@@scottwetherington3687 The lawsuit additionally alleges that during Flores' tenure with the Dolphins, team owner Stephen Ross pressured him to deliberately lose games, offering him $100,000 for each game he lost in order for the Dolphins to get better draft picks for the following season, and to tamper with a quarterback before free agency. Flores alleges that he was fired by Ross in retaliation for his refusals to tank (in the process, achieving two consecutive winning seasons) and to tamper
Flores was an idiot. First, you coach the team you get. Sure coaches have say but those coaches have a long track record of winning. I am sure Andy Reid or Belicheck draft the players they wanted. Flores has done nothing so he gets who the GM drafts. Tua was also not the only one that Flores had a problem with. Many players have come out and said Flores was hard to work with. Look at Minkah Fitzpatrick. He was a pro-bowl safety still in his rookie contract and we traded him away. Because he and Flores clashed. Say what you want about Tua, with McDaniel as coach Tua is the best QB since Marino. Is he perfect? No. But compared to the 20 other QBs we have seen come and go he is the best.
McDaniels is smart...he KNOWS he needs his QB to play well in order to keep his job,,and to have the most successful team possible...so you encourage the dude and try to help him instead of trying to beat him down....
@@koji3759he's the complete opposite but has the same level of success as a head coach and far less as an assistant. Let's see how they both look come the end of their careers
@@donywahlberg Mike is already more successful as a head coach than Josh. He made it to a 3rd season without the team falling apart and everyone in the building hating him, something Josh didn't manage with the Broncos or Raiders.
The dolphins lowkey have a pretty easy schedule. I could see them going 12-5 again, Tua has been great over the past 2 seasons and I dont see that changing anytime soon.
Similar situation happened when Eric Mangini was the Browns coach. Read up on how poorly he and his staff treated Colt McCoy. Even worse than telling him he was garbage, Mangini and his staff ignored McCoy. Literally refused to speak to him. Google it. It's mind boggling.
Lots of stories kinda came out of the Mangini days. That one isn't one I heard, but wow! Maybe now that Colt retired he will speak on his browns years soon. He was put into a near impossible situation with a staff like that.
For Tua I hope he wins a ring in MIA with MCDaniel and shows the world how little Flores knows about offense. Imagine earning a golden opportunity, getting upset about which good QB you got, then you shoot yourself in the foot bc you can’t move on from not getting your way, and then you play the race card to try and cover for your poor decisions. That’s HC material right there. Some one should hire that guy and make him middle management somewhere, just not in the NFL. Honestly the you’re not good enough “tough love” might work on some guys, but as a HC it’s your job to know which guys it would work on and which it’s not.
I'm a Dolphins fan but how did Tua look against Baltimore, Philly, and Buffalo on the final game at home..?? And what happened when they played KC in the playoffs..?? Was Flores responsible for that too..??
With all due respect… Mike does not help him with his deficiencies, therefore he is not a good coach. He makes Tua “feel” better, but his issues still remain. He can’t throw on the run, he has “happy feet” in the pocket and he can’t play in cold weather. You need a tough hard nosed coach to lead a team into tough conditions and McDaniel is not that.
I’m just glad my Dolphins get both of their Bills’ games over with in the first half of the season, don’t have to go to Buffalo in December, and likely won’t have to play against Milano in either Regular Season game if Milano is projected to be out until December. Not saying the Dolphins will win or can win either of those Bills’ games just because Milano won’t be playing. But their chances of winning increase slightly with Milano out. Obviously, if MVP Josh Allen takes over, the Dolphins could easily be looking at 0 - 2 against their divisional opponent for the second year in a row, regardless of who is out for the Bills due to injury.
@@daltonoftheyearcompletely irrelevant, tough love means you still believe in them. Flores made it obvious that he didn’t want Tua and made it his personal agenda to kick Tua down just cos he didn’t get his way
@@roshan2865You don’t know what he said and when he said it. This is Tua’s version. The guys in Minnesota say different. Maybe Tua is soft? Did anybody think about that?
@@Dbo_Sports Maybe he is soft, but a good coach has to understand his players and do what’s required to get the best out of them. Flores obviously didn’t know how to get the best from Tua. Not a good coach.
@@glxssy_bxrbie5693so did coach Mike, but that suddenly doesn't mean anything when the guy you like is under fire. Go cheerlead for another team, you're unwanted.
Hey, isn't that when Flores was offered money for losing? Or are we in another year? Flores is a D coach. Like Mike Zimmer. And Zimmer had to deal with Kirk Cousins.
Basically, Flores never wanted Tua. He wanted Jordan Love. Some originally speculated that it was Justin Herbert who Flores wanted, but it later came out a few years back it was Jordan Love.
@@smileyheadshotYea dude thank God Brady pulled the team even though we didn’t make or lost the superbowl *every* time we were an offensive team that ran through Brady (2007, 2010, 2011, 2017) and we won every time we were a defensive team than ran through Belichick (2001, 2003-2004, 2014, 2016, 2018). In 2001 Brady fumbled in the Tuck Rule game. He admits we should’ve lost. Didn’t play the AFC Championship game either. Only reason we won the Super Bowl was the Ty Law pick 6. Won in 2003-2004 with the #1 defense in the league. Defense literally won it in 2014. Only reason we were down so much in 2016 was cuz Brady threw like a 70 yard pick 6. 2018 Brady threw 0 TDs and 1 interception and won a Super Bowl lol. Yikes. It was all him, duh.
but the hole in your theory is that Flores did not fail....think about it, made that shitty Dolphins team a playoff team with one of the worst starting QBs in the AFC.........
Outside the Browns Staff, he's had no protoges that delivered. Saban, Ferentz, and Pat Hill are the only real successful coaches in the tree. Notice how all 3 are college coaches? Hard Authoritarians. That works in college, not the NFL.
@@Charleybones Josh McDaniels burned down two franchises, which I think serves even more warning against hiring Flores as anything more than a coordinator.
@@chrisuncleahmad666 minkah demanded it. Flores didn't want to give him up. But he was forcing him to play a spot Minkah didn't want to play. It got heated
@@jonathanmuldrow8458had a winning record before Tyreek. Has a winning record in games Tyreek has missed. Has a winning record overall. And not just oh, he’s 2 games above a .500 record. He has won 66%+ of his games. In the 11 or 12 games Tua missed since becoming the starter, the Dolphins have a .250 batting average, including the 4.5 games Tua missed in the 2022 regular season. They have won on average, 1 out of every 4 games that Tua missed over the first 3 seasons. They win 2 out of every 3 when he’s on the field. Regardless of who is on the field around him.
More than anything B Flores is living proof that the Belichick coaching tree / style was vastly overvalued due to the sheer luck of having Tom Brady as his QB. In the modern game abusive coaching styles seem doomed to have a ceiling at Defensive Coordinator….
I think it was intentional by Belichick. He has no interest in leaving a coaching tree, so he selected based on talent, and basically nothing else. His coordinators were great at their role, but none were true leaders, and that is what being an NFL coach is really about.
@@no_name-zo1hyi don’t know if it’s intentional to not leave behind a legacy of coaches…. I do agree though that he was choosing his coaches on specific needs
Fyi - Nick Saban was Belichick's Defensive Coordinator for the Cleveland Browns (1991-1994). He didn't do well as an HC in the NFL, but many would consider him a GOAT College HC. They're good friends, but Saban may have misdirected Belichick about his star QB, Mac Jones, who only functions w/ 5-star level guys around him. He needs hugs & ice cream cones from Doug Pedersen. 🙄
I am a casual NFL fan, and I don’t watch a lot of AFC East football. For several years I kept hearing about what a bum Tua was, and that the dolphins were basically just keeping him until they could cut him. But every time I saw him on the field, he looked pretty good, so I was wondering where this reputation came from. I guess we know…
Miami hasn’t had a losing season since drafting Tua. They had 3 winning seasons in the 16 seasons before drafting Tua and they never had back to back winning seasons.
Not the first time we heard this. From domestic abuse to constantly blaming others, Flores isn’t widely liked. Never met him, have no interest to. Tua has every right to dislike him.
Flores wanted Herbert, the Dolphins front office wanted Tua. Mike McDaniels saved Tua's career. And Tyreke Hill joining the Dolphins made that move justifiable.
I’ve always believed in tua especially when a lot of my friends and fans said they want to move on from him and that he isn’t the answer. But this was at the time that Flores was the head coach and now knowing tua’s actual prospects I believe Flores made everyone feel like tua was a terrible QB and that was the narrative for years! it was cancerous for the fan base and the locker room and the media. I’m happy tua got paid and found a great scheme with coach mcDaniel. Also rich you’re the man you’ve been talking about how good tua is for a long time not like these other analysts, you are a real one!!
My highschool football coach was my Mike McDaniel. He would put me in plays that I thought I had no business being a part of. And I was always shocked at the success that I had. He believed in me more than I believed in myself. It took me from being an average player to a good player.
Flores was a POS. Worst coach in Dolphins history; I say this as a fan of 40 years. Total human garbage; tried to sabotage Tua's career to prove how smart he was.
But the Dolphins had back to back winning seasons for the first time in 20 years… He won with nothing compared to what the Dolphins have done for Tua & McDaniels
A coach's job is to motivate players to get the most out of themselves. Not all players will respond the same, but your job as a coach is to know what makes that player tick.
Everyone who called the nfl racist for not hiring Brian Flores should publicly apologize to Tua bill belichick the giants John elway Brian Flores smeared people and destroyed reputations even tuas that they are still recovering because of his ego it’s one thing to take a stand for a cause it’s another to ruin innocent lives for a cause which is what Flores did tua is still criticized by the Ryan Clark’s because they are friends with Flores the worst part this hurts coaches that really are being discriminated against cause of their race
It's all on Brian Flores that old cheater Bill Belicheat called to congratulate him on the NYG job, only for it to be Brian Deboll. ...... Your post isn't bright at all.
??? Tua and McDaniel haven't done anything yet. McDaniels' record is almost identical to Flores' in his last two seasons. Offense has looked better but the roster was significantly improved so it certainly should look better. Flores, by naming names to back up his assertion that the NFL does token interviews, didn't "smear" anyone. With Belichick and NYG he shared his proof and neither Bill nor NYG responded to explain how his proof wasn't valid. Elway denied bc of course, that's what he's supposed to do, but then he elaborated to defend his appearance and why it could've been perceived as "disheveled". Just because the NFL wants to sweep it under the rug doesn't mean it didn't happen.
@karimglasgow5518 I couldn't have explained it any better than you I forgot the elway situation and only focused on the giants because of how egregious it was
It's extra gross that some Vikings fans are defending this behavior, there's being a hard a** and then there's being an a**hole and Flores definitely crossed the line here into a**hole territory if this is true- some Vikings fans are even throwing Tua childhood abuse in his face as some kind of twisted a defense ("Oh his dad beat him with a belt but he calls Flores a monster?!?!") Like what, just because he suffered worse abuse as a kid, he can't call out lesser abuse now? WTF is wrong with them?
Wow, indeed. Mac Jones and Tua haven't been setting the world on fire. We'll see how it goes. All I know is when I was their ages I wasn't stupid enough to think I knew better than the people who had actually achieved things.
Why did Flores treat Tua that way? Tua came from a very tough team at Alabama and was not a cupcake there. Saban wasn’t easy to play for, but he gave positive reinforcement every day.
@@jaahnnnno one is getting another coaching job after almost ruining a franchise QB. Every GM and owner is not gonna risk letting him coach a young QB again
And yet Flores has completely turned around a Vikings defense, with next to nothing, and all his players love him. Tua has a million weapons, a perfect scheme, and is still a mid tier QB. Hmmmmmmmm. Grow up lil guy, football is tough.
Time to move on. Tua has a lot to prove this season with his new contract extension. He is an okay QB who needs to start beating good teams in the regular season. Good luck.
Truly. This is becoming a mindset across the NFL. Steelers fans posted more about Kenny Pickett this week than their own team, my fellow Pats junkies are still obsessing and blaming the roster on Bill, and Tua is stun locked because his NFL coach didn't pat him on the head. I have empathy and I can relate sometimes to the mental health issues players talk about but I also don't make $10mil a year to play a game. I have to do spreadsheets and bullshit. These dudes are so persecuted over fucking everything it gets old.
He's beaten good teams before you people live under a rock he's beaten the Ravens and bills before most recently the cowboys. Injuries have plagued this team if they stay healthy they can win 13 or 14 games no problem that's how deep they are
@@jikan-tabi-1888 you agree with the man that got fired because he can’t coach? 😂😂 okay little buddy, good luck with that. Tua is one of the 10 best QBs in the league
Is it just me, or is Rich's "Tua Love-in" getting earlier each season? Never, in the field of football, has so much praise been wasted by so many on so little. He can't win big games He can't make clutch plays He can't beat teams with a winning record For a period of 5 weeks or so at the end of last season they didn't even give him the ball to throw in the red zone - they ran everything because he was more likely to throw an INT than a TD! He's a good QB - no better, no worse. He'll never win a playoff game at the Dolphins. He doesn't have it in him.
I’m sure that Flores said what Tua said but I also wonder if it was ever said or if he took it as being implied by Flores not showing trust in Tua and resorting to Fitzmagic time and time again. Call me naive but what good would it be to tell your rookie QB everyday that he sucks. I also wonder if Tua is saying the words he felt by Flores’ actions because the second thing he said was he was told someone is better. Again did he imply that language by being passed aside for the backup QB?
Different people respond to different approaches & Flores either wasn't smart enough to know that or really wanted to hurt Tua's future! Either way not good!
@@chrisuncleahmad666he's been to the conference championship game and at least won a few wild card games. Tua has won jack in the playoffs and those games are meaningful.
I work in the mental health field. POSITIVE REENFORCEMENT matters. That really can make or break people. I'm proud of Tua for coming out to speak about it. I liked Flores, but now I understand why he isn't a head coach (hc) now. Granted, there are other circumstances (ownership, trying to lose and suing the league) why Flores isn't a hc.
Worth noting that Flores has a SB ring, unlike McDaniel and Tua, and despite the organization trading away all their best players for the future assets that were used to give all the current offensive talent, Flores had the same record in his last 36 games as McDaniel has had in his 36 games as Dolphins coach.
@@leonardobraynen1524Pygmalion. It was a classic tale of Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder. A popular guy sees something in a "lesser" woman and goes about proving she's misunderstood. She's All That! And 10 Things I Hate About You are popular remakes of the idea.
First two years Tua still won more games than Herbert. Herbert did nothing, still no playoff wins for him too much no one cried when he got $50 million but Tua don’t deserve $53 million? Please
@@j-boy9256vrabel has had mixed reviews from players. Wesley woodyard said he hated him, AJ Brown loves him. Same for most everyday people I suppose, everyone isn't going to like you.
These old school Parcells types are a relic of an older time. The drill instructor methods don't work with the young players. That's why Bellichek is not coaching anymore.
As someone who has been a player, and worked as a coach (though not coached NFL level) on staffs, the idea you get a player on your team who isn't a bad kid behavior wise, that will work hard, that is moldable and willing to listen to coach decisions first, and you effectively stomp that kid out for not being the one you want is (if true) ridiculous. As a former coach my job was never to make you become what I wanted you to be, but for you to be the best you could be as a person as a player. Because when I worked at each level, I didn't get to choose my players. But they did choose to come play for me. And I had to go out of my way to earn that respect they gave me every practice, every game day. By putting them in the best position to succeed as a football player and as a man. That tells me Flores doesn't understand his role as a coach has to be more then put a number to the X and the O's on the whiteboard. Not is, HAS to be.
As a Dolphins fan, I wish he didn’t do this interview. Coach Flo isn’t even in the same conference - it’s like being happily married with kids and venting about the ex that cheated on you in college. Just let it go, Bro! Focus on Jacksonville and nothing but that!
It didn't sound like he meant to say "person." He meant to say terrible but he couldn't think of the word for the role and advisor would play to the president in time and so just said "person" as a stand in for that specific word, and I think that makes a huge difference when analyzing a person's intent in their speech.
I think Flores deserved to be called out...after he played the race and discrimination card, I think many folks discerned he was a jerk and using that to blame for not being hired. I think he's probably a good coach overall as far as the x's and o's, but a phony as a person. Some of these people need to be called out.
I don't think Flores is a terrible person, his style of coaching just doesn't work in the 21st century. Also, Tua should save those comments until the Dolphins actually win a playoff game. If they don't make deep playoff runs these next few years, he'll be jettisoned from the organization along with McDaniel and Grier. Why does he keep talking about a man who hasn't said anything about him since getting fired?
A) You have the right to your opinion B) Flores' treatment of Tua has no relation to Tua winning in the playoffs, especially in a TEAM sport. C) He didn't start talking about Flores out of the blue, he was asked.
Sounds like Brian Flores took the Mike Zimmer route on not buying into the QB. I agree with Rich... it's not salty Tua... it's softy! I think as a player (specially QB) you got to be able to handle criticism... not want to be holding hands. You got to have the right mix of encouragement and critique. I see ppl here just accepting Tua's response but not once did it get pointed out any criticism at all? Yeah, Flores probably a hard a**... but we also shouldn't be wanted to be comforted all the time.
Players get this: It's great to see a positive reinforcement coach success story overcome a negative reinforcement coach failure when the coach blames every part of the team except themself. It's what team sports is all about.
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*Never* assume the football gods are done kicking the Jets in the nards.
Wise words sir. Wise words.
I never was
Smelling a 6-7 win season tbh 😮😅
If you werent with the Jets when they went 7-10, dont switch up when they go 7-10 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Super bowl champs....packer fan here
Hearing Rich say “spit on that thing” is not something I was ready for
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Bro so old he gets memes in the mail
@@chrism6880 I'm 50 , and this is still funny. Good job! 🤣🤣
It's the influence of those Bussin' Boys . . . he finally did their podcast on the bus & Rich even swore! 😱 He tasted the freedom & wants more. 😅
Rich is brilliant when you're ready for it and when you're not!
I don't think it was ever "tough love." I don't think Flores wanted Tua there in the first place. tough love implies trying to help, no? 😄
Knew whatever Flores was doing was not tough love knowing damn well that Tua had been coached by his dad and Saban, both tough mf’ers as coaches
Flores wanted to draft Herbert from day 1. Grier wanted Tua.
Thats the #1 reason Flores was out in Miami.
@@flaviovelasquez4451 nope flores wanted Jordan Love
@@scottwetherington3687 The lawsuit additionally alleges that during Flores' tenure with the Dolphins, team owner Stephen Ross pressured him to deliberately lose games, offering him $100,000 for each game he lost in order for the Dolphins to get better draft picks for the following season, and to tamper with a quarterback before free agency. Flores alleges that he was fired by Ross in retaliation for his refusals to tank (in the process, achieving two consecutive winning seasons) and to tamper
Flores was an idiot. First, you coach the team you get. Sure coaches have say but those coaches have a long track record of winning. I am sure Andy Reid or Belicheck draft the players they wanted. Flores has done nothing so he gets who the GM drafts. Tua was also not the only one that Flores had a problem with. Many players have come out and said Flores was hard to work with. Look at Minkah Fitzpatrick. He was a pro-bowl safety still in his rookie contract and we traded him away. Because he and Flores clashed.
Say what you want about Tua, with McDaniel as coach Tua is the best QB since Marino. Is he perfect? No. But compared to the 20 other QBs we have seen come and go he is the best.
McDaniels is smart...he KNOWS he needs his QB to play well in order to keep his job,,and to have the most successful team possible...so you encourage the dude and try to help him instead of trying to beat him down....
McDaniel* … McDaniels is the complete opposite lol
@@koji3759 funny!
@@koji3759he's the complete opposite but has the same level of success as a head coach and far less as an assistant. Let's see how they both look come the end of their careers
@@donywahlberg Mike is already more successful as a head coach than Josh. He made it to a 3rd season without the team falling apart and everyone in the building hating him, something Josh didn't manage with the Broncos or Raiders.
The dolphins lowkey have a pretty easy schedule. I could see them going 12-5 again, Tua has been great over the past 2 seasons and I dont see that changing anytime soon.
Similar situation happened when Eric Mangini was the Browns coach. Read up on how poorly he and his staff treated Colt McCoy. Even worse than telling him he was garbage, Mangini and his staff ignored McCoy. Literally refused to speak to him. Google it. It's mind boggling.
Wow and people claim Mangini is this great personality lol
Lots of stories kinda came out of the Mangini days. That one isn't one I heard, but wow! Maybe now that Colt retired he will speak on his browns years soon. He was put into a near impossible situation with a staff like that.
Manging RUINED 2 NFL franchises..he's a hack
No big surprise, the Belichick coaching tree is a urine soaked bush. The brightest spots being Saban, Daboll, and Bill O'Brien.
yea and there was no story on it or anyone talking about it
Glad Rich is back
Yeah wtf he normally take off literally when there's football going on?!
@@bdubs532 a lot of these guys take their vacations during the summer
Unwatchable without him. His cronies are dancing clowns. Lol
@@besmorpheous football technically has started the HOF game was played...
@@bdubs532 I get it
For Tua I hope he wins a ring in MIA with MCDaniel and shows the world how little Flores knows about offense.
Imagine earning a golden opportunity, getting upset about which good QB you got, then you shoot yourself in the foot bc you can’t move on from not getting your way, and then you play the race card to try and cover for your poor decisions.
That’s HC material right there. Some one should hire that guy and make him middle management somewhere, just not in the NFL.
Honestly the you’re not good enough “tough love” might work on some guys, but as a HC it’s your job to know which guys it would work on and which it’s not.
You lost me at superbowl
I'm a Dolphins fan but how did Tua look against Baltimore, Philly, and Buffalo on the final game at home..?? And what happened when they played KC in the playoffs..?? Was Flores responsible for that too..??
How about beating a team with a winning record first. Tua and the Dolphins showed who they were everytime they played a good team.
@@seanchurchill5844We already beat the cowboys?
That will never happen.
Tua and Mike have a great relationship. He showed Tua what he does well. He built his confidence back up. Mike is a good coach. 😊
With all due respect… Mike does not help him with his deficiencies, therefore he is not a good coach. He makes Tua “feel” better, but his issues still remain. He can’t throw on the run, he has “happy feet” in the pocket and he can’t play in cold weather. You need a tough hard nosed coach to lead a team into tough conditions and McDaniel is not that.
As a Jets fan I've always hated Milano because he's so damn good and very underrated. Hope he makes a quick recovery.
I’m just glad my Dolphins get both of their Bills’ games over with in the first half of the season, don’t have to go to Buffalo in December, and likely won’t have to play against Milano in either Regular Season game if Milano is projected to be out until December. Not saying the Dolphins will win or can win either of those Bills’ games just because Milano won’t be playing. But their chances of winning increase slightly with Milano out. Obviously, if MVP Josh Allen takes over, the Dolphins could easily be looking at 0 - 2 against their divisional opponent for the second year in a row, regardless of who is out for the Bills due to injury.
Telling someone they suck is not tough love
not everyone was born after 2010.
@@daltonoftheyearcompletely irrelevant, tough love means you still believe in them. Flores made it obvious that he didn’t want Tua and made it his personal agenda to kick Tua down just cos he didn’t get his way
@@roshan2865You don’t know what he said and when he said it. This is Tua’s version. The guys in Minnesota say different. Maybe Tua is soft? Did anybody think about that?
@@Dbo_Sports Maybe he is soft, but a good coach has to understand his players and do what’s required to get the best out of them. Flores obviously didn’t know how to get the best from Tua. Not a good coach.
Let me guess, you were born in the last 30 years and have a lot of participation ribbons at home...
Keep suing the NFL and individual organizations instead of admitting you’re not a good coach. The truth will come out Bry
So don't prejudge the case. If Flores was white he'd get a second chance. McDaniels will get more chances even if he fails.
He had back to back winning seasons y'all know tua suck
@@glxssy_bxrbie5693so did coach Mike, but that suddenly doesn't mean anything when the guy you like is under fire. Go cheerlead for another team, you're unwanted.
Im glad Tua spoke his piece. Flores tried to kill his confidence. McDaniel encouraged him.
His dad used to beat him with a belt and he played for Saban...Now he's soft?
@@kevinathans4191this is about Brian Flores and people thinking he can do no wrong
@@kevinathans4191 - Everyone is different. And actually Tua is pretty tough. Played through a concussion.
@@kevinathans4191 "Soft", christ. Turns out encouragement works better than abuse, who knew but anyone who values evidence over assumption?
Hey, isn't that when Flores was offered money for losing? Or are we in another year? Flores is a D coach. Like Mike Zimmer. And Zimmer had to deal with Kirk Cousins.
Saban loved Tua. I’ll take Saban over Flores. There’s a difference between being tough and hard a** vs being just a douche Napoleon complex 🤷♂️
Was Flores a shrimp? I thought he was 6' 2"
@@jake105he could be 7 foot tall and still be a Karen
@@fishfana - I see. So It's more like a Napoleanna Complex.
What is Saban's NFL record?
@@jake105 and narcissistic
Basically, Flores never wanted Tua. He wanted Jordan Love. Some originally speculated that it was Justin Herbert who Flores wanted, but it later came out a few years back it was Jordan Love.
The problem with that is Love wouldn't be who he is today without the path he took. Miami wouldn't have been set up for him to do what he has done.
@@guacamole8989speculation speculation speculation
@@guacamole8989We will never know. No hate but Tua is winning you nothing.
@@mtadams2009 The future tell you that? Get outta here with that bs, Tua's good and haters like you have to double down cuz you were wrong. 🤷♂
Nobody wanted Love. Even Greenbay took him out of necessity and not because he wooed them.
I like Rich. He a jets fan. But is honest about Tua. And how good he looked Saturday.
Sounds like when Patricia said Darius Slay wasn't a good corner. These Patriot guys suck.
Darius Slay had two good seasons😂😂😂😂😂
As a Pats fan, they were all elevated far beyond their true worth because of Brady, Bill included.
You mean big play slay who gives up all the big plays lmaooooo
Yeah..shocker..all Bill Belicheck guys are hacks.
@@smileyheadshotYea dude thank God Brady pulled the team even though we didn’t make or lost the superbowl *every* time we were an offensive team that ran through Brady (2007, 2010, 2011, 2017) and we won every time we were a defensive team than ran through Belichick (2001, 2003-2004, 2014, 2016, 2018).
In 2001 Brady fumbled in the Tuck Rule game. He admits we should’ve lost. Didn’t play the AFC Championship game either. Only reason we won the Super Bowl was the Ty Law pick 6.
Won in 2003-2004 with the #1 defense in the league.
Defense literally won it in 2014.
Only reason we were down so much in 2016 was cuz Brady threw like a 70 yard pick 6.
2018 Brady threw 0 TDs and 1 interception and won a Super Bowl lol. Yikes.
It was all him, duh.
Brian Flores had that arrogant, worship me complex that so many Belichick assistants had, and they all failed because of it…
Flores was mild compared to Fat Patricia. The Lions suffered for 3 seasons under the "Patriot Way".
but the hole in your theory is that Flores did not fail....think about it, made that shitty Dolphins team a playoff team with one of the worst starting QBs in the AFC.........
Outside the Browns Staff, he's had no protoges that delivered.
Saban, Ferentz, and Pat Hill are the only real successful coaches in the tree.
Notice how all 3 are college coaches? Hard Authoritarians. That works in college, not the NFL.
@@Charleybones Josh McDaniels burned down two franchises, which I think serves even more warning against hiring Flores as anything more than a coordinator.
@@fabriziobettoni2547 Flores never made the playoffs.
Everybody in the coffee shop just side eye glanced at me for LOLing at the Hawk Tua line😂
😂😂😂
Yea god forbid anyone laughs . Tell them to mind their business before you put a croissant across their forehead
At no point did I expect to hear Rich Eisen say that on his show😂😂
@@jackreacher2095boomer joke
Not that serious... @@jackreacher2095
Flores tried to ruin his career. McDaniel saved it.
@@scruffd0g193 Flores gave away Minkah Fitzpatrick just 1 month into 2019
You think they could use him right now?
@@scruffd0g193 nah Tyreek Hill saved it
@@chrisuncleahmad666 minkah demanded it. Flores didn't want to give him up. But he was forcing him to play a spot Minkah didn't want to play. It got heated
McDaniel gave Tua a realistic opportunity to save it himself.
@@jonathanmuldrow8458had a winning record before Tyreek. Has a winning record in games Tyreek has missed. Has a winning record overall. And not just oh, he’s 2 games above a .500 record. He has won 66%+ of his games. In the 11 or 12 games Tua missed since becoming the starter, the Dolphins have a .250 batting average, including the 4.5 games Tua missed in the 2022 regular season. They have won on average, 1 out of every 4 games that Tua missed over the first 3 seasons. They win 2 out of every 3 when he’s on the field. Regardless of who is on the field around him.
More than anything B Flores is living proof that the Belichick coaching tree / style was vastly overvalued due to the sheer luck of having Tom Brady as his QB. In the modern game abusive coaching styles seem doomed to have a ceiling at Defensive Coordinator….
I think it was intentional by Belichick. He has no interest in leaving a coaching tree, so he selected based on talent, and basically nothing else. His coordinators were great at their role, but none were true leaders, and that is what being an NFL coach is really about.
@@no_name-zo1hyi don’t know if it’s intentional to not leave behind a legacy of coaches…. I do agree though that he was choosing his coaches on specific needs
@@no_name-zo1hyif there was any coach who would never in a million years hire someone equipped to take his job, it was Belichick.
Fyi - Nick Saban was Belichick's Defensive Coordinator for the Cleveland Browns (1991-1994). He didn't do well as an HC in the NFL, but many would consider him a GOAT College HC.
They're good friends, but Saban may have misdirected Belichick about his star QB, Mac Jones, who only functions w/ 5-star level guys around him. He needs hugs & ice cream cones from Doug Pedersen. 🙄
Sheer luck of having the 199th pick who threw an average of 25tds to 13ints per season up until 2007? Huhhh😂
Flores tried to run this kid's career and succeeded in ruining a lot of peoples' perception of him.
It's kinda despicable
How do you know?
Tua is a still a scrub without or without Flores...
Constructive criticism equals he hollered at me and told me I suck....... Millennials
Bravo, Rich, Tua truly earned the respect and will shine again this year, Phins Up!!
A little Rich goes a long way.
Unless he's chatting about YOUR team?
@robertjason6885 No, even then.
@@JohnLee-ud2gmHaha!
F%#* Flores. Happy for Tua having a coach that wants a better version of himself out there. Stay healthy, Tua/Dolphins 🙏
I am a casual NFL fan, and I don’t watch a lot of AFC East football. For several years I kept hearing about what a bum Tua was, and that the dolphins were basically just keeping him until they could cut him. But every time I saw him on the field, he looked pretty good, so I was wondering where this reputation came from. I guess we know…
Miami hasn’t had a losing season since drafting Tua. They had 3 winning seasons in the 16 seasons before drafting Tua and they never had back to back winning seasons.
Not the first time we heard this. From domestic abuse to constantly blaming others, Flores isn’t widely liked. Never met him, have no interest to. Tua has every right to dislike him.
I’ve seen plenty players like dude. He was just a dick to tua
Sounds like you’ve found an opportunity to pile on so you’re doing exactly that.
He’s got plot armor tho! Can you imagine if he was as evil as the kicker on the Chiefs? 😅
@@MrLonglovetheworldWhy is it piling on to be honest?
Domestic abuse? That's the first I'm hearing on that front. I don't see anything relating to Flores and DV online.
Flores wanted Herbert, the Dolphins front office wanted Tua. Mike McDaniels saved Tua's career. And Tyreke Hill joining the Dolphins made that move justifiable.
Every reporter for the miami Dolphins says flores wanted Tua.
When Tua started, "When you wake up every morning," I pictured him waking up to a daily text message from Flores that would just say, "I hate you."
Rich is back!
Flores generally cries about being a victim . But He has been exposed.
Typical for his type
Blah blah blah. The hell with Flores. Good riddance.
14:16 YOOOOOOO😂😂
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I’ve always believed in tua especially when a lot of my friends and fans said they want to move on from him and that he isn’t the answer. But this was at the time that Flores was the head coach and now knowing tua’s actual prospects I believe Flores made everyone feel like tua was a terrible QB and that was the narrative for years! it was cancerous for the fan base and the locker room and the media. I’m happy tua got paid and found a great scheme with coach mcDaniel.
Also rich you’re the man you’ve been talking about how good tua is for a long time not like these other analysts, you are a real one!!
Tua was asked a question and he answered it. Move on. Im tired of hearing about Flores.
Stop listening
I trust Tua, 100%. Flores is bad news.
but an elite defensive coordinator.
My highschool football coach was my Mike McDaniel. He would put me in plays that I thought I had no business being a part of. And I was always shocked at the success that I had. He believed in me more than I believed in myself. It took me from being an average player to a good player.
Flores was a POS. Worst coach in Dolphins history; I say this as a fan of 40 years. Total human garbage; tried to sabotage Tua's career to prove how smart he was.
But the Dolphins had back to back winning seasons for the first time in 20 years… He won with nothing compared to what the Dolphins have done for Tua & McDaniels
@@oohdafunks1 Flores was an awful coach. Miami made a HUGE mistake by bringing and ex-New England cast off. Horrible HC in every way. F---- Flores..=)
Quit blaming 'the football Gods' for the NY Jets futility, start blaming ownership and management.
FINS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!! LETS GO!!!!!!!!
A coach's job is to motivate players to get the most out of themselves. Not all players will respond the same, but your job as a coach is to know what makes that player tick.
Everyone who called the nfl racist for not hiring Brian Flores should publicly apologize to Tua bill belichick the giants John elway Brian Flores smeared people and destroyed reputations even tuas that they are still recovering because of his ego it’s one thing to take a stand for a cause it’s another to ruin innocent lives for a cause which is what Flores did tua is still criticized by the Ryan Clark’s because they are friends with Flores the worst part this hurts coaches that really are being discriminated against cause of their race
It's all on Brian Flores that old cheater Bill Belicheat called to congratulate him on the NYG job, only for it to be Brian Deboll.
...... Your post isn't bright at all.
???
Tua and McDaniel haven't done anything yet. McDaniels' record is almost identical to Flores' in his last two seasons. Offense has looked better but the roster was significantly improved so it certainly should look better.
Flores, by naming names to back up his assertion that the NFL does token interviews, didn't "smear" anyone. With Belichick and NYG he shared his proof and neither Bill nor NYG responded to explain how his proof wasn't valid. Elway denied bc of course, that's what he's supposed to do, but then he elaborated to defend his appearance and why it could've been perceived as "disheveled".
Just because the NFL wants to sweep it under the rug doesn't mean it didn't happen.
@karimglasgow5518 I couldn't have explained it any better than you I forgot the elway situation and only focused on the giants because of how egregious it was
Fins got injury bugged from thanksgiving on. By the playoff game we were depleted. Hope this years different
It's extra gross that some Vikings fans are defending this behavior, there's being a hard a** and then there's being an a**hole and Flores definitely crossed the line here into a**hole territory if this is true- some Vikings fans are even throwing Tua childhood abuse in his face as some kind of twisted a defense ("Oh his dad beat him with a belt but he calls Flores a monster?!?!") Like what, just because he suffered worse abuse as a kid, he can't call out lesser abuse now? WTF is wrong with them?
“The Dolphins have a really good team” “Yeah, for the first 12 weeks” 😂 ain’t that the truth
"Spit on that thing" TJ with the ayoooo pause Rich 🤣🤣🤣
Still not a Tua believer.
He is the primary reason the question is asked "Who have they beaten?"
Waiting
Wow, indeed. Mac Jones and Tua haven't been setting the world on fire. We'll see how it goes. All I know is when I was their ages I wasn't stupid enough to think I knew better than the people who had actually achieved things.
Brian Flores isnt someone who proved they had some superior plan of knowing wbat he was doing.
It’s rare that Rich makes me laugh out loud. Excellent job.
IN TUA WE TRUST!
Why did Flores treat Tua that way? Tua came from a very tough team at Alabama and was not a cupcake there. Saban wasn’t easy to play for, but he gave positive reinforcement every day.
Flores’s chances of landing another head coaching job in the NFL just fell to absolute zero.
Why don't we ask vikings players how they feel about flores before we live and die by what one guy says
Flores and the whole staff will be fired after this upcoming dismal season@@jaahnnn
@jaahnnn they all love him as does his former players, Gilmore just signed woth the vikings because of him.
@@jaahnnnno one is getting another coaching job after almost ruining a franchise QB. Every GM and owner is not gonna risk letting him coach a young QB again
And yet Flores has completely turned around a Vikings defense, with next to nothing, and all his players love him. Tua has a million weapons, a perfect scheme, and is still a mid tier QB. Hmmmmmmmm. Grow up lil guy, football is tough.
Belichick’s most impressive talent as a coach was acquiring as many jerks as possible on his staff.
Tough Love without Love is just being a jerk.
Time to move on. Tua has a lot to prove this season with his new contract extension. He is an okay QB who needs to start beating good teams in the regular season. Good luck.
Truly. This is becoming a mindset across the NFL. Steelers fans posted more about Kenny Pickett this week than their own team, my fellow Pats junkies are still obsessing and blaming the roster on Bill, and Tua is stun locked because his NFL coach didn't pat him on the head.
I have empathy and I can relate sometimes to the mental health issues players talk about but I also don't make $10mil a year to play a game. I have to do spreadsheets and bullshit. These dudes are so persecuted over fucking everything it gets old.
Tua is only okay? Bro what are you saying 🤡
@@joshuahodge8804 Ok. Slightly better than okay. I agree with BFlores. 👍
He's beaten good teams before you people live under a rock he's beaten the Ravens and bills before most recently the cowboys. Injuries have plagued this team if they stay healthy they can win 13 or 14 games no problem that's how deep they are
@@jikan-tabi-1888 you agree with the man that got fired because he can’t coach? 😂😂 okay little buddy, good luck with that. Tua is one of the 10 best QBs in the league
You had me at hawks-tua game of the year but to then hit the “spit on that thing” , you need a raise .
Flores set the foundation.
Exactly….
Flores knew tua doesn't have it.
Wait, so Flores is just an awful coach and his firing had nothing to do with his skin color?
YOU DON’T SAY
Rich is a gem for that Hawk Tua reference 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Brain Flores giving Josh McDaniels Vibes. Not a good leader or head coach but good as a coordinator.
Those boys were playing for him in Miami.
@@HogNDaGameAnd they told the truth about him after he was fired. He was just like every other Patriots failure.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 and a lot of them said he was a great coach and they liked playing for him. Tua came across as really soft imo.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 I don’t remember anyone bad mouthing him outside of Tua
@@e-wookie5085 softer than Charmin
Is it just me, or is Rich's "Tua Love-in" getting earlier each season? Never, in the field of football, has so much praise been wasted by so many on so little.
He can't win big games
He can't make clutch plays
He can't beat teams with a winning record
For a period of 5 weeks or so at the end of last season they didn't even give him the ball to throw in the red zone - they ran everything because he was more likely to throw an INT than a TD!
He's a good QB - no better, no worse. He'll never win a playoff game at the Dolphins. He doesn't have it in him.
Wow. Coach Flo really didn't like Tua. 😮
I’m sure that Flores said what Tua said but I also wonder if it was ever said or if he took it as being implied by Flores not showing trust in Tua and resorting to Fitzmagic time and time again. Call me naive but what good would it be to tell your rookie QB everyday that he sucks. I also wonder if Tua is saying the words he felt by Flores’ actions because the second thing he said was he was told someone is better. Again did he imply that language by being passed aside for the backup QB?
Almost spit out my drink at “hawks tua” hoLY
How is a Miami team in a AFC NE zone anyway.
I’d argue a freezer would have been easier to play in than KC on that miserable January night
Different people respond to different approaches & Flores either wasn't smart enough to know that or really wanted to hurt Tua's future! Either way not good!
0-12 in cold weather games.. still hasn't won any meaningful games.. When he does that I'll give him praise..
Hilarious, they weren't winning games in warm weather either..before he got there. When the last time Miami went to the playoffs in consecutive years.
@@legend1849 Ever hear of injuries, it’s a team sport but don’t let that stop ya
@@legend1849 Josh Allen has won nothing meaningful despite all his wins in cold weather games
@@chrisuncleahmad666he's been to the conference championship game and at least won a few wild card games. Tua has won jack in the playoffs and those games are meaningful.
@@s.vernon5118The last time was last year and this year actually.
I was gonna watch the shinning for the first time tonight. Thanks Rich
Mr tough guy Flores cried victim when he was fired.
Naw I think it had more to do with Belichick call about a job that wasn't officially filled
The owner tried to pay him to lose intentionally. He was a victim of the owner's meddling
Dog whistle comment.
I work in the mental health field. POSITIVE REENFORCEMENT matters. That really can make or break people. I'm proud of Tua for coming out to speak about it. I liked Flores, but now I understand why he isn't a head coach (hc) now. Granted, there are other circumstances (ownership, trying to lose and suing the league) why Flores isn't a hc.
Rich is wild 😂
Worth noting that Flores has a SB ring, unlike McDaniel and Tua, and despite the organization trading away all their best players for the future assets that were used to give all the current offensive talent, Flores had the same record in his last 36 games as McDaniel has had in his 36 games as Dolphins coach.
Exactly this. Not sure what's prompting the victory lap when they still haven't even won a playoff game yet.
week 3 I'll be gettin that goooood Hawk Tua ❤
Flores will win a SB as a head coach before McDaniels, Tua, or the 🐬. 8/31/24 2:11pm You heard it from me first.
Mike McDaniels and Tua are proof of how powerful the Pygmalion Effect really is.
Especially when a person has low self esteem
What have they accomplished exactly?
The *"WHAT EFFECT"???!*
😮
@@donywahlberg they are relevant and entertaining. They are building a winning organization.
@@leonardobraynen1524Pygmalion. It was a classic tale of Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder.
A popular guy sees something in a "lesser" woman and goes about proving she's misunderstood.
She's All That! And 10 Things I Hate About You are popular remakes of the idea.
First two years Tua still won more games than Herbert. Herbert did nothing, still no playoff wins for him too much no one cried when he got $50 million but Tua don’t deserve $53 million? Please
All these guys from the BB tree are jerks, with the exception of maybe Mike Vrabel.
@@j-boy9256vrabel has had mixed reviews from players. Wesley woodyard said he hated him, AJ Brown loves him. Same for most everyday people I suppose, everyone isn't going to like you.
Even Vrabel was hated by some but they were winning so it didn’t matter
Exception of Mike? He's the worst.....
@@zackhurwitz9441 Who cares what they say. Leadership is not a popularity contest! Every coach in history has players with something negative to say!
@@REE_IIII didn't say I cared. I even said "not everyone is going to like you".
Your username makes so much sense 😂
Reeeeeeee!!!!
6:48 "yea, Mcdaniels put a super team around me so I'd look good!"
Flores is an aweful coach and a worse human.
Has a similar record to McDaniels …so how exactly is he an awful coach??
These old school Parcells types are a relic of an older time. The drill instructor methods don't work with the young players. That's why Bellichek is not coaching anymore.
For about 12 weeks 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well said Brockman
As someone who has been a player, and worked as a coach (though not coached NFL level) on staffs, the idea you get a player on your team who isn't a bad kid behavior wise, that will work hard, that is moldable and willing to listen to coach decisions first, and you effectively stomp that kid out for not being the one you want is (if true) ridiculous. As a former coach my job was never to make you become what I wanted you to be, but for you to be the best you could be as a person as a player. Because when I worked at each level, I didn't get to choose my players. But they did choose to come play for me. And I had to go out of my way to earn that respect they gave me every practice, every game day. By putting them in the best position to succeed as a football player and as a man. That tells me Flores doesn't understand his role as a coach has to be more then put a number to the X and the O's on the whiteboard. Not is, HAS to be.
As a Dolphins fan, I wish he didn’t do this interview. Coach Flo isn’t even in the same conference - it’s like being happily married with kids and venting about the ex that cheated on you in college. Just let it go, Bro! Focus on Jacksonville and nothing but that!
Can’t get enough of how awkward Stugotz & Chris Cote look sitting next to Tua🤣😂
It didn't sound like he meant to say "person." He meant to say terrible but he couldn't think of the word for the role and advisor would play to the president in time and so just said "person" as a stand in for that specific word, and I think that makes a huge difference when analyzing a person's intent in their speech.
So much respect for the “Hawks Tua” jokes.
Tua's soft. Also, coming out years after the fact to throw Flores under the bus is just a punk move.
I think Flores deserved to be called out...after he played the race and discrimination card, I think many folks discerned he was a jerk and using that to blame for not being hired. I think he's probably a good coach overall as far as the x's and o's, but a phony as a person. Some of these people need to be called out.
I don't think Flores is a terrible person, his style of coaching just doesn't work in the 21st century. Also, Tua should save those comments until the Dolphins actually win a playoff game. If they don't make deep playoff runs these next few years, he'll be jettisoned from the organization along with McDaniel and Grier. Why does he keep talking about a man who hasn't said anything about him since getting fired?
A) You have the right to your opinion
B) Flores' treatment of Tua has no relation to Tua winning in the playoffs, especially in a TEAM sport.
C) He didn't start talking about Flores out of the blue, he was asked.
I’m a big Tua supporter. But he buy into media frenzy more & more. Get back to being humble
This is the first thing tua has Said about him and wats wrong with him telling the truth bottom line
I mean how much more proof do you need to believe he’s a shitty person? Lol. I came to the realization he’s awful years ago.
@@lucrative6477 fo sho
It's not about positive message... it's about honesty and BELIEF. Coach right off your sense' don't believe in you... its a wrap doubts set in
Flores was an AH
Sounds like Brian Flores took the Mike Zimmer route on not buying into the QB. I agree with Rich... it's not salty Tua... it's softy! I think as a player (specially QB) you got to be able to handle criticism... not want to be holding hands. You got to have the right mix of encouragement and critique. I see ppl here just accepting Tua's response but not once did it get pointed out any criticism at all? Yeah, Flores probably a hard a**... but we also shouldn't be wanted to be comforted all the time.
Flo is a terrible person, that's not an insult, but a fact.
According to you? Move on
Let's hope confidence building and good vibes can help the dolphins win when the temps get below 50
Spit on that thang rich 😂
SPIT ON THAT THANG ?????? Egregious work rich
Players get this: It's great to see a positive reinforcement coach success story overcome a negative reinforcement coach failure when the coach blames every part of the team except themself. It's what team sports is all about.
He’s soft
@@AYjoy93 because apparently players need to be undermined to make them tough 🙄
I feel that with even a half speed OBJ, we are uncoverable. Love your show Rich.