CGC Is Now SUING The Reholder Scammers! They Called CUSTOMER SERVICE
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If CGC wins do they get the money in the form of grading credits?
😂😂 I like this….. it’s something they need to address for collectors.
Some of that compensation should go back to the people that were duped
Just the tip of the iceberg
You’re all being scammed by CGC.
I know you are, but what am I ? 🔥💀🔥
I had paid for books that I didn’t send in yet. I’m not sending my books. This is to much I want my money back and no way am I sending my books in at this point
From what I understand, you will immediately give up compensation rights if there is a class action lawsuit against CGC.
If he's made whole there's no reason/ grounds to sue.
If this had never been exposed by RUclipsrs, CGC would never have mentioned it themselves - hell, they probably would never have even known it was going on. They're only acting on it now because it's public knowledge and a massive damage to their reputation.
You know this as a fact… yes ?
Anyone who's been following this from the beginning knows this as a fact. @@earlybirdcomics8507
I personally believe that CGC was aware that something like this was going on for a while - and is the reason why they started scanning images of the books once they have been slabbed. But, I also believe that the community blew the doors off of this scandal which provided CGC with much more information than they had previously.
If CGC knew or didn't, no company should be trusted blindly. A HUGE thank you to the collectors that blew the doors right off!
@@johnnydropkicks this is your opinion, and should be stated as such. These are not facts is all I’m saying.
Cgc don’t care they only suing because it damaged Cgc rep
I say no more second chances for CGC. Stop giving them your business.
Imagine having 'CGC grader' on your résumé right now....
Makes you wonder if these shenanigans have been happening at CGC for the last 20 years
Make me wonder "how much" ,rather than "how long."
The "fix" is for collectors to not buy any comic that is in a current CGC slab, and not send raw books in to be graded until there is a new slab. This is a hobby. Comic book buying isn't medical care for an illness that is progressing. Collectors can easily wait until a new slab is launched and these books are re-graded and re-slabbed - which is what it's going to take to restore confidence. What urgency is there to buy a slabbed book right now? Neither the collector nor the dealer they would buy it from, can tell if a CGC book is legit at this point. Percentage wise, most slabs are okay (especially those under $100 in value) but there is a unknown percentage of CGC books that are not legitimate.. and no one can tell which ones are illegitimate. Which is why collectors should wait until the higher-value books they want are re-slabbed into the next generation slab. I know dealers won't like the idea that people should hold off - they have hundreds of thousands of dollars of comics in these suspect slabs... and they need to turn them over... so, of course, they're going to twist themselves into knots to dispute this advice - but it's sound. I feel badly for the dealers, but for the time being, collectors should just not buy slabs. BTW, I have a lot of CGC slabs.
I personally believe that CGC was aware that something like this was going on for a while - and is the reason why they started scanning images of the books once they have been slabbed. But, I also believe that the community blew the doors off of this scandal which provided CGC with much more information than they had previously.
CGC probably looked the other way on all of this, until the social media storm became too large to ignore. It was cheaper and less damaging to their brand to keep this stuff confidential (as they continue to do).
Some of these "suspects" will flee the country if they have to. Bet that is their backup plan.
Don't use "we" so much when referring to the comic book community. YOU didn't believe this was even happening at first.
Oui.
So what youre saying is a CGC GRADER cant spot a reholder comics flaws they just rubber stamp it and not check??? Interesting 😅
CGC needs to be better overall. Without the community or brotherhood, this would have gone unnoticed
THEY NEED TO FIND THE OTHER 100 PEOPLE LIKE THEM CAUSE ITS NOT JUST 1
At this stage, even CGC are sending their books to CBCS for grading.
I have several of both…blows my mind these cgc slabs were cracked and were not identified as tampered by the company and the fact these people replaced books and got mark jewelers labels and news stand added without cgc checking for inserts etc …CBCS should pounce at this opportunity to seize the market and if they don’t …PSA should get into the comic grading game because cgc has proven it isn’t any better than pgx that is constantly ridiculed about its grading etc 🤷♂️
CGC is just about money. UESLESS!!! I’ll start my own grading. Tell you what I think and make a stupid amount of money.
All big boy books nobody scamming a $200 book too much work
If that $200 book was worth $2000 two years ago, with prices still climbing at the time. It's not completely out of the question, that some lower priced keys submitted. Scammers could just as well be speculators, with eyes toward possible future profits.
idk if it’s a good idea to send books to cgc all this negativity is gonna turn people away i would imagine
How long will it be before comic link files suit? I wonder if CGC still stands by it's initial estimate of 350 tampered books? It's probably more like 3500!
Said couple submitted 2k books 😢😢😢. They must be driving lambos
Can you find out if Bree Palmer is the same as Bree Riva? (maybe got married recently) I had issues in 2018-2019 where I sent a bunch of high priced PGX books to get re-cased as CGC and I had issues with a ASM 1, and TOS 39. The person I was dealing with was Bree Palmer.
I think you should place this question on each and every CGC youtube video.. Someone is bound to know.
The OTHER lawsuit may actually give this defendant cover for some of his crimes. This guy can say the CGC employee was the one switching out the comics. It doesn't fly if you have common sense, but I bet he will try.
My wife works in the prosecutors office. Most cases are made by social media. Im shocked you're surprised, being your wife is in the same profession.
His wife looks clueless
CGC has an uphill battle with this case, although, the defendants are the masterminds behind this scheme. Ultimately it is CGCs fault for not doing their due diligence to make sure it was the same book to begin with. If it was so easy to spot the with the examples, why didn’t they the first 400 times? It’s going to be interesting to see how it unfolds. The amount of reholders alone should have been red flags one would think. Just playing devils advocate.
DJ Kalid is into comics
There's a ULISES ZANELLO on a webpage called REHOLD... which stands for Real Estate Holder.... now THAT is crazy!! He is listed as a former resident of a property in Flushing NY.
The New York Courts are going to shred these people
And what is cgc doing for the community once more?
Great video! 2 things, RUclips channels "profound effect" is actually on CGC themselves, letting RUclips viewers know what's happening with slabs. I bet if CGC knew no one else would find these things out, they would proceed much more slowly in their pursuits. 2, this guy & his wife have been active since 2016, and were only caught in 2023. Two of many, many scammers still out there, unknown,.until collectors open every one of their slabs themselves to find out. I echo my previous comment, Boycott buying and selling CGC slabs for 2 years!
How stupid do you have to be to submit books for reholdering? Also, how incompetent is CGC for not catching every single one of these. There is a major issue with CGC.
Thanks for all the info, Sticky.
Excellent work Stickygoose, very informative. I think you are right. We in the RUclips community have immense power. Now we need to move CGC's hand to improve the transparency of their product. New tamper evident case, improved quality control, matching the inner well to the case. I want to know more information about CBCS's move to make these needed changes. Without question, all my CGC submissions are on hold until they get their shit together!
I cant prove it but I'm pretty positive my book was one of the ones stolen. I submitted a perfect condition Batman Adventures #12 in July of 23. For months, we kept getting "in processing" emails from them. Finally, 2 weeks ago, they told me they lost it. Just an apology and an offer for company credit. I told them to pound sand and wanted a check. Still haven't heard back. I'm done with CGC forever.
8:45 So these goons also sold the tampered books directly to customers??? I feel like that means we're going to need to see a list of those 2000 books submitted. Not that CGC needs to receive those books and pay the affected buyers (like they were duped by the reholder), but those books could be tainted and those buyers eligible to seek damages. If nothing else it really does mean folks need to scrutinize their slabs for tampering, especially if you did business with these goons.
The worst thing is the book may have changed hands many times before some poor guy gets stuck with it, not knowing it has a page or Marvel Value Stamp missing without cracking the case open.
Why is no one talking about CGC not doing their job and regrading these books when they come in.
Great information Sticky imagine calling cgc wow.
What were you expecting…. A lot of people said that CGC would not do this…… IMO, if you don’t like CGC, don’t buy their product don’t use them, and collect without their input to your collection, it’s simple. Stop complaining about something you have the choice to use, it’s becoming boring.
Cry more.
LOL. Spoken like a 20-something proud of a couple graded comics they have.
@@shawnmichaud4484 i
I have submitted loads of books to CGC, sold a lot to happy customers, my tag is my eBay account…. Do you DD before you comment, your obviously a CGC hater. I’m not saying CGC right now are not in a good place, I’m just saying I’m bored of the same old CGC bashing rhetoric.
@@DocReasonable 😭😭😭😭howzat
@@Fin-gj2th thank you…. Spoken like a true professional. We all got choices
How long before we start seeing the lower grade swapped books showing up on eBay and cons as “swapgate” books at premium prices?
The customer service part had me cracking up as well loll. Hope all is well! Great video!
Good video Sir!!!!
Question ...so the folks that have these comic's in their possession ..Do they have to go after these fraudster's to get their money back ? or does CGC come into play ? what about ebay and other seller site's ?? just curious . GREED = STUPIDITY
An ever growing ledger. What a joke.
They are shut down on eBay looks like
Good on the community! But I still say CGC needs to take the full blame on this. They should have been checking before reholdering. They have past images of the original. They dropped the ball big time, I believe.
So what happens to the original book, the one that CGC graded say 9.8? They take the fake one back and destroy the label and block the number as counterfeit. So they person who ends up with the good book what send that back for a new label?
The buyer of the "good" book probably wasn't effected. It looks like the scammers were resubmitting the "good" book for legit grading, or selling it raw.
I understand your words - just not in that order.
@@johnnydropkicks ?????
ALL suspects in both cases are of the same hispanic/latino ethnic background I am willing to bet 1000000% they all know each other.
I wonder what the LLC is for?
An attempt to shield personal assets from lawsuits.
For devious pursuits.
"Limited Liability Corporation"
It's kind of like an "Inc." but what @roccojoco says.
@@roccojocoJust more evidence of culpability.
CGC Probably would have caught them earlier if all you “investors” and fanboys wouldn’t have been flooding their offices with new comics looking for a 9.8. You’ve brought your youth need for peacocking to the comic collecting market and effed it up
Ultimately this is still CGC fault they didnt check their work