Can't Find The Red Dot When You Are Drawing?
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2017
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My thoughts on how to become better AND faster at finding the red dot on your presentation or draw.
Hat tip to Nate Perry for the quote,"Shot timer don't care about your smooth". 
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Garand Thumb sent me here
same, ty daddy garand
Same
Me, too. Better late than never.
Yep. Same
Me too.
I have a method that worked absolutely WONDERS for me. I've primarily fired from irons and high power scopes but as of recent got really into hand guns with the use of compact red dots. I was having a hell of a time getting my alignment right, especially when from holster or low ready.... This method is primarily beneficial for those that want to find that dot as quickly as possible from holster or low ready but can easily be worked into realignment through recoil.... It's going to sound silly but first make sure the gun is clear and ammunition in a separate room... Next find a room in the house that's as close to pitch black as possible with enough room for yourself to draw uninhibited. Now, just simply work on your draw / low ready to ready. The more pitch black the room is the better. This helps with muscle memory especially but don't cheat! If when you bring the pistol into the ready position you can't see your dot, don't use your wrists to fish around trying to find the dot, just simply reset and try again! You of course don't want to start this process without already having enough muscle memory to know how you should feel when just doing irons at the range. This way you can quickly incorporate your current into the ready comfortably into this new practice without developing any new bad habits. For me when I first started it was kind of frustrating because I was having a hell of a time finding the dot but I would fish around with my wrists after already having the gun in ready position at eye level. Once I cut that out it only took a few more resets and then I was finding it almost each and every time since I cut out the bad habit with the wrists. Once you are almost 100% consistently getting that dot found on each draw you then take a few minute break to relax and then repeat with the lights on. I know it sounds silly but honestly it doesn't take too much practice. Once you can consistently get it down in the dark you're already developing proper muscle memory that becomes natural when incorporating the practice from dark to light. Hope this helps someone out there that might be thinking red dots might not be for them because of repeated frustration. It certainly helped me immensely!
I suppose you locked the door of the separate room that the ammunition was in just in case it came into your room and loaded itself into your gun ... Stupidity at its finest 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@gdbynoe locked both doors, had to get mommy to help me out of the one I locked myself into.
This is similar to how i taught myself how to play guitar solos. I would practice scales in the dark. All by feel
@@byronbranch4645 Dude shut up! This is EXACTLY how I got so much better at guitar! Since it worked so well with guitar I've been implementing the practice to other muscle memory type things like conceal drawing, dot alignment.... Etc. Lmao that's crazy that you did the same.
@@TerminalM193 at first i thought you were mad 😂😂😂. But yeah man it worked wonders. Also my friend's mom growing up was a concert violinist that could play fast as shit. So i asked her what i should do for solos. And she said "stop looking at your hand, look where you want your hands to go". I could solo right after that lololol
just saw you on Garand Thumb .... great info
Same here
Same here.
This was brilliant. I just followed along with you a couple times doing this and now I’m a master at assessing my own issues. Thank you
Yes... a guy who DOES NOT over complicate instruction. Bravo 👏🏽 and gives you the why
Just mounted my red dot. I have to say this is the best training vid I've seen! Simple and easy! Thanks sir....
I recently switched to a red dot and was having A LOT of trouble lining up the gun and finding the dot. The video helped and I will continue to get my reps in. Thank you!
Makes 2 of us lol
Very Solid - I think the biggest worry in transitioning to the RMR on a pistol is losing speed from draw to first shot because you miss the dot. Thanks for a great lesson!
Thank you so much for this video brother!!! I wore my arms out doing this drill, lol. I have improved drastically, thank you! Wish I could train with you.
Building neuro-pathways is king. Reps, reps, reps. Pure gold on how you describe yet another facet of the art of handgun manipulation, Jedi. Thank you for all the gucci knowledge and effort you put in. And kudos to Yeti for "no ready" 😆
I find that the thumb on my support hand REALLY helps me with acquiring sight of the dot. When I focus on pointing that thumb toward the target, I'm using my body to naturally line up the barrel with the target, and so the dot shows up more consistently since the gun is fairly well aligned already. My support thumb is being used as a natural indexing point for aiming.
I'm a little surprised that I haven't heard this tip before anywhere; I had to figure it out on my own. Trainers I've seen tend to just say "practice over and over" and refer to natural hand-eye coordination rather than something specifically helpful. Though maybe I'm missing something; I'm no expert.
If no one taught you to point your support hand (lead) thumb at the target, then 1 of 2 things happened. Option A is you are self-taught. Option B is you were not well-coached. Glad you figured it out! Good job.
Dj from gbrs talks about pointing thumb forward towards threat on one of his vids
I can find it easily now. Thank you very much. Been practicing for a few days since I saw your video with Garand Thumb.
Jedi, thanks for the 1 on 1 training!! Your the man! I'm already a lot better!
Very good tips video. Impressive! Not so many folks...even among people who try to teach pistol...actually believe in the actual building blocks of physical skills excellence, much less know how to use them to troubleshoot and correct errors. You demonstrated both in this short video. Nice!
I am very new to reddit sight and watched one of your videos on finding your dot. It was very informative and many good techniques. The best one for me was presenting the gun with the front slightly proud to see the front sight and as I push out I squeeze my grip pinky and the dot drops right into the window as the firearm levels out. Thank you!
Nice video! I've been working on some of Ben Stoeger's drills, and it is nice to have a video to compare the text to. Funny, I was watching your ear relative to the flag to see how steady your head was (since mine likes to move) and the last draw fucked it all up! Happy New Year and hope to get some training in with you soon.
I watched the full video that you held with/for instructor(James Yeager) i liked and enjoyed it. Very new to the gun culture. Thank you for showing us the prover way.
I purchased my first firearm with a RDS. It’s on backorder, but should be here in the next month or so. I’ve never used a RDS, so I’m a little worried about this situation, but I know it’ll just be a training hurdle that will take some time, but will be much better in the end. Thanks for making this video.
Excellent info brother! Thanks again 👊🏻
Excellent instruction, thank you.
This was great. I did great from low/high ready. No issues. From the draw, my dot was consistently left. It showed my something about my grip. I wasn't getting my grip fingers all the way around the the grip. Very illuminating. Practice is key!! Well. done. (I should get one of those handguns with the "grip zone". That would cure all!)
Great comment. I’ll have to try this as well.
You really caught me off guard with that squat thing you did all of a sudden. Haha.. Surprised me!
Thank you for sharing knowledge!
Watched one video of yours after buying a new pistol optic and shooting the first time with lousy results. Better on second range trip thanks to your vids.
Awesomely helpful. Thanks!
Good practice methods. Thanks!
Great vid - thanks!
... and Haley would be proud of the science lesson! :)
The dot master, thank you sir for this knowledge bomb!
Really good information and it will help me greatly with steel challenges
Sweet!!! And yes, I will take a class ASAP!!
I appreciate the knowledge! 🇺🇸
Excellent video. Thank you.
I only have red dot on my long guns. Now I want red dots on my pistols. I love how the Scott breaks it down.
Good Stuff!!!!
Awesome video.
Give in to the dot!
Brilliant!
fishing and bowling really helps for me.
awesome! thanks for the bread crumb.....c ya in march in florida for the whole loaf please ;)
This was helpful. Thanks.
Jedi going all Aaron with the big words n stuff
🤣🤣🤣
Awesome Video Just spent the weekend with David Liard and Adam Winch I'm new and excited. I carry a G45 Gen5 MOS
Excellent video well done
Scott, where can we get that hoodie? Great video as usual!
Super super helpful 👌 👏 👍
Awesome video!
You had me at “ don’t do goofy shit “
Good job!
Good video, thanks.
Good stuff!
My first comment I said clip and not magazine, wasn’t thinking, but the weight of practicing without a magazine or an empty one is different than the feel of a full magazine.
Thanks !
I would like to see dynamic movement with red dot pistols. In an ideal situation (range, home, IG vids) you can use your choreographed draw such as this video. But in dynamic situations where you may have to reposition yourself quickly and draw, I personally find a big front dot (iron) easier.
ScottieS Cool. Watch the rest of my videos for movement.
@@ModernSamuraiProject what shot timer did you use in this video and is it still the go to
I've got odd hands, in that I have bigger than average hand/palms, but shorter thicker fingers. For me to see the dot on my G19 I have to hit the perfect grip, where as on my G17 I can see it even if my initial grip is a bit off. I have the issue with my G19 as the grip is a bit too short and the bottom of my hand/pinky hangs off the grip. I've found that my draw is faster and more consistent with my G17 as well.
Do you ever come to Canada, lots of sport shooters here and it be great to have you teach
Just got one, been trying it out. I learned when i look for the dot, I can never find it, or it takes a while to find it. When i look at the target, not worry about the dot and just point at the target, the dot is always there. Interesting
That draw was little fumbled?!?! Looked damn good to me! I need to practice. Thanks for the great info!
Yeah you can see his pants jump a bit cause he grabbed the pistol wrong.
If you just happen to stumble across this
Listen practice and learn!
He’s really good.
If you've never stacked doing a building search that is why you carry the shelf, still fast and not aiming at the guy in front of you his/her back or head when moving down a hallway or entry into a room. I understand your not a cop or military nor never have been. The other way is good if by yourself and sweeping a room or hallway. Thanks for your teaching to all the new gun owners! Keep up the good work Brother 👊👍
Question, which one is better?
Shooter A: Draws to first shot in less than 1.5 seconds hits the C zone of a target.
Shooter B: Draw to first shot is 3.5 seconds with a bullseye on the A zone.
One of the best training advices my kenpo instructor gave me was do things 100 times. 99 times as slow as you can then 1 time fast. THATS how you train your body to get things exactly where they need to be every time.
Number of UFC champs with Kenpo background = 0
awesome! what shot timer were you using? thanks!
Scrolled down to find this comment... to no avail lol
What about coming up from the safety circle?
Yeah Buddy!
If the dot is on target when he presses the trigger, it's not because he lined it up on the target. He's only using it to confirm afterwards that be was on target, and is relying on his practice/muscle memory to be on target when he draws.
What shot timer are you using? P.S. I have you Feb CA course in my cart. I Will be signing up soon. Cheers
James Yeager sent me here.
is dominant eye awareness important or as in important when using a red dot. Or is it all about the presentation getting the dot to your target and learning to repeat that motion.
That's a pretty fast draw!
Beretta 92 and it's iron sights and a 1911 with it's cocked and locked hammer back to apply the saefty.
Is it okay to bring the gun to more left than center and slight tilt of head? Less than irons but I pick up the dot so much better with a slight tilt of my head. Cross eye dominant.
But don’t want to continue to practice if it’s wrong
Hello, I used a bore laser to zero my rmr type 2. Lined everything up but yet when I present my hand gun I can't see the dot! Can please tell what I'm doing wrong thank you.
try fishing for the dot or bowling for it. Look up travis haley red dot tips.
Shot a pistol with a red dot for the first time today. It was neat. My shitty eyes also think it was neat. All in all very neat.
That’s pretty neat
Would a dot with the circle around it (32 MOA) be better than a 3 MOA dot for quick acquisition or is this simply a training issue? Thanks
Need some pointers on finding the pearl in the bearded clam also .. 😂 since we on the topic of finding things !!!
I was always told by my instructors, "Practice does not make perfect -- practice makes !permanent!... "Perfect" practice (perfect repetition) makes "perfect". They also cited some study that found that !most! people need 2000 to 3000 repetitions to build muscle memory initially and at least 1000 repetitions weekly to maintain it (to whatever degree of perfection that person settled on). For activity requiring fine motor skill (aiming, trigger control), the muscle memory is perishable and begins degrading almost immediately. The good news is that once learned, it is easier to regain proficiency with less repetitive practice by simply returning to maintenance mode training. This info was current back in the mid 80's. No idea what the current state of affairs is nowadays.
That was awesome video. I wanna be a Jedi!
Do you maintain a website for basic red dot/presentation instructional courses? FWIW, I am in Albany, NY.
I got a question @modernsamuraiproject when I look through my pistol red dot , the dot is far right from the irons .. its annoying and I want the red dot in the center, is this user error or am I missing something ? its a holosun 507k x2 . and I use a 510c on my ar-15 and I don't have this problem the dot is always center in the glass.
Zero your dot and zero your irons separately. Them being lined up is a byproduct not a goal.
Beast mode on
Good video! Try doing this stuff in the mirror; worked for Jelly Bryce.
I got a flip up sight it's pretty sick and works well
broken legs on a handgun? 🤔
NC Star?
Me- *Sets one second par time*
Also me- *Doesn’t even clear the holster before the second beep.*
Draw higher if ur moving ur head to look for the dot .. try and go higher each pull ... Most of the time I noticed is because the draw comes up low
Nice
Knew I was sticking around to watch when I heard Timestretch
Dang it... You're making me want to get an RMR'd pistol again...
NICKydex01 let the goodness flow through you...
I just Subscribed to the Jedi 👍👍
MEGA!
"Snapping in"
hey man are you still doing jitz? i’m 57 and have been training for 3yrs and these old knees are about at the end of their warranty. you’re the only guy i’ve heard of who kept training after TNR. how’s your knee holding up? are you still training?
thanks, Mark
SrySraDosperros I am indeed. Although only 2 to 3 times a month because of my teaching/traveling schedule.
Great video! What kind of holster is that, and is that a Glock 34?!?! I’m so surprised to find someone carrying the same setup I’ve been carrying. G34, Type 2 RMR, and a tlr1-hl is that the same as you?
I found that any variance to how I draw the pistol from the holster changes the angle the pistol is aiming at.
Doing very good at the moment.
Another way is to just project the dot.
Do not aim at anything, just draw and present the dot.
After you got that covered, you can start aiming it.
I agree with all these points. And thank you for NOT saying muscle memory. I hate those words. I was looking back at Some of my older RUclips videos and I heard myself say those very words. I was like I should build a time machine and go back and kick my own ass. Good stuff. And by the way. I LOVE BASSNECTAR
We all did man. Yeah that song is a collab between Bassnectar and Eddie Bravo's band Smoke Serpent.
🤣🤣
Good video. The exit music is wretched.
What shot timer is that?
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Anybody know the shot timer app Scott is using here ?
Make Ready! For IPhone.
Ok audience…please take it easy on me for asking simpleton Q’s.
What kind of chronograph are you using?
What determines the end time?
I’m assuming something senses you made it on target???
What software are you using
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Never be in a rush it’ll get you killed
Dumb
I just recently made the switch to a red dot. I find using the front sight can help index the dot.
Show Off Your Every Day Carry So you at trying to go from a 3 focal plane solution to a 1 focal plane but are using a 4 focal plane?
Well, when you put it that way... Actually, it's a 2 focal plane approach. As I'm extending the pistol, I can't see the red dot at all, but I can see the front sight through the red dot glass. I use that as index to line up the pistol. As I do that, the red dot comes into view. It is definitely a 'training wheels' approach as I'm getting used to the red dot. I got the idea from Gabe Suarez, when I first heard about using red dots on pistols. (That was a long time ago, but it's taken me a long time to get one.)
makes sense. Thanks!