
You were very lucky here: not to have been pulled over and not to have caused a huge accident! Doesn’t look like you had put opposing straps on the Model Y’s tyres! What did you imagine would stop the car from flying into your Cybertruck in the event you had to brake hard? I suggest you take some guidance on how to tow and restrain loads safely before ever trying such an exercise again…
So 100Miles . Just won't work to take a camper out of Texas. I guess I would need to design my camper with a battery and generator to keep it rolling a bit further. Cool, seeing this. One day, I will see a cyber truck in the area. Maybe I need the tesla semi and tesla gooseneck setup. I had a dream about. Coming in future 😆
This is great!
I had 688 wh/miles towing my Model 3 AWD with my Lightning at 65 mph. Conclusion : towing with all pickup ev have the same efficiency, it’s the trailer that dictated the range not the pickup. More range = more kWh (as Silverado EV).
Most of the time i would have to carry 1 ton extra with the Silverado without using or needing it. That makes no sense.
Its the same as carrying a belly full of beer just because i need it once a month when partying.
Thank you
Pls tell me in the CT the satellite map can be shown. This standard one is horrible for orientation and everyone uses it...
No reason to believe it can’t be used. But I always use this map I find it much easier to orient myself. I find the satellite distracting and hard to find roads that aren’t on my highlighted route. Personal preference.
Curious repeat of this with tonneau closed.
looks like Silverado EV will be a towing king with that massive 200kwh battery if it gets close to CT efficiency of 1.5 kw per mile
What do you do the rest of the time with the extra battery weight, 99% of the time, when not towing your ski-doos?
Towing About 5,500 lbs??
Who else is tired of every cyber truck review except off-roading? 👇🏻
55 miles brought the charge down from 82% to 52%. 30% drop in 55 miles. Gross.
Finally, someone use it like a truck
beat 'out of spec' to it haha.
This is awesome! Makes me want to get a Cybertruck and tow a trailer while moving across the country.
Yeah, nobodies asking that Raptor, or any other vehicle to take a bullet for them!😅
I love bucees in temple., there's one in Hillsborough now too! 😊
Every diesel I’ve had the fuel efficiency drops about 35-40%. So I’m not sure why the critics have a fit about range while towing. Maybe people in general don’t quite understand what the economical impact is or they are worried about making it to the next charging stations.
Btw. The gasoline trucks I had dropped by about 50% in economy.
Because you can fill a diesel truck at any loves or Sinclair in about 10 minutes. And those places are designed for tractor trailers, so having a trailer isn't a problem. I've seen several tests with electric trucks where the trailer made charging very inconvenient. I'm not trying to say the CT is bad or anything, but if you really need to tow, it's clearly not the right choice. And yes diesels lose mileage when towing, but my truck can go 700 miles on one tank with 2 dirtbikes in the back, towing my camper definitely reduces the range, but it's still further than an empty cybertruck can go. Again, I think the CT is a cool new truck that for some people will work well, but if you are actually hauling it won't be able to beat a diesel truck.
@@jacobmiller6664 you must have an absolutely enormous tank because the most I ever got in my ram 2500 was about 450 miles without towing.
If I had to toe on a regular basis, I would never choose an electric truck. But I tow maybe one or two times a year.
I just think that the general perspective and perception is that the Evies should have better range while towing and that’s not true of any vehicle towing
@@thatcarlifeR8 my tank is 36 gallons, and I get 22-24 mpg on the freeway (while not towing obviously). I agree that people are probably overly harsh on EVs towing range, all trucks lose a lot when towing big, but like I said, you can refill diesel trucks extremely quickly to full (not 80% like electric), and they have greater range to begin with, so they aren't scrutinized as much in regards to towing losses.
But for the majority of 1500 owners that use their truck to drive to work and maybe put a sofa in the bed once a year the cybertruck would be great for that.
My only complaint is how all these guys that drive 20 miles a day and never haul or tow proclaim that range isn't actually important, when it is for a lot of us that haul frequently.
@@jacobmiller6664 so I’m a general contractor. I just traded my ram 2500 for a Rivian. I ordered it two years ago and it’s already for sale but I just don’t need a big diesel truck, to be honest I don’t like trucks, they’re big slow can’t park anywhere. And because I’m a general I’ve had full-size trucks for 20 years. That said a couple of years ago I bought a three-quarter ton diesel sprinter van for the employees to you, so I almost never need to haul anything anymore, so I literally was commuting and just throwing money down the drain. The best my truck with the 6.7 Cummins ever got was average 17 miles per gallon. Where I live I had to be emissions compliant so it still has everything on it. I’m likely going to get the ram electric truck when it comes out. But I can tell you this after driving this Rivian for a week and a half you get back into a gasoline powered vehicle and he literally think yourself that these things were assembled by caveman. Not to mention the amount of things that it can do that my big diesel could not. Like 0 to 60 in 3.4 seconds. The ability to accelerate out of danger, which I’ve already had to do twice. The smooth ride is ridiculous, so for a commuter vehicle I think an EV is fine and I likely wouldn’t own one but I have two gas powered vehicles also for doing cross country stuff. So it’s not perfect but I think that ultimately having an electric gas hybrid truck would be the best of both worlds and I think that Ram is coming out with one in the fall. The truck bed on my Rivian is just laughably small and doesn’t work. 4.5’. I thought I could get away with that but literally on day one I had to go and get something that didn’t fit. At the time I ordered it it was really the only viable option. And I just figured that if I couldn’t use that I would sell it.
@@thatcarlifeR8 yeah I agree with everything you said. I'm also a contractor, not a general tho. I'd keep my Sprinter over everything, I have the 4 cyl and it can get 21 or 22 fully loaded, I'm not even sure what it gets empty as it's always full! Like you said, most GC I see at a job never haul anything anyways, I know several that drive small little cars since they never need anything bigger, and in that case I think a cybertruck or electric would work great. I'm also very interested in that new ram coming out, we will have to see how well it actually performs, but I like seeing new ideas.
In your case a rivian or similar makes a lot of sense, which I'm totally happy to admit (although a 4.5 foot bed is pretty lame haha, 20 sheets of plywood hanging out that far past the rear axle would be sketchy I'm sure.) It just isn't good for all use cases, which I seem to be hearing a lot from tesla guys who have never cared about trucks until now.
The range getting cut in half is not an Eevee problem it's a trailer problem.
When driving a solar powered car across the country support trailer that followed Along on another route. It would regularly get between 5 and 8 Mi per gallon. So the gas vehicle had one third to 1/4 of the range it would have normally gotten normally gotten.
Now having said that I could get better mileage that are normal trailer driver.
Honestly, there’s nothing better for short distance towing than an EV. The massive power and torque gives you so much control. If I had a construction site or a marina, a Cybertruck would be incredible for moving heavy stuff and launching and pulling out boats. It’s only when you go long distances that the time it takes to recharge them becomes annoying. I pull a 7,000 lb RV with a gas V8 with 400 hp and 400 torque, I can only imagine 600 hp and 900 torque (or whatever EV trucks have) The only problem is when you get out to where RVs go, there’s not enough charging infrastructure yet. But again, if I had a construction company and the vehicles stayed nearby, an EV truck would be awesome- once they get cheap enough and not a novelty. Ford will probably be the most successful with that at first.
Cool coincidence to meet the Ford towing set up
I know right!
Beaver Nuggets!!
So what was the breakdown. How many miles estimate on a full charge with that weight do you believe?
dude...super impressive video i thought you would have at least like 50k subs. instantly subscribed!
Wow! Thank you so much! This means so much to me
Jay Leno said that i didn't even feel like it was pulling anything when he did some towing in a Cybertruck, very strange
Another handy hint try to balance the weight of the car on the trailer
Can you see the tow hitch in the rear camera? I use that frequently to hook up on my own.
Yes you absolutely can!
Did the steer by wire ratio change in tow mode?
Great question, it didnt feel like it had changed at all!
Did you have trailer brakes connected? My Model X puts it into trailer mode anytime you plug something in to the rear electric hookup.
any thoughts on the CT 1/4 mile lie that has been exposed?
Slow speed is best for EV's ?
Love it!
Thank you for the video. I’m going to be sweating it towing my boat up in the mountains to go fishing. Can you please take a couple measurements for me? I would like to know the distance across the peak of the vehicle, distance across the back of the vehicle (across the top of the tailgate), and the distance from the top peak to the top of the tailgate? Thanks!
More like 6400 pounds. A car trailer weighs on average 2000 pounds (based on a Google search) and the Model Y weighs 4400 pounds
Does the a pillar get in the way on left turning roads?
I'd like to make a request. When showing the dash/screen info on camera can you go close enough and hold a few seconds so viewers can pause video and see info CLEARLY, that you don't mention, but is of interest ... for analysis/comparison. Thank You.
Absolutely, great feedback and will be kept in mind next time!
Autopilot works with a trailer?
Got a 93 6.5 turbo diesel that's gets 500mi range while pulling a cybertruck with 5 speed and 350k😊
its using about the same amount of energy as the MY uses when towing (~600wh/mile)
I can't believe you're saying 2% off is a Miss in range projection.
I noticed it say battery is preconditioning.. must be navigating to the charger..
Good video. Don't pass on the right especially while towing.
Uhaul: puts a huge driver-visible 55mph sign on each of their trailers.
Everyone: goes with the 10+ traffic or faster.
Driving 55 mph literally on any freeway anywhere is a danger to you and everyone else on the road driving 70mph
Are you an idiot? Ever saw trailer sway going out of control?
@@lazerusmfhi wonder who is liable though, the law abider or the law neglector
@@wuwei473 Obstructing the normal flow of traffic is every bit as illegal as speeding. Pick your poison.
@wuwei473 well in Utah you can get a ticket for driving too slow, so 🤷♂️
I’m curious to why we did not start this test at 100%?
My Model X get 585W/mile with a motorcycle trailer so a bigger truck hauler and bigger vehicle with the bed cover open doesn’t seem so bad.
It seems like its performing as expected from most people!
Would be nice to know how much cheaper it was to make that trip on Electricity than Gas or Diesel. Also you should add a video clip showing all the Superchargers along that trip since the range should be enough that you can always reach a charger etc. so you do lose some time charging more but you still have no problem reaching a destination. I don't think most non Tesla owners realize how many chargers are out there and that's not counting destination chargers etc.
I didn't watch the full video but if he used 100% of the battery, it would cost anywhere from $20-60 depending on the cost per Kw. Home can be as low as $.12 or on the road can be up to $.69.
@@herbfst I drove my model 3 to Seattle from Wisconsin last summer and charging at Tesla superchargers was usually around 35 cents. I can charge at home for 9 cents but I have solar so it's really free at home. I have a Dodge ram pickup that gets 12 MPG Has never got better than 14 when not towing. Usually around 6 MPG towing. So I'm going to say that the cybertruck is way cheaper than gas. Also for most people those long haul towing trips are not going to be common.
40% battery usage for 55 miles... So would it be around 120 miles towing on a full charge?
By the math that'd be 137.5 miles. (i.e. if 55 miles is 40%, then 100% is 137.5).
Started at 83% and stopped at 52% so it's 31% for 55 miles, not 40%, and 177 miles not 120 miles towing.
And it isn't even a particularly tough tow. Try a much less aerodynamic enclosed trailer with about 10k lb.
Based on the 665 Wh/mi and the 124KWh battery pack, it would do around 186 miles. The truck by itself got around 254 miles in the 70 mph test Out of Spec did in Austin.
Nice work
Thank you so much!
Towing without the extended range makes a lot of sense. May as well just tow it with a Hummer.
The CyberTruck has the extended range option for people who plan on towing long distances. Smh!
It's WHPM is less than my Y. So, at least it'll make it between chargers without an issue. One time I had to drop my trailer at a gas station and go the next 10 miles without it. 🤦
Have never dared to tow with a vehicle that has no spare tire. (For the tow vehicle. Towing my own stuff, mandatory spare for the trailer as well.). If there's a flat on the CT, does that mean two tow trucks? Or do you just get the CT towed and leave your trailer behind on the side of the road?
Welcome to Sweden. Here we use regular cars to tow. Most of them do not have spare tire. IF something happens, then they of course tow both of you, but that it is rare to have a flat tire if you have proper tires and take care of them.