I think Nintendo sees the generic enemy characters as kind of interchangeable. They can leave out Koopa Troopa sometimes, because they can just trade him for another enemy to change things up, and most fans won't miss him. They all serve the same purpose.
Once Birdo had gained prominence as a recurring spin off character, she really shouldn't be considered a weird inclusion. She cemented herself as one of the spin-off staples alongside Waluigi and Daisy (but she's hit mainline now, so it's not quite the same) as one of the main character counterparts (Toadette too to a lesser extent, Toad misses a lot of rosters so she never stood a chance). Her exclusion should be a bigger surprise by the Wii era than her inclusion.
I wonder who will get into Smash first between Toad and Birdo and I don’t mean as part of another character’s moveset or a stage hazard, but as a playable fighter, after all we got a Potted Plant as a fighter, anything is possible
This video was super fun to watch, Mario Super Sluggers is the King of Mario Spinoff Rosters and it didn’t even require DLC or Free Updates, the Kong Family, Kremlings, Piantas, Noki, etc are all phenomenal additions!
Haha, this channel ain't my first rodeo... although my previous channels were never over 10k. The quality might have something to do with how the videos take a month to make lol
Great video! Since I’m a huge fan of King Boo/Boo the only things I would change are that Boo being the biggest exclusion from Mario Party 9 instead of Dry Bones, since Boo debuted in Mario Party 5 and Dry Bones debuted in Mario Party 7. I would’ve also mentioned King Boo as a weird exclusion from Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U’s roster since the previous 2 home console Mario Karts at that point being Double Dash and Wii had King Boo as a playable character. But this is a really well made video and tier list overall!
This was indeed a very interesting and creative idea and I loved watching this all the way through. I've definitely played several of the Mario spin-offs, but so many more of them I have not played. So this was really cool to see
💀 But on a serious note the memes if Diddy were playable in Jamboree would be crazy in a post-Diddy era 😭😭 perhaps it’s for the best, or worst idk it’d be hilarious to see diddy kong dnksnskb
@utopes Bruhh imagine if Nintendo had the foresight to know about Diddy Kongtroversy, even then, they are a japanese company and probably wouldn’t pay too much attention to western controversies
I really hope Diddy doesn't get shadow realmed from Mario rosters going forward because of all of the "other Diddy" nonsense. He just deserves to be a mainstay by this point.
Imma be honest, i feel like some of those weird exclusions that you gave to Koopa and Toad shouldve gone to Birdo, and some of those weird inclusions shouldnt have gone to Birdo. Like Birdo missing from from Party 10, Super Mario Party (Yoshi was there, neither Toad or Toadette were playable so yoshi needs a partner), and Golf Super Rush, Birdo felt like obviously missing characters. Birdo being the weirdest picks in Party 7 and 9, and Tennis 64 feels weird because 7 had DryBones, 9 had Kamek, and Tennis 64 had Paratroopa, and i say all of this as not a huge Birdo fan, like i like her, but shes no where near my favorites
A big thing I’m judging weirdness on is prominence in the mainline games. Birdo showed up a bit in Bros. 2 and that’s it. If it weren’t for her previous spinoff cred I would rank her similarly to Pom Pom in importance.
i wish you considered weird inclusions as a positive! I think MK7 has one of the coolest rosters that leans into the fact that it was more limited in-scope compared to DD/Wii/8 and focused on cool characters that are exclusive to MK7 to this day.
I get where you’re coming from here. In games like Super Sluggers and Tennis Aces the weird inclusions do count as a positive, the difference is the gulf between the weirdest inclusions and exclusions. Having Honey Queen or whoever playable is cool, but not really worth leaving Waluigi mains high and dry.
@@lapse3721 personally i found metal mario weirder mainly because the metal power-up hadn't been relevant for years meanwhile honey queen was clearly a galaxy 2 tie-in (which i personally don't think was the best choice)
I always found cool that Mario Tennis for the GBA gave you the option to play all the characters from the story. It is a pretty fun RPG Tennis like adventure mode and the personalization of your character for the special moves and stats was pretty cool.
Can we talk about how crazy it is that in Mario Party Jamboree Mario got a new render that makes him look at lot like the Mario movie version of him. But Rosalina’s smash 4 render is reused for the 1000th time????
I've never played a Mario Golf or Tennis game, but the human characters being there in so many installments tells me that they belong after a while, and shouldn't be considered odd.
I dunno… in a game called Mario Golf, I want it to have Mario characters in it. Also, they’re different humans every time, so none of them can become a mainstay.
I find it a little unfair to call Koopa Troopa a weird exclusion when there are other generic enemies… unless it’s Mario Kart or those generic enemies include Koopa Paratroopa.
I understand where you’re coming from. To me, though, Koopa Troopa is such a mainstay in the platformers that he should really be in spinoffs. Imagine if spinoff games just decided to not include Peach. Even if most or all of them were missing her, it would still be weird for new ones not to include her.
@@lapse3721 With how much Toadsworth looked forward to the roller coaster in Sunshine and finally got to ride it in the end credits, he'd be thrilled on the race track! 😄
Diddy Kong and Toad have always been my favorite Nintendo characters. Though I grew up with the N64, most of my multiplayer childhood was on the GameCube, including Double Dash. Being able to play as both of them together in that game was amazing. But what's kind of fascinating is how it seems like the two of them are VERY rarely both playable in a game that you only choose a single character for (so like, excluding the Baseball games), at least up until the Switch. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are MKWii and Mario Golf: World Tour. So it always just happened to work out that any game that had Diddy cut, I could usually play Toad, and vice versa. But in the rare case where neither of them are playable, I usually have to settle for DK.
Very interesting! DK was always my favorite character growing up. One interesting thing that I should have mentioned is that there were only two games where Koopa Troopa was playable but Toad wasn't, but there were several with Toad but not Koopa.
Yeah I would guess the reason is that Toad doesn't really have any equivalents that outright replace him. Toadette is literally his "equivalent," but you wouldn't really have a standard Mario multiplayer game where Toadette is playable but not Toad. Meanwhile Koopa Troopa, as cool as he is as an individual, COULD reasonably be subbed out for someone like Paratroopa, Hammer Bro, Dry Bones, etc. And in most of the games Toad isn't playable in, it's because he's a host or other important NPC, so it's less like "Yeah, we don't want Toad in this game" and more like "What role is Toad playing in this game?". Whereas Koopa has to pass the test of "Is Koopa even in this game at all or are we using another random enemy this time?" before you even get to the question of what role he'll play, and that's also a character who often plays a host/NPC role even when he DOES pass that initial question.
Would be pretty tricky to figure out where to draw the line at who's a Mario character and who isn't haha. Not to mention having all of the super obscure like one-off characters from Mario Land or SMB 2! That would be really cool though.
You have a Koopa Troopa obsession. He's cool but like sometimes he's not necessary. Paratroopa and Dry Bones are just better Koopa Troopa, so if they're here, I feel like Koopa Troopa isn't needed (except in double dash) My main criticism about the Jamboree roster is having Koopa Troopa instead of Dry Bones, who was there since 7. (And also the fact that there is 0 character in Jamboree that wasn't already playable in previous game, like Goomba in Super Mario Party or Chomp in Mario Tennis Aces (exclusing Mario Sluggers of course))
I feel like Paratroopa and Dry Bones are sorta just variants of Koopa Troopa. It's weird for them to get in over Koopa in the same way it would be weird to have Waluigi but not Wario, or Baby Peach but not Peach.
Yeah it was a kinda weird game. Not really worth playing imo, all of the sports function but none of them are that good. Wii Sports is a much better sports compilation.
One of my favorite parts of the Mario spinoffs is seeing characters from a main series entry become a mainstay, like Petey and Rosalina did, and I really wish they'd do it more often. Nabbit and Pauline seem to have gotten halfway there, but I was really hoping we would see characters like Cappy, or Plessie, or even Lubba get a shot at being a spinoff star. Heck, give Prince Florian a go! There's so many cool options they just leave on the table, and I get why, but c'mon Nintendo get weird with it
@@lapse3721 If they would include Luigi costumes, I do think that any power up of a new Mario game would be used, just like Elephant Peach. Gooigi would maybe fit it if it's also in the next Luigi's Mansion game. I personally would also use Dr. Mario as a Mario costume. I changed my message.
For what it’s worth, I’m less measuring surprise and more measuring disappointment. Fairly high(although never high enough to be the weirdest exclusion) on the disappointment index for me in the Switch era is Cappy, even though he hasn’t yet been playable in a spinoff.
0:16 I actually heard somewhere that Jr. was chosen over DK for SMK bc Jr’s white tank top helped him not blend in as much with the course backgrounds. Don’t know how true this is tho
A question! Is there a sign of Geno in Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Fortune Street and Mario Sports Mix? If he actually belongs to Square Enix, then he's likely playable. But if I'm wrong, correct me.
Man I actual would have enjoyed this if you did not drop a game because of koopa troops missing that ruined it for me. Mario party 8 for example should have been a tier but because no koopa troops nope.
lol on further inspection Mario Party 8 totally could be an A tier. It’s less about missing Koopa Troopa and more that it was directly compared to other Wii games like MKWii, Super Sluggers, and Strikers Charged.
I mean... birdo was pretty obscure and toadette was created whole cloth for double dash. They are important to have around so there are good female characters though.
13:44 I never played Mario party 9 but I loved playing Mario party 8 back in the day. Especially koopa troopa tycoon. Ultimately though I think the weirdest exclusion the Mario party 9 probably would be Rosalina because she could have been included by that point
19:46 I think the fire variant was a good choice because it suits its playstyle in-game. It has a very strong top-spin which is essentially this powerful, fiery shot that can causes the opponents to be knockbacked and also suits the character. Also, it allowed it to be differentiated from Petey who is essentially the piranha plant representative of the entire series.
It’s crazy how Toad wasn’t playable in Mario Party after The Top 100, it feels so wrong to me even though i mainly play with Luigi Anyways. Also Goomba for Mario Kart 9, I swear he needs to be in it
Made sense you didn't include Fortune Street because it's not really a Mario game, but tbh all the weird choices in that game come from the Dragon Quest side. Not including the heroes is weird but they had a rule about that or something, but they left out my man Torneko from the Venture Capitalist game?????
Also it's kinda funny how you long you went without conceding that Birdo was a mainstay. She can't be the weirdest inclusion forever come on! (Respect the hating tho)
It was less that Birdo never became a mainstay and more that she had a peculiar habit of sneaking into games that otherwise only had very safe picks. Look at the rosters of Mario Party Superstars or Mario Strikers Battle League and tell me there's someone there who's weirder than Birdo.
I'd be curious about your thoughts on the Mario choices for Smash Bros. I know it's not a true Mario spin-off, but it has more Mario characters than some of the true Mario spin-offs
Sure. Dr. Mario being in Ultimate is a bit wacky. K. Rool is fun and super surprising. Piranha Plant is completely wild. Weird exclusions are Toad, Waluigi, and Koopa Troopa. B tier overall.
The weirdest exclusion for me overall are the koopalings, concidering they've been around since smb3 and for some reason only just 10 years ago started reappearing in these games. I guess they're always a package of seven and thus take up a lot of slots, but if you ask me, I would have excused some blatant favoritism of Roy or something...
The weirdest inclusion for double dash imo is Koopa Paratroopa. He's the same thing as normal Koopa, couldnt you have added idk shy guy. But i agree koopa troopa is based
You're mostly just judging the size of the rosters, MK64 has the best balance with the most variety of types of characters and no filler clone characters like Daisy, Waluigi, and Toadette, and also no generic interchangeable enemies like Koopa and Boo.
Exactly! Well I wouldn't say Daisy, Waluigi and Toadette are clones, but I agree that MK64 has the purest roster. I think it's absurd to say Tennis Aces is better when half the characters are interchangeable Bowser's minions that have no reason to be there. Quantity isn't quality.
I like Daisy, Waluigi, and Toadette, I'm just saying that they're extensions of pre existing characters. Mario is the main character, Luigi is the sidekick/partner, Peach is the love interest, Toad is the supporting character, Yoshi is the pet/mount/animal, Bowser is the villain, Wario is the rival, and DK is the external frenemy that also represents Mario's pre-SMB days. Daisy is another love interest, Waluigi is another rival, and Toadette is another supporting character. They don't really add a lot of variety.
I see where you’re coming from but the various enemies are probably my favorite characters. (Obviously this is very subjective) I will say that since the Mario series is so light on characterization that visual design and fan following are more important than character traits.
It's a very solid roster given the technology, times, and overall size. Its biggest weakness by far is only having one woman. Would go Birdo (or Daisy) over Wario for that reason, but there's not any duds here.
you should make a sequel to this but with the mainline games I always hated how they included blue toad and yellow toad over yoshi and wario in new super mario bros Wii
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i think this guy might like koopa troopa
Hmm... what gives you that impression?
@@lapse3721just a lucky guess probably
I don't Blame him.
I'm more of a Paratroopa guy myself.
I’m a Koopa guy too. Can’t believe they would do that to my boy. 😔
I think Nintendo sees the generic enemy characters as kind of interchangeable. They can leave out Koopa Troopa sometimes, because they can just trade him for another enemy to change things up, and most fans won't miss him. They all serve the same purpose.
I also feel like koopa troopa shouldn’t have been the weirdest exclusion in games with para troopa because they’re basically the same
Once Birdo had gained prominence as a recurring spin off character, she really shouldn't be considered a weird inclusion. She cemented herself as one of the spin-off staples alongside Waluigi and Daisy (but she's hit mainline now, so it's not quite the same) as one of the main character counterparts (Toadette too to a lesser extent, Toad misses a lot of rosters so she never stood a chance). Her exclusion should be a bigger surprise by the Wii era than her inclusion.
100% agree, birdo not being included in a big roster is weirder than if she is. same with waluigi, theyve been spin off staples for YEARS
17:23 shows character development in his story arc. He sees Birdo as a common reoccuring character by this point.
I wonder who will get into Smash first between Toad and Birdo and I don’t mean as part of another character’s moveset or a stage hazard, but as a playable fighter, after all we got a Potted Plant as a fighter, anything is possible
@ i would lowkey LOVEEE captain toad as a fighter LMFAO, even tho i could def see birdo as an echo fighter for yoshi
Wait when did she join another mainline game since 2???
This video was super fun to watch, Mario Super Sluggers is the King of Mario Spinoff Rosters and it didn’t even require DLC or Free Updates, the Kong Family, Kremlings, Piantas, Noki, etc are all phenomenal additions!
Pianta is one of my top picks for new characters in the next Mario Kart game.
Bro I thought this guy had above 10k, talk about quality.
Haha, this channel ain't my first rodeo... although my previous channels were never over 10k. The quality might have something to do with how the videos take a month to make lol
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I have no idea how you only have 18 subscribers this video was great
lol give it time
hahaha this reply aged
185 now
Great video! Since I’m a huge fan of King Boo/Boo the only things I would change are that Boo being the biggest exclusion from Mario Party 9 instead of Dry Bones, since Boo debuted in Mario Party 5 and Dry Bones debuted in Mario Party 7. I would’ve also mentioned King Boo as a weird exclusion from Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U’s roster since the previous 2 home console Mario Karts at that point being Double Dash and Wii had King Boo as a playable character. But this is a really well made video and tier list overall!
Good catch on King Boo in Mario Kart 8! He totally should have been there!
This was indeed a very interesting and creative idea and I loved watching this all the way through. I've definitely played several of the Mario spin-offs, but so many more of them I have not played. So this was really cool to see
Stop glazing koopa troopa 💀
Can’t stop won’t stop 😎
Koopa Troopa is amazing
I think diddy isn't playable in too many Mario Party games, cause we all know, there ain't no party like a diddy party.
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But on a serious note the memes if Diddy were playable in Jamboree would be crazy in a post-Diddy era 😭😭 perhaps it’s for the best, or worst idk it’d be hilarious to see diddy kong dnksnskb
@utopes Bruhh imagine if Nintendo had the foresight to know about Diddy Kongtroversy, even then, they are a japanese company and probably wouldn’t pay too much attention to western controversies
I really hope Diddy doesn't get shadow realmed from Mario rosters going forward because of all of the "other Diddy" nonsense. He just deserves to be a mainstay by this point.
Its getting old man..
I doubt that’s the reason Diddy Kong is being dropped. More likely they just don’t like including DKC characters in Mario Games very much anymore.
This is the most straight to the point into to a video I've even seen
Thank you! One of my pet peeves is overly long intros so I try to keep em quick.
I will never understand how anyone can consider the Koopalings in MK8 a bad inclusion. Legacy boss characters they are, and were relevant at the time.
I'm a big fan of them for sure. The real problem in MK8 was the missing characters. I'd sooner replace the babies and costumes than the koopalings.
It's not that the koopalings were there. It's everyone who wasn't.
Imma be honest, i feel like some of those weird exclusions that you gave to Koopa and Toad shouldve gone to Birdo, and some of those weird inclusions shouldnt have gone to Birdo.
Like Birdo missing from from Party 10, Super Mario Party (Yoshi was there, neither Toad or Toadette were playable so yoshi needs a partner), and Golf Super Rush, Birdo felt like obviously missing characters. Birdo being the weirdest picks in Party 7 and 9, and Tennis 64 feels weird because 7 had DryBones, 9 had Kamek, and Tennis 64 had Paratroopa, and i say all of this as not a huge Birdo fan, like i like her, but shes no where near my favorites
A big thing I’m judging weirdness on is prominence in the mainline games. Birdo showed up a bit in Bros. 2 and that’s it. If it weren’t for her previous spinoff cred I would rank her similarly to Pom Pom in importance.
@lapse3721 in that regard I can understand your reasoning
I like how Mario Rosters can either range from being the most cool picks to literal made up characters just to take space 💀
Of course that's how Toadette, Waluigi, and Baby Daisy began
@@lapse3721at least toadette and waluigi are memorable, the excessive baby versions are the problem
Blame Camelot for the made up human characters, it’s a shame they’re stuck in the Mario Sports mines and can’t do more Golden Sun or other projects
Lovely channel!!! This seems like very high quality content coming!
Wild that you have so few subs, also glad to see another certified koopa troopa enjoyer
I was surprised when I saw you having only 200 subs, the video is pretty well made
i wish you considered weird inclusions as a positive! I think MK7 has one of the coolest rosters that leans into the fact that it was more limited in-scope compared to DD/Wii/8 and focused on cool characters that are exclusive to MK7 to this day.
I get where you’re coming from here. In games like Super Sluggers and Tennis Aces the weird inclusions do count as a positive, the difference is the gulf between the weirdest inclusions and exclusions. Having Honey Queen or whoever playable is cool, but not really worth leaving Waluigi mains high and dry.
@lapse3721 Waluigi fans should be greatful he still around instead of being a one off character.
@@lapse3721 personally i found metal mario weirder mainly because the metal power-up hadn't been relevant for years meanwhile honey queen was clearly a galaxy 2 tie-in (which i personally don't think was the best choice)
Tbh weirdest exclution from star rush shouldve been Birdo tbh litterally the entire roster is goodies so where is she-
Nahhhh there are literally no Bowser characters. Koopa Troopa or Bowser Jr. should have been there!
so real on the koopa troopa love
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Only 170 subs??? How!!!! This was a great video! Got me through my lunch. Enjoy a sub!
I always found cool that Mario Tennis for the GBA gave you the option to play all the characters from the story. It is a pretty fun RPG Tennis like adventure mode and the personalization of your character for the special moves and stats was pretty cool.
Me too, and frankly Im so sick of people distespecting this game, because of the original human characters
When are we going to get a new playable character like Cappy, Gooigi, or Lumalee (if it's possible)?
Playable Cappy is the dream honestly
I love you rupturing my ear drums every few minutes in this video
and i would have done it better had my mic not peaked out
@lapse3721 evil
Can we talk about how crazy it is that in Mario Party Jamboree Mario got a new render that makes him look at lot like the Mario movie version of him. But Rosalina’s smash 4 render is reused for the 1000th time????
The toad glazing is almost as crazy as the humans and waluigi hate💀
Nothing crazy about hating waluigi.
@@INFERNO95 dawg who asked💀💀💀💀
I've never played a Mario Golf or Tennis game, but the human characters being there in so many installments tells me that they belong after a while, and shouldn't be considered odd.
I dunno… in a game called Mario Golf, I want it to have Mario characters in it. Also, they’re different humans every time, so none of them can become a mainstay.
I’m surprised Nabbit hasn’t popped up as playable atleast once
He has! You could play as Nabbit in Mario Golf World Tour (and Mario Kart Tour).
Here before this guy becomes the next big mario youtuber
It could happen if I don’t run out of motivation lol
I find it a little unfair to call Koopa Troopa a weird exclusion when there are other generic enemies… unless it’s Mario Kart or those generic enemies include Koopa Paratroopa.
I understand where you’re coming from. To me, though, Koopa Troopa is such a mainstay in the platformers that he should really be in spinoffs. Imagine if spinoff games just decided to not include Peach. Even if most or all of them were missing her, it would still be weird for new ones not to include her.
I think this guy should have more followers
Bro I thought this guy had 100k subs. I can tell this is going to get you a lot of views.
mario super sluggers mentioned 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
I want Toadsworth and Hammer Bro in Mario Kart 9, the latter of which I'm still sour about for getting excluded along with Dry Bones in Jamboree.
For real. I have no idea why Nintendo is allergic to Toadsworth these days.
@@lapse3721 With how much Toadsworth looked forward to the roller coaster in Sunshine and finally got to ride it in the end credits, he'd be thrilled on the race track! 😄
@@herrmajestat It would be awesome to see a Waluigi Rollercoaster course in the next MK game. Just sayin'!
Why is Wario always the weird inclusion? He’s literally a staple and has been in the spin offs almost from the start?
Well, he's not that weird. He only ends up as the weirdest inclusion in really small rosters. Wario's weirder than Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser.
Bro’s gonna throw a riot if Koopa Troopa isn’t playable in Mario Farts On Rainbows 17
Real
Watch this space if that game releases.
Diddy Kong and Toad have always been my favorite Nintendo characters. Though I grew up with the N64, most of my multiplayer childhood was on the GameCube, including Double Dash. Being able to play as both of them together in that game was amazing. But what's kind of fascinating is how it seems like the two of them are VERY rarely both playable in a game that you only choose a single character for (so like, excluding the Baseball games), at least up until the Switch. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are MKWii and Mario Golf: World Tour. So it always just happened to work out that any game that had Diddy cut, I could usually play Toad, and vice versa. But in the rare case where neither of them are playable, I usually have to settle for DK.
Very interesting! DK was always my favorite character growing up. One interesting thing that I should have mentioned is that there were only two games where Koopa Troopa was playable but Toad wasn't, but there were several with Toad but not Koopa.
Yeah I would guess the reason is that Toad doesn't really have any equivalents that outright replace him. Toadette is literally his "equivalent," but you wouldn't really have a standard Mario multiplayer game where Toadette is playable but not Toad. Meanwhile Koopa Troopa, as cool as he is as an individual, COULD reasonably be subbed out for someone like Paratroopa, Hammer Bro, Dry Bones, etc. And in most of the games Toad isn't playable in, it's because he's a host or other important NPC, so it's less like "Yeah, we don't want Toad in this game" and more like "What role is Toad playing in this game?". Whereas Koopa has to pass the test of "Is Koopa even in this game at all or are we using another random enemy this time?" before you even get to the question of what role he'll play, and that's also a character who often plays a host/NPC role even when he DOES pass that initial question.
they should add the normal humans as playable characters in mainline games
That would be so funny actually
I’m curious as to where you’d put the Mario and Sonic Olympics rosters
Most of 'em would be B tier. They're all very similar.
Imagine a Mario spin-off that includes every character in the Mario universe in one huge package!
Would be pretty tricky to figure out where to draw the line at who's a Mario character and who isn't haha. Not to mention having all of the super obscure like one-off characters from Mario Land or SMB 2! That would be really cool though.
You would think that the baby bros would have been playable in World tour and Aces
You have a Koopa Troopa obsession.
He's cool but like sometimes he's not necessary. Paratroopa and Dry Bones are just better Koopa Troopa, so if they're here, I feel like Koopa Troopa isn't needed (except in double dash)
My main criticism about the Jamboree roster is having Koopa Troopa instead of Dry Bones, who was there since 7. (And also the fact that there is 0 character in Jamboree that wasn't already playable in previous game, like Goomba in Super Mario Party or Chomp in Mario Tennis Aces (exclusing Mario Sluggers of course))
I feel like Paratroopa and Dry Bones are sorta just variants of Koopa Troopa. It's weird for them to get in over Koopa in the same way it would be weird to have Waluigi but not Wario, or Baby Peach but not Peach.
22:17 It's honestly criminal to have excluded Dry Bones and Hammer Bro in favor of Spike.
It's a goofy move for sure. Spike is kinda fun though?
I genuinely did not know Mario sports Superstars even existed
Yeah it was a kinda weird game. Not really worth playing imo, all of the sports function but none of them are that good. Wii Sports is a much better sports compilation.
One of my favorite parts of the Mario spinoffs is seeing characters from a main series entry become a mainstay, like Petey and Rosalina did, and I really wish they'd do it more often. Nabbit and Pauline seem to have gotten halfway there, but I was really hoping we would see characters like Cappy, or Plessie, or even Lubba get a shot at being a spinoff star. Heck, give Prince Florian a go! There's so many cool options they just leave on the table, and I get why, but c'mon Nintendo get weird with it
For real. I was quite surprised that Cappy never showed up.
The Koopa thing in this video started funny, but I actually got tired of it
I always say any joke worth doing is worth overdoing.
*My ideal Mario Kart 10 roster (40 characters in total):*
Mario+, Luigi+, Peach+, Daisy, Rosalina, Pauline, Yoshi+ & Birdo+
Toad+, Toadette, Koopa Troopa+, Dry Bones, Shy Guy+, Lakitu, Kamek & Hammer Bros+.
Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, Baby Peach, Baby Daisy, Diddy Kong, Funky Kong, Bowser Jr. & Dry Bowser
Wario, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, Bowser, Petey Piranha, Wiggler, King Boo & King Bob-Omb
Honey Queen, Monty Mole, Dixie Kong, Nabbit, Donkey Kong Jr., R.O.B., Professor E. Gadd & PAC-Man would be DLC
Characters with a + behind their name have costumes or alternative colors. These are:
- Mario: Regular, Tanooki Mario, Dr. Mario, Metal Mario & Gold Mario
- Luigi: Regular, Pinguin Luigi, Gooigi & Luigi with power up from new Mario game
- Peach: Regular, Cat Peach, Pink Gold Peach & Elephant Peach
- Yoshi: Green (Regular), Yellow, Pink, Light Blue, Dark Blue, Red, Black, White, Purple & Orange
- Birdo: Pink (Regular), Green, Yellow, Light Blue, Dark Blue, Red, Black, White, Purple & Orange
- Toad: Regular, Green, Yellow, Pink, Light Blue, Dark Blue, Black, Purple, Orange, Captain Toad & Toadsworth
- Koopa Troopa: Green (Regular), Yellow, Pink, Dark Blue, Red, Orange + Red, Green & Dark Blue Koopa Paratroopa
- Shy Guy: Red (Regular), Green, Yellow, Pink, Light Blue, Dark Blue, Black, White, Purple & Orange
- Hammer Bros: Hammer (Regular), Fire, Ice, Boomerang & Sledge Bro
Cut characters: Baby Rosalina, Koopalings, Villager (M/F), Isabelle, Link & Inkling (M/F).
Characters in consideration but didn't make the cut: Ms. PAC-Man, Fly Guy, Chargin' Chuck, Goomba & more variants
No Luigi costumes? Also having PAC-Man but not Link is wild to me. I really like your picks otherwise though.
@@lapse3721 Yea I personally think they should stick to Mario Kart & their arcade games, not more Nintendo characters.
Penguin Luigi is a favorite costume of mine. Gooigi could work as well.
@@lapse3721 If they would include Luigi costumes, I do think that any power up of a new Mario game would be used, just like Elephant Peach. Gooigi would maybe fit it if it's also in the next Luigi's Mansion game. I personally would also use Dr. Mario as a Mario costume. I changed my message.
If a character is excluded as times as Koopa Troopa was, is it really justified saying its super weird and out of pocket when he is
For what it’s worth, I’m less measuring surprise and more measuring disappointment. Fairly high(although never high enough to be the weirdest exclusion) on the disappointment index for me in the Switch era is Cappy, even though he hasn’t yet been playable in a spinoff.
0:16 I actually heard somewhere that Jr. was chosen over DK for SMK bc Jr’s white tank top helped him not blend in as much with the course backgrounds. Don’t know how true this is tho
I have never heard that before! Very interesting. I wonder if that was part of the reason for leaving Goomba out as well.
@@lapse3721 It probably was!
Nah, where's Mario Kart Tour because that was the best Mario Kart roster ever. They had POOCHY. 😭
They had like everyone 😂😂
Can’t have it on there cuz it would have blown all the rest out of the water haha
Poochy is an s-tier character
10:21 maybe toad is just too short to play basketball. Just kidding. I mean Dixie Kong and Diddy Kong aren't really tall at all so I don't know.
Thanks for the video
You’re welcome
A question! Is there a sign of Geno in Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Fortune Street and Mario Sports Mix? If he actually belongs to Square Enix, then he's likely playable. But if I'm wrong, correct me.
I don't believe he shows up in those games.
What about the mario and sonic games? Would love to see your opinions
Almost all B tier.
Man I actual would have enjoyed this if you did not drop a game because of koopa troops missing that ruined it for me. Mario party 8 for example should have been a tier but because no koopa troops nope.
Nah bias like that in these kind of lists make them more entertaining
lol on further inspection Mario Party 8 totally could be an A tier. It’s less about missing Koopa Troopa and more that it was directly compared to other Wii games like MKWii, Super Sluggers, and Strikers Charged.
birdo and toadette are not weird 😓😢
I mean... birdo was pretty obscure and toadette was created whole cloth for double dash. They are important to have around so there are good female characters though.
@ i will agree weird origins but we have normalized them 🙌💯
Is fucking Chun Liun one of those pictures for Mario Tennis Power Tour?
No, but she has a striking resemblance to her.
Personally, I'd rank Super Mario Party Jamboree (and also Mario Party Superstars ) lower than _Super Mario Party_ because of the lack of Diddy Kong.
13:44 I never played Mario party 9 but I loved playing Mario party 8 back in the day. Especially koopa troopa tycoon. Ultimately though I think the weirdest exclusion the Mario party 9 probably would be Rosalina because she could have been included by that point
I see your point. Rosalina didn’t really get established as a mainstay until the Wii U/3DS era, for some reason.
19:46 I think the fire variant was a good choice because it suits its playstyle in-game. It has a very strong top-spin which is essentially this powerful, fiery shot that can causes the opponents to be knockbacked and also suits the character. Also, it allowed it to be differentiated from Petey who is essentially the piranha plant representative of the entire series.
Are you a koopa?
Also I kinda like some of those weird human characters
My sister once got bit by a Køøpa. She was trying to carve her initials into it.
Subscribing now I feel potential in this channel
4:51 Chun Li got in over Yoshi.
Haha she totally does look like Chun-Li.
Diddy was going to be in jamboree until he was cut very late in development for obvious external factors.
What really? Did somebody find this out recently?
Is this true cause if so thats dumb
Mario Superstar Baseball and Super Sluggers had a great roster larger than most Kart or Party games.
Rosalina not being in sports mix was criminal
Well that was an abrupt and to-the-point intro.
Overly long intros are a big pet peeve of mine, so I try to be as quick as possible!
Koopa bias is based, subbed
Koopa’s my favorite Mario character and he’s done so dirty in these spin-off games 😂😂 Like how do you have Paratroopa and not the regular Koopa?! 💀💀
Real. Gotta get the priorities straight.
1:53 they probably chose paratroopa bc koopas are slow asf. paratroopa at least can move fast enough to fly
Koopa’s fast enough for Mario Strikers. Faster than DK, Bowser, Wario, and others in that game.
It’s crazy how Toad wasn’t playable in Mario Party after The Top 100, it feels so wrong to me even though i mainly play with Luigi Anyways.
Also Goomba for Mario Kart 9, I swear he needs to be in it
the goomba hope is real... stay tuned for me to put together that video
Your love for Toad and Koopa Troopa is the same as mine for Dry Bones
Also, you did not just overlook Dry Bones not being in Jamboree. :(
Oh shoot! That was a major oversight! Dry Bones is definitely a weirder exclusion than Diddy Kong. He’s super cool.
You forgot to mention that one obscure Mario Golf game where Luigi isn't playable for some reason
I decided not to mention Japan-exclusive games. Despite the name, NES Golf U.S. Course never released in the US!
Somehow Mario Strickers League has a worst roster than Supercharged for the Wii.
Made sense you didn't include Fortune Street because it's not really a Mario game, but tbh all the weird choices in that game come from the Dragon Quest side. Not including the heroes is weird but they had a rule about that or something, but they left out my man Torneko from the Venture Capitalist game?????
Also it's kinda funny how you long you went without conceding that Birdo was a mainstay. She can't be the weirdest inclusion forever come on! (Respect the hating tho)
It was less that Birdo never became a mainstay and more that she had a peculiar habit of sneaking into games that otherwise only had very safe picks. Look at the rosters of Mario Party Superstars or Mario Strikers Battle League and tell me there's someone there who's weirder than Birdo.
I'd be curious about your thoughts on the Mario choices for Smash Bros. I know it's not a true Mario spin-off, but it has more Mario characters than some of the true Mario spin-offs
Sure. Dr. Mario being in Ultimate is a bit wacky. K. Rool is fun and super surprising. Piranha Plant is completely wild. Weird exclusions are Toad, Waluigi, and Koopa Troopa. B tier overall.
12:54 there's spike 😂
The weirdest exclusion for me overall are the koopalings, concidering they've been around since smb3 and for some reason only just 10 years ago started reappearing in these games. I guess they're always a package of seven and thus take up a lot of slots, but if you ask me, I would have excused some blatant favoritism of Roy or something...
Yeah, it certainly took em long enough.
That NBA Basketball game is goated
The weirdest inclusion for double dash imo is Koopa Paratroopa. He's the same thing as normal Koopa, couldnt you have added idk shy guy. But i agree koopa troopa is based
Fair enough. Toadette didn’t exist before Double Dash but Paratroopa is still a weirder pick than Shy Guy.
You forgot my favorite game.😢 Mario Tennis for the virtual boy :(
I mentioned it at the start?
Oh damn you did 🤣 My bad lol
how do you see a roster of 6 characters and give it b tier
Fair enough. Even considering the system, it could probably be a C tier.
17:59 Not Pink Gold Peach??
It was certainly close between those two.
Fun video, although I feel like Koopa Troopa isn’t THAT necessary of a character
I mean... he shows up in basically every mainline game. Who else matches that? Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, and Goomba and thats basically it.
You missed super mario maker 2 the original mario maker doesn't have a roster but in smm2 you can play as Mario, Luigi, Toad, or Toadette.
I decided not to do platformers in this video, so Mario Maker 2 and Mario Wonder and 3D World aren't in there.
For me, they should change Diddy kong to Didi Kong
Apricot is a solid addition tbh
Cool video but I wished you added the Mario Kart arcade games, the mobile games and also the Mario and Sonic games excluding the Sonic characters.
Fair enough. I considered doing them but the video was getting pretty long already.
Mario Tennis on Virtual Boy Missing
Oh come on I mentioned it didn’t I
It’s strange that your “weirdest inclusion” would be peachette for MK8DX instead of one of the non Mario characters
I decided not to include the crossover characters in the running.
blooper deserves better
Truth. I totally hope he is playable in the next Mario Kart it would be so funny.
Where is fortune street?
I did not know that game existed until now! I’ll have to check it out!
@lapse3721 don't get your hopes up if you don't like monopoly
My roster:
1-mario
2-luigi
3-peach
4-daisy
5-rosalina
6-pauline
7-wario
8-waluigi
9-yoshi
10-birdo
11-toad
12-toadette
13-bowser
14-bowser jr
15-kamek
16-king boo
17-petey piranha
18-boom boom
19-koopa
20-goomba
21-dry bones
22-shy guy
23-ninji
24-wiggler
25-donkey kong
26-diddy kong
27-paper mario
28-e gadd
29-9 volt
30-mii
You're mostly just judging the size of the rosters, MK64 has the best balance with the most variety of types of characters and no filler clone characters like Daisy, Waluigi, and Toadette, and also no generic interchangeable enemies like Koopa and Boo.
Exactly!
Well I wouldn't say Daisy, Waluigi and Toadette are clones, but I agree that MK64 has the purest roster.
I think it's absurd to say Tennis Aces is better when half the characters are interchangeable Bowser's minions that have no reason to be there. Quantity isn't quality.
I like Daisy, Waluigi, and Toadette, I'm just saying that they're extensions of pre existing characters.
Mario is the main character, Luigi is the sidekick/partner, Peach is the love interest, Toad is the supporting character, Yoshi is the pet/mount/animal, Bowser is the villain, Wario is the rival, and DK is the external frenemy that also represents Mario's pre-SMB days.
Daisy is another love interest, Waluigi is another rival, and Toadette is another supporting character. They don't really add a lot of variety.
I see where you’re coming from but the various enemies are probably my favorite characters. (Obviously this is very subjective)
I will say that since the Mario series is so light on characterization that visual design and fan following are more important than character traits.
@@Quinhala11Daisy was never a love interest. Get your facts straight.
It's a very solid roster given the technology, times, and overall size. Its biggest weakness by far is only having one woman. Would go Birdo (or Daisy) over Wario for that reason, but there's not any duds here.
I really can't tell if he's joking about koopa troopa or not
Do take into consideration that I’ve never been serious once in my life.
shocked how snubbed koopa troopa is.
you should make a sequel to this but with the mainline games I always hated how they included blue toad and yellow toad over yoshi and wario in new super mario bros Wii
I don't think there's really enough variance in those rosters to do it. Maybe a short?
@lapse3721 still would be interesting otherwise.
Justice for Koopa Toad and Diddy
not that diddy though lol
"the weirdest inclusion is toadette" for double dash?? paratroopa is right there
Toadette was the Pink Gold Peach of her time. She was invented whole cloth for double dash.