Borderlands Games Need To Fix This Before It Is Too Late!
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Let me know what you think about dedicated farming in your favorite Borderlands games. Do you like it?, hate it?, or think it needs changed?
One more thing I should have mentioned is the Hunt community event is in trouble if dedicated drop farming isn't added to future titles.
I dont hate the farming but it takes so long like i have been farming the fastball and it takes so long to go there and my luck sucks
Also can u try my little challenge run after the bandit called pistol kreig
I don’t hate it
personally love the dedicated farming but i think they could cap the potential of a really good gun early game like maybe make it so you cant get a certain prefix on it or part
I definitely think there should be a base of dedicated farming so you can find an enemy to farm for a certain item you want.
I do also like having a decent world drop rate on top of that as I find it a nice way to try new weapons. My personal issue with the world drop rate for BL3 wasn’t so much the amount, but more the amount of just bad legendaries like the woodblocker. And those bad legendaries carried over to Wonderlands it seems.
My friend and I started a BL2 run literally last week, and I couldn’t agree enough with this video. The farming is what lets players find fun skips through the map, it definitely expanded movement in this game over time because of it, and the routing of dedicated drops adds a basically infinite amount of replay ability. BL2 is lightning in a bottle
I can’t stop playing 😳😳😳😳
I respect your opinion,but id like to say that i am not someone who really enjoys farming,i kinda hate that.
@@YeshuaSaves726 you don't need to farm really. Unless min maxing weapon rolls and going for OP levels. If you just want to play through game, you don't ever need to farm
@@underkitten Yea,and i actually like it that way.I just look at the guns as toys to play with rather than tools that help me kill bosses or whatever.Sure,everyone has their own goals when they play.I just like to start a new character and play as long as its fine, and on that journey i like to get lots of guns to play with.Often times in Bl3 id have my inventory half full of guns,and most of them i just wanna try or use when i am bored of current one...and sometimes its heartbreaking to sell a legendary so i keep it with me for like 10 lvls and put in the bank...
I dont Min Max either but it gets annoying when you want to try content or try some of the harder content like in OP levels in BL2 or even you fall behind in a gear in a normal playthrough and find yourself farming XP or new gear. Personally I like pushing Story, Quests and Content without worrying about gear or xp falling behind. Dedicated drops also get annoying in BL2 when they arent scaled to your level. For me BL3 is better than BL2 since I had less time stuggling and dying and more shooting and pushing for content which is a problem for me when I play BL2 causually.
Dedicated drops arent really a big issue for me, its scaling of content throught the stages of the game, especially endgame OP levels in BL2 when I want to run through the whole peak since I never have and still havent but its a chore if you dont have the right gear or setup and takes too many tries that I'd rather end up playing a different game. BL3 mayhem levels is my kinda of thing that I like but I get that people that prefer BL2 for various reasons. BL3 is much more relaxing than BL2 in the sense of a complete playthrough that I can just chill while playing which is what I prefer.
I do agree with alot of this thats why I haven't really launched wonderlands since dlc 1 but the dedicated drops do need to come back yes there are pros and cons but hey thats what makes it fun
It is one of the major reasons I don't play Wonderlands anymore. New game runs are so bland without it.
@@Joltzdude139 yea I know what you mean if it's OK with everyone I'm gonna stick to borderlands1, 2 and 3 thank you
I haven’t played it since the first week of the game
I played through the game and that was about it for me. Played through the mob clearing endgame thing a few times and didn't like it.
Never bought wonderlands because all I heard was bad stuff farming, bosses and the constant level increases making you need to refarm it again.
The BL2Fix mod has almost everything we could ever want from Gearbox to implement on Borderlands' farming
I think the best example of low drop chance and high power is the Bessie from bl1. That thing was an absolute beast when it came to fighting but the chance of getting it was really low due to it being pearlescent. Overall I think the bl1 pearls were a great mix between rarity and power
Pearls were good in bl1? I started on bl2 so I've never seen a pearl that has any real significance over a legendary
@@ghost1182able they were a good mix. like the bessie, serpens, aries, undertaker, nemesis, omega were IMO great. others were kinda meh.
@@ghost1182able most pearls were OP tbh but some were just for fun, or for specific builds. Shout out the Aries, Bessie, and Serpens
@@ghost1182able They were all pretty good or great, none of them were bad persay. The best is to find what you find most fun.
The ultimate low drop chance is the 94% Sham how many kills did it take joltz to get it
I’m so early that some of you won’t even know how I did it! (Pssst click JOIN under the video player)
Edit: I agree with everything Joltz said and want to add that players want some level of endgame content at launch. Like Terramorphous from 2. Repeatable Slaughter and Proving Grounds like in 3. And then each DLC ADDS more Raid bosses.
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Not just that K6, but it means that anything with those rare dedicated drops can never be considered "dead content".
Terra for instance? Only way to get Teeth, Hide, unique coms, etc.
Pyro Pete? Easiest Seraph crystal farm early + Big Boom Blaster.
Gettle & Mobley? Lyuda & Veruc.
Hodunk v Zafford fight? Slagga & Maggie. There's always a chase item on your list with each boss that drops something.
Bnk-3r? ...come on we all know.
Point is, dedicated drops keep us players hunting for those picture perfect stats whether they be for use, collection, or to just show off.
Along with raid bosses, I’d like to see proving grounds that go with the theme of each DLC. Basically, you’d fight all the different types of enemies that expansion has to offer
@@vaulthunterfromterra4053 yeah, thats what i want in bl3 tbh, imagine slaughter shaft or proving ground with various unique new enemies from dlc 1,2 and 3 + adding a new exclusive drop from the boss in there, i hope they will doing that in the future game or even more takedown content is a very good addition, but i think they also can add a straight fast travel into a boss so people who just want to farm the boss from takedown can save their time, but adding more rewards for people who run a full takedown so it will balance out the reward.
To me its important that borderlands has multiple ways of farming including dedicated drops.
Sometimes dedicated farming to me gets a little too repetive and boring which is why i love stuff like takedowns and chaos chamber where i just get a big pool of loot
But dedicated farming is obviously important because it allows you to get exactly what you want and it needs to be implemented into the games
yeah, big loot drops are popular and very nice to have. tinder snowflake is one example for bl2
in my opinion, best to have dedicated loot drops but also something like takedowns and something like Moxxi's underdome, the Chaos Chambers and other similar types of Challenge arenas that give global and unique loot would be the best way to do it. respawnable bosses and unique enemies with dedicated loot are needed.
couldnt have put it better myself
Honestly, legendaries should be a bit more common than they have been in normal gameplay, and 'dedicated farming' while it seems fun, I found that I liked Borderlands 1 a lot as well, mostly because every orange drop you had was something special. I guess I'll die on this hill, but the weapon in 2 I am the most hyped about still is the Shredder. It sucks as a weapon and it's about as useful as a wet towel launcher, but I love getting one just cause it's not 'spend time and you get the gun', it feels special. I played a lot of BL2, and it is a great game, but I feel like dedicated drops have just kinda lead to this whole "here is the route for your build" mentality? That special feeling is just kinda lost with all the dedicated stuff.
I get that people want farming or whatever, but it shouldn't be dedicated honestly. Maybe instead, every boss gets buffed for endgame, and you can re-fight them to gain random drops at a decent rate, and try lots of things on the go. But then that would also require Gearbox to really make many legendary items worth using, and I kinda have my doubts they could pull it off...?
What we need is both. Mostly for variety but it would need to be fixed and changed.
A nice solution to respawning bosses imo atleast. Is done by the Xenoblade Chronicles games. Whenever you kill a named enemy they spawn a gravestone, when you interact with that the boss spawns in. I think its a clean and just very good system for farming enemies, I never understood the point of having to save and quit just for an enemy to respawn
This would be great especially for consoles where loading in and out of the game is just way too long to try a farm.
@@chelle5900 or having a pc with an old hdd...
**cries in 2011 hdd**
This. The whole save quit system is seriously outdated, just make farming an in game mechanic at this point.
I feel like with the Borderlands games especially though, a LOT needs to be done. Imagine hitting the 'spawn boss' button, using an OP setup to blast them away cause it's efficient, and just standing there doing the same 5 or 10 second loop over and over again until the perfect item you wanted eventually drops. That would happen if this was the only change to be made.
But maybe I'm alone with this opinion...
@@chelle5900 that does help us console guys. Still waiting for a quest reward solution though. Closing the game is just not good.
Dedicated farming gave purpose to the end game of bl2 and bl3. Farm gear to fight the harder bosses so you can farm the specific loot tied to those bosses. In wonderlands you just farm gear from the chaos chambers so you can do the chaos chambers... again.
I like dedicated farming in BL2. To have a plan, to KNOW why you are fighting a certain enemy or visiting a certain area (that has already been dealt with for the purposes of the story) is both exciting in terms of anticipation - think 94% Sham - and relaxing.
If I didn't know that something I am after could ever drop, I wouldn't bother. No anticipation and no relaxation.
I like whenever you do discussion videos. You’re one of main voices in the borderlands community and videos like these help get our thoughts more public
10:05 honorable mention to the "Going to Brighthoof then back to the map where the item you wanted to farm is" portal thingy in Wonderlands tho, because that saves Online 2P farm without having to save quit and re-invite everytime, thats a life savior for people who wanna farm with friends !
Or just picking two bosses you want to kill and fast traveling from place to place. That system would be incredible if dedicated drops weren't absolute dog shit on Wonderlands because you can farm with friends and honestly while you still have to sit through a loading screen it's a bit faster and you aren't fully out of the game so to speak.
@@trautsj very true
I've always wished for having mission rewards after the mission is done being added to red chest loot pools
BL3 did that one nice by adding it to that one vending machine in Sanctuary III.
Hit the nail on the head! Well done joltz
Oh my god it’s DMAC!!
7:00 is literally what got me seriously into borderlands and how I found your channel. I got an infinity off of doc mercy, and wanted more
For quest item farming, I’d like to have the quest line’s boss/named enemy have a chance to drop it, as well as have the final boss of the map/zone have said quest items added to their loot pool, *replacing generic non-unique drops* (as to not mess up the boss’s actual item drop rates)
The other thing that I love about dedicated farming is that it rewards game knowledge and time investment. So if I’m doing a one life or allegiance or some other kind of challenge run, I can use my game knowledge to acquire the best load out for the current situation. It’s always a good thing to have a system in place that rewards time investment
my opinion is opposite to yours , I believe the game should reward for you just playing it since you have already buyed it , a game that need you to search on internet builds and drop spots to get further is not respecting your time well. I know not many people will agree with me since a youtuber comment section is like an echo chamber so you only hear the same opinion over and over again from people dedicated to borderlands since it went out, but the fact is that most borderlands 2 players never actually stuck with it to the end game because it was overly complicated ( multiple story playthrough , obscure drop spots for specific legendaries, most legendaries being gimmicky), getting to the hardest difficutly without any help would take a ridiculous amount of hours and let's be honest most people have jobs, family, a life to actually tend to so they just do not have the time to kill every boss a ridiculous amount of time to see what it drops.
@@tolmir2929 I definitely see what you’re saying, but I was looking at dedicated farming from a systemic standpoint rather than from the view of bl2 specifically. The reason why I enjoy dedicated farming in bl2, bl3, and even tps is because I’ve invested the time to know where and what to farm even though it’s not really required to progress. The reason why I enjoy the system is because you don’t need to interact with it in order to enjoy and play through the game, which is sort of the crux of my particular opinion. The fact that it rewards time investment, but not requires it. Also as someone who’s played a lot of co-op I enjoy having to stretch my creativity and make setups around random stuff that drops. I def agree with you that most people probably don’t enjoy bl2 as much as I do, since I had the freedom of highschool when I got into bl2. Though I don’t necessarily share the opinions on UVHM and bl2 endgame that most people do, I still understand that POV. I appreciate you giving your thoughts.
I think the claptastic voyage was the perfect mix of dedicated farm and world loot rng. It was probably my favorite experience in all my hundreds of hours across borderlands games.
Dedicated farming can take a long time for me to get what I want from doing it but at least I know what I’m getting and that I’m going to get it eventually, it’s always been something that somewhat made me enjoy the game more for some reason I guess because it gave me a reason to go fight an enemy again, with wonderlands not really having that…I truly didn’t enjoy it as much as any of the other games heck I haven’t played wonderlands in a while, so yeah I’m ngl dedicated farming should be a permanent thing in borderlands games
There's interesting mechanic in Elder Scrolls Online. Once you get any item, you can deconstruct it and then you are able to craft it using special currency. You get that for doing basically any repeatable activity (that daly resets).
They could make that currency drop from bosses, elite enemies etc.
I don't know anything about TESO. But, I will say. I like being able to take enchantments from one tool, and have them applied to something I'm more likely to use. I had some pretty OP gear in Oblivion. Skyrim was a bit different. Still good. But, they limited or removed some of the abilities I grew fond of.
Oblivion was a far better rpg than skyrim builds actually mattered unlike skyrim
had a thought about perfect part farming in future games while watching this, maybe there could be a system similar to the grinder where you can swap parts on guns with certain requirements to change parts, maybe the parts you want have to come from the same manufacturer, rarity or even the same, exact gun for legendries and such or even have a whole quest line for the system to unlock the ability to swap/change certain parts or just unlock them outright, I don't want another iteration of grinder farming but I think it would stop the whole grinding a lot for little gain
For unique quest reward item farming, I would almost like to see a bounty system where you can pick up a couple of kill 'x' target miniboss quest and then turn them in at the same time. Could either be fully random: random target, random reward; or guaranteed to give you a roll on the item that that miniboss' quest had initially.
yeah the devs expecting you to restart and entire playthrough, or just deal with an objectively bad version of a gun you want is asinine.
Just wanna say that I really enjoy these kind of videos as well as your "regular" content.
Thanks Joltz! We needed this discussion to be out there. I 100% agree with your ideas. At the end of the day, I just want to feel the same love for wonderlands and future games that I felt for BL2. I love planning a character and farming specific items and missions along the way. We lost that in wonderlands which is a shame because the story and maps are beautiful.
Yes please. Borderlands needs to fix this. It’s almost like they ignore potential learned lessons.
Dedicated farming is so important to the culture of this game.
I just find it odd that it was normalized for 7 years on BL2 and it has been all over the place since.
@@Joltzdude139 I can't imagine we still have the same development team from BL2. It's just like battlefields new game. Everyone hates it, and it's nothing like the other games. And I have a feeling it's due to completely different teams working on the fanchises at different times.
@@Joltzdude139 dedicated farming in borderlands is something the ganra itself needs, it gives pointed goals that are player choice, it expands replayability massivly, as alot of builds and/or challanges/playruns are impossible to do unless you have a way to get x items
@@Joltzdude139 it's not that odd, the number of people that actually stuck with borderlands 2 endgame were actually very low that's why they changed the formula, most people from borderlands 2 era aged and have other things to do now so the people they are actually marketing toward unsuccessfully if I may add was the fortnite crowd, it kind of showed with borderlands 3 villains being streamers, the game will go more casual with time because not many people have the free time to play something like borderlands 2 anymore.
11:30 I think it's worth mentioning that in BL3, there's a common trait among weapons that can spawn in multiple elements including non-elemental: the non-elemental variant has a much higher chance to spawn compared to elemental variants. Go to Lootlemon and check the Redline, Flakker, Sickle, Craps, Prompt Critical, Dowsing Rod, Anarchy, The Monarch and many more, you'll notice the drop chance of the non-elemental version is upwards of 55% while the non-elemental versions are much less than that, typically 8.2% for weapons capable of spawning in all elements. There are exceptions such as weapons that always have an element (Maliwan guns, the Blood-Starved Beast) where all elements have an equal chance to spawn, the Light Show which has a 26.5% chance for the non-elemental version and 14.5% for elemental versions and the AutoAime which is 25% for no element or the three elements it can spawn with.
I don't know how it is in BL2 or Wonderlands, but maybe going forward it's worth changing the spawn rate of each element (including non-elemental) to be even with all other possible elements for that item and having a 10-15% legendary drop chance in most cases. There may be a valid argument for having non-elemental versions of weapons be much more common than elemental variants, but like Joltz said the chances for a specific roll of an item you want gets much smaller when you consider parts and elements. On top of that, BL still works on the archaic method of save-quitting to reset a drop source, unlike other RPGs such as Xenoblade Chronicles where you don't have to take the time to go through a loading screen for every run as someone else here stated.
The worst part of wonderlands is that the 'class item' (it's called armor in that game) has so many variations on them that the chance of getting something that has the stats on it that you want are over that 94 Sham farm ratio.
The first ever legendary I got in Bl2 was a Badaboom that was in the chest outside of the area the Warrior is in. Me and my friend were so excited and it made me want to go find more. Eventually I found Yoteslaya's videos (Rest in piece) and spent days farming various legendaries, and because I watched so many Yoteslaya videos, RUclips started recommending me other Borderlands channels like K6 and you. That was over 6 years ago and I've gotten way better at Borderlands. I'm still not as good as you, but I managed to get to OP7 in Bl2 by myself which I thought I'd never be able to do
I completely agree with you with how important dedicated loot is for replayability. I also like the alternative methods like the chest room in claptrap dlc from bl1, bc getting legendaries from chests was still exciting to get.
Great video, I had to re-watch to comment on so many great points
1. I agree with dedicated drops, bl2 did it best but I think a balance of both. I think bl3 cheapened legendries but I would like everything to have a source but also raids/major bosses would be good sources of world drops. World drops can be a lot of fun but not as the only source. Its like used record shopping, you don't know what the store will have to you look until you find a hidden gem.
2. When TPS came out the community was also in a bad place to communicate with GBX, the biggest influencers were all quite toxic and just insulted gearbox and the devs pulled back a bit from communication because every time they did things went ugly quick.
3. I appreciate your comments about wonderlands just wanted to be a place to celebrate games and not rag on them.
4. I also found farming in wonderlands dull, and I didn't keep playing it
5. I also like going back to maps and enjoying the whole game and different maps. In bl3 it turned into kill the same big boss over and over for a world drop and that was boring. I like variety.
6. Knowing where to get guns as you go is another great point, sometimes you can't get your preferred gun until later but there is a b or c tier that will do. I remember when UVHM first came out I would keep going back to get a new lascaux every few levels because I had fun with that and it was effective.
7. The route comment, yeah in the dust jumping your car to get to gette and mobley, or I liked to run routes where I could farm multiple guns. So go the back route to them, farm for chubbies for pearls and legendary coms, then get and mob for lyuda and veruc, then jump to the back area for the black queen and a nukem I think, its been a bit. But you also had a spot in front of ellies to look for a gwens head. So one run could look for so much gear. I found that more enjoyable than a quick run for one thing. You could do a similar thing in the frostburn canyon for a few guns and some other maps. This is that repeatability that bl3 and wonderlands missed for me. I don't know why but I always enjoyed kingmong farming as well.
8. Balance of gear and where you find it is tough, the harold I think was bad that it was that easy and that early. Having people get god mode guns so easy isn't good. The norfleet orginally you had to kill vermi, which was fitting I thought. If the harold was behind the warrior maybe it would be better and maybe something a bit less OP with savage lee. But so the game grows patches happen and guns get better and worse. I think gbx should be in a better place now to understand power of guns and do better with where guns drop related to power. But this will never be perfect because the community will find ways to break things.
9. Save quit does suck, especially for consoles and low power PCs. They should be able to reset maps at this point.
10. The 10/15 I agree on, 30% with parts, elements was bad.
11. Crowded loot pools need to go away, one item per unquie enemy/boss. No heads or skins to dilute it.
12. The easter egg guns to just find were great and should stay. just goes to show how well bl2 did it
13. The parkour tower idea, they kinda did that with vault symbols in bl2, I agree hidden gear would be fun.
14. For the mission rewards being moved to the boss, I like this but I also think if you made them item for the day in vendors just in that map it would be better. Each map maybe has 10 side quests at the most, so the pool would drastically decrease.
Great video, you should do more of these. You can do these while still being positive and constructive. This is why im glad people like you and k6 are the bigger voices in the community now, its much better than it was before. Cheers.
Not to bring attention away from your comment, but it's good to see that you're still around
@@Motofreakz I'm always here lurking in the shadows like a creep
I want a pre-sequel remastered because the gameplay was real fun even the dlc was good but some bosses were tough and I didn’t have legendaries to help.
i wouldn’t say a remaster but maybe get the other 3 dlcs. don’t forget the game only had 1 campaign dlc lol
I mean, they could just optimise the Handsome Collection for the current generation
Jolts I love dedicated farming and that’s what made come back to the game
Gameplay so good I couldn't focus on what Joltz's saying :D Watching it again
One of my favorite things to do in any BL games is to do a new run. I like to try other characters and idk, it’s just fun. But it isn’t fun when I have to rely on really bad white-blue rarities for parts of the run and then sometimes I can get purples. Legendaries don’t need to drop at level 5, but at least make the guns they’re wanting us to use, useful. If the gun is bad as soon as you get it, it makes people want to get a legendary to not have to deal with that
Also community style events like The Hunt works better with dedicated farming. The Hunt would be boring to watch if every person was sitting at a machine and refreshing the inventory constantly.
new Joltz Video on my birthday, feelsgoodman
You should make more vids like this. I would love to hear you tackle different topics when it comes to making improvements in the next titles in the franchise.
I STRONGLY agree. I have been addicted to borderlands 2 since release, when I was only 12 years old. 22 now and still play it when other games get boring for me. Dedicated drop farming is what got me hooked! I remember being 16, hopping in a voice call with my friend, and us each farming bunker in our own worlds for hours every night for a sham. Not even a 94 sham! Back then, even getting a single sham drop was like striking gold 🤣 I could never get as hooked on BL3, or wonderlands. It’s just not the same feelings as bl2. I know it’s divisive, but I HATE the drop rates in the newer games. 5+ legendaries everytime you kill a boss? Common mobs giving word drops every few levels on a play through? It just completely kills the hype and progression of the game for me. In my opinion, when the game first comes out, and everyone goes into their first run blind, the average should be 1 or 2 legendary drops per playthrough, if you are not intentionally farming. I LOVE going blind through my first playthrough, and having to look at every chest, every drop, to see if these whites or greens have higher stats then my current load out. In bl3, my first playthrough I just jumped from legendary to legendary, didn’t even bother looking at ground loot. It’s boring.
End game bl2- you farm named enemies for their dedicated drop. You are HYPE when you see a single orange beam fly out of their body. Yes parts can be hard to farm for, but it’s not ALWAYS necessary. I’ve never really cared about parts unless I’m really enjoying the farm, and I’ve still been able to easily push through endgame in bl2
Now look at bl3- I did play it quite a bit for the first 6 months after release. You kill a boss, and it literally drops 5+ legendaries, every single run, and you just routinely walk through all the orange beams, quickly scanning if you got the one you were wanting. It’s just lame. Where is the legendary hype? Where is that “YES!” when you kill Savage Lee or King Mong and see that orange beam fly out of their body?
Your spot on about bl2 the feeling of satisfaction you get for a legendary is amazing .I can't comment on bl3 or wonderlands as I still only play on Xbox 360 so have never even been able to play fight for sanctuary dlc .
@@regod4772 for sure, it’s a great feeling. As for bl3 and wonderlands, you aren’t missing out on a ton. The first playthrough is always enjoyable for the new games, but there just isn’t much of a reason to keep playing after that.
Completely agree. The drop chances of legendaries in bl3 is way too high and makes it not fun. Legendaries don't feel special and it makes me not even want to look around for loot. Like I don't even care about opening chests. I really hope they don't take this route again. Totally killed the game for me.
@@EverythingRedd no matter how many times I play bl2 I can always think of a daft new way to play once tryed a rubberised bouncing Betty only run-through on uvhm and if I remember correctly I got stuck at bunker lol
@@regod4772 hahaha imagine trying to kill bunker with a corrosive betty
We also need better weapon parts and realistic farms: perfect rolls are impossible to get and this hurts walkthroughs/challenge runs and incentivizes the use of external tools, which is kinda sad
Yup. And it's not just tied to parts.
Derch did a video on sniper dps. Most were comparable, with a standout on the low end and the high end. Hyperion snipers had about half the dps of vladof ones.
That's ridiculous. There's no need for such lopsided design
There's no need for tediore grip to make virtually every pistol worse
And finally, there is no need for a lack of any kind of crafting mechanic. Crafting could be a great way to use up eridium end game, and diversify your grinding. Got your dedicated drop, but want to change a part? Well go do some mobbing till you get the eridium you need to perfect it
Nah. imo you need a really rare perfect part items. Just because people aren’t happy with the non Perfect items doesn’t mean somethings wrong with the system. That’s just down to the individual.
Perfectionist’s have to farm more and are rewarded for it whilst your more casual player should be happy with average or just above parts because it doesn’t stop you doing anything in the game.
However they do need to make it more obvious what every part does
@@skinnysnorlax1876 Tediore parts need to give at least decent stats. personally all manufacturers should have their specialty/gimmick but not suck at their guns, grenades and shields.
Perfect rolls is not the issue, i'm fine with 94% Sham or having a gun being a straight upgrade of itself as long as you find the best parts, it keeps people farm if they want a better versions or if they are collectors
The problem is making the part system too wide, which makes the odds of getting the best parts too low,
@@skinnysnorlax1876 make it that you have to pay Eridium and the item with the part you want to add at the same one like if you get a Harold with tediore grip but with nice prefix and scope farm one with a good grip and swap the parts out for Eridium or so wich makes you grind a bit for the dedicated drops but not infinitely and makes it eaiser to have them more rare or have more different parts
I actually really liked that mods you had during one of your playthroughs that allowed you to re-roll the mission rewards by spending one of your currencies. I thought that was a really good feature.
you know i have been watching you since a very very long time and you speaking facts i remember back in the day it was so fun and challenging to get the legendary nowadays seeing with borderlands 3 and tiny tina's wonderland seeing legendary in the end game just drop like butter it has no meaning of farming at all keep it up mate
Well done joltz. Love videos like these.
I do miss dedicated drops, BL1 is still my favorite because of the options of bosses and even chest runs was amazing at the armory
Bl1 was also super fun because it didn't gut 90% of the guns at endgame.You could kill craw with a white tediore gun if you were skilled and proficient enough.
i think no dedicated drops was fine in bl1 purely because the weapon pool was much smaller and weapons didn't immediately get outleveled like they do in later games, you could get a pestilent defiler at level 50 and still use it 15 levels later. But when 2 changed it to every level being super important then having a dedicated source for items became much more clean as a mechanic
@@SuperbFairy I think I had a hellfire that lasted me my first play through all the way to the end of true vault hunter
@@gamerguy6990 Hellfire is so based
@@gamerguy6990 hellfire is spicy, my first ever character i got a double anarchy that took me ridiculously far
My friends and I did a play through of borderlands 2 right before wonderland released. I have played a lot and they are fans but never really played it that much. They didn't know about vermi and I got him to spawn and they're reactions were absolutely priceless.
Great video. Love the parkour idea! I think if you max all characters through one play through you should unlock a “skip all dialogue “ option.
Omgosh I’m so sick of the story by then.
haven't played wonderlands yet, but thats honestly outrageous that dedicated farming is not in it. they really need to bring it back it's what makes borderlands... well borderlands!
There is some dedicated farming, but drop rates are non-existent unless you scavenge a ridiculous amount of lucky dice first.
@@Joltzdude139 will have to look into that since i have been planning on getting the game, is lucky dice like a currency or something?
@@jaykopuffs9180 Their are 260 breakable lucky dice in total spread throughout all of the maps in the wonderlands in hidden and not so hidden locations. Each dice slightly increases your base loot luck up to a 3.00x multiplier with a bonus 1.35x multiplier for collecting all dice. Thankfully the dice are now account wide but at launch you had to get all 260 dice for every new character.
@@Joltzdude139 Even with max loot luck the loot chances are ridiculous. You mentioned a 3x cryo swordsplosion in Wonderlands.... back when Primordial was the top tier it was something like a 1 in 6500 for a x3 cryo Volitile or 1 in 90,000 for a primordial. I enjoyed your search for the perfect Sham videos, and grats on getting it btw... At 1 in 3750 chance it took you over 100hrs of game play. I couldnt imagine looking at LeChance for 200+ hrs for a Volitile... nevermind primordial and now ascended.
It should be integrated more for sure, but I also wish that legendaries don't drop like hot cakes like in BL3 as well, getting a legendary very early on I think it was from the undertaker(?) fella it was fun at first, but getting legendaries here and there was just boring the more the game progresses, while in my very first BL2 run(back then like in 2014 playing with my cousin on a PS3), I still remember the only legendary I got was the flakker by the end and it felt very, VERY special.
Just want my rare legendary drops back, repeated BL2 so many times but not a whole lot reason to repeat BL3 for me personally, the specific part hunting b0res me to death
The community is very split on this. The only fix I can see to make everyone happy is give us an option/toggle when creating a character (Old school drops / lootsplosion drops)
The problem with these games isnt the fact that we see too many legendaries the problem is part variance and has been since 2019 when all i ever hear anyone say is that theirs too many legendaries, no theirs too many parts. The problem is how long it can realistically take you to find god rolls due to part variance. I have zero problem with legendaries raining everywhere amidst the astronomical level of part variance in these games.
Later on in BL2's life-cycle (a patch that was done I think a few weeks before the Fight for Santcuary DLC) they just about tripled the rate legendaries dropped at. Maybe it's because I haven't played BL3 in a hot minute but I feel like they got legendary drops right (at least before Mayhem mode silliness kicked in).
Personally prefer borderlands 3’s amount of drops because with borderlands 2 it often feels like im not rewarded at all
But i do think atleast world drops should be lowered quite a bit
@@MajaEmilieWinkler agreed fighting op10 raid bosses and only getting greens and blues just makes me feel like i wasted my time.
I really do enjoy your content and I welcome videos like this, it bring a lot of things in the series to everyone's attention especially the developers. In hopes of improving the what they make for us to enjoy.
Such a nice video, I just recently started a fresh new Moze, and im trying to go all the way of the game without picking up a legendary to see If It makes any difference, and with the care they took making the guns feel so nice as they did it, It feels that once u pick up that legendary that destroys the game u miss a big part of it. Its just sad that they want to throw in your face so easily such cool guns with so many different gimmicks to just get a hellwalker randomly and be overpowered af.
Im now enjoying all the purples and blues I get and even be surprised by how good SOME of they are, something that in previous playthroughs i didnt even realize because muy backpack was full of orange.
Lets see if they hear the community and keep it up with this kind of videos, such good content :D
i think the reason BL2 feels so special (of course other than nostalgia) is that personally i think legendary drop rate was perfect BL3 theyre everywhere so they dont feel too special but then wonderlands felt even more common imo. BL2 you can farm for things and technically always have decent legendaries to carry you through it but its still uncommon enough to use the lower tier weapons. Things like Topnea,vladof snipers, torgue shotguns and other ones i cant think of right now feel amazing to use and are a solid transition into your next legendary. i feel like in BL3 the only time you use non legendaries is for certain gimmick builds like torgue sticky fl4k era
Hey Joltsdude139 I LOVE your channel and have so much love for the borderlands series. I hope you are doing okay since I noticed you havent streamed in a while or uploaded a new video. Much love from a huge fan of what you do!
This was a great video. I played BL, BL2, BL3, back in the day when BL2 first came out I was a bit younger didn’t know about farming or anything like that. Looked for tips and tricks but ended up just beating the game and moving on. I’ve recently became a father and needed a game to play that I can play but pause whenever I wanted, BL2 was the game I have been playing again but taking the game to a whole new level. Your videos have helped so much. Thanks for every. One thing I gotta ask has a Salvador myself. The pistol build with the Harold and the lady fist. I need a new OP lady first but is there a reason you change the nozzle and lady first? Again great video and game plays
Joltz, you should make more of these. I'd love to hear what you were going to say with the unfinished scripts and it's nice to hear you fairly speak out on major complaints
For mission reward farming in vendors, you can have certain mission reward items be dedicated to the maps that the mission is in.
I would love more rambly vids like this
It would be nice to put unique mission rewards in the vendor of the zone associated with the side mission after it’s completion. Possibly even combining this with the addition of a new machine post story completion in each of the zones.
I think the surprise elements are the most memorable and exiting. Probably my most exciting moment playing bl2 was during my first uvhm run, walking into tundra express almost immediately a giant vermi pod appeared. Another good hidden weapon is the excalibastard in tps.
Not sure if someone commented this already but an idea for the quest reward vendor you talked about, what it could be is that the vendor sells the item at the level you got it at then at the end of the story it scales up to the highest level for the playthrough.
eg. you get the sand hawk at lvl 40 in TVHM, then you kill the warrior you can buy it at lvl 50.
Another addon to this idea is maybe you can spend eridium to reroll the weapon from the vendor and have the ability to lock parts at an increased reroll cost.
8:50 concerning the OP legendary items in early game. I think most people don't inform themselves how drops work or who drops what strong item before a first run (at least i don't know anybody who does). And even if you get lucky and find that Harold or Fastball, it is as you said: You get a fun toy for the next 10 levels, with which you can oneshot almost everyting. But that also makes you wonder what other awesome items you can get from all the uniqe enemies.
I, for example, didn't even realize there was something like dedicated drops until I started watching your videos! I just played the game with the color progression and started finding random legendaries in the endgame. I still remember how surprised I was when I found my first Unforgiven in a red chest.
After watching a few of your ultimate runs I started planning my own playthroughs more in depth and got another 500 hours out of BL2. And even though I don't much enjoy minmaxing I love making noticeable progress in my builds and equipment. And that is definitely easier, more versatile and, quite simply, much more fun with dedicated drops.
Because everything is better than farming Graveward for half an hour just because he is the most eficient world drop farm.
You captured everything pretty perfectly here, the reason 2 is so good is because is gives so many reasons to keep coming back for everything, not just one small endgame activity. 3 did a pretty good job after everything was all said and done, but they really are dropping the ball if they think Wonderlands style chaos grinding is what we all want.
I love playing bl2 for farming for guns. Trying to find the best weapon parts and prefixes is what made revisiting maps worth it
Talking about creative ways to farm doc mercy. My favorite by far is to time your jump with one of the geysers near the giant pig station to jump towards the boss spawn location. I have never used the infinity pistol for more than maybe one area since the pattern makes it feel very inaccurate, but I tend to still farm the boss on playthroughs since the route is fun.
Joltz, your luck must be contagious. As I'm watching this video, I get a Diepa. Thanks bro.
Taking a shot every time Joltz says “dedicated”
Watching this video made me think of something that i would personally like to see implemented: the old rate from Bl2 (1 in 30), but adding something like a weapon customization station where you can roll or re-roll parts/elements in exchange for a special currency like eridium, crystals, etc. if you make that currency to be a bit more rare you can still have some farming time whilst keeping that special weapon that fits your build and playstyle
With respawning unique enemy’s xenoblade chronicles 2 does it well where it leaves a gravestone that you can interact with to respawn them and it lets you know how long it took to kill them
First of all, i rlly enjoy these types of vids and I'd love to see more
For the topic discussed: i pretty much agree with your points and especially the respawn via traveling to the fast travel or leaving the boss room would be a big change that would especially benefit console gamers like me. I think that the changes you suggested should at least be thought through by gearbox for bl4 and the only thing I'd add would be a vendor that maybe had a selection of weapons or equipment and you could change the pool or certain type with a new Ressource or eridium ( mainly taking inspiration by the seraph vendors which have certain pools of gear )
Downloaded bl2 for the first time in a long while maybe 4 years and it feels like a breath of fresh air, glad to see when I search borderlands 2 you are the first thing to come up lol
One thing I'd like to see is each boss have one or more dedicated loot drops and then have a pool of drops that are world drops(maybe have the dedicated farm be like the grinder or loot bunny). The world drops use a different unique part than the barrel, allowing for dedicated drops to have a rare chance to drop with a world drop part - a hybrid.
I've had such a problem putting my finger on why I don't want to replay wonderlands after doing my first one and starting a second but getting no legendaries definitely is a big one. I still remember in my first playthrough of borderlands 3 near the start I had the Barrage drop from skrak and even though it doesn't have some crazy effect, it was so cool getting to use a legendary for awhile until it dropped off, and I still have it mounted on my wall
Watching joltz play through the peak is like watching art in action.
Glad to see you back :)
if they’re worried about people “meta gaming” right off the bat (like how joltz goes for harold fastball right away) then they should make the best farms late game.
I just wanted to say, after an 8 month hiatus ur channel has single handedly re-ignited my love for the game
It would be cool, if fast travel stations from borderlands would work like the bonfires from Darksouls.
For example: the moment when u press „e“ on the fast travel ststion, every enemy will get resetted.
So you dont waste time with thinks like quit the game and reload the game
Great video. Dedicated farming is really an essential aspect to "looter shooter" games.
This could not be more true, what a great video. I absolutely love this franchise but Bl1 had the chest farming which was super fun and Bl2 had the dedicated drops which was amazing. Sadly the other games haven’t been able to come close to the longevity and just out right enjoyment of these 2 juggernauts. Hopefully there’s a borderlands 2 remastered soon. Love the vids Joltz🤙🤙
Lots of really good points. I hope the devs watch this and take it on board for Wonderlands / any future titles
Boss Coins or Tokens. And it takes a certain combo to unlock a boss arena. So you can fight bosses in the arena and they only drop their dedicated loot pool. Like the Slaughter Shaft but just bosses. The drop chance could stay the same but say you put in 3 Graveward coins, you fight Graveward 3 times no reset. Or Savage Lee and 2 Road Dog all at once to get their dedicated drop. And certain combos could unlock higher tier gear such as chaotic takes 2 of this and 1 of this and 1 of that in order to get the chaotic variant to drop. And then you have a fun endgame that while is repeatable, isn't just 5 sec wipe everything rinse repeat.
Joltzdude139, your videos so very funn. Thank you👍👍👍
I think you could maybe tie the rarity system into your level like say 1-10 whites are most common with some greens, 11-20 blues start to drop and green/white becomes the common, 21-30 epic starts to spawn, blues become a little more common so on and at 31-40 legendary starts to drop at maybe a little lower chance than once you reach max level.
Might not be to everyones liking, but I could support that kind of dropsystem, almost like it is in most mmo or rpgs. It would let the developers design the early game for you going up in rarity over time and by the end of normal mode or once you start a TVHM-like mode you can than destroy the game with legendaries if you like.
Mission rewards could be added to the specific minibosses like in the BL2 community patch is a good way to do it I think, I like on my Maliwan Maya to run in a kill Toothless Terry for the Pimpernel and hope I get a good roll and element.
I agree with everything, the lack of dedicated loots in Wonderlands is what has made me not even buy it yet and waiting for a good sale to try it for the story. Right now I play BL2 the most and drop in to BL3 once in a while, it got better with dedicated loot, but I still don't like the mayhem modifiers to the weapons/grenades/shields.
Amazing video, whenever I was thinking "But there's this and that" you just said right after, this goes to show how close we from the community want the same thing.
~And just to add I think a good idea to make farming cool, also without save and quitting, would be to bring Underdome back, *BUT REWORK IT* a lot of people disliked the underdome, but I think it was because it was way too long and had close to no reward, cut at least in half the duration for it, add new mods(maybe one with just bosses), and make it rewardable, it's a Slaughterdome+
~Also for the mission reward, I think one way to do it, is to just make those items parts locked, since they're uniques easy to get, I don't think making those specific items part locked would be a bad idea, Borderlands 3 did this(except when it was a legendary) and well, you didn't have to keep farming over and over quest rewards...
Also also the Eridian Fabricator drops all mission reward guns, nades and shields.
Joltz, your personal opinions and translations of the community’s opinion are always so, so appreciated. Never worry about whether people won’t enjoy a non-playthrough video or just a video talking about stuff like this, like that pearlescent video you did a little while back. We need voices like yours, people who love the games so much and truly just want to see them shine and have so much of the community look up to them. Let’s hope that the community banding together can get Gearbox to take more notice to what we’re saying and the worries we genuinely have about upcoming titles. As always, phenomenal vid 👌
I think there needs to be a variety of drop tables for dedicated and generic loot. It gets way too boring only having one or the other.
Having a button on fast travel stations that respawns unique enemies/resets the map would be a nice way of keeping the search for better skips while also enabling co-op farming and getting rid of save quit farming. Could also be used to re-issue quests that you’ve already completed, or maybe have that as a station in the hub of the game.
I’m also a fan of having low drop rates for high tier loot, but for some items, trying to get a good roll takes way too long.
My perfect system would be to have a grinder like machine that requires some rare end game resource and allows you to swap the parts on unique/legendary guns. It would be limited so you had to have the same gun so the parts would be “compatible”. And I’d probably also make it so that the donor gun gets destroyed in the process. That way there’s always an incentive to farm for the dedicated loot because you can combine all your farming efforts without feeling like you wasted hours without getting the drop you wanted.
I think it would be nice to have a system implemented that would allow us to get the specific parts on a weapon we want, maybe something like the grinder from tps where when you put three of the same legendary guns you get out that same gun with new parts and the matching parts would stay. I think the would help counter the problem of needed to farm for specific element/part as it should make it more unlikely to get a drop 10 times but in the wrong element/prefix.
I think a way to deal with the balance issue would be have separate versions of items that drop from bosses. Not just based on level, but like first time killing a boss they have a really high chance to drop a blue or purple version of their legendary item, which has the same special mechanic or gimmick, but does less damage or something to make it inferior. Then when you go back and farm the boss, the drop chance lowers, but you can try to get the legendary version of the item with whatever rolls you're looking for. Kind of like some dungeon rewards in MMO's like WoW, where the base version of the dungeon drops a blue item, but the hard mode of that same dungeon drops a purple version with vastly better stats. Just an idea they could play around with to make the loot more interesting. Would also give players something to look forward to on repeat playthroughs, if they know a certain boss drops a really fun weapon to play with.
I couldn’t agree more with Joltz! One thing a lot of people tend to forget as well is Borderlands is a FANTASTIC co-op game! But the way farming works in BL2 it’s so jumbled if trying to farm dedicated drops with friends! I would love if you traveled out of map and back in enemies/bosses would reset! Then you could have fun farming with your friends! Imagine having 2 or 3 buddies huddled around a loot pool searching and reading stats for a legendary after FINALLY getting it together!
The issue I see with mission rewards is, once you turn in the mission, you are locked in the menu with no way out but to accept the reward and move forward. Imagine if you could hit the "escape" key and back out of the menu without turning in the mission, then save-quit and get another roll at the reward. This would be functionally identical to read-only farming without the drawbacks.
what do you think of a parts bench for weapons? let's say you can take the matching grip off a gun that has bad parts and put that good grip on a nearly perfect one. you'd still have to farm for that gun both times and get the lucky rolls, just not all at once
I'd say the Last Rites has to be one of the funnest weapons to use, and for me, Mistrial of The Gull is an underrated but very strong Assault Rifle, I always do every single quest so it's relieving to find them in Vending Machines, especially if you'd want one at the max Chaos Level.
I'm a bit discouraged after farming multiple times in BL3 when the level cap kept increasing. On console! Thanks for the vid Joltz ❤
dedicated farming would be better if we had a workshop system
have you been wanting a perfect legendary to your needs? you can farm a couple and scrap some of the legendaries in the workshop (found at the sanctuary hub area) for 1 part of their respective gun/shield. so, you can scrap a harold for the torgue grip and then later on fuse that grip into another harold you have to make the perfect dpuh. this system could also be used for every weapon in the game. and for legendaries, maybe you can only have 2 parts stored at a time to make farming a necessity still. but maybe not
Been a while since u did videos like this
On pre there’s a shotgun that can carry you for a long time if you get lucky at a vending machine or at red belly.
The boomacorn is a shotgun that shoots one of every element type, each pellet is a different element. I got it at redbelly for the first time, it’s best if you shoot at the ground beneath the feet of your enemy cause it’s basically a splash damage weapeon
Hard agree, I finally got around to making a Blightcaller in WL and hit lvl 40. I'm now trying to figure out what I want to farm for and what direction I want to take my build. I looked up some of rhe gear I wanted and it basically comes down to Chaos Chamber or the Wheel of Fate. Like I just want to be able to go to a specific boss and get stuff. Sure some things do have dedicated drops but you have to go through a whole dungeon or mirror just to get nothing. It just a horrible time investment. Like I don't mind if Chambers and the Wheel were an alternative, but they shouldn't be the only option.
It's a cool drinking game when you do it every "dedicated farming".
Yo Joltz
What are your guns in bl2 you like to farm like every normal mode playthrough on any character, like in general?
Though there is in fact dedicated farming in Wonderland but you do get more sent to de the bunnies making it a afterthought. I dont think the problem is the amount you get but the part variety.
In bl2 weapons only had a few parts (about 900 variants per weapon) making it easier to get a legendary that you want, from bl3 onwards the part variety (about 80000 variants per weapon) makes it near impossible to get a good parted weapon.
Part variety has to change just change the drop rates the same and no dice.
Hey Joltz! I think it'd be fun if you did a legendary only run, it would give a challenge on what you can use and would give even more farming
Bl2 actually has bosses that spawn without save quitting too, like bunker and some tps minibosses doesn´t require save-quit, but great video as always