Too Many Questions Created? - Arknights Perish in Frost Episode 8 Reaction & Impressions
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Episode 8 Impressions of Arknights: Perish in Frost. Japanese title Arknights: Fuyukomori Kaerimichi.
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They omitted a very important line from Wei after Kal'tsit tells him that Chernobogs core city is coming towards Lungmen. In the anime he just puffs his pipe, which symbolizes the same thing he is saying in the game, but is way more unclear if you don't understand the implications of his disinterest, in the game he straight up scoffs at the idea that this would be a threat by saying something along the lines "This is not a problem Lungmen can defend itself against something like the core city (with the build in artillery the city has as a border city)..." to which Kal'tsit answers that the core city of Chernobog exclaims that it is a part of Ursus, implying that if you shoot the city that is coming for you, you are essentially starting a war between nations (NOT JUST CITIES), by giving Ursus a reason for war.
Careful, cuz chapter7 start continues that conversation
though they would have to first explain why that part of the city invaded yans borders?!
mfg
Olli
@@SPEEDY4004 Countries in Terra don't have well defined borders like that. Mobile cities move around so the borders is where the cities are.
@@peted2783 Didn't the political map already shows they do have borders?
@@peted2783 go watch those terra geopolitical lectures by kaltsit again
One fun thing during that fight that was easily missed. At one point, Frostnova attacked Blaze with a drone. It came to attack her again, but the Doctor smashed his drone into it to help Blaze. Not much, easy to miss, but he tried to help!
Blaze said she trusted the doctor's eyes because she had never met the doctor before he lost his memories. Ace and Scout however, knew the doctor from before he got amnesia. Scout referred to the past doctor by saying that, "when you look into his eyes, you see victory. You see nothing but victory."
And he also said that, "the doctor is willing to make sacrifices, but he will never waste those sacrifices." Which implied that past doctor was a calculating and highly efficient strategist.
So yeah, quite a big difference from the current doctor.
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Before being a field commander, the doctor was first and foremost an originium researcher, one of the best (if not the best) in the world. Kalt'sit said that without his theories, the world of terra would not be as advanced as it is today.
But when he became field commander, he ended and won the civil war which had been plaguing a country for centuries.
So yeah, the doctor is a different kind of beast 💀
Not to mention he/she is 15000 years old from an ancient race who are all extinct, hugely hinted to be a "Homosapien" after the Lone Trail event in the game.
One dialogue I wish the anime didn't cut from the game was when Amiya said that people are not living pawns, Wei asks:
"Do you play chess, Miss Amiya?"
And Amiya responds,
"Mr. Wei...
Do you play black, or white?"
Oh and this was right before ch'en barges into Wei's room
@@hessianqrow7977maybe they'll open next season with it
@@hessianqrow7977 I am quite sure that the sword in the face scene is at the start of Chapter 7 ,n ot in chapter 6. Like the anime, the story in the game ends halfway through the meeting withthe announcemenet of Chernobog's core city.
@Schwazoom Ah its been a while 😅
Need to re-read that cause I don't remember that phrase.
I appreciate your reviews as an anime only especially for giving this series the attention it deserves when big anime content creator's have ignored this series in favor of mainstream anime its a disservice for the clear passion behind this production 😊
Agreed
the chen discovery was her discovering the wei ordered basically a genocide against the infected with lin and the blackcoats.
it probably wont be covered in the anime at all, but its what the blackcoats are shown to be doing during the game in the chapters
To answer your question about what Ch'en saw in the sewers (they never really showed us but it was quite obvious what she saw down there), it is a pile of corpses.
The crystallisation of Originium becomes more rapid when an Infected person dies, growing in size until it eventually shatter into dust after there is no more organic matter to crystallize.
The fact that the originium crystals became that huge plus the fact that she was complaining that the stench is getting stronger indicates that what she's seeing is a huge pile of Infected corpses.
Anyway, this entire episode was pretty much adapted 1-1 with the final part of Chapter 6. This is pretty much to end it on a cliffhanger to build anticipation for the next chapter.
Yep. All the infected not killed in the purge who tried to evacuate to the sewers were disposed of as well. Out of sight, out of mind. For Ch'en and her ideals, this act was a direct affront to her views for what Lungmen should have been.
i was thinking writing the same thing, it wasnt that clear in the anime, have a like so he might see it too.
FrostNova was already at a terminal stage of Oripathy even if she was still alive and somehow lived until she reached the landship, she most likely would have passed away in the next few days since Rhodes cannot yet cure Oripathy, only supress symptoms and prolong the infected's lives.
Lot of season 3 teasers in the credits of this finale. Wont say more.
Also the frostnova scene....it hurt hearing her voice crack, her ability to finally feel anothers touch...
Amiya standing up for her beliefs to everyone.
The chen and sewer scene is....gruesome its originum cause dead infected were there....a lot of dead thats why she was covering her mouth and nose and why you could hear flies. It was bad.
Also can i note the scene with blazes heat pushing back against fn frost was really cool imo?
Something you misinterpreted i believe is that since chernobog is already of ursus that they were claiming lungmen as part of ursus. At least im pretty sure.
Im excited for you to see season 3 whenever they decide to announce its release.
In game, “This city belongs to Ursus” isn’t claiming Lungmen. It’s a ploy by Reunion. If Lungmen attempted to stop the core, then it could be declared an act of war against Ursus.
@@Infinite_Star right thank you
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I remind you that Kashchei (one of the important people from Ursus) and Wei had a conflict related to Lungmen. So your interpretation is correct, because the old grandfather is still alive.
I cried when I was reading the part where Frostnova dies in game...and I cried again in the anime. Imo it was amazingly done. Also the first time she sang I got goosebumps
@@whitewolf9159 100%
Not really spoilers, just a little context. Chernobog is obviously modelled after Chernobyl, a city under a Tsarist Russian Empire, while Lungmen is essentrially the somewhat self-governing Hong Kong under an imperial Chinese dynasty. When these two cities collide, you can imagine the geopolitical implications.
That's so sick. That you got that from watching Kaltsit. You said that she seems to keep the Doctor away to keep him safe. Thats incredible.
Also about the signals "This city belongs to Ursus." It means that if Chernobog does collide with Lungmen, the country of Yan will see it as a declaration of war from Ursus. Then a big war between Ursus and Yan will happen, which is a worst case scenario that they must avoid.
Anime hint this through smell twice, one is where Mesphisto burn the tower, two is now and you know what i am talk about
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The coprse smell
About last part with Core City of Chernobog
When the nomadic city is getting abondoned - it stops emmiting ID code which is coming from local Control Center 'cause if its abondoned - there's nobody to operate and mantain the signal. This ID code basically tells goverments nearby to which country or company this specific nomadic city belongs, in which case part of Chernobog still belongs to Ursus since its signal is kept being maintaned and operating by Reunion despite Ursus Goverment pretty much gave this city away due of it getting annihilated by catastrophy caused by Tallulah. And 'cause of that they used this whole city to basically ram into cluster of nomadic cities of Lungman which turns things really difficult:
If Lungman or any force of either Lungman or Yan (Country to which Lungman belongs) try to attack it to stop it from attacking or they will let it ram into Lungman - that will destroy Chernobog and provoke all-in war between Ursus and Yan in which Yan will be agressor for attacking Ursus city and it WILL be absurdly destructable and terrible for everyone in Terra. Next season is gonna be about this incident, just wait for next fall.
@@Doz148 dont bring lore from future events, ok? Delete your comment now.
@@Doz148 Yeah but that's spoilers for anime-onlies.
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OK comrade
Thats how AK story works, they give you some questionable lore at first and fill the answer on later parts/arc, so when you read you will curious for next part and you wont forget the story when you got the answer, and well some lore got filled by side-story and operator records, and yes if you want to really understand the role in AK you've to play the game, your question about "Frostnova reasoning" will answered later on Patriot arc and Tallulah arc
I can agree this episode felt a little rushed/cluttered, because they tried to show a lot for the finale. It's kinda similar in the game. Suddenly a lot happens towards the finale.
What was in the sewers were tons of corpses, from all the people who were slaughtered by the black cloaks and reunion. When infected people die, their bodies start to crystalize and ultimately break down into dust, which is highly imfectious. So they dumped all the bodies somewhere, where they can break down "safely". What Ch'en saw was basically a mass-grave.
A bit more context from the game's story for FrostNova:
-She knew she was basically out of time and she knew how tenacious Rhodes Island is. They would most definitely clash with Talulah in the future. So she decided to put her life on the line and test Rhodes Island, to see if they can overcome her strength. If Rhodes Island would fail here, there wouldn't be any point going after Talulah, who is way stronger than her. Seeing Amiya as a new hope for the infected, she wants to put her faith in them and help them get prepared in what little way she can.
-As she mentions in the anime as well, she has lost almost everyone dear to her, she has killed so many people and her body is in this horrible state. She felt like death is what she deserved. So she tried to make her's as meaningful as possible, but didn't run away from it.
Talulah is not way more powerful than frosty rather an equal (both destroy at best city blocks), but the rest is correct
@@torstwolf8742 Well maybe not as different in terms of raw power, but given Frostnovas condition with her poor health, she is way less threatening than Talulah, who can just go all out without any risks
between the awful unusual smell in the sewers (callback to the smell Meteorite and Frostleaf smelled back when Mephisto burned the building) and the fact the blackcloaks were behind it (and half the season we've been seeing the blackcloaks massacring every infected they find - even children) and the fact that some of Reunion were trying to help civilians flee from the blackcloaks through the sewers, it's supposed to be implied that the sewers are just filled with corpses of civilians.
It's just that between the fact that it's a Chinese game (China has certain social mores and censorship rules about showing certain levels of graphic injuries on camera) and the game and anime trust you can connect the dots, it's not explicitly shown.
Yeah this was honestly effectively how it went down in the game at the end of chapter 6. All this stuff said and revealed, but then we had to wait months for chapter 7 to come out.
why does frostnova seek death? Not sure she has much options here. she's got terminal rock cancer in a late stage. of which there is no cure.
she was seeking meaning in her final days.
As for questions, I feel that part of the goal of this is to drive people to experience the game. so cliffhangers are designed.
It is, in some ways, a trend I'm seeing in some of the antagonists that have died up to that point (and one of them isn't supposed to be one). Probably another one's gonna be added to the list soon.
I can see this kind of thinking with Misha (in episode 8) and Faust (in episode 13). In the last few moments of their lives- when the rock cancer has nearly taken over them already, they have been attempting the same thing that you just said- Misha trying to become Skullshatterer v2.0 (and try she did), and Faust with his last crossbow shot.
FrostNova though gets the better treatment as she would get recognized by Rhodes Island as one of its members (albeit posthumously), while the other two would have their names seen among the gravestones in the first map of Arknights: Endfield, which is set many years into the future from where Arknights' is in the current timeline.
I like hearing your theories about wei's relationship with talulah and stuff.
Cuz there is no way in heck you actually can predict what will happen lol.
I mean that's exactly how it was in the game. In fact it was worse, cos it is episodes from 4 to 6 combined, so you don't need to wait between them, unlike us. But yes, episode 6 in game ends on the revelation that Chernobog is moving towards Lungmen. It was meant to be a big cliffhanger. As for putting too much stuff into last episode, I blame the decision to stick to 8 episodes every season. Not even standard 12. For the most part they do a decent job at compacting everything, but it is really only going to get harder from here. I have no idea whose decision it was or what's the reasoning, but it is single most disappointing part of this adaptation. They really needed more time to flesh out certain things more. I was really excited at first, because it's project funded directly by creators of the game, so I was under the impression that they can dedicated as much episodes as they want, but instead they decided to give it the bare minimum, even less than that in fact.
So the sewers is just simply massacred people from slums. People lived in/run away to sewers, when the fight with Reunion broke out and Black Cloaks killed everyone there, cos Wei saw it as great opportunity to get rid of all the problems at once. Basically Ch'en saw corpses of all the people she worked so hard to protect. Again censorship not doing any favors, but her talking about strong stench was supposed to clue you in.
Ch'en remembered, because she only saw Black Cloaks as a child and had no idea who and what they are and then probably forgot. Now that she learned not only they exist, but are under direct order of Wei, she was able to understand what she saw a child more clearly.
So about ending, it's very simple. The core part of the city of Chernobog (the one they saved Doctor from in season 1 and was devastated by Catastrophe) is currently moving towards Lungmen. If nothing is done, both cities will collide, but there's not enough time to move Lungmen out of the way (mobilizing and moving a Nomadic City takes some time and is a complicated process). The alternative is trying to dmg incoming city to make it stop, but that's where the identification signal comes into place. While every Nomadic City is kinda it's own state, they all belong to some country. So Chernobog belong to Ursus and Lungmen belongs to Yan.
Normally, when city gets destroyed/abandoned, it stops emitting the code (mostly because there's nobody there to operate it) and everyone assumed that Chernobog was destroyed and abandoned by Ursus. By despite it being on direct collision course with Lungmen, it's still emitting its identification code and Ursus government made no statement about it, basically confirming that they still claim to own the city. So If Lungmen attempts to do anything to it, it'll be equal to attacking one of Ursus cities and declaring war on them.
Ursus has its own internal political problems, which is why Chernobog was so easily given over to the Reunion. The activation of this code is most likely a personal message from Kashchei through Talulu.
This episode would do better if they give it a breathing room or time to settle. FrostNova's final moment was done well but they hurried over to giving hook for next season.
Well, it is what it is. Hope they give more episodes for future seasons onward.
I agree we need more breading time to settle from loosing Frostnova's life (who is one of the most important comrade.)
I suppose this hurried over script wants to show us Amiya and Rhodes isn't allowed a time to take a breadth for rest or even mourn the death for Frostnova from the cruel Terra's ground and someone's evil scheme.
Plz excuse my poor english
The mobile city thing is a political issue that is rather unique to arknights and would be difficult to analog to the real world. Closest I can think is captured submarine launching a nuke and nobody anywhere knew it got stolen.
So understand there is no global communication system in arknights, no sattelights no relay towers no world wide intetnet. So Wei cant pick up a red phone to the usrsus leader go wtf to ursus leader.
Mobile cities are large but made of many many blocks that can detach and move on its own. Imagine trying to move something the size of New York City with additional land masses to feed and water everyone there. To safely do this usually takes a month.
Finally Ursus is a saber ratteling nation, if Wei shoots the city they will declare a defensive war. If Wei doesnt fire its going to wreck his city significantly weakening it's ability to fend off Ursus and the Ursus will happily secure what's left.
Essentially Reunion handed both nations a war declaration against each other and Ursus is likely the only one being giddy about it because they can lay the blame of Reunion existing on Lungmen as well (tellelah is from Lungmen) making them the perfect scape goats.
If i remember correctly in this chapter what ch'en sees in the sewer is a pile of infected body, innocent infected body the anime pretty much censored the scene, If they decide sesoan 3 to reach chapter 8 I hope they made it more than 8 episode because I think both chapter 7 and 8 are really long so if they decided to get 8 episode there will be a lot of cut content
some things were a bit unclear thanks to cut short a lot of dialogue
and motly switched over to showing through visuals which can be hard to miss
like patriot hugging frost nova in the flashback first his hands are normal and after a short cut completely black from frostbite of hugging the littlefrostnova
like some others pointed out she was already basically dead and they wanted to get her out of the city to be with patriot in her last moments
but instead - as part of it - wanted to test rhodes island when they want to stop this whole mess they would have to fight talulah and so when they couldnt even win against frostnova burning herself out they would die in the end against talulah anyway...
mfg
Olli
Chernobog has a route that leads to a collision with your city. Your action is to eliminate the cause of the collision, isn't it?
That's why Wei was so calm...
But it's not that simple - Chernobog is broadcasting a signal that it belongs to the Ursus Empire - and any attempt to destroy the city is literally _casus belli_
Remember that the anime is a heavily condensed project, a lot more info is being told in the game. One more thing the anime is a marketing material to play the game, same can be said with Azur Lane and Priconne
Thank you for your positive and spot on analysis along the way through season 2, it's nice to know that I'm not alone that got punched with Frostnova's last moment. Not once, not twice but everytime I see this scene. 😢
This anime has helped me lot to understand and invest in arknights story. I am currently trying to slug through the game But No way am I reading those massive textwalls when reverse 1999 just came out with mainstory full english voice casting. Very solid anime and as far as I have understood very dedicated to the orginal gacha story. I am stuck at skull shatterer fight in the game.
To the ending i will just say this, those two cities colliding to each other and the other is ursus who is infamous for expanding their lands....
You know what happens right?
Thank you for giving this anime attention.
lots of cliffhangers and foreshadowing in arknights.
maybe you don't like it,
I will state the fact, Arknights cannot be understood, if you don't complete one arc (the entire chapter)
but when you have the will to follow the entire chapter, without realizing it you will rub your face and say "this is really amazing" with a relieved but sad face.
Trust me.
Chernobog constantly broadcasting that it belongs to Ursus would mean that if it does crash into lungmen, it will be a major conflict between two powerful countries, and things will only get worse from there. I think this is a better idea to keep in mind when the next season come out.
The sewers had the corpses of all the infected that the black suits were killing (reunion or not).
"Nothing happened in Lugmen Sewers".
The anime pretty much ended the way Chapter 6 ended in the game. We were all left on this cliffhanger back then as well. So I'm pretty sure a Season 3 is coming sooner or later.
Chernobog signalling they are a city of Ursus basically means it's Ursus territory. In other words, it's politics. If Lungmen, a city of Yan, tries to destroy Chernobog, a city of Ursus in order to keep it from colliding with them, it'll spark fire between the 2 countries. Similarly, if Lungmen doesn't do anything to Chernobog, then Chernobog will crash into Lungment causing damage and resulting in conflicts between the 2 countries. This is why Wei had the "oh shit" surprised face when Kal'tsit gave him the news. That's what Kal'tsit was alluding to and Wei understood it right away.
The inspectors were from yan which is arknights China while lungmen is arknights Hongkong. Ursus is arknights Russia and Chernobog is a city of Ursus.
Frostnova case is certainly strange
When she said she want to join Rhode Island, she mean that she willingly to belive in cause of the faction
however, if you take a look at her situation, there is no moral way she can follow it though
1) Her family is basically actual criminals in the eyes of society
2) All of them are at death door due to Oripathy, the whole reason for Reunion is that they "Have no future" anyway, so they want to use all their lasting breath to topple the existing system
3) Should she join Rhode Island, she is likely have to fight her former allies, even though they are not part of Yeti Squad, which she does not truely want to do. Her regret lies entirely on Tallular and the way Tallular betraying the original cause of Reunion, but not Reunion themselve.
I wish we have more reminiscent about Frostnova in the game other than from Tallular PoV (which actually explain many part of this Frosnova plot point)
As many people have said that the Chernobog city can cause a war between Yan, basically Imperial China, and Usus ,basically Tsarist Russia. I just wanted to add that what we have seen so far is a small scale conflict betweel police forces, a pharmaceutical company and a fraction of a revolutionary army. We have not seen proper militaries involved. If you think what the black capes is bad just wait until you see what the Ursus army is capable of. And that's just the regular army not the special units like the Emperor's blade.
Fun fact: in game when Doctor carries Frost Nova's body from the sewers he says to guards "another infected just died". And actually don't know which is better comrade or infected. 'Comrade' is tragic and dramatic, she is part of the RI now; but 'infected' more meaningful to me. In Terra, there are a huge amount of infected, such as FN, are confused, struggling, not even sure with what, and no longer able to change something in fate.
I should really watch season 1 and 2. I probably will binge it once the fall season ends and before the start of the new winter season.
I said it before in another comment, but yes it's not wrapping anything up arc wise so I was saying I hope you don't expect it will in the finale. This is still arc 1, same as AK's first season of anime which was mostly chapter 0-3/4.
Arc1 doesn't end until chapter 8, and this second was from chapter 5 till the end of chapter 6. Probably two more seasons for chapter 7 and chapter 8 each, unless they really rush through it but 8 episodes for 7 and 8 feels like it'd be way too short. chapter 8 especially is super long.
Arc 2 starts at ch9 which I doubt the anime will get to anytime soon if ever, because arc 2 isn't done yet.
About the Identification code:
This one is a doozy but it make much more sense and impact in the game due to the amount of speculation the fanbase has put together over the months base on the tib bits within the chapters
The reverlation drop will make everything very clear when 3rd season drop but I do agree that this segues is not making enought sense in the Anime as some of the hint is move too fast to sink in. The reason is so simple yet so spoilery, it almost on the nose but because the magical implication of the setting that it seems farfetch if it wasn't officially delivered.
The Lungmen Sewer:
This is something has been built up over the character arc of Ch'en, as she belive LGD order can maintain peace and safety for the orchastrated Infected in the city. The thing in this Sewers is in fact a massive pile of Infected corpses from the slum that has been secretly culled away by the Shadows over the year with the help of Lin. This is Ch'en breaking point because she realised that she has been lied to by Wie on how her dream of order and peace are not at all possible and they have been playing pretend to keep her working. This is also why Swire don't want Ch'en to look, because she know what is Ch'en 's drive, what motivate her to be the head of LGD, and this sceen will crack that drive.
everything is correct in my opinion, anime goes according to game main story and this ending foreshadows next season which will be absolututely insane in my opinion especially chapter 8
she is not regret following tallulah, she never follow tallulah, frostnova never have regrets, the only reason she is still on reunion because her adopted father (Patriot) still there, she said it while on ruins with docs, and patriot & tallulah relation in reunion is like "nakama" (comrade)
Chernobog IS Ursus city to begin with. Lungmen is Yanese city. Essentialy crushing one countries city into another state's city is basicly an act of war. AND you cant really atack them to stop the collision without repecrusion (mainly a war declaration). So there's that
All your question will be answered in the next 2 seasons.
I think one thing that anime kinda skipped over is showing Frost Nova didn't believe in Amiya's resolve. She thinks it's impossible and naive to achieve. then as an example, she poses herself as the challenge to Rhodes Island. That's why she said that she would join Rhodes Island if Amiya and co can prove otherwise.
Also, the anime kinda nerf how gruesome Lungmen chooses to deal with infected. Yes technically we only see the aftermath in the game story but showing it instead of subtly hinting at it in anime can give more context
next season final episode probably is going to foreshadow chapter 9 of the story, not sure but its possible
Yeah, the same 8 episodes for a second despite having much more material to cover. Sadge.
Since they didn't announced next season (yet), there is hope that it will came out more cooked than first two.
Or they can even take their time and adapt one of the of stories that is related to whatever has happened before this whole arc, to give more background to what comes next in season 3.
Hope dies last.
Frost Nova dying was definitely sad, sympathy for the enemy.
Im waiting for Patriot kicking some ass
This is why I hope the next adaptation can get 12 episodes at least. 8 episode is really rushing it. This episode on the game is worth 2 hours of reading, that's not even counting playing the game. Frost Nova is the REAL challenge in early Arknights
well after watchin this, all I can say that all of your question already have the answer on the game
Removed my comment in case i really spoilered something, i was pretty sure it was info from before chapter 6/7 sorry if i said too much
Yea there some context missing it might best if start lear the geopolict map first tgere video of it on offcial arknight
wrap up? Too early to wrap anything up. They only show the one side of the event. Season 3 will explains alot more. They also want you to play the game if you cannot wait.
I knew 8 episodes are far from enough to cover Chapters 5 & 6 in-game, it's so rushed, especially the last episode. It also ended abruptly, and the very last part of Chapter 6 got pushed to the next season.
Nothing happen in Lungmen sewer...
I'd like to play the game but azur lane is already taking up like 20 gigs on my phone.
The frost nova fight is literally less cool.or interesting than in the "last of me" video clip. How did they manage to screw that up :(