Great advice. Most new shooters or those using a red dot think there is a magical shortcut to getting faster at finding the dot/target. Dry fire is such a great training technique and also way way under used by shooters.
I still find irons more reliable when it comes to quickly finding them. And irons are good out to 50 yards easily, so well within the context of USPSA and even more so defensive shootings. So I don't blame you. However it's preference, some people with bad eye sight can't find their irons anymore and they're gonna have to transition to the dot and work on their index, either that or start shooting from the hip like Bob Munden.
Again - excellent advice. My biggest problem finding the dot occurs when I transition from free style to weak hand only. I know I know - dry fire dry dry fire and watch the target. Thanks Ben.
I appreciate your content very much. I’m excited to see how competitive shooting evolves when enough people get fed up with the USPSA administration. In the mean time, thank you very much Consistent master grip and thumbs forward each time put my dot exactly in the middle every time. I struggled a long time until one day it just clicked, you have to grip and present consistently and the dot will just be there, rather than practicing and training to find it quickly, which is what I think most new dot users wind up doing. Finding the dot easily has to be the result of your actions, not the focus of them.
Thank you Ben. This is what I’m spending my time on just having an index and bringing the dot once my eyes are on the target. Instead of keeping my eyes on the red dot.
The dryfire advice is obviously correct, but I’ll add that when I really got my grip sorted out it made things better. Another piece of advice is to dryfire odd positions. I see a lot of shooters who are fine when they get to use the normal stance or something similar but are slow as hell when they need to lean or something that doesn’t show up in their dryfire training.
The mental process I used to learn indexing is I do not think about "i Need to find the dot" I look at the target and think "i must align the gun/barrel straight to the target" at that point once the gun is aligned, if the dot is not at my eye level it's just a matter of fixing the height of the gun, depending on the mount height. After some training it became automatic
Thinking about "I need to find the dot" usually leads to someone trying to move the head instead of the gun, in my experience. I think this error is more frequent with people used to shooting at distance with scopes that have an eye relief.
Well said. I’ve always been against the “drop from 12” method. Train until the index is second nature and the dot will always be there, and it’s faster.
I am new to gun ownership and I learned about you from my son-in-law. I try to follow your drills and focus on proper sighting, but I think I need a tutorial on dry-firing. Sorry if this is a really silly question, but do you have a video on dry fire basics?
Now the tricky part is developing this index between different platforms. I shoot a P226 and a Glock and it takes a while to "get used to" my presentation.
@@formerpilgrim4934 Mike Pannone gave a good tip about this. He says if you really cam your support hand wrist forward (support hand thumb forward) that the dot will be there every single time. I tried it and it works.
Indexing is very important, I have a RMSC sized dot on my ccw pistol and the window is small enough that it forces you to index and if you stare for the dot its almost impossible because the window is so small so I have to remain target focused and practice indexing constantly
Inside of 10 yards the dot is useless. You better be sending rounds from the hip that close, you won’t have time to bring the gun to eye level. We are defensive shooters, someone will have a weapon out and ready to go before we can even draw. Unless you are a cop
BINGO! The guru jedis are selling a specific brand of optic or a class, as the ONLY way to acquire the dot. NOT! Practice the draw/target index/dot/trigger.....THANK YOU!
Just getting into practical pistol. I have 2 guns getting red dots for CO. This is what I'm most curious to see where i am at. I dry fired a good bit with a single action revolver from a holster a few years back.... not sure how quick i will pick up indexing now.
Love your videos and watch all the time. You were just at our club, OCSC, Monday 10/16, with a good turnout in the rain. What red dot is on the gun you are using in this video?
Ben, your discussion in this video has convinced me to purchase your dryfiring book. Would buying on Amazon be the ideal way to purchase the book to ensure you get the max cut of the sale? Thanks in advance!
I feel like if you spent time building up your presentation for irons, then you should not take a ton of time to get your presentation with a dot. I have never had an issue getting my dot to show up in standard positions, but when I am on my side or on my back I definitely find myself thinking, "I need to rep this more at home".
Why use such a long gun with a red-dot, when the sight radius doesn't matter? Why not shoot a 45/17/47, since it seems a shorter slide is going to return faster?
I like Ben. I like that he is terse and has little patience for BS. I think he would proudly admit to being a bit of an asshole, especially when talking to/about people teaching stupid stuff that doesn't work.
There are no shortcuts folks. Put in the practice. Do the work. Do the reps. And once you’re able to find the dot consistently, don’t worry about “pinpoint accuracy” because the dot always “shakes”. You’ll never stop the dot movement. When the dot is on target, take the shot. It’s called a reflex sighting system for a reason. But take his advice here. Basically, just do the work.
It's interesting how motivating a two cent ribbon and bragging rights can be . I remember when the "Press Out" was a popular technique. Is this "drop the dot", or pinky pressure, or co-witness iron sights the Red Dot equivalent? The scary part is a lot of concealed carry and LE only shooters aren't going to put in the time to learn property. Some might go to a two day class and as you said - two weeks of dry fire is the answer - and they are going to learn some technique and think they're good Or they'll watch some insta vid or read about a technique on a forum and try to copy it.
Best answer is 100% co-witness. I have the s&w shield plus. 100% co-witness. I treat it like irons and the dot is there. Not with a 30+ year old glock. 😊
This doesn't make any sense. If both your irons and your dot are perfectly zeroed, when you align your irons it's physically impossible for your red dot to not also be on target no matter what the cowitness height is. There's minute differences from things like parallax but the dot is gonna be there. If you have the index to shoot tall cowitnessed irons... You have the index to shoot a dot. It's the exact same index. Again, this makes no sense. All you're doing is blocking more of your window. If you like a higher cowitness rather than a lower one, that's fine. But there is no difference between the index of a dot in the center of your glass vs the index of irons in the center of your glass. Therefore there is no reason to go out and get taller irons to learn the same exact index.
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I can find my dot. Just give me a few minutes. 😂
Lol
I like your no BS videos, straight and to the point
I find your lack in basic fundamentals in indexing, disturbing.
Great advice. Most new shooters or those using a red dot think there is a magical shortcut to getting faster at finding the dot/target. Dry fire is such a great training technique and also way way under used by shooters.
I took all my dots off, I can line up irons faster
I still find irons more reliable when it comes to quickly finding them. And irons are good out to 50 yards easily, so well within the context of USPSA and even more so defensive shootings. So I don't blame you. However it's preference, some people with bad eye sight can't find their irons anymore and they're gonna have to transition to the dot and work on their index, either that or start shooting from the hip like Bob Munden.
Love the mouse analogy...I'll use that in class
Again - excellent advice. My biggest problem finding the dot occurs when I transition from free style to weak hand only. I know I know - dry fire dry dry fire and watch the target. Thanks Ben.
One physical cue I like is bringing the backplate up to your nose. Works well for me and new dot shooters I’ve taught
That mouse cursor metaphor is perfect. I'm definitely going to use it. Thanks!
I appreciate your content very much. I’m excited to see how competitive shooting evolves when enough people get fed up with the USPSA administration. In the mean time, thank you very much
Consistent master grip and thumbs forward each time put my dot exactly in the middle every time. I struggled a long time until one day it just clicked, you have to grip and present consistently and the dot will just be there, rather than practicing and training to find it quickly, which is what I think most new dot users wind up doing. Finding the dot easily has to be the result of your actions, not the focus of them.
Thanks for all these videos Ben.
It's a relief to hear that purely practicing will get me over this. I have just got a dot after around 7 years of shooting.
Thank you Ben. This is what I’m spending my time on just having an index and bringing the dot once my eyes are on the target. Instead of keeping my eyes on the red dot.
This info is gold if you wanna shoot faster or shoot in competitions
Thanks for the advice, the mouse comparison broke the puzzle for me.
Thanks for the advice, I am trying to absorb every bit of good advices. I just subscribed, good stuff boss!!!
Excellent as always. Thanks very much for sharing these tips.
Couldn’t agree more. Great overview.
thank you for putting your knowledge out there
One of my many problems, thanks for the info
mouse analogy is rly good
The dryfire advice is obviously correct, but I’ll add that when I really got my grip sorted out it made things better. Another piece of advice is to dryfire odd positions. I see a lot of shooters who are fine when they get to use the normal stance or something similar but are slow as hell when they need to lean or something that doesn’t show up in their dryfire training.
100%
Kneeling around corners, under vehicles, at steep angles(stairs), lying in bed…etc
The mental process I used to learn indexing is
I do not think about "i Need to find the dot"
I look at the target and think "i must align the gun/barrel straight to the target" at that point once the gun is aligned, if the dot is not at my eye level it's just a matter of fixing the height of the gun, depending on the mount height. After some training it became automatic
Thinking about "I need to find the dot" usually leads to someone trying to move the head instead of the gun, in my experience.
I think this error is more frequent with people used to shooting at distance with scopes that have an eye relief.
Idol . Thanks coach
Thanks Ben!
Well said. I’ve always been against the “drop from 12” method. Train until the index is second nature and the dot will always be there, and it’s faster.
Great intel!
Good stuff. None of that dropping or wave BS.
Soild information 👍
I am new to gun ownership and I learned about you from my son-in-law. I try to follow your drills and focus on proper sighting, but I think I need a tutorial on dry-firing. Sorry if this is a really silly question, but do you have a video on dry fire basics?
This guy has entire books
Aloha from Hawaii's 2A community 🤙🏽
Now the tricky part is developing this index between different platforms. I shoot a P226 and a Glock and it takes a while to "get used to" my presentation.
I'm in the exact same boat as you. 226 & Glock
The Glock to 226 transition. you are not alone!!!
With a 226 I'm dead on instantly, with a Glock the dot is always high and to the left!
@@formerpilgrim4934 Mike Pannone gave a good tip about this. He says if you really cam your support hand wrist forward (support hand thumb forward) that the dot will be there every single time. I tried it and it works.
Press out using Iron sights and the red dot will come into view.
Please don’t do this
Indexing is very important, I have a RMSC sized dot on my ccw pistol and the window is small enough that it forces you to index and if you stare for the dot its almost impossible because the window is so small so I have to remain target focused and practice indexing constantly
Makes me wonder if getting a dot with a larger window is really necessary, if indexing is good.
Inside of 10 yards the dot is useless. You better be sending rounds from the hip that close, you won’t have time to bring the gun to eye level.
We are defensive shooters, someone will have a weapon out and ready to go before we can even draw. Unless you are a cop
How much pinky pressure do you recommend applying 😂
87.14% of max pressure
Thanks!
TIME IN PRACTICE. no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
BINGO! The guru jedis are selling a specific brand of optic or a class, as the ONLY way to acquire the dot. NOT! Practice the draw/target index/dot/trigger.....THANK YOU!
Jedlinski advocates casting the pistol to find the dot before you find the target!
Just getting into practical pistol. I have 2 guns getting red dots for CO. This is what I'm most curious to see where i am at. I dry fired a good bit with a single action revolver from a holster a few years back.... not sure how quick i will pick up indexing now.
Love your videos and watch all the time.
You were just at our club, OCSC, Monday 10/16, with a good turnout in the rain.
What red dot is on the gun you are using in this video?
I’m going to link to this video the next time some pistol-forum/local forum goofball is claiming dots made them “slower.”
Ben, your discussion in this video has convinced me to purchase your dryfiring book. Would buying on Amazon be the ideal way to purchase the book to ensure you get the max cut of the sale? Thanks in advance!
I’m finding that I keep losing my dot on off angle/leaning shots and it’s losing me a full second or two on those stages
I feel like if you spent time building up your presentation for irons, then you should not take a ton of time to get your presentation with a dot. I have never had an issue getting my dot to show up in standard positions, but when I am on my side or on my back I definitely find myself thinking, "I need to rep this more at home".
I hope that in 5 years nobody will be arguing about this anymore.
Why use such a long gun with a red-dot, when the sight radius doesn't matter?
Why not shoot a 45/17/47, since it seems a shorter slide is going to return faster?
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I thought everyone used the press-out?
Does dot or fiber optic color matter? I like green because I can see it but for target focused shooting would that be a bad thing?
Ben might be a little bit of an @sshole, but he damn sure knows what he is talking about and how to get it across to students.
I think he just has very little patience for bullshit, that doesn't make you an asshole.
I like Ben. I like that he is terse and has little patience for BS. I think he would proudly admit to being a bit of an asshole, especially when talking to/about people teaching stupid stuff that doesn't work.
Eye don’t find the dot. The dot finds eye.
You mean I have to work at it!? Can't I just take a pill?
Wait, you mean I don't fast for a week, eat peyote and go on a Dot Quest in the desert? Weird.
There are no shortcuts folks. Put in the practice. Do the work. Do the reps. And once you’re able to find the dot consistently, don’t worry about “pinpoint accuracy” because the dot always “shakes”. You’ll never stop the dot movement. When the dot is on target, take the shot. It’s called a reflex sighting system for a reason. But take his advice here. Basically, just do the work.
It's interesting how motivating a two cent ribbon and bragging rights can be . I remember when the "Press Out" was a popular technique. Is this "drop the dot", or pinky pressure, or co-witness iron sights the Red Dot equivalent? The scary part is a lot of concealed carry and LE only shooters aren't going to put in the time to learn property. Some might go to a two day class and as you said - two weeks of dry fire is the answer - and they are going to learn some technique and think they're good Or they'll watch some insta vid or read about a technique on a forum and try to copy it.
MSP just went REEEEEEEE
Put in the work? No thanks. I think I’m just going to invent a red dot high mount for my pistol. Higher is better, amirite?!
Best answer is 100% co-witness. I have the s&w shield plus. 100% co-witness. I treat it like irons and the dot is there. Not with a 30+ year old glock. 😊
No, no it’s not
@TexasRedneck interesting. So finding irons is easier than a dot? If you 100% co-witness the dot will always be there.
@@richardwilliams9815 if you have your consistent index then you don’t need iron sights. You’re using them as a crutch.
@TexasRedneck but you also own a glock that hasn't changed anything since the 1980's. Like me saying my berreta 92fs is the best gun ever🤷♂️
This doesn't make any sense. If both your irons and your dot are perfectly zeroed, when you align your irons it's physically impossible for your red dot to not also be on target no matter what the cowitness height is. There's minute differences from things like parallax but the dot is gonna be there.
If you have the index to shoot tall cowitnessed irons... You have the index to shoot a dot. It's the exact same index. Again, this makes no sense. All you're doing is blocking more of your window.
If you like a higher cowitness rather than a lower one, that's fine. But there is no difference between the index of a dot in the center of your glass vs the index of irons in the center of your glass. Therefore there is no reason to go out and get taller irons to learn the same exact index.
❤the show thanks