Ice Cube vs Biggie Smalls: Who Was The Better Storyteller?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Yanadameen Godcast episode 274, segment #1
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I am glad Cube is getting his flowers AGAIN. It’s crazy how we take this man for granted.
His resume is LEGENDARY and all the while he takes care of his family and stays away from the stupidity! Salute to Cube!!!!
We truly take Cube for granted. So true. Scarface, Tupac, & yes, Biggie Smalls ALL based their entire style on Cube. Scarface even calls Cube his idol.
yes we need to praise brothers doing the right thing n staying out of trouble
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I love BIG, but Cube wrote classic albums and screenplays for the culture. For starters Friday is timeless.
We talking rap or pop culture?
I love both, but cube had a history of stealing beats/ lyrics and supposedly had ghostwriters after his first couple albums , kinda looked at cube different after that ,still a goat
You say that like Both BIGs albums aren’t classic.
The original question on drink champs was about music with that being said idk who the better story teller is it’s a hard answer.
Due to the fact, that Ice Cube may have been on the Entertainment Scene a little longer than BIG.. NWA was on the scene ever since the late 80s
@@brianbonilla9276No. Cube even made a song about that mockin it in Jackin 4 Beats w/Too Short making a cameo on the intro
Ice Cube hands down. Gangsta’s Fairytale 1 and 2, Just Another Day in the Projects, Summer Vacation, Dumb, Today was A Good Day, his first 3 albums were like a goddamn movie fr
Just to name a few of cubes songs
@@foemoe26 name one Biggie track that told a story better than those songs I named right there. Biggies best storytelling songs are literally Me & My B*tch and I Got A Story To Tell. Cube’s whole first 3 albums were all basically stories so it’s not a contest fr besides Biggie didn’t have enough time in the game tbh
Suicidal Thoughts, Gimmie the Loot, Warning, Everyday Struggle (My favorite), Somebody gotta die, Niggas Bleed, I got a story to tell, Your Nobody, Ten Crack commandment.
The Black Alfred Hitchcock. That’s just off 2 albums. Imagine if Biggie was still alive??? Ice is a great writer. Biggie is a better story teller. He is more descriptive in his story telling.
Since it's on, I call my nigga Arizona Ron
From Tucson, push the black Yukon
Usually had the slow grooves on
Mostly rock the Isley
Stupid as a youngin', chose not to move wisely
Sharper with game, him and his crooks, caught a jooks
He describes the characters in his rhymes. When I listen to Niggas Bleed, it’s like watching a movie. At the end of the day you can’t go wrong with either one.
Don't forget "Color Blind"
@vdoc2760 Summer Vacation wasn't like a Movie?then you got I wanna Kill Sam, Product, Today was a Good Day, even Nigga You Love the Hate was a story, Juvenile(for Eazy E),Boys In The Hood(for Eazy E), Who's The Mack, Tales From the Darkside
Cube had stories most of his songs were Stories.
Jamar you just hit it out the park… I been tellin cats for YEARS that Cube needs his respect for navigating the land while still executing. I’m sure being raised by a real father instilled something in Cube that a lot us may lack. Got love for Pac but he moved emotionally and that’s a NO-NO in the field. Hence he chased power and protection from crew to crew eventually becoming a piñata on both coast. He was young and would have learned eventually but he was speeding and out of control. Cube always moved like a vet. Shout out to his Pops 💪🏾
This don't make no sense
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Great breakdown
@@thelastdon9000It does make sense
Pac was a crash dummy, he acted like a female. Yeah some songs were dope(only his originals and everything produced by Johnny j)
Feels great hearing an EastCoast Legend giving our West Legends flowers and love !!! Great take Lord Jamar 💪🏿💯 LA in the building
West coast niggas still seeking for east coast niggas approval in 2023. Smh
Cube could spit. His verse on Grande Finale and his verse on Straight Outta Compton could put most east coast dudes to rest.
Ice Cube was talking about things 30 years ago that is still relevant today.
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Ice cube was 19 when he helped write Eazy Duz it and Straight Outta Compton , 20 years old when he wrote AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted and 21 when he wrote Death Certificate . So he had 4 classics already under his belt before B.I.G even came out .
Waaay ahead of the game
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I’m from Brooklyn but I’m sick of this biased shit Ice cube all day!!!!!!
EXACTLY for 1 none of the Newer rappers mid 90’s on really respect the Pioneers. ICE CUBE is the brains of a genre aka gangster rap/rappers a whole genre when rap/rappers were fighting against the machine.
Ice Cube gets alot of credit for stuff that DOC wrote. DOC is underrated.
Without Ice Cube, there would not be a path for Biggie. Instead of vs. it should be about how Biggie excelled where Ice Cube left off.
Now this is funny 😂😂
@@Twin_shawn021it might be funny but the timeline of who was rhyming first is factual as well. This topic is like saying Nas is better than Rakim when Rakim invented the Scientific Flow which helped Nas find a way for his own unique flow. Everything does not have to be competitive, some things are actually building blocks for new levels.
@@shaunlaisfilmYeah that part well said
That might be true if Guys like Big didn't grow up idolizing BDK.
@@seanharris3569BDK & Slick Rick hoversnright in there with the Ice Cube time frame of rhyming.
We have to remember that Ice Cube was showing us a Los Angeles landscape & that does not take away from BDK or Slick Rick but it adds another level to storytelling that was not just about the 5 boroughs.
Biggie had a song, "Going Back to Cali.," & if I had to take a guess, he had to be thinking about Ice Cube or N.W.A. in some capacity.
Ice Cube for me. Biggie definitely painted a great visual but had a way shorter catalog than Ice Cube.
Lol
Ice Cube “ What Can I Do “ and “ Robin’ Hood “ were two classics with the storytelling !
"Alive on Arrival" on death certificate was storytelling at it's finest. I wanna say the track was #13 on the album
Yeeessss
classic album his best one ,that joint had dr Khalid on death and birth
And "Us" was hard
@@HollyCain44facts
I remember in 92 my cousin got jumped by a brother and sister who were like 8 and 10 years old. I had to ask him "was it gangbangers?".
My patna replied immediately
" had to be".😅😅😅😅
I'm rolling with Ice Cube people forget he wrote Eazy E first Album
Ren and D.O.C. contributed to the album too
He didn't write Eazy E album, The D.O.C. and MC Ren played a significant roll also with them lyrics. Ice Cube did make an album called Lethal Injection around the same time his mentor Eric Wright died but we forget about that history huh ?
@@funkythangzprod3446 internet kids don't do research. SO EASY SAID IT IN HIS SONG kid.
@@kharyvines6971 Because it's not the responsibility of the child to research the responsibility falls on these wicked adults to protect these babies
@@funkythangzprod3446 GOOD EXCUSE TO BE IGNORANT and WRONG
NOW JUST APOLOGIZE
Much RESPECT from The Bay Area! ✊🏾
Thank you for mentioning Ice Cube's conscious lyrics. He doesn't get enough credit for that. That song that you referenced is the 1991 single "Steady Mobbin".
I was visiting Hawaii from Brooklyn in 89. It was the first time I heard F the police. And I was like who is this giant voice. Ice Cube is amazing! Then he made A most wanted and that was my soundtrack for over 2 years. I missed him when he played the Apollo back then. I was in Tokyo in 91and he was playing a small club the following week in Roppongi. And I was heading back to Hawaii. I finally saw him in NYC at Rock the bells. He is in the vain for me with a Slick Rick or Melle Mel. But he took it to a whole other level.
Cube was puttin us on to knowledge of self
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Steady mobbin- ice cube 🔥 classic
"Jumped back in my lowrider.. coming out feeling about 10ibs lighter...went to bones house so I could get the gat... looking for the place where all the hoes kick it at"
..put on my white Ewing, I'm out da door all you might get is a rubber on the floor
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Bird in A Bush. Underrated!! Cube is the greatest storyteller of all time
That song summed up the struggle of the young black man so perfectly
Fresh Outta school cause I was a high school grad
I was just rapping that song and pet spot.
Down at pet spot, it's me JD and they selling more birds 🐦 than pet shop. The spots hot and everybody nervous that's when the blue car served us
a bird in a hand
Dumb shit was a classic as well
Ice Cube for sure.. 1st four albums are smashing most other rap albums out there - plus he had street raps and knowledge raps that meant something..Don’t forget his unique amazing voice…
Once Upon In The Projects is my favorite Cube story telling song follow by Summer Vacation.
The one song that did it for me with cube was ghetto vet. Nobody never really bring this song up but the storytelling was amazing. Made you visualize everything he was talking about. It almost felt like a west coast movie made into a song. Told a story about the other side of gang banging that dont end well. One of my favorite cube songs
Ghetto vet remains one of the best gang life stories ever told.
@@ubanwogu1185 felt like a opening scene to a movie. From taking out the trash to the due on the grass and some gangstas pulling up on him on a 🚲 classic! During a time when rappers only glorified gang life he told the other side which might have saved a life who knows?!?
Great song perfect piano beat, you can feel the song
There’s a song on Death Certificate called ALIVE ON ARRIVAL. When you hear Ice Cube on that song, you can easily vision it.
I always picture Caine being taken to the hospital after getting carjacked in Menace
Easily 💯💯
@@papertagsThat might have been where they got it from 🤔
@peaceispriceless6051 yeah there's a lot of stuff in Menace that reminded me of Death Certificate
@@papertags 🤔 For me, I saw a lot of similarities to Boyz N The Hood in there.
Ice Cube all day. Big mostly told segments of various stories in 2 or 3 lines throughout a song. "Gimme the loot", "Warning", "Respect", and "Things done changed" were a few stand out songs that told stories from start to finish. Meanwhile, Cube's songs on his first 3 albums all told stories start to finish. Even his "Kill at Will" EP were 'start to finish' stories. But when you get to the "We be clubbin'" era Ice Cube, I can't cosign it.
Bruh what are you talking about he had ghetto vet and a platinum album with a movie and a platinum soundtrack and came back with lil Jon .ice cube has a cold discography with like one miss
@@thelastdon9000He did his thing early in his career. His music faded in the early 2000s.
@@thelastdon9000 I'm gonna' need you to work on that reading comprehension. The topic was about best story-telling rhymes...not about movies...so I don't why some of you keep bringing up Cube's movies into the discussion. And the last part of my comment was just my opinion...and in that opinion, Lethal Injection was Cube's last album that had that energy and sound that put Cube on the map...and that is the Bomb Squad and Sir Jinx / Lynchmob era Cube. If you like the "We be clubbin'" and lil Jon era Cube music, it's ok.....there's medication for your condition. lol
You got to listen to Laugh now cry later and raw footage 😊
Suicidal thoughts? Me and my bi**h?
Ice cube's You can't fade me is one of the clearest stories on record
Ice Cube hands down for me. Just the body of work no disrespect to Biggie but Cube has full albums entire catalogs of stories Once Upon Time In The Projects, Today Was A Good Day, Can't Fade Me, My Summer Vacation, The Product, Steady Mobbin, How To Survive in South Central, Gangsta Gangsta, Why We Thugs, etc
Ice Cube was doing his mutha phuggin thing! Cube hands down.
Salute to you SIR.
Before I clicked I expected bias.
You are a solid stand up man for this honest take as a New Yorker!
I've NEVER heard a story like "Once Upon A Time In The Projects", but at the same time, I've NEVER cried at the end of a story like "Somebody's Gotta Die". When Jason turn around holdin' his daughter, that fucked me up. 😔
But the GOAT is, hands down, Ice Cube. Not Jay Z, not Tupac, not Biggie. 🐐🤷🏿♂️
Indeed
Pac is the 🐐 now chill lol
@@KillaCor3364 false, he didn't do enough, catalog isn't big enough. 🤷🏿♂️
@@jayjonah1227 pac 1st 3 albums classics. Not to mention Macavelli
@@KillaCor3364 Still isn't more than what Ice Cube has done. 🤷🏿♂️
I'm from Brooklyn so that's a given who I got but when you think of Cube & Big nobody never put them in the same category
Storytelling doesn’t require super-lyricsm. If you feel like your there its done its job. Big has some great descriptions in his storytelling, but Cube has a larger sample size.
Cubes legacy towers over BIG. “Deep like the mind of Farrakhan a MFn rap phenomenon”
Yes. Excellent unbiased answer. Thank you
thank you for keeping it real bro
Why everybody forget about Scarface One of the best storytellers
Nobody forgot bout him that wasn't the debate. Relax😅
Summer Vacation, Alive ON Arrival, Black Korea the list goes on and this is off one album. Biggie is a great story teller. The fact that we even putting him against Cube says another but I gotta go with Cube on this one
Eazy-E - Nobody Move
Ice Cube - The Bomb
Once Upon a Time in The Projects
You Cant Fade Me
Gangsters Fairytale
My Summer Vacation
Lil Ass G
It Was A Good Day
Dead Homiez
What They Hittin Foe
Ren wrote Nobody Move
alive on arrival
ghetto bird
ghetto vet
a bird in the hand
color blind
how to survive in south central
Answer: iceCube you swayed me
But Cube did Write Hella movies!
Cube did Friday, 4 solo albums and Str8 Outta Compton with NWA by the age of 24, Biggie did 2 solo albums by the age of 24.
That's one way of saying something while also leaving alot out.
Big and it’s not close….and NWA was my favorite group growing up
❤you guys did such a great job at the show last Friday.
It was amazing and so much fun.
The entire audience stood up for entire show, 3hrs.
We are talking mainly about Cubes 1st albums too and he was probably younger than Big. That was an era where the young men wanted to come off like grown men
Now the grown men wanna be Lil' this or that
Just became a new subscriber today bro, love how u kept it real…
Cube , you can’t fade me
Biggie on wax is the superior rappr/storyteller, way more vivid, slick and witty. Big hit every cylinder as an Emcee at the highest level, from the streets, storytelling and commercial/radio hits.
😂😂namen3 songs
@@dryinkdryink675 Somebody's Gotta Die, the end sequence of Niggas Bleed, the stories on Miss U... and I haven't even touched Ready to Die songs. I have mad respect for Cube, and it's also hard to compare Cube and Big (different eras, even though they overlapped-as we can see in Jamar's more golden-age audience going for Cube by a landslide). Cube's Once Upon A Time In The Projects will never fail to hit me on so many levels, from humor to serious message behind it all. I don't think Cube in his prime is really on the same level as Big though-I think the original commenter here got it right for one thing in pointing to Big's versatility.
K-Rino, Scarface and Ice Cube are unbelievably underrated.
A Bird in the Hand, Burn Hollywood Burn, Once Upon A Time in the Projects, The Product, Dead Homiez, Summer Vacation, & True to the Game. Just to name a few
I like Biggie better but Cube was a master story teller.
Cube had two classic albums before he was 23
Biggie albums are way better than Cube
@@shawtyeatemup1352 Let me see...Cube majority writer for NWA, classic solo albums: " Amerikkka' s Most Wanted " & " Death Certificate ".....1/3rd Of the platinum group " Westside Connection " & now 1/4th of the legendary group " Mt. Westmore ", yeah biggie was much better 🙄
@@TheTruthAllDay man ain't nobody listening to Mt whatever FOH 😂🤣😭😭😭
@@shawtyeatemup1352 The only people who believe biggie was better than cube is silly, Cube has one of the top 5 classic disses ever.
I'm rolling with Cube!!!
These 3 songs come to mind
when it comes to how ill Ice Cube is.
Once upon a time in the projects.
My Summer Vacation
No Vasoline
This shouldn’t have even been a debate 💯
At 10:09 the song is Steady Mobing, Lord Jamar amazing underrated song.
Cube's stories were better & the beat was on the same message. He was teaching, educating & on top of street politics & not putting up with the white supremacists & police letting them know how it's gonna go down, with his music. Biggie was just rapping about some shit he did the other day in an entertaining way. Cube's songs Wicked, When will they shoot, Enemy, & The Bomb, are songs Black Americans need to listen to today. Also, Cube wrote & stared in classic movies, that told great stories.
Cube Story songs
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1. Summer Vacation
2. Geto Get
3. Lil ass G
4. How to survive in South Central
5. Ghetto Bird
It goes on and on
Both are great,let’s leave it at that
They're the same. People not looking at the "art" of story telling. The point is. Can you tell a story and deliver. They both did it very well. If you can visualize and put yourself in the story as the artist is rapping then mission accomplished.
Great take and thanks for the honesty, I don't understand whybhe doesn't get the credit he deserves. His raps are full of game
Cube was rockin with P.E., then P.E., and Big Daddy K.A.N.E on Burn Hollywood Burn, Dr. Khallid Muhammad on his Death Certificate album, so yeah, his conciousness is accelerated, and he reported on the injustice that he seen and experienced before that. 2 different generations. Cube's environment molded his storytellin' abilities to a higher level, before BIG was on the scene. Color Blind, No Vaseline, and How to Survive in South Central to name a few. Cube got the props!!!
Peace
I remember that link with KM. Then people were spazzin .. because his lyrics in Death Certificate were THAT much more detailed .. as if they already weren't ..
One of the greatest names ever too. Phucking "Ice Cube!" Literally cold as hell
Ice Cube hands down
My Top 5 Hip Hop Story Tellers ; Slick Rick, Ice Cube, Scarface , Nas and Andre 3000.
Ps Rakim and Lupe are amazing as well.
Pps "Huh, now today is tomorrow
Ice Cube is live at the Apollo" - Eric Sermon
Great List my BROTHER! ✊🏿
SAD YOU INTERNET GUYS FOLLOWS
SLICK RICK HAD A COUPLE OF fuckn SONGS. PLEASE NAME 5 THAT WAS CLASSICS
Cube, no question. Popular mainstream, new Jack's will say what's already been said. True hip-hop connoisseurs will speak the truth no matter what region you're from.
Tony Yayo: "TODAY'S AGENDA!"
😂 Respect to both. RIP Biggie.
My boy. Always deliver the real
Rap Alfred Hitchcock!! Without a doubt. But Big learned from his predecessors and his moms being a Jamaican english teacher really honed his skills
Means nothing, he never said shit of worth, just hoes, beating bitches, selling crack to pregnant women
Mad respect for keeping it 100
Had Big been alive i believe he would’ve been writing screenplays too. Might’ve even have Pac act in a few. Lol
Gonna have to roll with Cube tho
Please protect this dude at all costs. Love the truth. 😊
YOOO UUU HAD THE LOOK AWAY LIKE CHOKE NO JOKE!!! LOL I LOOOOVE IT BRO
Ps. The song Go Hard (Grand Puba) has a sample (loop) from The Spinners - He'll Never Love You Like I Do.
Ice Cube:
1) once upon a Time in the projects
2) it was a good day
3) my summer vacation
4) what can I do
5) gangster's fairy tale
Cube has the larger body of work so I would give it to him based off quantity. The quality of both story telling was top notch elite level. Biggie had humor Cube had the relatability edge. Both was vivid Biggie is just short on what we can reference
Cube has a song titled Lil Ass G that tells a story of a kid growing up in gang culture and ending up in prison is one of the best stories ever told. Bird in the Hand is another one
Listen to gangsta fairytale, off his first album, where he turned all the fairytale characters into ghetto residents
Once upon a time in the projects
Few minutes after he said Cube, I checked out. I respect Lord Jumar. But, Biggies a different class. ✌🏾
“I’m seeing body after body
And the mayor julianni
Ain’t trying to see black man turn to John gotti”
I don’t wanna live no mo song
Biggie most cautious lyric
Biggie( No Question)I Respect what Cube has accomplished outside of Rap but I Easley pick Biggie ( The Best Lyricist and Storyteller💯
Ice Cube was dope back in his day. I mean once upon a time in the projects for example.
Not only was cube conscious in his music, but also when it comes to the movie Friday he gave one of the most important stories with a very meaningful and powerful message when it comes to youth using a firearm to back themselves up against a rival. He had the OG Mr. John Witherspoon talk to his son and explain to him that killing someone isn’t going to make you a man. YOU WIN SOME, YOU LOSE SOME, BUT YOU LIVE! LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY! That right there as kid spoke to me and till this very day I think about it and how much that was needed back then and how it’s still very important and relevant in todays age!
Cube was 16 when he came out with N.W.A. so he was in his early 20's when he was dropping all his solo classics!
He was 17 when the group formed but yeah you’re right.
Prime ice cube was the better story teller and he had more content let's not forget about his first 2 albums alone without even mentioning the nwa stuff cube was coming out with stuff that was unheard of at that time 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💯
I love the honesty !!
Peace to the God, yeah Biggie and Cube are official wit it...... Born Universal truth...., , Nas I gave you power is the best storytelling song I ever heard hands down💯🦅🐢🦬 Peace God
I take REWIND over that.
They both painted incredible pictures , i use to get into these debates and grew to understand , i will not pit great Artist against each other no more, the more people debate who is better or who is top 5 or 10 always lead to demeaning one Artist for the other when Great Artist are Great, , Uplift all the Greats , respect what each brought to the Table in this Incredible culture , no more tearing down one for the other , everyone has favorite Artist , the type Art that appeals to you , as long as they are incredible with the writing , i respect it, beyond Ego of who is the best , what Nas is doing at the level he is doing it at the age he is doing it , is blazing a path for all the Artist behind him that they can too , right now he is contributing to this culture in a major way , Peace
Yes but ntg wrong to say who better rapper or story teller biggie is nt ice cube level
Cruisin' down the street in my '64
Jockin' the bitches, clockin' the dough
Went to the park to get the scoop
Thank the Lord for showing no bias and calling it like it is.
Real talk. People forget about Kool G Rap storytelling. And one of my favorites is Project Pat
G Rap is the truth Mobstas
Kool G Rap for sure and Scarface
Damn, respect on the rap wingspan! Pat's ON NIGGA & G Rap ROAD TO RICHES are great!
Juicy, Everyday Struggle ,Things done change,Sky is the Limit, Missing you, Got a story to tell,the list of Story Telling classics from Biggie is endless
Endless? I'm from NY n love big but he didn't have enough work in his catalog
@@Shaheim320 He had enough when it comes to Story Telling Classics
I don't think you're familiar with Cube's entire body of work. I was there for both eras. Cube's stories far outweighs Biggie's. Cube touched on way more subject material
@@alkuya546but not enough to compare to Cube!🤷🏿♂️
@@mellofello6792 the conversation is not about volume but quality of work and Biggie has the better quality,made more of an impact because he brought a whole Coast back
Since it's solely based on story Telling.. u gotta include All of ice cube's movies too..
He wrote those stories so they count..
Id go with Cube My summer vacation) Ghetto Bird) it was a good day) Once up a time in the projects) You can’t fade me)
Comparing Biggie to Cube in storytelling is disrespectful and plain ignorance or just D ridin. BIG is dope, but not on Cube’s level. Never! BIG wouldn’t be half famous if not for the PAC beef. Let’s be honest.
Cube started early, did Nwa, went solo and he murked it all. He was already solidified in nwa before he went solo. Fuck y’all even talking bout, Cube inspired your GOATs. He is an Icon. Don’t play with him. Ever!
Steady Mobb'n, Ice Cube - 4,5 ninjas in the mothership!!
Love them both.. But Cube stories was insane
LORD Js take on this is gonna be important....watching
Ice Cube was 18 when Straight Outta Compton came out. And he wrote most of it. Then he went solo and hit us with Death Certificate. Probably the best first 2 albums of anybody in hip hop. I think only Outkast's first 2 albums can even be in that conversation
Ice Cube writes Movies....“I'm a real one, I don't pretend.”
Once Upon Of Time In The PJ'S, is one of my all-time favorite, you know a song is hard, when you wished you made it. Cube should of made a video to that song, because I did, in my mind. Lol
PEACE 7
Love LORD JAMAR 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽💯💯💯💯
Knowledge is the foundation to intelligence ✨️ 👌
They both elite in that category along with G Rap and Slick Rick and I am a dude from the Bronx
Ice cube” once upon a time in the projects “