I'm so glad you made the distinction between hakari's reaction speed and his general speed. a lot of power scalers seemingly ignore this majority of the time
Well since Edo Kimimaru survived till the reanimation jutsu was undone which included a head on encounter with KCM1 Naruto, without his ninja cancer he arguably can solo most of part 1.
He might go after neji first considering in hidden inventory, his main concern was gojo due to his six eyes. Or maybe he'd go after naruto due to him being the kyubi jinchuriki. I don't think he'd worry about kiba, shikamaru, or choji until he took care of those two.
I feel like this really likely. Seeing neji have special eyes would probably make him a priority target....which be his absolute biggest mistake. Cause this does give shikamaru that opening as well as an opening for naruto through either rasengan or shadow clone barrage in combination with the others. Unfortunately...I feel like that would really fuck toji up. I really don't think he could handle combos or the damn rasengan. If one dies...Naruto bodies the shit out of him
@@kingbo6831 I think toji is too physically strong to be held down by Shikamaru's shadow possession jutsu. He's far physically superior to Shikamaru which allows him to break out. He'd probably blitz and kill Neji immediately. We know Toji is physically strong enough to create air-pressure strong enough to fling debris with enough velocity to destroy organic matter without touching said debris or destroying it itself. And I think the shock would give Naruto pause at his speed. We can assume Naruto is faster than almost everyone there at that moment BESIDES Toji. I'd argue that Toji would take the opportunity of the initial shock to behead Naruto. Kurama can't heal that. The rest are done. This is all assuming all characters are within character
Going off your scaling, could neji use a kunai at his top speed if he realises the gentle fist isnt working. Also, i do think the gentle fist would work on people without chakra based off how the technique and chakra work in naruto. He could use it to harm internal organs and blood vessels rather than one's chakra network. This wouldn't be too dissimilar from how medical ninja like kabuto use chakra scalpels to cut flesh.
@@dominicwoodford5711I can argue normal boruto woops him if we use k one boruto he slams that fodder then ktwo which is the one he used against code he treats him like a toddler Borushiki would memed on him
bro is still to slow to react to kid burrito because if momo can’t effortlessly speed blitz kid burrito it puts him in ftl/mftl ranges of speed while people equivalent to him need hax to react to Mach 3 but idk about if he has the ap
Naoya’s speed statement continues to be inconsistent Yuji at the start of Shibuya reacted to Piercing Blood, which is stated to be far faster than sound. Human Naoya at top speed is stated to be faster than subsonic speeds and is shown breaking the sound barrier, meaning he should be around Mach 1 according to the narrator, despite all of this, Naoya without even ramping up speed perception blitzes post Shibuya Yuji. In other words, a weaker version of Yuji reacts to attacks faster than sound but a stronger version of him can’t react to something slower than sound.
Well Yuji was reacting to piercing blood at a big distance when he got up close he didn't react to it at all. Couple the sound speed with the trick of projection sorcery and it makes a bit more sense but I should've covered this in the video.
Yea it has distance but Naoya's CT messes with your perception. Idk if you know anything about FPS but seeing in a lower FPS makes things appear faster. If you want an example a quick look on youtube will show you it's just because it displays less information in the same second.@@guilha1506
If you want an example go play cod it’s a HUGE factor.. If we struggle with a video game and messed up fps then you better believe it’s a huge factor in their world
@@UNKNOWNL3G3NDyeah and the fears make no sense cause if they were anywhere near lightspeed they would have reached sasuke instantly, the whole retrivial mission is them taking lots of time to reach them, if any of the character at that point where even a tenth of light speed they would have reached orochimaru in .1 second, also the only solid lightspeed feat in Naruto is Naruto dodging fang of light which is light speed, saying they are around light speed is like saying they’re as fast as SO6P Naruto, which is complete bs
Great video as always. In regards to the Rock Lee vs Kimimaro situation, Databook 2 implies Lee actually DID get stronger: "A phoenix burns itself in flames of fire and is resurrected in a new body. Lee also bets his life to have major surgery and gains new power." and "The fighter phoenix that is reborn in splendor!!". New power would obviously be different than just regainning his chunin exam levels of power. While this is absurd, Lee showing up to help Naruto itself is absurd since he need Neji's help to climb stairs and had to convice him that he'd be able to do it himself. Barely able to climb stairs to fighting Kimimaro better than a KN0 Naruto. Also, while Gara does state Lee is weaker than he was in the Chunin Exams, that was after Lee had used the Drunken Fist, something that amps him to a level at least comparable to the gates and Lee didn't want to use the gates because of the state of his body. So he started the fighted the fight with strength beyond his chunin exams self before becoming weaker than that version of himself. In a sense, Lee is very much a mirror to Kimimaro here. Kimimaro wasn't even suposed to be able to move and yet he got up, still scales above the Sound 4, and gradually getting weaker and ultimately succomming to his illness.
It's possible Lee did get stronger but gains new power seems to be in reference to the fact he couldn't do anything and now he can again. The phoenix burns in fire and resurrected in a new body since obviously Lee didn't get a literal new body I think it's a fair interpretation.
You're right, that is a fair interpretation. The wording to me seems to lean more to new power in general (the "reborn in splendor" part suggests it is more than just being reborn which given the Phoenix comparison, it seems that a normal rebirth would have brought Lee back to normal) given the Kimimaro fight and comparison to over 50 KN0 Naruto shadow clones seems to back that up, but going from having to give up on being a ninja to back to his former self would make sense to. Of course, this gets into the comparison of KN0 Naruto throughout part one with his varying strength. Given his anger and the change in his eyes, I think it is fairly safe to say that the KN0 Naruto that fought Kimimaro is stronger than the one that fought Neji, but I understand there isn't anything as concrete to state that like the databook statement for valley of the end KN0 Naruto putting him above all previous versions of himself.
@@sixfromtokyoConsidering that toji has sasuke and naruto would know this wouldn't that mean that naruto would have a 9 tails amp right out the gate like what happened when he saw kimimaru. Not to mention that he can just spam shadow clones endlessly not mention nejis attacks also target vital organs and sever major arteries u don't have to have a chakra network to be affected, anyway nice vid this would be an interesting fight.
Average day as toji being a middle aged man beating tf outa school children😭😭😭 (this isn’t a statement on how the fight goes, it’s a joke cuz that’s all his character fights)
It’s hard to imagine the other 4 couldn’t at least react to one or two of Tojis attacks if he went for them first, and if he’s distracted for even a few seconds, I feel like Neji can step in and control the fight from there. If Neji can buy the other 4 a little bit of time, I feel like they can distract him even further with hundreds of shadow clones. Toji would have to combat Neji and the clones while also watching out for shadow possession and the other 2 fighters. I see the group winning 8 times out of 10 and the only reason I’m not saying 10/10 is because Neji can’t attack Tojis chakra points.
Toji slipped on a bunny rabbit in one of the most recent episodes so if those little things can tie him up a little bit then Naruto’s clones with Neji should buy them enough time to think of a plan or provide an opening for a critical blow.
Even then I think gentle first and trigram techniques can harm people. Just because he doesn’t have chakra points doesn’t mean neji has to go for them. He can easily just go for joints or important body parts and destroy them internally. I don’t think toji really stands a chance. His scaling isn’t impressive in the naruto verse
@@CGR1410I honestly don’t see why he wouldn’t have chakra points lol chakra just means energy even. In the naruto vers without chakra u die it’s very so literally energy even tho lee who can’t do with slats has points regardless getting pierced in all those spots should restrict movement at least
For anyone wondering about Amatarasu vs infinity. Amaterasu doesnt travel until after its spawned. The spawning of Amaterasu happens instantly wherever the caster is looking, It THEN travels with the focal point of the users eye. So if gojo gets hit with Amaterasu, his infinity is not blocking it. Hes getting hit with it since it only blocks incoming attacks that limitless can sense. Amaterasu is not that.
@@randommortal3383 raikage’s reaction time allows him to react to things that have instant activation, Gojo has never and will never show those kinds of reactionary speed feats. Amaterasu would appear on him before his brain even thinks about teleporting.
I feel like we may be forgetting just how much Naruto's shadow clones could come into play. Even if we assume that Naruto is massively slower than Toji, that still leaves like a thousand extra bodies to keep him relatively occupied. He can't just ignore a rasengan barrage afterall. I'd say given how shadow clones are basically always Naruto's opening move, that's what Toji would be stuck dealing with for a decent amount of time. Which should give the kids a window of opportunity to formulate a plan. Idk, I personally don't think the chances are super high that Toji comes out on top against all 5 of them. Anyways, it's weird how Toji would only be like... A Chunin level threat in Naruto.
Also We don't know how the 9 tails comes at play here. With a very genuine threat to naruto,s life he might access the 1 tail transformation. Which would be a major disadvantage to toji as in the sakura hiden each tail of the 9 tails is stated to be of the order of magnitude being a 10 times amp. but i don't think toji would just allow naruto to be unconcious being able to access the 9 tails and he'd see that as a potential opening to kill him.
@@Vascody Kurama would most deffinitely give Naruto power if Narutos life was in genuine danger because he would've died otherwise. Naruto can also force Kurama to give him Chakra at this point, at least to scale with Neji which scales above Toji
I think Maki catching the bullet can be something she specifically practiced for knowing her sister uses guns and they are common weapons. A curse with projection technique and jet propulsion moving erratically is not something you can get reps on whenever you want. Training with weapons you own on time makes something like catching a bullet possible for an enhanced human. Heck there is a man who can cut bullets and a man who can shoot an arrow launched at him alive right now on this planet.
Sasuke literally just got healed by Tsunade after being out of commission for like 5 weeks and he was already struggling to use Lee's speed without losing too much stamina. And we want to compare Sasuke's rusty body to Naruto? Damn, Kishimoto is cold for that rooftop fight pushing bro over the edge.
I don't know much about JJK, and I do like the video. But I have 2 complaints about the Naruto scaling side. 1. Naruto vs Neji to scale his speed. People forget that Naruto basically won their fight WITHOUT Kurama except for Rotation, he used a bunch of clones and went to dogpile Neji which is when Neji pulled out Rotation. This implies some level of relativity to Lee as Neji learned Rotation during the training month and thus wasn't part of his fights with Lee. Or to put it more simply Lee can't beat no-Rotation Neji without 3rd Gate, Naruto could in base. And sure there are a lot of clones, but it's not like they are super durable, if Neji is noticeably faster he can slaughter them, we see him do that just before this when he thinks he found the real Naruto in the back and rushed through a bunch of clones to get him only to find out the real Naruto wasn't that one. Even if you say that only puts Naruto at half Neji, that's still well above the 29 Mach for Lee. 2. For Neji himself, yes the Gentle Fist is most known for it's ability to screw with Chakra, but it doesn't have to. Hinata almost dies in their fight because her heart was damaged, and Kakashi says no matter how much you train you can't harden your insides. Organs and such are vulnerable to Gentle Fist, just not as efficiently, Neji could still jab Toji's chest and attack his veins.
Its always great watching your videos i always enjoy going into scaling characters especially in cross verse it brings up a lot of interesting topics and forces you to think more objectively about abilities and how they interact
They definitely get the Dagon treatment there’s no way Playful Cloud doesn’t reck them. They can barely run on water and bro is having a whole MK death match on it The wave alone kills half of them
@@dominicwoodford5711 Huh???? Naruto and Sasuke have an entire fight on top of a river in this same arc and its well known that Naruto has DOGSHIT chakra control
@@GreyTackettforming the rasengan alone is a crazy feat of chakra control for Naruto. He’s also able to evenly spread his shadow clones so neji couldn’t decipher the real one.
@@obsidianquill7949 You mean the rasengan that he had to summon a clone to form? Or the fact that it's explained by Kakashi that the only reason he can do SCJ or MSCJ is cause he has so much chakra and he just brute forces chakra into it?
Stand proud genin, y’all are strong… Fire video though! I’d say Toji just stomps the ground and pokes rocks at mach speeds or kicks rocks at them like he’s doing cars for a no diff
Fire video as always! Also on bit about Hakari dodging Kashimos lightning, the second time Kashimo uses his lightning on Hakari, he had already hit Hakari with that shipping container door that scrapped away half of his face and Kashimo immediately delivered the charges after that. This move by Kashimo may have been an attempt to disguise his intentions, but also stun Hakari since he knew Hakari was able to dodge the strike before, Kashimo even mentions that Hakari managed to heal the damage to his brain while simultaneously expelling Kashimo's CE from his body implying that the combination of both of these was supposed to do Hakari in as an improvement on his previous attempt to hit Hakari with the sure-hit lightning strike
You should do a vid on if toji had access to ki, also maybe a vid on what if samurai in naruto vers would've utilize ki instead of Chakra, would've like for the vers to have had at least to types of power or energy sources like how dragon ball has ki an magic but great vid Six keep it up bro 🤙
yea it was very disappointing that the anime didnt include the line of naobito is considered the fastest sorcerer besides gojo, however, that was when he had two arms
I don't think you'll see this but I'm seriously starting to hate JJK powerscalers. Yall always pick the feats that sounds best and not what actually happened. The argument for why Hakari dodged Kashimo's lightning is always so disingenuous. No one ever gets the argument for why Hakari didn't dodge Kashimo's lightning right. The reason i say he didn't dodge his lightning and it was aimed for his shoulder is because right after the strike hit his shoulder, Kashimo didn't say anything about Hakari being able to dodge his lightning, he just said "time to pile on" as if taking his arm off was what he was trying to do. He was more surprised that Hakari counterattacked so fast than he was about Hakari "dodging" his lightning. Kashimo then aimed directly for his head while Hakari was looking at him and Hakari didn't/couldn't dodge it. If he aimed for his head and missed, why didn't Kashimo say anything about Hakari's speed?
I don’t think Naruto was really trying to fight kimimaro because he was in a rush to chase down sasuke. He even flat out states “I don’t have time for this” then you also believe in mental amps in naruto so the could have made him much weaker at that particular moment
@@jonikalemasi3062he didn’t willing borrowed his emotions is why it came out at this point naruto could control some of kurama chakara once bs neji and the other vs gaara. He didn’t look nowhere near as blood lusted as he did vs haku compared to kimmimaru . Another example six paths naruto wasn’t trying against sasuke as we all know but he had kurama amp and six paths chakara . Just because a character transform doesn’t mean they are going all out ssb goku wasn’t trying against krillin 🤷🏾♂️
@@GeoNidas117 Horrible example Naruto was going all out vs Sasuke he just wants trying to out right kill him he was going all out to cancel anything Sasuke threw at him at one point they were so equal they belw each other hands off. Was NARUTO superior to Sasuke for like 90% of the entire war arc and 6 paths fight yeah he was but that dose not mean he wasn't going all out he was just focused all hos power on defense and canceling out Sasukes shit. And The whole Emotion situation. That only ever happened to Naruto where he was pushed in to a corner and was powerless where his emotions took over....Thats literally wat happened. Goku vs Krillin is a horrible example cuz SJ blue offers goku perfect ki control to the point he can lower his base to that of a near regular human. Any other SJ forms of goku would probably accidentally get Krillin killed. So there u go. Anyways my point stands he was trying has hard as he could with what he was capable off. Kimimaru at the time if he wasn't sick he could prolly solo all the retrieval team alone ...The fact that orochimau said that If he wasn't sick he would be a perfect host nearly as powerful if not more powerful than a Uchiha host at the time.
Before watching the video, I’ve had the stance that Red pill Choji washes. Kyuubi Naruto washes. Kiba loses. Neji reacts but probably loses. Shikamaru gets washed. Now let’s see if we agree lol
24:00 Naruto had to convince Gamabunta in their first battle to help save entire Konoha against a tailed beast and he still mostly agreed because he saved his kid. If he did it against Sasuke he probably wouldn't care to help him. Vs Deidara or Orochimaru he was far too enraged to think clearly and because he treats those fights so personally, he probably wouldn't want to involve him in it even if he thought clearly. Vs Kakuzu obviously testing his new ninjutsu. Vs Sasuke during Tenchi Bridge he didn't even get the opportunity (and possibly wasn't able to due to immense fatigue). The only situation where it made most sense to me to use it was the 30% Itachi clone but Naruto probably just wanted to be team player and let Kakashi take the lead instead of just randomly nuking the battlefield.
@@player__0netossing in most don't have an answer for gojo until you get to kamui or other such hax Narrative wise gojo would be rivalling the peak of the verse like eos naruto and sasuke
Gojo and Makima are getting absolutely whooped by the top tiers of the akatsuki, the lower tiers can't do much because of hax but they are mostly irrelevant anyway
The best comeback against JJK characters scaling to lightning is pointing out that these lightning bolts aren't real lightning, and that assuming so would just be an appeal to reality
@InvisibleMan-tb8ke basically, I ran into this guy who said that if Maki, who scales to Hakari, is only around the mach 3 range, then "lightning" in the JJK verse is only in that mach 3 range. This is only possible because, sometimes, things like light or lightning act differently in fictional stories
@@JuanFlores-gs7uu the same can be said about the speed of sound lmao its like that one argument that hxh is star level bc jupiter appears to be small. Jjk speed its just inconsistent.
Hey six! Just wanted to say love your vids, an I’m glad you don’t pick favorites. You pretty real when it comes to scaling, toji is such a good character gonna miss him from here on out of the anime
I think Kirin is Light Speed. I've never heard of that Lee feat. What the heck? Maybe Lee got a Zenaki after the hospital but yeah it's like a lot of weird situations where characters at this point are never really "FULL POWER". I like this music... Soul Split. - I think Kishimoto just didn't want to draw Bunta as well as earlier it's kinda hard to tell if Bunta would help but that's a funny Win condition I could see the Slash vs Slash as a QTE event to take out Toji. I love the name Playful Cloud just felt like putting it here at the end.
Him saying it was a bit too much 3:50 doesn’t make it invalid and/or irrelevant as he didn’t specifically say that it was a invalid feat, rather he just states that he went a bit overboard with said feat.
Yo Six! Not sure if you will see this comment but you can argue that the reason naruto wasn't as fast as Lee during their interactions with Kimimaru is that he might have been nerfed. What I mean is that previously all of the Genin had a significant portion of their Chakra drained by Jorobo, so you might be able to make the case that Base Naruto should still potentially scale to the Mach 29 Feat. This would be consistent as even in the Chunin exams Neji felt threatened enough by naruto that he activated his Byakugan to fight him.
I think this is the case but also, my man said the bullet moved way over Mach 3 which?? Brother that was not an anti-material round, that was probably either a .38 special or .357 magnum and the fastest either of those go isn't even Mach 2 and that's *the fastest* most .38 special are subsonic rounds
Big miss six, neji is most likely able to REACT to everything until gate 3 levels of speed. He literally has one of the best defenses in naruto and is real intelligent. Am I wrong or right? opinions?
You're not wrong and I thought about that but I didn't want to seem like I was coming off trying to downplay part 1 so I figured why not be generous in this specific area.
@@dominicwoodford5711 Well it's stated that Toji would never have been able to beat Pre-RCT Gojo without 3 full days of prep and the only reason he was able to get in a hit that mattered was because of the ISOH which was unknown to Gojo. Toji just found the 1/50 instance where he beats Gojo and happened to awaken a monster after the fact
I’m still confused as well cause forest of death worn out curse mark Sasuke point blank dodged zaku super sonic sound wave and moved Naruto and Sakura out the way. The sound 4 are multiple times stronger then this Sasuke was. Sakun was toying with him and kicked a post kakshi training curse mark Sasuke away casually and sasuke was angry and lunging at him with curse mark active so you can’t say he wasn’t trying. It’s also the fact temari swung her fan point black while sound waves were super close to her to push them away. And tamari thinks shikamaru is quick. Neji should still scale above that forest of death Sasuke. Neji can keep up with and counter the force of kyubi amp naruto and be the one standing only to lose from a clone fake out.
Even if Naruto does summon Gamabunta it wouldn't matter, because it's very unlikekly that Gamabunta would listen to him. It's like you and Swag recently mentioned on his channel about Naruto's fight with Sasuke. If Naruto summoned Gamabunta in that fight he would have definitely won, but Gamabunta is temperamental. The only reason he listened during the Shukaku fight was because Gamakichi was there and he wanted to protect his son.
@@RulerOfYore Well Naruto only summoned him twice to my knowledge anyways; the first time was during Naruto's training with Jiraya, and the second was in his fight with Shukaku.
Based on your video I'm failing to see how Toji would stand even the slightest chance. Sounds like he's moving at a snail's pace compared to almost all of them. Add to that Naruto's shadow clones and I feel like he'd be overwhelmed.
One thing to keep in mind with potential verse = is the bugs toji deploted. They successfully threw off the six eyes worn the energy they gave off, which could similarly throw off Neji & lead toji to a lethal strike
I dont think this would work; cursed energy isn't something you could argue Neji could see. You cant compare six eyes to the byakugan, because the Byakugan by comparison just lets Neji have zero blindspots side from one specific angle mid air, which Toji probably wouldn't go for even as a by chance attack,
@@RampioreRegis i would never say that the byakugan. Which has only ever seen chakra, also be able to see a whole different type of energy. Thats wayy too head cannony but you do you
14:55 I have a theory on this matter that admittedly is just a headcanon but I believe Sasuke lost his ability to mimick Lee's speed after the Chunin Exams. During the Chunin Exams, Sasuke laser focused his sharinghan abilities into copying Lee's movements which is how he was able ot match weightless Lee, however since his body isn't as naturally fit as Lee's, that's not really Sasuke's natural speed it's just a boost he had for a bit due ot the Sharinghan that his body gradually forgot afterwards because it couldn't keep up. I believe it makes sense since we basically never see Sasuke doing nay taijutsu that's equivalent's to Lee afterwards in the show, the fact that Sasuke was also aditionally hospitalised for weeks makign it even more likely that his body forgot the effects of his trianing to match Lee even more propable.
This is how i saw the fight playing out: Toji gets choji first as in my opinion hes the weakest maybe not in physical strength but overall ability and the fact naruto has a plot armor thing. Then kiba with his heigtened senses helps them survive a bit and dodge Tojis attacks while shikamaru is running battle analysis. Before he can use shadow posession however Toji then takes out kiba lowering their ability to sense and react. While having done that Toji of course would have noticed their physical differences and then assumed naruto was the least refined leading to him taking out naruto. I then see neji holding toji off while Toji goes for shikamaru realizing nejis the greatest threat after shikamaru lands a shadow paralysis jutsu which i dont believe can hold toji but can cautch him off gaurd/slowhim down/give them an opening. Shikamaru is about to get taken out and neji knowing hes their tactician takes a blow for him taking him out. Shikamaru alone now. Naruto with a ninetails amp gets up and starts swapping hands long enough for the others to rally and shikamaru then has his battle plan and then they take out Toji from there. I see them winning this fight vast majority.
Bro you’re crazy if you think he’s swapping hands with a nine tails rage amp Naruto especially after seeing some of his best friends get slaughtered right in front of him he could str8 up be a low akatsuki threat with unlimited reverse curse healing atp lol the nine tails physically would never let Naruto get caught off guard and being the son of the fastest ninja to ever exist naruto is not slow definitely not slower than toji. Especially since even child minato would definitely blitz any form of toji and he’s not nine tails amped with uzumaki chakra levels
@@alexproctor524 I didnt say toji wouldn't be on the defensive or have any advantage over Naruto I mainly mean it would be like a pain situation where he's doing stuff and it isn't working and he's been kept busy long enough that the rest get their second wind. Naruto in that phase never has been shown to go past 1 tail toji at the least can evade and be distracted long enough.
@@sixfromtokyo nice debunk bro honestly never liked your takes. dont know why your videos keep showing up . if your sitting here telling me toji has the same stats or higher as pain then your just a joke honestly. sage mode naruto was throwing around a giant rhino summon thats way bigger and heavier than anything toji ever tossed , plus if your gonna try and scale toji to lightspeed thru kashino even if i give u that ill just use hakus feat to scale the deva path to mftl and toji doesnt even scale to kashimo or sukuna he lost to a young gojo and sakuna mid - lowed diffed a older more powerful one so toji wouldnt scale at all but go ahead and ride off other peoples clout
Deva was stronger than Gojo. Deva path destroy the leaf village. Deva path almighty push some of the toad out of the village. Deva path can control people and take people soul if he use Gedo.
JUST REMEMBER HAKU MOVED AT LIGHT SPEED IN HIS MIRROR JUTSU, AND NARUTO CAUGHT HIM , AND SASUKE KEPT TRACK OF HIM. ROCK LEE IS PACKING BOTH OF THEM. LEE IS FASTER AND STRONGER THAN TOJI BY HUGE MARGIN TOJI'S B EST FEET IS MACH10
If you watch or read JoJo, how would you scale The Crusaders (JoJo part 3) in the Narutoverse? Although JoJo characters are weak physically probably only around athlete or peak human level (only some of them have extraordinary physicals like Ultimate Kars), they have broken hax and speed (they're at the very least is light speed). But The Crusaders is not that broken when you compare them to Valentine who would solo Naruto and Boruto probably no difficulty
About the final statement in the video - if in character Toji is hired by Orochimaru to get Sasuke back, then Toji in character would have research done and a plan on who he would target and what strategies to use agains them, like he did with Gojo?
I don’t think it’s logical to disregard byakugan jutsu because their opponent doesn’t have chakra. It’s still inflicting pain on joints and damaging the opponents body internally.
Good Vid, but I disagree with some of the scaling. Mach 3 is really inconsistent, and say Hakari can react to the lightning, Kashimo tagging him would mean he would somewhat scale to the speed of the calc. I dont think Hakari reacted to it but it doesn’t matter much in the grand scheme of things
One kind win con that I never see used in any vs debate is what if the faster character just disarms and uses the stronger character's weapon? Like Neji could possibly just take Toji's soul cutting katana and use it on him if he has a significant speed advantage.
Gege goes on to say Toji and Maki have the strongest grip in JJK, so its doubtful Neji (Who is not physically stronger than base Lee only faster and more skilled) could disarm Toji.
@@khulmach9662 That is a strangely specific thing for Gege to state, like he is thinking 5 steps ahead by future proofing any potential vs arguments in advance lol. Still stand by how no ones ever even talks about this being possible in other fights, I've only seen this even discussed once like 7 years ago on 1 fight on a DB fan wiki.
Yeah I agree with you, or the enemy can just destroy the them eyes and make them surrender. Shinobu fighting style in Demon Slayer would actually win against Maki/Toji and Majority of the JJK CAST, who doesn't have any RCT ability and their speed isn't faster than Shinobu.
Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb 🔥🔥 If you really think about it the coughing baby has 0 feats while the hydrogen bomb does, so who’s to say the coughing baby doesn’t just cough the nitrogen bomb out of existence. Coughing baby bodies the hydrogen bomb🥶
Fire!
You forgot to mention the passive buff Toji gets when fighting minors
This is canon, it’s part of his hidden cursed technique
Especially minors with absent fathers 💀
Damn toji really does only fight pre-teens and the elderly 💀
Not even a competition, tenten one shots.
Lmao
@@sixfromtokyosix i haven't watched the video yet but you're wrong
Need that Miwa vs Tenten battle.
Ngl that sounds like a badass fight, two weapon experts with superhuman capabilities
Can't deny the facts fr
Kid naruto gets angry and then slams 95% of jjk 😭
Delusional asf😂 typical naruto stans
I'm so glad you made the distinction between hakari's reaction speed and his general speed. a lot of power scalers seemingly ignore this majority of the time
Damn, this makes me wonder if Kimimaru could have soloed the team if he wasn't sick
Yes he could have. EASILY!
He would have 100% he almost killed Gaara and Lee,but died just in time lol
Nothing short of Gamabunta would've stopped Kimimaru from soloing.
Well since Edo Kimimaru survived till the reanimation jutsu was undone which included a head on encounter with KCM1 Naruto, without his ninja cancer he arguably can solo most of part 1.
after seeing what he could do WHILE SICK, i dont know why you would think he could not.
He might go after neji first considering in hidden inventory, his main concern was gojo due to his six eyes. Or maybe he'd go after naruto due to him being the kyubi jinchuriki. I don't think he'd worry about kiba, shikamaru, or choji until he took care of those two.
I feel like this really likely. Seeing neji have special eyes would probably make him a priority target....which be his absolute biggest mistake. Cause this does give shikamaru that opening as well as an opening for naruto through either rasengan or shadow clone barrage in combination with the others. Unfortunately...I feel like that would really fuck toji up. I really don't think he could handle combos or the damn rasengan. If one dies...Naruto bodies the shit out of him
If shikamaru get him in shadow possession he his done for
@@LuciferArc1to be completely fair toji could just as easily assume neji is blind
@@kingbo6831 I think toji is too physically strong to be held down by Shikamaru's shadow possession jutsu. He's far physically superior to Shikamaru which allows him to break out. He'd probably blitz and kill Neji immediately. We know Toji is physically strong enough to create air-pressure strong enough to fling debris with enough velocity to destroy organic matter without touching said debris or destroying it itself. And I think the shock would give Naruto pause at his speed. We can assume Naruto is faster than almost everyone there at that moment BESIDES Toji. I'd argue that Toji would take the opportunity of the initial shock to behead Naruto. Kurama can't heal that. The rest are done. This is all assuming all characters are within character
@@Oni-Diblitz neji ? Yeah aight 😂
I feel like the chain of a thousand miles is at least somewhat worth mentioning as part of Toji’s arsenal.
true especially since in this case he could use it to deal with multiple enemies
Kakashi comes in and solos.
@@landendrake true kind of irrelevant tho
@@guyhathansaintil5218 true but factual nonetheless
@@landendrake sure
Going off your scaling, could neji use a kunai at his top speed if he realises the gentle fist isnt working. Also, i do think the gentle fist would work on people without chakra based off how the technique and chakra work in naruto. He could use it to harm internal organs and blood vessels rather than one's chakra network. This wouldn't be too dissimilar from how medical ninja like kabuto use chakra scalpels to cut flesh.
Gentle fist is still effective even if its not against chakra points. It can be used against internal organs
the chakra scalpels also sever tendons and nerves so yea its def how it would work
Yeah, I’d imagine it’d be something similar to characters like Daredevil,Ty Lee,Shang Chi, and Iron Fist by striking at your pressure points.
Chakra doesn't move the muscle or bones but when hit by gentle fist it disables your body too. So I think it's chakra path + nerve damage.
Toji vs a bunch of kids. Really goes to show the power difference between Naruto/Boruto and JJK
Toji slams Boruto too he ain’t safe 🏃♂️💨☁️☁️☁️☁️
@@dominicwoodford5711kid Boruto solos Toji🤣
@@dominicwoodford5711I can argue normal boruto woops him if we use k one boruto he slams that fodder then ktwo which is the one he used against code he treats him like a toddler
Borushiki would memed on him
@@gameuniverse5973inverted spear of Heaven negs karma. Blitz with that and soul split katana kills monoshiki along with Boruto
bro is still to slow to react to kid burrito because if momo can’t effortlessly speed blitz kid burrito it puts him in ftl/mftl ranges of speed while people equivalent to him need hax to react to Mach 3 but idk about if he has the ap
Naoya’s speed statement continues to be inconsistent
Yuji at the start of Shibuya reacted to Piercing Blood, which is stated to be far faster than sound. Human Naoya at top speed is stated to be faster than subsonic speeds and is shown breaking the sound barrier, meaning he should be around Mach 1 according to the narrator, despite all of this, Naoya without even ramping up speed perception blitzes post Shibuya Yuji.
In other words, a weaker version of Yuji reacts to attacks faster than sound but a stronger version of him can’t react to something slower than sound.
Well Yuji was reacting to piercing blood at a big distance when he got up close he didn't react to it at all. Couple the sound speed with the trick of projection sorcery and it makes a bit more sense but I should've covered this in the video.
@@sixfromtokyo Naoya’s case also had distance involved, Yuji couldn’t perceive Naoya running to multiple meters away from him.
Yea it has distance but Naoya's CT messes with your perception. Idk if you know anything about FPS but seeing in a lower FPS makes things appear faster. If you want an example a quick look on youtube will show you it's just because it displays less information in the same second.@@guilha1506
@@sixfromtokyo I doubt it would be a big factor, the weird movement is secondary to the speed
If you want an example go play cod it’s a HUGE factor..
If we struggle with a video game and messed up fps then you better believe it’s a huge factor in their world
Six you are carrying the versus scene rn
thanks lol
facts but on Toji's Grave XD@@sixfromtokyo
This is such an out of no where comparison and I’m here for it
It was tlaked about on twitter so thsts prally where the idea came from
Assuming we all came to the conclusion that Toji gets bodied. Happy we're all on the same page.
I think some anime fans are so used to end game shippuden&Boruto feats they forget part 1 Naruto was VERY grounded in comparison.
Yea Kishimoto like sprinkled the OP stuff in part 1 and then exploited it in part 2.
Lightspeed Haku. Lighting speed Kid Kakashi. Bell test Sasuke vapourising a small crator from the ground.
@@UNKNOWNL3G3NDyeah and the fears make no sense cause if they were anywhere near lightspeed they would have reached sasuke instantly, the whole retrivial mission is them taking lots of time to reach them, if any of the character at that point where even a tenth of light speed they would have reached orochimaru in .1 second, also the only solid lightspeed feat in Naruto is Naruto dodging fang of light which is light speed, saying they are around light speed is like saying they’re as fast as SO6P Naruto, which is complete bs
There was literally a Kaiju fight in the second and third arcs.
Grounded my ass
Always love the cross-verse battles. Keep ‘em coming!
was not expecting to see you here
Great video as always. In regards to the Rock Lee vs Kimimaro situation, Databook 2 implies Lee actually DID get stronger:
"A phoenix burns itself in flames of fire and is resurrected in a new body. Lee also bets his life to have major surgery and gains new power." and "The fighter phoenix that is reborn in splendor!!".
New power would obviously be different than just regainning his chunin exam levels of power. While this is absurd, Lee showing up to help Naruto itself is absurd since he need Neji's help to climb stairs and had to convice him that he'd be able to do it himself. Barely able to climb stairs to fighting Kimimaro better than a KN0 Naruto.
Also, while Gara does state Lee is weaker than he was in the Chunin Exams, that was after Lee had used the Drunken Fist, something that amps him to a level at least comparable to the gates and Lee didn't want to use the gates because of the state of his body. So he started the fighted the fight with strength beyond his chunin exams self before becoming weaker than that version of himself.
In a sense, Lee is very much a mirror to Kimimaro here. Kimimaro wasn't even suposed to be able to move and yet he got up, still scales above the Sound 4, and gradually getting weaker and ultimately succomming to his illness.
It's possible Lee did get stronger but gains new power seems to be in reference to the fact he couldn't do anything and now he can again. The phoenix burns in fire and resurrected in a new body since obviously Lee didn't get a literal new body I think it's a fair interpretation.
You're right, that is a fair interpretation.
The wording to me seems to lean more to new power in general (the "reborn in splendor" part suggests it is more than just being reborn which given the Phoenix comparison, it seems that a normal rebirth would have brought Lee back to normal) given the Kimimaro fight and comparison to over 50 KN0 Naruto shadow clones seems to back that up, but going from having to give up on being a ninja to back to his former self would make sense to.
Of course, this gets into the comparison of KN0 Naruto throughout part one with his varying strength. Given his anger and the change in his eyes, I think it is fairly safe to say that the KN0 Naruto that fought Kimimaro is stronger than the one that fought Neji, but I understand there isn't anything as concrete to state that like the databook statement for valley of the end KN0 Naruto putting him above all previous versions of himself.
@@sixfromtokyoConsidering that toji has sasuke and naruto would know this wouldn't that mean that naruto would have a 9 tails amp right out the gate like what happened when he saw kimimaru. Not to mention that he can just spam shadow clones endlessly not mention nejis attacks also target vital organs and sever major arteries u don't have to have a chakra network to be affected, anyway nice vid this would be an interesting fight.
Light speed kirin makes more sense tbh unless you think itachi couldn’t react to young kakashi
💀 yeah when he blitz adult kakashi
Average day as toji being a middle aged man beating tf outa school children😭😭😭 (this isn’t a statement on how the fight goes, it’s a joke cuz that’s all his character fights)
It’s hard to imagine the other 4 couldn’t at least react to one or two of Tojis attacks if he went for them first, and if he’s distracted for even a few seconds, I feel like Neji can step in and control the fight from there. If Neji can buy the other 4 a little bit of time, I feel like they can distract him even further with hundreds of shadow clones. Toji would have to combat Neji and the clones while also watching out for shadow possession and the other 2 fighters. I see the group winning 8 times out of 10 and the only reason I’m not saying 10/10 is because Neji can’t attack Tojis chakra points.
Toji slipped on a bunny rabbit in one of the most recent episodes so if those little things can tie him up a little bit then Naruto’s clones with Neji should buy them enough time to think of a plan or provide an opening for a critical blow.
@@jacob_be_ez2374gentle fist should still mess up is organs
Even then I think gentle first and trigram techniques can harm people. Just because he doesn’t have chakra points doesn’t mean neji has to go for them. He can easily just go for joints or important body parts and destroy them internally. I don’t think toji really stands a chance. His scaling isn’t impressive in the naruto verse
@@CGR1410I honestly don’t see why he wouldn’t have chakra points lol chakra just means energy even. In the naruto vers without chakra u die it’s very so literally energy even tho lee who can’t do with slats has points regardless getting pierced in all those spots should restrict movement at least
@@frankiejones7858his body is completely reinforced like steel from perfected heavenly restriction. So nah
For anyone wondering about Amatarasu vs infinity. Amaterasu doesnt travel until after its spawned. The spawning of Amaterasu happens instantly wherever the caster is looking, It THEN travels with the focal point of the users eye. So if gojo gets hit with Amaterasu, his infinity is not blocking it. Hes getting hit with it since it only blocks incoming attacks that limitless can sense. Amaterasu is not that.
Amaterasu missed the Raikage in the 5 Kage summit. Even if limitless doesn’t block it, Gojo can teleport so it wouldn’t hit.
@@randommortal3383well raikge is fast very fast
@@randommortal3383 Gojo aint faster than Itachi
@@randommortal3383it only missed because sasuke hit his after image
@@randommortal3383 raikage’s reaction time allows him to react to things that have instant activation, Gojo has never and will never show those kinds of reactionary speed feats. Amaterasu would appear on him before his brain even thinks about teleporting.
I feel like we may be forgetting just how much Naruto's shadow clones could come into play.
Even if we assume that Naruto is massively slower than Toji, that still leaves like a thousand extra bodies to keep him relatively occupied. He can't just ignore a rasengan barrage afterall. I'd say given how shadow clones are basically always Naruto's opening move, that's what Toji would be stuck dealing with for a decent amount of time. Which should give the kids a window of opportunity to formulate a plan.
Idk, I personally don't think the chances are super high that Toji comes out on top against all 5 of them. Anyways, it's weird how Toji would only be like... A Chunin level threat in Naruto.
Also We don't know how the 9 tails comes at play here. With a very genuine threat to naruto,s life he might access the 1 tail transformation. Which would be a major disadvantage to toji as in the sakura hiden each tail of the 9 tails is stated to be of the order of magnitude being a 10 times amp. but i don't think toji would just allow naruto to be unconcious being able to access the 9 tails and he'd see that as a potential opening to kill him.
And theirs the fact the 9 tails might not just do anything at all as him lending power is inconsistent as hell.
happening at different moments.
@@Vascody Kurama would most deffinitely give Naruto power if Narutos life was in genuine danger because he would've died otherwise. Naruto can also force Kurama to give him Chakra at this point, at least to scale with Neji which scales above Toji
I don’t know why but I can’t stop thinking of Toji dealing with Naruto’s shadow clones the way he did Megumi’s Rabbit escape🤣
This gonna be a banger for sure 🔥
Hope so.
I think Maki catching the bullet can be something she specifically practiced for knowing her sister uses guns and they are common weapons. A curse with projection technique and jet propulsion moving erratically is not something you can get reps on whenever you want. Training with weapons you own on time makes something like catching a bullet possible for an enhanced human. Heck there is a man who can cut bullets and a man who can shoot an arrow launched at him alive right now on this planet.
Yeah nobody is cutting real bullets in half. Maybe airsoft bullets.
It might also be that the bullets used also have less propelent, therefore they would be slower if that's the case.
Sasuke literally just got healed by Tsunade after being out of commission for like 5 weeks and he was already struggling to use Lee's speed without losing too much stamina. And we want to compare Sasuke's rusty body to Naruto?
Damn, Kishimoto is cold for that rooftop fight pushing bro over the edge.
Fw the video, can’t wait for your video on gojo and makima
Six u were very very kind to the jjk fandom 😂😂😂 I’ll say tht much
I don't know much about JJK, and I do like the video. But I have 2 complaints about the Naruto scaling side.
1. Naruto vs Neji to scale his speed. People forget that Naruto basically won their fight WITHOUT Kurama except for Rotation, he used a bunch of clones and went to dogpile Neji which is when Neji pulled out Rotation. This implies some level of relativity to Lee as Neji learned Rotation during the training month and thus wasn't part of his fights with Lee. Or to put it more simply Lee can't beat no-Rotation Neji without 3rd Gate, Naruto could in base. And sure there are a lot of clones, but it's not like they are super durable, if Neji is noticeably faster he can slaughter them, we see him do that just before this when he thinks he found the real Naruto in the back and rushed through a bunch of clones to get him only to find out the real Naruto wasn't that one. Even if you say that only puts Naruto at half Neji, that's still well above the 29 Mach for Lee.
2. For Neji himself, yes the Gentle Fist is most known for it's ability to screw with Chakra, but it doesn't have to. Hinata almost dies in their fight because her heart was damaged, and Kakashi says no matter how much you train you can't harden your insides. Organs and such are vulnerable to Gentle Fist, just not as efficiently, Neji could still jab Toji's chest and attack his veins.
Its always great watching your videos i always enjoy going into scaling characters especially in cross verse it brings up a lot of interesting topics and forces you to think more objectively about abilities and how they interact
Love that you included akamaru in the beginning but forgot to mention shikamaru lmao
Toji no diffs, they are all minors so he gets the famous 200% buff vs teens
They definitely get the Dagon treatment there’s no way Playful Cloud doesn’t reck them. They can barely run on water and bro is having a whole MK death match on it
The wave alone kills half of them
@@dominicwoodford5711 Huh???? Naruto and Sasuke have an entire fight on top of a river in this same arc and its well known that Naruto has DOGSHIT chakra control
Kuruma wont let naruto die. Kuruma wins extremely easily.
@@GreyTackettforming the rasengan alone is a crazy feat of chakra control for Naruto. He’s also able to evenly spread his shadow clones so neji couldn’t decipher the real one.
@@obsidianquill7949 You mean the rasengan that he had to summon a clone to form? Or the fact that it's explained by Kakashi that the only reason he can do SCJ or MSCJ is cause he has so much chakra and he just brute forces chakra into it?
Stand proud genin, y’all are strong…
Fire video though! I’d say Toji just stomps the ground and pokes rocks at mach speeds or kicks rocks at them like he’s doing cars for a no diff
No lol💀
Well its not like they can't react to speed of sound
Fire video as always! Also on bit about Hakari dodging Kashimos lightning, the second time Kashimo uses his lightning on Hakari, he had already hit Hakari with that shipping container door that scrapped away half of his face and Kashimo immediately delivered the charges after that. This move by Kashimo may have been an attempt to disguise his intentions, but also stun Hakari since he knew Hakari was able to dodge the strike before, Kashimo even mentions that Hakari managed to heal the damage to his brain while simultaneously expelling Kashimo's CE from his body implying that the combination of both of these was supposed to do Hakari in as an improvement on his previous attempt to hit Hakari with the sure-hit lightning strike
please make more cross verse vids between naruto and jjk!!! i’ve been wanting these since forever!
You should do a vid on if toji had access to ki, also maybe a vid on what if samurai in naruto vers would've utilize ki instead of Chakra, would've like for the vers to have had at least to types of power or energy sources like how dragon ball has ki an magic but great vid Six keep it up bro 🤙
yea it was very disappointing that the anime didnt include the line of naobito is considered the fastest sorcerer besides gojo, however, that was when he had two arms
That line was in the anime tho
It was in the anime
it was in the anime
"However, that was when he had both arms" was not in the anime
@@o0ugi860 it wasnt, he just got fried by jogos fire, with no narrator voice
This is a dope idea
how do you always know exactly what i want without me knowing first?? love your vids man :)
Toji gets that "Fighting Teenagers" Buff
Another great vid six!
SIX REMEMBERED AKAMARU IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE HE’S A REAL ONE
Yess I commented for this on the Sukuna Tailed beat video let’s goo 🔥🔥🔥
I don't think you'll see this but I'm seriously starting to hate JJK powerscalers. Yall always pick the feats that sounds best and not what actually happened. The argument for why Hakari dodged Kashimo's lightning is always so disingenuous. No one ever gets the argument for why Hakari didn't dodge Kashimo's lightning right. The reason i say he didn't dodge his lightning and it was aimed for his shoulder is because right after the strike hit his shoulder, Kashimo didn't say anything about Hakari being able to dodge his lightning, he just said "time to pile on" as if taking his arm off was what he was trying to do. He was more surprised that Hakari counterattacked so fast than he was about Hakari "dodging" his lightning. Kashimo then aimed directly for his head while Hakari was looking at him and Hakari didn't/couldn't dodge it. If he aimed for his head and missed, why didn't Kashimo say anything about Hakari's speed?
Oh nah I gotta catch up on jjk😂😂I need to see what toji is like. I’m bouta binge that and get back to this video
I don’t think Naruto was really trying to fight kimimaro because he was in a rush to chase down sasuke. He even flat out states “I don’t have time for this” then you also believe in mental amps in naruto so the could have made him much weaker at that particular moment
Literally borrowed chakra from 9 tails....If that isn't trying idk wtf is.
@@jonikalemasi3062he didn’t willing borrowed his emotions is why it came out at this point naruto could control some of kurama chakara once bs neji and the other vs gaara. He didn’t look nowhere near as blood lusted as he did vs haku compared to kimmimaru . Another example six paths naruto wasn’t trying against sasuke as we all know but he had kurama amp and six paths chakara . Just because a character transform doesn’t mean they are going all out ssb goku wasn’t trying against krillin 🤷🏾♂️
@@GeoNidas117 Horrible example Naruto was going all out vs Sasuke he just wants trying to out right kill him he was going all out to cancel anything Sasuke threw at him at one point they were so equal they belw each other hands off. Was NARUTO superior to Sasuke for like 90% of the entire war arc and 6 paths fight yeah he was but that dose not mean he wasn't going all out he was just focused all hos power on defense and canceling out Sasukes shit. And The whole Emotion situation. That only ever happened to Naruto where he was pushed in to a corner and was powerless where his emotions took over....Thats literally wat happened. Goku vs Krillin is a horrible example cuz SJ blue offers goku perfect ki control to the point he can lower his base to that of a near regular human. Any other SJ forms of goku would probably accidentally get Krillin killed. So there u go. Anyways my point stands he was trying has hard as he could with what he was capable off. Kimimaru at the time if he wasn't sick he could prolly solo all the retrieval team alone ...The fact that orochimau said that If he wasn't sick he would be a perfect host nearly as powerful if not more powerful than a Uchiha host at the time.
Naruto fans see naruto get baked in a fight, tortured qnd almost killed and yet they always come up with the
"NArUto WaSnT TrYin" excuses😂
W video Man
Keep it up🫡🗣️
Before watching the video, I’ve had the stance that Red pill Choji washes. Kyuubi Naruto washes. Kiba loses. Neji reacts but probably loses. Shikamaru gets washed.
Now let’s see if we agree lol
You're gonna love the vid lol
24:00 Naruto had to convince Gamabunta in their first battle to help save entire Konoha against a tailed beast and he still mostly agreed because he saved his kid. If he did it against Sasuke he probably wouldn't care to help him. Vs Deidara or Orochimaru he was far too enraged to think clearly and because he treats those fights so personally, he probably wouldn't want to involve him in it even if he thought clearly. Vs Kakuzu obviously testing his new ninjutsu. Vs Sasuke during Tenchi Bridge he didn't even get the opportunity (and possibly wasn't able to due to immense fatigue). The only situation where it made most sense to me to use it was the 30% Itachi clone but Naruto probably just wanted to be team player and let Kakashi take the lead instead of just randomly nuking the battlefield.
How would you scale Gojo and Makima if they were in the Narutoverse? And how would they handle the likes of the Akatsuki (one on one)?
obito buttfucks them
1 word..."bang"
Narratively speaking or if you just tossed them in
@@player__0netossing in most don't have an answer for gojo until you get to kamui or other such hax
Narrative wise gojo would be rivalling the peak of the verse like eos naruto and sasuke
Gojo and Makima are getting absolutely whooped by the top tiers of the akatsuki, the lower tiers can't do much because of hax but they are mostly irrelevant anyway
Pretty sick concept
The best comeback against JJK characters scaling to lightning is pointing out that these lightning bolts aren't real lightning, and that assuming so would just be an appeal to reality
I'm pretty sure the manga says Kashimos CE does have the properties of lightning, so I don't think it's really a reach.
@@InvisibleMan-tb8keit actually does say that, so kashimo has real lightning
@@SosukeTYBW That's what I'm saying
@InvisibleMan-tb8ke basically, I ran into this guy who said that if Maki, who scales to Hakari, is only around the mach 3 range, then "lightning" in the JJK verse is only in that mach 3 range. This is only possible because, sometimes, things like light or lightning act differently in fictional stories
@@JuanFlores-gs7uu the same can be said about the speed of sound lmao its like that one argument that hxh is star level bc jupiter appears to be small. Jjk speed its just inconsistent.
Lol that last onscreen text about Gamabunta was so good
Bro forgot they all got Shadow clones and replacement jutsu
Speed ain’t saving them kids from this massacre
In no universe can Toji even deal with them. He gets speed blitzed and one shot.
Hey six! Just wanted to say love your vids, an I’m glad you don’t pick favorites. You pretty real when it comes to scaling, toji is such a good character gonna miss him from here on out of the anime
I think Kirin is Light Speed.
I've never heard of that Lee feat. What the heck?
Maybe Lee got a Zenaki after the hospital but yeah it's like a lot of weird situations where characters at this point are never really "FULL POWER".
I like this music...
Soul Split.
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I think Kishimoto just didn't want to draw Bunta as well as earlier it's kinda hard to tell if Bunta would help but that's a funny Win condition I could see the Slash vs Slash as a QTE event to take out Toji.
I love the name Playful Cloud just felt like putting it here at the end.
Playful cloud immediately became one of my favorite weapons, really across all of anime.
@@InvisibleMan-tb8ke Yay! Someone likes Playful cloud!
Him saying it was a bit too much 3:50 doesn’t make it invalid and/or irrelevant as he didn’t specifically say that it was a invalid feat, rather he just states that he went a bit overboard with said feat.
I hope 6 makes more cross verse videos with Naruto and jjk
I will.
Toji upgraded from Child Neglect to Child Abuse in this one lmfao.
Yeah more naruto I know you're probably don't like doing it all the time but I love naruto
That music during Toji speed scaling tho
Knew someone was gonna do it 😭😭😭
Yo Six! Not sure if you will see this comment but you can argue that the reason naruto wasn't as fast as Lee during their interactions with Kimimaru is that he might have been nerfed. What I mean is that previously all of the Genin had a significant portion of their Chakra drained by Jorobo, so you might be able to make the case that Base Naruto should still potentially scale to the Mach 29 Feat. This would be consistent as even in the Chunin exams Neji felt threatened enough by naruto that he activated his Byakugan to fight him.
I considered that but Naruto getting chakra from Kurama should have patched that up.
@@sixfromtokyo True, but also don't shadow clones at this point massively nerf each clone? (Seen as in his fight against Sasuke on the roof top.)
Late watch but W vid . And thats from a Toji hater 🤷♂️
I think a good reason for the bullet feat is to simply say Maki was reacting to the bullet being fired but not the bullet itself traveling to her.
I think this is the case but also, my man said the bullet moved way over Mach 3 which?? Brother that was not an anti-material round, that was probably either a .38 special or .357 magnum and the fastest either of those go isn't even Mach 2 and that's *the fastest* most .38 special are subsonic rounds
17:20 Average bleach fan argument 😭
Nice vid six
Can we get a Naruto pain arc vs the whole atot / rumbling
Bro a couple thousand narutos with rasengans ends the rumbling
Peak dropped
Man, Toji giving PTSD to a group of teenagers again...
Big miss six, neji is most likely able to REACT to everything until gate 3 levels of speed. He literally has one of the best defenses in naruto and is real intelligent. Am I wrong or right? opinions?
You're not wrong and I thought about that but I didn't want to seem like I was coming off trying to downplay part 1 so I figured why not be generous in this specific area.
I mean do you think Pre RCT Gojo loses to Neji?
@@dominicwoodford5711Neji has higher stats, but also can't hit Gojo.
@@voidtempering8700 obviously so who wins in your opinion and why?
@@dominicwoodford5711 Well it's stated that Toji would never have been able to beat Pre-RCT Gojo without 3 full days of prep and the only reason he was able to get in a hit that mattered was because of the ISOH which was unknown to Gojo. Toji just found the 1/50 instance where he beats Gojo and happened to awaken a monster after the fact
Proud to be the 99,9?? subscriber, you're only a few broskis close to the 100K keep it up dude
I’m still confused as well cause forest of death worn out curse mark Sasuke point blank dodged zaku super sonic sound wave and moved Naruto and Sakura out the way. The sound 4 are multiple times stronger then this Sasuke was. Sakun was toying with him and kicked a post kakshi training curse mark Sasuke away casually and sasuke was angry and lunging at him with curse mark active so you can’t say he wasn’t trying. It’s also the fact temari swung her fan point black while sound waves were super close to her to push them away. And tamari thinks shikamaru is quick. Neji should still scale above that forest of death Sasuke. Neji can keep up with and counter the force of kyubi amp naruto and be the one standing only to lose from a clone fake out.
Oooo this is a really interesting fight
Even if Naruto does summon Gamabunta it wouldn't matter, because it's very unlikekly that Gamabunta would listen to him. It's like you and Swag recently mentioned on his channel about Naruto's fight with Sasuke. If Naruto summoned Gamabunta in that fight he would have definitely won, but Gamabunta is temperamental. The only reason he listened during the Shukaku fight was because Gamakichi was there and he wanted to protect his son.
I don’t know Gamabunta always says he won’t listen but always does anyway😂
@@RulerOfYore Well Naruto only summoned him twice to my knowledge anyways; the first time was during Naruto's training with Jiraya, and the second was in his fight with Shukaku.
@@aurthurpendragon1015I thought Naruto gained his respect after beating garra?
@@jinmali True, but even Jiraya had trouble getting him to do what he was told, and JIraya knew him for much longer.
Banger
who would win if sasuke retrieval team fight against deidara?
Deidara with absolutely no difficulty
Bruh... the sand 3, kakashi, and lee could all help, and everyone is still dead.
If sasuke is there they win, deidara would be all like
"Damnit thats my art, that's what irks me about you uchiha scum"
And then he would kill himself
Speed is so important in this one
You weren't kidding when you said Toji was the easy one to talk about
Toji also has a gun.
Let's not forget that 😂
Talk no Jutsu your way out of that lmao
Yea let's not forget kishimoto said guns can end the verse
@@SosukeTYBWWell that's bullshit.
It doesn't lol@@SosukeTYBW
Based on your video I'm failing to see how Toji would stand even the slightest chance. Sounds like he's moving at a snail's pace compared to almost all of them. Add to that Naruto's shadow clones and I feel like he'd be overwhelmed.
One thing to keep in mind with potential verse = is the bugs toji deploted. They successfully threw off the six eyes worn the energy they gave off, which could similarly throw off Neji & lead toji to a lethal strike
He would probably destroy them like he did the spiders. And he could also use his rotation if he wants to kill them faster
@@ahmodhoward2334kidomaru launched a similar number of spiders at neji and it didn't matter.
I dont think this would work; cursed energy isn't something you could argue Neji could see. You cant compare six eyes to the byakugan, because the Byakugan by comparison just lets Neji have zero blindspots side from one specific angle mid air, which Toji probably wouldn't go for even as a by chance attack,
byakugan sees chakra and has been fooled by blankets of it before. The cursed bugs give off chaff cursed energy similar to chakra@@Habib_Xon
@@RampioreRegis i would never say that the byakugan. Which has only ever seen chakra, also be able to see a whole different type of energy. Thats wayy too head cannony but you do you
This video was basically,
“Can Toji run faster than some kids?”
Shadow with a gun solos
14:55 I have a theory on this matter that admittedly is just a headcanon but I believe Sasuke lost his ability to mimick Lee's speed after the Chunin Exams. During the Chunin Exams, Sasuke laser focused his sharinghan abilities into copying Lee's movements which is how he was able ot match weightless Lee, however since his body isn't as naturally fit as Lee's, that's not really Sasuke's natural speed it's just a boost he had for a bit due ot the Sharinghan that his body gradually forgot afterwards because it couldn't keep up. I believe it makes sense since we basically never see Sasuke doing nay taijutsu that's equivalent's to Lee afterwards in the show, the fact that Sasuke was also aditionally hospitalised for weeks makign it even more likely that his body forgot the effects of his trianing to match Lee even more propable.
This is how i saw the fight playing out: Toji gets choji first as in my opinion hes the weakest maybe not in physical strength but overall ability and the fact naruto has a plot armor thing. Then kiba with his heigtened senses helps them survive a bit and dodge Tojis attacks while shikamaru is running battle analysis. Before he can use shadow posession however Toji then takes out kiba lowering their ability to sense and react.
While having done that Toji of course would have noticed their physical differences and then assumed naruto was the least refined leading to him taking out naruto. I then see neji holding toji off while Toji goes for shikamaru realizing nejis the greatest threat after shikamaru lands a shadow paralysis jutsu which i dont believe can hold toji but can cautch him off gaurd/slowhim down/give them an opening. Shikamaru is about to get taken out and neji knowing hes their tactician takes a blow for him taking him out. Shikamaru alone now.
Naruto with a ninetails amp gets up and starts swapping hands long enough for the others to rally and shikamaru then has his battle plan and then they take out Toji from there. I see them winning this fight vast majority.
Bro you’re crazy if you think he’s swapping hands with a nine tails rage amp Naruto especially after seeing some of his best friends get slaughtered right in front of him he could str8 up be a low akatsuki threat with unlimited reverse curse healing atp lol the nine tails physically would never let Naruto get caught off guard and being the son of the fastest ninja to ever exist naruto is not slow definitely not slower than toji. Especially since even child minato would definitely blitz any form of toji and he’s not nine tails amped with uzumaki chakra levels
@@alexproctor524 I didnt say toji wouldn't be on the defensive or have any advantage over Naruto I mainly mean it would be like a pain situation where he's doing stuff and it isn't working and he's been kept busy long enough that the rest get their second wind. Naruto in that phase never has been shown to go past 1 tail toji at the least can evade and be distracted long enough.
Fun idea for a video hadn’t heard the idea for the fight before
I'll say this before watching off the top. Toji bodied a guy with the Deva paths abilites. Dont think the kids got a chance.
Man... I didn't even think of making that comparison bro...
toji doesnt have the same stats as the deva neither does gojo the kids speed blitz
via haku scaling , and nothing contradicts
yea ok buddy lol@@Dpbihh
@@sixfromtokyo nice debunk bro honestly never liked your takes. dont know why your videos keep showing up . if your sitting here telling me toji has the same stats or higher as pain then your just a joke honestly. sage mode naruto was throwing around a giant rhino summon thats way bigger and heavier than anything toji ever tossed , plus if your gonna try and scale toji to lightspeed thru kashino even if i give u that ill
just use hakus feat to scale the deva path to mftl and toji doesnt even scale to kashimo or sukuna he lost to a young gojo and sakuna mid - lowed diffed a older more powerful one so toji wouldnt scale at all but go ahead and ride off other peoples clout
Deva was stronger than Gojo. Deva path destroy the leaf village. Deva path almighty push some of the toad out of the village. Deva path can control people and take people soul if he use Gedo.
JUST REMEMBER HAKU MOVED AT LIGHT SPEED IN HIS MIRROR JUTSU, AND NARUTO CAUGHT HIM , AND SASUKE KEPT TRACK OF HIM. ROCK LEE IS PACKING BOTH OF THEM.
LEE IS FASTER AND STRONGER THAN TOJI BY HUGE MARGIN
TOJI'S B EST FEET IS MACH10
If you watch or read JoJo, how would you scale The Crusaders (JoJo part 3) in the Narutoverse? Although JoJo characters are weak physically probably only around athlete or peak human level (only some of them have extraordinary physicals like Ultimate Kars), they have broken hax and speed (they're at the very least is light speed). But The Crusaders is not that broken when you compare them to Valentine who would solo Naruto and Boruto probably no difficulty
They get blitz hard and get screwed by almost any area of effect attack like rasenshuriken
“Screw them kids”
-toji
About the final statement in the video - if in character Toji is hired by Orochimaru to get Sasuke back, then Toji in character would have research done and a plan on who he would target and what strategies to use agains them, like he did with Gojo?
His research won't have sasuke curse mark transformation
@@chalbramwell5353why would orochimaru nit tell him that he gave sasuke the curse mark if he wants Toji to bring him back alive?
We get it, bro. You like jjk
"He doesn't have a Chakra network" why make the vid then??
Because it's interesting outside of that.@@jessethompson6012
I don’t think it’s logical to disregard byakugan jutsu because their opponent doesn’t have chakra. It’s still inflicting pain on joints and damaging the opponents body internally.
Good Vid, but I disagree with some of the scaling. Mach 3 is really inconsistent, and say Hakari can react to the lightning, Kashimo tagging him would mean he would somewhat scale to the speed of the calc. I dont think Hakari reacted to it but it doesn’t matter much in the grand scheme of things
What if toji used the bugs he used against gojo to slow down neji like kidomaru
Interesting... I like that idea.
But didn’t that only block gojos vision? If neji can see through walls couldn’t he just see through the bugs?
Rotation
This vids tuff😂, idk jjk just looks more impressive on screen with their feats then naruto and pre-itachi v sasuke arc naruto shippuden tbh
His speed is quite literally his greatest asset and his weapons destroy them. He will literally kill all of them together even.
if Naruto go rage it's over for toji though 😂
@@Twix44 I think he would need at least 4 tails to win tbh
@@deathangeleas2401 i think if he can regrate from Naruto getting his lungs ripped out i think he can heal from anything toji dish out
please do infinity vs kamui not obitio vs gojo i would love to hear ur thoughts
One kind win con that I never see used in any vs debate is what if the faster character just disarms and uses the stronger character's weapon? Like Neji could possibly just take Toji's soul cutting katana and use it on him if he has a significant speed advantage.
Gege goes on to say Toji and Maki have the strongest grip in JJK, so its doubtful Neji (Who is not physically stronger than base Lee only faster and more skilled) could disarm Toji.
@@khulmach9662 That is a strangely specific thing for Gege to state, like he is thinking 5 steps ahead by future proofing any potential vs arguments in advance lol. Still stand by how no ones ever even talks about this being possible in other fights, I've only seen this even discussed once like 7 years ago on 1 fight on a DB fan wiki.
@@themacewens Yeah, he also said.
Ignoring curse energy, Toji, Gojo, Kenjaku, and Sukuna are basically equals as martial artist/fighters
@@khulmach9662u literally just made this shit up. neji solos lmao
Yeah I agree with you, or the enemy can just destroy the them eyes and make them surrender.
Shinobu fighting style in Demon Slayer would actually win against Maki/Toji and Majority of the JJK CAST, who doesn't have any RCT ability and their speed isn't faster than Shinobu.
Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb 🔥🔥
If you really think about it the coughing baby has 0 feats while the hydrogen bomb does, so who’s to say the coughing baby doesn’t just cough the nitrogen bomb out of existence. Coughing baby bodies the hydrogen bomb🥶