I was constantly saying the same line during my gameplay. I was least interested in finding her. I'd rather go and fight some drowners in Velen. But the game revolves around her, so got no choice.
Everyone underestimates Roche. He went through the training to become a sorcerer and broke new ground in his practice of necromancy by raising Ves from the grave to fight again. Sure, she can't talk, but he did it all in an amazingly short amount of time. Bloody impressive!
Butcher of Blaviken clearly became all he sought to defeat. Somebody needs to take care of him and if he asks "What are you doing?!" reply with "Killing monsters".
It's really interesting to see how an incorrect claim on the Wiki can spread to the rest of the community, and awesome of you for putting in the work actually testing how the moving parts of the game all work. As a side note, as a viewer it hurts to see you apologising for not uploading fast enough. Regardless of the demands of the algorithm, this is quality content and I don't see how anyone could fault you for taking the time to properly investigate and explain these details, however long each mystery takes to solve.
Peoples trust in numerous wiki's is really sad. I was attacked by a few people that I lie and so on cause what I wrote (based on books) was against false info from one fan wiki. None of them read the books, none of them cared what was really in the books. One sentence on wiki was their sacred verse...
@@wojtek1582 I was looking at mods on nexus earlier and a bunch of people were trashing a mod in the comments for being incorrectly named lore friendly. It was a mod for Ciri's sword that gave it a wavy flamberge-like texture. Fortunately someone quoted the book verbatim where it was described as such. People care more about thinking they're right than being right most of the time.
It is absolutely insane to me that even after the YEARS of excellent digging that xLetalis did on this game, someone else can come along and find equally interesting discoveries about this game. Witcher 3 just has so much in it, it's really insane how much they put into this game.
@@Laszer271 Yeah the video also emphasizes how even despite his extremely tortured misplaying of the game, the devs still took care of a ton of edge cases with unique VA, ya fkin numbnuts
He meant not the bug but how many scenarios there are depending on so many little things you did or did not in the past. Even failing some quests AND doing other quests results in some different outcomes, the level of complexity in the nodes tree that programmers had to create must be insane. I completed this game like 10 times with DLC's and always tried to do everything possible, every quest, location, activity, and in different ways, but I still encounter some new things from time to time.
You should do the video about Reasons of State ending, it is a very interesting part of Witcher 3 in that it really does stick out like a sore thumb as pretty much the worst part of the otherwise great main story (technically a side quest, I know, but one that severely affects the main quest).
And you know, nothing happens. Radovid dies for example, Redanian soldiers remain strolling the streets. I want to see the consequences of my actions goddamnit lmao
It doesn't have a real impact on the main story or other quests.. yeah, if Radovid is alive, you can't get the "Ciri Empress ending" and there are some differences in the other epilogues depending on who is the ruler of the North, but really, the effects of this questline are pretty small in my opinion
@@madness8897 yeah i always thought it made no sense for dijsktra to say hes going to kill them and assume geralt will walk away leaving his friends to die. dijsktra is known for how smart and cutthroat he can be, if anything he would do it after geralt leaves and not say a word about it
@@BigDaddy0Kev i will be glad if they expanded upon witcher univers way that we will see redania nilfgard or zerikania because gerald dont visid them in books and games will be better if they add characters we play there someday and this battle too if we see more quest that can change war it will be good
I would've liked to see Iorveth and Saskia with a band of Upper Aedirn refugees and Scoiatel. The Iorveth path was far more impactful than Roche's and yet he got cut from the game entirely.
According to what I saw, they were. The Catariona line was going to involve Iorveth and the Scoi'atel along with a much larger aspect of the war. It would've likely ended with the decisions that you get in the ending (Nilfgaard wins, North wins w/ Radovid, North wins w/ Dijkstra), just not as sudden and poorly written in. Every other ending scene involves multiple secondary questlines except that one which is basically just one secondary questline that branches off of the Novigrad mages quest line.
On Deathmarch difficulty level, it is almost hard to keep Vas alive during her quest. You have to waste no time chatting with Roche, and rush in the village past all enemies to get to her and clear out the Nilfgardians attacking her. Once she is no longer attacked, you can focus on the ones attacking Geralt (you) directly.
I love how (after you save her) Roche rages about how she "dashes into battle shirt open, navel and whatnot exposed". Yeah, no wonder she dies so easily.
Since the devs thought of possibility of Ves dying, I'm confident her being there is simply a bug. Maybe it broke in one of the patches or maybe someone forgot to add replacement model for Ves.
That or a general spawn npc command broke, ves was the backup the system defaulted to and kept spawning her because she was in the previous scene. Either that or a spawn ves exclusion script broke and allowed her to be included. Likely something along those lines if not exact.
I know that I'm extremely late with this comment, but I figured I'd say something anyway because I haven't seen anyone else do so. Your speculation that it broke in one of the patches might totally be correct. I say this because I vaguely remember doing the Reason of State quest with Ves dead during a very early playthrough of the game. By early, I mean all the way back before Hearts of Stone had even come out. I remember Ves being absent entirely during those scenes. Now, I could just be misremembering, but assuming I'm not, that would indicate one of the patches did indeed put her back in by accident even when she shouldn't be there.
No need to guess. Its obviosly huge bug. All the king assasination quest is unfinished and cut down. Game is not perfect, no matter how funboys try to shout it out.
@@ScienceDiscovererhonestly it’s sad how much of the political side of the Witcher 3’s story was cut out, I’m guessing that’s the only reason that the quests are optional as otherwise they’d be part of the main story like in the previous games. Geralt clearly doesn’t like taking part in any of it and it only works when he’d be forced to take a side like in the previous games.
I can’t imagine the amount of effort going into these videos. We’re talking hours of gameplay, saving and reloading at the right times, editing, voiceover... thank you for this!
It was mentioned by CDPR that Ves' quest (Eye for an Eye) is one of the remaining remnants from the removed Iorveth/plague questline, which was supposedly a huge one. It would make sense that Reasons of State was tied to this in some way and likely quickly shuffled to a different spot. This would likely account for Geralt's line about Ciri. But, whether they forgot to include the correct "no-Ves" scenes, accidentally removed the trigger (a la Thaler's spectacles dialog), or just plain didn't have time to thoroughly QC/update the scenes who knows.
my first playthrough of the witcher 3, I had the reason of states long before even finding ciri since it was one of those that got abandonned when you go to that island to find her.
My first play through I accidentally let Ves die and still got to do Reason of State, had no idea there was controversy here lol. I actually didn't see her life bar and thought it was one of those quests where the NPCs can't die anyway, so I started looting all the bodies. When Roche said 'what the fuck were you doing? Picking berries?' I felt so guilty lmao
In one run, I let the random choice happen and Ves & Roche die. Then, I did the quest with Ciri in which you go to the camp; during the race I found Ves and Roche walking in the forest portion of the race. I dismounted 'cos I wanted to see if I could interact with them, but that triggered the cut scene regarding the race (because you lose the race automatically). Just thought it was an interesting thing, that Ves & Roche were programmed to walk away. I don't know about programing choices, I just thought it was an interesting find to share, I think other folks might have stumbled upon this, too. Since it was at night and in the forest, I thought of them as ghost LOL
@@Bjjbhcoa86 i believe it's the optional horse race you can do when you're running around novigrad with ciri as she speaks to all the people who helped her out. it's in farcorners with the scoia'tel, which would be around the same time that reason of state occurs iirc
Maybe you could do White Orchard epilogue comparison for each ending? As far as I am concerned there is still no video about it on RUclips. There is a lot to discover, whether we are talking about the dwarves encounter - you are approached by different soldiers on each ending, or there are redanian soldiers stealing livestock from peasants on Dijkstras ending, soldiers treat peasants differently on Radovid and Dijkstra ending and many more!
A little late (But video randomly picked up in the feed): But this attitude, of not just accepting information at face value - and validating sources, is necessary. In this day and age, where mainstream media is happy to blindly copy paste information from twitter, blog sites, and more - it's rather difficult to be certain how true any information is. With the growth of AI generative tools - when combined with a bit of photo-shop work for clean up, it's feasible to make basically any image you want in absolutely absurdly small amounts of time. And this brings us to a bit of a truth: In person, with first hand sources are kind of essential these days, and more than ever we are getting to a point where active participation may actually require us to go back to physically travelling to places in order to validate we aren't being hoodwinked.
Inspired by your videos, I let Ves die in An Eye for an Eye during my latest playthrough. Seems the Next Gen version has fixed the Reason of State cutscenes so she no longer appears! There's an nameless Temerian soldier in her place.
now this is great content. i cant believe you investigated this claim that everyone else just took at face value, and then also found literally the biggest branching storylines mistake in a game famous for having impeccable management of branching storylines. like all the videos you and xlatalis do are usually "wow look at the foresight the devs had". this is the first time i've seen the devs actually make this huge a mistake, and you found it. crazy. i feel lucky that i am here to see you channel get the fame it deserves
Now my brain's on a conspiracy theory that the devs are the ones that put out the false information in an effort to keep people from discovering the bug
The devs after watching this video , will understand what a epic game they made. Someone finding bugs after all those years. Who would have thought someone is gonna go through that story line with a ton of effort and dedication. CDPR placed the bar incredibly high.
3:33 I don't know what was up with my recent game, but in it, Ves was actually hard to save. I'd reload multiple times from the hanged man's tree, and from when Ves' health bar appeared to when I got there to help her, she usually already had most of her health depleted, and every time either she died, or I risked too much of my own health in order to kill the black ones ASAP and got killed myself. It was way harder than any other quests I've done in this playthrough where people have health bars, like Lord of Undvik or the two Skelligers that want to explore a cave full of Rotfiends and Ghouls.
So my theory is that this quest was originally designed to be doable before the isle of mist. The major difference between before and after would likely have been philipa's involvement in it. They likely changed the quest starting point and while doing so intended to change the prerequisite quests to all require completion.
Deathmarch with level scaling is exactly the reason from what I have seen. However when i did the last stage of the high stakes gwent tourney {Spoilers?} in novigrad, sasha would one shot enemies.
Was she killed with a pike? In one of my playthroughs, one of the Nilfguardian was carrying a pike, and he one shotted her, so I reloaded and went again for the same thing to happen. I reloaded a third time, and used my crossbow to target that particular soldier successfully distracting him away from Ves. Needless to say, she lived that encounter.
Thank you so much for all your hard work in sharing with us your discoveries. 5th Video on the channel and 16.5k subs already. You definitely deserve and in fact more. Your videos are so well-made and detailed that I refuse to acknowledge this is only your 5th video on RUclips. You sound and create like a professional. Especially when you show the baseline/original cutscenes then proceed to show the new one you discovered. Cheers!
As for Geralt's line, when he bails out at the second chance: If you find Mousesack after completing the story, Geralt will also talk to him about having to find Ciri. Another dialogue that has slipped through the cracks.
In WitcherIII quest interplay must be incredibly complex and they did an amazing job of coverage. I always wondered if they had computer assistance with that, what their process was, or to see some of those charts they must've drawn. I applaud you for finding this.
When you said that replacing one word "Ves" with "someone" is going to be very important later, along with hearing the tone of Roche's voice, I thought to myself: "Oh my god. That somebody is going to be Roche himself, and he's going to shoot Geralt as a revenge for letting Ves die..." And then the actual change was... disappointing compared to this.
Your dedication is as staggering as it is admirable. Wonderful video. Thank you for putting in the hours it took to make it! This is one of the funniest glitches I've damn seen in my life.
Fun fact you could give triss the crystal and when you talk to radovid in the assassination quest he say that the crystal was not enought despite the fact that you didn't tell him about it
3:50 in my current playthrough of the game with the Next Gen Update, this was an absolute pain, even at a full sprint she was at best at about 50% health when I arrived, took a fair few reloads to make her survive.
I've always understood the "I have Ciri to find" quote as Geralt not wanting to admit he already found her while she is still "on the run" from almost everyone
Great video! I think it´s as harder to let Ves die as Lambert in the battle of Kaer Morhen, so you´re probably the first player to find that ending. One question, is it possible remove Radovid from power and just then let Keira go to Novigrad (Where she gives the medical recipe to radovid and dies impaled)? Maybe a secret cutsene Geralt tells her Radovid is dead? Or maybe you can find her in novigrad in Dandelion´s bar?
I dont think so because the choice to let Keira go to novigrad is in act 1 and I think the quest fails once you sail to the isle to find ciri while reasons of state is in act 3. But maybe? 🤔
Tbh somehow i did let Ves die by an accident in my first playthrough and just found that weird that she was stanting right next to me after the assassination
Nice video! What I however find the most interesting is, that you said that in order to get the Reason of State quest you need to do the Redania's Most Wanted quest except the last part. I however never did that. In my two playthroughs I always just got the quest but I have never even found the hideout or did anything else at all but I still got the Reason of State quest.
Design wise, it was probably easier to cut references to audio files and change dialogue references than it was to remove her model from the scenes (likely, it would have required a re-render), and that got left behind on a to-do list somewhere.
I wasn’t sure about this video format but you executed the idea so well I’ll definitely be watching the Ice Giant one next and anything else similar. Great job; no notes.
Stop calling Roche per "Roach" his name sounds originally as "Rosh" I'm Polish and I know how it's natively pronounced from CD Projekt RED themselves. Trust me - it was an English DUBBING MISTAKE (which is pretty major, considering that Roach is Geralt's horse. xD
17:10 what probably happened was that the functions responsible for making Ves not appear in the fight and hiding her in the cutscenes are bugged causing them to not fire but the ones replacing her lines work just fine
Amazing video, it’s mind blowing now we are still discovering new scenarios almost 7 years after release, thanks to you. I also really like the little detail of how you’re always wearing Geralt’s shades in the experimental play, and not in the control play
easy explanation ves was just a figment of geralts imagination. shes dead but the guilt was too much to accept and his mind started hallucinating her image.
I did most of these quests save for the last one. He's the only one that's gonna give the Lodge of Sorceresses what they deserve for playing everyone for their own gain
Sounds like you aren't supposed to be able to start Reasons Of State without completing the prior quests but you managed to find the crack which led to some content that was cut during development
WOW! Massive kudos for taking what I can only assume was an INORDINATE amount of time to get to the bottom of this despite all information online being contrary to your findings.
Some serious dedication to scratch that proverbial itch, discovering hidden dialogue in such a diverse branching narrative game as W3. Really enjoy your content - keep up the good work sir!
My guy, you are bloody amazing. Before you there were only two dudes talking about such stuff in Witcher 3 with such attentiveness, trying those weird scenarios by themselfs. Its Tsarevich and Gwint. But they are talking about it on Russian and ya the only one i seen so far talking about that on English, i am very happy that you do what you do, english speaking The Witcher lovers should be able to find out such things.
My experience with Ves has always been difficult 😂 Even on Blood and Broken Bones, she was straddling that health bar every time. She’d get cornered and decimated every time! Had to do about 5 reloads to find the most effective route to killing the Nilfgaardians in time lol
Bro, I've watched most of your videos these days, and I love how people who are passionate about this game continue to bring out the deepest secrets and details of all the work the developers put in, even years later. I've been following XLetalis among others for a long time and the fact that another passionate guy can start a new channel and still get stuff out of the game makes me love it even more. I love your videos, I think they are all amazingly done, probably if you make a 40 minute long one I will still enjoy it like a baby. It shows the amount of work you put into your videos, in-game hours, editing and narrative, congratulations on the progress you've made so far and good luck on the road ahead.
Also, now I know what to do in my 6th run of the game. Thanks for discovering this!
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You did some good play testing for Witcher 3. My assumption is that they probably overlooked some of the cutscenes where Ves should be dead and forgot to remove her. You're testing very specific use cases. Good video!
Ves is just so loyal to Roche, she came back from the dead to help him during such an important time
Could be some necromancy spell, he summons the shadow of her spirit to fight for him lol. :P
Roach is a secret warlock theory born. :D
Gaunter has been there
@@charlespc nah, haven’t seen any spoons or the mention of the devil
@@Giddog40 xD
or she is a well-preserved nightwraith...
"Ciri isn't the whole damn world"
*It was at that moment, Sigi knew he had fcked up*
I was constantly saying the same line during my gameplay. I was least interested in finding her. I'd rather go and fight some drowners in Velen. But the game revolves around her, so got no choice.
@@Shaboinki It's an RPG with a set story, so...yeah.
@@Shaboinki I hated playing as ciri.
@@Shaboinki Ciri had the power to end the world or save it. So at the end of the day, you're wrong
*Lady of Worlds OST intensifies*
Clearly you missed the note that describes how Ves became a spooky ghost that only Geralt can see.
was that next to the note that confirms that Ves has a mute twin sister, also named Ves???
@@NeonKnight Maybe Ves is related to Darryl and Ves, her sister, is related to Darryl, Darryl's brother?
3 points if you know where that is from.
@@NeonKnight maybe different fathers
@@pauljackson3491 hello, is this "Anything for a buck?"
Reason of State but Geralt has schizophrenia.
Everyone underestimates Roche. He went through the training to become a sorcerer and broke new ground in his practice of necromancy by raising Ves from the grave to fight again. Sure, she can't talk, but he did it all in an amazingly short amount of time. Bloody impressive!
It all makes sense now.
The fact that Geralt actually waits untill Djistra begs him not to break his leg is just too much, but as you said I'm not expert either.
Butcher of Blaviken clearly became all he sought to defeat. Somebody needs to take care of him and if he asks "What are you doing?!" reply with "Killing monsters".
@RC Dude hes just overrated pest control operative.Society need man like him.
I fucking lost it when he broke his leg… again
@@Ugurcan191 u said he’s overrated and then said society needs him?? Lmao which is it
That wasn't Ves in the cutscenes. Roaches says he'll bring "someone" with a crossbow. That's her twin sister Tes!
Bruhh this got me xD
It's really interesting to see how an incorrect claim on the Wiki can spread to the rest of the community, and awesome of you for putting in the work actually testing how the moving parts of the game all work. As a side note, as a viewer it hurts to see you apologising for not uploading fast enough. Regardless of the demands of the algorithm, this is quality content and I don't see how anyone could fault you for taking the time to properly investigate and explain these details, however long each mystery takes to solve.
Maybe the wiki and all those that reference it are trying to steer players away from seeing this phantom event of Ves being there but not actually xD
Peoples trust in numerous wiki's is really sad. I was attacked by a few people that I lie and so on cause what I wrote (based on books) was against false info from one fan wiki. None of them read the books, none of them cared what was really in the books. One sentence on wiki was their sacred verse...
@@wojtek1582 I was looking at mods on nexus earlier and a bunch of people were trashing a mod in the comments for being incorrectly named lore friendly. It was a mod for Ciri's sword that gave it a wavy flamberge-like texture. Fortunately someone quoted the book verbatim where it was described as such. People care more about thinking they're right than being right most of the time.
@@WolfWearingWolfPants that is quite sad
Definitely agree.
It is absolutely insane to me that even after the YEARS of excellent digging that xLetalis did on this game, someone else can come along and find equally interesting discoveries about this game. Witcher 3 just has so much in it, it's really insane how much they put into this game.
You mean, a bug? They have put a bug into the game. Author of this video found a bug.
@@Laszer271 Yeah the video also emphasizes how even despite his extremely tortured misplaying of the game, the devs still took care of a ton of edge cases with unique VA, ya fkin numbnuts
@@Crackawacka95 taking care of edge cases should be a given if one has decided to create those edge cases.
@@Laszer271 trololol
He meant not the bug but how many scenarios there are depending on so many little things you did or did not in the past. Even failing some quests AND doing other quests results in some different outcomes, the level of complexity in the nodes tree that programmers had to create must be insane. I completed this game like 10 times with DLC's and always tried to do everything possible, every quest, location, activity, and in different ways, but I still encounter some new things from time to time.
You should do the video about Reasons of State ending, it is a very interesting part of Witcher 3 in that it really does stick out like a sore thumb as pretty much the worst part of the otherwise great main story (technically a side quest, I know, but one that severely affects the main quest).
Also kinda a bad and sour end to a great quest chain. With something truly out of character dijkstra who is supposed to be calculating.
And you know, nothing happens. Radovid dies for example, Redanian soldiers remain strolling the streets. I want to see the consequences of my actions goddamnit lmao
It doesn't have a real impact on the main story or other quests.. yeah, if Radovid is alive, you can't get the "Ciri Empress ending" and there are some differences in the other epilogues depending on who is the ruler of the North, but really, the effects of this questline are pretty small in my opinion
@@madness8897 yeah i always thought it made no sense for dijsktra to say hes going to kill them and assume geralt will walk away leaving his friends to die. dijsktra is known for how smart and cutthroat he can be, if anything he would do it after geralt leaves and not say a word about it
Would've been nice if they added more about the war between Nilfgaard and Redania in the game. But another brilliant video today
Yeah I’d like to think so but there’s near enough to be a whole dlc
@@BigDaddy0Kev i will be glad if they expanded upon witcher univers way that we will see redania nilfgard or zerikania because gerald dont visid them in books and games will be better if they add characters we play there someday and this battle too if we see more quest that can change war it will be good
Yeah I really wished that the ending of the 2nd game mattered more for the third game like if temeria still held on under queen anais
I would've liked to see Iorveth and Saskia with a band of Upper Aedirn refugees and Scoiatel. The Iorveth path was far more impactful than Roche's and yet he got cut from the game entirely.
According to what I saw, they were. The Catariona line was going to involve Iorveth and the Scoi'atel along with a much larger aspect of the war. It would've likely ended with the decisions that you get in the ending (Nilfgaard wins, North wins w/ Radovid, North wins w/ Dijkstra), just not as sudden and poorly written in. Every other ending scene involves multiple secondary questlines except that one which is basically just one secondary questline that branches off of the Novigrad mages quest line.
On Deathmarch difficulty level, it is almost hard to keep Vas alive during her quest.
You have to waste no time chatting with Roche, and rush in the village past all enemies to get to her and clear out the Nilfgardians attacking her. Once she is no longer attacked, you can focus on the ones attacking Geralt (you) directly.
Even on Blood and Broken Bones. If you don't rush to get to her she can die easily.
I love how (after you save her) Roche rages about how she "dashes into battle shirt open, navel and whatnot exposed". Yeah, no wonder she dies so easily.
Bro I was tripping when he said that it is hard to let her die. I remember re-doing that part several times until I was able to save her
Since the devs thought of possibility of Ves dying, I'm confident her being there is simply a bug. Maybe it broke in one of the patches or maybe someone forgot to add replacement model for Ves.
I also guess, that it was planned to replacer her with some Crossbow-Goon and they just forgot.
That or a general spawn npc command broke, ves was the backup the system defaulted to and kept spawning her because she was in the previous scene. Either that or a spawn ves exclusion script broke and allowed her to be included. Likely something along those lines if not exact.
I know that I'm extremely late with this comment, but I figured I'd say something anyway because I haven't seen anyone else do so. Your speculation that it broke in one of the patches might totally be correct. I say this because I vaguely remember doing the Reason of State quest with Ves dead during a very early playthrough of the game. By early, I mean all the way back before Hearts of Stone had even come out. I remember Ves being absent entirely during those scenes. Now, I could just be misremembering, but assuming I'm not, that would indicate one of the patches did indeed put her back in by accident even when she shouldn't be there.
No need to guess. Its obviosly huge bug. All the king assasination quest is unfinished and cut down. Game is not perfect, no matter how funboys try to shout it out.
@@ScienceDiscovererhonestly it’s sad how much of the political side of the Witcher 3’s story was cut out, I’m guessing that’s the only reason that the quests are optional as otherwise they’d be part of the main story like in the previous games. Geralt clearly doesn’t like taking part in any of it and it only works when he’d be forced to take a side like in the previous games.
I can’t imagine the amount of effort going into these videos. We’re talking hours of gameplay, saving and reloading at the right times, editing, voiceover...
thank you for this!
It was mentioned by CDPR that Ves' quest (Eye for an Eye) is one of the remaining remnants from the removed Iorveth/plague questline, which was supposedly a huge one. It would make sense that Reasons of State was tied to this in some way and likely quickly shuffled to a different spot. This would likely account for Geralt's line about Ciri.
But, whether they forgot to include the correct "no-Ves" scenes, accidentally removed the trigger (a la Thaler's spectacles dialog), or just plain didn't have time to thoroughly QC/update the scenes who knows.
my first playthrough of the witcher 3, I had the reason of states long before even finding ciri since it was one of those that got abandonned when you go to that island to find her.
My first play through I accidentally let Ves die and still got to do Reason of State, had no idea there was controversy here lol. I actually didn't see her life bar and thought it was one of those quests where the NPCs can't die anyway, so I started looting all the bodies. When Roche said 'what the fuck were you doing? Picking berries?' I felt so guilty lmao
Damm you remind me of Xletails with that level of dedication to this incredible game. You’re both amazing!
@@BigDsGaming2022 Isn't he Bulgarian?
@@nivellen1168 Yes
In one run, I let the random choice happen and Ves & Roche die. Then, I did the quest with Ciri in which you go to the camp; during the race I found Ves and Roche walking in the forest portion of the race. I dismounted 'cos I wanted to see if I could interact with them, but that triggered the cut scene regarding the race (because you lose the race automatically). Just thought it was an interesting thing, that Ves & Roche were programmed to walk away. I don't know about programing choices, I just thought it was an interesting find to share, I think other folks might have stumbled upon this, too. Since it was at night and in the forest, I thought of them as ghost LOL
Which race are you talking about?
@@Bjjbhcoa86 maybe the one against the Bloody Baron, which you obviously can win quite easily
@@Bjjbhcoa86 i believe it's the optional horse race you can do when you're running around novigrad with ciri as she speaks to all the people who helped her out. it's in farcorners with the scoia'tel, which would be around the same time that reason of state occurs iirc
Maybe you could do White Orchard epilogue comparison for each ending? As far as I am concerned there is still no video about it on RUclips.
There is a lot to discover, whether we are talking about the dwarves encounter - you are approached by different soldiers on each ending, or there are redanian soldiers stealing livestock from peasants on Dijkstras ending, soldiers treat peasants differently on Radovid and Dijkstra ending and many more!
Questioning a small detail about the game that everyone else says must happen is pretty admirable, fantastic stuff.
A little late (But video randomly picked up in the feed): But this attitude, of not just accepting information at face value - and validating sources, is necessary. In this day and age, where mainstream media is happy to blindly copy paste information from twitter, blog sites, and more - it's rather difficult to be certain how true any information is.
With the growth of AI generative tools - when combined with a bit of photo-shop work for clean up, it's feasible to make basically any image you want in absolutely absurdly small amounts of time. And this brings us to a bit of a truth: In person, with first hand sources are kind of essential these days, and more than ever we are getting to a point where active participation may actually require us to go back to physically travelling to places in order to validate we aren't being hoodwinked.
Inspired by your videos, I let Ves die in An Eye for an Eye during my latest playthrough. Seems the Next Gen version has fixed the Reason of State cutscenes so she no longer appears! There's an nameless Temerian soldier in her place.
"Did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?" Dumbledore asked CALMLY.
Inb4 it turns out the person that started that whole 'misconception' was a dev trying to save their own asses.
4:23 Roche is spitting straight up fire!
now this is great content. i cant believe you investigated this claim that everyone else just took at face value, and then also found literally the biggest branching storylines mistake in a game famous for having impeccable management of branching storylines. like all the videos you and xlatalis do are usually "wow look at the foresight the devs had". this is the first time i've seen the devs actually make this huge a mistake, and you found it. crazy.
i feel lucky that i am here to see you channel get the fame it deserves
Now my brain's on a conspiracy theory that the devs are the ones that put out the false information in an effort to keep people from discovering the bug
The devs after watching this video , will understand what a epic game they made. Someone finding bugs after all those years. Who would have thought someone is gonna go through that story line with a ton of effort and dedication. CDPR placed the bar incredibly high.
3:33 I don't know what was up with my recent game, but in it, Ves was actually hard to save. I'd reload multiple times from the hanged man's tree, and from when Ves' health bar appeared to when I got there to help her, she usually already had most of her health depleted, and every time either she died, or I risked too much of my own health in order to kill the black ones ASAP and got killed myself. It was way harder than any other quests I've done in this playthrough where people have health bars, like Lord of Undvik or the two Skelligers that want to explore a cave full of Rotfiends and Ghouls.
cuz that's what happen when you play ot DeathMarch
So my theory is that this quest was originally designed to be doable before the isle of mist. The major difference between before and after would likely have been philipa's involvement in it. They likely changed the quest starting point and while doing so intended to change the prerequisite quests to all require completion.
Awesome work! I cannot fathom the work and organization that goes into all those partial playthroughs you have to do and keep track of.
In my playthrough Ves was kinda oneshotted xD
She just died seconds into the fight. I was playing on death march, but that can't be the reason.
i ve had that once too
Deathmarch with level scaling is exactly the reason from what I have seen. However when i did the last stage of the high stakes gwent tourney {Spoilers?}
in novigrad, sasha would one shot enemies.
Was she killed with a pike? In one of my playthroughs, one of the Nilfguardian was carrying a pike, and he one shotted her, so I reloaded and went again for the same thing to happen. I reloaded a third time, and used my crossbow to target that particular soldier successfully distracting him away from Ves. Needless to say, she lived that encounter.
I don’t mind waiting for a bit longer when it comes to videos this good. Please take your time and thank you for sharing your knowledges!
Thank you so much for all your hard work in sharing with us your discoveries. 5th Video on the channel and 16.5k subs already. You definitely deserve and in fact more. Your videos are so well-made and detailed that I refuse to acknowledge this is only your 5th video on RUclips. You sound and create like a professional. Especially when you show the baseline/original cutscenes then proceed to show the new one you discovered.
Cheers!
This may be the most interesting scenario I've seen. Huge props to you for finding this out. I know it took a long time.
It’s probably a glitch but I choose to think of Ves as a ghost who has vowed to fight along side Roche 😁
Great video, Thank you for making it ❤️
I thought of the same thing! 😜
As for Geralt's line, when he bails out at the second chance: If you find Mousesack after completing the story, Geralt will also talk to him about having to find Ciri. Another dialogue that has slipped through the cracks.
In WitcherIII quest interplay must be incredibly complex and they did an amazing job of coverage.
I always wondered if they had computer assistance with that, what their process was, or to see some of those charts they must've drawn.
I applaud you for finding this.
So crazy you've just started. Your vids are always so high quality with great information and editing
Quality content. Giving XLetalis a run for his money.
You know, the MOST ridiculous fact amongst all of this BS is that Ves walks around bare-chested even on a bloody battle field
I dont think thats Ves, its probably some npc but they forgot to put a different model, so the npc uses the Ves model.
Thank you for not rushing your videos and giving us quality content !
On next gen, Ves can now die really easily
She nearly died in my current playthrough and had a sliver of health left
Yea, the "shove forcefully," option definately went past my intentions.
When you said that replacing one word "Ves" with "someone" is going to be very important later, along with hearing the tone of Roche's voice, I thought to myself: "Oh my god. That somebody is going to be Roche himself, and he's going to shoot Geralt as a revenge for letting Ves die..."
And then the actual change was... disappointing compared to this.
Your dedication is as staggering as it is admirable. Wonderful video. Thank you for putting in the hours it took to make it! This is one of the funniest glitches I've damn seen in my life.
Fun fact you could give triss the crystal and when you talk to radovid in the assassination quest he say that the crystal was not enought despite the fact that you didn't tell him about it
YESS I’ve been waiting for this upload 😁
Damn, this was a wild amount of commitment, awesome video!
The effort you put into this is praiseworthy.. now who will edit the wiki?
3:50 in my current playthrough of the game with the Next Gen Update, this was an absolute pain, even at a full sprint she was at best at about 50% health when I arrived, took a fair few reloads to make her survive.
Agreed! I got scared she WOULD die
I failed to save Ves by accident, started looting, thought I was done, and never noticed this.
0:10 that's the reason why you should never trust Dijkstra, about anything.
About Ves, several times I had to rush and struugle to save her. In my games nilfgaard soldiers attack her everytime
"pUsH Dijstra aSiDe FoRcEfUlLy" XD
Reason of state is truely weird. I remember some blue-stripes commandos standing on top of bridge where quest took place.
Just tried this out playing on the latest next gen version (4.04) it seems to be fixed now, Ves did not appear in any of the cutscenes.
I've always understood the "I have Ciri to find" quote as Geralt not wanting to admit he already found her while she is still "on the run" from almost everyone
I've been impressed simply by the fact the devs recorded so many voice lines for the variations, insane detail
Thank you for making this, I can really see that you are passionate about this. Don't stop making these videos please...
Great video! I think it´s as harder to let Ves die as Lambert in the battle of Kaer Morhen, so you´re probably the first player to find that ending.
One question, is it possible remove Radovid from power and just then let Keira go to Novigrad (Where she gives the medical recipe to radovid and dies impaled)? Maybe a secret cutsene Geralt tells her Radovid is dead? Or maybe you can find her in novigrad in Dandelion´s bar?
I dont think so because the choice to let Keira go to novigrad is in act 1 and I think the quest fails once you sail to the isle to find ciri while reasons of state is in act 3. But maybe? 🤔
Tbh somehow i did let Ves die by an accident in my first playthrough and just found that weird that she was stanting right next to me after the assassination
@@tailsofpearls Yeah Keira has either gone to Novigrad or Kaer Morhen before Reason of State happens.
Ah, that's why I never got the assassination quest. Every single time I snapped his leg cause I just hate him.
You put a TON off effort into this.
Witcher 3 is in my top 5, so it’s super cool to see someone picking it apart.
Nice video! What I however find the most interesting is, that you said that in order to get the Reason of State quest you need to do the Redania's Most Wanted quest except the last part. I however never did that. In my two playthroughs I always just got the quest but I have never even found the hideout or did anything else at all but I still got the Reason of State quest.
Is this repaired in next-gen edition?
I really appreciate that you didn't construct artificial cliffhangers into your script. Thank you!
Design wise, it was probably easier to cut references to audio files and change dialogue references than it was to remove her model from the scenes (likely, it would have required a re-render), and that got left behind on a to-do list somewhere.
I wasn’t sure about this video format but you executed the idea so well I’ll definitely be watching the Ice Giant one next and anything else similar. Great job; no notes.
Stop calling Roche per "Roach"
his name sounds originally as "Rosh"
I'm Polish and I know how it's natively pronounced from CD Projekt RED themselves. Trust me - it was an English DUBBING MISTAKE (which is pretty major, considering that Roach is Geralt's horse. xD
17:10 what probably happened was that the functions responsible for making Ves not appear in the fight and hiding her in the cutscenes are bugged causing them to not fire but the ones replacing her lines work just fine
Amazing video, it’s mind blowing now we are still discovering new scenarios almost 7 years after release, thanks to you. I also really like the little detail of how you’re always wearing Geralt’s shades in the experimental play, and not in the control play
Broke down laughing when you crippled Djikstra for life. I never chose that option and i regret it.
I like your vids man keep going. It does not matter that your upload was some time ago a good thing needs time
easy explanation ves was just a figment of geralts imagination. shes dead but the guilt was too much to accept and his mind started hallucinating her image.
"Ciri's not the whole damn world."
mfw she literally is.
12:35 That's clearly Ves's ghost. See how she phases through Roche lol.
It's crazy how much I spoiled the game for myself and skipped quests just so radovid would live and win
I did most of these quests save for the last one. He's the only one that's gonna give the Lodge of Sorceresses what they deserve for playing everyone for their own gain
Kudos for uncovering more details about a game which I thought I knew everything about
Damn thanks. Bunch of RUclipsrs that just read the wiki and never tried. You’re an amazing youtuber.
Sounds like you aren't supposed to be able to start Reasons Of State without completing the prior quests but you managed to find the crack which led to some content that was cut during development
WOW! Massive kudos for taking what I can only assume was an INORDINATE amount of time to get to the bottom of this despite all information online being contrary to your findings.
[Shove Djikstra aside. Forcefully] is only one step removed from [Glass him]
Is that from Wolf Among Us?
Lots of people making Witcher videos but yours are something special, keep up the good work.
Ves is like "uh guys im right here.. guys!!??"
That is Ves's ghost helping Roche one last time
These videos are so interesting! Loving your content. And take all the time you need! It's worth it in the end.
I'm going with 'Ves's ghost is haunting them'...excellent catch!
Loving these videos, and I appreciate you taking the time to get the editing to your liking instead of just churning out as much quantity as possible.
Breaking Dijkstra's ankle is just a playful game of Geralt's.
Some serious dedication to scratch that proverbial itch, discovering hidden dialogue in such a diverse branching narrative game as W3. Really enjoy your content - keep up the good work sir!
My guy, you are bloody amazing. Before you there were only two dudes talking about such stuff in Witcher 3 with such attentiveness, trying those weird scenarios by themselfs. Its Tsarevich and Gwint. But they are talking about it on Russian and ya the only one i seen so far talking about that on English, i am very happy that you do what you do, english speaking The Witcher lovers should be able to find out such things.
My experience with Ves has always been difficult 😂
Even on Blood and Broken Bones, she was straddling that health bar every time. She’d get cornered and decimated every time! Had to do about 5 reloads to find the most effective route to killing the Nilfgaardians in time lol
In an eye for an eye Ves can die very easily on ng+ death march. If she's above 1/4 health when you simply get to where she is your doing well.
Great video! I like your attention to all tiny details in the dialogs and putting them side by side to compare.
“Geralt,you have to let me go,it‘s not your fault“-Ves
wow after watching this is crazy new news for a witcher 1-3 lover like me , THANK YOU for that
please keep it up
Bro, I've watched most of your videos these days, and I love how people who are passionate about this game continue to bring out the deepest secrets and details of all the work the developers put in, even years later.
I've been following XLetalis among others for a long time and the fact that another passionate guy can start a new channel and still get stuff out of the game makes me love it even more.
I love your videos, I think they are all amazingly done, probably if you make a 40 minute long one I will still enjoy it like a baby. It shows the amount of work you put into your videos, in-game hours, editing and narrative, congratulations on the progress you've made so far and good luck on the road ahead.
[Dumbledore shoved him aside, calmly]
Also, now I know what to do in my 6th run of the game. Thanks for discovering this!
You did some good play testing for Witcher 3. My assumption is that they probably overlooked some of the cutscenes where Ves should be dead and forgot to remove her. You're testing very specific use cases. Good video!
Love this content coming, you deserve all the subs you’ve been getting!
'Shove Dijkstra aside forcefully' has the same energy as 'Dumbledore asked calmly'.