I get that Peter Gabriel was important, but I think Steve Hackett had a lot to do with their success. I would argue that their best albums were all the ones Steve Hackett was on. Once he left they essentially turned into a pop band. I credit Gabrial with great lyrics and Hackett with making them a great instrumental prog band. His guitar made many of their songs great.
I could not agree more! Of all the band members, Steve Hackett was the one who has done the most to keep the old, early 70s music of Genesis alive, with his many “Genesis Revisited” tours. And while all the members of the band had stellar solo careers - even Anthony Phillips - I would argue that Steve Hackett created the most interesting original material. He is not the household name that Peter Gabriel, Phil Collin’s and even Mike and the Mechanics became, Hackett to me remains the most interesting of the bunch. It isn’t often where a successful band can be looked back on as less than the “sum of the parts”, but in this case, it has proven to be true. I say this all with respect and admiration, because all of them made records that to this day remain amongst my favorites, from Anthony Phillips classical records, to Phil Collin’s amazing “Face Value” and others, to Peter Gabriel’s initial and subsequent solo projects…but I count Hackett’s “Spectral Mornings”, “Defector” and “Voyage of the Acolyte” as great albums as well. I’ve met Peter Gabriel many times and he is a true gentleman, someone who treats everyone with grace and his care for big problems in the world. What a gift Genesis and its members have been to the music community and the world at large.
@@poboymusic1958 No question that all the Genesis members are excellent and often exceptional musicians, and I would add Phil Collins as drummer (and vocalist) to that exceptional list. Tony Banks also in the same class. A once in a lifetime band, but then so many others are that too. It's wonderful to have so much choice of music to listen to.
While Steve was a great addition to the band (believe me, I thought he was great), I would think that the driving force during the Gabriel years, musically, was always Tony Banks. They were keyboard-laden, and to say they were influenced by the likes of Yes and ELP would be an understatement. What I think separated them was, and why I played Genesis incessantly, and not the other prog stuff, was Peter. To me, Supper's Ready, Watcher, Moonlit Knight, Epping Forest, I Know What I Like and the entirety of The Lamb are the zenith of their greatest moments, and without Gabriel, nothing which followed ever came remotely close, but of course that's just my opinion.
When you look into the band dynamics, Steve and Peter were ''allies'' for want of a better word and this kept them in balance with the Banks Rutherford alliance. Phil Collins acted as a stabilising factor in the mix and was also on good terms with Steve so Steve began to get more of his ideas into compositions and Selling England was all the better for that. As soon as Gabriel left Steve was then isolated and it is no surprise that he soon left as he was told in no uncertain terms by Banks that he could not have a solo career and still be in Genesis. Phil Collins was not happy with this situation and showed his hand by playing and singing on Voyage of the Acolyte and Rutherford seemed to have misgivings by now and also played on the album. This must have been a kick in the teeth for Banks !
Been a fan since '74. 50 years. Saw the Lamb, Wind, Three, and Duke tours. Many years later i was in a McDonalds standing in line when over the speakers i heard the remake of "Carpet Crawlers" with both Phil and Peter singing. It was a surreal experience. I love all the prog bands of that era, but Genesis hold a very special place in my heart. It has to be their gentle beauty.
Do these channel people not know that RUclips provides its own subtitle viewing options for viewers??? Very unprofessional for English content to be presented with English subtitles. Also inappropriate are three or four shots (including some closeups) of Ray Wilson doing vocals when there is no mention of him whatsoever...
Fifty years on from when he quite Genesis, and we are still talking about it. That says a great deal about how music and musicians can transcend the period they emerged in. I saw Gabriel last year at the O2 in London. Still a phenomenal performer.
5 young songwriter/musicians all with different ideas and visions of which direction and shape their music and lyrics should go. Historically, this is a recipe for disaster when it comes to young bands. The fact that they collaborated and created some of the most innovative music of their era and produced 6 albums in the Gabriel era should be applauded. They were young, late teens early 20's which makes their accomplishments even more impressive.
He announced his final decision to leave the band a couple of dates into their extended North American tour for the album, but the decision had been a long time in the making. He quickly agreed to stay on for the length of the tour (Europe too) though, and to keep quiet about it to outsiders.
@@Drchainsaw77 The forced subtitling is BS, given that RUclips provides the option for viewers. The voice is no doubt AI and very annoying and some of the facts are - not facts, but on the whole, I didn't mind watching it. I learned a few things that seem credible. The shots of Ray Wilson were very irresponsible but you get what you get from some 15 year old probably putting this together, IDK.
I know. This video-maker is rather lazy in that many of the clips shown while he's talking about Gabriel w/Genesis are from After he left Genesis! The clip of Ray Wilson is laughable while he's discussing Gabriel w/Genesis!
Got to see Genesis at Winterland during their very first US tour and the old ice hockey rink was only about half full but what a show. When Gabriel came out on stage in his "Watcher of the Skies" costume my jaw dropped - I said WTF? But I enjoyed every minute of it and have been enjoying the band and Gabriel's solo work ever since.
I've always wondered if the pod scene in the movie "This is Spinal Tap" was an early Genesis satire. The scene where Derrick Smalls gets stuck in the pod for the entire performance of "Rock n Roll Creation." He finally escapes at the end of the song right when he's supposed to go back in. He does manage to get his arm back in the pod.
To be honest, I never cared much for Gabriel's solo material, but I'm forever grateful for his "putting Genesis on the map” with his costumes and stage antics in the early 70s. His stage presence was (and still is) riveting. Musically, however, give me some Banks or Hackett compositions any time.
@@fenwayify I like those songs, especially Biko which blew me away the first time I heard it. But I never felt the need to hear Biko more than a few times, as opposed to “Firth of Fifth”, for example, that still gives me goosebumps after decades of hearing it. Just a matter of taste, that's all.
In my opinion I can say that Peter was Genesis and Genesis was Peter, magic,visionary art of lirycs, where Peter excels as the great protagonist. When Steve came out , the Genesis world ended. Phil was a good drummer,light years away from Peter's class.I saw the concerts of 73/74/75 whit the only concert for The Lamb tour in Italy. Turin 24/3/75 n.tick.01564.STRAORDINARIO. Then it became a pop band. I keep that period in my heart until 75, until my end. A hug fom ITALY.
Gabriel himself summed it up later: "Within Genes, I was the one mostly in control of visual presentation, and Phil was the critical element in terms of the groove and feel of the music" Phil Collins' skills as an arranger is something many people don't get, but they were very essential to avoid having the music feel crowded and overloaded, and to making the shifts of moods within the song come alive
I remember years ago in a music article that Steve Hackett was so upset with Peter Gabriel that he crushed a wine glass in the left hand and nearly severed his thumb. That would have been a tragedy if Steve Hackett had disabled his hand; no more great music from one of the best guitarist in the world IMO.
Guitarists get frustrated with singers, largely because singers tend to have a mind of their own that does not feature guitar solos. In addition to these Genesis guys: EVH and all his singers. Blackmore and all his singers. Yngwie and all his singers. Slash and Axl (understandable). The list is looong
actually Gabriel decided to leave the band, and informed them, before the Lamb tour but offered to stay until it was done... and Gabriel was close with the others throughout the years; they even had a one-off reunion fundraiser to get Gabriel out of financial difficulties (WOMAD festival startup had him almost go broke), and Phil worked on several of Peter's solo projects... What would a new album sound like with both singing? similar to Calling All Stations, honestly... and only hardcore Genesis fans liked it because the music was ok, but neither Gabriel or Collins singing (I liked it, btw).
I heard it was halfway during the Lamb tour, he spilled it all out, to manager AND the band, he didn't quit in the middle of it. He comitted to tour it out. They all agreed to keep it as secret as possible. His last gig was in France, May 1975, and rumours has it that he rehearsed/practised a solo oboe/flute tune called "The Last Post" prior to the gig, in order to play it as an encore, or "intro" to another regular tune in their setlist, but it didn't happen. A few months later, in August, the press got wind of it. But then, they already was halfway into rehearsing "Trick Of The Tail" with Phil on lead vocals, to which the press didn't know about at all yet. Actually, believe it or not, Gabriel visited the band in the studio and listened to the album, and thought they had succeeded in proving to others that they still were "a whole, strong band without me". He knew that the group could write strong material, but the little effort it took them surprised him the most. Suck on that one, for a while.
@@henkehakansson2004 Gabriel had a wife & a newborn daughter, which none of the other bandmates had along w/the responsibilities that go with that. His wife & newborn daughter was his priority over the band's ambitions. A few yrs. later, Phil was in a similar situation as Gabriel's, with a wife & newborn, and he was pressured to go on a worldwide tour w/Genesis as they broke through w/their 1977 ATTWT album. It broke up his marriage.
Gabriel's work, post-Genesis, speaks for itself. He didn't need to be part of a group, or at least not Genesis, so I think the split was for the good of all involved. We got a more focussed Genesis sound, and a more grounded conceptual artist in Gabriel, who did some seminal work in the late 70s and 1980s.
It's kinda like the split between Rod Stewart and the Faces - the front man tended to grow bigger in the public eye than the rest of the band, and this breeds tensions...Except that within Genesis, Peter was just one of several songwriters at the time. Hackett was still mostly a musician and a creator of sounds/solos at the time, but later, when he too began to do more songwriting of his own, it soon created tensions too because a band with four accomplished songwriters just didn't have enough space for all of them.
Genesis' peak success did not occur during the Gabriel era. Artistically one could argue between the Gabriel or Collins eras but in terms of fame sales and notoriety, that came in the early 80s. For example, their first studio album after Gabriel (A Trick of the Tail, 1975) outsold all previous seven albums (six studio plus their '73 live album) combined! Some of this was no doubt due to anticipation over what would happen next with the group but in reality, Genesis in the Gabriel era were only big in uncommon markets. Italy for example, was obsessed with the band. This era may have been more popular there than back home in England! Another reason for Genesis' peak occurring later is due to the difference in song material between the eras. Gabriel had wanted all along during his time in the band to intentionally avoid writing 'hit' songs. He wanted the more artistic obscurity offered by fantasy that bore little resemblance to reality. And it was towards Gabriel's departure that others in the band were getting tired of this. While it was some great music, most of it got little airplay which held the band's popularity growth back. By the third album of the Collins era (And Then There Were Three) All of the Gabriel type fantasy lyrics were gone from the band permanently, and the band began to really take off in popularity. They were still prog in music and lyrics but it was different and combined with mainstream elements as well. I would say they peaked between '83 and '86 with the self titled and Invisible Touch albums. While the 80s were great music and great years for Genesis' popularity, I still prefer the Gabriel era, extending into the first couple of Collins era albums (Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering).
Great move to break up. Without the separation, we would not have had such amazing songs like Here Comes The Flood, Solsbury Hill, San Jacinto, lntruder, and Red Rain. Their split gave Genesis the opportunity to destroy their creativity by going super pop and showcasing Peter's genius as a true creative artist. Everyone wins and no one gets hurt. Thanks Peter
I think all of Genesis "best albums" are only the 2 ones where they were 4. Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. The production, arrangements (especially) had a more even flow and DIRECTION to them. On The Lamb and Selling England it was a little bit too much hotch-potch and musical pieces laid end to end without even having anything to do with each other. Just changing pace/tempo/odd time signature in the middle of a song, just because of it. Roller coaster, ups and down, up and down. Directionless. When they were 4, they could keep the prog flag up high, but when they were 3 it all went downhill... methinks. IMHO.
It wasn't heartbreaking or shocking news, the band knew it since a long time ago, that while PG left the writing sessions to work with film director William Friedkin for a film script or "ideas", the others thought that it was then he was leaving. When Friedkin heard of that he was probably breaking up the band, he said he just wanted minor input not fully commitment so he got cold feet and bailed out. Then then band knew, that when PG returned, he may as well do it again, some time in the future, and he did. BTW the band wasn't that big back then at all, not in comparison to how they went ballistic later on. As it has happened, PG wanted to "show" the public and fans, that Genesis could do just as well without him, and - frankly - they did. When the first album without Pete came out "Trick Of The Tail" the initial reviews was in the vein of "Oh, I thought that Peter Gabriel had quit... they sound the same". Very unaware of that Phil sang backing vocals on earlier albums, on top of having one or two "ballad" tracks on each album where he did all the lead vocals. And did perform them too, live from time to time (not always though). So, it happened very little to Genesis when PG left. BUT! When Steve Hackett left, all their style and sound changed waaaay more, than it did when Peter left. Way more. Steve Hackett, and Phil Collins could continue to do solo albums WHILE still in Genesis, but Peter felt otherwise. He was better of as a frontman for himself. Today, Steve Hackett is the only one of the band, still touring with Genesis OLDER material. And all this BS about acrimonously being forced out by Phil and that shit. Phil played drums on subsequent solo albums by Peter, so why should he do that of he "ousted" him from Genesis? Totally bollocks. He even was open to PGs whim by dodging all cymbals on his third album, to which Phil had no objection to at all, but Jerry Marrota did.
To the final question, how would another album with both Phil and Peter on vocals sound? Magnificent, of course! Much love to both and all members of the band, all of the offshoots including solo careers for both Phil and PG, Mike and the Mechanics... some of the best music ever made that will last as long as humanity does. ❤
Gabrel got the vision that music was about to change, and Genesis survived because Phill's songwriting, even if people say he didn't have much control and leadership
Gabriel had spoken in other interviews that he was only interested in writing obscure songs for the band. He went out of his way to avoid writing hit songs. "I Know What I Like..." was the only hit of the Gabriel era and that song was certainly no different from Gabriel's style of the day! Years later he said that the exclusive non-hits philosophy was a stupid idea. I prefer the Gabriel era extending into the first two Collins era albums (up to Wind and Wuthering) but I would say the band transitioned well, continuing to make good music to finish off the 70s and then taking off in the 80s to the big time. I think they actually made one of the best transitions among bands / artists bridging those decades.
Genesis albums dominate my record collection. I think I have duplicates of a couple. The chemistry created by these guys is undeniable. I've played in a couple bands. I get it...someone has to be the driving force without ruining the vibe between players. Certainly by now they've outgrown many of the competitive pressures & creative ego driven trappings, but that's where the genius sleeps. Recognizing it when it arises and building on it is takes team work, musical vision, raw talent & a host of other skills. If a reunion is possible, I'm sure the world would welcome it with open arms in whatever form it takes....playing old tunes or creating some new ones. But what I'd really love to experience is a true reunion that combines these amazing talents & musical power. I brought my 32 year old son to a Steve Hackett concert last year...and he loved it! I loved it!! In fact, it reminded me just how badly I've missed hearing this music live. We just can't get this level of great quality progressive rock music in the states!! I hope & pray that a reunion happens & fills the halls & stadiums across America! I'll be there!!!
For me, the album with Ray Wilson was a fantastic step into teyr past. The voice of Phil Collins got me tired of Genesis. And Ray's voice was a big change to the positive. Also the keyboard and synthesizer sounded more like in the old days. What a pity when they stopped that after one album. I was years later on a small club concert with Ray and it sounded still great.
Yeh, it is such a shame. That album Calling All Stations isn't all that bad, and Ray Wilson's vocals on it are outstanding, very much heartfelt w/a lot of intensity. It's b/c they overestimated that Genesis w/o Phil could still fill Arena-sized venues in America, but could only at best fill 1/2 the seats. And so the tour and the latest incarnation of Genesis was considered 'a failure'. Musically, I don't consider this version of Genesis as 'a failure', far from it. But $$ talks in the music biz, esp. in America, and so, then there were none.
Saw Gabriel in Toronto.Wasn’t a concert.It was an experience.He’s always been one of a kind though a bit eccentric.Would it have killed him to sing one Genesis song?
The video was great and informative but showed, at times, the ex Stiltskin lead singer who fronted for Genesis for the Calling all Stations album and tour when talking about Peter, and didn't credit him. All the artists who have performed within the orbit of this behemoth called Genesis have been true originals in my opinion.
They all should have been there on stage during this final concert doing some music. Peter and Steve but then even the live crew guys (like Chester Thompson and Darryl Stuermer on drums) even Anthony Phillips (guitar) and drummers John Silver and John Mayhew (who preceded Collins on drums) would have been cool (I am assuming the two obscure drummers are still alive!). This is one of rock's greatest bands and they all played a part in getting it and / or keeping it going! These guys never grow up LOL!
Well, because of Phil’s health conditions, it isn’t likely that Peter and Phil would collaborate on a Genesis album these days. But I don’t think it’s out of the question. At least they still have much respect for each other and could be in the same room together, unlike Gilmour and Waters from one of my other favorite bands ever. But that’s a whole different story in itself 😆.
Lately I'm very obsessed with Peter Gabriel's voice, specially on Genesis material, such a bummer that his voice was great on The Lamb album and he just quit ater it
I had a fondness for genesis but it waned after Hackett left. I occasional still dip into their earlier stuff. I did have the first thee albums by Gabriel, good as they are, he went into a musical direction that didnt interest me much but I get why he left the band, we all close chapters in our lives and move on.
Heh . . . I was AT Charterhouse when Nursery Cryme came out. One of my mates was Rob Phillips, the younger brother of Ant. But it wasn't a huge deal. They'd all left a couple of years before I arrived, and there was no trace there other than the presence of Rob, with whom I rarely talked about Genesis. Anyway, he was in a house called Gownboys, which wasn't exactly round the corner from Daviesites, where I was. But I had my own rock star right there, playing the rickety piano in the rec room and delighting us all-Karl Wallinger (World Party/Ship of Fools) who was one of my smoking mates. I eventually became a musician too, but I'd have to say that Charterhouse was not exactly a nurturing location. Fucking Chapel every fucking morning-one day I skipped it and THEY FOUND ME. To this day I have no idea how they'd noticed in a crush of 600 boys that *I* happened to not be there. Yeah. No wish to return to the horrorshow that was an early 70s boarding school for boys in that green and pleasant land of England.
It is a lingering tragedy that the original members could never find a way to make a reunion record happen. Certainly with the enormous gaps in time between Gabriel records you'd think there would have been time for it. But I guess there would always have been the pressure to tour which would be a much thornier issue to find consensus. Oh well.
@@kenjude1 With slight adjustments in keys, this need not be an issue. I think it all came down to what it always comes down to, money and lawyers. Plus, Gabriel being a "guest" in his own band probably was probably going to be a recipe for malcontent. Jon Anderson has styated the same sentiment for the 90125-era years in Yes.
Yep! It stays on topic, ie. his place in the band, from the early stages, to give a statisfactory answer to the title question, without wandering off. Good narrative, good pictues. I know the Genesis story very well, but still found this interesting.
These AI generated clickbait videos are concerning because they create a narrative that is just a bunch of random sound bytes from the internet. I’m sure the other members of the band would strongly disagree that Gabriel was the “ heart and soul” of Genesis. And what’s with all the footage that isn’t even of Gabriel but some other singer?.. Nothing is real.
I was lucky enough to see Genesis before Peter left- absolutely one of the best concerts ever- but I learned a lesson- NEVER go to "General Admission" concerts You could be physically injured by FRONT ROW JACKASSES I actually met Peter,and wanted to take a picture-but he politely asked me not to- he was not ready for a mass of people to notice him...might be right at the time of his first child's birth- I took one from big time zoom distance so no one would see what I was shooting at....still have that picture still have all his and Genesis albums on vinyl and CD....they are timeless in their originality
He replaced John Mayhew and was actually the fourth drummer. After Anthony Phillips left in 1970 as well he was replaced for a few months by Mick Barnard but wasn't a good fit so Steve Hackett replaced him. They recorded their third album Nursery Cryme after that so the group was already a band for 3 years before Hackett and Collins joined.
Their last few gigs were so bad , as Phil was just not well enough to do it any justice and it was a sad end .Peter must have cringed in the audience and he undoubtedly made the right decision not to join them on stage.
A trick of the tail is an excellent album. So Gabriel was not essential in the band. And his solo album where very good too. Alors tout le monde est content !
A Duet, and probably they would create a story about a relationship between the two singers. They could write a Progressive Rock version of Brokeback Mountain, and those two Cowboy Rockers would sing some pretty amazing duets: Fights, challenges, and Sex. It would be awesome to feature at least one female guest artist like Taylor Swift, or Adele as a frustrated wife.
Early Genesis was the best. After Ant, Peter and Steve left, it wasn't the same. At least for me. The commercialized version post Gabriel and Hackett felt like a sellout to pop.
There is a reason 'Lamb' is the least Genesis LP of that period. Its a Gabriel album with the band treated as a backing band. Gabriel iced the band out and made Lamb a Gabriel project and not a Genesis one. It was the right time for him to leave for both him and for the band.
In my opinion, Gabriel bailed on Genesis. Remember, the band was in debt. The bottom line, Phil stepped up and they made hundreds of millions of dollars.
ha ha, as though Gabriel was the kingpin of a band who were all very creative. And most of the video on this isn't them, and the singer is strutting around like freddie mercury, hilarious
You are wrong on this one. After PG left, post Genesis, he came into some financial trouble with a musical business venture. Genesis took proceeds from concerts and helped pay PG's financial obligations off.
Wow, this is pretty basic stuff. Nothing that any moderate Genesis fan doesn’t already know. Nothing new here. Some factual and timeline mistakes and bad footage.
Dreadful editing. I had to stop watching before 2 1/2 minutes because the narration was about the Genesis show photos of later years. It wasn’t just once it was three times that I noticed before I switched off. 2 out of 10 must do better.
This is a joke, something created for people who don’t know anything about rock and roll, let alone prog. No mention of Steve Hackett, and I’m guessing they could get mainly live video of whoever fronted the band for five minutes after Collins left. This is the worst kind of clickbait and I’m pissed I can’t get back the time I wasted watching this drivel. Note to self: ignore this source forever. What was it called? Oh yeah, FarceVerse.
I get that Peter Gabriel was important, but I think Steve Hackett had a lot to do with their success. I would argue that their best albums were all the ones Steve Hackett was on. Once he left they essentially turned into a pop band. I credit Gabrial with great lyrics and Hackett with making them a great instrumental prog band. His guitar made many of their songs great.
I could not agree more! Of all the band members, Steve Hackett was the one who has done the most to keep the old, early 70s music of Genesis alive, with his many “Genesis Revisited” tours. And while all the members of the band had stellar solo careers - even Anthony Phillips - I would argue that Steve Hackett created the most interesting original material. He is not the household name that Peter Gabriel, Phil Collin’s and even Mike and the Mechanics became, Hackett to me remains the most interesting of the bunch. It isn’t often where a successful band can be looked back on as less than the “sum of the parts”, but in this case, it has proven to be true. I say this all with respect and admiration, because all of them made records that to this day remain amongst my favorites, from Anthony Phillips classical records, to Phil Collin’s amazing “Face Value” and others, to Peter Gabriel’s initial and subsequent solo projects…but I count Hackett’s “Spectral Mornings”, “Defector” and “Voyage of the Acolyte” as great albums as well. I’ve met Peter Gabriel many times and he is a true gentleman, someone who treats everyone with grace and his care for big problems in the world. What a gift Genesis and its members have been to the music community and the world at large.
+ he sounds better in 2024 than he did in 1974.....granted technology has come a long way but his playing has matured beyond.......
@@poboymusic1958 No question that all the Genesis members are excellent and often exceptional musicians, and I would add Phil Collins as drummer (and vocalist) to that exceptional list. Tony Banks also in the same class. A once in a lifetime band, but then so many others are that too. It's wonderful to have so much choice of music to listen to.
While Steve was a great addition to the band (believe me, I thought he was great), I would think that the driving force during the Gabriel years, musically, was always Tony Banks. They were keyboard-laden, and to say they were influenced by the likes of Yes and ELP would be an understatement. What I think separated them was, and why I played Genesis incessantly, and not the other prog stuff, was Peter. To me, Supper's Ready, Watcher, Moonlit Knight, Epping Forest, I Know What I Like and the entirety of The Lamb are the zenith of their greatest moments, and without Gabriel, nothing which followed ever came remotely close, but of course that's just my opinion.
When you look into the band dynamics, Steve and Peter were ''allies'' for want of a better word and this kept them in balance with the Banks Rutherford alliance. Phil Collins acted as a stabilising factor in the mix and was also on good terms with Steve so Steve began to get more of his ideas into compositions and Selling England was all the better for that. As soon as Gabriel left Steve was then isolated and it is no surprise that he soon left as he was told in no uncertain terms by Banks that he could not have a solo career and still be in Genesis. Phil Collins was not happy with this situation and showed his hand by playing and singing on Voyage of the Acolyte and Rutherford seemed to have misgivings by now and also played on the album. This must have been a kick in the teeth for Banks !
Been a fan since '74. 50 years. Saw the Lamb, Wind, Three, and Duke tours. Many years later i was in a McDonalds standing in line when over the speakers i heard the remake of "Carpet Crawlers" with both Phil and Peter singing. It was a surreal experience. I love all the prog bands of that era, but Genesis hold a very special place in my heart. It has to be their gentle beauty.
The subtitles make this unintentionally comedic with such gems as "let's alarm" and "landlines down".
Thanks for the heads up , reckon I would have missed it , comedy gold
Do these channel people not know that RUclips provides its own subtitle viewing options for viewers??? Very unprofessional for English content to be presented with English subtitles. Also inappropriate are three or four shots (including some closeups) of Ray Wilson doing vocals when there is no mention of him whatsoever...
Fifty years on from when he quite Genesis, and we are still talking about it. That says a great deal about how music and musicians can transcend the period they emerged in. I saw Gabriel last year at the O2 in London. Still a phenomenal performer.
He unites people.
We are still traumatized by it, mate. I am also still recovering from the Hartnell - Troughton Docor WHO regeneration.
@@petersmith9689 The Hartnell/Pertwee transition was painful too. If only time travel were real.....
@@petersmith9689 ???
He left. Genesis then released their best album up to that point, and Gabriel released absolutely exquisite music from then on. Win-win.
5 young songwriter/musicians all with different ideas and visions of which direction and shape their music and lyrics should go.
Historically, this is a recipe for disaster when it comes to young bands. The fact that they collaborated and created some of the most innovative music of their era and produced 6 albums in the Gabriel era should be applauded. They were young, late teens early 20's which makes their accomplishments even more impressive.
like the Beatles, more or less?...
PG actually quit Genesis before Lamb tour, but honored his commitment to it.
He announced his final decision to leave the band a couple of dates into their extended North American tour for the album, but the decision had been a long time in the making. He quickly agreed to stay on for the length of the tour (Europe too) though, and to keep quiet about it to outsiders.
Why is there footage of Ray Wilson whilst the narrator talks about Peter Gabriel?
Because most of this is generated garbage with little concern for actual content.
@@Drchainsaw77 The forced subtitling is BS, given that RUclips provides the option for viewers. The voice is no doubt AI and very annoying and some of the facts are - not facts, but on the whole, I didn't mind watching it. I learned a few things that seem credible. The shots of Ray Wilson were very irresponsible but you get what you get from some 15 year old probably putting this together, IDK.
Very sloppy for sure.
I know. This video-maker is rather lazy in that many of the clips shown while he's talking about Gabriel w/Genesis are from After he left Genesis! The clip of Ray Wilson is laughable while he's discussing Gabriel w/Genesis!
Because, well, clickbait.
Got to see Genesis at Winterland during their very first US tour and the old ice hockey rink was only about half full but what a show. When Gabriel came out on stage in his "Watcher of the Skies" costume my jaw dropped - I said WTF? But I enjoyed every minute of it and have been enjoying the band and Gabriel's solo work ever since.
I've always wondered if the pod scene in the movie "This is Spinal Tap" was an early Genesis satire. The scene where Derrick Smalls gets stuck in the pod for the entire performance of "Rock n Roll Creation." He finally escapes at the end of the song right when he's supposed to go back in. He does manage to get his arm back in the pod.
And I have been on severall PG concerts between 78 and today.
All great, not only music wise but also his creativeness with the make of the whole show
To be honest, I never cared much for Gabriel's solo material, but I'm forever grateful for his "putting Genesis on the map” with his costumes and stage antics in the early 70s. His stage presence was (and still is) riveting. Musically, however, give me some Banks or Hackett compositions any time.
San Jacinto or Biko doesn't suit you?
@@fenwayify I like those songs, especially Biko which blew me away the first time I heard it. But I never felt the need to hear Biko more than a few times, as opposed to “Firth of Fifth”, for example, that still gives me goosebumps after decades of hearing it. Just a matter of taste, that's all.
In my opinion I can say that Peter was Genesis and Genesis was Peter, magic,visionary art of lirycs, where Peter excels as the great protagonist. When Steve came out , the Genesis world ended. Phil was a good drummer,light years away from Peter's class.I saw the concerts of 73/74/75 whit the only concert for The Lamb tour in Italy. Turin 24/3/75 n.tick.01564.STRAORDINARIO. Then it became a pop band. I keep that period in my heart until 75, until my end. A hug fom ITALY.
I had the same life experience. When Peter left, Phil was close to ABBA in my musical lexicon of the time.
They were huge in Italy back then during the Gabriel era. I remember the band talking about that fact in interviews.
Gabriel himself summed it up later: "Within Genes, I was the one mostly in control of visual presentation, and Phil was the critical element in terms of the groove and feel of the music" Phil Collins' skills as an arranger is something many people don't get, but they were very essential to avoid having the music feel crowded and overloaded, and to making the shifts of moods within the song come alive
Steve's my man. And wow he can play among the very best of them.
One of the things that have always mystified and frustrated me was why Gabriel and Hackett never worked together.
Hair Envy.
Steve is a genius guitarist
Never liked each other
I remember years ago in a music article that Steve Hackett was so upset with Peter Gabriel that he crushed a wine glass in the left hand and nearly severed his thumb. That would have been a tragedy if Steve Hackett had disabled his hand; no more great music from one of the best guitarist in the world IMO.
Guitarists get frustrated with singers, largely because singers tend to have a mind of their own that does not feature guitar solos. In addition to these Genesis guys: EVH and all his singers. Blackmore and all his singers. Yngwie and all his singers. Slash and Axl (understandable). The list is looong
actually Gabriel decided to leave the band, and informed them, before the Lamb tour but offered to stay until it was done... and Gabriel was close with the others throughout the years; they even had a one-off reunion fundraiser to get Gabriel out of financial difficulties (WOMAD festival startup had him almost go broke), and Phil worked on several of Peter's solo projects... What would a new album sound like with both singing? similar to Calling All Stations, honestly... and only hardcore Genesis fans liked it because the music was ok, but neither Gabriel or Collins singing (I liked it, btw).
I heard it was halfway during the Lamb tour, he spilled it all out, to manager AND the band, he didn't quit in the middle of it. He comitted to tour it out. They all agreed to keep it as secret as possible. His last gig was in France, May 1975, and rumours has it that he rehearsed/practised a solo oboe/flute tune called "The Last Post" prior to the gig, in order to play it as an encore, or "intro" to another regular tune in their setlist, but it didn't happen.
A few months later, in August, the press got wind of it. But then, they already was halfway into rehearsing "Trick Of The Tail" with Phil on lead vocals, to which the press didn't know about at all yet. Actually, believe it or not, Gabriel visited the band in the studio and listened to the album, and thought they had succeeded in proving to others that they still were "a whole, strong band without me". He knew that the group could write strong material, but the little effort it took them surprised him the most.
Suck on that one, for a while.
@@henkehakansson2004 Gabriel had a wife & a newborn daughter, which none of the other bandmates had along w/the responsibilities that go with that. His wife & newborn daughter was his priority over the band's ambitions. A few yrs. later, Phil was in a similar situation as Gabriel's, with a wife & newborn, and he was pressured to go on a worldwide tour w/Genesis as they broke through w/their 1977 ATTWT album. It broke up his marriage.
Gabriel's work, post-Genesis, speaks for itself. He didn't need to be part of a group, or at least not Genesis, so I think the split was for the good of all involved. We got a more focussed Genesis sound, and a more grounded conceptual artist in Gabriel, who did some seminal work in the late 70s and 1980s.
It's kinda like the split between Rod Stewart and the Faces - the front man tended to grow bigger in the public eye than the rest of the band, and this breeds tensions...Except that within Genesis, Peter was just one of several songwriters at the time. Hackett was still mostly a musician and a creator of sounds/solos at the time, but later, when he too began to do more songwriting of his own, it soon created tensions too because a band with four accomplished songwriters just didn't have enough space for all of them.
Gabriel did sing with Genesis (and Collins) again on the rather excellent (I think) reimagined Carpet Crawlers release in about 1999
Genesis' peak success did not occur during the Gabriel era. Artistically one could argue between the Gabriel or Collins eras but in terms of fame sales and notoriety, that came in the early 80s. For example, their first studio album after Gabriel (A Trick of the Tail, 1975) outsold all previous seven albums (six studio plus their '73 live album) combined! Some of this was no doubt due to anticipation over what would happen next with the group but in reality, Genesis in the Gabriel era were only big in uncommon markets. Italy for example, was obsessed with the band. This era may have been more popular there than back home in England!
Another reason for Genesis' peak occurring later is due to the difference in song material between the eras. Gabriel had wanted all along during his time in the band to intentionally avoid writing 'hit' songs. He wanted the more artistic obscurity offered by fantasy that bore little resemblance to reality. And it was towards Gabriel's departure that others in the band were getting tired of this. While it was some great music, most of it got little airplay which held the band's popularity growth back. By the third album of the Collins era (And Then There Were Three) All of the Gabriel type fantasy lyrics were gone from the band permanently, and the band began to really take off in popularity. They were still prog in music and lyrics but it was different and combined with mainstream elements as well. I would say they peaked between '83 and '86 with the self titled and Invisible Touch albums. While the 80s were great music and great years for Genesis' popularity, I still prefer the Gabriel era, extending into the first couple of Collins era albums (Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering).
Great move to break up. Without the separation, we would not have had such amazing songs like Here Comes The Flood, Solsbury Hill, San Jacinto, lntruder, and Red Rain. Their split gave Genesis the opportunity to destroy their creativity by going super pop and showcasing Peter's genius as a true creative artist. Everyone wins and no one gets hurt. Thanks Peter
Genesis did not destroy their creativity, they flourished with some of the best music ever produced. As did PG and Phil with their solo careers.
Rilling, Cantatas. Full and warm. Beautiful playing and great choir and solo singing.
Trick of the tail and wind and the wuthering were my peak albums but lamb lies down and selling England by the pound were amazing too
I think all of Genesis "best albums" are only the 2 ones where they were 4. Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. The production, arrangements (especially) had a more even flow and DIRECTION to them. On The Lamb and Selling England it was a little bit too much hotch-potch and musical pieces laid end to end without even having anything to do with each other. Just changing pace/tempo/odd time signature in the middle of a song, just because of it. Roller coaster, ups and down, up and down. Directionless. When they were 4, they could keep the prog flag up high, but when they were 3 it all went downhill... methinks. IMHO.
One of my favorite musicians ever
Having just got into Gabriel era Genesis I would be blown away by a new record. What would it sound like? I've no idea, but that the exciting part.
A major bone of contention was Peter's insistence on writing all the lyrics for TLLDOB, contrary to normal Genesis practice.
It would be one of the fantastic albums of the 21st Century.
I would be breathless in anticipation.
God willing it will happen.
It wasn't heartbreaking or shocking news, the band knew it since a long time ago, that while PG left the writing sessions to work with film director William Friedkin for a film script or "ideas", the others thought that it was then he was leaving. When Friedkin heard of that he was probably breaking up the band, he said he just wanted minor input not fully commitment so he got cold feet and bailed out. Then then band knew, that when PG returned, he may as well do it again, some time in the future, and he did. BTW the band wasn't that big back then at all, not in comparison to how they went ballistic later on.
As it has happened, PG wanted to "show" the public and fans, that Genesis could do just as well without him, and - frankly - they did. When the first album without Pete came out "Trick Of The Tail" the initial reviews was in the vein of "Oh, I thought that Peter Gabriel had quit... they sound the same". Very unaware of that Phil sang backing vocals on earlier albums, on top of having one or two "ballad" tracks on each album where he did all the lead vocals. And did perform them too, live from time to time (not always though). So, it happened very little to Genesis when PG left. BUT! When Steve Hackett left, all their style and sound changed waaaay more, than it did when Peter left. Way more.
Steve Hackett, and Phil Collins could continue to do solo albums WHILE still in Genesis, but Peter felt otherwise. He was better of as a frontman for himself. Today, Steve Hackett is the only one of the band, still touring with Genesis OLDER material.
And all this BS about acrimonously being forced out by Phil and that shit. Phil played drums on subsequent solo albums by Peter, so why should he do that of he "ousted" him from Genesis? Totally bollocks. He even was open to PGs whim by dodging all cymbals on his third album, to which Phil had no objection to at all, but Jerry Marrota did.
To the final question, how would another album with both Phil and Peter on vocals sound? Magnificent, of course! Much love to both and all members of the band, all of the offshoots including solo careers for both Phil and PG, Mike and the Mechanics... some of the best music ever made that will last as long as humanity does. ❤
Gabrel got the vision that music was about to change, and Genesis survived because Phill's songwriting, even if people say he didn't have much control and leadership
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Gabriel had spoken in other interviews that he was only interested in writing obscure songs for the band. He went out of his way to avoid writing hit songs. "I Know What I Like..." was the only hit of the Gabriel era and that song was certainly no different from Gabriel's style of the day! Years later he said that the exclusive non-hits philosophy was a stupid idea.
I prefer the Gabriel era extending into the first two Collins era albums (up to Wind and Wuthering) but I would say the band transitioned well, continuing to make good music to finish off the 70s and then taking off in the 80s to the big time. I think they actually made one of the best transitions among bands / artists bridging those decades.
Genesis albums dominate my record collection. I think I have duplicates of a couple. The chemistry created by these guys is undeniable. I've played in a couple bands. I get it...someone has to be the driving force without ruining the vibe between players. Certainly by now they've outgrown many of the competitive pressures & creative ego driven trappings, but that's where the genius sleeps. Recognizing it when it arises and building on it is takes team work, musical vision, raw talent & a host of other skills. If a reunion is possible, I'm sure the world would welcome it with open arms in whatever form it takes....playing old tunes or creating some new ones. But what I'd really love to experience is a true reunion that combines these amazing talents & musical power. I brought my 32 year old son to a Steve Hackett concert last year...and he loved it! I loved it!! In fact, it reminded me just how badly I've missed hearing this music live. We just can't get this level of great quality progressive rock music in the states!! I hope & pray that a reunion happens & fills the halls & stadiums across America! I'll be there!!!
For me, the album with Ray Wilson was a fantastic step into teyr past.
The voice of Phil Collins got me tired of Genesis.
And Ray's voice was a big change to the positive.
Also the keyboard and synthesizer sounded more like in the old days.
What a pity when they stopped that after one album.
I was years later on a small club concert with Ray and it sounded still great.
Yeh, it is such a shame. That album Calling All Stations isn't all that bad, and Ray Wilson's vocals on it are outstanding, very much heartfelt w/a lot of intensity. It's b/c they overestimated that Genesis w/o Phil could still fill Arena-sized venues in America, but could only at best fill 1/2 the seats. And so the tour and the latest incarnation of Genesis was considered 'a failure'. Musically, I don't consider this version of Genesis as 'a failure', far from it. But $$ talks in the music biz, esp. in America, and so, then there were none.
Saw Gabriel in Toronto.Wasn’t a concert.It was an experience.He’s always been one of a kind though a bit eccentric.Would it have killed him to sing one Genesis song?
Best band ever.
The video was great and informative but showed, at times, the ex Stiltskin lead singer who fronted for Genesis for the Calling all Stations album and tour when talking about Peter, and didn't credit him. All the artists who have performed within the orbit of this behemoth called Genesis have been true originals in my opinion.
Afterglow with Peter Gabriel‘s Voice . That had to be the Perfect end of their last concert …
They all should have been there on stage during this final concert doing some music. Peter and Steve but then even the live crew guys (like Chester Thompson and Darryl Stuermer on drums) even Anthony Phillips (guitar) and drummers John Silver and John Mayhew (who preceded Collins on drums) would have been cool (I am assuming the two obscure drummers are still alive!). This is one of rock's greatest bands and they all played a part in getting it and / or keeping it going! These guys never grow up LOL!
Solsbury Hill sums it up
And Games Without Frontiers.
Well, because of Phil’s health conditions, it isn’t likely that Peter and Phil would collaborate on a Genesis album these days. But I don’t think it’s out of the question. At least they still have much respect for each other and could be in the same room together, unlike Gilmour and Waters from one of my other favorite bands ever. But that’s a whole different story in itself 😆.
Phil should quit drinking and stupid self-loathing. Some golddigger is not worth to cry after.
Waters has a way too large ego. Gilmour and Mason should collaborate on with Alan Parsons instead.
Lately I'm very obsessed with Peter Gabriel's voice, specially on Genesis material, such a bummer that his voice was great on The Lamb album and he just quit ater it
I had a fondness for genesis but it waned after Hackett left. I occasional still dip into their earlier stuff. I did have the first thee albums by Gabriel, good as they are, he went into a musical direction that didnt interest me much but I get why he left the band, we all close chapters in our lives and move on.
Awesome! That's what I think an ablum release featuring Peter and Phil.
Heh . . . I was AT Charterhouse when Nursery Cryme came out. One of my mates was Rob Phillips, the younger brother of Ant. But it wasn't a huge deal. They'd all left a couple of years before I arrived, and there was no trace there other than the presence of Rob, with whom I rarely talked about Genesis. Anyway, he was in a house called Gownboys, which wasn't exactly round the corner from Daviesites, where I was. But I had my own rock star right there, playing the rickety piano in the rec room and delighting us all-Karl Wallinger (World Party/Ship of Fools) who was one of my smoking mates. I eventually became a musician too, but I'd have to say that Charterhouse was not exactly a nurturing location.
Fucking Chapel every fucking morning-one day I skipped it and THEY FOUND ME. To this day I have no idea how they'd noticed in a crush of 600 boys that *I* happened to not be there.
Yeah. No wish to return to the horrorshow that was an early 70s boarding school for boys in that green and pleasant land of England.
It is a lingering tragedy that the original members could never find a way to make a reunion record happen. Certainly with the enormous gaps in time between Gabriel records you'd think there would have been time for it. But I guess there would always have been the pressure to tour which would be a much thornier issue to find consensus. Oh well.
Not sure Gabriel could have sung the early stuff night after night on tour. One night at Milton Keynes for the Six of the Best show was hard enough.
@@kenjude1 With slight adjustments in keys, this need not be an issue. I think it all came down to what it always comes down to, money and lawyers. Plus, Gabriel being a "guest" in his own band probably was probably going to be a recipe for malcontent. Jon Anderson has styated the same sentiment for the 90125-era years in Yes.
The Magic continued well into the eighties. Just not based in fantasy themed topics.
To ME ...I will Always LOVE GENESIS...Until my end of time...
Great and complete video about Peter Gabriel.
Yep! It stays on topic, ie. his place in the band, from the early stages, to give a statisfactory answer to the title question, without wandering off. Good narrative, good pictues. I know the Genesis story very well, but still found this interesting.
These AI generated clickbait videos are concerning because they create a narrative that is just a bunch of random sound bytes from the internet. I’m sure the other members of the band would strongly disagree that Gabriel was the “ heart and soul” of Genesis. And what’s with all the footage that isn’t even of Gabriel but some other singer?.. Nothing is real.
Peter may not have been the "heart and soul” of Genesis but he was certainly their very well known, expected and loved front man.
Good man he is ..
Thx Yoda! 🤣
I was lucky enough to see Genesis before Peter left- absolutely one of the best concerts ever- but I learned a lesson- NEVER go to "General Admission" concerts
You could be physically injured by FRONT ROW JACKASSES
I actually met Peter,and wanted to take a picture-but he politely asked me not to- he was not ready for a mass of people to notice him...might be right at the time of his first child's birth-
I took one from big time zoom distance so no one would see what I was shooting at....still have that picture
still have all his and Genesis albums on vinyl and CD....they are timeless in their originality
1:45 Why is Phil Collins not included?
He wasn't a founding member. Joined later
He replaced John Mayhew and was actually the fourth drummer. After Anthony Phillips left in 1970 as well he was replaced for a few months by Mick Barnard but wasn't a good fit so Steve Hackett replaced him. They recorded their third album Nursery Cryme after that so the group was already a band for 3 years before Hackett and Collins joined.
Their last few gigs were so bad , as Phil was just not well enough to do it any justice and it was a sad end .Peter must have cringed in the audience and he undoubtedly made the right decision not to join them on stage.
A trick of the tail is an excellent album. So Gabriel was not essential in the band. And his solo album where very good too. Alors tout le monde est content !
Live you, Peter! ❤
I think the band members couldn't understand most of his lyrics but i think they were at there best when he was with them
A Duet, and probably they would create a story about a relationship between the two singers. They could write a Progressive Rock version of Brokeback Mountain, and those two Cowboy Rockers would sing some pretty amazing duets: Fights, challenges, and Sex. It would be awesome to feature at least one female guest artist like Taylor Swift, or Adele as a frustrated wife.
I'd like to see Mr.Gabriel do an animated Lamb!
Early Genesis was the best. After Ant, Peter and Steve left, it wasn't the same. At least for me. The commercialized version post Gabriel and Hackett felt like a sellout to pop.
I’m glad he left. Great alt artist.
They could release an album of two different sides. One Gabriel, one Collins.
50th anniversary of Lamb next year. Wish they would tour with original group and restored working slide show and costumes.
I believe The Lamb album was released in 1974, so this yr. is the 50th Anniv.
Can’t happen, Phil is incapable of playing the drums.
Nothing at all new here for anyone that knows even a little bit about the band.
The group lost its best singer (Peter) and lost his best drummer (Phil, that unfortunately started to sing)
As soon as you got the captions wrong, misrepresenting what Peter Gabriel said, I lost interest...
There is a reason 'Lamb' is the least Genesis LP of that period. Its a Gabriel album with the band treated as a backing band. Gabriel iced the band out and made Lamb a Gabriel project and not a Genesis one. It was the right time for him to leave for both him and for the band.
There is a whole lot of recordings from the sessions for this album available, all of which show that your assumption cannot be correct .
Phil was gonna hit him with a "Sledge Hammer".
Genesis with Peter Gabriel = GREAT ! After Gabriel = SHIT
I'd give them W&W and TotT too, but after Hackett left = shit!
Not really.
@@lemming9984 ...yes, that's the more correct answer, i.e. "after Hackett"
@@45ounce ..."not really" is also correct. The next two albums were both well done.
it would sound better without Phil
In my opinion, Gabriel bailed on Genesis. Remember, the band was in debt. The bottom line, Phil stepped up and they made hundreds of millions of dollars.
First Peter left, then Steve. After that they should have changed the band name to "Phildo's Dildos".
if it's UK in the channel name, how come the speaker speaks American English?
excuse me but.. a 'meteoric success' is not a way up, as peter's arm suggests, but it is a way down. Sparkling, however.
"Rael" from Lamb is pronounced "Rale" not "Ray-el". Yikes!
It would sound like crap because Phil can't sing or play drums anymore.
Completely ignoring the contribution of Steve Hackett! I would be more interested to see Hackett and Gabriel working together again.
Another seminal Brit band and their stratospheric achievements. By a bloody yank.
Don’t like Phil’s pop approach.
ha ha, as though Gabriel was the kingpin of a band who were all very creative. And most of the video on this isn't them, and the singer is strutting around like freddie mercury, hilarious
💰 Say want you want, its always about the money 💵 at the end of the day . Nothing else matters, sad 😔 really ! ⚠...
I don’t follow. Wasn’t this decision kind of the antithesis of that? Genesis were huge and made a lot of money when Gabriel decided to leave.
You are wrong on this one. After PG left, post Genesis, he came into some financial trouble with a musical business venture. Genesis took proceeds from concerts and helped pay PG's financial obligations off.
Wow, this is pretty basic stuff. Nothing that any moderate Genesis fan doesn’t already know. Nothing new here. Some factual and timeline mistakes and bad footage.
Dreadful editing. I had to stop watching before 2 1/2 minutes because the narration was about the Genesis show photos of later years. It wasn’t just once it was three times that I noticed before I switched off. 2 out of 10 must do better.
Peter's characters seemed pretentious making Genesis at that time annoyingly weird. The best prog rock band is Yes, by far.
This is a joke, something created for people who don’t know anything about rock and roll, let alone prog. No mention of Steve Hackett, and I’m guessing they could get mainly live video of whoever fronted the band for five minutes after Collins left. This is the worst kind of clickbait and I’m pissed I can’t get back the time I wasted watching this drivel. Note to self: ignore this source forever. What was it called? Oh yeah, FarceVerse.
Who cares after almost 50 years
I'm interested. It's history.
Peter Gabriel, one of the most overrated people ever to put on a goofy costume. Genesis were way better without him.
..... now you're diggin' on Taylor Swift.
Hackett agrees.
His vocals and creativity would never be matched for the remainder of Genesis😊