Don’t forget to keep in mind when you raise the forks in the triple clamps you are changing the rake angle. That will make the bike quicker to turn but less stable at higher speed.
What higher speeds are you talking about?. Reason why I ask is I have a 2021 mt07 and I cannot sit flat footed on it. I thought about putting lifts in my boots. I bought a rear lowering link. I don't stunt, no wheelies, no off ròad, I just want to cruise. I'm brand new to riding and I don't know what to do. All I know is I would feel more confident if both of my feet were flat when stopped on my bike. Ride Safe my friend.
Hi, ‘Enjoyed your Vids on lowering mods to the WR250r. Good narrative on what you’re doing and why, along with better camera work/editing than we see in many RUclips videos. When I got my WR250r I had the dealer install the lowering link and lower the forks. I switched out the stock seat for the lower Seat Concepts seat. However, the bike is still taller than I’m comfortable riding. In addition to having really short legs (26.5” inseam on a good day) I’m also a cubby old geezer, somewhat out of shape, with all the stiffness and decreased agility that brings. I talked to a Yamaha Rep at the Chicago bike show who suggested having a dealer or suspension shop cut the front fork tubes and springs which could get up to about 4” additional lowering (not counting the lowered seat). I’m looking in to getting that done, but also open to any other reasonable suggestion. And before anyone gets started, I’m not going to give the bike to my 30 year old son, buy a scooter, or whatever…
We are about the same size, (I am just a touch taller), and rode and raced MX for decades on 250cc MX bikes. After 18 years of not riding, (last bike was a 97 KX250), I just picked up a 2019 YZ250. The bikes got taller, (following the 4-strokes, which had to be taller), and am lowering it now, with a variety of mods that will only lose about 1" of ground clearance, and still be able to hammer the most whooped out trails in Michigan. 1st, I need stiffer springs because I weigh more now. The proper rear spring will lower my free sag 15mm, (to achieve the proper 30mm of free sag). I bought the pro circuit link which is 1.5mm longer than stock, and will lower the rear end by about 6mm. I am shortening the shock top out to lose .900" of travel, and the forks to lose .750" of travel. I am having my sub-frame modified so it is adjustable, ("PR2 racing" in PA. has done the internal fork/shock work, added the correct springs and modified the sub-frame), and I am lowering the seat by 1" ("JB Sport Trim" in Gowen MI.). Why are the 2-strokes so tall today? My guess it is because of the younger generations now employed with the magazines have complained too much about "The chassis need to be updated", and the factories left made them 4-stroke tall. Good for the after market, but a good thing I bought the less expensive Yamaha over the too tall super expensive Husky/KTM. Getting old here. I bought my first YZ (a new YZ100) 42 years ago. :)
Wait...so the Yamalink only lowers the bike by about 0.7", but if you just do the "stock lowering" (that you referred to in this video), it would lower it by 0.5"?? That means the Yamalink is only giving you an extra 0.2" to what you could do without it.
I did the adjustment lower and it went down a little more then 1/2 inch helped the yamalink though I dont think ill do for such small results and shaving the seat down is a no go its hard enough already and on longer rides i wish I had something more comfortable may get something else on my 2019
Im 5`8 and ride the bike stock height no issues. I found it high at first but i just learned and got used to it and im glad i did because i need all the clearance i can get. I live in the Franklin / wrentham state forest area HM up next time you go
Do you have to lower the forks? I’m gunna be installing a one inch lowering link to my crf450L next week and was curious if I could get away with leaving the front forks as is
He does not know what he is doing. First, you set your rider sag, (you on the bike in your riding position, that number subtracted from the measurement with the bike on a stand, with the wheel off the ground, (full extension). You set your rider sag to about 33% of the total wheel travel, (12 travel, 4" of rider sag approx.). Then, to tell if the spring is too stiff or too light, you take that same measurement with the wheel off the ground, and subtract the height with the bike only on the ground. You should have about 20-25mm of compression with just the bike weight. I was measuring 13mm on mine, so I had to go to a stiffer spring. (stiffer spring for more static sag, just the bike weight, sounds backwards, but it is not). This is correct information, industry standard.
I want to buy a wr250r but i'm 167cm tall....how the bike works with the link now? It would be still hight for me or perfect with the link, what do you think about?
Thank you for doing this video , interested to see how you like it , and if it changes the feel of the bike . I have a 2013 Wr250r(bought it a year ago ) and did the moose racing skid plate , (watched your vid ) , tusk tail rack (was cheaper then most ) , and put a wolf man tail bag ...looks like it came factory on bike ...I also bought the seat concepts low seat on it , did not lower bike all that much :( ...still I love the bike ...
Cool. I think the black moose skid plate looks better than the aluminum. I just wish it wasn't so expensive. I'll be trying out the Yamalink but it's supposed to snow in MA tomorrow!!!
Jammarules I think the plastic is not going to rattle or vibrate(or resonate sound back ) as much as aluminum, we are supposed to get some of that bad weather in NY to .look forward to your thoughts on that lowering link .
FYI..... 20mm is approx. 1/2 inch. There are other lowering links that will lower 2 inches or slightly more, one even being adjustable if you aren't sure how low you want it to go. Keep in mind you will also lower your ground clearance as well. Your suspension travel will also be affected..
12.7mm is 1/2". If you make the bike lower with a suspension pull link, if the rear suspension bottoms out, your wheel will try to go into your fender by how ever much it was lowered. The Link does not shorten the travel, it just shirts it into your fender.
I may have spent close to a grand lowering my YZ250 2-stroke. Now it feels great in every kind of corner, and not just a berm. Heck yes it was worth it to me. Properly set up, the bike is twice as much fun to ride, and I bet it handles better than any modern stock bike today.
It's probably more like 20mm the further back you measure from the fulcrum. I know I sit much further back on the seat than where you're measuring from
Unless you have that cool tool "MoTool Slacker", it is almost impossible to get an accurate sag setting by your self with out somebody helping you. This guy did it wrong from the beginning. The measurement with the bike on the kickstand means nothing. The wheel needed to be off the ground for that measurement. If you want your bike to handle the best it can, lowering the suspension is a lot trickier than anybody I have seen on YT doing it understands.
I don't like the lowering links because they do not reduce the top out travel, but shifts the travel up. So if you lowered it by .5 inches with a longer pull link, the tire when bottoming out will try to go .5 inches into the bottom of your fender. By the way, that is no way to measure your sag. No shortage of improper practice on YT.
So I should buy a kids bike because I don’t have long legs? I couldn’t get a kid bike road registered and it would be under powered. Makes a lot more sense buy a bike that suits my style of riding and adjust the height.
I wanted a 250cc MX 2-stroke, and only Yamaha is affordable,--but they are all probably too tall for anybody under 5'10". I fixed mine correctly, and I dropped the lowering link because what ever you lower it, that is the distance that the wheel tries to go into your rear fender if you bottom out, (this guy does not ride well enough to know he screwed it up, and I know it).
i don't get the point- so what effort did you made lowering 1,5 inch? - in my understanding, thats nothing- you can't even put your feet lully on the ground?? and by doing this you destroy bikes geometry
I lowered my YZ250 2-stroke 1.75 inches total, (1" in the seat, and .75" off the suspension rear and front), and it it probably just a tad lower than my lowest 250MX bike in the past, (still with 12" of suspension travel). Believe me, I can touch the ground now (I am 5'9" tall), and it handles better than any stock modern MX bike made today. Ricky Carmichael had his bike real low, and won 15 championships. Husky makes a 1" lower bike now (added to their line up), and MXA said they like it better,---but they don't know why. Of course they do. You don't need a berm to turn it. These tall bikes today are just irrational. Tall bikes do not run as well, and that is a matter of physics. For better performance though, you do need to do it right. I don't like "lowering links" They actually shift the travel up into your rear fender, and not actually reduce the amount of travel, (which you want to do as little as possible).
@@EarthSurferUSA i actually put the lowering link in and havnt noticed a difference at all in performance, other than i can touch the ground now on both sides instead on one side lolol , but i liked a high seat height , it made cornering an easy task haha . Cheers all in all the lowering link def helped out alot tho for a ahort guy like me at about 5"7 i can ride the bike more comfortably especially on the road when you need to stop for a red light being able to touch with both feet helps lol not necessary tho , but i use this bike more for off road and stuff only weigh 135-140 so jumping this bike is pretty easy and not so hard on it like the 200lb guys riding them are lol , rhia bikw is a jack of all trades but mastee of none lol . And i love it . Very low maintenance . I have 17,000km on it ao far mostly trail riding
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Don’t forget to keep in mind when you raise the forks in the triple clamps you are changing the rake angle. That will make the bike quicker to turn but less stable at higher speed.
What higher speeds are you talking about?. Reason why I ask is I have a 2021 mt07 and I cannot sit flat footed on it. I thought about putting lifts in my boots. I bought a rear lowering link. I don't stunt, no wheelies, no off ròad, I just want to cruise. I'm brand new to riding and I don't know what to do. All I know is I would feel more confident if both of my feet were flat when stopped on my bike. Ride Safe my friend.
Hi, ‘Enjoyed your Vids on lowering mods to the WR250r. Good narrative on what you’re doing and why, along with better camera work/editing than we see in many RUclips videos.
When I got my WR250r I had the dealer install the lowering link and lower the forks. I switched out the stock seat for the lower Seat Concepts seat. However, the bike is still taller than I’m comfortable riding. In addition to having really short legs (26.5” inseam on a good day) I’m also a cubby old geezer, somewhat out of shape, with all the stiffness and decreased agility that brings. I talked to a Yamaha Rep at the Chicago bike show who suggested having a dealer or suspension shop cut the front fork tubes and springs which could get up to about 4” additional lowering (not counting the lowered seat). I’m looking in to getting that done, but also open to any other reasonable suggestion. And before anyone gets started, I’m not going to give the bike to my 30 year old son, buy a scooter, or whatever…
How are you getting on Lee?
I'm in same boat 30in INSEAM 5'8" anything and everything to be able to touch im doing ..gr8 job MR..ill be watching
We are about the same size, (I am just a touch taller), and rode and raced MX for decades on 250cc MX bikes. After 18 years of not riding, (last bike was a 97 KX250), I just picked up a 2019 YZ250. The bikes got taller, (following the 4-strokes, which had to be taller), and am lowering it now, with a variety of mods that will only lose about 1" of ground clearance, and still be able to hammer the most whooped out trails in Michigan. 1st, I need stiffer springs because I weigh more now. The proper rear spring will lower my free sag 15mm, (to achieve the proper 30mm of free sag). I bought the pro circuit link which is 1.5mm longer than stock, and will lower the rear end by about 6mm. I am shortening the shock top out to lose .900" of travel, and the forks to lose .750" of travel. I am having my sub-frame modified so it is adjustable, ("PR2 racing" in PA. has done the internal fork/shock work, added the correct springs and modified the sub-frame), and I am lowering the seat by 1" ("JB Sport Trim" in Gowen MI.).
Why are the 2-strokes so tall today? My guess it is because of the younger generations now employed with the magazines have complained too much about "The chassis need to be updated", and the factories left made them 4-stroke tall. Good for the after market, but a good thing I bought the less expensive Yamaha over the too tall super expensive Husky/KTM. Getting old here. I bought my first YZ (a new YZ100) 42 years ago. :)
Wait...so the Yamalink only lowers the bike by about 0.7", but if you just do the "stock lowering" (that you referred to in this video), it would lower it by 0.5"?? That means the Yamalink is only giving you an extra 0.2" to what you could do without it.
Sounds about right...
I did the adjustment lower and it went down a little more then 1/2 inch helped the yamalink though I dont think ill do for such small results and shaving the seat down is a no go its hard enough already and on longer rides i wish I had something more comfortable may get something else on my 2019
Hi, great video! Could you please send a link to where to buy Yamalink? Thank you.
Should do side by side comparisons of you sitting on it. I know you have the older video of you sitting on the stock wr
Good idea. Thanks for the suggestion.
That's what I've been looking for, can't find any such vids!
Im 5`8 and ride the bike stock height no issues. I found it high at first but i just learned and got used to it and im glad i did because i need all the clearance i can get. I live in the Franklin / wrentham state forest area HM up next time you go
Talking Franklin/Wrentham MA?
I wish more channels would fast fwd!
I installed one yesterday now I can get both feet flat. Wasn’t to hard we only loosened the kickstand.
Do you have to lower the forks? I’m gunna be installing a one inch lowering link to my crf450L next week and was curious if I could get away with leaving the front forks as is
Yamalink recommends moving the forks up in the triple clamp 10mm. I'm not sure what they recommend for crf450L.
I'm 5'4, with the right boots I can tiptoe with the butcheek of the bike. Shaving seat and ordering yamalink. Thanks for the video!
Hi,
I'm 168cm. I'm thinking to buy a wr250r if i use lower link will it decrease the vehicle's off-road capability?
Good video interesting. Does 1.50” rider sag mean the spring rate is on the soft side?
He does not know what he is doing. First, you set your rider sag, (you on the bike in your riding position, that number subtracted from the measurement with the bike on a stand, with the wheel off the ground, (full extension). You set your rider sag to about 33% of the total wheel travel, (12 travel, 4" of rider sag approx.).
Then, to tell if the spring is too stiff or too light, you take that same measurement with the wheel off the ground, and subtract the height with the bike only on the ground. You should have about 20-25mm of compression with just the bike weight. I was measuring 13mm on mine, so I had to go to a stiffer spring. (stiffer spring for more static sag, just the bike weight, sounds backwards, but it is not).
This is correct information, industry standard.
I want to buy a wr250r but i'm 167cm tall....how the bike works with the link now? It would be still hight for me or perfect with the link, what do you think about?
Is there a video on you shaving the seat??
Thank you for doing this video , interested to see how you like it , and if it changes the feel of the bike . I have a 2013 Wr250r(bought it a year ago ) and did the moose racing skid plate , (watched your vid ) , tusk tail rack (was cheaper then most ) , and put a wolf man tail bag ...looks like it came factory on bike ...I also bought the seat concepts low seat on it , did not lower bike all that much :( ...still I love the bike ...
Cool. I think the black moose skid plate looks better than the aluminum. I just wish it wasn't so expensive. I'll be trying out the Yamalink but it's supposed to snow in MA tomorrow!!!
Jammarules I think the plastic is not going to rattle or vibrate(or resonate sound back ) as much as aluminum, we are supposed to get some of that bad weather in NY to .look forward to your thoughts on that lowering link .
Well done!!
FYI..... 20mm is approx. 1/2 inch. There are other lowering links that will lower 2 inches or slightly more, one even being adjustable if you aren't sure how low you want it to go. Keep in mind you will also lower your ground clearance as well. Your suspension travel will also be affected..
Sorry.... it's actually .787 inches... I did without paper and screwed it up..
12.7mm is 1/2". If you make the bike lower with a suspension pull link, if the rear suspension bottoms out, your wheel will try to go into your fender by how ever much it was lowered. The Link does not shorten the travel, it just shirts it into your fender.
The Link does not shorten the travel, it just "shifts" it into your fender.
Good day, Where did you buy Yamalink?
What did you think of riding it post yamalink install?
Hopefully, I'll be doing a video testing out the yamalink soon...
Good day, I did not quite understand how much it turned out to understate the motorcycle inches/centimeters. Thanks
The Yamalink by itself lowers the bike approximately 20mm.
Thank you very match
You weigh 150lbs and what is your inseam?
jamma roles thru wit a little thanksgiving vidd
So was it worth 150 bucks and 2hrs work to lower it a 1/2 inch
I may have spent close to a grand lowering my YZ250 2-stroke. Now it feels great in every kind of corner, and not just a berm. Heck yes it was worth it to me. Properly set up, the bike is twice as much fun to ride, and I bet it handles better than any modern stock bike today.
yamalink direct is less expensive and ships faster than ordering through amazon
It's probably more like 20mm the further back you measure from the fulcrum. I know I sit much further back on the seat than where you're measuring from
Unless you have that cool tool "MoTool Slacker", it is almost impossible to get an accurate sag setting by your self with out somebody helping you.
This guy did it wrong from the beginning. The measurement with the bike on the kickstand means nothing. The wheel needed to be off the ground for that measurement.
If you want your bike to handle the best it can, lowering the suspension is a lot trickier than anybody I have seen on YT doing it understands.
You did all of that to lower the seat 20 mm?
20mm could be the difference between having to tip toe vs flat foot. To some of us, that makes the difference
I’m 6’5 should I buy the YamaLink?
Hell no 👍
I’m 6’6 240 lbs and I’m good!
Hungry Rabbit I’m a skinny mf I’m 186 and 6’5
Hell no ..I’m 5:6 I need it ..but could get by without it as I’ve always done
Has the moose plate held up to decent abuse?
Yes. So far so good. It is a little expensive in my opinion. 130 bucks. Aluminum is around 100 I think.
@@jammarules awesome I'm gonna get one then! Thanks appreciate your videos and hard work/time.. safe riding man 🤙
What about how this mod affects handling?
So far, I haven't noticed any difference in handling.
I just bought a 250 with one installed lowered it quite a bit I’m tall so I really did not need it lowered
I don't like the lowering links because they do not reduce the top out travel, but shifts the travel up. So if you lowered it by .5 inches with a longer pull link, the tire when bottoming out will try to go .5 inches into the bottom of your fender.
By the way, that is no way to measure your sag. No shortage of improper practice on YT.
I'm 6ft2 so I don't that issue with mine
How about you buy a bike that you fit on comfortable to start with... just a thought?
So I should buy a kids bike because I don’t have long legs? I couldn’t get a kid bike road registered and it would be under powered. Makes a lot more sense buy a bike that suits my style of riding and adjust the height.
I wanted a 250cc MX 2-stroke, and only Yamaha is affordable,--but they are all probably too tall for anybody under 5'10". I fixed mine correctly, and I dropped the lowering link because what ever you lower it, that is the distance that the wheel tries to go into your rear fender if you bottom out, (this guy does not ride well enough to know he screwed it up, and I know it).
LOL!
i don't get the point- so what effort did you made lowering 1,5 inch? - in my understanding, thats nothing- you can't even put your feet lully on the ground?? and by doing this you destroy bikes geometry
I lowered my YZ250 2-stroke 1.75 inches total, (1" in the seat, and .75" off the suspension rear and front), and it it probably just a tad lower than my lowest 250MX bike in the past, (still with 12" of suspension travel). Believe me, I can touch the ground now (I am 5'9" tall), and it handles better than any stock modern MX bike made today.
Ricky Carmichael had his bike real low, and won 15 championships. Husky makes a 1" lower bike now (added to their line up), and MXA said they like it better,---but they don't know why. Of course they do. You don't need a berm to turn it. These tall bikes today are just irrational. Tall bikes do not run as well, and that is a matter of physics.
For better performance though, you do need to do it right. I don't like "lowering links" They actually shift the travel up into your rear fender, and not actually reduce the amount of travel, (which you want to do as little as possible).
Tall bikes do not (turn) as well
I like sitting high on mine, feels better to me . I might try the yamalink tho since i have one . Im short but still like the stock high seat height.
Not me. If I can't touch the ground, I don't want to ride the bike.
@@EarthSurferUSA i actually put the lowering link in and havnt noticed a difference at all in performance, other than i can touch the ground now on both sides instead on one side lolol , but i liked a high seat height , it made cornering an easy task haha . Cheers all in all the lowering link def helped out alot tho for a ahort guy like me at about 5"7 i can ride the bike more comfortably especially on the road when you need to stop for a red light being able to touch with both feet helps lol not necessary tho , but i use this bike more for off road and stuff only weigh 135-140 so jumping this bike is pretty easy and not so hard on it like the 200lb guys riding them are lol , rhia bikw is a jack of all trades but mastee of none lol . And i love it . Very low maintenance . I have 17,000km on it ao far mostly trail riding