Khaled Ahmed, Pakistani editor who foresaw rise of Lashkars & never asked ‘but what about Kashmir?’
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Intellectual, journalist, author and linguist. Khaled Ahmed wore many hats. His death from cancer, at 81, is a loss not just for Pakistan but for the entire subcontinent. In this edition of FirstPersonSecondDraft, ThePrint Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta remembers the no-pretences secular liberal our region’s public debate finds only a couple of times in a generation.
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An update and a correction: Khaled’s family tells me he died of heart attack, not cancer. I had gone by Pakistani media reports. I stand corrected on this. ..shekhar
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"When a scholar dies, a library dies with him". This African proverb echoes the profound loss we feel with Khalid Ahmad's passing, a true intellectual giant .RIP
A brilliant obituary sir..I wish one could remember him with such reverence here in Pakistan as you did.
Thank you for this glowing tribute. An example of the magnanimity of India's heart (the old version of it). Khaled Ahmed's loss has left the Indian subcontinent a poorer place. The tragedy is... That tribe of people...is shrinking...even as the population is about one and a half billion in the region. In old Urdu (which was born in old Utter Pradesh), the term for such scarcity was "Qeht er Rijaal"... Qeht being a word for famine when there is a scarcity of food. In Qeht er Rijaal, there is a scarcity of wise men. And so we mourn together in this, Shekhar Sir.
Best wishes from Balochistan
Hey Faraz, your comments are always insightful and interesting. I get to learn something new every time. Cheers
@@surajbiradar9827 Thank you Sir :)
Many in India remember the sight of Congress leader Digvijay Singh embracing Dr. Zakir Naik on stage and hailing him as apostle of peace.
Zakir Naik fooled every one, including muslims through his blatent and poisonous lies for a long time.
The side effect of that is now islam is exposed and it is out in the open.
Digvijay Singh has always been a cunning fox
Who would sell his country for politics
Thank God he isn't as relevant as he was 10 years ago
Elaborate pls
Many also remember same diggy raja also launching book named 26/11 RSS ki saajis just few days after 2008 mumbai attack.
@@vatsalsingh1555 with one of the conspirator's father standing on the stage with him.
One of the best and tribute to Khaled Ahmed. Even no such review is aired or published in Pakistan. Khaled Ahmed was Scholar extraordinary.
Sir, This was the most interesting The Print video (on Indo-Pak anecdotes you keep sharing) that I have watched in a while. What a personality and a worthy tribute!
A beautiful tribute to an illustrious friend, Sir. Salaam from a Pakistani in the United States.
Lovely eulogy, thank you from a Pakistani adnirer in Pakistan.
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Will print do analysis about Exmuslims. Never. These guys are part of their game😂😂
wonderful that you did this video for him!
Such a heartwarming eulogy for your friend. A brilliant mind lost. RIP Khaled Ahmed sahab.
So Khaled warned SG about Zakhir Naik in 1993 and in 2010 when SG interviewed Zakhir, he begins by calling Zakhir a rockstar. In 2024, SG knows he is getting called out for this, so he covers his tracks by saying he couldn't pin down Zakhir. Any surprise that nobody trusts journalists?
I watched that Video again and he introduced him like Rockstar in the sense of a TV religious preacher.
How can it be supportive of him?
He was like that for his followers.
I watched this Zakir one video and his arguments were very hollow and superfluous.
Even in Pakistan, many people objected against him being invited.
@@BharatThatIsIndia Initially Pakistanis were super thrilled for they thought Zakir Naik will present a decorated , dressed up version of islam to the world.
He instead started talking about the stuff thats actually written in their texts and that became unbearable to somewhat literate pakistanis :)
The interview where he says a man , that isn't aroused after sitting 20 minutes in front of a woman, ceases to be a man , is funny.
All this while being interviewed by a pakistani woman tv anchor - the expressions on her face is hilarious.
@@desigulal Nope, they were not thrilled. Do not make up things.
@@BharatThatIsIndia Mitler was like that for his followers....
@@BharatThatIsIndiaI never said SG was supportive of Zakhir. If SG knew Zakhir was poisonous 17 years before interviewing, why does he start by calling him a rockstar but now say he couldn't pin him? If I'm pinning someone, I wouldn't start by calling them a rockstar. Either SG was appeasing then or lying now.
It is SG's convenient messaging to pass off as a neutral person that I'm questioning.
Khaled sahab's understanding of the subcontinental nerve was excellent. His statement about zakir naik, hindu behavior evolution and jingoism resonated with me so much.
Mr.SG always makes a point to state secularism in one way or the other... I would appreciate if he be honest enough to state that Secularism is just one way street only for Hindus to own and abide to, Zero onus for others, especially in subcontinent...
Perhaps the reference, "Jaan sab ko pyari hoti hai..."😊
Why is it always on Hindus?
Possibly because Hindus are more in India. It is very easy to demonstrate Hindus will do bad to muslims than it is to show the muslims doing bad to Hindus.
That is one reason why Hindus might get lectured more on this since Hindus actually are seen as the Elder sibling here. The younger sibling will always be the younger sibling.
We were more in 1947 still partition happened because of secularism ,evwn at that time there were more Muslims in india than in pak,despite that hindu identity was subdued in the garb of secularism that too is pluralistic in nature, Now hindus are reacting in a way appropriate and much required for Abrahamics.No hate just an observation.Even in India some defensive offense from hindus is seen as sin by secular hindus. This says a lot about secularism among hindus.I am not replying you angrily !just making my point.Shabba khair
@@khanshiranyor3974 Even if I accept your premise, what is your conclusion? Other communities are free to do what they want to do?. The moment demography changes, the secularism goes out of window, even in India. There are instances in India where Hindus were asked stop following their religious rituals as it offends religious beliefs of other community.
Pakistan, Bangladesh we were all part of same fabric, but as soon as these two countries separated, Hindus those are in smaller number there comparatively, were made 2nd class citizen.
History shows what Hindu lost, lost roots of the civilization when Sindh was taken away. All Hindu sacred sites were lost. Nobody even cared that its also part of their civilization roots while abandoning, destroying it. Why? because it was of Hindu lineages.
@@vinod1147 Demography is destiny .Hindus,jains Buddhists sikhs have no political unity we are divided on the basis of caste ,language regions etc .I admire the way RSS works ,they are preventing next partition.
@@Avenger62 Hindus are secular and none of other communities are. But secularism is being used as a stick to beat Hindus and Hindus only, time and again, especially when voices are raised for Hindu cause.
A decade back , I used to read his columns in the Indian express. A very profound and visionary person he was.
Khalid Ahmed was a very literary person. He was secular and was against involving religion in politics, unlike his cousin Imran.
RIP
You did great justice to the summarized biography of a friend from profession. You passion clearly shows the respect you have from him. You have introduces us and made him immortal by this video.
i am a canadian who travelled overland in the fall of 1977 from london to nepal. the shah of iran was in power, it was 4 months before the saur revolution in afghanistan, bhutto was in jail and indira was arrested in india. i could not have imagined what was about to follow...
I may have read one or two from Khaled Ahmed if he was published in the Indian Express, as you indicate but you have evoked enough interest for me to buy a book of his if I find one!
This is perhaps the best eulogy I have ever heard! What a wonderful friendship this must've been & what a sad loss! 🙏
you described him so well that i felt i knew him personally. long live your friendship!
Thank you for watching and writing in, my friend...best wishes, Shekhar
I wasn't sure I wanted to watch this video but I am very glad I did. Thank you Shekharji for introducing me to Khaled Ahmed sir, though late on my part.
Thanks a lot for paying tribute to our voice Reason.
He seems to be a very interesting person. Regrettably I did not know about him. It’s my loss .
RIP
A brilliant tribute!
Yes a familiar face who always spoke sense, recall reading him over the past four decades. He is gone but may his tribe increase and flourish.
I loved reading Khalid Ahmed’s articles in the Indian Express. One of very few journalists, who wrote fearlessly.
This is the best video by far. I've watched all your videos without fail and I'm subscribing. This was a balance of facts, emotion and experience. Amazing
I used to read his column with interest. Very rational
Sir thank you from across the border for such a nice recap about Khalid Ahmed sb.
Please note that Khalid sb wasnt suffering from cancer. He died of heart failure.
Those books at 2:34 about artificial neural networks, oil and gas fluid behaviour and microLED are probably not written by this author, a bit of fact checking is needed on this I think...
Haha true. That was a funny blooper.
@@SeshadriVyas Bloopers are edited out, here the editor seems so illiterate he can't differentiate between the work of a political analyst and books of more than one scientist cause they happen to have the same name.
Thanks for this episode. Having read all of his columns in Indian Express, one was really impressed by his intelligence, clarity of thought and honesty.
Great tribute sir. It's never bad to appreciate a true friend even if they are from countries that we have a bad blood
A magnificent tribute to a person I had known through his writings and conversations. RIP
"Well looks like a nice guy who read the writing on the wall....but then millions of Indians decades ago would have also read the writing on the wall."
A superb requiem for your friend and colleague whom you obviously hold in great respect. Very entertaing and 8nsightful for us listeners too to learn of such a man and journalist! You are quite the raconteur when you want ti be.. Thanks for one of your best episodes, please do these kinds more often..
Thank you for your kind words, Neeraj. Do keep watching and writing in...best wishes, Shekhar
These tribute videos for great personalities are very exciting and nicely presented. Great video SG
Seems to have been a very high IQ individual who could foresee the future. An intellectual in the real sense. RIP.
A brilliant obituary by SG for a respected fellow professional and dear friend. It requires open hearts and great intellect. May such relationships increase and endure.
Thank you for the kind words, Awadhesh...best wishes, Shekhar
Kishawar Naheed has also projected workof Khalid Ahmed.
This is not an obituary but a cover up by SG.
First time heard Guptaji's Heavy and Emotional Voice talking of his Friend, Gratest of Obulituries heard or read... 👍👍
Such a warm and lovely eulogy. Thank you for the stories and impressions of an obviously brilliant and amazing human.
People listen to music in their down mood and I come to The Print. Beautiful words selection and phrasing, and I did prepare many of my topics from your talks for my CSS exam (Pak's UPSC). I can feel that classic sense when SG talks, and which is very rare these days.
😂 don't compare css with upsc there is no comparison I have seen css exam question papers.
@loserang2877 UPSC is the world's best and toughest exam system. (my signature)... Is this ok? Grow up
@@loserang2877UPSC is also a useless exam...It creates worst beurocracy in the World..
Thanks @Shekar for writting such a fine obituary of Khalid sb
Wrong....India's victory in the war of 1971 did not "achieve peace" because India did not complete the task! After Bangladesh was liberated Indira Gandhi under pressure from Soviet Union, China and USA did not listen to Gen. Sam Manekshaw who was ready focus on West Pakistan and liberate occupied Kashmir. Had Indira Gandhi followed his advice, the Kashmir problem would have been over once and for all. Unfortunately Pakistan was allowed to breathe and rise again to only conduct terrorism and another war in Kargil. The 1971 war no doubt is a victory but the overall mission was left unaccomplished. Just for analogy had the Russians and Allies not completely eradicated the Nazis and occupied Germany; a ceasefire agreement or peace would have surely let Hitler and Germans re group and continue the war after a few years
Lol! In both 65 and 71 indian army only managed enter and capture territory 10 to 20 km inside Pak that too in desert areas, same with Pak army. Only place of significant significance your army captured in our kashmir was a pass called haji pir pass in '71, thats it. And ofcourse Dhaka fell because the entire begali population became our enemy and east pakistan was surrounded by India and defeat was inevitable and (for good)!
@@haiderkhagga Pakistan won the 1965 war and the 1971 war ✌ lol
@dyd78 Yes. The fact is neither India nor Pak can capture and hold each others territory. And since India is at least 7 times our size, we definitely can not take the rest of Kashmir by force. Hence, we should convince India on Musharraf's 4 point formula in which both countries recognise loc as border and minimize troop strength to zero in both Kashmirs and allow people of both Kashmirs to travel freely without visa in both Kashmirs. People of Kashmir, especially the Muslim population living in IOK, move on with their lives and not remain stuck in a perpetual conflict.
@dyd78 Yes. The fact is neither India nor Pak can capture and hold each others territory. And since India is at least 7 times our size, we definitely can not take the rest of Kashmir by force. Hence, we should convince India on Musharraf's 4 point formula in which both countries recognise loc as border and minimize troop strength to zero in both Kashmirs and allow people of both Kashmirs to travel freely without visa in both Kashmirs. People of Kashmir, especially the Muslim population living in IOK, move on with their lives and not remain stuck in a perpetual conflict.
@@haiderkhagga since you and your Pakististani counterpart reply periodically, all I can say is that you both are entitled to your viewpoints, believe whatever, or propaganda or some conspiracy theory or anything as Pakistanis are known for that! Fact is India can easily dismember Pakistan again; like it could have after the liberation of Bangladesh. After 93,000 of your soldiers surrendered in Dhaka, India was prevented from international pressure especially from Nixon-Kissinger, Britain and China to not continue the war on the western front. Indian navy had already blockaded Karachi harbor and its was a matter of time that Pakistan would collapse without fuel, arms, food etc. Though I admit that it would be tough even now for the Indian army to advance into Pakistan occupied Kashmir due to the terrain which is a natural defense. But that's not how India will get back the rest of occupied Kashmir; as in 1965 India army will open another front by advancing through the plains of north Sindh and south Punjab while the Indian navy will blockade the coast wile the Indian Air Force will destroy your defenses and maintain complete air dominance over Pakistani airspace. This time daddy USA will not come to your rescue or appeal for a cease fire and Pakistan will collapse. India will regain control over Gilgit and rest of Kashmir while Afghanistan will integrate KPK and Waziristan region back into its territory. Some parts of Baluchistan will be taken by Iran while it will become a free new country. Sindh may too declare independence and finally Punjab will be the only part calling itself Pakistan. This is going to happen within a decade so be prepared
I read his articles during UPSC days preparation. An honour. 😊
Not Bad….Seems like a intelligent and courageous one
So grateful that we get to hear this stories/memoirs from Shekhar Sir @ThePrint , wish you were my grand uncle/dada.
A rare gem in Pakistan
Thank you Shekhar Saab for bringing to us about this gentleman.
His Trajectory of future is coming true.🙏
Listening to Shekhar Gupta is pure unadulterated ecstasy . What beautiful monologue.
say anything about Shekhar Gupta and his opinions, his stories are always to die for.
4,5 yrs back...I used to read his interesting articles in indian express...😊
Chapter 8 of Quran is titled "Al-Anfal" which literally means "Spoils of War". The spoils of war includes wealth, men, women and children (to be used as slaves). This chapter was delivered by Mohammed after the battle of Badr, when his Jihadi Sahaaba started bickering over grabbing this or that item from the spoils or loots. So, Muhammad came up with this Sura (chapter) as divine resolution to bickering over the booty.
Muhammad wanted his cut as a leader of the newly-formed Muslim tribe. Through this Sura, Muhammad established a 20% cut of the loot as his personal share. But he made it in a ?divine? way, making ?Allah? also a shareholder of that 20%, which Allah certainly never came down to acquire. One can see Muhammad's naked trickery here. Allah does not need to wage war or attack others in greed for loots. What would Allah need the loots for? It is in fact Muhammad who needed the loots.
Ibn Ishaq, a famous Arab muslim historian of 7th century records that after butchering 800 Jews of Banu Qurayza tribe: "The apostle sent Sa?d b. Zayd al-Ansari? with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons" [Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, (translation A Guillaume), Oxford University Press, Karachi, 2004 imprint, p.465].
No man in his senses can accept a man who sells women to buy weapons as a Prophet of God. All muslim invaders to India (Mohammed Qasim, Ghazni, Ghouri etc.) dutifully sent 20% of the loot, men and women slaves to the Caliphs in middle east, as per the teachings of Quran in Sura 8.
It is clear that Mohammad was not more than a desert thief and bandit. In fact, he was a leader of a gang of desert thieves and bandits and Quran is his loot manual. One of the reasons of muslim poverty is that, with the decline of Islamic power, the loot business they ran successfully for 1300 years has come to an end.
thhanks much , i was brought here by YT algrotiam , nnice to know you an Khalid
Touched, thank you Shekharji
Are you drunk?😂
Thank you for watching and writing in, my friend...best wishes, Shekhar
I remember reading his columns in Indian express and liking his writings.
Great, heart-felt tribute. A small correction: he died of cardiac arrest. he didn't have cancer.
What a lovely piece. Thanks!
ah...such a nice episode SG...thank you.
Thank you for watching and writing in, my friend...best wishes, Shekhar
I used read his articles in The Dawn regularly ...excellent tribute by SG
Heartfelt, shared with such great Moral Sense.
WE need such people, including Print people IN all walks of life.
Otherwise WE go....Thank You!
Khalid Ahmed has really sharp intellect keen observation.He connects the dots well and prophetic.i dare to say there was no one like him in sub continent
Guptaji thanks for remembering our BERTRAND Russell
Nice one guptaji! Always enjoyed reading Khaled Ahmed’s pieces
Nice insight about a sharp and sincere human being, a rare breed indeed. Thankyou!
Thank you for watching and writing in, my friend...best wishes, Shekhar
We didn’t start the war to win, we defended ourselves and were successful
A very courageous writer gone forever leaving behind a huge vacuum.None can equal him in our country too.A great loss for us and present day subcontinent where most journalists r pro govt sycophants!
Very good narration,I met him just once during a seminar; had a brief chat although I do not subscribe to his entire philosophy however his analytical pier was much more than the rest of the stuff we have now. I do not know what he thought of the current scenario in Pakistan for the first time urban Punjab has stand up against the military establishment he should have given this credit to his cousin.
I love the way you have no animosity in your heart for anyone Shekhar, especially in this case for Pakistani's. You appear to have genuinely loved Khaled Ahmed, who seems a remarkably great man. His obvious admiration and liking for you reflects very well on you. Mr Ahmed's family will be so grateful for your moving obituary. Well done. I was born less than a decade after your countries became independent - my family had a centuries long connection with India through the Raj. It has always puzzled me why two such genetically similar peoples could be so antagonistic to each other. The only conclusion anyone can come to is the cancer of militant religiosity. The toxicity of some forms of applied Islam needs no explanation - it is so obvious. However, Hinduism used to be such a benign and gentle religion. How did India end up with the RSS, BJP and Modi? Is there any way that mainstream Hinduism can reclaim its ancient peacefulness?
Hinduism is peaceful...but the rise of RSS and BJP is a natural reaction towards continuous islamic intolerance.... Thanks to social media Hindus have also got to aware of islamic literature and its scholars speeches..... Now they feel cheated when they see Taliban supporter muslim ask for secualrism...
Shekhar ji, apart from IK and Majid Khan, there was another cousin, Javed Burki. He captained Pakistan in test matches.
A fine memoir of a friend and a skilled sparring partner ... 👍❤
Altogether impressive ❤
3 of these books seem to be written by a different Khaled Ahmed. One is on LEDs, 2nd on energy equipment and 3rd is on fluid dynamics of Oil and Gas. Unless he led a dual life as a researcher in Fluid Dynamics and Electronics, all the books here should not be attributed to him
Another brilliant intellectual of Government college university Lahore
@ThePrint : I believe you might need to update the video on the segment around his list of books. Don't think this Khaled Ahmed wrote the book on "MicroLED", I checked the website. The author of that book has a profile of engineer with intel. Please have a look in case you find this factually relevant, please amend.
My Dear Shekher Gupta Sir, 🙏🏻 it is indeed a pleasure,🌹 watching you as you remember your friend 🌹 Khalid Ahmed Sahb 🙏🏻 with so much Love & Affection Sir, 🙏🏻 God Bless Him Amen 🌹aur Aap Sada Khush Rahiye Amen 🌹 Sohail Karachi 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Really good episode SG, you have lost a good friend and we a great mind, enjoyed the insight and thoughts, thanks again and regards
mr gupta, really enjoyed your podcast. keep them coming …
Awesome 👍
Touching memories, well told
He died of heart failure and not cancer.
Good to know about Khalid!
Wonderful narration message sharing of Khalid. We never knew it
Superb thank you Sir
So he also wrote on LED devices and ANN? or screen shot is wrong? @2:35
Bahuth bada similarity with khalid shaikh.Expect one on him with your enthusiasm as usual guptaji.
A illetrate imoulvi in India from Iran did same prediction about Pakistan in 1947
Really worthy of watching.
Heart warming tribute.
Is anyone their in India who saw the future of India when innocent Indian Muslims?
Poor innocent explodes trains , stations and Market like Hindus and Christans do in Pakistan...??
Poor innocent creat Dawood Ibrahim and Zakir Naik...
The book list is not correct (02:36) MicroLED Devices and Systems ? That is written by an Egyptian researcher … someone at Print should have paid more attention.
He saw the future long back...he warned you .....but you learnt nothing..... What kind of friend you are..??
A beautiful eulogy. 🎉
Well looks like a nice guy who read the writing on the wall....but then millions of Indians decades ago would have also read the writing on the wall.
Nope, they couldn't about India. India is a food terrorist country-no one predicted that. In North India, Brahmavad is legalized and Hindus are forced to convert to Brahmavad-no one predicted. Rama, a god of non-vegetarians and killer of Brahmins, will be Brahmanized-no one predicted.
May his soul rest in peace.A sane voice lost.
@shekhar how come you never mentioned The Friday Times where he worked the longest?
Daikho zara
May his soul RIP
God bless him and family
It is an irony that I came to know about him only because of his death, although I used to read Friday Times. I blame only myself
Sir why didn't the Indian Government Act on this Crucial Information prior to Kashmiri Pandits exodus?
Mr. Gupta: It was wonderful of you to have talked about Khalid Ahmed. Here are couple of his interviews: a) ruclips.net/video/rrHVWFDEJtc/видео.html b) ruclips.net/video/qTChUWg9fEE/видео.html thank you.
5:50 is true about India too.
It's not that Zakir N was too smooth, it is that Indian secularists deliberately looked the other way to prove their secular credentials. The fact that it took Pakistanis to show what he really stands for frankly reflects pretty poorly on Indian intellectuals and all those people who used to host and gush over him.
Brilliant piece. Thanks for sharing