This game is more entertaining than any other smash. Do not be afraid to say it. The only reason you think or see melee as good is because its loyal fanbase overhype the fuck out of it, attracting noobs and keeping the sheeps in check.
I've gotta say Leffen is one of the most exciting players to watch. Some of the plays he makes are just insane. Hopefully he sticks with it, I think his ceiling is incredibly high in this game
@@whong09 actually on second thoughts I might have spoken too soon. But yeah so far it seems like he intends to main inkling with wolf as a secondary. He's going kinda tryhard with inkling on stream right now and has nothing but good things to say about her/him. But again, this is like day 1 post tourney, so he has yet to properly try some other characters that has been recommended to him (e.g. roy, pikachu?)
@@dittom3426 They are. And they're not bad games. But they're wildly over-exposed compared to the rest of the series. Some of us prefer other entries in the series. Not because they're older, but because we love the characters. It's like if every single Pokémon thing for the last five years was about Kalos and Alola, except different versions of Kalos and Alola that had none of the other Pokémon from the other regions. A lot of Pokémon fans would be sick of Kalos and Alola. It's the same with Fire Emblem. It's reasonable to be tired seeing the same characters over and over.
OrangeKyle91 That’s more understandable. As a Pokemon, we have the opposite problem, where everything is catered to the original games and the newer ones get crap.
@@dittom3426 Yeah, now that I think of it, that's a more accurate comparison. Awakening and Fates are the Pokémon Gen 1 of Fire Emblem in terms of over-exposure.
It's pathetic how people are getting salty about Ike's Nair when MkLeo is one of the very few who's dominating with the character. Try actually spamming nair all the time like you claim and see how far you go.
Ike's nair is a great spacing tool with nonexistent lag and huge hitbox, great combo tool that racks up quick damage, sets up to kill confirms like up air and bair. It does everything
@@pesky2119 It's also unsafe on block w/out spacing, very whiff punishable, and slow to come out (thus losing most air-to-air interactions against fast aerials). Spacing aerials is pretty much all Ike can do in neutral, and there's clear and consistent counterplay. To say that it's an oppressive option, comparable to Smash 4 Sheik fair, or Brawl MK Tornado, would be absurd. MKLeo wins because he's applying his fundamentals - which are the best in the game - to a character that relies and thrives on fundamentals. At the top level of play, landing a nair as Ike requires you to outplay at some level.
@@pesky2119 N-air is also highly parryable. There is no doubt about when it's coming to get you because it starts so high. The fairly probable mindset of "he's gonna nair cuz that's the best" also makes it very susceptible to predictions that are good against it. Ike also had a HIGHLY gimpable recovery (notice I say gimpable, not short. There's a difference), making his options go get back on stage questionable against good players (see everytime Leffen dairs Ike as example 1). Ike looks really good and simple with MKLeo cuz he's really fucking good and makes everything looks smooth. Kinda like Tweek with Wario. Stop overreacting. Stop oversimplifying. Ur acting like the type of people that hate Fox in melee. Just get better, it is possible.
The reason people are salty is because the Ike player just naired and grabbed. Leffen was actually zoning, making reads, edgeguarding, etc. And no the "durrr why don't you just play Ike" isn't an excuse. It doesn't magically change his nair from having no lag, it's just an appeal to accomplishment fallacy. Basically Leffen had to work 3 times harder than MKLeo for the same results. Nair just did basically all the work for him, it was low IQ with little effort vs big IQ and lots of effort.
10:21 I got an ad right when MKLeo threw his up-air but right before I could tell if it connected or if he gave Leffen enough time to escape with down-b and they put me through so much suspense my heart was about to explode 😭
Shite. Was hype for the first few games, but Leffen lost it or Leo downloaded. Regardless, I HOPE Leffen continues to play Ultimate. He showed what he could do, and I hope he continues to do just that.
Y'all saying ike is lame and braindead, go ahead and take him to quickplay, start spamming nairs, see how far that gets you. Drop GSP faster than Zimbabwe's economy
Yeah I don't play Ike but every time someone spams nairs with Ike I get the punish, so to see leffen unable to punish it at all makes me think with proper spacing it's actually really good. Definitely not brain dead otherwise he'd be getting punished for it.
A Name Yeah to a lot of people it just looks like pros are spamming it, when really they just use it more than other moves since it is a good combo starter. They use it a lot, but not so much that it’s too predictable and punishable.
I seeing 4 Ikes online today in quickplay spamming the same short hop Nair it is soo braindead for a character that have the safest move with less landing lag.
Hey, to anyone complaining about Ike, don’t mistake “broken” for viable. I was an Ike main since Brawl and through smash 4. He’s my secondary now since Inkling made it in(my #2 most wanted character for Smash). When I mained Ike, I was well aware he was mid-low tier at best in previous games, but still had potential. He’s actually a good character now which makes me happy since my favorite FE lord. Even being good, he still has flaws: linear/exploitable recovery(even though it’s a solid recovery, it is predictable), weight(a lot of characters can combo him will since he doesn’t have a good escape move and weighs a lot), and lack of ability to handle projectiles well(seriously, how much did Leffen used razor leaf?). Ike is really good in this game, but he deserves to be. He was considered low/mid tier in the past, and dedicated Ike players can now have a taste of what it’s like to be viable. Even though I’d win locals with Ike in smash 4, it wasn’t brain dead. May I even add, it still isn’t brain dead.
Thank you! Everyone complaining about him being "broken" and stuff, like... then why isn't he dominating the scene? Why isn't he Brawl Meta Knighting it? Good Ike players are just good. It's that simple. They know how to play the fundamentals well. They read well. They have great instincts. Ike is easily exploitable, but their skills are honed. Get over it. Anyone saying he's "broken" or "braindead" is literally just making excuses, and they know it- and that's exactly why they're getting so salty from their own tears too much to realise they just need to get better at the game. Only scrubs and frustrated middle of the road players complain about this kind of stuff in the first place. Skilled players just deal with it and improve. If they get beaten, they take the beating and learn from it. They don't whine. I believe the phrase is... get good?
Sebastien Lessore at the time, I wanted Azura from FE: Fates, since she was one of the few Fire Emblem characters with unique moveset potential. She’s a mythical songstress who wields a lance, and she has a lot of similar qualities to that of a water bender. I think she was a better pick than Corrin imo. At this point though, I’m kinda done with FE characters for this game. Now I kinda just want more games represented in smash.
This video showed up in recommendations and i remember how everyone used to say Ike’s nair was broken, he was carried, etc etc yet nobody could achieve the same results, Leo’s gameplay combined with his game knowledge/understanding makes him who he is!
That's the thing about MKLeo, and the main reason of he being my favorite player, he learns so damn fast, you can see this in almost every match up, the first couple of rounds he does okayish, and the he obliterates his opponents, he's a real prodigy, he learns patterns so fast and applies corrections on the go.
Reminds me of Zero's Diddy in sm4sh, except Zero would slow down as he learned and win off conditioning whereas Leo goes from 0-100 and obliterates his opponents.
@@wallapee if he only spammed aereals he wouldn't be the number one player in the world hahahaha, why don't you just "spam aerials" like him and become the number one player in the world? You said it yourself is very easy, any person could do it.
@@HalXV Aerials*, why can nobody spell? And no thanks, I have a real job and I don't like this game enough to play it for more than an hour at a time. It's slow and incredibly repetitive. Sakurai would never make a smash game that can be played at a truly high competitive level on purpose, hence why melee is the only smash game that is fun to watch. He isn't the best player in the world either, game hasn't been out for long and lots of people haven't dedicated themselves to playing it. Leo has no other choice.
People just to like to claim Ike does nothing but Nair while every other character has an attack that they spam in neutral. Leffen just spams razor leaf in neutral, gets punished for it and leo is the spammer.
You’re joking, right? Ike’s neutral air covers his entire body and over prioritizes any move, and leads directly into kill moves. Everyone loves defending these overpowered Fire Emblem characters with their disjointed hit boxes and ridiculous priority.
He switched to ivy cause squirtle doesnt have good kill options and charizard is very unsafe. Ivy has many good kill options and zoning plus nair is preety good. But ike nair lmao
@@xStealthPigeon Most of the times he got a kill was when he got leo off stage with squirtle and then switched to ivy to finish the edgeguard. But most of the times he switched to ivy in neutral he just got blown up.
@@xStealthPigeon Leff is used to swapping to ivy past 40% and then charizard above 100%, but in this case his ivy was getting out-zoned/comboed by Ike and he had a lot better success with Squirtle getting the % up because he's faster, smaller hitbox, and lighter making it harder to combo.
The Ike player is also playing well. He short hopped over low tilt attacks, behind Ivysaurs whips, he blocked stuff well, recovered nicely, etc. It was a fun game to watch.
I give respect to leo... he is the only guy who doesn't spam nair. He uses his bairs and dairs very effectively. Everyone says that ike is his nair, but mkleo shows that ike is more than just nair all the time. Please quit blaming leo's win on "ikes nair" because leo didn't win just because ike is a good character. Leo won due to his smarts and skill. Leffen is a very good player and there is no way you could win by just simply spamming nair. Spamming nair isn't as good as you think it is lol.
As an Ike main (and nowhere near as good as these guys obviously), I tend to rarely use nair just because of the notion that it's become godlike. People like to account for it when they play you and it can lose its usefulness. You need to adapt, and Leo does that well.
Because -people won't get the same results with Ike when compared to their current main and say that they don't need to use braindead and/or broken characters and/or moves as an excuse despite being terrible with their current main- some people actually have skill and don't need to use braindead and broken characters.
"why not play meta knight" "Why not bayo " "Why not ike" The money comes from this game being fun to watch The meta centralizing around one character kills the game Then the money stops because the game is dead
Dayum, that was like an anime fight choreography. Leo really picked up on that last match too. You could see his reaction times grow over the set especially that last match, he was getting that adrenaline rush for sure.
Leffen took out Seagull Joe and Wadi and then put up a close fight against #2 seed and arguably the best player in the game.. once again, proving the horrible seeding wrong. Pls no more garbage seeding give him the bracket he deserves from now on.
@@Yokai_Yuri do you understand how seeding works?.. top level players shouldn't play each other at such an early round. Did you watch MkLeos other games? Leffen was easily his toughest opponent on his way to top 8.
The fact that some people in the comments actually think that Ultimate Ike is anywhere close to being on par with Brawl Meta Knight due to one lousy move is just sad...
Besides, it’s about the amount of active frames, (or invincibility frames in some cases), the move has, and if it can immediately combo into other shit. His Nair is wackdaddy
Ike isn't braindead and MKleo is just a genuinely amazing player. That nair is super busted though. I mean it's a spacing tool, combo tool and kill setup tool all in one move
really though. I get why people are salty at sword characters as they are in ultimate, but it's so weird why they'd use that argument when talking about Ike. Arguably the easiest swordie to counterplay even with a good nair.
mkleo is not amazing. he uses cheesy ass characters and abuses them. if he was so amazing, he'd use fuckin wii fit trainer or somebody actually challenging to do well with. and all these people saying "ike so easy to counter" yeah, playing at your 500k rank on a laggy ass internet connection. it's nothing like playing live.
@@frostyamay because I don't care to add some dumbass picture like a shark to my profile that is some denouncement on me? What a fucking stupid thing to say. Nice failed attempt at making a gaming channel, loser.
@Advance Tubberson l8 but wouldn't that just make Leffen a trash player? It's a fact that Ike's nair is easily whiff punishable, any good player should be able to read the matchup and force the Ike to shift strategies or lose. (Or maybe Leffen is an amazing player and MKLeo is just insane with any character he dedicates his time to, and this is bad logic)
@@Daniel-uy1sv Probably because of the antics that surround Leffen. He's a good smash player, but his personality leaves a lot to be deserved. But you won't see that here.
interesting how melee players can't really reach top rankings of ultimate and vice versa. Very different games, I wanna say that melee requires fast reaction-time whereas ultimate requires really hard reads on your opponent
Leffen definitely could have been in Ultimate if he kept playing but, he just didn't really want to. And, I think Leo could be a top 10 player in melee if that's what he decided to put his mind to, he's just too fucking good. Taking time to practice and learn melee is all he would have to do, he's already got that top player brain which, is the harder thing to learn of the 2.
Man if Charizard gets a couple buffs to his neutral, Pokemon trainer is gunna be so amazing. And it's already such a fun character to watch. Imagine if the Charizard came out for more than just up smash! I want to see some sick combos like Leffens amazing edge guards with Squirtle/Ivy in this set!
Let me explain to the peanut gallery why Ike’s nair is good. It’s less to do with the nair and more to do with this games jump and shield mechanics. Ike’s nair is a great combo starter obviously, so it’s a move you’ll try to land often. It’s biggest weakness is the awkward angle of the sword swing that leaves you open without a front facing hitbox for a decent wind up. But once the hitbox is actually out it covers a ton of space all through the area below Ike, even behind him. So if you are caught below it not ready to shield you eat it. Now in a game like smash 4 where FH was a lot slower, this move would be easy to deal with. But you ant react to Ike full hopping fast enough to proactively beat the move out, because he reached the peak of the FH too fast and starts the move early. You also can’t easily get under him if the Ike isn’t stupid, running shield in this game is pretty damn bad. You can’t do it out of dash meaning you are vulnerable to a large hitbox like that while remaining mobile. And since it hit behind crossing him up on reaction won’t work either. Hard to set yourself up to get under his FH and shield so you can then parry close enough to punish in a meaningful way. And just guessing when he’ll leave the ground is a commitment you look like an idiot for going for frequently. That’s why leff was trying to spam side b as ivy, he’s trying to not contest nair at all by remaining outside the umbrella of his jump, much like falco does to dodge FH stuff in melee, lasering outside to get a set up. Leo just takes space casually not biting until leff is cornered in that case. Make no mistake Ike’s nair is busted. Fortunately so are like, a ton of other things in ultimate. Doubt he’s the best in the game or anything, but his nair is good. It’s amazing. You CAN build a neutral game out of fishing for it. So can y’all stop arguing that Ike’s nair isn’t that great to save Leo’s pride? We all know he’s amazing, he would win events without Ike, he’s probably better than leffen. But pointing out his nair is amazing isn’t controversial. It’s just the truth.
I ain't no Ike main, but I am so happy that MK Leo won just cause the commentators werw so annoyingly fangirling at Leffen instead of saying something good of Leo. I know he had to Nair a basically everytime, but without Ike's Nair he's nothing but garbage. Bunch of crybabies complaining bout everyting. They are both very good players with very good characters. I'm just a Wolf main though.
I don’t really understand why he kept switching to Ivysaur when he kept being absolutely demolished for those razor leafs. Squirtle was great for early damage and he seemed to be okay with finishing off with the Charizard.
this is a pretty bad video to go to then, look at m2k's 6-0 vs leffen. leffen said he was two levels above m2k in mid 2015 (when leffen was best in the world), then mew2king destroyed him
I feel like Ultimate is finally the game that will bridge the gap between hardcore competitive smash players and casual players. It's less competitive than melee but way more competitive than 4, and I think it really strikes a perfect middle ground for both kinds of players.
Damn I was rooting for Leffen to win, surprising for me to feel this way. I don't hate him, but I love see PT do well. He really needs to stay Squirtle in certain situations and then switch to Ivysaur instead of swtiching to Ivy anytime he needs to get the kill. Squirtle has good neutral options, mobility, good edge guarding tool in water gun and can set up tech chase situations that can lead to locks. We see him do it and he needs to rely on it more. He also needs to truly work on his Charizard more instead of just throwing out kill options, he should be great with all of them at the current moment. Leo was good at mixing things up while knowing his confirms.
I knew he would take a game at least but not the set gg to Leffen though like I said before If Leffen gave all his time to Ultimate he could easily be a top 10 player
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“The only thing I’ve seen Leffen do with Charizard is either up smash or die”
Gold
Leffen's Zard is actually ass
Captain Quickscope my man needs to train in the art of zard
Charizard isn’t that good anyways, squirtle and ivysaur are the ones making pokemon trainer a good character
Yeah that's the point. He takes out zard when he is about to die so that he can start off with squirtle and take advantage of the invcinbility frames
Andy mostly just ivysaur tbh
i come from the future to say it wasn't ike who was broken, it was leo all this time.
Ike was just fundamentally easy, this coming from an Ike main
Well, I thought that was obvious
@@literallyasneeze2135 I’m a Ike main as well and I can say he’s easy fundamentally
Yup
Foreal 🙏
This game is already ten times more entertaining to watch than smash 4
This game is more entertaining than any other smash. Do not be afraid to say it. The only reason you think or see melee as good is because its loyal fanbase overhype the fuck out of it, attracting noobs and keeping the sheeps in check.
Omega Storm nice b8 m8
@@Yokai_Yuri life as a zoomer
@@Yokai_Yuri mate nah spacies matches are so fast there is nothing like it
Omega Storm this man is so salty
8:57 that platform literally came outta nowhere just so leo could take that stock
Stage awareness 1000
@@sullivanish more like reaction
Leffen choked so hard, could have been a 3-0 with squirtle, a true goat should be dominant and consistent and playing well, not opponent choking
Or maybe by using a double jump, but who knows
I've gotta say Leffen is one of the most exciting players to watch. Some of the plays he makes are just insane. Hopefully he sticks with it, I think his ceiling is incredibly high in this game
Austin Wirtz and that's just his second tournament in ultimate
He's dropping pt for inkling I think :'(
@@alephbunchofnumbers is that true? As an inkling main that is *hype*
@@whong09 actually on second thoughts I might have spoken too soon. But yeah so far it seems like he intends to main inkling with wolf as a secondary. He's going kinda tryhard with inkling on stream right now and has nothing but good things to say about her/him.
But again, this is like day 1 post tourney, so he has yet to properly try some other characters that has been recommended to him (e.g. roy, pikachu?)
@@alephbunchofnumbers Prob Young Link. He did say that he's interested in him.
*salem sweating in the crowd*
Leffen lost cause he wasn't a smash player.
That's not sweat, that's the research spitting on the competition through his face.
@Lost in Space or give him a few months and he'll be beating salem's ass. Stay mad.
Ultimate is hardly for casuals. Otherwise Melee players would be destroying everyone, but all the gods of melee are ranked in the 50s and 60s.
@@lolcatjunior let that joke die kid. On a side note he got surprisingly far.
Chillindude just subbed to MKLeo.
Dude that's old beef, he and chillin r cool now. LeffvSalem's the hot topic rn lol
@Jericho Perez salem got salty at leff for calling snake sucko. Then he gets a PhD for being an a hole
@Jericho Perez Search up years of research.
@@skadi753
Pretty sure OP was joking
@@JoeDan54 ya ik, but im just saying the joke's kinda old but whatever.
5:40 was so good
"That was genius."
big leff turned into huge leff for a second
Ultra Instinct Leffen
8:27〜
That was the most hype moment I've seen in the whole tournament tbh
8:55 I appreciate the mention of the name of Ike's sword, Ragnell.
What’s this? A commentator being an actual FE fan and not just an awakening and fates dating simulator fan? Weird.
Biffyguy Biffy Awakening and Fates are still FE games. Keep being salty lol.
@@dittom3426 They are. And they're not bad games. But they're wildly over-exposed compared to the rest of the series. Some of us prefer other entries in the series. Not because they're older, but because we love the characters. It's like if every single Pokémon thing for the last five years was about Kalos and Alola, except different versions of Kalos and Alola that had none of the other Pokémon from the other regions. A lot of Pokémon fans would be sick of Kalos and Alola. It's the same with Fire Emblem. It's reasonable to be tired seeing the same characters over and over.
OrangeKyle91 That’s more understandable. As a Pokemon, we have the opposite problem, where everything is catered to the original games and the newer ones get crap.
@@dittom3426 Yeah, now that I think of it, that's a more accurate comparison. Awakening and Fates are the Pokémon Gen 1 of Fire Emblem in terms of over-exposure.
It's pathetic how people are getting salty about Ike's Nair when MkLeo is one of the very few who's dominating with the character. Try actually spamming nair all the time like you claim and see how far you go.
Ike's nair is a great spacing tool with nonexistent lag and huge hitbox, great combo tool that racks up quick damage, sets up to kill confirms like up air and bair.
It does everything
@@pesky2119 It's also unsafe on block w/out spacing, very whiff punishable, and slow to come out (thus losing most air-to-air interactions against fast aerials). Spacing aerials is pretty much all Ike can do in neutral, and there's clear and consistent counterplay. To say that it's an oppressive option, comparable to Smash 4 Sheik fair, or Brawl MK Tornado, would be absurd. MKLeo wins because he's applying his fundamentals - which are the best in the game - to a character that relies and thrives on fundamentals. At the top level of play, landing a nair as Ike requires you to outplay at some level.
@@pesky2119 N-air is also highly parryable. There is no doubt about when it's coming to get you because it starts so high. The fairly probable mindset of "he's gonna nair cuz that's the best" also makes it very susceptible to predictions that are good against it.
Ike also had a HIGHLY gimpable recovery (notice I say gimpable, not short. There's a difference), making his options go get back on stage questionable against good players (see everytime Leffen dairs Ike as example 1).
Ike looks really good and simple with MKLeo cuz he's really fucking good and makes everything looks smooth. Kinda like Tweek with Wario. Stop overreacting. Stop oversimplifying. Ur acting like the type of people that hate Fox in melee. Just get better, it is possible.
The reason people are salty is because the Ike player just naired and grabbed. Leffen was actually zoning, making reads, edgeguarding, etc. And no the "durrr why don't you just play Ike" isn't an excuse. It doesn't magically change his nair from having no lag, it's just an appeal to accomplishment fallacy. Basically Leffen had to work 3 times harder than MKLeo for the same results. Nair just did basically all the work for him, it was low IQ with little effort vs big IQ and lots of effort.
@@CrimeShutter fucking lol
10:21 I got an ad right when MKLeo threw his up-air but right before I could tell if it connected or if he gave Leffen enough time to escape with down-b and they put me through so much suspense my heart was about to explode 😭
I was so mad they did that
I got an ad too lol
Same here
To be continued
Ne aswell
Shite. Was hype for the first few games, but Leffen lost it or Leo downloaded.
Regardless, I HOPE Leffen continues to play Ultimate. He showed what he could do, and I hope he continues to do just that.
DeeCee 51 leffen is still in the tournament.....
@@G.dot_ he ded
He got sent to loser's, he can still win lol
Nope he's very out. He lost too Yeti's Megaman @@HatsuneInku
@@HatsuneInku he lost in losers aswell
Y'all saying ike is lame and braindead, go ahead and take him to quickplay, start spamming nairs, see how far that gets you. Drop GSP faster than Zimbabwe's economy
That flex on Zimbabwe's economy was not necessary
Yeah I don't play Ike but every time someone spams nairs with Ike I get the punish, so to see leffen unable to punish it at all makes me think with proper spacing it's actually really good. Definitely not brain dead otherwise he'd be getting punished for it.
That was unnecessary lol
A Name Yeah to a lot of people it just looks like pros are spamming it, when really they just use it more than other moves since it is a good combo starter. They use it a lot, but not so much that it’s too predictable and punishable.
I seeing 4 Ikes online today in quickplay spamming the same short hop Nair it is soo braindead for a character that have the safest move with less landing lag.
amazing plays from both players! Just interesting that Leo never got a chance to punish any of those Ivysaur's ledge regrabs in this match.
Amosdoll Music hi I love your channel
Well he punished it once
Never thought I’d see you here. Love your content dude.
I think he tried to but I also think Leffen was trying to bait him in with it.
@@jesusteran8110 ig so. Impressive that he was so good even back then, and with Ike.
Big Leff putting up a good fight against one of the top seeds.
Fuk leffen..
@@robbiesarkioglu5623 fuk you
Emm Bee Sea Sad thing is, that wasn’t even Leos trump card character. He’s hiding a terrifying main out there
@@HatsuneInku Fuk u 2. Leffen is a scumbag
@@robbiesarkioglu5623 Keep hating, maybe someday someone will listen to you
Hey, to anyone complaining about Ike, don’t mistake “broken” for viable. I was an Ike main since Brawl and through smash 4. He’s my secondary now since Inkling made it in(my #2 most wanted character for Smash). When I mained Ike, I was well aware he was mid-low tier at best in previous games, but still had potential. He’s actually a good character now which makes me happy since my favorite FE lord. Even being good, he still has flaws: linear/exploitable recovery(even though it’s a solid recovery, it is predictable), weight(a lot of characters can combo him will since he doesn’t have a good escape move and weighs a lot), and lack of ability to handle projectiles well(seriously, how much did Leffen used razor leaf?). Ike is really good in this game, but he deserves to be. He was considered low/mid tier in the past, and dedicated Ike players can now have a taste of what it’s like to be viable. Even though I’d win locals with Ike in smash 4, it wasn’t brain dead. May I even add, it still isn’t brain dead.
Thank you! Everyone complaining about him being "broken" and stuff, like... then why isn't he dominating the scene? Why isn't he Brawl Meta Knighting it?
Good Ike players are just good. It's that simple. They know how to play the fundamentals well. They read well. They have great instincts. Ike is easily exploitable, but their skills are honed. Get over it.
Anyone saying he's "broken" or "braindead" is literally just making excuses, and they know it- and that's exactly why they're getting so salty from their own tears too much to realise they just need to get better at the game.
Only scrubs and frustrated middle of the road players complain about this kind of stuff in the first place. Skilled players just deal with it and improve. If they get beaten, they take the beating and learn from it. They don't whine.
I believe the phrase is... get good?
Who did you first want to be put in the game, before Inkling?
Sebastien Lessore at the time, I wanted Azura from FE: Fates, since she was one of the few Fire Emblem characters with unique moveset potential. She’s a mythical songstress who wields a lance, and she has a lot of similar qualities to that of a water bender. I think she was a better pick than Corrin imo. At this point though, I’m kinda done with FE characters for this game. Now I kinda just want more games represented in smash.
This video showed up in recommendations and i remember how everyone used to say Ike’s nair was broken, he was carried, etc etc yet nobody could achieve the same results, Leo’s gameplay combined with his game knowledge/understanding makes him who he is!
People can say what they want about Leo, but that combo off of dair at 8:59 was clean
MkLeo feels like a final boss
Rasta BananaMan that’s zero
Lowell Bevan Nah not anymore. ZeRo does not play this game as competitively as he did Smash 4
Angel Mendez-Rivera true but if you’ve seen zero vs Mkleo in ultimate zero won
@@angelmendez-rivera351 ZeRo's the hidden boss you get to after you 100% complete the rest of the game
Zero retired cause he knew he was going to be dethroned
That's the thing about MKLeo, and the main reason of he being my favorite player, he learns so damn fast, you can see this in almost every match up, the first couple of rounds he does okayish, and the he obliterates his opponents, he's a real prodigy, he learns patterns so fast and applies corrections on the go.
Reminds me of Zero's Diddy in sm4sh, except Zero would slow down as he learned and win off conditioning whereas Leo goes from 0-100 and obliterates his opponents.
yeah he learns how to spam aerials really well. such a hard thing to do. 300 IQ play right there
@@wallapee if he only spammed aereals he wouldn't be the number one player in the world hahahaha, why don't you just "spam aerials" like him and become the number one player in the world? You said it yourself is very easy, any person could do it.
@@HalXV Aerials*, why can nobody spell? And no thanks, I have a real job and I don't like this game enough to play it for more than an hour at a time. It's slow and incredibly repetitive. Sakurai would never make a smash game that can be played at a truly high competitive level on purpose, hence why melee is the only smash game that is fun to watch. He isn't the best player in the world either, game hasn't been out for long and lots of people haven't dedicated themselves to playing it. Leo has no other choice.
@@wallapee sure
I don't get why people are complaining about ike's neutral air hitbox when ivysaur has a giant down air and up air. They're both good characters
People just to like to claim Ike does nothing but Nair while every other character has an attack that they spam in neutral. Leffen just spams razor leaf in neutral, gets punished for it and leo is the spammer.
His range is way too big and he has huge hit boxes for his speed. Ivysaur is slow AF
You’re joking, right? Ike’s neutral air covers his entire body and over prioritizes any move, and leads directly into kill moves. Everyone loves defending these overpowered Fire Emblem characters with their disjointed hit boxes and ridiculous priority.
Ike's nair is pretty dumb dude
It's too make up for his lack of speed overall
Ivy's d-air and u-air are NOT comparable to Ike's n-air at all LOL. I say this as an Ike main. It's a pretty dumb move.
This tourney will always be memorable for me as the first big ultimate major and being the first tourney i got into as a smash fan
Still a fan all these years later?
@@remochovsky1056 yep and always will be
6:30 my man in the back doing the dab
My man in the back doing the dab and shit
"doing the dab" oh nonnoonnnon ohhh nooooo
Cringe
MC Lion was Ike - and well, Leafy was Pokémon trainer.
@@Blue-jn1ph confirmed wavy
Who would win?
A very unique and diverse character that takes a lot of skill and practice.
Or
One nairing boi
Nairing boi ;)
@@fallenchao Correct!
Leffen gave MK a hell of a run that's for sure, closer than anyone before him.
Leffen needs to learn how to use charizard better
@@dez0002 leffen will get better with time 👍
The entire stream chat during this was spamming “YO DID HE JUST SLOWLY WALK UP AND NAIR”
How beautiful that the 7th best penguin could make it this far
7th best penguin turned into one of the best penguins lol.
He's a toadally awesome penguin
Man Leffen used to be good enough to touch Leo.
Now he whines about bowser for 2 hours.
Leffen with the "GALAXY BRAIN"
Yes, covering your recovery with projectiles is galaxy brain now. The future is now, old man.
Got him a little hyped up
These commentators were pretty much climbing over each other to ride leffen. The amount of bias in this match is unreal.
looking back on it. there really was nothing special about leo's ike, rather he was just consistently doing the right thing in situations
Ike's nair is such a consistent kill confirm. Comobing into up air at such high percents is so powerful
Now imagine Leffen vs Salem in losers.
Call the cops ;)
salem aint in losers tho is he?
He was. Salem lost to Captain Zack
@@TheTdbj HA! Shoulda been practicing instead of researching melee
@@HatsuneInku he still placed higher than leffen
Damn leffen couldve had this if he didnt swap ivy so much, I think all the stocks he lost were ivy
Yea but I don't think he has much experience with skilled Ikes. And MkLeo is just MkLeo.
Problem is ivy is the best of the three and if you can’t get much going then it’ll slowly crumble. Once MkLeo downloaded ivy it was all over.
He switched to ivy cause squirtle doesnt have good kill options and charizard is very unsafe. Ivy has many good kill options and zoning plus nair is preety good. But ike nair lmao
@@xStealthPigeon Most of the times he got a kill was when he got leo off stage with squirtle and then switched to ivy to finish the edgeguard. But most of the times he switched to ivy in neutral he just got blown up.
@@xStealthPigeon Leff is used to swapping to ivy past 40% and then charizard above 100%, but in this case his ivy was getting out-zoned/comboed by Ike and he had a lot better success with Squirtle getting the % up because he's faster, smaller hitbox, and lighter making it harder to combo.
The viewers and the crowd came alive this set. It was pure hype
This comment section has more salt than the Dead Sea.
Indeed, it seems they've lost to a ton of Ike players.
The Ike player is also playing well. He short hopped over low tilt attacks, behind Ivysaurs whips, he blocked stuff well, recovered nicely, etc.
It was a fun game to watch.
"The ike player" I can tell you're either a melee player or new
“The Ike player” Dude its Mkleo...
I give respect to leo... he is the only guy who doesn't spam nair. He uses his bairs and dairs very effectively. Everyone says that ike is his nair, but mkleo shows that ike is more than just nair all the time. Please quit blaming leo's win on "ikes nair" because leo didn't win just because ike is a good character. Leo won due to his smarts and skill. Leffen is a very good player and there is no way you could win by just simply spamming nair. Spamming nair isn't as good as you think it is lol.
As an Ike main (and nowhere near as good as these guys obviously), I tend to rarely use nair just because of the notion that it's become godlike. People like to account for it when they play you and it can lose its usefulness. You need to adapt, and Leo does that well.
@@dasloco121 I'm just shit at the game and can't use nair in battle effectively
People complaining about Ike's nair are mostly poor players that don't understand how to punish it
if IKE's Nair is broken why aren't you in the tournament playing with him rn...
Because -people won't get the same results with Ike when compared to their current main and say that they don't need to use braindead and/or broken characters and/or moves as an excuse despite being terrible with their current main- some people actually have skill and don't need to use braindead and broken characters.
@@nimroddafny7125 so instead of getting thousands of dollars in tournament money you just say "I am too good to enter"?
Nice.
Either I don't understand this joke or you didn't understand my joke.
Nimrod Dafny the shots...
Have been fired.
"why not play meta knight"
"Why not bayo "
"Why not ike"
The money comes from this game being fun to watch
The meta centralizing around one character kills the game
Then the money stops because the game is dead
Dayum, that was like an anime fight choreography.
Leo really picked up on that last match too. You could see his reaction times grow over the set especially that last match, he was getting that adrenaline rush for sure.
I prefer the radiant dawn version but path of radiance is cool too
I absolutely love Ike's moves in Ultimate.
Leffen took out Seagull Joe and Wadi and then put up a close fight against #2 seed and arguably the best player in the game.. once again, proving the horrible seeding wrong. Pls no more garbage seeding give him the bracket he deserves from now on.
You mean the easy bracket? So he can make it to finals avoiding all threats and people claim he is good? Lol the desperation is strong within you.
@@Yokai_Yuri do you understand how seeding works?.. top level players shouldn't play each other at such an early round. Did you watch MkLeos other games? Leffen was easily his toughest opponent on his way to top 8.
Wadi plays predictable so...
@@John.Banana. then you beat him
@@Eptic0227 thing is, Leffen isn't a top player in this game..
The fact that some people in the comments actually think that Ultimate Ike is anywhere close to being on par with Brawl Meta Knight due to one lousy move is just sad...
8:01 did i just get gnomed?
I'm so proud of both dudes, that had me on the edge of my seat!
Gonna be real Max has really upped his commentary over the years. Mad respect man.
MKLeo's Ike over here lookin like Ken's Marth in the old days
This was the greatest thing to watch. This smash game really is for sure what the community needs. #oneunit
It's a good day to be an Ike main
Ryo will be proud
Its a good day to be a braindead ike main.
@@jacoryarnett7347 name one character that doesn't spam an attack in neutral.
Don't worry, I'll wait.
Tyler Tanner Little Mac
Besides, it’s about the amount of active frames, (or invincibility frames in some cases), the move has, and if it can immediately combo into other shit. His Nair is wackdaddy
Ike isn't braindead and MKleo is just a genuinely amazing player.
That nair is super busted though. I mean it's a spacing tool, combo tool and kill setup tool all in one move
really though. I get why people are salty at sword characters as they are in ultimate, but it's so weird why they'd use that argument when talking about Ike. Arguably the easiest swordie to counterplay even with a good nair.
mkleo is not amazing. he uses cheesy ass characters and abuses them. if he was so amazing, he'd use fuckin wii fit trainer or somebody actually challenging to do well with. and all these people saying "ike so easy to counter" yeah, playing at your 500k rank on a laggy ass internet connection. it's nothing like playing live.
@@wallapee From how I look at it, both of you are wrong.
@@frostyamay because I don't care to add some dumbass picture like a shark to my profile that is some denouncement on me? What a fucking stupid thing to say. Nice failed attempt at making a gaming channel, loser.
@@frostyamay Hypocrite much?
Didn't even know leffen played ultimate at all lol that's crazy
All the pro melee players did when it first dropped. M2K leffen armada mango leffen etc
And people always said Ike was a bad and predictable character! :D
@Advance Tubberson l8 but wouldn't that just make Leffen a trash player? It's a fact that Ike's nair is easily whiff punishable, any good player should be able to read the matchup and force the Ike to shift strategies or lose. (Or maybe Leffen is an amazing player and MKLeo is just insane with any character he dedicates his time to, and this is bad logic)
I seriously think that MKLeo is closest to being the best Smash Ultimate player.
Good call, turns out you were right
You can feel this match same like watching Light vs Nike or Samsora vs Nike
Seeing Leffen lose does bring a smile to my face.
why?
@@Daniel-uy1sv Probably because of the antics that surround Leffen.
He's a good smash player, but his personality leaves a lot to be deserved. But you won't see that here.
I grew up with smash 4 so when this ike pro main is "fighting for smash 4 honor" i want to thank him
interesting how melee players can't really reach top rankings of ultimate and vice versa. Very different games, I wanna say that melee requires fast reaction-time whereas ultimate requires really hard reads on your opponent
Leffen definitely could have been in Ultimate if he kept playing but, he just didn't really want to. And, I think Leo could be a top 10 player in melee if that's what he decided to put his mind to, he's just too fucking good. Taking time to practice and learn melee is all he would have to do, he's already got that top player brain which, is the harder thing to learn of the 2.
bruh I still watch this set to this day
OGs remember MKleo’s IKE. Who watches this in 2023 ?
Me because I miss leffen playing ultimate
@@neverknowsbest. Leffen never dissapoints
Man if Charizard gets a couple buffs to his neutral, Pokemon trainer is gunna be so amazing. And it's already such a fun character to watch. Imagine if the Charizard came out for more than just up smash! I want to see some sick combos like Leffens amazing edge guards with Squirtle/Ivy in this set!
Leffen got naired
Aether
Only because of MKLeo’s near flawless spacing.
This is the most entertaining match I’ve watched in Ultimate so far.
Anyone remember when Ike was 'top three'?
Whoever the best player in the world plays is the best character in the game apparently
Thank you Ultimate for bringing smash 4 players to respect melee players and melee players to respect smash 4 players
for the most part
Nice match. both good characters. leffen good. Mkleo good too. Me, Ike main
nice country flag
ME IKE MAIN. ME SMASH.
That's how I imagine Ike mains :D
@@krmunoz2169 ME NAIR*
Kristofher Muñoz Rojas I wish you were wrong lol
@@krmunoz2169 Me Ike player. Me approve.
Biggest takeaway to learn from Leo is to use Ike’s upB as little as possible to get back
Let me explain to the peanut gallery why Ike’s nair is good. It’s less to do with the nair and more to do with this games jump and shield mechanics.
Ike’s nair is a great combo starter obviously, so it’s a move you’ll try to land often. It’s biggest weakness is the awkward angle of the sword swing that leaves you open without a front facing hitbox for a decent wind up. But once the hitbox is actually out it covers a ton of space all through the area below Ike, even behind him. So if you are caught below it not ready to shield you eat it. Now in a game like smash 4 where FH was a lot slower, this move would be easy to deal with. But you ant react to Ike full hopping fast enough to proactively beat the move out, because he reached the peak of the FH too fast and starts the move early. You also can’t easily get under him if the Ike isn’t stupid, running shield in this game is pretty damn bad. You can’t do it out of dash meaning you are vulnerable to a large hitbox like that while remaining mobile. And since it hit behind crossing him up on reaction won’t work either. Hard to set yourself up to get under his FH and shield so you can then parry close enough to punish in a meaningful way. And just guessing when he’ll leave the ground is a commitment you look like an idiot for going for frequently. That’s why leff was trying to spam side b as ivy, he’s trying to not contest nair at all by remaining outside the umbrella of his jump, much like falco does to dodge FH stuff in melee, lasering outside to get a set up. Leo just takes space casually not biting until leff is cornered in that case.
Make no mistake Ike’s nair is busted. Fortunately so are like, a ton of other things in ultimate. Doubt he’s the best in the game or anything, but his nair is good. It’s amazing. You CAN build a neutral game out of fishing for it. So can y’all stop arguing that Ike’s nair isn’t that great to save Leo’s pride? We all know he’s amazing, he would win events without Ike, he’s probably better than leffen. But pointing out his nair is amazing isn’t controversial. It’s just the truth.
Big Audos gawd I wish I could up vote this more and pin it, it's so the truth
やっぱ上手い人はほんとに上手いんだなって思いました………すごく見応えのあるバトルですね👍👍👍
I ain't no Ike main, but I am so happy that MK Leo won just cause the commentators werw so annoyingly fangirling at Leffen instead of saying something good of Leo. I know he had to Nair a basically everytime, but without Ike's Nair he's nothing but garbage. Bunch of crybabies complaining bout everyting. They are both very good players with very good characters.
I'm just a Wolf main though.
because MKLeo was boring to watch
I don’t really understand why he kept switching to Ivysaur when he kept being absolutely demolished for those razor leafs. Squirtle was great for early damage and he seemed to be okay with finishing off with the Charizard.
I come back to this match whenever I watch a video of Leffen being cocky and want to see him get destroyed
this is a pretty bad video to go to then, look at m2k's 6-0 vs leffen. leffen said he was two levels above m2k in mid 2015 (when leffen was best in the world), then mew2king destroyed him
Even though leffen got knocked out, I’m so proud of him and his run... my god he’s talented.
You'd think he'd learn to not summon Ivysaur. Everytime he used it he kept loosing.
8:35 was the biggest brain play ever. Leffen's applications of Squirtles water gun are amazing.
Leffens Squirtle is absolutely insane
this was so hype live
I see nobody talking about leo's parry or his amazing work on recovery or punish ivysaur
looking at this moment section... is leffen really the favorite? I like them both but as an Ike main since brawl, I'll always be rooting for mkleo
This Ike salt is delicious. Let's go MKLEO
Danny Freeman why does Leo only play sword characters
@@CaptainKnee You just mad cause Fatality got fucking destroyed.
@@jacewhite9096 because he likes to play sword characters?
Something that i love of ssbu is that literally everyone is here including the best players from past games due to the Aumented complexity and speed
Back when we thought Ike was top tier
I feel like Ultimate is finally the game that will bridge the gap between hardcore competitive smash players and casual players. It's less competitive than melee but way more competitive than 4, and I think it really strikes a perfect middle ground for both kinds of players.
Leo needs to improve that eruption kill asap!
Leo had amazing movement around the razor leaf
wow there was a LOT of people there
3:24 Grass block in the background
5:08 “Looks like Ivesaur is the weaker of the three!”
Everyone now:🤦♂️🤦🤦♀️
@@AdamMarino101 squirtle is broken
Damn I was rooting for Leffen to win, surprising for me to feel this way. I don't hate him, but I love see PT do well.
He really needs to stay Squirtle in certain situations and then switch to Ivysaur instead of swtiching to Ivy anytime he needs to get the kill. Squirtle has good neutral options, mobility, good edge guarding tool in water gun and can set up tech chase situations that can lead to locks. We see him do it and he needs to rely on it more.
He also needs to truly work on his Charizard more instead of just throwing out kill options, he should be great with all of them at the current moment.
Leo was good at mixing things up while knowing his confirms.
As you can see clearly it is mkleo's character that carried his totally not like he is just the best player in the world
Yeetus Thatfeetus bruh
Ohhhhh I get the joke now
Hope leffen has an awesome run in losers. Sad to see him drop here. Ike’s nair to up air is stupidly good. Leo still played well.
He got eliminated by a MegaMan :(
He dead in losers lmao.
Godzilla rippp
Watching leffen play is so fucking exciting, please keep playing. So good
making ike mains proud thanks leo
uh burger what’s sad is we used to be humble lol
Amazing!
Some more practice on the PT secondaries and Leffen will be DANGEROUS for everyone. 🎈
Mkleo looks pretty good. He could probably be best in the world
I knew he would take a game at least but not the set gg to Leffen though like I said before If Leffen gave all his time to Ultimate he could easily be a top 10 player
12 hours a day seems pretty much like all of his time...
MKLeo seems like such an un-fun person to play with because how he uses his Aerials with Ike. Leffen on the other hand is a super exciting player
Why did he keep going ivysaur, surely a slow, float character is at a massive disadvantage against a sword character. And it showed.
Leo had to teach Leffen some respect. He's looking at the king in his face.
Damn two years already oh how Ike was good
If only Leffen would just get over the Charizard hurdle, his trainer could go places
I'm so proud of Leffen, holy shit these matches were intense
Seeing an Ike player makes me happy