Great video, appreciate the honest take. Having also ridden the Varg I can tell you that the throttle mapping down low drastically changes as you up the horsepower. I would highly recommend bumping it up to 55-60hp even if you don't use it all (to be a fair comparison to the 250) just so it provides the bottom end that you're looking for. Also as others have said the Varg easily weighs 30 pounds heavier and thus will require more HP to get moving out of the corners. Obviously increasing the HP isn't going to do any favors to the range but it would be interesting to give it another go.
I don't think he was interested in finding out what the bike is capable of. He was also physically spent after the first 20 minute session. Keeping it underpowered and starting with not a full charge is just begging for trouble. Seems more like a purposeful hit piece. Disappointed if I'm honest, I'd expect better
he kept it at the exact same horsepower as the 250, whats different? how did he keep it underpowered? HP is the power of a bike, so changing it to 55-60hp would then give it an unfair advantage against a 250 as the stark would be powered as a 450, it doesnt even matter anyway, even with 40hp it ran out of charge quickly and would of ran out way before 19 minutes with more power.
@ashflame6888 fan boy of what? Look at my videos, I have a 250 ktm 2 stroke that I keep west coast with the family tonride in the summer, I keep a 300 F.I. ktm here to ride a single track. I grew up on dirt bikes and love to ride. Doesn't matter if it 2 or 4 strokes, oh and yes, electric. Have you ridden an Alta or a Stark varg?? Here you are, running your ignorant mouth for nothing but troll time. If you HAD ridden either one of those, you'd know what a sham this video is. How taxed this guy is from the first 20-minute ride, and how he physically couldn't handle the second ride. Riding an Alta or Stark is the same as bringing a lightsaber to a sword fight. Same style weapon, different level. Until you ride one, you wouldn't understand. But please, by all means, troll us with our ignorant quips and demonstrate what kind of person you are. I am YOUR fan boy now
@@ashflame6888 I have the bike and I can tell you there defiantly is a acceleration change in the higher hp settings. I ride 45 for trails and 60 for track mainly because of the throttle curve.
Yeah what do you expect? He took at 118 kgs bike and detuned it to 5 hp less than a 100 kg bike ! This test was so dumb and designed to fail for the stark right from the start
Mate of mine races it in Belgium for a 12min race with heavy ruts and had to back down the last few laps because the battery was losing so much % every lap. So just what you are saying...
I rode one yesterday through the woods,prob did a mile plus and only lost 2 percent.im 260lbs so i say it did a great job.I’ve rode 250 and 450s and it’s a whole different experience but for me I absolutely loved it and the ability to lug it
Riding in the woods slowly and a pro moto rider are very different on how much load It puts on the battery. It's a bike for an average joe, an expert wouldn't want this bike for anything other than an extra toy
Well as he said that is the difference in terrain, a pro moto bike endures some brutal conditions and the disconnect of not feeling busy on the machine is a loss for me .clutching and utilizing the gears is half the fun of riding a dirt bike or any bike for that matter . Personally I feel the electric bike makes a great trail bike or tracks that are more flat with better riding conditions , so for a average rider it may be a alternative to a gas bike .
for the stark to be efficient it needs to be in the middle of its rev range. having the power slightly higher to 48hp -52hp youll most probably get better range. the slightly higher power removes the power lag in 40hp mode and gives a better delivery
not true, motors don't have a "rev range" there will be a certain RPM that the motor will be marginally more efficient at, but unless the motor is spinning at that rpm constantly it doesn't matter. the motor will be changing speed constantly while being used so setting the power higher will ALWAYS result in the battery draining quicker. P=VI the battery voltage will be constant so the only way to increase power is to drag more current and kill the battery faster. its simple physics.
i think going slower on any bike that has its power capped less than the other is to be expected... i wish you also did a comparison at closer to the same power of the other bike or else just with more power because from what i understand the Stark Varg has about double available than the 40 hp you capped it at.
Honest review ? He detuned the shit out of the varg then tells everyone it’s boring ? And lies about battery range . Nothing in this video lines up with ANY other review of the bike from any other rider or journalist . And talking about the transition of power and how the stark lags out of corners ? Total bullshit , the power is absolutely instant and is on hand at every second . And delivery doesn’t change from low speed to high . As I said nothing he said lines up with reality
So you think we are gonna believe he never rode the Vark in it's fully open 80hp state just to see? Not gonna tell us those times? He looked awfully fast for hopping a totally new invention.
Battery life on them is an issue, and fast lads like you will 100% not last a full pro moto. Mine had an update a few weeks ago that sorted the power fade, apparently the battery thought it was overheating so limited power, so make sure yours is updated if its really bad. Secondly its a fair few kilos heavier than my 250 yam, so setting it to the around the same HP you're going to be down on power to weight. I guess you're not shifting etc, so maybe its fair, but I've found 50-55hp the best setting to make the bike feel good. Anything less and it does feel too slow out of turns like you said. Hopefully v2 Starks when they're out can last a full moto with no fade, but right now this is the best electric option we have.
@@Mockle07 Wasn't too odd to be fair, but 8 seconds a lap slower is crazy. From most tests I've seen the riders have been faster on the Stark, or if they're slower its more like 2 seconds or so which makes me think the bike isnt up to date software wise and it has the issue where it limits power. (Mine did too). You probably need it set to 45/48hp to make up the power to weight of a regular 250.
@@lifewithbreak4450 Well yeah, and taking power away from a heavier bike then talking about how boring the power delivery is… no shit! It’s like doing a 250 test 4 vs 2 stroke and saying well, let’s add weight to the 2 stoke because it’s too light. I’m not pro or anti electric but a proper head to head with more power dialled in on a more neutral track (I wonder how many Honda 250Fs Jake has smashed round that track?!) would have been a bit more telling IMO.
Turns the power down so that it has a 5hp disadvantage, then complains about the lack of power 🤪. I get what you were trying to do, but maybe you should try dialing the power to where they cut the same lap times. You definitely should not feel like it has no low end power, thats where it absolutely dominates a conventional motor. I would say the power mapping probably needs some work, and dialed down that low it's super soft for beginner style riding.
This felt a little bias if I’m honest. Think it would of been best to set the stark a bit higher, judging it off the feel instead as the stark may exaggerate their figures so 40hp maybe 30? Agree with the bike been more suitable for regular punters on more hard pack tracks. However I’m sure the test would of been different if it had honda written on the side 🤔
It seems like everyone has a lot of excuses for the stark because they want to buy into the hype… take the power up, the battery life would be even worse. It’s a pro opinion that hasn’t been paid for or manipulated, yes it was against his Honda, but let’s be honest it was only to review the stark comparatively to highlight that it’s not currently ready for pro motocross (unless the races become 15 minutes long). Like the video or not, it still highlights some key issues with the current technology.
@@XCASTMediaall I know is that they went very fast from "omg who would even want one?" to uhh okay limit them to 60hp on competition because it's not fair on the 4 strokes Very fast.
@@XCASTMedia Highlights what he wanted it to, well his sponsors. You cannot have a bike and reduce it's power then test with a smaller bike. Just silly. Like comparing a 450 with restrictions to match a 250 or 125 even.
@@XCASTMediaexcuses ? It’s pretty black and white , he gave the bike a 5hp disadvantage when it weighs 18 kgs more . Isn’t that pretty obviously designed to benefit the gas bike ? And what if he set it to 50hp instead? A true = power to weight?
I have a stark, they def lack low end punch until you turn the power up closer to 50hp then you have power everywhere, I'm guessing stark will eventually update the software and allow you to adjust the power delivery, that would be amazing.
Hey dude, so i know you posted this 2 months ago but i got a question. I wanna buy a stark but im scared for the batterry life. Do you have an ig so i can compare your speed to mine to gage ride time? thanks
It was a waste of time. 1 lap then go as fast as you can to compare it to your modified regular ride, don’t know what they thought they were going to achieve.
@@ashflame6888 I didn’t say anything about range, that’s clearly an issue (that no-one else online seems to have come up against by the way…), but he still gave a heavier bike LESS power than the bike he has probably done hundreds of hours on. I’m not pro electric, that was just an odd way to do a test… but thanks for your pointless contribution 👍🏻
Odd comment, the stark’s ability to change power modes and hp is a bit simpler than restricting a 450. Plus, if you were to ride the stark in an MX2 class capping the horsepower is exactly what you would be doing. Whether the power should have been maybe 50 or 55hp, to make it more comparative to compensate for weight is up for debate, as ultimately you wouldn’t give another combustion powered bike the same leniency for being ‘heavy’. You can argue it either way all day long, regardless, the battery life is concerning and it couldn’t run a full length pro motocross race. Jake’s insight comes from years of professional racing at GP level, and is one of the few pro riders to give an unendorsed review on this thing from a pro perspective. Either way, thanks for watching 👍🏼
@@XCASTMedia the point was irrelevant to how hard it is to change horsepower on either bike. If you were to wind it's power down so drastically to race in a lower class, you would not do it on the spot, you would test and tune it for that much power. You'd also do a lot more riding to learn how to use it to advantage, not come off a bike you've ridden for years and just jump on and race. It was an unprofessional review with a narrow minded conclusion, not matter how good, experienced or knowledgable those involved are. And I suspect some bias also. Someone in the comments had more fairdunkum open minded input in a few sentences.
@@Electric666sit’s not the first time he’s ridden it, nor is it the only power output he’s ridden it at. You can dispute the lap times, the power and the amount of time he’s had on the bike, but no one can honestly say that these bikes possess the longevity at the moment to run a full pro length motocross race (even at half power). Call it narrow minded, but Jake’s feedback is probably more useful to stark than every other pro who has been paid to review it saying “it’s unbelievable”… Again, he’s not saying it’s a bad bike, just that in its current state it’s not level with the existing 4 stroke bikes on the market. 🤷🏼♂️
From the videos I’ve seen you can increase or decrease engine braking, make it power more less responsive etc etc you can tune it just how you want it.
Why run less power ? Did you run both on a dyno to compare the number match ? Great to see though even though you gave the Varg a disadvantage, no one took power off 4 strokes against a 2 stroke challenge, should have run it at what felt similar and maybe extra power would have helped battery not drain as much if that makes sense. 👍
@Runk3lsmcdougal appearantly(maybe) not.....think of it like lugging a 2 stroke in too high a gear being way harder on the engine than in the powerband. Supposedly the varg is more efficient(longer range) when it at a higher power mode with less throttle....something about resistance and amperage. Not sure if true, but he should at least try it out.
@@ScottPaulConley no it's not true, electric motors dont work like engines. more power = more battery drain. adjusting power modes simply alters how much current the motor can pull.
@@b45her source? I'm just pointing out what has been said by stark and others....about why they made an 80hp motor when you don't need it. They could be FOS, but if you're saying that, a source or explanation more complex that what you said is necessary.
100% unfair comparison. Make it fair and get some seat time on the Stark, maybe as many hours as you have on that CRF. THEN flip riding one first before the other. You just hopped off the couch and rode the Stark second .. of course you would have slower lap times 🤣🤣 the lack of low end power is due to your lack of throttle control on the Stark. As you get more time on the Stark you will learn how to control it more efficiently coming out of corners. Do another test riding the Stark first and the CRF second and compare you lap times again.
Great vlog! Like it or hate it, it’s the future! I personally (at 45) can’t ever see myself owning an electric bike? The power of petrol all the way 💪🏻
Great video! The best part was seeing how the battery performed in real usage. I'm nowhere near as fast, obviously, but the battery life is what makes me hesitant on a Stark. They say the battery is equivalent to a full tank of gas but this seems to show that that is a bit exaggerated, unless my slowness would help in that area 😂
Could you do a 20 min unlimited run for Stark ? Would it bog and fade the same as well? And would the extra power compensate ? Other riders have mentioned they adjust the power on the go to match whats needed. Interesting comparison 👌
@@b45her I don't think it's a linear connection, so unless tested it's everyones guess what will happen. Voltage drops when loosing capacity is kind of black box and this concept of choking a bike to make it more comparable is questionable. Heck the output power drop could be sorted by Stark with a software update (so it would check voltage and adapt to ir so stays at the selected mid%) and everyone would appraise it for not having a dropoff - naaaah turn it up, give it to pro, ring it out, lets see
@@AnsisCers your thinking of electric motors like combustion engines, electric motors are incredibly mechanically efficient. their power output to energy use is very linear, upping current to compensate for voltage drop is also counter productive as more current = more heat = more resistance = more voltage drop. these are the most basic of electrical principals and they aren't negated by any software or marketing blurb.
Interesting but you should try the Varg with different hp settings before critiquing it. Others have had better experiences with it at higher levels of power. Give it another go please.
Fuck those electric things that would bore me to death..imagine a gp with all electric bikes you would only go once and that would be the end of the sport Make bikes louder I say ..God didn't give me these big ears to ride whining battery powered leaf blowers .. Mega vlog as usual Jake your track looks so good 👍
@@Ozfreerider_adventures I said I'm done if the sport goes FULL electric. I'll keep riding my non ev bikes but won't be interested in watching EVs race. You're clearly the one crying because I've offended you.
Modern 250F's are incredible, fastest lap at Washougal last year was Deegan on the Yammi 250F (yes... faster than 450s). Power isnt everything if it aint usable.
TBH this test makes no sense, I understand what you were trying to do but shaving hp off to compensate for shifting, that’s a benefit of the EV. Why would you turn the power down at all? Is the power to weight ratio the same? Imagine detuning a Ferrari to 70hp because you want to compare times against a Corolla…
Don’t understand why there is so much negativity towards this honest review. He said it was good just not for racers. I have seen 2 different people roll up to race meetings now. First guy was pushing it after practice Second one managed a 2 lap practice then a 12 min race. Had to miss race 2 cause it didn’t charge enough within the gap between races. Then out for last race. And before anyone says get a bigger generator. That completely goes against the purpose in the first place.
I disagree with the way you did your test,first of all you gave the Stark only 40hp,now most new stock 250s make around 43-44hp,it was hard to see if you had an aftermarket pipe the way your vid was done you mostly see the left side of the bike on the crf 250 ,also the Stark is heavier than the crf 250 by at least a good 25 pounds,at 40hp the Stark was at a hp disadvantage 3 to 4hp or maybe more if you had a high comp piston,cams,pipe it could be 6 or 7hp,for the battery life others have said around 20- 35 minutes at 55hp,but then again it depends on the track.
Until the battery is improved to have more life and be lighter it won't be a really viable race bike for pros. I think it may be extraordinary for novices, play riders, hare scramble and enduro riders who coast a lot and rarely use more than half throttle. If a pro mx rider can get 30-40 min from a charge I am sure my old man off road speed could get maybe 3 hrs from a single charge.
That's really articulate and hype-free rider feedback and there's no question that battery life on fast or sapping tracks is a big issue. But the lap time difference here feels very spurious and is a real outlier compared to most people's experience (who more or less instantly match their petrol-engined time), so for whatever reason I don't believe the HP figures were balanced in this test. I feel like the dashboard HP on the Stark is an overestimation. A lot of owners seem to be gravitating towards 50hp (myself included, with 80-100% engine braking) which feels like a sweetspot for the bike, and gets rid of that limited, capped feel. Would love to see you try that and hear your thoughts. As a novice motocrosser, the Stark feels like an amazing training tool, with settable power way less intimidating than a petrol 450, but it still gives you the option of an adrenaline pump on the straights at the flick of a button. Anything above 60hp is just instant arm pump, with the full 80hp basically a holeshot mode.
Your track is a bit sandy but nothing compared to Lommel. I wonder what the Stark would be like in those conditions? I like this test and think it adds another view on electric bikes. The Stark does seem to divide people. The Marmite of MX. Would be great if you could carry on testing it. Maybe a weigh in of the 250f vs Stark would be good, different power outputs. Could even grad the track and ride one bike first then grade it again and try the other if that is possible. Great video keep it up 👍🏻
@motron3453 interesting, a lot of the logic from IC bikes doesn’t seem to work on electric. Do you think that the battery actually lasts longer in Sand because the rear wheel spins up easier? Is high grip the enemy of battery life? Or is ambient temperature a big factor.
A good and honest test👍🏻👍🏻motocross isn’t the same with this electric stuff,also boring to watch! U were so good on the 250f tho👍🏻keep up the good work and don’t ride that electric junk anymore 👍🏻👍🏻
Finally, a real review instead of a paid schill touting the epic grandure of technological advancement and epitome of performance Bull Schitt. Stark still can't seem to deliver for many people who are waiting on their orders for 2 years now.
You are comparing a 40hp against a modify 250f??? First a 250 has more than 40hp and your pipe and engine you have much more. Also you know your personnal bike better. I like more 450 bikes, and when i tried the varg, 40hp, didn't liked it. 46 hp was ok, 50hp too much. So i think 48hp should work well. Of course the battery will drain quicker, but for average rider, battery and performance should be ok. Pro riders, battery life not enough
Why would you turn down the power on an electric bike to match the power of a 250? that’s like racing a Ferrari and a Porsche turning down the engine horsepower of Ferrari smh. This is a stupid test you can’t the electric bikeI that the gas one feels better. I feel like I’m watching the test they did with the Tesla back in the day lying about its capabilities.
Because if you wanted to race the stark in the smaller MX2 class you would have to restrict it and lock its output for the duration of a race day. The stark has the luxury of being able to set its output accordingly to match the class that you would race it in, so when comparing it to an MX2 bike, it makes sense to set its horsepower to that of an MX2 bike… Naturally the video was a ‘shoot-out’, but really it just draws attention to the pros and cons of the Stark in its current state. Whether you agree with the way in which the test was conducted or not; there are still some obvious drawbacks, it’s rare that the first version of anything is spot on, so if I were stark I would take the feedback onboard and use it to help develop the bike further.
Great insights & one of the better mx / gas comparisons I've seen. Surprised at the lack of power off the bottom on the Stark, & I wonder if you can modify the map to move the power band? Maybe there's a Stark test/development gig on the cards in the future!😂👍
@@jakenicholls i can kind of understand wanting to do that, but keeping them at the same HP to me just makes more sense. . nether the less thx for the content
You brought up a fantastic point that no one else has mentioned; like how much wheel speed is picked up going over the rollers and such. No one has mentioned it and I never even thought about it, but now that you mentioned it I could see that being very unusual and maybe even problematic 🤔
Perfect antidote to the hype, bikes slow and boring. Cant last 20min at old man pace 🤣. The ruts in them jumps heading into the woods looked terrifying 😬🤣 Get the Stark updated and fully charged, turn it up as high as you like and see if you can get anywhere the 1 lap pace of the little 250 🙏👍
Alex Martin was faster on a stark after half hour on the bike over his 350 . And nearly every other rider who’s jumped on one has been quicker than on their 450s . So calm down a bit….. and I’d they boring why does 99% of people get off with a smile ear to ear saying how fun they are ?
This guy is 100% full of shit I’d he’s saying the varg is 8 seconds slower a lap . This is propaganda and I’d be guessing g this guy has as financial i interest in seeing stark fail . His review doesn’t line up with the general consensus of the bikes . Not even close which makes me smell bullshit
@@jakenicholls seems that to not enjoy that bike it’s because you don’t wanna like it . Literally the first video of about 100 I’ve watched where someone said it was boring . Seems very odd
Stark Varg is unimpressive at 40 hp. It has to do not with the max power but with the throttle response. This is a tuning matter. Try 50 hp. I also was unimpressed with the Alta my first time after riding it in the woods. It was only after I tried power-sliding that I understood how much control I have over the available power.
they can push these piles of shi7 as much as they want and i care not about how good they become, i f'in hate them and the whole concept, this isn't anything like 2t v 4t back in the day either for those who keep saying it.
Well let’s see how they go in competition. Based on this test, they will all be last in the 250 class. Very subjective, guessing power setting, throttle mapping etc.
From the very beginning of the video you can tell that you have a bias against the electric bikes. Can't take your opinion on it seriously. Your data/input also doesn't line up with literally any other review or test of the bike. Plus why not try it at higher power?? You can adjust the settings for more bottom end but you didn't even try that. And you are comparing these with a lot of practice on the 4-stroke but NO practice on the Varg? And you think that's a fair comparison? PS. Stark Varg just took 1st place at Arenacross in Manchester so to say it's boring, slow, etc. (As you said) is not accurate at all.
Will give it an update, put the power up to 50hp and try again sir! Can’t help I didn’t enjoy it! And winning a AX vs performing around my track is a hilarious comparison. I wanted to test them b2b with same HP.
We all sucked at the start trust me at 31 I have 26yrs of seat time I sucked for the first 10yrs.it comes with time you stop thinking start flowing stay with it bud. best advice I can give is find a flat track do slow speed figure of 8 on friction point as you stand up don't sit down and do it get comfortable with what revs work and don't.time,effort,blood,sweat tears broken bones broken parts empty wallets if the shit was easy everyone would do it.
..finally one honest rewiev. Thank You Sir. Boring, yes exactly, that thing is boring. But people are living so boring lives, so it fits. Les maintenance, no wrenching, more playing with screen, shorter motos.. easy, easier, make it for them softest possible. No, sorry, Boys will not be part of this stupidity. Enjoy, girls
Not really a fair test or comments. Firstly you came off warming yup and tiring yourself on a bike you know well, perhaps a day on the Varg, then a warm up and ride on it and you'd have seen different results. And you are getting a faster bike, retarding it, then comparing it to another bike. How about head to head with 60+ horsepower on the Varg Vs the 4fiddy. And they will in MX unless power is retarded excessively. But they probably will, anything to keep the petrol brand sponsors money coming in. But even then, I'm guessing they'l be competitive. You were what, under 4% slower on a bike you aren't used to riding, lets be fair aye.
Wow, great video and riding Jake. I'm a fan from the US and an amazed at how a GP racer rides a local track. You are AWESOME, bro. 💪🏻😎🤩💪🏽 I could you're skilled and fast but you're also STRONG AS 😳
The bike was way too detuned. And no tuning of the suspension settings. Should have went for 48-52 hp. Also should have started with a fully charged battery.
So in order for the bike to be competitive with a 250 it needs a much higher output? Equivalent power of a 350/450? Also, the battery was fully charged, before we even pulled it out it was at 96%, he did one sighting lap and it had dropped down to 87%, 19 minutes later, 15%. Say what you want, the battery life is concerning and if it takes more power for it to be comparable, then the battery life will be even worse…
It's impressive what batteries and electric motors can do but I can't see how it could ever be the way forward. There's soooo many pro's and cons to both but new fuels for the internalm combustion engine is where it's at! They're boring to watch too ✌
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Great video, appreciate the honest take. Having also ridden the Varg I can tell you that the throttle mapping down low drastically changes as you up the horsepower. I would highly recommend bumping it up to 55-60hp even if you don't use it all (to be a fair comparison to the 250) just so it provides the bottom end that you're looking for. Also as others have said the Varg easily weighs 30 pounds heavier and thus will require more HP to get moving out of the corners. Obviously increasing the HP isn't going to do any favors to the range but it would be interesting to give it another go.
I don't think he was interested in finding out what the bike is capable of. He was also physically spent after the first 20 minute session. Keeping it underpowered and starting with not a full charge is just begging for trouble. Seems more like a purposeful hit piece. Disappointed if I'm honest, I'd expect better
he kept it at the exact same horsepower as the 250, whats different? how did he keep it underpowered? HP is the power of a bike, so changing it to 55-60hp would then give it an unfair advantage against a 250 as the stark would be powered as a 450, it doesnt even matter anyway, even with 40hp it ran out of charge quickly and would of ran out way before 19 minutes with more power.
@@watchornot3691 LOL look at you two fanboys who cant accept the truth.....
@ashflame6888 fan boy of what? Look at my videos, I have a 250 ktm 2 stroke that I keep west coast with the family tonride in the summer, I keep a 300 F.I. ktm here to ride a single track. I grew up on dirt bikes and love to ride. Doesn't matter if it 2 or 4 strokes, oh and yes, electric. Have you ridden an Alta or a Stark varg?? Here you are, running your ignorant mouth for nothing but troll time. If you HAD ridden either one of those, you'd know what a sham this video is. How taxed this guy is from the first 20-minute ride, and how he physically couldn't handle the second ride. Riding an Alta or Stark is the same as bringing a lightsaber to a sword fight. Same style weapon, different level. Until you ride one, you wouldn't understand. But please, by all means, troll us with our ignorant quips and demonstrate what kind of person you are. I am YOUR fan boy now
@@ashflame6888 I have the bike and I can tell you there defiantly is a acceleration change in the higher hp settings. I ride 45 for trails and 60 for track mainly because of the throttle curve.
This is the first review iv seen that isn’t all unicorns and rainbows
Yeah what do you expect? He took at 118 kgs bike and detuned it to 5 hp less than a 100 kg bike ! This test was so dumb and designed to fail for the stark right from the start
Mate of mine races it in Belgium for a 12min race with heavy ruts and had to back down the last few laps because the battery was losing so much % every lap. So just what you are saying...
How come it was set to 40 hp 1/2 power? You can ride why wouldn't they want you to ride it at 80 hp.
I rode one yesterday through the woods,prob did a mile plus and only lost 2 percent.im 260lbs so i say it did a great job.I’ve rode 250 and 450s and it’s a whole different experience but for me I absolutely loved it and the ability to lug it
Riding in the woods slowly and a pro moto rider are very different on how much load It puts on the battery. It's a bike for an average joe, an expert wouldn't want this bike for anything other than an extra toy
Its not for everyone but great for some@@northcountrywoodcraftny5953
Well as he said that is the difference in terrain, a pro moto bike endures some brutal conditions and the disconnect of not feeling busy on the machine is a loss for me .clutching and utilizing the gears is half the fun of riding a dirt bike or any bike for that matter . Personally I feel the electric bike makes a great trail bike or tracks that are more flat with better riding conditions , so for a average rider it may be a alternative to a gas bike .
for the stark to be efficient it needs to be in the middle of its rev range. having the power slightly higher to 48hp -52hp youll most probably get better range. the slightly higher power removes the power lag in 40hp mode and gives a better delivery
Thank you that’s good to know for next time
not true, motors don't have a "rev range" there will be a certain RPM that the motor will be marginally more efficient at, but unless the motor is spinning at that rpm constantly it doesn't matter. the motor will be changing speed constantly while being used so setting the power higher will ALWAYS result in the battery draining quicker. P=VI the battery voltage will be constant so the only way to increase power is to drag more current and kill the battery faster. its simple physics.
i think going slower on any bike that has its power capped less than the other is to be expected... i wish you also did a comparison at closer to the same power of the other bike or else just with more power because from what i understand the Stark Varg has about double available than the 40 hp you capped it at.
Yeah, totally staged review IMO.
"Cash envelope please".
@Electric666s bahahaha, the only unbiased unpaid for review on here.
Yeah adding more Horsepower will DEFINITELY make the run time longer dude, you figured it out
Finally a honest review 👏 🙌
Thankyou.
Honest review ? He detuned the shit out of the varg then tells everyone it’s boring ? And lies about battery range . Nothing in this video lines up with ANY other review of the bike from any other rider or journalist . And talking about the transition of power and how the stark lags out of corners ? Total bullshit , the power is absolutely instant and is on hand at every second . And delivery doesn’t change from low speed to high . As I said nothing he said lines up with reality
You need to go on Tommy and Ed’s podcast! Talk all mxgp and tech! Be so interesting! Great vid btw!
Can you de power your 3
250f to a 125. And then compare to a 125
So you think we are gonna believe he never rode the Vark in it's fully open 80hp state just to see? Not gonna tell us those times? He looked awfully fast for hopping a totally new invention.
Battery life on them is an issue, and fast lads like you will 100% not last a full pro moto. Mine had an update a few weeks ago that sorted the power fade, apparently the battery thought it was overheating so limited power, so make sure yours is updated if its really bad. Secondly its a fair few kilos heavier than my 250 yam, so setting it to the around the same HP you're going to be down on power to weight. I guess you're not shifting etc, so maybe its fair, but I've found 50-55hp the best setting to make the bike feel good. Anything less and it does feel too slow out of turns like you said. Hopefully v2 Starks when they're out can last a full moto with no fade, but right now this is the best electric option we have.
Yeah that seemed like a very odd way to do a test.
@@Mockle07 Wasn't too odd to be fair, but 8 seconds a lap slower is crazy. From most tests I've seen the riders have been faster on the Stark, or if they're slower its more like 2 seconds or so which makes me think the bike isnt up to date software wise and it has the issue where it limits power. (Mine did too). You probably need it set to 45/48hp to make up the power to weight of a regular 250.
@@lifewithbreak4450 Well yeah, and taking power away from a heavier bike then talking about how boring the power delivery is… no shit!
It’s like doing a 250 test 4 vs 2 stroke and saying well, let’s add weight to the 2 stoke because it’s too light.
I’m not pro or anti electric but a proper head to head with more power dialled in on a more neutral track (I wonder how many Honda 250Fs Jake has smashed round that track?!) would have been a bit more telling IMO.
250 two stroke puts out more power than 250f @@Mockle07
@@jameshibberd8077 I know mate, it was just an analogy: limiting one bike for no particular reason.
Turns the power down so that it has a 5hp disadvantage, then complains about the lack of power 🤪. I get what you were trying to do, but maybe you should try dialing the power to where they cut the same lap times. You definitely should not feel like it has no low end power, thats where it absolutely dominates a conventional motor. I would say the power mapping probably needs some work, and dialed down that low it's super soft for beginner style riding.
This felt a little bias if I’m honest. Think it would of been best to set the stark a bit higher, judging it off the feel instead as the stark may exaggerate their figures so 40hp maybe 30? Agree with the bike been more suitable for regular punters on more hard pack tracks. However I’m sure the test would of been different if it had honda written on the side 🤔
It seems like everyone has a lot of excuses for the stark because they want to buy into the hype… take the power up, the battery life would be even worse.
It’s a pro opinion that hasn’t been paid for or manipulated, yes it was against his Honda, but let’s be honest it was only to review the stark comparatively to highlight that it’s not currently ready for pro motocross (unless the races become 15 minutes long).
Like the video or not, it still highlights some key issues with the current technology.
I agree. It feels extremely biased and I am not even an EV fan.
@@XCASTMediaall I know is that they went very fast from "omg who would even want one?" to uhh okay limit them to 60hp on competition because it's not fair on the 4 strokes Very fast.
@@XCASTMedia Highlights what he wanted it to, well his sponsors. You cannot have a bike and reduce it's power then test with a smaller bike. Just silly. Like comparing a 450 with restrictions to match a 250 or 125 even.
@@XCASTMediaexcuses ? It’s pretty black and white , he gave the bike a 5hp disadvantage when it weighs 18 kgs more . Isn’t that pretty obviously designed to benefit the gas bike ? And what if he set it to 50hp instead? A true = power to weight?
I have a stark, they def lack low end punch until you turn the power up closer to 50hp then you have power everywhere, I'm guessing stark will eventually update the software and allow you to adjust the power delivery, that would be amazing.
Hey dude, so i know you posted this 2 months ago but i got a question. I wanna buy a stark but im scared for the batterry life. Do you have an ig so i can compare your speed to mine to gage ride time? thanks
Well that was a really weird way to do a test 😂
It was a waste of time. 1 lap then go as fast as you can to compare it to your modified regular ride, don’t know what they thought they were going to achieve.
@@weekendveterans And let’s give it less power even though at weighs more than the Honda…
@@Mockle07 And it STILL ran out of battery and power....... Your argument is braindead.
@@ashflame6888 I didn’t say anything about range, that’s clearly an issue (that no-one else online seems to have come up against by the way…), but he still gave a heavier bike LESS power than the bike he has probably done hundreds of hours on. I’m not pro electric, that was just an odd way to do a test… but thanks for your pointless contribution 👍🏻
@@Mockle07 The power was MATCHED braindead..... If the stupid POS is heavier then whos fucking fault is that?
how long are the vargs on backorder for
You can get one delivered in 3 weeks. Hit me up if interested
they aren't there are a few dealers with stock.
You don’t need a dealer - I can put you in contact with Stark direct and they’ll get one delivered to your door in 3 weeks
Might as well put a throttle stop on a 450 or a restrictor on pipe or intake so it has same power, then compare to a 250. Sound silly right, it is.
Odd comment, the stark’s ability to change power modes and hp is a bit simpler than restricting a 450.
Plus, if you were to ride the stark in an MX2 class capping the horsepower is exactly what you would be doing.
Whether the power should have been maybe 50 or 55hp, to make it more comparative to compensate for weight is up for debate, as ultimately you wouldn’t give another combustion powered bike the same leniency for being ‘heavy’.
You can argue it either way all day long, regardless, the battery life is concerning and it couldn’t run a full length pro motocross race. Jake’s insight comes from years of professional racing at GP level, and is one of the few pro riders to give an unendorsed review on this thing from a pro perspective.
Either way, thanks for watching 👍🏼
@@XCASTMedia the point was irrelevant to how hard it is to change horsepower on either bike.
If you were to wind it's power down so drastically to race in a lower class, you would not do it on the spot, you would test and tune it for that much power. You'd also do a lot more riding to learn how to use it to advantage, not come off a bike you've ridden for years and just jump on and race. It was an unprofessional review with a narrow minded conclusion, not matter how good, experienced or knowledgable those involved are. And I suspect some bias also. Someone in the comments had more fairdunkum open minded input in a few sentences.
@@Electric666sit’s not the first time he’s ridden it, nor is it the only power output he’s ridden it at.
You can dispute the lap times, the power and the amount of time he’s had on the bike, but no one can honestly say that these bikes possess the longevity at the moment to run a full pro length motocross race (even at half power).
Call it narrow minded, but Jake’s feedback is probably more useful to stark than every other pro who has been paid to review it saying “it’s unbelievable”…
Again, he’s not saying it’s a bad bike, just that in its current state it’s not level with the existing 4 stroke bikes on the market. 🤷🏼♂️
Would be interesting how it would do after you learnt how to use the phone on the handlebars to move the power around.
Enlighten me, can you make it have more power down low? Or just throw more HP?
From the videos I’ve seen you can increase or decrease engine braking, make it power more less responsive etc etc you can tune it just how you want it.
@@jakenicholls You can do an incredible amount of stuff. Change whole power curve.
@@Electric666s nope, they were just claims stark didn't honour. simple power and regen settings is all you get.
@@b45her and flywheel effect and traction control. And updates.
Def need to turn up the HP 40 is not enough for a track, I’ve found 46-50 great and 55 for more demanding tracks
Why run less power ? Did you run both on a dyno to compare the number match ? Great to see though even though you gave the Varg a disadvantage, no one took power off 4 strokes against a 2 stroke challenge, should have run it at what felt similar and maybe extra power would have helped battery not drain as much if that makes sense. 👍
It would of lasted even less time lol. Having zero gear changes is a pretty big advantage
@Runk3lsmcdougal appearantly(maybe) not.....think of it like lugging a 2 stroke in too high a gear being way harder on the engine than in the powerband. Supposedly the varg is more efficient(longer range) when it at a higher power mode with less throttle....something about resistance and amperage. Not sure if true, but he should at least try it out.
@@ScottPaulConley honestly would of rather had him run what ever power level he preferred whatever that would be
@@ScottPaulConley no it's not true, electric motors dont work like engines. more power = more battery drain. adjusting power modes simply alters how much current the motor can pull.
@@b45her source? I'm just pointing out what has been said by stark and others....about why they made an 80hp motor when you don't need it. They could be FOS, but if you're saying that, a source or explanation more complex that what you said is necessary.
100% unfair comparison. Make it fair and get some seat time on the Stark, maybe as many hours as you have on that CRF. THEN flip riding one first before the other. You just hopped off the couch and rode the Stark second .. of course you would have slower lap times 🤣🤣 the lack of low end power is due to your lack of throttle control on the Stark. As you get more time on the Stark you will learn how to control it more efficiently coming out of corners. Do another test riding the Stark first and the CRF second and compare you lap times again.
Pro riders DO NOT need to do this and you are braindead and lying to yourself
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That doesn’t even mention that this is like corking up a 450 to be the same hp as a 250 and expecting it to keep up…
Test was set up to fail . This is a hit piece on the varg , it doesn’t line up with what ANYONE else says about the bike . And he set power so low
@@Ozfreerider_adventurescan you link me to the another review from a professional ex GP rider please
Great vlog! Like it or hate it, it’s the future! I personally (at 45) can’t ever see myself owning an electric bike? The power of petrol all the way 💪🏻
set to monster mode?
Great video! The best part was seeing how the battery performed in real usage. I'm nowhere near as fast, obviously, but the battery life is what makes me hesitant on a Stark. They say the battery is equivalent to a full tank of gas but this seems to show that that is a bit exaggerated, unless my slowness would help in that area 😂
Could you do a 20 min unlimited run for Stark ? Would it bog and fade the same as well? And would the extra power compensate ? Other riders have mentioned they adjust the power on the go to match whats needed. Interesting comparison 👌
at full power it wouldn't get near 20 mins if it cant run 20 at 40hp, it would almost certainly overheat with a pro on it at race speeds.
@@b45her I don't think it's a linear connection, so unless tested it's everyones guess what will happen. Voltage drops when loosing capacity is kind of black box and this concept of choking a bike to make it more comparable is questionable. Heck the output power drop could be sorted by Stark with a software update (so it would check voltage and adapt to ir so stays at the selected mid%) and everyone would appraise it for not having a dropoff - naaaah turn it up, give it to pro, ring it out, lets see
@@AnsisCers your thinking of electric motors like combustion engines, electric motors are incredibly mechanically efficient. their power output to energy use is very linear, upping current to compensate for voltage drop is also counter productive as more current = more heat = more resistance = more voltage drop. these are the most basic of electrical principals and they aren't negated by any software or marketing blurb.
This was an awesome vlog. Be interesting to see what the old foxhills bike would do for comparison
Definitely buying a Stark Varq
Interesting but you should try the Varg with different hp settings before critiquing it. Others have had better experiences with it at higher levels of power. Give it another go please.
Fuck those electric things that would bore me to death..imagine a gp with all electric bikes you would only go once and that would be the end of the sport
Make bikes louder I say ..God didn't give me these big ears to ride whining battery powered leaf blowers ..
Mega vlog as usual Jake your track looks so good 👍
Funny how all of your criticisms are all not from a riders perspective. Because they shit on gas bikes in every aspect . This video is propaganda.
Make bikes louder and there will be no place to ride.
Yup, I would be done with the sport if it ever went full r-t-rd, oops I mean EV.
@@MatthewC137 wow you must t be too much of a fan of riding if you’re going to cry about e bikes and quit
@@Ozfreerider_adventures I said I'm done if the sport goes FULL electric. I'll keep riding my non ev bikes but won't be interested in watching EVs race. You're clearly the one crying because I've offended you.
Man that track is super dope, where is this?????
Perhaps a better comparo would be the Varg at near full power vs a 450.
Makes the Stark several hp less than the 250f then complains about it not having enough power. 🤨
Monicca be havin more camera angles than ESPN n shit
Modern 250F's are incredible, fastest lap at Washougal last year was Deegan on the Yammi 250F (yes... faster than 450s).
Power isnt everything if it aint usable.
What lap times are Tommy romain etc. doing ?
TBH this test makes no sense, I understand what you were trying to do but shaving hp off to compensate for shifting, that’s a benefit of the EV. Why would you turn the power down at all? Is the power to weight ratio the same? Imagine detuning a Ferrari to 70hp because you want to compare times against a Corolla…
Yeah it’s retarted . This test was a designed hit piece on the varg . He wanted to not like it from the beginning which is obvious
Don’t understand why there is so much negativity towards this honest review.
He said it was good just not for racers.
I have seen 2 different people roll up to race meetings now.
First guy was pushing it after practice
Second one managed a 2 lap practice then a 12 min race. Had to miss race 2 cause it didn’t charge enough within the gap between races. Then out for last race. And before anyone says get a bigger generator. That completely goes against the purpose in the first place.
I sudgest he doesnt use that bike in his races then. Sell it to someone else.
awesome rider ,wow
I disagree with the way you did your test,first of all you gave the Stark only 40hp,now most new stock 250s make around 43-44hp,it was hard to see if you had an aftermarket pipe the way your vid was done you mostly see the left side of the bike on the crf 250 ,also the Stark is heavier than the crf 250 by at least a good 25 pounds,at 40hp the Stark was at a hp disadvantage 3 to 4hp or maybe more if you had a high comp piston,cams,pipe it could be 6 or 7hp,for the battery life others have said around 20- 35 minutes at 55hp,but then again it depends on the track.
Until the battery is improved to have more life and be lighter it won't be a really viable race bike for pros. I think it may be extraordinary for novices, play riders, hare scramble and enduro riders who coast a lot and rarely use more than half throttle. If a pro mx rider can get 30-40 min from a charge I am sure my old man off road speed could get maybe 3 hrs from a single charge.
You mentioned enduro, I just watched Eddie Karlsson GO Pro Hard Enduro Estonia - ruclips.net/video/iE-_j57DuPo/видео.html&ab_channel=EddieKarlsson
Awesome comparison, bring on hawkstone 💪🏼. Top 5 finish at the international easy! 🤟🏽😎
Great vlog. Be interesting to see lap times and battery life after a 20 min moto on the setting you find you get the best out of the bike.
looks like it would not make 20mins there!
Honda CRF250R all day m8
Really enjoy you on the 250 Honda
You should get Tommy S over for a crf250r race.
Is booth bikes in original setup. Howe much engin breaking did you use.
That's really articulate and hype-free rider feedback and there's no question that battery life on fast or sapping tracks is a big issue. But the lap time difference here feels very spurious and is a real outlier compared to most people's experience (who more or less instantly match their petrol-engined time), so for whatever reason I don't believe the HP figures were balanced in this test. I feel like the dashboard HP on the Stark is an overestimation.
A lot of owners seem to be gravitating towards 50hp (myself included, with 80-100% engine braking) which feels like a sweetspot for the bike, and gets rid of that limited, capped feel. Would love to see you try that and hear your thoughts. As a novice motocrosser, the Stark feels like an amazing training tool, with settable power way less intimidating than a petrol 450, but it still gives you the option of an adrenaline pump on the straights at the flick of a button. Anything above 60hp is just instant arm pump, with the full 80hp basically a holeshot mode.
Great video Jake best mx channel on RUclips keep them coming boys. Bio fuel has to be the answer for motorsport surely?!
Or everyone could tell the conning political elites to go f##k themselves and carry on using petrol like the majority of the world 😂
Well done Jake, personally I found that very interesting and informative. Raises and answers many questions!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Jesus mate dinosaur at 33! Now I feel really old!
NICE V IDEO JN
Your track is a bit sandy but nothing compared to Lommel. I wonder what the Stark would be like in those conditions? I like this test and think it adds another view on electric bikes. The Stark does seem to divide people. The Marmite of MX. Would be great if you could carry on testing it. Maybe a weigh in of the 250f vs Stark would be good, different power outputs. Could even grad the track and ride one bike first then grade it again and try the other if that is possible. Great video keep it up 👍🏻
@motron3453 interesting, a lot of the logic from IC bikes doesn’t seem to work on electric. Do you think that the battery actually lasts longer in Sand because the rear wheel spins up easier? Is high grip the enemy of battery life? Or is ambient temperature a big factor.
Your not sold on these E bikes then Jake , arnt varg on with an update at the minute tho .
A good and honest test👍🏻👍🏻motocross isn’t the same with this electric stuff,also boring to watch! U were so good on the 250f tho👍🏻keep up the good work and don’t ride that electric junk anymore 👍🏻👍🏻
muy inteligente análisis
Power to weight ratio could be a fair bit different at 40hp i would guess without looking it up.
Why would you compensate for gearchange?!?!?! What is the point of that????
Have you never noticed that when you change gear the bike isn’t driving forward
Finally, a real review instead of a paid schill touting the epic grandure of technological advancement and epitome of performance Bull Schitt. Stark still can't seem to deliver for many people who are waiting on their orders for 2 years now.
You are comparing a 40hp against a modify 250f??? First a 250 has more than 40hp and your pipe and engine you have much more. Also you know your personnal bike better.
I like more 450 bikes, and when i tried the varg, 40hp, didn't liked it. 46 hp was ok, 50hp too much. So i think 48hp should work well.
Of course the battery will drain quicker, but for average rider, battery and performance should be ok. Pro riders, battery life not enough
Set it to 80hp and say it boring. Mine got 30 mins in a deep sand track whith a A grader riding it.
I'm getting 7 to 10 mins out of mine on a deep sand track, it thermal limits, the bike suxs, what's the point
Why would you turn down the power on an electric bike to match the power of a 250? that’s like racing a Ferrari and a Porsche turning down the engine horsepower of Ferrari smh. This is a stupid test you can’t the electric bikeI that the gas one feels better. I feel like I’m watching the test they did with the Tesla back in the day lying about its capabilities.
Because if you wanted to race the stark in the smaller MX2 class you would have to restrict it and lock its output for the duration of a race day.
The stark has the luxury of being able to set its output accordingly to match the class that you would race it in, so when comparing it to an MX2 bike, it makes sense to set its horsepower to that of an MX2 bike…
Naturally the video was a ‘shoot-out’, but really it just draws attention to the pros and cons of the Stark in its current state.
Whether you agree with the way in which the test was conducted or not; there are still some obvious drawbacks, it’s rare that the first version of anything is spot on, so if I were stark I would take the feedback onboard and use it to help develop the bike further.
Shouldnt this bike be up against a 450?
Great insights & one of the better mx / gas comparisons I've seen. Surprised at the lack of power off the bottom on the Stark, & I wonder if you can modify the map to move the power band? Maybe there's a Stark test/development gig on the cards in the future!😂👍
It was set up below what anyone would run it at power wise. And you can change the power curve and many other things.
The weight is a lot more than an 250, from 45hp the stark feels more alive. Great to see you ride 💪
But then it would last even less
What a crap test!!! Also fyi it has 691 ft lbs of torque
Feels sluggish. No one has said that yet!!
Cheers mate, wanted to b2b them on the same hp. Appreciate the comment 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@jakenicholls i can kind of understand wanting to do that, but keeping them at the same HP to me just makes more sense. . nether the less thx for the content
@@spidartanks THATS LITERALLY WHAT HE FUCKING SAID.... JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE TURN ON YOUR FUCKING BRAINS
You brought up a fantastic point that no one else has mentioned; like how much wheel speed is picked up going over the rollers and such. No one has mentioned it and I never even thought about it, but now that you mentioned it I could see that being very unusual and maybe even problematic 🤔
Jake china, first time I seen you, but good for me to hear. Think I go for a gas Bonnie, being ex-125 high-school mx Syringa Spa SA. Shit boet 🎉
The truth: that CR will still be running in a few years.
The Varg will be an expensive paperweight.
Well explained.
Bike is heavier by a significant amount why would you make it less hp if anything you’d make it a little more to compensate for the weight.
An unbiased review would have gotten a new sub.
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Perfect antidote to the hype, bikes slow and boring. Cant last 20min at old man pace 🤣. The ruts in them jumps heading into the woods looked terrifying 😬🤣 Get the Stark updated and fully charged, turn it up as high as you like and see if you can get anywhere the 1 lap pace of the little 250 🙏👍
Alex Martin was faster on a stark after half hour on the bike over his 350 . And nearly every other rider who’s jumped on one has been quicker than on their 450s . So calm down a bit….. and I’d they boring why does 99% of people get off with a smile ear to ear saying how fun they are ?
This guy is 100% full of shit I’d he’s saying the varg is 8 seconds slower a lap . This is propaganda and I’d be guessing g this guy has as financial i interest in seeing stark fail . His review doesn’t line up with the general consensus of the bikes . Not even close which makes me smell bullshit
@@Ozfreerider_adventuresWill give it an update, put the power up to 50hp and try again sir! Can’t help I didn’t enjoy it!
@@jakenicholls seems that to not enjoy that bike it’s because you don’t wanna like it . Literally the first video of about 100 I’ve watched where someone said it was boring . Seems very odd
We are all different though aren’t we?! I didn’t enjoy it. Sorry
People actually believe EVs are going to save tracks from closing 😂 how many dreams have people bought into that never lead to what was sold
Thanks for sharing your honest opinion, for me the way it sounds it would feel like I was riding a toy 😅
(heavy toy!)
Is your dirt bike not a toy?
Brilliant Vlog informant and illuminating.
Stark Varg is unimpressive at 40 hp. It has to do not with the max power but with the throttle response. This is a tuning matter. Try 50 hp.
I also was unimpressed with the Alta my first time after riding it in the woods. It was only after I tried power-sliding that I understood how much control I have over the available power.
Boring is right, no one is going to want to watch a field of these bikes race.
Great review
NOT!
😂😂😂
they can push these piles of shi7 as much as they want and i care not about how good they become, i f'in hate them and the whole concept, this isn't anything like 2t v 4t back in the day either for those who keep saying it.
Finally someone telling the truth !! VArg is boring as !!!!
Well let’s see how they go in competition. Based on this test, they will all be last in the 250 class.
Very subjective, guessing power setting, throttle mapping etc.
From the very beginning of the video you can tell that you have a bias against the electric bikes. Can't take your opinion on it seriously. Your data/input also doesn't line up with literally any other review or test of the bike.
Plus why not try it at higher power?? You can adjust the settings for more bottom end but you didn't even try that.
And you are comparing these with a lot of practice on the 4-stroke but NO practice on the Varg? And you think that's a fair comparison?
PS. Stark Varg just took 1st place at Arenacross in Manchester so to say it's boring, slow, etc. (As you said) is not accurate at all.
Will give it an update, put the power up to 50hp and try again sir! Can’t help I didn’t enjoy it! And winning a AX vs performing around my track is a hilarious comparison. I wanted to test them b2b with same HP.
Travisknob he was riding a 4 stroke not a 2 stroke please pay attention , what is it with you kids ??????
id kill to not have a clutch. i keep stalling!!! XD
We all sucked at the start trust me at 31 I have 26yrs of seat time I sucked for the first 10yrs.it comes with time you stop thinking start flowing stay with it bud. best advice I can give is find a flat track do slow speed figure of 8 on friction point as you stand up don't sit down and do it get comfortable with what revs work and don't.time,effort,blood,sweat tears broken bones broken parts empty wallets if the shit was easy everyone would do it.
..finally one honest rewiev. Thank You Sir. Boring, yes exactly, that thing is boring. But people are living so boring lives, so it fits. Les maintenance, no wrenching, more playing with screen, shorter motos.. easy, easier, make it for them softest possible. No, sorry, Boys will not be part of this stupidity. Enjoy, girls
Not really a fair test or comments. Firstly you came off warming yup and tiring yourself on a bike you know well, perhaps a day on the Varg, then a warm up and ride on it and you'd have seen different results. And you are getting a faster bike, retarding it, then comparing it to another bike. How about head to head with 60+ horsepower on the Varg Vs the 4fiddy. And they will in MX unless power is retarded excessively. But they probably will, anything to keep the petrol brand sponsors money coming in. But even then, I'm guessing they'l be competitive. You were what, under 4% slower on a bike you aren't used to riding, lets be fair aye.
Wow, great video and riding Jake. I'm a fan from the US and an amazed at how a GP racer rides a local track. You are AWESOME, bro. 💪🏻😎🤩💪🏽
I could you're skilled and fast but you're also STRONG AS 😳
Turn it up to 50 or 60 bet it rips your arms off
Cool
You can still have fun riding an uncompetitive petrol powered bike. I do. :-)
You gave it the hp of a 125 what did you expect
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80 HP setting massive E torque.
Electric for me, thx...
The bike was way too detuned.
And no tuning of the suspension settings.
Should have went for 48-52 hp.
Also should have started with a fully charged battery.
So in order for the bike to be competitive with a 250 it needs a much higher output? Equivalent power of a 350/450?
Also, the battery was fully charged, before we even pulled it out it was at 96%, he did one sighting lap and it had dropped down to 87%, 19 minutes later, 15%. Say what you want, the battery life is concerning and if it takes more power for it to be comparable, then the battery life will be even worse…
Not everything has to go electric!
Keep motocross, motocross.
Great review on it.
Old dinosaur at 33! 😆 ohh common dude..
when you can buy a 250 mxer for less than $5k used, it's hard to justify the $$$ for a varg
Weird to compare a new bike to a used one...
Why buy a used 250 when you dont buy a bike at all and save all that money
Damn, this man doesn't like electric!
so u get a 80hp bike turn it down to 40hp and complain its not powerful enough 🤔
It’s a test mate, and who the fuck wants a 80hp bike anyway.
@@jakenichollsjosh hill does and he’s a better rider than you’ll ever be😂
@@guywilson4658go away Guy
Exactly electric bike doesn't have enough bottom end said no one ever. These bikes have instant power.
It's impressive what batteries and electric motors can do but I can't see how it could ever be the way forward. There's soooo many pro's and cons to both but new fuels for the internalm combustion engine is where it's at! They're boring to watch too ✌
Batteries are not yet strong enough for this type of stuff and cars . They can’t last and heat is a terrible issue .
Fair play an honest review. I heard proper riders talking them up, obviously getting paid to
Great Vid thanks was interested to see battery fade so fast.