Illegal Cave Diving Ends Badly | The Plura Disaster
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- On February 6, 2014. A diving expedition turned tragic, affecting five Finnish divers, with two facing an uncertain fate and three others had decompression sickness. Their journey is captured in the riveting documentary "Diving Into The Unknown,".
The GoPro camera, which was attached to one of the divers, recorded the moment disaster struck.
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Tekst: Lars Christian Wegner | Foto: Fredrik Solstad, Janne Suhonen, Patrik Grönqvist og Sami Pakkarinen | Grafikk:Sondre Nilsen, Dan Kåre Engebretsen, Simen Grytøyr
Text: Lars Christian Wegner | Photo: Fredrik Solstad , Janne Suhonen, Patrik Grönqvist and Sami Pakkarinen
Graphics: Sondre Nilsen , Dan Kåre Engebretsen , Simen Grytøyr
VGTV: Patrik describes the rescue dive
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VIDEOS AND PHOTOS:
VESA RANTANEN
PATRIK GRÖNQVIST
KAI KÄNKÄNEN
PEKKA ELOMAA
DESIGN AND CODE:
UOLEVI HOLMBERG
JUKKA PYLVÄS
BORIS STEFANOV
JARMO LUNDGREN
TRANSLATION:
ALEKSI TEIVAINEN
Diving into the Unknown (original title Takaisin pintaan) is a 2016 Finnish film directed by Juan Reina.
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As an experienced cave diver, never diving in caves has saved my life numerous times.
As a seasoned amateur caver, not going into any cave full of water and sticking to lava tubes has kept me alive.
I am not at all experienced in cave diving, but I am really really looking forward to an opportunity to not do it.
I don't know you but you aint never lied.
I enjoy cave diving tremendously my self! I go diving every time Mr.Deified shows up, he takes me along and we always have a safe return. ❤
@@donnawoodman6249same here. I just pull my blanket over my head. If i really wanna get the experience i do that but i ask my wife to sit on me as well
" Kai vowed to give up cave diving for good," but his "passion" caused him to continue. After ignoring the deaths of 2 friends while diving, it's no longer a passion but an addiction.
@@pastaandsoda6907 no
You better preach preacher! 🙌🏻
@@pastaandsoda6907 huh?
I believe that’s what gets them at in the long run. That addiction to the adventure, the unknown..
@@ghostnumber2341The oxygen tanks probably gave them the best high than any drugs you can buy
"After 2 fresh tragedies he again went to cave diving " at this point just leave him there
I mean they get addicted to the adrenaline rush. There's a reason the term adrenaline junkie exists - they chase the high off of it.
@@mish375even after killing 2 HUMAN BEINGS .
@@mish375I don’t think adrenaline is the case you don’t need that to love doing something even if it seems crazy to most
@@Daevoz It's more about them getting addicted to the rush. That's why you see these people returning where they nearly died to "conquer" the area again. It tends to override fear and common sense.
😂😂😂
Guy loses three diving partners on three different occasions? Needs to be investigated. Air tank not turned on is highly suspicious and a basic check your partner does. I’d certainly never dive with him.
Oh that’s an unsettling thought…
If you consistently engage in highly reckless behaviors - risking death each time - then it would make sense you would bear witness to numerous accidents & deaths. If he only went on three dives & someone died each time, I would certainly be very suspicious. But imagine hiking Everest multiple times. You’d bear witness to many deaths. It doesn’t mean you played a role- or at least not purposefully- very well could be on you in part due to negligence though. I’d say this goes to Ocam’s Razor - simplest solution is most often the correct one - rather than him being murderous.
@@a.evelyn5498 I did a lot of scuba diving, zero deaths. Climbing Everest has around a 2.5% death rate, scuba is far safer than that. I had two incidents in thousands of dives, both times were failures in the buddy check system but fortunately had backup systems so no issues other than that was my last dive with them.
Sure bad things happen but three deaths all on one person, that’s a lot for scuba.
@@thebigpicture2032isnt cave diving a whole different ball game though?
That's crazy, that's what I was immediately thinking too.... something fishy with this guy.
The most disturbing thing of this story is that if you saw him speak about the recovery operation you’d see a man clearly more filled with emotions of pride and exhilaration for having recovered his friends’ bodies whilst other recovery operations failed than sorrow or devastation for their loss! What a basket case…
What’s even more disturbing than that is most people will walk this planet for 6-7-8 decades and never know the kind of passion and love for anything like that. I’d bet that his friends would’ve been more proud that they completed that recovery in that cave than they would be to be buried. This is the life of people who have an overwhelming passion for something. It’s like Alex Honnold climbing el cap with no ropes. Normal people think it’s crazy, that’s why those normal people are normal. That’s why they’ll be forgotten.
Just because he's happy about the successful recovery doesn't mean he doesn't also care that they died in the first place. Grief and happiness aren't mutually exclusive.
@@tjtruth4793And these guys won't?
@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 Not in the spelunking community. I bet their memory lives on long after most normal ppls grandchildren have been forgotten. People don’t even remember Tom the pencil pusher a few years after he takes another job across town.
@@tjtruth4793most people have stuff they have great passion on. And guess what they don't make excuses when two friends die trying doing so. Neither die in a horrible way inside the earth. If your hobby is dangerous, be honest about it and don't try to gaslight everyone talking about passion or glory.
Man, I would think twice before even coming near a swimming pool in the company of that guy.
Or even a glass of water frankly!
Agreed, one dude 4 deaths, I would be checking my own gear well before going in.
@@Mayzan841you there just died because you decided to go with him.
@@abelis644bro could be a serial killer lol
On my life
I really love the maps you make. They help me understand what is going on so much better.
Me too!
I’m glad! Thanks for watching :)
Thanks!
Yeah! They really help you visualize everything 👍🏻
Samee reason I keep coming back to this channel
Moral of the story is dont dive with Kai. He is bad luck and can't take a cosmic hint when givin it.
I think he's collecting souls
@@danielleparra4800he's trying to refill his enchanted weapons
Why Kai? Wasn’t it Patrik the person who saw 3 diving partners died.
Honestly, after all the dive deaths and the skidding car...it's like Final Destination at this point!
guys how did the other jari die? i know one got lodged in the 90 degree turn but i somehow missed what happened to the other
I don’t understand how anyone finds this an enjoyable hobby.
Well I certainly have a new hobby: watching videos of diving accidents and shaking my head in disgust at the arrogance of these people.
I agree. It seems like an expensive way to drown, just with extra steps. :/
@@regularfather4708 Hey, that's my hobby too, lol!
Which is fine...but as a cave diver I can assure you, being there is MAGIC...
Exactly
Speaking personally, I wouldn't go to an artificial swimming pool with Kai, considering the number of people that have dies on his dives.
I think he was just diving with incompetent. so of course I would avoid that if I were you
Kai? Why Kai? It’s Patrik who was the one that 3 diving partners died.
Totally, Kai turned back and made the right choice. Patrik is the slept rock diver.@@thetruthtrumpsallliesfromt4399
Indeed, dipping a toe in the kiddie pool seems risky with our hero.
Just don't piss him off and you'll be fine.
I'm a Finn and this accident was truly what started my morbid interest in cave diving disasters. What makes this one even more harrowing is how cold and dark it must have been when the survivors resurfaced...
One thing to add though: the accident dive wasn't illegal, the cave was shut down AFTER it and the recovery dive was illegal. The cave has since been opened for divers.
These types just keep pushing the envelope till something goes wrong. Toying with death gives them a high that they are addicted too. I have seen it before with climbers. They will literally do anything to get that rush and "feel alive". Just like with drugs users it takes more and more each time to reach that peak.
Wait what happened to the second Yari??? I'm just so confused on how the second guy got stuck
@@WhitneyDahlin He started swimming erratically. I have no knowledge regarding this but my first thought would be that something had to be wrong with his air supply and the others couldn't simply help.
They opened this cave back up??
@@Whatever_man but why all of a sudden at the exact same place the first guy ended up with a messed up air supply?!! It's very strange and suspicious
Watching videos like these is about as much cave diving experience i will ever get in this lifetime.
Lol yes we'll said. I second that
Me, too. Thank goodness.
You said it!
I am addicted to cave diving......videos.
So much easier, right!?
Same
I find them fascinating re: how diverse we are as humans... Like, how do I share a genome with people who choose to do this
😂
Me too
Watching these videos acually cures a bit of my anxiety issues when I realise I am safe.
Same. life is ok after all.
You're never safe.
Probably won't die from cave diving, tho. Probably.
Wow I’ve been asking myself why I can’t stop watching these videos and bc of your comment just realized that I was extremely anxious these past couple days and it has calmed down since I started watching them lol
SAME it makes me feel so good to be breathing at least! haha usually I have pretty bad anxiety about the state of the world but for some reason this helps.
Kai is either a serial killer who finds ways to kill his friends while diving or he’s the unluckiest totem in the world of diving. Either way, you couldn’t pay me enough to get in the water with him.
he is the adult version of detective conan
You know I always thought being extremely pressure sensitive and bathophobic (fear of falling into the depths) was holding me back from certain activities as a kid. But as an adult, I realize that it's prevented me from dying/drowning in a cold cave hundreds of feet below the surface of the Earth. Might be a survival mechanism at this point.
i mean not really just dont decide to do something this risky youre good simple logic :D some people just lose all sense of logic when they really get pumped up for something like base jumpers for example they do one of the dumbest sports known to man just for a little thrill they could get from going to a go kart track or some shit :D
@@immersivemods9975 I mean it's possible I just have an overdeveloped survival warning mechanism in my brain that says not to go into that cave or be submerged in a restricting cave like that. These cave divers must be built different, I swear.
So if everyone were like you nobody would explore mean we dont have all the stuff we got in our world today
SInce the human was all times a explorer.
Its not bad to not do theese things
But its a weird way to say its a survival instinct
Cause its not.
@@mish375
It's called common sense self preservation.
Seriously, though... Take a bath. You may fear it, but you really need it.
"Imagine slipping through a tiny hole in a frozen lake, entering a narrow, utterly dark passage filled with icy water, and descending 400 feet (or 120 meters)."
No.
i’ll pass lmao
I'm not an ice cube
@@falconeshield I'm no trout. 🐟
Big nope
And doing it for “fun”
"A passion he couldn't walk away from." Wrong, he could have, but chose not to.
A passion he Didn't walk from, it took /kept his life 😔
If you stand for nothing you fall for nothing ,but what would you know fella
@@paintwithavisionllc9354, standing for unsafe practices while conducting recreational activities. Yeah, that's something really smart to stand for. But what would you know about being smart, Fella.
You did not understand that sentence.
As a person who has never been in a cave before, I can say it has saved my life.
As a Tec, Master diver. One rule that has kept me Alive! JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN! DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD!
I didn't say Never, as I still conduct these types of dives. It's just I knew but now are gone, people who had to push beyond what was safe or otherwise common sense. But good luck
Since you’re a diver can you explain to me why yari wasn’t able to expel the water and breathe through his rebreather again? Why was accidentally breathing in that water a death sentence. I’m sorry if it’s obvious.
@Questofthenight OK. Plan your dive. Dive your plan. Never push beyond your capabilities. Know your gear and keep track of your gas. Forgetting to turn your gas on sounds like they rushed. I'm not trying to be too critical of these divers. But in diving over head environments means you better have your head in the game.
I've heard this before from other creators, and everyone has their own unique style of presenting, but the map and the step by step was really helpful to understanding how it unfolded for each individual. Thanks!
Wow, thanks!
There is a documentary about the people involved themselves going back to recover the bodies. It's called diving into the unknown and it's amazing for anyone interested in cave stories, the footage is crazy
@@Error_-qz2zr yes, it us a great documentary. they had to do the recovery in secret also. As they were not allowed to go back in. Edit: Didn't know they mentioned that fact later...
I’m shocked Kai and Vesa actually made it out alive after running into Jari’s body blocking the passage. That really speaks to their will and determination
I don't understand how his body blocked the passage if Patrick and Vesa both got through. I mean can you yank him out
Patrick was already through I believe. Vesa is the one who got around the body. Kai turned around and went the other way
So what the hell happened to the other Jari? He just dropped dead?
@@janusn9 Most likely a malfunction I'm assuming. The others were panicking and just dipped probably freaking out
@@janusn9you didn’t hear it? His wires (I think they was the ones connecting his oxygen tank) got caught on the rocks, when Patrick turned to check he noticed. Jari/yari got himself freed but then he kept making hand motions to Patrick something about the back up regulator which he gave to him and was breifly in use. Then he put it back down but Patrick noticed the mouth price regulator had fallen out Jaris mouth, he inhaled loads of water and there’s nothing Patrick could of done because the water pressure alone would of killed him plus he shared some of his air so he barely even had enough air…
Bro if someone offers me infinite money to go cave diving, i still won't go 😂
I feel like that about just swimming in a supervised swimming pool!
I would go maybe a hundred feet into a cave, but no tight squeezes and im brining 3-4x as much air as i need
@@Sausketo Oddly enough, bringing too much gear on a dive is more detrimental than extra air is beneficial. All those tanks weigh you down, and can easily get stuck on things.
I’d go ! I’d jump into the cave and immediately get out!
They didn’t say how long I had to be in the cave or how deep 😂
yeah ppl with 20+ years of diving experience still dies during cave diving
As a very Experienced couch surfer with decades of practice....I'll be sticking to my craft and give a pass to cave diving))
7 HOURS OF DECOMPRESSION STOPS IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE! I get why its so important but 7 hours sounds absolutely terrifying but add on the panic/despair he was going through must have been so unbelievably overwhelming! I feel panicked just thinking about it! RIP to the two lives lost 🥺🙏🏻♥️
Saturation divers spend 2 or more weeks to fully decompress. Dissolved gas in your blood and tissues is no joke; unless you have a hyper-baric chamber only minutes away; you'd be lucky to survive as a near vegetable. Think of how dissolved CO2 in soda bubbles out when you release pressure by opening it; that happens in your body if you ascend too fast.
Can anyone explain how preparing for rescue mission was easier than the dive itself ?
@@VivekMishra-i8v Not easier per se, they just knew what they were up against the second time. This implies that either they were negligent or even reckless during the initial prep for the first dive, or it was unmapped and they just had no idea of the layout of the cave system. Still, I haven't a clue why anyone would even venture down there with a generalised rough plan when your and your friends lives are on the line.
@@kauskein a nice warm tank with food and drink. Yeah, almost the same scenario.
@@pehtoori Tell that to the many saturation divers who have literally exploded thanks to a single error; an erroneously opened valve, a diving belly not properly secured.
It's also two weeks in a tiny tank with nothing to do but eat food you can hardly taste and have no contact with anyone but the small crew inside.
7 hours of decompression is small potatoes in terms of deep diving, and regardless, you can't skip it in either scenario; which is the entire point you seem to have missed.
How after being involved in 2 incidents one involving himself and another where a diver died did he think it was a good idea to continue doing this?
“It will never happen to me” - so sad
Divers are a strange breed for sure
its addiction
I imagine it has to do with the feeling of overcoming the impossible. Challenging and winning over some of the most inhospitable terrain / environments.
I assume they know the risks involved and when losing people, continue to go back to challenge again and hopefully beat nature.
That and of course, yes- they are adrenaline junkies.
Call of the void, actually. Something lives down there, and it feeds on fearful death.
I just watched the documentary of them recovering the bodies. Im so glad you posted this because they did a horrible job explaining how the deaths happened in the first place. They wanted to focus on their "hero" version with the rescue. Thanks, this video cleared so much up!!
Trying to rescue the bodies is stupid. They want to be seen as heroes to the family when it changes nothing.
can anyone explain why tf they did extra measures in rescue rather than the first dive itself ? Is it not practical or possible ? I don't get the point, why won't u wanna live ?
@@itheuserfirst3186 Yeah, the ‘rescue’ itself is too sus especially since it was behind the authorities’ backs, perhaps done to retrieve any evidence linking that guy to yet another couple of deaths, TOO SUS! 👀
@@itheuserfirst3186 How is that stupid, it's probably the most respectful thing you can do for the deceased peoples families. Putting weird selfish motives to it is weird from your part, it's just a good deed to honor your friends that died. At least they came way more prepared on the rescue, it's not like it was reckless.
@@itheuserfirst3186Exactly! If I was dumb enough to do something like this and die in the process, leave my carcas there. No need to risk the living for a corpse. My family would agree!
Never been cave diving, but apparently it's so great it's worth losing one's life for.
Even if you don't die, keep trying.
@@mcbain1318 🤣
There's a pot of gold down there when you're narked outta ya mind lol.
Heard climbing everest is amazing too, its so amazing that you stay there forever
@@sassysaddles9981 Everest gives you the best view while hanging out. Normies go 6 feet under.
For anyone still confused on Jari H and Jari U’s death. The specific reason is, when Jari H got his line tangled in the rocks, he panicked and quickened his breath, overloading his rebreather with too much carbon dioxide to scrub so he died of Carbon dioxin poisoning. Jari U must have panicked at the combination of the dead body and the situation they found themselves in.
Dioxide*
Panicking usually doesn’t work out.
@@reginaldforthright805And no chance for diving buddies to help as you mist stay away from someone panicking under water!
Panicking is universally understood to be a bad thing but its easier said than done to not panic
They said he breathed in water
If there's a more selfish pastime than cave diving then I haven't heard of it. How can people with partners and/or kids take these risks? To have seen friends die in front of you then weeks later just carry on doing the same thing seems to me like disrespect for your lost companions. Old habits die hard but old friends die extremely easily it would appear.
Caving, climbing Everest or K2, free soloing, BASE jumping.... there are lots of hobbies that are stupid with insanely high risks of death. I’m certain you've heard of those and perhaps just overlooked them.
@@nthomas87 No, I definitely think cave diving is the most selfish, especially with regard to the massive rescue efforts often involved in attempting rescue / body retrieval, though I take your point friend.
Enuff t explore with 2ft ON the ground without selflessly putting urs/others life in danger either 2,000ft ABOVE it on the giddy Mountainous heights or the dense,dark, ever-entwinning, labyrinthical, catacombs of abyssal watery, cave-ical hell.
*Man's gotta know his limitations;*
As soon as I had my first child I realised I will never take a needless risk such as this. Once you have kids, it’s not about you any more. How is this hard to understand for some people?
"If there is a more selfish pastime..." well, there is war...
First they almost die in the cave and then they go back to recover the dead bodies.
Everyone in this story is severely mentally ill and reminds me of the Amigara Fault story from Junji Ito
Trying to recover the bodies is even dumber. It makes no difference and risks more tragedy.
Well they can't leave them behind to rot
@@KallusGarnetand why not
@KallusGarnet they actually can
"This is my cave. It was made for me!"
That man should be banned from ever diving again for his friends safety
What nonsense … everybody is responsible for themselves … once someone starts panicking you must stay away or you might be next!
@@GanymedeXDnope! BAN!
"Dude, you've been involved in three cave dives now which have resulted in fatalities. Maybe you should stop?"
"D'you know what I fancy doing next week...?"
😂
He sounds like he's bad luck, for other divers.
😑
The amount of warnings God have this man
It’s almost undeserving
I feel sorry for the parents, wives, and children of these people. Must be harrowing to live constantly wondering if you'll ever see your dearest again.
They don't' love others more than themselves. If they did they would never take the risk.
@@FitmanFatty that's different. You are risking your life out there for a cause, to have a living.
While these people? They just cave dive for themselves.
If they knew the risks, and still did, then that's worse. Because they knew they could die and really, it wouldn't do a thing for the world except sate their adrenaline addiction and did it anyway.
I feel sorry for their families. But these people brought their demise upon themselves.
@yashiro3568 lol so self righteousness over this dead man.
@@sludgerat666 of course. you never had to live with only a mom because you didn’t have a father who chose their ‘habits’ over their family.
them dying does not mean they weren't to be blamed for what happen, nor the aftermaths of what they voluntarily chose to do.
@yashiro3568 Yeah maybe he should've caved without creating a family. Hard to manage an exciting risk taking life with the simple things.
Some people are gamblers by nature.
They don't know when is time to stop even after loosing so much! Fear can save your life!
John Jones' death in Nutty Putty was on dry land, but is enough to bring some sense to the table.
*Losing, not loosing.
Look it’s the grammar 👮♂️ 😂😂😂⬆️
This video was uploaded at the perfect tjme for me. It's tonight's get-to-sleep video. Idk why but diving/hiking/shipping disaster videos make for the best night-time listening.
Thanks for stopping by!
Because listening to people risk their lives in crazy ways like this contrasts nicely with a warm comfy bed!
Back in 1985, I used to have a friend who loved underwater cave exploring, and I remember him telling me how terrifying he was getting stoked in a cave and told me that after that experience he never went back .
I'm a certified recreational diver = less than 130' at which depth you can surface with one breath. I refuse to enter anything that takes me more than one breath away from my natural atmosphere...
Never dive with kai
Lol diving with Kai is like jumping from a plane without a parachute. Bad things are coming.
@@gonzothegrandd Isn't that Kai? The guy introduced in the very beginning?
@zeraphyretrinity2858 after review Kai was introduced first.
@@gonzothegrandd Yea, Patrik was seemed to be the more rational and competant of the rest.
You simply must be in control … once you panic and are out of control you are lost. Kai did not panic and had to stay away from a panicking diver. They are extremely dangerous!
It never ceases to amaze me how some people like to risk their lives.
You do things everyday that have a higher percent chance of death than diving.
@@6tiple6ix6afianame one. And no, driving isn’t it
@@6tiple6ix6afialol nah shut up.
@@i.ehrenfest349Not exactly the same but most people eat such garbage everyday that takes dozens of years off their lifespan over the course of their life. The point the other guy was making is that most people don't maximize how long they can live. Regardless it doesn't matter if they risk their life anyway, people should have the right to do that with their own life.
You regret 100% of the shots you never make. Instead of getting small dopamine hits from the devices in our hands, folks are spending what little time we have in this life doing perhaps what no one has done before.
Its tragically ironic that they putting more thought into the safety of the recovery dive, than they did in their first dive.
I thought the same thing.
And to add to all of the mistakes in the water, they forget that their ice hole will freeze up again and block the way???
Sorry but these guys weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer...
Don't let the Dunning-Kruger take over. It is easy to judge from the point of view of an %norant. Ice was the consequences of dive taking longer, beyond safe limits, but Patrick punched through the fresh ice, probably few millimeters thick, so what is the problem? The recovery mission was planned with different risk profile, more people, more time under water, more work, recovering unwieldy and uncooperative "objects", etc. Recovery divers probably used open circuit system that require more cylinders. Cost of operation wasn't as relevant anymore. I don't know why are you getting any likes.
@@pavel9652shut up, the dive was planned horribly and without any backup basically
@@Up2gethigh Thanks for the reply, but I am not interested in option of %lettante. He said the dive was planned for months. One of the divers had difficult time moving trough cave due to extra cylinders and spare rebreather. Maybe work at least on listening comprehension.
Isn't that 'learning from mistakes' and using 'hindsight', it would have been stupidity to do the rescue dive with no planning given how the first one went
My biggest takeaway from this is that you should avoid cave diving if your name is Jari.
No. You should avoid cave diving full stop. Lol
Or a dive budy of his
Do not even drink water near him, just in case😅
My name is Jerry, and feel that’s close enough. No cave diving for me…
@@peterjohnson8935 No, absolutely not. This is not at all what normal recreational cave diving is like. These guys pushed the limits beyond what was regular/acceptable risk and when you do, bad things tend to happen.
I'm glad that I have successfully come out live after going through every kind of cave and successfully solving each and every inch of those cave puzzles inside my mind.
The common denominator in these dives seem to be one man.
In my country Mozambique, when someone has 2 dead partners, he/she will never be able to find a 3rd partner. Everyone stays away.
That is common sense. Nowadays very very rare
You think all of the warning signs and deaths leading up to this dive would have been enough to say, "I quit."
Why quit, nobody quitted formula 1 in the 90s when two pilots died in 2 days
@@dilettante7939 because people in Formula 1 actually make a LOT of money doing it. Also it's infinitely safer. Cave diving is for idiots.
@@zemm9003 same phrase but with Cliff diving, or Skydiving, or also Downhill mountain biking, if its just about mking money, its a stupid answer
cave diving is a passion, hobby, and accidents happens rarely
Illegal cave diving, what can go wrong?!
Right?
They're supposed to be experienced yet they lose track of time, get tangled in lines, forget to turn on their O2, berate a guy for bringing extra tanks, etc...
🤔
@@abelis644not opening the air tank fully unfortunately happens sometimes because of a method they used to teach. It used to be: open your tank fully and then close it a quarter turn. It's to protect the first stage from too much pressure. But what can happen is that someone accidentally closes the tank and opens it a quarter turn. At surface you can breathe normally. But at depth is causes a problem.
It's no longer the official recommendation, but any places still teach it and many divers still do it.
People make mistakes all the time, and experience doesn't grant immunity. You make mistakes too.
@@abelis644How df do you forget to switch the oxg on?? Is it a kink?
@@falconeshield 💀💀💀
Jesus, yer man Kai is a proper Jonah. I wouldn't step over a puddle if I was anywhere near him! Why does anyone do this insanity?
They are trying to fill a hole in their personal identity. It's like listening to addicts rationalize their use.
@@itheuserfirst3186
Well said.
These are getting too funny, stepping over a puddle ahahha
Exactly what's the purpose of this?
20:49 "They finally broke down and called Norwegian authorities". WTF. As soon as they had surfaced, hours later than expected,, and the others weren't there, that should have been an immediate call as soon as they looked after their own health (clothes/food)
No dive, ever, should be without a surface crew...even if it is just on person, to be able to call for help, and/or to assist divers surfacing that are in distress of any kind.
Why the hell would anyone get themselves in this ultra dangerous situation? There is no treasure or artifacts in this cave..so why?! 😮
It's interesting and fun to be in unfamiliar natural places. Treasures and artifacts are not the sole motivation for explorers. Mind you, I'd never risk my life this bad for exploring some underwater rocky passages, but I can see there's some appeal to it.
Because it's there
Bragging rights essentially. Everyone wants to be a legend.
or rare mtg cards.
Why do eat so much to the point that you're clearly almost 300lbs? No sympathy for you since you're objectively risking your life on purpose
Diving in 230' water is extremely dangerous. In a cave? I don't get it. I was a paratrooper in the Army. I understand wanting a thrill but stacking hazardous on top of each other can't be logical. The margin of unrecoverable error is multiplied by 10 for each hazard.
If anyone is interested, there's actually a documentary on the body recovery, called "Diving into the Unknown". I've watched it a few times, myself.
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As a caver diver, I can confirm that the best way to handle scenarios like these is to not ever cave dive, which has been the biggest factor to my success.
As a backup sewer in a sewing factory that produces 3rd hand clothing, I can confirm that you are correct in your assessment!
When outdoors walking, do you take a bottle of Nitrox with you, in case it starts raining ???
I like the maps with the color coding for each diver that matches their colors with names in the maps legend, this works well to help people follow the story. It would be cool to have a depth line chart on the side of the map. It's really amazing how fast things can go wrong like 5 minutes of a problem adds 50 minutes to the dive resurfacing process. Being cold sucks, being really cold and having complex choices can be impossible for a lot of people. This hobby is extremely dangerous. If you see that you have 5 minutes of air and you panic, you might actually go through that air in about 1 minute. Likewise if you chill out to super calm you might have 10 minutes instead of 5.
i like your new visualization of cave and divers, makes it easy to fallow along
You really do make the best videos. You explain every case so well and use clear visuals. Thank you ⭐️
I have ZERO desire to do this.
I have negative reason. like -100
"Addiction is a hell of a disease man"
Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
Watching these stories make me NEVER EVER want to cave dive.
Especially with any name Patrik.
So not only is it a dangerous, giant, little explored cave, pitch black, no air, but its also freezing cold. 😕
That's largely why we dive caves.
Continues cave diving after already needing to call emergency services twice in the preceding months while cave diving. I get these people might not care about their own lives, but do they not at least care about the cost to emergency services and the effort and danger involved with rescuing them? Just stupidity and complete selfishness. The more videos I watch about cave diving the more I realise that these are just people with chronic main character syndrome.
It’s probably superstitious but I’ve been told the universe is generous in sending warnings when you still serve a purpose, nudging you in a new direction. 2 tragedies and you still go ahead, I’ll never understand the passion of this sport or others just as dangerous. I do respect the passion and drive of the person. I wish the outcomes were always positive, nonetheless, I find these stories interesting.
Not the universe, God warned him.
@@chalmapatterson544God doesn't exist. Reality does though, and so does Synchronicity.
On the remote off chance YHVH actually exists as anything other than an idol: it doesn't care about you; it simply is, beyond your comprehension.
Rather than accepting the failings of human logic, this is why we invented science and defined the divine realms: believing in God to fix your problems has never and will never do anything positive for any person alive.
@@Atmatangod doesn’t exist is crazy 😂
@@NashaeCam You can keep crying and praying.
Meanwhile, that 'devil magic' I kept being warned about seems to work really well and with no downsides 🤷
@@Atmatan lmfao karma always comes back to those who do “devil magic” so keep doin it 😂
This was bad but not as bad as the guys that got sucked into an oil pipe. I have learned a valuable lesson from these videos. There is nothing I need to see so badly that I need scuba diving gear. I will pass on that to other younger and braver people.
The video title implies the original dive conducted by the team was illegal, this is not the case. The first dive into the Plura Cave where two divers died was conducted legally. After the incident and government funded retrieval of the two divers failed, access to the site was restricted / access illegal. One month later the original team ignored this and attempted retrieval of the two friends bodies. All parties were pardoned for the second dive, no one was arrested or detained .
RIP to the two Yari's. Thank you MrDeified for explaining with diagrams. It helps understand the situation better. I hope you have a great New Year 💠
So whose the two that died? What's their names?
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Kai is just bad luck....never going cavediving with him.
He might be a serial killer
Cave diving is a dangerous sport where even the slightest wrong decision can send even the most experienced divers to a watery grave. There isn't much leeway for mistakes...
Forgetting to open the O2 valve is like jumping from a plane without a parachute...HTF do you do that!
It's happened! One guy went to pull his cord and realized it wasnt there...he didnt put his chute on. Its on one of these types of channels.
13:50 thanks for the extra detail, footage and efforts. The designated colors for each person helps alot to keep track. Other You Tubers don't have that, so can be a little hard to keep up. This is why I enjoy watching uploads of the same stories, too learn and see new developments.
What???? They kept diving after that??? No f'king way!! If it's me, I'd be scared just by drinking water or taking bath. It's unreal!
Thank you sincerely sir for sharing this heart breaking and yet heart warming story. These men were really brave to get their friends` bodies back to proper burial, not giving a damn about what authorithies thought about it. That is like to be finnish. Greetings from here behind sweden, norway and right next to Putin.
You had me at "imagine slipping through a tiny hole in a frozen lake" 😁👍
Why would they go in to begin with? Especially having families to care for. We should really think and make good decisions, especially when you have others to live for. I can only imagine how devastating it would be to lose your partner or parent in such a horrific and sudden way. Very sad and tragic situation.
It never ceases to disappoint me when I hear these cases including husbands and fathers. Seems terribly selfish and a clear departure from what genuine masculinity is.
"Kai insisted on being last in line" - *shows Kai be the first to go in*
My favorite thing about cave diving is never doing it.
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@Gollumfili same with stuff like going scuba diving or surfing, can't get eaten by a shark if your feet are firmly planted on dry ground.
Brash and diving, two words you dont want to use in the same sentence. Rip 🙏
Seriously, how do you forget to open the oxygen valve on your rebreather? (1:11) These guys are supposed to be expert level divers. Even entry level PADI divers go through a simple prep checklist before getting into the water with gear. Seems beyond sloppy and this guy’s friend dies. 😮
Even geniuses can make mistakes. There’s a reason Einstein revised several of his theories. Eg theory of relativity became theory of special relativity
@The_Esoterik if they had done the standard pre dive buddy check that even novice divers are taught he wouldn't have died, since one thing it specifically checks is your buddy has oxygen flow. Which means he died due to negligence and his buddy was partly responsible
In cold nordic weather its typical to get into water quickly and do rest of the checks there. Easy mistake to make.
If you're a cave diver, it's not if, it's when.
No, it's the noob cave divers who panic and do shit wrong.
All of these caves wether they have water or not should have signs at the entrance that you go at your own risk and there will be no rescue.
The universe gave him several signs to slow his roll. Mother nature gives no fawks about the best laid plans. Never say it "couldn't be me," cause yes, yes it very much can. RIP
Very well said.
Love the channel, and I respect the effort put into the research done.
Much appreciated!
This activity is Russian roulette and unfortunately, the only way they can quit is through their demise. There were simply too much forces of nature working against them in this one. The frigid cold, narrow spaces, water filled caves and all at a depth so deep that you cannot resurface quickly if anything were to go wrong.
I’m fascinated by these stories, but sometimes feel really bad when real tragedies occur. This is why I really enjoy the stories where people would knowingly ignore all warnings or just completely break all the rules or just plain stupid. In these cases, I don’t have to feel bad or have sympathy because they all brought it upon themselves.
I dont feel bad for people who get in squirrelly situations like this. Your doing such a high risk activity, its on you
I also feel bad for people who live for 80 plus years and die never living interesting lives because they don't take risks.
@stevecochrane8799 Caving diving under isn't a normal hobby
"Diving into the Unknown" is a documentary made about this. Worth a watch!
It really sounds like Patrick murdered three of his friends.
It really does.
Patrick's decision was the most questionable one during this incident, as I see it. Kai proved later on that it was possible to turn back and make it. But maybe it is just that Kai was much better a diver than Patrick?
@@sharinglanguageMost people do not use common sense … you must be in control at all times … if your buddy panics you mist stay away and there is not much that you can do!
My God I could not imagine how afraid I would be. I could never but I sure enjoy watching others do it. Good content keep up the good work. Really love your channel 🎉. God bless everyone and HAPPY PEACEFUL NEW YEAR!!!🎉
Thank you very much!
I swear, this cave diving stuff just sounds like an episode of sleep paralysis. “ Oh shit, everything is dark. Oh, I think I see something. It’s really hard to move. My arm is stuck under me. What’s that? I can’t turn my head but I can ALMOST see it. I think my arm is coming loose. Oh no, is that big spider? Wait, what’s on my chest? WHY CAN’T I MOVE!?!?”
2:14 dude sounds like a secret killer....
I don't think I would trust a cave diver who does glamour shots in full gear in a photo studio.
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Yeah I found that a bit weird...
Those photos were taken long after for the documentary of the incident.
@@TheTurtlefarm Stilll not jumping in a dark wet hole holding his hand.
@@richardbently7236 Yea me neither. Just wanted to point out that those photos were not a "ooh look at me in my awesome gear" kind of thing, just material for a documentary. I bet it was the idea of the director. All of them are quite experienced divers.
sounds fishy to me twice people diving with Kai had their regulators fall out and both times was just him and them maybe he took their regulators out of their mouths wanted to murder them and he was just fine with the whole rest of group dieing at end too
I understand the last, but yeah, he could be a secret murderer. Maybe not planning it, but just opportunistically. Feels like it would make a good movie.
I wouldn't say that. Diving just has a very low margin for error. Because of the great pressures involved, you're almost certainly going to be affected by nitrogen narcosis in some fashion (some more than others). That said, it doesn't take much to make a mistake and a any mistake can lead to your demise.
If you want to learn more, there is actually a documentary on the body recovery, called "Diving into the Unknown". To me, it's clear that these deaths have greatly affected Kai, as he couldn't even take part in the recovery, as a result.
It’s just that dangerous.
Thats pretty nonsense … diving alone is more dangerous … who voluntarily reduces their chances … once the other one panics you must stay away from an out of control diver … you would not start manipulating their gear as once they get hold of you inna panic state your chances are pretty low to manage fighting off a panicky colleague!
All the signs were there 🙈
I'd given up the first time!
I'd see it as a sign of the Universe to not risk my precious life!
U witness 2 close friends drown and freeze to death in an underwater cave but god forbid u give up that hobby.
Let’s go cave diving again….
Why should he give up … just because others failed and panicked … makes zero sense …
These people are so selfish. They have families who love them but they don't care it's all about themselves. Selfish people.
Bruv. You get one life to do what you want to do. One chance m8. They are living their dream. Let them be.
Your narration quality keeps improving. Great effort and hard work!
Love your maps and surfer bro voice man
Surfs up 🤙
In a recent statement, Kai said he is very eager to return to diving.
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Answers and perspectives are provided by the extraordinary recovery as documented in Diving into the Unknown. Amazing courage, resolve, devotion! Fins are down to earth, fearless and tough as nails! Must see documentary- MOVING AND INSPIRING!
Small detail, but it was totally legal at the time they did the dive. It was after the accident when it was deemed "too dangerous" that the cave was closed. The survivors of the tragedy later went back, recovered their friends' bodies, and then called the police after to let them know what they'd done.
Additionally, he wasn't alternating between powering his scooter and his dry suit. He had to choose between keeping warm, or keeping on his light. So he was forced to decompress in the chilly waters in complete darkness, then swim with the heater off to try to keep warm by moving and keeping on his light.
Honestly not sure which is worse , crawling into a cave with no water or diving in a cave full of water.