100% Mike Doughty's fault, even though he blamed and to some point, still blames everyone and everything but himself. Agreed though- most unique band of the decade, easily. Beastie Boys were on the decline when this band was on their way up kinda able to fill the vacuum BB's were leaving creatively speaking. Sorry BB fans(and I am definitely a fan, so it pains me to say such), but it was pretty much mostly repetition after Ill Communication. MD even said on multiple occasions that they had "the muscle" to take on the BB's at their own game(i'm paraphrasing here). I don't know about that, but SC were pretty gaddamn good. One of my favorites of all time. Shame MD was such a fucking heel and blew it for them.
@@joesutherland2017 yeah its incredibly fucking sad that they all got along and liked each other except the feelings weren't reciprocated by mike who would just constantly fucking bad mouth them and release a book that essentially was "fuck everyone except me"
@@InfiniteRhombus Yup. In the book he would refer to his bandmates as "the drummer", "the bass player", and "the sampler player". I don't know if it was on an attorney's advice to possibly avoid slander charges to do this, or he was just such a passive aggressive son of a bitch that he wouldn't actually refer to each of them by name. Getting clean and sober usually brings a person back to ground zero, and they re-discover humility and ask for forgiveness from people they may have wronged in the past. Over the years in my business, I've had several employees that sobered/cleaned up and have gotten to see this firsthand. Some of them make it, some of them don't. It appears MD just ran the opposite way when he got clean, turning into more of a monster than before, and it looks like he attacked everyone around him for years and years.......talk about Mr. Bitterness lol. Interesting little things here, just observations and opinion. Around 2002-2005, MD was interviewed by multiple music rags(those articles are hard to come by these days, but I read them, looking for a glimmer of hope that they would get back together and make mind and genre-bending incredible music again, but no dice). He said things like he would rather gauge his eyes out than re-unite with SC. MD shit on everything SC for a looooong time- you can find headlines from as recently as 2012 saying"Mike Doughty's skin crawls when he hears SC", and several other similar statements like that, plus in a YT clip he actually shits all over someone at a MD "request" show or some such shit when they ask for a SC song IIRC. He hated SC........until he agreed to take peoples' money to re-record an album's worth of SC material "The Doughty Way"(you know, on a cheap Casio keyboard in his fucking bedroom closet on a single rainy afternoon lol). I was only able to make through sampling each track off of Amazon for about 10 seconds per track when it came out. It is fucking excruciating to listen to. He murders those songs, and I think he did it on purpose to drive the figurative "knife" he was still holding against the band deeper. That's the only explanation I can think of for how shitty those re-workings of all those great songs are. Funny how from 2000-2012 he couldn't STAND SC, in 2012 releases a "fuck you" tell-all shitting all over the band and the music, in 2013 he accepts money from SC fans to re-record(and completely destroy) SC greats and calls it an album, in 2015 there he is, feeling out a reunion with the boys, who obviously dropped an anvil on that plan, in 2016 or so starts touring, doing SC numbers, and here he is in 2021 releasing "The Ghost of Vroom". Here's a little ditty from an article on that project- "The new project was initially meant to be a reunion of SC, who broke up in 2000, with the new name referencing a planned companion piece to their 1994 album, 'Ruby Vroom'. Doughty told Sterogum that he had begun writing music explicitly for the old band. "I called up SC and said, "Do you want to do this?" I got back a hot plate of crazy. I was like, "Well, thanks guys", he said. End of Article LOLOL what did this jackass expect? That after a dozen years of shitting on the band and a long book on how each of the rest of SC were individually the biggest asshole on Earth on any given day of the week that they would just jump up and say, "Sure Mike!! Let's do it!! You know, I've been sitting here, just waiting by the phone since early 2001 for you to call and ask me that question! Can't wait! See you soon, old buddy!!" Jesus, the fucking ego on this douche lol. He really has nothing to stand on for the last 20 years except his sobriety, because his half-ass coffeehouse rock schtick was never good(believe me, I listened and tried to like it). I think there's a good reason that most of his recorded music over the last 20 years sounds like him, an acoustic guitar and a roomful of laptops and it's because not many people can actually stand the guy lol. A little unsolicited advice for MD here. "You can't go home, Doughty, especially when it was you that burnt the fucking house down in the first place". And one more thing lol. If MD had somehow released those SC songs on "Circles" "solo & the way he intended them to be" no one would've ever heard of him, because that's truly some horrendous shit lol. There would be no SC, and we wouldn't be having this lovely chat. Just my opinion- apparently everybody's got one and they all supposedly smell of ass.
He says Sebastian upholds the room, yet in the book I hear the exact opposite. Then again when I hear Yuval and Mike essentially summarize the sound, I can’t help but smile.
I was reading parts of mike's newest book, and there's a short story where he actually mentions Sebastian by name and praises his playing ability, which was really sweet. So glad they seem to at least be on friendly terms and was so fucking blown away when they performed together a couple of years ago.
@@zachbudig8243 Soul Coughing's always been one of my favorite bands. Just recently started looking up old live performances & interviews. They had such a different kind of sound. Mike has this early Denis Leary vibe to him. Did you ever catch them live?
I could be way off base, but looks/sounds like Doughty was hoping to be a rock star and the bandmates had other priorities. Not that either priority is bad, but fighting will inevitably arise from that. I'm glad enough time has passed for Doughty to soften his stance on the history of it all. Shame it went down, glad that despite what was happening, we got some neat tunes from their time together.
this makes me happy..and sad that such great musicians broke up such a unique sound never to be heard again.
Three albums worth though. It's fortunate - divine fortune.
100% Mike Doughty's fault, even though he blamed and to some point, still blames everyone and everything but himself. Agreed though- most unique band of the decade, easily. Beastie Boys were on the decline when this band was on their way up kinda able to fill the vacuum BB's were leaving creatively speaking. Sorry BB fans(and I am definitely a fan, so it pains me to say such), but it was pretty much mostly repetition after Ill Communication. MD even said on multiple occasions that they had "the muscle" to take on the BB's at their own game(i'm paraphrasing here). I don't know about that, but SC were pretty gaddamn good. One of my favorites of all time. Shame MD was such a fucking heel and blew it for them.
@@joesutherland2017 Right now I wonder if that's really the case. Did you come across his book?
@@joesutherland2017 yeah its incredibly fucking sad that they all got along and liked each other except the feelings weren't reciprocated by mike who would just constantly fucking bad mouth them and release a book that essentially was "fuck everyone except me"
@@InfiniteRhombus Yup. In the book he would refer to his bandmates as "the drummer", "the bass player", and "the sampler player". I don't know if it was on an attorney's advice to possibly avoid slander charges to do this, or he was just such a passive aggressive son of a bitch that he wouldn't actually refer to each of them by name.
Getting clean and sober usually brings a person back to ground zero, and they re-discover humility and ask for forgiveness from people they may have wronged in the past. Over the years in my business, I've had several employees that sobered/cleaned up and have gotten to see this firsthand. Some of them make it, some of them don't. It appears MD just ran the opposite way when he got clean, turning into more of a monster than before, and it looks like he attacked everyone around him for years and years.......talk about Mr. Bitterness lol.
Interesting little things here, just observations and opinion. Around 2002-2005, MD was interviewed by multiple music rags(those articles are hard to come by these days, but I read them, looking for a glimmer of hope that they would get back together and make mind and genre-bending incredible music again, but no dice). He said things like he would rather gauge his eyes out than re-unite with SC.
MD shit on everything SC for a looooong time- you can find headlines from as recently as 2012 saying"Mike Doughty's skin crawls when he hears SC", and several other similar statements like that, plus in a YT clip he actually shits all over someone at a MD "request" show or some such shit when they ask for a SC song IIRC. He hated SC........until he agreed to take peoples' money to re-record an album's worth of SC material "The Doughty Way"(you know, on a cheap Casio keyboard in his fucking bedroom closet on a single rainy afternoon lol). I was only able to make through sampling each track off of Amazon for about 10 seconds per track when it came out. It is fucking excruciating to listen to. He murders those songs, and I think he did it on purpose to drive the figurative "knife" he was still holding against the band deeper. That's the only explanation I can think of for how shitty those re-workings of all those great songs are.
Funny how from 2000-2012 he couldn't STAND SC, in 2012 releases a "fuck you" tell-all shitting all over the band and the music, in 2013 he accepts money from SC fans to re-record(and completely destroy) SC greats and calls it an album, in 2015 there he is, feeling out a reunion with the boys, who obviously dropped an anvil on that plan, in 2016 or so starts touring, doing SC numbers, and here he is in 2021 releasing "The Ghost of Vroom". Here's a little ditty from an article on that project-
"The new project was initially meant to be a reunion of SC, who broke up in 2000, with the new name referencing a planned companion piece to their 1994 album, 'Ruby Vroom'.
Doughty told Sterogum that he had begun writing music explicitly for the old band.
"I called up SC and said, "Do you want to do this?" I got back a hot plate of crazy. I was like, "Well, thanks guys", he said.
End of Article
LOLOL what did this jackass expect? That after a dozen years of shitting on the band and a long book on how each of the rest of SC were individually the biggest asshole on Earth on any given day of the week that they would just jump up and say, "Sure Mike!! Let's do it!! You know, I've been sitting here, just waiting by the phone since early 2001 for you to call and ask me that question! Can't wait! See you soon, old buddy!!"
Jesus, the fucking ego on this douche lol. He really has nothing to stand on for the last 20 years except his sobriety, because his half-ass coffeehouse rock schtick was never good(believe me, I listened and tried to like it). I think there's a good reason that most of his recorded music over the last 20 years sounds like him, an acoustic guitar and a roomful of laptops and it's because not many people can actually stand the guy lol.
A little unsolicited advice for MD here.
"You can't go home, Doughty, especially when it was you that burnt the fucking house down in the first place".
And one more thing lol. If MD had somehow released those SC songs on "Circles" "solo & the way he intended them to be" no one would've ever heard of him, because that's truly some horrendous shit lol. There would be no SC, and we wouldn't be having this lovely chat.
Just my opinion- apparently everybody's got one and they all supposedly smell of ass.
He says Sebastian upholds the room, yet in the book I hear the exact opposite.
Then again when I hear Yuval and Mike essentially summarize the sound, I can’t help but smile.
I was reading parts of mike's newest book, and there's a short story where he actually mentions Sebastian by name and praises his playing ability, which was really sweet. So glad they seem to at least be on friendly terms and was so fucking blown away when they performed together a couple of years ago.
Doughty is a legend ... Great upload
Thank you for uploading this!
This is great! Cheers for posting :)
I'm reading Doughty's book right now. He looks so happy in this interview but his bandmates were putting him through a living hell.
What's the name of the book?
@@daniellerogers1352 the book of drugs
@@zachbudig8243 Shanks!
@@daniellerogers1352 you’re welcome, honestly one of my favorite books. Lent it to a buddy a while back tho and never got it back tho lol
@@zachbudig8243 Soul Coughing's always been one of my favorite bands. Just recently started looking up old live performances & interviews. They had such a different kind of sound. Mike has this early Denis Leary vibe to him. Did you ever catch them live?
I could be way off base, but looks/sounds like Doughty was hoping to be a rock star and the bandmates had other priorities. Not that either priority is bad, but fighting will inevitably arise from that. I'm glad enough time has passed for Doughty to soften his stance on the history of it all. Shame it went down, glad that despite what was happening, we got some neat tunes from their time together.
This was so cool, thanks a lot
He talks about how he doesn't like the whole Beat thing while a Beat song he wrote was playing intermittently
I noticed that too 🤣
What version of down to to this is that? It sounds different than the one on ruby vroom
That’s what I was thinking to
stellar footage... ive been a cough fan for 5 years now and i don't think ive ever heard yuval speak... lol... where did you find this?
Knowing the expected commentary, this is quite disturbing, So said the non-existent videography of my life. From LA, SD DEN, BLD, CSP, MSP
quartertwain35 yo what?
Whirred