NATO vs Warsaw Pact: The Air War (1989)

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  • Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
  • Who would have won if the Cold war went hot in 1989? This is the second video of a three part series, exploring the balance of power between two sides. It analyzes the aircraft, SAM systems and their orders of battle in the Atlantic and Pacific, theorizes about the course of aerial conflict and talks in general about each side's technology, doctrine, strengths and weaknesses.
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Комментарии • 1,5 тыс.

  • @AlephNull37
    @AlephNull37 6 лет назад +329

    Wow. Austria got invaded and still remained neutral. That's some real commitment to neutrality.

    • @zepter00
      @zepter00 4 года назад +9

      Austria is so small that author forgot to change its colour 😆

    • @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447
      @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447 4 года назад +17

      @@zepter00 It's not that they would side with one or the other, it's that Austria would likely be invaded by both sides at the same time to open up fronts and channels for troop movement, meaning like Germany, they lose.

    • @zepter00
      @zepter00 4 года назад +2

      That Bad BLU Spy Yes.

    • @emirturkmen4524
      @emirturkmen4524 4 года назад +7

      Switzerland: "Are you challenging me?"

    • @victorlazari5708
      @victorlazari5708 Год назад

      Phaha....true lol)

  • @SeresTheZocker
    @SeresTheZocker 6 лет назад +866

    No matter who wins
    Germany looses

    • @noblegrizzlybear5475
      @noblegrizzlybear5475 6 лет назад +195

      And Italy changes sides and France surrenders. Aaaaannnnddd Germany takes the blame for the whole ordeal.

    • @albertoamoruso7711
      @albertoamoruso7711 6 лет назад +26

      Gentleman Grizzly It would be great if Italy sided with WP

    • @YOQUE2xgpxTRiu
      @YOQUE2xgpxTRiu 6 лет назад

      Nazi Vampire Eating Babies WoW what a comeBack

    • @YOQUE2xgpxTRiu
      @YOQUE2xgpxTRiu 6 лет назад +19

      And poland cannot into space

    • @alandesordi
      @alandesordi 6 лет назад

      As usual !

  • @popuptarget7386
    @popuptarget7386 5 лет назад +89

    As someone who sat in Germany waiting on the Red horde, I'm glad that nobody pushed the go button. It would have interfered with my drinking.

    • @pingmann
      @pingmann 3 года назад

      david edbrooke-coffin i like your clinking

  • @dasbubba841
    @dasbubba841 6 лет назад +199

    This comment section is worth a Binkov video in of itself.

  • @HistoryMarche
    @HistoryMarche 6 лет назад +73

    To think that scenarios similar to this one were a possibility is chilling. Good thing it never came.

    • @zektre2059
      @zektre2059 3 года назад

      Wrong

    • @michaelharris679
      @michaelharris679 2 года назад

      @@zektre2059 a war between India and Pakistan would starve about 1 billion people to death just due to climate effects. A hot war between the US and USSR would make that look like a minor skirmish
      Edit: spelling

    • @zektre2059
      @zektre2059 2 года назад

      @@michaelharris679 why didn't that many people die in ww2

    • @gaminglichgamer4035
      @gaminglichgamer4035 2 года назад

      @@seanmurphy7011 The USA was the one to consider dropping nukes on Vietnam during the Vietnam war and China during the Korean war and went in for a show of strength first during the Berlin crisis.The USA and Soviets probably would've both aimed nukes at each other but honestly I doubt a nuclear war would be approved unless someone shot first.Nukes dropping on NATO countries that don't have nukes may work but honestly that'd only start if an actual attack from Warsaw Pact was initiated.

    • @mint8648
      @mint8648 2 года назад

      @@michaelharris679 it wouldnt. look up kargil war

  • @kharn56
    @kharn56 6 лет назад +192

    Vatican City vs Monaco please ! 💪

    • @kelvinpang438
      @kelvinpang438 6 лет назад +4

      AntiochosSoter Just wait for a little bit under 2 months.

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 6 лет назад +6

      AntiochosSoter -YESS DO IT!!!
      ...the Swiss Guard, having overestimated the disarming effect if their jester costumes, had craftily planned for this dreaded day and reluctantly mobilized it's strategic reserve of snowballs from deep freeze...

    • @martinjuulandersen9694
      @martinjuulandersen9694 6 лет назад +7

      Monaco would be raped like an alterboy !

    • @johan.mydeaf8203
      @johan.mydeaf8203 5 лет назад

      allies for Vatican city and Monaco Vs italy 👈💪

    • @WRGOP
      @WRGOP 5 лет назад

      The Vatican has a bathtub worth 2b :p

  • @sgtmayhem7567
    @sgtmayhem7567 6 лет назад +3

    You do a great job with these videos, I was actually breathing a little heavy, leaning forward and gripping the arms of my chair. Really outstanding, thank you.

  • @kyjason6826
    @kyjason6826 6 лет назад +19

    May I say that we should appreciate the work that went into this video, good god ! I dont want to know how long it took you guys to analyse and transfer this data into a realistc battle . I tip the hat to you people from Brinkovs Battlegrounds!!

  • @dipdop9734
    @dipdop9734 5 лет назад +4

    I love how non biased all of these videos are. He clearly doesn't have a preference for any side

    • @AvroBellow
      @AvroBellow 4 года назад +3

      Yeah, you can tell by how many Americans whine. They're so used to propaganda that paints them as invincible even though they only fight third-world countries like Iraq and can't even win in Afghanistan or Vietnam.

    • @rick7424
      @rick7424 2 года назад +1

      @@AvroBellow I see a bunch of Warsaw Pact fans complain that he has a Western bias. Watch his video on the F-35 vs the SU-35. Alot of angry Russians.

    • @williamemerick6060
      @williamemerick6060 2 месяца назад

      He uses info the Russians put out(they overhyped their equipment), while america under plays what they can do. Or do you think an American attack sub can only do 25 knots. We Americans don't want you to know what are equipment can do. The Russian lie and say their equipment can do stuff they just can't do though. Just look at Ukraine. Or I guess their 5th Gen fighters of Russia or just having bad luck I guess.

  • @Numaaaaaa1
    @Numaaaaaa1 6 лет назад +39

    World in Conflict *intensifies*

  • @massineben7198
    @massineben7198 6 лет назад +227

    As a *CYKA BLYAT* , I have a feeling that I am obligated to *RUSH B* after he finishes "NATO vs WP" video.

  • @mrs7195
    @mrs7195 6 лет назад +27

    I'm really interested to see land warfare in this scenario - it is said that the Warsaw Pact had the conventional land warfare edge in Europe up until about 1983/1984, and after that the balance tipped in favour of NATO, due to better technology and new tactics/strategies.
    And please, since you did Norway vs. Sweden, can you do Sweden vs. Finland as well...? 😉

  • @gildor8879
    @gildor8879 6 лет назад +44

    One of my favourite military jokes referres to that topic: Two Soviet generals are sitting in a bar in Paris when one asks the other: "By the way, who won the air battle?"

    • @kurousagi8155
      @kurousagi8155 3 года назад +3

      That would have been pretty funny prior to the widespread introduction of precision guided munitions.

    • @tvanb8729
      @tvanb8729 2 года назад +2

      In a world where Air domination isnt important that would be a joke, ha-ha. In pur reality air dominance is the deciding factor.

    • @TRUMP2024-m1y
      @TRUMP2024-m1y 2 года назад

      @@tvanb8729 I agree

    • @AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL
      @AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL Год назад

      This didn't age well. Two Soviet generals might be sat on the east if the Elbe wishing there were some bridges lwdt ti cross

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims 3 месяца назад

      @@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIALit didn’t age well when it was posted
      Everyone has circle jerked the Russians for decades and god knows why

  • @mississippirebel1409
    @mississippirebel1409 6 лет назад +12

    Great video Binkov!
    Once the US introduced the F-15 and F-16 fighters to it's fleet during the Cold War, they pretty made every Russia fighter obsolete. The F-15 was by far the best air superiority fighter in the world and had a great radar, avionics and other sensors. The F-16 was just a nasty little fighter that could do just about anything you could think of from air superiority to air to ground missions. The Russian Mig 29 wasn't that big of a threat to either the F-15 or F-16, but if the Mig 29 managed to get in close, it could become a threat.

    • @gbornitz
      @gbornitz 2 года назад +1

      Till 1990 the F16 wasn't that great, as it had no Sparrow missiles. They only integrated the AMRAAM for BVR, which massivly improved its capabilities.

    • @dimitarivanov2562
      @dimitarivanov2562 Год назад

      😂😂😂

    • @denvasya1986
      @denvasya1986 Год назад

      About MiG-29 is true. MiG was perfect for dogfights, but for long-distance air battle - no. However, soviets had su-27 which was pretty good for both kinds of air battle.

    • @hermannalios2740
      @hermannalios2740 Год назад

      F4 Near to Retrirment Nato say F4 were need you Back

  • @arandompersonlol1202
    @arandompersonlol1202 6 лет назад +157

    Amazing video as always bro! Keep it up!
    Can you make Turkey VS Iran please?

    • @KouNagai
      @KouNagai 6 лет назад +1

      a random person lol👍👍

    • @afridyabir
      @afridyabir 6 лет назад +7

      a random person lol obviously iran will win❤️🤘

    • @KouNagai
      @KouNagai 6 лет назад +29

      Afrid Abirov but without nuclear wepons, turkey win. Turkey has more tanks, planes, ships and soldiers than iran. And iran has lots of turk population. That can help turkey in war too

    • @KouNagai
      @KouNagai 6 лет назад +25

      Afrid Abirov and turkish economy is larger than iran too

    • @turkishwolf9630
      @turkishwolf9630 6 лет назад +9

      a random person lol Turkey Drop 1 Nuklear Bomb In Tehran Half Iran Population Death So Turkey Easy Win

  • @okandoguhanaslaner8863
    @okandoguhanaslaner8863 6 лет назад +2

    damn​ mate, it is huge research to get this result. Good job with that. I m waiting for next video.

  • @tbo2307
    @tbo2307 3 месяца назад +10

    The first Gulf war showed us just how superior to soviet equipment and training the west was. This has been painfully made clear from the war in Ukraine as well. The NATO forces would have murdered the soviet air.

    • @Sinistercabbage
      @Sinistercabbage 19 дней назад

      Yes, the NATO forces and equipment were generally better than Soviet but the Iraqi equipment was of older types, somewhat downgraded export models and in lower quantity than what Warsaw Pact would have thrown at the west. And the Iraqi army was also probably less competent Lastly the western air forces had a luxury of fighting against a static enemy. They seldom had to worry about soviet armoured breakthroughs. the force comparison in 1989 would favour NATO far more than one in early 80s or late 70s for example. Reagan administration didn't ramp up the military spending for no reason.

    • @SteinersCounter
      @SteinersCounter 14 дней назад

      It was 10 years old tech and not even the best, export version. Against modern us and it's airpower​@@Sinistercabbage

  • @rayne_brown
    @rayne_brown 9 месяцев назад +3

    Former R&D for the U.S. military here. His videos fascinate me. He has this unique ability to be quite interesting while having nearly no real understanding about how wars are fought. He is also fairly subtle when it comes to how he slants his videos to get a particular outcome. Which is impressive considering that he has little to no understanding about war.

    • @anrw886
      @anrw886 4 месяца назад

      Yeah his videos are merely interesting theory I think, nothing more than just a proposed war game vision

    • @rayne_brown
      @rayne_brown 4 месяца назад +1

      @@anrw886 kind of yes. He his videos make me think of a middle schooler trying to give a military lecture. Both amusing and strangely fascinating. Even when he gets certain points right he has no real understanding of what those points mean or how impactful they are. He stretches the likelihood of certain outcomes and lowers others in order to influence the results and make them believable.

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims Месяц назад

      This comment makes no sense
      Especially when you think about it, what part of R&D gives you any credibility or authority by the way?

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims Месяц назад

      @@rayne_brown0 examples cited

    • @rayne_brown
      @rayne_brown Месяц назад

      @@looinrims considering I was one of the individuals who decided military doctrine im very qualified. My job consisted of a handful of tasks the most important of which are what matters here. First my team and I had to evaluate the higher level technology of our military, our allies, and as much as we could the nations we were most likely going to enter conflict with. The latter consisted of certain nations such as Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea to name the top four. The purpose of this when it came to our military was to decide which higher end and experimental technology was worth keeping as well as how best to integrate it into our military properly and that included the development of a specific doctrine for the individual technology. The purpose of this when it came to our allies was mostly because it allowed a greater understanding of that particular allies capabilities. I of course did not have a hand in deciding the individual doctrine of our allies. That was their decision alone. The purpose of this task as it relates to a likely enemy again allowed us to develop a very good understanding of the capabilities of multiple nations we deemed had a high risk of conflict with us. Going back to this video and channel in general. This creator has very little real understanding of the fine details of how modern war is fought. He also slants his videos to get an outcome that he prefers. He is similar to someone who thinks because he plays COD that he is qualified to be in the army. He demonstrates a somewhat decent knowledge of the generalities but a nearly complete lack of knowledge about the specifics of modern war. For example he places far too high a value on time limitations with certain assets. A United States Supercarrier can be literally anywhere in the world with an attached body of water large and deep enough for it to sail with 72 hours. This is due to their nuclear core and certain other classified components. That means their max speed is far higher than 30 or 40 knots. To be fair this fact is little known outside of a certain part of the military. However he claims a carrier has a very limited amount of time on station which while true is FAR longer than he claims. We very specifically DON'T use our ships in this manner because we don't feel it is necessary. Its rough on the equipment and in most situations is unnecessary. He also places a VERY high value on assets such as China's long range anti-ship cruise missiles. These weapons while dangerous are NOT nearly as effective as claimed. They rely on a long and complex kill chain just to get the missiles within 200 miles of the ships they target. That kill chain is part of something called ""combative logistics"" which is a military ""martial art"" that was invented and perfected by the United States military. Nobody knows how to disrupt such a kill chain as effectively as the United States military. Disruption of even ONE link in such a chain renders the weapon useless. China is inflexible and lacks the ability to adapt. Would they be able to use the weapon in a limited or rapid first strike situation? Limited capacity? Yes. First strike? Yes ONLY if it was a first strike WITHOUT previous political bickering with us. Any such bickering would make us wary and measures are always taken. Our countermeasures would also defeat most such attacks that DO get launched. And for any such missiles that got through most wouldn't target a Supercarrier they would target a less important ship of the fleet and for any that struck a carrier? It wouldn't sink it. Short of a direct strike or near miss from a nuclear weapon our Supercarriers are ALMOST impossible to sink in combat. But I digress my point is he knows very little about modern war and his lack of knowledge shows in these videos. If you have any farther questions feel free to ask and when I eventually see the comment I will attempt to answer.

  • @massineben7198
    @massineben7198 6 лет назад +35

    Shit is about to go down once that awesome intro start.

  • @leonardgrant6876
    @leonardgrant6876 5 лет назад +35

    Nice, but I am pretty sure that Soviet satellites soldiers from Czechoslovakia, Hungary, etc would defect a lot which would complicate the situation.

    • @voss0749
      @voss0749 4 года назад +12

      In 1989 Hungary and Poland would likely object to soviet forces going to war from their territory.

  • @wisnuwangsawardana6245
    @wisnuwangsawardana6245 6 лет назад +13

    Dear Commissar Binkov, could you make analysis about possible late or post WW2 era conflicts like operation unthinkable or operation downfall?

  • @avocedo975
    @avocedo975 6 лет назад

    Its 1 AM and i just delay my sleep for this shit.
    Thats how much i love you.

  • @Powderlover1
    @Powderlover1 5 лет назад +3

    This really doesn’t take into account the condition of the soviet Air Force, DoD studies around this time showed that roughly half of their fighter aircraft were out of service and would require weeks to get operational, and those weeks would allow the US to recommission hundreds or even thousands of decommissioned aircraft, and that the majority of soviet Air Force was way out of date and totally outclassed.

    • @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447
      @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447 4 года назад

      Still, once the Soviet numbers closed the gap, it would turn into an all out furball, à la Comona.

  • @stoat2
    @stoat2 6 лет назад

    I can't be the only one whom wishes to snuggle Binkov?!

  • @darryljones3009
    @darryljones3009 6 лет назад +16

    The Roman Empire vs Han Dynasty China in an arena war in the year 100 AD.

    • @xenotypos
      @xenotypos 5 лет назад

      The channel Metatron (focused on history) actually did something like that.

  • @nickkaning7616
    @nickkaning7616 2 года назад +2

    Game Changer:
    F-117 could take out SAM batteries in 1989.

  • @Limescale12
    @Limescale12 6 лет назад +3

    can't wait for the ground war video 👍

  • @lightbox617
    @lightbox617 5 лет назад

    Your graphics could be a little more sophisticated but your knowledge of history, current events and logistics is impeccable
    Thanks

  • @siredwardheath4920
    @siredwardheath4920 6 лет назад +36

    Two soviet tank commanders, old friends, run into each other while on leave in Paris. "By the way," one of them asks the other, "Do you know who won the air war?"

    • @rickychandler5013
      @rickychandler5013 6 лет назад +9

      Sir Edward Heath without control of the air the Soviets commanders would probably be prisoners.

    • @lape2002
      @lape2002 6 лет назад +4

      Air power is overrated. The Soviets would have controlled the air by stationing a shitload of T-72 and T-80 tanks at the conquered NATO bases. That's the point of this anecdote. The Red Army conquered the ground first then the air during WW2.

    • @markusweissenbock6337
      @markusweissenbock6337 6 лет назад +5

      Because Germanys air power was forced to fight against the bomber attacks in the west.

    • @benyamaha4426
      @benyamaha4426 6 лет назад

      Sir Edward Heath didnt get it

    • @zulfiqarhashim1376
      @zulfiqarhashim1376 5 лет назад

      @@benyamaha4426 most likely the shorter the airwar , more the advantage is with WP.Longer the airwar NATO has edge as
      1-NATO aircraft are more reliable and made for long hours
      2-More available reserves from USA/canada
      3-The initial WP strike will achieve their purpose likely but significantly deplete the strike planes and escorts available to them
      4-Would be interestng to see if USSR does not use any su-27 in the initial assault and use the PVO + VVS flankers ( approx 400 + in mid-1989) as a "fleet in being " for a counter strike

  • @Lasstpak
    @Lasstpak 6 лет назад +2

    I think this is pretty complex one. Especially when you count Soviet SAMs. During Yum Kippur SAMs alone had a devastating impact. But only during the static fase. I guess the way both sides would act and use their assist would mostly decisive. And defence tactics were mostly a plus of both sides.. I guess...

  • @babyseals4872
    @babyseals4872 3 года назад +4

    Great video! Very interesting. I applaud the level of thought that went into this. I was surprised though that the existence of the F117 didn’t come up. It’s ability to operate with impunity (at the time) as a strike aircraft taking out key c&c nodes and such makes it quite a force multiplier IMO

  • @T_P56
    @T_P56 6 лет назад +2

    I read about a Soviet air doctrine that they had to strict with ground control in very echelon shape, plus like in the video said that it could be very chaotic conflict. It is a downside for Warsaw pact that discourages personal decisions in the situation that need it the most.

  • @anthonyandrew6725
    @anthonyandrew6725 3 месяца назад +5

    This didn’t age well.

  • @metanumia
    @metanumia 6 лет назад

    Great video, thank you once again Commissar Binkov!

  • @Teampegleg
    @Teampegleg 6 лет назад +12

    Strange that you categorize the F-18 as Very Good, but you consider the F-16 as Capable. The F-16 and the F-18 have very similar levels of capability.

    • @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447
      @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447 4 года назад +1

      @Mists & Shadows Someone's done their research.

    • @Braycali
      @Braycali 4 года назад +4

      Mists & Shadows holy shit someone who isn’t just talking out their ass in this comment section. You have no idea how much respect I have for you right. Good job brother.

    • @Necrodzentelmenel1
      @Necrodzentelmenel1 4 года назад

      @Mists & Shadows
      Where tf did you even got all that information?

    • @andrewgraham6006
      @andrewgraham6006 4 года назад

      Mists & Shadows fuck asks man that’s like a fucking easey

  • @Paveway-chan
    @Paveway-chan 6 лет назад

    Man, the animations for these videos are top notch, love it :P

  • @scorpionfiresome3834
    @scorpionfiresome3834 6 лет назад +58

    Balkan States vs Turkey
    Can the balkan peninsula stand up to it's old enemy and subjugator?

  • @fw6938
    @fw6938 6 лет назад

    When you want to do your homework, but Binkov publishes a new video...

  • @Admiral_Jezza
    @Admiral_Jezza 6 лет назад +25

    >Warsaw Pact successful for the majority of the video
    >NATO wins
    What?

    • @nickcalderon2637
      @nickcalderon2637 6 лет назад +9

      Jezza NATO would have won in the long, long, long run. However in the short run its a tie. Now as for ground military, I think it's safe to say that the Soviets had that in the bag.

    • @jurisprudens
      @jurisprudens 6 лет назад +19

      If you look at the lists he provides more closely, you realize that NATO led in the numbers of good and modern aircrafts. Most of WP's planes were mediocre or poor. NATO air forces marginally win in this scenario, because it is able to deliver more damage to the WP ground troops than they themselves take.

    • @aaronlonghuynh5245
      @aaronlonghuynh5245 5 лет назад +1

      jurisprudens Quantity over Quality is only viable with large differences in quantity.

    • @andrewfranciscohughes2481
      @andrewfranciscohughes2481 4 года назад

      @@nickcalderon2637 WOULDNT SAY IN THE BAG

    • @AvroBellow
      @AvroBellow 4 года назад

      @@andrewfranciscohughes2481 I would. The WP had the most potent land forces in military history.

  • @bloodinthewater5603
    @bloodinthewater5603 6 лет назад +1

    Binkov lost a little credibility with me on that Russia versus European Union thing but this gets it back with this. REALLY GOOD!!!

  • @ShivanshNautiyal-hk8uo
    @ShivanshNautiyal-hk8uo 6 лет назад +119

    When I see Notification I was like whoaaaa click click click .

  • @KorbenDalasCZ
    @KorbenDalasCZ 6 лет назад

    in Czechoslovakia there were several units with the S-200 VEGA set and one regiment equipped with the S-300 set and dozens of positions S-75 VOLCHOV and S-125 NEVA, dozens of sets 2K12 KUB, OSA-AKM, S-10 Strela10 and thousands of S- 2 Strela2. I was a soldier at the command post in 1990. We were visited by representatives of the US AIR FORCE and the German Air Force. they saw a tactical map deploying air defense units. They were terrified. they said they would not win and would have huge losses.

  • @rajc2257
    @rajc2257 6 лет назад +32

    Do India vs China

  • @lmyt1505
    @lmyt1505 6 лет назад

    This is my favorite video on this channel

  • @comradeiceberg7660
    @comradeiceberg7660 6 лет назад +4

    What a great video series. Thank you very much for doing these Binkov. However I'm puzzled how you rate the planes ? The Mig-23 has got to be the worst fighter of the cold war , see the loss rates when operated by Arab armies. Likewise the F-15 has shot down over 100 opponents with no losses which makes it beyond exceptional . Great video all the same

    • @gbornitz
      @gbornitz 2 года назад +4

      I think it is based on the equipment and flight performance of the plane. The kill ratios of the two planes are not that useful, as they happend under different circumstances. E.g. the Mig 23 was often flown by poor trained pilots against more modern enemies, whereas the F15 was flown by well trained pilots against older planes. Furthermore, the US F15 enjoyed force multipliers like AWACS. Also the effectivness of planes changes with the number of planes. The 200 km range of the F15 radar loses part of its advantage, if you lose situational awareness, because the airspace is too crowded.

  • @majunior4623
    @majunior4623 6 лет назад

    Yes I have been asking for this forever!

  • @pablodelatorregalvez4260
    @pablodelatorregalvez4260 6 лет назад +28

    Please, do European Union vs China.

    • @etherealkraken2662
      @etherealkraken2662 6 лет назад +19

      *Nothing happens because they're a continent away and neither has overwhelming naval supremacy*

    • @aussieboy4090
      @aussieboy4090 6 лет назад +2

      How do you invade the other side of world without suffering many casualties.

    • @xeji4348
      @xeji4348 5 лет назад +4

      Both sides don't have the necessary replenishment fleet size to sustain a large fleet that far.
      Even the UK and Frence over seas bases have the capability to support a few ships at max.

  • @MasonicadaM
    @MasonicadaM 6 лет назад

    finally iv been looking every day for this

  • @dave28bs
    @dave28bs 6 лет назад +6

    Heya! Great video, how did you do your research? Could you pin your bibliography next time? Thanks!

  • @Whitetigerking88
    @Whitetigerking88 6 лет назад +1

    An interesting question. I feel like I should throw flows at this dudes feet his knowledge is so on point for the declassifies and soon most of the stuff will be declassified.

  • @NotTheBomb
    @NotTheBomb 6 лет назад +3

    this channel is way under subbed for the amount of detail and quality they put into these videos.

  • @adamferguson8781
    @adamferguson8781 6 лет назад

    Great series 👍👍 Looking forward to the Ground War Edition.

  • @вампиркобато
    @вампиркобато 6 лет назад +23

    USA vs California

    • @DaTurdburglar
      @DaTurdburglar 6 лет назад +2

      вампир кобато california is in the usa...

    • @hello51319
      @hello51319 6 лет назад +7

      DaTurdburglar that's the joke.

    • @DaTurdburglar
      @DaTurdburglar 6 лет назад +1

      Abage im autismo pls no bully

    • @jaredwilliams5620
      @jaredwilliams5620 5 лет назад +2

      Trapped behind enemy lines

  • @gma729
    @gma729 4 года назад

    I LOVE BINKOVS BATTLEGROUND !!! I LOVE THIS CHANNEL !!!!!!🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 GREAT JOB !!!!

  • @mohammadsab4478
    @mohammadsab4478 6 лет назад +38

    Naval force:Nato won!
    Airfoce:Nato won!
    Ground force:WP Hold my beer!

    • @CallsignYukiMizuki
      @CallsignYukiMizuki 6 лет назад +5

      Basically this.
      It's only understnadable since US is the biggest NATO player (while Soviet is the biggest WP player) that NATO will most likely be on the disadvantage on the ground war. It's a lot harder to transport tanks and other equipment over an ocean than on land. If geography somehow changed and North America is literally next to Europe without a large mass of water, it would drasitcally give NATO a huge advantage

    • @markusweissenbock6337
      @markusweissenbock6337 6 лет назад

      NATO forces were more diversified. This might have given them an advantage in overall tactics. The WP just simply had to adjust for a variety of different attacks while themself they were bound to strict ruling. Of course, that all under the assumption of non-nuclear attacks.

    • @communistcat3240
      @communistcat3240 6 лет назад

      vodka beer is over rated

  • @patrickgermain1643
    @patrickgermain1643 6 лет назад +1

    The F-117 stealth plane was operational (though not in large numbers) by this time, I suspect it would have been used to good effect behind the front lines. I don't know if anyone already pointed this out as there are so many comments already.

  • @NeoEngineCorp
    @NeoEngineCorp 6 лет назад +87

    England vs USA
    The tea-drinkers insulted American footbal, saying it wasn't real football.
    Now, the burger munchers will make them pay!!

    • @alganhar1
      @alganhar1 6 лет назад +29

      It isnt, its Rugby for wimps...
      When did you ever see a rugby player wearing body armour and a helmet?

    • @Rert
      @Rert 6 лет назад +26

      But it's not football it's rugby for cowards.

    • @r.c.1881
      @r.c.1881 6 лет назад +26

      Burger yeah, you're right, let's call a sport where you touch a ball first and foremost with feets soccer, and let's call instead a sport where you seldom kick an object with not even a roundish shape football.

    • @TheCJUN
      @TheCJUN 6 лет назад +7

      He should start a historic channel. Habsburgs vs Ottoman Empire etc.

    • @hussainpainter52
      @hussainpainter52 6 лет назад +4

      Shut up yank! Tea is love, tea is life and Football(what you wrongly call "Soccer") is thousand times better than Handegg (what again you wrongly call "Football")

  • @calebmitchell6870
    @calebmitchell6870 6 лет назад

    Great new production work!

  • @nunyabeeswax303
    @nunyabeeswax303 6 лет назад +20

    Our bases wouldve been knocked out with short range missiles. Soviet aircraft are easier to maintain in a war they could land on improvised airfields. There mobile air defense would claim a lot more of our aircraft. Tactical nuclear weapons would be needed to stop a full Soviet push to the Rhine. Simulations say 7 days to the Rhine river, then they would have to stop at the French borders. Baring nuclear weapons 1 1/2 months the Soviets would take all of western Europe.

    • @lape2002
      @lape2002 6 лет назад +1

      Exactly

    • @markusweissenbock6337
      @markusweissenbock6337 6 лет назад +4

      I doesn't help to have aircraft able start from improvised airfields in central europe. Plenty of concrete and asphaltet areas there. Heck, you could event start B-52s from a lot of the Autobahns. Much better infrastructure than the WP in central europe. High tech industry in every small city could out-manufacture WP countries by a factor of 100.

    • @m1garand903
      @m1garand903 4 года назад +1

      That’s just not true

    • @anastas11ace80
      @anastas11ace80 3 года назад +1

      @@markusweissenbock6337 that is really not true. you cant land a fighter jet on a motorway. you can maybe take off from one if its long and straight enough but that is really unlikely in most cases. it is extremely useful for aircraft to land on impoverished airfeilds. it is stupid to say there is more concrete than feilds and natural terrain in west europe. you heavily underestimate powerful warsaw pact industry, and overestimate NATOs industry as well. there were no "high tech industries in every small city" that is comedical thing to say. it is known soviet factories could produce much more and much faster than western european ones (mainly because there werent a lot of big factories in west europe) eastern infrastucture was similar to western one. but that doesn't even matter because planes cant take off from motorways except in very specific cases

  • @scottytoohotty8510
    @scottytoohotty8510 6 лет назад

    Love your video Commissar Binkov!!!

  • @Viper_75th_RR
    @Viper_75th_RR 4 года назад +3

    You failed to mention the impact of stealth technology. There were several squadrons of F-117s in service in 1989 and the primitive Soviet radar systems in use at that time had no chance of detecting them. Don’t you think those planes would have been able to decimate the Soviet’s command and control structure?

    • @anastas11ace80
      @anastas11ace80 4 года назад

      an F-117 was shot down by those "primitive radar systems" you speak of in 1999 i doubt they would be any more effective than any other NATO bombers

  • @aaronlaluzerne6639
    @aaronlaluzerne6639 6 лет назад

    Dude, you know how drastically different the 1990's would have been if a war of this scale and magnitude would had broken out?!!!

  • @korean_empire157
    @korean_empire157 6 лет назад +4

    South Korea vs Japan

    • @Марковбаев
      @Марковбаев 6 лет назад

      GOOD

    • @korean_empire157
      @korean_empire157 6 лет назад

      Yeah but some of them are still arguing each other.

    • @xeji4348
      @xeji4348 5 лет назад

      Japan has the superior naval power in this matchup, but Japan wouldn't be able to make massive landings. At most, maybe a few islands

  • @chamathgunarathne3548
    @chamathgunarathne3548 6 лет назад

    Awesome comrade you have done a great job

  • @BlazingSlav
    @BlazingSlav 6 лет назад +65

    Poland Vs Ukraine

    • @вампиркобато
      @вампиркобато 6 лет назад +6

      DJ Frank Poland vs Russia's slave Belarus

    • @deltoroperdedor3166
      @deltoroperdedor3166 6 лет назад +12

      вампир кобато that's not even a fight, it's just Poland bitchslapping a minion

    • @afridyabir
      @afridyabir 6 лет назад +10

      DJ Frank ukraine is already destroyed

    • @вампиркобато
      @вампиркобато 6 лет назад +1

      Afrid Abirov Are you Belarusian? So you are Russian's slave hahaha 🙄

    • @вампиркобато
      @вампиркобато 6 лет назад +3

      Lukashenko should go to hell. Why he doesn't side with Ukraine why?? Why he side with Russia?? Fuck Belarus!! Russia's slave

  • @jamesmasonaltair1062
    @jamesmasonaltair1062 4 года назад

    Great video. Fairly thorough and insightful. Binkov even laid out the stats and details. In conjunction with his other two vids in this series, well done!
    The importance for both sides of AWACS, AEW, and ELINT platforms cannot be overstated. A Sentry, Hawkeye, or IL-76 can control an air battle for hundreds of miles. Their powerful (air and surface) search radars enable fighters and strike planes not to have to employ their own active sensors and remain under EMCON. Sometimes certain aircraft can even target enemy platforms using the data from the AEW aircraft. ELINT platforms can jam and confuse radar systems.
    It comes down to those who can see farthest, clearest, and see the enemy first will almost always win. Especially with BVR attack capabilities, even in 1989. (For example, the F-14 Tomcat's up to six Phoenix missiles had a range of 100+ miles.) In 1989, and still true today, he who can aquire, identify (IFF), and fire first lives to fire again.

  • @ledavalon7118
    @ledavalon7118 6 лет назад +6

    Great video, love the series! But the Sea Harrier under "poor"? They shot down 20 argy planes with zero air to air losses in the falklands so surely they can't be that bad. Apart from that there's nothing to nit pick. Great quality!

    • @501ststormtrooper9
      @501ststormtrooper9 4 года назад +1

      I think it’s because us Argentines had lesser skilled pilots.

    • @AvroBellow
      @AvroBellow 4 года назад +1

      They shot down export-version Mirages that were fighting at the outer edges of their range and constantly had to fly back to get refuelled. Most of those kills were on planes flying away from them. Again, context is everything.

  • @ryankorte8601
    @ryankorte8601 6 лет назад

    Well done sir! I love your stuff....

  • @corvus8352
    @corvus8352 6 лет назад +3

    Please do a World War 3 scenerio! USA+Allies+NATO vs Russia+China+North Korea+Syria

    • @eduardoraul5780
      @eduardoraul5780 6 лет назад +1

      i think US has problems with all the countries in BRICS, they would probablly declare war in the US side too, and Cuba/Venezuela would for sure ally anyone that wants to destroy the US
      note...on this comment i was trying to be impartial, if i dont say this a lot of people would throw to me like mad dogs :P

    • @eduardoraul5780
      @eduardoraul5780 6 лет назад

      but, again, trying to be impartial...he...seems to have a problem with russia, he has been trying hard to put russia down in every video he makes, and what i mean is that he dosnt put some good russian weapons, and some good tanks, have been classified by him as "ex-soviet tanks in storage" or something like that, he also puts a much smaller number on them and the excellent are classified as good, the good as mediocre and the mediocre as bad, so honestly, if he dosnt make a video where he puts what each side really has, and classify them correctly, i think it dosnt make sense to watch that video, because he will put a much smaller arsenal on russia side and probablly on the whole russia-china block, so that makes a lost war for them, anyway, i liked the world war 3 scenario idea :)
      edit: some people Said something about the logistics, and thats why he dosnt put the whole number, but i dont think so, but anyway, if he uses logistics, then use the same for both sides, its not like you are going to watch by example football and tell a team that its players cant use one of their legs lol

    • @CallsignYukiMizuki
      @CallsignYukiMizuki 6 лет назад

      Asumming no nukes involved, this will be an interesting fight. US side would have the technological edge while the Russians/Chinese would have the numerical advantage

    • @chrisgaming9567
      @chrisgaming9567 6 лет назад +1

      Continuing from what You Remember and Eduardo said, I imagine the other CSTO nations, Iran, Iraq, Serbia and Pakistan would join the sino-russian side

  • @SharyarJaleel
    @SharyarJaleel 6 лет назад

    Hiroshoo comrade ..what an awesome details analysis 😀😀😀

  • @Madplanetguy
    @Madplanetguy 6 лет назад +3

    China vs North Korea

  • @pmc9088
    @pmc9088 6 лет назад +1

    Ignored F 117 and what those 50 planes would have done to soviet supply lines, airfields and in a sensor support role for the wild weasel missions. In 1989 those planes had been operational for 6 years and were flown by the best USAF pilots. Jstars was in development at that time but I'm pretty sure that the 2 E-8A would have made an appearance over a 1989 German battlefield. There is a saying that quantity has a quality of it's own but it in the face of dramatically superior technology it might just create a target rich environment. Warsaw pact would have gone nuclear when they realized they had lost the air and tactical intelligence war and their advance stalled.

  • @boukhlifhanani1219
    @boukhlifhanani1219 6 лет назад +9

    Algerai VS maroco

  • @nahkoratan9673
    @nahkoratan9673 6 лет назад

    This hyped me up to play Wargame airland battle and Wargame Red dragon.

  • @massineben7198
    @massineben7198 6 лет назад +29

    13:21 I wonder what do the Russian pilots say.

    • @scudb5509
      @scudb5509 6 лет назад +31

      Fliyo MB Ура! => Hurraah.

    • @scudb5509
      @scudb5509 6 лет назад +32

      Хм => hmmm.

    • @MrTangolizard
      @MrTangolizard 6 лет назад +15

      Fliyo MB in 1989 most likley I hope we get paid this year

    • @jurisprudens
      @jurisprudens 6 лет назад +8

      Most likely, "where do we get meat today?". The "I hope to get paid" thing came later, in the 1990s. ;)

    • @romanbuinyi
      @romanbuinyi 6 лет назад +2

      jurisprudens
      Soviet pilots were better fed and payed than ground troops. So probably they would have meat and payment no matter which year :)

  • @pand9293
    @pand9293 6 лет назад

    Great job Binkov !!

  • @greenacorn1151
    @greenacorn1151 6 лет назад +19

    Roman Empire vs Han China

    • @deltoroperdedor3166
      @deltoroperdedor3166 6 лет назад +3

      Green Acorn why not the Zulu against some north American tribe?

    • @etherealkraken2662
      @etherealkraken2662 6 лет назад +3

      *Nothing happens because they're a continent apart and neither has overwhelming naval supremacy*

    • @greenacorn1151
      @greenacorn1151 6 лет назад +2

      Panda Boss He smushed the US and Russia together for the arena war.

    • @chrisgaming9567
      @chrisgaming9567 6 лет назад +2

      In a real-geography war, complete stalemate. In an arena war, I have no idea

  • @jacobxiaolong9104
    @jacobxiaolong9104 6 лет назад

    If a NATO vs Warsaw Pact Air War like this happened, it would be like Ace Combat.

  • @tristissimvshominvm8999
    @tristissimvshominvm8999 6 лет назад +35

    Do Russian presidential airplane and escorts vs Air Force One and escorts.

  • @tornadolover920
    @tornadolover920 6 лет назад

    BINKOV IS ADORABLE

  • @ThaoNguyen-wq1dp
    @ThaoNguyen-wq1dp 6 лет назад +3

    vietnam vs north korea

  • @ryantogher8105
    @ryantogher8105 6 лет назад

    Loving the new animations.

  • @butikegoloko3130
    @butikegoloko3130 6 лет назад +5

    Phil vs indo.

    • @noodles7193
      @noodles7193 6 лет назад +1

      butike goloko I hate to say it, but The Philippines would lose

    • @butikegoloko3130
      @butikegoloko3130 6 лет назад

      MasterOfNoodles i just want to know how fast they will lose.

  • @scotthulsey8763
    @scotthulsey8763 3 года назад +1

    You would have to add 3-4 carrier Air wings or
    More into the air battle .

  • @chkoti366
    @chkoti366 6 лет назад +40

    plz..india vs china..video

    • @afridyabir
      @afridyabir 6 лет назад +1

      chkoti366 if pakistan captured jammu and kashmir then india will be dead..

    • @afridyabir
      @afridyabir 6 лет назад +10

      and obviously china will win

    • @izeiHH9675
      @izeiHH9675 6 лет назад +3

      no need
      we all know who would win

    • @rajc2257
      @rajc2257 6 лет назад +3

      Afrid Abirov but Pakistan won't capture Jammu and kashmir

    • @dernierergenekon5234
      @dernierergenekon5234 6 лет назад

      1962

  • @niko__sito
    @niko__sito 6 лет назад

    USA vs TURKEY, taking place in North Eastern Syria. This was actually on BBC news, so really interesting

  • @reincarnationofkurtcobain9449
    @reincarnationofkurtcobain9449 6 лет назад +3

    Do Texas vs California

    • @deathphantomdaredevil
      @deathphantomdaredevil 6 лет назад +3

      reincarnation of Kurt Cobain Texas would win cause there are more gun lovers and a lot of ex military

    • @reincarnationofkurtcobain9449
      @reincarnationofkurtcobain9449 6 лет назад

      deathphantomdaredevil 9000 lol i know

    • @mickeyg7219
      @mickeyg7219 6 лет назад

      deathphantomdaredevil 9000
      California has larger military presence though, just look at how many military installations California has. Major military contractors, like Lockheed Martin has factories in California.

    • @newcreationinchrist1423
      @newcreationinchrist1423 6 лет назад +1

      Mickey G so then it's not just Texans vs Californians? Lol

  • @magicstix0r
    @magicstix0r 6 лет назад

    This is why MAD was such an important doctrine at the time. NATO always knew they didn't have the numbers to hold off the Warsaw Pact, but it was tacitly implied NATO would use nukes to overcome that problem. Since the use of nukes would eventually result in MAD, the Soviets were unlikely to risk such a scenario by attacking Europe...

  • @artemmaltsev2
    @artemmaltsev2 6 лет назад +12

    >"Soviet side would also use bomber launched long-range ballistic missiles"
    I guess you've meant "cruise missiles" not "ballistic"

    • @jurisprudens
      @jurisprudens 5 лет назад +2

      No, he meant exactly ballistic missiles. "Aeroballistic" missiles, to be precise. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-15

  • @unclemirjafar5858
    @unclemirjafar5858 6 лет назад

    Good Luck Binkov !

  • @ShivanshNautiyal-hk8uo
    @ShivanshNautiyal-hk8uo 6 лет назад +344

    Putin vs trump fist fight.

    • @unclejoeoakland
      @unclejoeoakland 6 лет назад +69

      Shivansh 2018 Nautiyal those guys are lovers, not fighters

    • @jesusf.2600
      @jesusf.2600 6 лет назад +56

      Shivansh 2018 Nautiyal PUTIN WOULD BITCH SLAP TRUMP AND TRUMP WOULD CRY LIKE THE BITCH HE IS.

    • @ShivanshNautiyal-hk8uo
      @ShivanshNautiyal-hk8uo 6 лет назад +2

      unclejoeoakland 😂😂😂😘😘😘😘😘

    • @maxstark4744
      @maxstark4744 6 лет назад +71

      Trump has said on the record that he "doesn't believe in exercising" while Putin has a black belt in Judo and is nearly ten years younger ...

    • @Elementalism
      @Elementalism 6 лет назад +9

      I think Putin could bitch slap trump. Be he will need a chair to get high enough to deliver it.

  • @jonsouth1545
    @jonsouth1545 6 лет назад +1

    You are completely ignoring the impact of emerging Stealth technologies in the F117A and the B2 when the Russian contingent to UN forces saw them in action for the first time in the run-up to Desert Storm they were so shocked they declared the entire Russian defence system obsolete and then completely pulled all their forces out of the UN forces involved in the first Gulf War in 1991 Baghdad was considered the most heavily defended area in the world using the latest equipment bought from the Russians (in a concentration, not even Moscow had) yet the new Stealth aircraft tore them apart without significant losses 42 (an aditianal 33 were lost in accidents) Aircraft in 100,000 sorties. That was a rude awakening for the Russian military.

  • @carlbergquist6433
    @carlbergquist6433 6 лет назад +4

    Sweden vs. Finland

    • @afridyabir
      @afridyabir 6 лет назад +1

      Carl Bergquist definitely finland 🇫🇮 they have massive marine ship and air craft

    • @stalhandske9649
      @stalhandske9649 6 лет назад

      Surely you mean Sweden victorious, then? Swedish air forces _and_ navy fleet are both far superior to us Finns, and have been for the wole duration of Finnish independence. Land forces not so much (though Swedes are a tad better equipped), especially considering that we have more guts to fight.
      I'm assuming the scenario would not be for this shameful period of 2010-17 when Sweden had its conscription abolished?

    • @marcusalm7350
      @marcusalm7350 6 лет назад

      Stål Handske
      While abolishing the conscription may have been a really bad decision in hindsight knowing how the world looks now (and arguably without hindsight as there are benefits of the program for society in general, but anyway), it made sense due to the doctrine change. Going from a force made to defend from the invasion of a neighboring superpower to one of international peace-keeping was made because the superpower was no longer as big of a threat and keeping the rest of the world at peace made sure that consequences didn't spread to us (like hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing the middle east creating the... politically interesting... situation we are in now).
      Would these missions worked and kept the world more peaceful than the price of the positive effects of the conscription program might have been worth it. But now with that price paid *and* our home region once again feeling pressure from the superpower in the east we got stuck with all the negatives and none of the positive aspects.
      Sorry if I'm rambling a bit. But analyzing decisions, especially bad ones, and seeing if they made sense at the time is something I find really interesting.

    • @alejoquiroga9369
      @alejoquiroga9369 5 лет назад

      Sería casi imposible que sucediera eso porque ambos son neutrales, se concentran principalmente para la defensiva que la ofensiva.

  • @devontemorgan672
    @devontemorgan672 6 лет назад

    Yay a new Binkov video

  • @mississippirebel1409
    @mississippirebel1409 5 лет назад +3

    Looking back at what we know now, the Mig 29 and other Russian fighters were no match for US fighters like the F-15, F-16 and F-18. The Mig 29 is actually one of the worst fighters of all time. It has probably the worst combat record of all modern fighters. It would have been a turkey shoot for NATO pilots if war would have broken out.
    The gap in fighter technology has only gotten wider since the 1980's. Not only is the US air force MUCH larger than Russia's air force, the technology gap is very wide. Plus US pilots still get a lot more flight hours and better training.

  • @carlgrau5910
    @carlgrau5910 5 лет назад

    Good video

  • @mrwri
    @mrwri 6 лет назад +15

    Oh boy, the cringey comments...

    • @cv4809
      @cv4809 6 лет назад +5

      Meester Writer Your comment itself is cringey

    • @mrwri
      @mrwri 6 лет назад +4

      fuck you got me there

    • @senorhace4746
      @senorhace4746 6 лет назад +3

      Meester Writer normie

  • @elrond3737
    @elrond3737 3 года назад +1

    The 91 gulf war gave us a look at how much better Nato's gear was better than soviet gear. Nato doctrine, training and tactics are better as well. In the end Nukes would have been used... most likely

  • @subtitleaddict5343
    @subtitleaddict5343 6 лет назад +5

    EU VS. Islamic Countries!!

    • @seekervii4656
      @seekervii4656 6 лет назад +1

      하성태 Islamic countries of course.

    • @subtitleaddict5343
      @subtitleaddict5343 6 лет назад

      Pavel Krit Well...It will be a bloody battle...

    • @chrisgaming9567
      @chrisgaming9567 6 лет назад +1

      In terms of nuclear firepower, EU has France (300 medium-yield) while Islam has Pakistan (130-ish, low-yield)

    • @Ag3nt0fCha0s
      @Ag3nt0fCha0s 6 лет назад

      Gloves off the Islamic countries don't stand a chance.
      That ia how they got colonised.

    • @reaperx4589
      @reaperx4589 5 лет назад

      @@Ag3nt0fCha0s That was over 100 years ago now are strong

  • @nscaled1
    @nscaled1 6 лет назад +1

    I didnt hear alot of talk about electronic warfare. Frankly that surprises me. Its my opinion that Soviet forces would be very effective early on, but after a week of fighting Nato Electronic Warfare would have rendered most of the Soviet missile systems irrelevant.