I have 1 angel fish and 1 discus, they do this as well from time too time. It's usually the angel fish that starts it but most of the time they swim together and are friends, although I'd love too have some more I don't really want too disturb the equilibrium
@@omlet1231 why not? I’d just keep an eye on them and make sure you don’t have aggression. I have an aggressive one who spooked one of my favorite ones and it hit its head on the lid and died.
Great info. I have angelfish with discus and temp is 84 degrees. I think the angelfish are in spawning condition and have separated the breeding pairs.
Why 84 degrees...for the Discus maybe...🤔. I have 4 large angels and they do really well at 77-78. Only have had trouble with the breeding pair attacking everything when spawning. Not too bad though. Maybe I got lucky🤷🏾♂️.
I have 10 angels in a 75 gallon, and when they spawn I can confirm they take half the tank LOL. I started with one from a. 29 gallon and added 9 larger ones from a local fish store. 10 I found is the sweet spot. They are all full grown mostly and it’s very peaceful, with a bit of bickering
Interesting how they incorporate their cichlid behaviors into sparring, without causing damage to fins. But when things turn serious there are no rules. Beautiful fish. Elegant comportment. I have two large pairs in a 55, that I got as dime sized fry. Thanks for an informative and interactive video. Really enjoy seeing these! (Rainbows were extra colorful this am!)
You are right...once a pair forms and selects a space for eggs, all bets are off. i really think the only thing to do then is to isolate the pair, especially in a smaller tank. Glad to hear the rainbows are settling in for you. Hope they fully fire up soon, if they haven't already.
My adult angelfish even made popping noises. As if someone was tapping against the glass. I noticed it only cause the filter inlet was under water. Otherwise I never would have noticed it.
What happens when you have two angelfish and a 36 or 38 gallon aquarium, and I rescued one that was in the store for six months and he was separated away from the others because how he was picked on what behavior would look like
Awesome tips I have 5 koi Angel's in a 55, they're doing great but been eating neons and kill OJ ng off some rummy nose, I think I'll take your advice and just leave them 5 Angel's to themselves in that 55.😁👍
Thank you for this informative video! It was very helpful as I’m just setting up a 29 for my first angel! The breeder said I could go with three but I knew better. Hmm...one or two...? We shall see :)
I love all your videos, so informative. Your Goldie looked like she was getting picked on a lot & chased & this would concern me, I've noticed this a few times while watching this video. Is she still in this tank & is she OK ?
The corys are Corydoras arcuatus...or skunk corys. Yep, not everyone has the tank space to deal with separating an agro angel. I am lucky I do so I can keep them!
Ahhhh!!!! I just had to take my 4th (juvenile) angelfish back to Petsmart cause it was sparring with the other angels. Now I feel horrible cause it was actually happy. 😢
Very good video, thanks. I had a single Koi Angelfish with a body the size of a half-dollar. I put ten Cardinal Tetras in the aquarium one afternoon. The next morning, all of the Cardinals were gone, except for the two tails hanging out of the Angelfish's mouth!
This exact thing happend to me the other day put 10 Tetras in the next morning all gone and my angel fish was my prime suspect and here I am watching this video . Now I know
Hey Dan. Hello from across the pond! I wonder if you could give me some advice regarding my present Angelfish aggression? Sorry in advance it's a bit lengthy but I feel needs explaining. So I have a confirmed pair of Koi Angels (approx 2yrs+). They're in a 110L tall tank, planted, bogwood etc, no other fish. They used to regularly spawn every 2 weeks, up to 4 months ago, then suddenly stopped. Were never good parents, ate the eggs, or wigglers if they made it up to 4 days, no more. I've tried all techniques, separating the eggs in a raising tank ( same tank water), gentle airstone on eggs .Methylene blue/Hydrogen Peroxide 10%, Aldercone brew, you name it, I've tried it and wigglers never made it past 3 days stage. Always perished. Now since they stopped spawning, the male became a real bully. The female hid most of the time ( still had a voracious appetite snatching the conditioning food), but then hid. I separated them with a mesh for 2 weeks, then removed the male rearranged the tank then added him, but now the roles have reversed. She is now the bully, he hides most of the time (still eats at feeding times, but she nips him and chases him off). Really don't know what's going on as I want to get them to spawn again, but with no success. No changes in Parameters ever (80%RO/20%HMA filtered), temp always 24°C 0ppm Ammonia & Nitrites. 30-40ppm Nitrates (naturally occurs in water source). I've even tried to stop a weekly 20% water change to avoid diluting any hormones, but still no joy. Female bulks up with food but that's it no breeding tube ever appears now, no cleaning of leaf surfaces or the slate anymore. Can you suggest anything at all or is this likely the end of the pairing? I can't find any advice whatsoever and I'm desperately trying to fix the problem. Any advice would be massively appreciated. Shame we can't add pics/videos on RUclips comments to give you an idea of the set up. Really enjoy watching your videos( I tried to follow your Angel breeding video, a while back, but it failed for me as described above). Sorry for the long comment but, here's hoping you can give me some advice. Thanks again!
I have 2 bonded pairs one male one female of each. Out of both pairs one of the males is a koi angel fish. They are housed in a 55gal tank with with 6 betas. There’s some fin nipping happening but nothing too excessive. However the Koi angel fish is ramming and cornering the other pair not letting them move around very much at all. I have plenty of live plants and a couple logs for the betas. Any help would be appreciated. Also these fish have been together for about a year now.😀
I bought 2 juveniles who were in a 10 gallon tank together when I got them. They did well until recently. I put them in a 20 gallong long just to grow them out along with 3 black phantom tetras. Now one of them is terrorizing the other. I am going to move the evil one to my 55 gallon.
Oh man. I just added 3 veilfin angels to my 325gal that has 30 angels in it and they're acting super weird. So that makes sense. Hopefully they figure it out... 😑
Dan I have a question pls Dan respond to this!!! My angels are constantly having babies non stop and they have been so agresive I have an angel with a small chunk bitten out of its side and the pair have gone to the lengths of killing my favourite balloon mollies :( 🥺 please get back to me as soon as you can bc I need it urgently u might not even see this but if you do I beg you I NEED YOU!
I know this is a late answer but I was having issues with a pair that formed and were spawning what I did was to lower the temperature so it wouldn't encourage breeding
My two angelfish will lock lips all the time and have a stare down they never hurt each other though. I am adding 4 more large angelfish this weekend hopefully no fighting I don't have another tank or the room for another so I can't separate them. I'll just let them figure it out. I'd prefer to have all the same sex so there's no pairing up .
I have a 65 gallon community tank that had two angelfish. I added two more angels not knowing there would be an aggression issue. I am not opposed to adding 4 more angelfish but i need to know how much space is required for the community.
Thank you very much for your detailed suggestions. I live in southern China and the temperature in summer can be high. My fish tank is in my study where I don’t normally stay very long. Do I need a separate air conditioner for the fish tank? Hahaha.
I bought a angel that is slightly bigger than the other 3, and when feeding time comes, he bullies everyone now. Made a mistake and got one bigger than a quarter, thinking about removing them but all I have is a 10 gallon to put em in, was no aggression before they came and now feel dumb for buying a fish that size. He's kind of a jerk now, not gonna lie. But, you have similar mismatched size fish in your tank. Hoping they can all coexist long term, maybe the smaller ones will catch up to the medium one in size.
Very helpful. I used to keep African cichlids years ago but stopped because of the ongoing tank violence. Have community tanks now but just started a new planted 75 and added 5 almost quarter size angels, 4 of whom are hatch mates. While they were in QT in a bare bottom tank with floating plants only, they were fine. Now there is turf and after 6 days, lots of chasing and stare downs. There will be more line of sight breaks as the plants mature, but hoping they settle into zones quickly. They are beautiful to watch as long as everyone still feels free to enjoy the new spaces. @Dans Fish will females also defend territories as young fish in a new tank? Will males chase females out of their spaces at this age? The odds of getting 5 males out of 5 seems small, but right now I have 4 defending a space and one apparently doesn't get a space even though it's 75 gallons 🙄
Great informations Brother ! Recently I noticed that I have 2 males and 1 female. The males was fighting for dominance. I removed one of the pair. You have great Angelfish by the way !👍😀
I have 2 angelfish they are never aggressive to eachother and they have made eggs before but they only attack other fish for no reason should I move them both in one tank
J D, You can have angels in that size of tank. It is just a bit more difficult and it would be good to have a plan B tank you can move some into if aggression becomes an issue in the 30 gallon. If you only have a 30 gallon a single angel would be just fine.
Hi, thank you for the information, I need your advice plz. I have 4 angelfish around 3-4 months old, after two weeks one of them stopped eating for several days now and the others are eating normally, he still looks in good health and fighting, swimming normally. What could be the reason and How to make him eat normally again? @DansFish
I wish I could give you a solution, but there is no easy answer. There are as many reasons a fish would stop eating as there are a human would stop eating.
I have 2 in a community tank-true the bigger one is more aggressive-they have a love/hate...sometimes they get along, sometimes they don't. I don't think the smaller one is too stressed out by it all. At least I hope not.
The bigger one almost killed my smaller one. I have to keep the smaller one seperately now, coz it cant breathe properly 😣 The two of them were together for more than 6 months. Dont know what suddenly got into the bigger one 😢
I have 5 small angels in a 39 bow . I put them all in around the same time they're doing great and buzzing around the thank ,but there it's dominant behavior being disciplined don't know if I have all males or some females.
Goldie could be in trouble based on this 'tape.' She's a different color and slightly smaller. I wonder if those factors are recognized by the rest of the group? ---------- Your "line of sight" observation is true and can work. Large rocks and plants that define open spaces will create territories that can be retreated to and defended.
Pal Joey!!! Great to hear from you. I'm keeping a close eye on Goldie. She's also sprouting longer fins (veiltail-ish), which makes her a bit more delicate than the others. So far, so good. She's actually put on a lot of size since being moved into this tank. I've got a few options waiting in case she turns into a target. I think, however, that with this large group, she will probably be fine long term. Time will tell. Best, Dan
I have 4 babies 2 grey ones and 2 black ones will they eventually get aggressive with each other? In a 20 gallon long but they where all born together but I will eventually upgrade to a 75 gallon tank or 120
can someone please help, my angelfish(2 gold, 2 zebra's,1 smokey,2 koi, 1 leapord) are sick, i think, there gills are sticking on there body all hiding (in a group) and they used to be friendly and come up to my hands and eat there food from me, now there getting spooked when im near and they rarely eat, please help i dont know what is wrong , if something is wrong , thanks
Ok so I have 2 angels in my 378lt, acclimated him now. My black bigger angel was constantly chasing and "pecking the white platinum but no damage. But anyway I think my tank is spacious enough. By the way the platinum is smaller but will keep a close eye. I have a 60lt community, if things get rough. Will seperate
Hello Kevin. I wish I had a magic bullet for you, but it is very common for a large fish to harass the smaller ones. If the tank is large enough, you could try adding more angels to spread the aggression, but separation is probably a more realistic option.
@@DansFish We have a 55 gallon tank and we have 4 other angels but they are littler. The mean one we got, we got with other one and we´ve had them for like 6 months but he goes after him CONSTANTLY and the littler ones he goes after him too.. The fish that the mean one came with, his fins are super frayed.. So we are thinking about getting a separater
What about 1 angel with several glofish tetras and 2 Dalmatian mollies? Would that be safe in a 29 gallon tank. (3 snails) I heard not to do 2 angels Incase they pair up… then everything dies in the tank
Interesting... I've never had more than 3 angels at a time and I've never had angels be so aggressive that they kill other angels. I've had angels murder and eat other smaller species and shrimp and snails. But never each other. I'm guessing part of it is I typically try keep my angels with other angels of a similar size and energy level. I generally also keep my angels with schooling tank mates, including neon tetra. Which probably makes it harder to single out one individual. I also select tank mates based on my angels' temperament. If I have more docile angels, I'll stick neons in there. If more aggressive, then I'm sticking with mollies and platties, green tiger barbs (in my experience way less nippy than regular tigers) and fish around that size.
I have one of my angelfish has been harassing my two mollies. One of my mollies has horribly ripped fins and a loss in color while the other seems fast enough to get away (but is still getting chased and nipped at). Please give advice!!!
If there are no caves for the ancistrus to hide in, that would be a good place to start. Is the bushynose one of the long finned varieties? If it is not, and it is of a decent size, then I think it should be fine with an angelfish as long as it has plenty of caves.
@@DansFish I think I have plant y of hiding space , a lot of plants and woods but my anasitrus just like to stay on top on the filter and my angles keep coming and attack him like a frey first I thought it was oxygen but I put my oxygen bubble at max. . Tank size is 75 liter
I have a gallon or half-gallon tank 2 angels, 4 glofish. But my angelfish (male) made one of the glotetras half blind and have bladder issues. It kept on chasing all the other fishes and nick their tail/fins. I had to seperate the other glotetra. maybe I should change the tank?
Sorry to hear your angelfish is giving you trouble. If he doesn't stop, yes, it might be time to separate him or get a much larger tank so everyone has enough space for their territories.
I have a 36G tank with 5 tetra. Recently I added two angelfish and didn't realize that one is bigger than the other one. The bigger one seems very aggressive and chase all fishes in the tank. The smaller angelfish obviously became the target quickly and always hide at the top of the tank or under the wood with broken fin, and getting weaker and weaker everyday. Luckily she is still eating okay (not a lot, but at least still chasing foods) and so I decided to add a separator in the tank to isolate the bigger one. There are small spaces in the separator and so the tetra can still pass through it, but obviously the tetra mostly stay with the smaller angel. Now I hope I can buy some times for the smaller one to get stronger and hopefully I can remove the separator in one day. I'm not sure if it is a good approach or not. Any suggestions?
Wauw im surprices you dont have more likes. Nice video! I was wondering when they do spawn and get agressive because of that. How long would that take? Weeks, months?
It depends on how the tank is set up. They can spawn pretty much anytime if they are mature adults. If you keep the temps in the mid 70's, they will spawn less frequently. Once they have selected a spawning site, they will immediately defend it against all comers.
I bought two angelfish a week ago and now one of them is attacking his partner so much that the other one hiding amd running away from him. I think both of them are males buts it's actually hard to the tell the difference bcos their still quite young.Can somebody tell me what should i do?i just jailed the attacker in my net for now :P
My four Angel fish kill anything I put in my tank, I had a bunch of fish and the only thing left is the 4 Angel fish and one huge gold fish. that somehow survived (I have a 50 gal tank)
I have a beautiful adult female angelfish that I've raised from quarter size. She's laying eggs on a leaf in our heavily planted 29 gal. community tank as I type this comment. She's been laying eggs about every six weeks for several months and she is quite healthy with beautiful color. This is my first experience with an angelfish and I love her. Now, to my question... I'm not particularly interested in a breeding her, but I would like to add another angelfish to the tank. Is it possible to do that without aggression issues and if so, should I add a juvenile or a mature adult?
Hello Hornet1, Thanks for telling me about your fish. She sounds great. IME, adding a new angelfish to a small tank with a firmly established angelfish in it can lead to problmes. If you really want to do it, you could add another adult and see how it goes. However, please have a soliid Plan B in place before hand in case it does not work out. Also, from your profile pic, I'm guessing you are into bettas? If so, what kinds are you working with?
@@DansFish After considering all the possible drawbacks, I've decided not to take a chance on adding another angel to my tank. The tank is so peaceful and healthy that I think it would be unwise to take the chance. I breed dumbo halfmoon bettas (emphasis on whites and platinums).
Mine can't get their shit together :( I have 2 and they both swim freely and seem to get along fine but I'm noticing more and more of their fins getting shorter. :/ how do I make them knock it the hell off? They both seem to eat fine together and hang out fine. Will they eventually figure it out and cut it the fuck out??
Trying to decide what to add to my tank with mollies and heard angels can live with them and I've always wanted to have an angelfish in a planted community tank. Is one fine on its own with the mollies? Or will there be issues I should be aware of?
Love your Angels! Platinum is my favorite and I have two with a black lace, a gold pearl, and a marble. Have them about a year and they are outgrowing the 40 gallon but no indication of pairing. Do I dare try putting two into a 30 gallon? At this time I don’t have room for a 55.
You could totally put a couple of them in a 30 gallon, however, it might be hard to add them back with the others if they don't pair off. If it has been a year, temps are 80-ish, and water conditions/food are good, and you have not seeing any pairing behavior, you may be in the edge of the statistical bell-curve and actually have 4 of the same sex. Hard to know for sure, but, usually I would expect so see some pairing action from a group by now if it contains mixed sexes. Please let us know what ends up happening!
I have 3 Angel fishes in my 30 gallon tank one is small and the other are medium sized Blackangel and Koiangel my problem is that the blackangel always chase koiangel and tries to nip her fins. I dont have any other tank to keep them separate.
I wish I had a magic solution for you, but 3 angels in that size tank can be tough. Perhaps finding another home for the one getting picked on is a good idea, especially if the other 2 have formed a pair.
I have a question. Awhile back I bought 1 blk. marble angelfish, a month later I got a platinum one & they have always stayed side by side. Now they are quite big & still tog , no breeding tubes, I often see them cleaning each other, no aggression or anything. Wondering if they would be 2 of the smae sex or a pair. There is just the 2 of them & a few platys which were in the tank first, sometimes they do chase the platys . Wondering what you think. Very informative video. Thnks
Howdy Cheryl, Thanks for the query. It is hard to tell for sure as the sex on angelfish is never quite certain until they produce a fertile spawn. There could be 2 of the same sex or they could be a male and female and just haven't spawned yet. If you have had them a long time, they are full grown, and conditions/temps are optimal for spawning, then I would be quite surprised if they are indeed male and female, but you never know for sure until they spawn. Best, Dan
I have two angelfish one white, slightly bigger than my other marbel fish. White angel keep picking up on the marble. Her upper fin is half nipped and one lower tentacle. Cannot refuce temperature neither I can sperate them. I have 20 gal community tank with 4 guppies and 2 gold fish. Please help!!!!!. I do have a 4 gal tank as well with 5 tetras. Both the tanks cycled. Pleasr help in saving my fish.
Thank you for your video this was very informative. I have 4 Angel fish in a 29 or 30 gallon they are huge now. They were medium size when when l bought them. Right now my fish are poking each other and then 3 of them are poking at one particular Angel fish. I don’t understand it so l bought a 55 gallon tank I hope this will help. I don’t have a heater which l will purchase and l will keep track of the temperature. If this does not work l will separate the fish that is being poked at into another tank.
Dans Fish Well unfortunately l have bad news! While l was preparing to change tanks all 4 of my Angel fish died. What happened was l took my fish out of my old tank, and separated them into 2 smaller tanks while l was Adding water and plants to the new tank. They were breathing heavy and swimming rapid. I did not understand what happened. I got help on RUclips on how to transport fish. I discovered that l should of added some of the old water to the 2 temporally tanks that l had them in and also test the water and temperature. Anyway l got the bigger tank running and l bought more Angel fish. I have learned now what l must do to make sure everything runs smoothly. Thank you for replying. 🥰
great video - question for you - we have 4 in a 55G tank and one of them (koi angel) is being picked on by a bully angel fish - it has stopped eating too (probably stressed). what do you recommend we do - we have no other tanks?
I have 7 angels and most have paired up they all lay so I've had to separate the 3 pairs in 3 different tanks as they all fight so much! What if I separate males from females would that fix the aggression ? And have one male tank and one female tank?
I bought 3 angels who all grew up healthy and now about 6” top to bottom fins. Two paired up and I had to remove the left out fish. He was really sad! The pair has had several eggs but none hatched so far. The single angel went into a 30 gallon. I bought him a buddy. After quarantine the new angel he/she joined my single angel. They get along. 3 days after meeting I get eggs. I was shocked at how fast they “ fell in love”! I’m concerned the 30 gallon is too small but I already have 6 tanks...5 more than I wanted. Back to the original pair in the 55 gallon...they are the problem now. They spawned again and now the male I’m guessing is after the female like to kill it. It’s hiding and got a nip in it’s side.what happened to the duo? What do I do now?
Howdy Karen, Thanks for sharing your experience with the angels. Sounds like quite the soap opera in those tanks! I'm not sure why the male turned on the female. It might help to move him out and let her recover. It also helps if there are lots of plants or other things in the aquarium to break up their line of sight so she can retreat from the male if she needs to. Lowering the temperature to the mid-70s helps me calm them down when they get aggressive. Dither fish may also help. Fingers crossed for you!!!
How many angelfish can you have in a 29 gallon fish tank? I have one established angelfish in there I also have three Candy cane tetras, two silver tipped tetras, one Cherry barb, three Amano Shrimp, and one Bristlenose Pleco. I always had bad luck with bringing in other Angelfish in an already established tank. I have my aquarium temperature at 81 F any lower and the fish seem sluggish. Thank you.
Andrea, if you already have an established angel in the tank, it might not work to add more, especially if it is an adult male. 29 is not that big for a bunch of adult angels.
@@DansFish Thank you I plan to just add a couple more Candy cane tetras and two more silver tipped tetras and that's it. No more angelfish for me except the one I have.
I just happened upon this video and it is one of the best I have seen about Angelfish aggression.
agree!
Fact backed up by rational with demonstration! Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Definitely enjoyable watching them telling each other who's boss. Then goes the quite and peaceful cories swimming by.
Cory's are perfect citizens.
Definately one of the better Angelfish videos on RUclips. Cheers Dan.
Thanks, Daniel. I'm glad you liked it.
I have 1 angel fish and 1 discus, they do this as well from time too time. It's usually the angel fish that starts it but most of the time they swim together and are friends, although I'd love too have some more I don't really want too disturb the equilibrium
Great info. Haven’t kept and bred angels for over 25 yrs. I don’t recall ever dealing with excessive aggression. Maybe I was lucky. 🤔👍
Sounds like you need to get another pair :)
I have four angels in my 55, with two pearl gourami and various tetras.
Everyone gets along great.
I have 2. Should I get more
@@omlet1231 why not?
I’d just keep an eye on them and make sure you don’t have aggression.
I have an aggressive one who spooked one of my favorite ones and it hit its head on the lid and died.
@@sneakypenguin8107 that sucks.. sorry to hear
Great info. I have angelfish with discus and temp is 84 degrees. I think the angelfish are in spawning condition and have separated the breeding pairs.
Why 84 degrees...for the Discus maybe...🤔. I have 4 large angels and they do really well at 77-78. Only have had trouble with the breeding pair attacking everything when spawning. Not too bad though. Maybe I got lucky🤷🏾♂️.
Beautiful and great info!! 👍✌
Thanks, Officer!
I have 10 angels in a 75 gallon, and when they spawn I can confirm they take half the tank LOL. I started with one from a. 29 gallon and added 9 larger ones from a local fish store. 10 I found is the sweet spot. They are all full grown mostly and it’s very peaceful, with a bit of bickering
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. 10...the magic number!
I appreciate your video I feel better about the healthy sparring info Hopefully they relax though I prefer it when they are calmer
Hopefully, the chill once they work things out.
Interesting how they incorporate their cichlid behaviors into sparring, without causing damage to fins. But when things turn serious there are no rules. Beautiful fish. Elegant comportment. I have two large pairs in a 55, that I got as dime sized fry. Thanks for an informative and interactive video. Really enjoy seeing these! (Rainbows were extra colorful this am!)
You are right...once a pair forms and selects a space for eggs, all bets are off. i really think the only thing to do then is to isolate the pair, especially in a smaller tank.
Glad to hear the rainbows are settling in for you. Hope they fully fire up soon, if they haven't already.
Well my angels keep attacking koi and wanting to attack my 2 large oscars
Sounds like they are planning on spawning soon
Thanks ever so much. I only have two Angels right now will remedy that and I've lowered the temp.
My adult angelfish even made popping noises. As if someone was tapping against the glass. I noticed it only cause the filter inlet was under water. Otherwise I never would have noticed it.
What happens when you have two angelfish and a 36 or 38 gallon aquarium, and I rescued one that was in the store for six months and he was separated away from the others because how he was picked on what behavior would look like
Lots of things could happen...every scenario is different. What did happen?
Awesome tips I have 5 koi Angel's in a 55, they're doing great but been eating neons and kill OJ ng off some rummy nose, I think I'll take your advice and just leave them 5 Angel's to themselves in that 55.😁👍
Hope they do well for you.
Thank you for this informative video! It was very helpful as I’m just setting up a 29 for my first angel! The breeder said I could go with three but I knew better. Hmm...one or two...? We shall see :)
Hope it goes well for you!
3 in the 29 would be ok for a lithe while I believe. If they are the only fish in it.
I love all your videos, so informative. Your Goldie looked like she was getting picked on a lot & chased & this would concern me, I've noticed this a few times while watching this video. Is she still in this tank & is she OK ?
That video was made 6 years ago. That aquarium went to a friend when we moved to the warehouse.
What are the corys? They are super cute. Thanks for the video, I’ve been put off Angels due to this very problem.
The corys are Corydoras arcuatus...or skunk corys. Yep, not everyone has the tank space to deal with separating an agro angel. I am lucky I do so I can keep them!
Ahhhh!!!! I just had to take my 4th (juvenile) angelfish back to Petsmart cause it was sparring with the other angels. Now I feel horrible cause it was actually happy. 😢
Ah, sorry to hear that!
Very good video, thanks. I had a single Koi Angelfish with a body the size of a half-dollar. I put ten Cardinal Tetras in the aquarium one afternoon. The next morning, all of the Cardinals were gone, except for the two tails hanging out of the Angelfish's mouth!
#FatAngelFish
This exact thing happend to me the other day put 10 Tetras in the next morning all gone and my angel fish was my prime suspect and here I am watching this video . Now I know
Hey Dan. Hello from across the pond! I wonder if you could give me some advice regarding my present Angelfish aggression?
Sorry in advance it's a bit lengthy but I feel needs explaining.
So I have a confirmed pair of Koi Angels (approx 2yrs+). They're in a 110L tall tank, planted, bogwood etc, no other fish. They used to regularly spawn every 2 weeks, up to 4 months ago, then suddenly stopped.
Were never good parents, ate the eggs, or wigglers if they made it up to 4 days, no more.
I've tried all techniques, separating the eggs in a raising tank ( same tank water), gentle airstone on eggs .Methylene blue/Hydrogen Peroxide 10%, Aldercone brew, you name it, I've tried it and wigglers never made it past 3 days stage. Always perished.
Now since they stopped spawning, the male became a real bully. The female hid most of the time ( still had a voracious appetite snatching the conditioning food), but then hid. I separated them with a mesh for 2 weeks, then removed the male rearranged the tank then added him, but now the roles have reversed. She is now the bully, he hides most of the time (still eats at feeding times, but she nips him and chases him off).
Really don't know what's going on as I want to get them to spawn again, but with no success.
No changes in Parameters ever (80%RO/20%HMA filtered), temp always 24°C 0ppm Ammonia & Nitrites. 30-40ppm Nitrates (naturally occurs in water source).
I've even tried to stop a weekly 20% water change to avoid diluting any hormones, but still no joy. Female bulks up with food but that's it no breeding tube ever appears now, no cleaning of leaf surfaces or the slate anymore.
Can you suggest anything at all or is this likely the end of the pairing? I can't find any advice whatsoever and I'm desperately trying to fix the problem. Any advice would be massively appreciated. Shame we can't add pics/videos on RUclips comments to give you an idea of the set up.
Really enjoy watching your videos( I tried to follow your Angel breeding video, a while back, but it failed for me as described above). Sorry for the long comment but, here's hoping you can give me some advice. Thanks again!
I hate when my 2 fight! I put my finger in and tell for stop! Usually, they stop right away
Wow! That's amazing...
I have 2 bonded pairs one male one female of each. Out of both pairs one of the males is a koi angel fish. They are housed in a 55gal tank with with 6 betas. There’s some fin nipping happening but nothing too excessive. However the Koi angel fish is ramming and cornering the other pair not letting them move around very much at all. I have plenty of live plants and a couple logs for the betas. Any help would be appreciated. Also these fish have been together for about a year now.😀
Just found your channel. Found this video very helpful as I keep a handful of angels. They are such magnificent fish. Subbed.
do they fight like his?
Tnx it was very informative
I'm glad you found it worth while...thanks for watching.
I bought 2 juveniles who were in a 10 gallon tank together when I got them. They did well until recently. I put them in a 20 gallong long just to grow them out along with 3 black phantom tetras. Now one of them is terrorizing the other. I am going to move the evil one to my 55 gallon.
Perfect! Glad you have another tank you can put him into to give the little one some relief.
Oh man. I just added 3 veilfin angels to my 325gal that has 30 angels in it and they're acting super weird. So that makes sense. Hopefully they figure it out... 😑
Thank you!
Dan I have a question pls Dan respond to this!!!
My angels are constantly having babies non stop and they have been so agresive I have an angel with a small chunk bitten out of its side and the pair have gone to the lengths of killing my favourite balloon mollies :( 🥺 please get back to me as soon as you can bc I need it urgently u might not even see this but if you do I beg you I NEED YOU!
I know this is a late answer but I was having issues with a pair that formed and were spawning what I did was to lower the temperature so it wouldn't encourage breeding
I'm doing a pair of angels and a betta with a suckerfish. So far so good. They chase and fight a little not a lot
My two angelfish will lock lips all the time and have a stare down they never hurt each other though. I am adding 4 more large angelfish this weekend hopefully no fighting I don't have another tank or the room for another so I can't separate them. I'll just let them figure it out. I'd prefer to have all the same sex so there's no pairing up .
I have a 65 gallon community tank that had two angelfish. I added two more angels not knowing there would be an aggression issue. I am not opposed to adding 4 more angelfish but i need to know how much space is required for the community.
I'd suggest 8-12 for a 65 gallon to help lesson aggression.
I just baught neon tetras today and my angelfish have been attacking them a lot should I just move my angel fish to a different tank
IME, Angelfish will eat neon tetras.
Thank you very much for your detailed suggestions. I live in southern China and the temperature in summer can be high. My fish tank is in my study where I don’t normally stay very long. Do I need a separate air conditioner for the fish tank? Hahaha.
Tsao,
They can take it pretty warm, but it does amp up their spawning, and therefore aggression, urge.
I bought a angel that is slightly bigger than the other 3, and when feeding time comes, he bullies everyone now. Made a mistake and got one bigger than a quarter, thinking about removing them but all I have is a 10 gallon to put em in, was no aggression before they came and now feel dumb for buying a fish that size. He's kind of a jerk now, not gonna lie. But, you have similar mismatched size fish in your tank. Hoping they can all coexist long term, maybe the smaller ones will catch up to the medium one in size.
Great info Dan. Went through heatwave here and it triggered my guys to spawn ..
Congrats! Are you raising the babies or letting them go?
bad news ... i left the eggs and they ate them. Next spawn i will retrieve them and be ready with food etc
Sorry to hear the spawn was lost, but their ain't nothin' wrong with a little caviar for fish nutrition.
Dans Fish lol...so do I tune the heater to trigger them again?
I've found that a temp of 82 - 84 will trigger spawning. They will spawn at lower temps too, but not as frequently.
Temperature tip was good. I keep it at 79/80, but I'm gonna try 78.
Very helpful. I used to keep African cichlids years ago but stopped because of the ongoing tank violence. Have community tanks now but just started a new planted 75 and added 5 almost quarter size angels, 4 of whom are hatch mates. While they were in QT in a bare bottom tank with floating plants only, they were fine. Now there is turf and after 6 days, lots of chasing and stare downs. There will be more line of sight breaks as the plants mature, but hoping they settle into zones quickly. They are beautiful to watch as long as everyone still feels free to enjoy the new spaces.
@Dans Fish will females also defend territories as young fish in a new tank? Will males chase females out of their spaces at this age? The odds of getting 5 males out of 5 seems small, but right now I have 4 defending a space and one apparently doesn't get a space even though it's 75 gallons 🙄
Nice job!
Thanks, MJV. Glad you liked the vid.
How many would you recommend in a standard 55 gallon to minimize aggression?
Can I keep two different types of angelfish in the same tank
What is the appropriate food for angel fish? Just purchased 2 koi angel fish? Thank you. What is most available and appropriate.
Great informations Brother ! Recently I noticed that I have 2 males and 1 female. The males was fighting for dominance. I removed one of the pair. You have great Angelfish by the way !👍😀
Thanks Protim! Good move removing the 3rd wheel angel.
Dans Fish 😀👍
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I have 2 angelfish they are never aggressive to eachother and they have made eggs before but they only attack other fish for no reason should I move them both in one tank
Sure. If the other fish are getting beat up, moving the angels seems like the right thing to do to me.
I guess I won't be putting angel fish in my 30gallon tank when I set my tank back up. 🤔
J D, You can have angels in that size of tank. It is just a bit more difficult and it would be good to have a plan B tank you can move some into if aggression becomes an issue in the 30 gallon. If you only have a 30 gallon a single angel would be just fine.
Hi, thank you for the information, I need your advice plz. I have 4 angelfish around 3-4 months old, after two weeks one of them stopped eating for several days now and the others are eating normally, he still looks in good health and fighting, swimming normally. What could be the reason and How to make him eat normally again? @DansFish
I wish I could give you a solution, but there is no easy answer. There are as many reasons a fish would stop eating as there are a human would stop eating.
I have 2 in a community tank-true the bigger one is more aggressive-they have a love/hate...sometimes they get along, sometimes they don't. I don't think the smaller one is too stressed out by it all. At least I hope not.
Sounds like they are probably married...
I have 10 angels 5” with tons of fishes. My angels were aggressive when they were young. A year later they don’t fight at all.
Ah, good to know! Age mellows, I suppose.
If I keep 6-8 just female angels.... Am I supposed to face aggression ?
Your angels are constantly agressive there i have angels and they have changed looks of my tank totaly beautiful yet theyr little agrresive
My angels are attacking my koi fish what should i do?
Thank you
Thanks for stopping by, Koryboy!
The bigger one almost killed my smaller one. I have to keep the smaller one seperately now, coz it cant breathe properly 😣
The two of them were together for more than 6 months. Dont know what suddenly got into the bigger one 😢
He might have sextually matured and started to feel the need to breed.
@@DansFish yeahhh, must be. The other one is still alive in seperate container, though can't swim properly 🙁 but eating daily 😊
I have 5 small angels in a 39 bow . I put them all in around the same time they're doing great and buzzing around the thank ,but there it's dominant behavior being disciplined don't know if I have all males or some females.
Goldie could be in trouble based on this 'tape.' She's a different color and slightly smaller. I wonder if those factors are recognized by the rest of the group?
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Your "line of sight" observation is true and can work. Large rocks and plants that define open spaces will create territories that can be retreated to and defended.
Pal Joey!!!
Great to hear from you.
I'm keeping a close eye on Goldie. She's also sprouting longer fins (veiltail-ish), which makes her a bit more delicate than the others. So far, so good. She's actually put on a lot of size since being moved into this tank. I've got a few options waiting in case she turns into a target. I think, however, that with this large group, she will probably be fine long term. Time will tell.
Best,
Dan
I’ve got 3 and the small one always picks on the older female one. Not sure if it’s a male or not but the female won’t do anything back
I got two that killed my Betta I had forever. I wish I seen this video earlier :(
Sorry to hear about the lost betta.
I tried removing the (Boss) from the tank
How would you catch an angelfish if you decided to move one . Would a net harm the fins
can we put shrimps together with angel fish?
I have 4 babies 2 grey ones and 2 black ones will they eventually get aggressive with each other? In a 20 gallon long but they where all born together but I will eventually upgrade to a 75 gallon tank or 120
i find that if u change your tank around thay will all find a new spot and quit picking for a wile
Yep, that's an oldie but goodie. Thanks for sharing.
can someone please help, my angelfish(2 gold, 2 zebra's,1 smokey,2 koi, 1 leapord) are sick, i think, there gills are sticking on there body all hiding (in a group) and they used to be friendly and come up to my hands and eat there food from me, now there getting spooked when im near and they rarely eat, please help i dont know what is wrong , if something is wrong , thanks
I have 2 angelfish in my 29 gal and the big one is being very aggressive
Hi Dan! Will you take my 3 angelfish? I like the smaller schooling fish, they calm me.
Ok so I have 2 angels in my 378lt, acclimated him now. My black bigger angel was constantly chasing and "pecking the white platinum but no damage. But anyway I think my tank is spacious enough. By the way the platinum is smaller but will keep a close eye. I have a 60lt community, if things get rough. Will seperate
Sounds good. With angelfish, having a "plan B" tank is always a good idea.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO IT HELPS
Tip,feeding them a little more can help out
My angel fish is bigger than all my others and he is being very mean and attacking my other ones any tips how to stop it?
Hello Kevin. I wish I had a magic bullet for you, but it is very common for a large fish to harass the smaller ones. If the tank is large enough, you could try adding more angels to spread the aggression, but separation is probably a more realistic option.
@@DansFish We have a 55 gallon tank and we have 4 other angels but they are littler. The mean one we got, we got with other one and we´ve had them for like 6 months but he goes after him CONSTANTLY and the littler ones he goes after him too.. The fish that the mean one came with, his fins are super frayed.. So we are thinking about getting a separater
What about 1 angel with several glofish tetras and 2 Dalmatian mollies? Would that be safe in a 29 gallon tank. (3 snails)
I heard not to do 2 angels Incase they pair up… then everything dies in the tank
I had 2males and 1 female. the 1 male attacked the other one often. he died very early. now I have a couple in harmony. the female lay eggs. 🐠
Interesting... I've never had more than 3 angels at a time and I've never had angels be so aggressive that they kill other angels. I've had angels murder and eat other smaller species and shrimp and snails. But never each other. I'm guessing part of it is I typically try keep my angels with other angels of a similar size and energy level. I generally also keep my angels with schooling tank mates, including neon tetra. Which probably makes it harder to single out one individual. I also select tank mates based on my angels' temperament. If I have more docile angels, I'll stick neons in there. If more aggressive, then I'm sticking with mollies and platties, green tiger barbs (in my experience way less nippy than regular tigers) and fish around that size.
Mike, thanks for sharing your ways!
I have one of my angelfish has been harassing my two mollies. One of my mollies has horribly ripped fins and a loss in color while the other seems fast enough to get away (but is still getting chased and nipped at). Please give advice!!!
My angle fish attack my anastirus what should ido
If there are no caves for the ancistrus to hide in, that would be a good place to start. Is the bushynose one of the long finned varieties? If it is not, and it is of a decent size, then I think it should be fine with an angelfish as long as it has plenty of caves.
@@DansFish I think I have plant y of hiding space , a lot of plants and woods but my anasitrus just like to stay on top on the filter and my angles keep coming and attack him like a frey first I thought it was oxygen but I put my oxygen bubble at max. . Tank size is 75 liter
I have a gallon or half-gallon tank 2 angels, 4 glofish. But my angelfish (male) made one of the glotetras half blind and have bladder issues. It kept on chasing all the other fishes and nick their tail/fins. I had to seperate the other glotetra. maybe I should change the tank?
Sorry to hear your angelfish is giving you trouble. If he doesn't stop, yes, it might be time to separate him or get a much larger tank so everyone has enough space for their territories.
I have a 36G tank with 5 tetra. Recently I added two angelfish and didn't realize that one is bigger than the other one. The bigger one seems very aggressive and chase all fishes in the tank. The smaller angelfish obviously became the target quickly and always hide at the top of the tank or under the wood with broken fin, and getting weaker and weaker everyday. Luckily she is still eating okay (not a lot, but at least still chasing foods) and so I decided to add a separator in the tank to isolate the bigger one. There are small spaces in the separator and so the tetra can still pass through it, but obviously the tetra mostly stay with the smaller angel. Now I hope I can buy some times for the smaller one to get stronger and hopefully I can remove the separator in one day. I'm not sure if it is a good approach or not. Any suggestions?
Wauw im surprices you dont have more likes. Nice video!
I was wondering when they do spawn and get agressive because of that. How long would that take? Weeks, months?
It depends on how the tank is set up. They can spawn pretty much anytime if they are mature adults. If you keep the temps in the mid 70's, they will spawn less frequently. Once they have selected a spawning site, they will immediately defend it against all comers.
I just got neon little blue tetras and my angle fish killed them all within 5 mins
Sorry to hear that
I bought two angelfish a week ago and now one of them is attacking his partner so much that the other one hiding amd running away from him. I think both of them are males buts it's actually hard to the tell the difference bcos their still quite young.Can somebody tell me what should i do?i just jailed the attacker in my net for now :P
I have added a plant to my angel fish tank and they have become aggressive could it be territorial thing?
My four Angel fish kill anything I put in my tank, I had a bunch of fish and the only thing left is the 4 Angel fish and one huge gold fish. that somehow survived (I have a 50 gal tank)
Yep. That's why I made this video. Shops tend to sell angelfish as peaceful community fish, but some of them have a dark side.
@@DansFish Yea they shouldn't be called Angel, they should be called Assassins! LOL
I have a beautiful adult female angelfish that I've raised from quarter size. She's laying eggs on a leaf in our heavily planted 29 gal. community tank as I type this comment. She's been laying eggs about every six weeks for several months and she is quite healthy with beautiful color. This is my first experience with an angelfish and I love her.
Now, to my question...
I'm not particularly interested in a breeding her, but I would like to add another angelfish to the tank. Is it possible to do that without aggression issues and if so, should I add a juvenile or a mature adult?
Hello Hornet1,
Thanks for telling me about your fish. She sounds great. IME, adding a new angelfish to a small tank with a firmly established angelfish in it can lead to problmes. If you really want to do it, you could add another adult and see how it goes. However, please have a soliid Plan B in place before hand in case it does not work out.
Also, from your profile pic, I'm guessing you are into bettas? If so, what kinds are you working with?
@@DansFish
After considering all the possible drawbacks, I've decided not to take a chance on adding another angel to my tank. The tank is so peaceful and healthy that I think it would be unwise to take the chance.
I breed dumbo halfmoon bettas (emphasis on whites and platinums).
@Dans Fish
I was interrupted before I thanked you for your excellent advice.
THANK YOU 😀
How many angels would you recommend for a 75 gallon tank?
Mine can't get their shit together :( I have 2 and they both swim freely and seem to get along fine but I'm noticing more and more of their fins getting shorter. :/ how do I make them knock it the hell off? They both seem to eat fine together and hang out fine. Will they eventually figure it out and cut it the fuck out??
I just got bigger tank put them in their so that’s what they must be doing that for territory purposes thx
Is 4 angle in 40 gallon okay ?
Probably, until they pair off and want to spawn. Each situation is a bit different, but I would have a plan B ready just in case.
Trying to decide what to add to my tank with mollies and heard angels can live with them and I've always wanted to have an angelfish in a planted community tank. Is one fine on its own with the mollies? Or will there be issues I should be aware of?
I have a pair that has spawned... they have the whole tank living in one side away from them. 🤣
Love your Angels! Platinum is my favorite and I have two with a black lace, a gold pearl, and a marble. Have them about a year and they are outgrowing the 40 gallon but no indication of pairing. Do I dare try putting two into a 30 gallon? At this time I don’t have room for a 55.
You could totally put a couple of them in a 30 gallon, however, it might be hard to add them back with the others if they don't pair off. If it has been a year, temps are 80-ish, and water conditions/food are good, and you have not seeing any pairing behavior, you may be in the edge of the statistical bell-curve and actually have 4 of the same sex. Hard to know for sure, but, usually I would expect so see some pairing action from a group by now if it contains mixed sexes. Please let us know what ends up happening!
Dans Fish , thankyou for your suggestions. So love the platinums that I’m trying to figure out how to add a 55 gallon. Lol
I hear ya! Too many fish, never enough tanks :)
I have 3 Angel fishes in my 30 gallon tank one is small and the other are medium sized Blackangel and Koiangel my problem is that the blackangel always chase koiangel and tries to nip her fins. I dont have any other tank to keep them separate.
I wish I had a magic solution for you, but 3 angels in that size tank can be tough. Perhaps finding another home for the one getting picked on is a good idea, especially if the other 2 have formed a pair.
I have a question. Awhile back I bought 1 blk. marble angelfish, a month later I got a platinum one & they have always stayed side by side. Now they are quite big & still tog , no breeding tubes, I often see them cleaning each other, no aggression or anything. Wondering if they would be 2 of the smae sex or a pair. There is just the 2 of them & a few platys which were in the tank first, sometimes they do chase the platys . Wondering what you think. Very informative video. Thnks
Howdy Cheryl,
Thanks for the query. It is hard to tell for sure as the sex on angelfish is never quite certain until they produce a fertile spawn. There could be 2 of the same sex or they could be a male and female and just haven't spawned yet. If you have had them a long time, they are full grown, and conditions/temps are optimal for spawning, then I would be quite surprised if they are indeed male and female, but you never know for sure until they spawn.
Best,
Dan
I have two angelfish one white, slightly bigger than my other marbel fish. White angel keep picking up on the marble. Her upper fin is half nipped and one lower tentacle. Cannot refuce temperature neither I can sperate them. I have 20 gal community tank with 4 guppies and 2 gold fish. Please help!!!!!. I do have a 4 gal tank as well with 5 tetras. Both the tanks cycled. Pleasr help in saving my fish.
If you can't lower temps and cannot separate them, it might be best to re-home one of them.
Mine hide in the corner and swims around never aggressive yet
Fingers crossed they stay peaceful!
Thank you for your video this was very informative. I have 4 Angel fish in a 29 or 30 gallon they are huge now.
They were medium size when when l bought them. Right now my fish are poking each other and then
3 of them are poking at one particular Angel fish. I don’t understand it so l bought a 55 gallon tank
I hope this will help. I don’t have a heater which l will purchase and l will keep track of the temperature.
If this does not work l will separate the fish that is being poked at into another tank.
Did everything work out? I hope the "poked on" fish is doing okay.
Dans Fish Well unfortunately l have bad news! While l was preparing to change tanks all 4 of my Angel fish died.
What happened was l took my fish out of my old tank, and separated them into 2 smaller tanks while l was
Adding water and plants to the new tank. They were breathing heavy and swimming rapid. I did not understand what happened.
I got help on RUclips on how to transport fish. I discovered that l should of added some of the old water to the
2 temporally tanks that l had them in and also test the water and temperature. Anyway l got the bigger tank running
and l bought more Angel fish. I have learned now what l must do to make sure everything runs smoothly.
Thank you for replying. 🥰
Use seachem prime water conditioner .
I added 3 more koi ángel and the old ones don’t pay attention to them.
Nice! I'm glad it worked out for you.
great video - question for you - we have 4 in a 55G tank and one of them (koi angel) is being picked on by a bully angel fish - it has stopped eating too (probably stressed). what do you recommend we do - we have no other tanks?
donate or divider, already became the dominant fish can’t change that
I have 7 angels and most have paired up they all lay so I've had to separate the 3 pairs in 3 different tanks as they all fight so much! What if I separate males from females would that fix the aggression ? And have one male tank and one female tank?
This is an important question?!
I bought 3 angels who all grew up healthy and now about 6” top to bottom fins. Two paired up and I had to remove the left out fish. He was really sad! The pair has had several eggs but none hatched so far.
The single angel went into a 30 gallon.
I bought him a buddy. After quarantine the new angel he/she joined my single angel. They get along. 3 days after meeting I get eggs. I was shocked at how fast they “ fell in love”!
I’m concerned the 30 gallon is too small but I already have 6 tanks...5 more than I wanted.
Back to the original pair in the 55 gallon...they are the problem now. They spawned again and now the male I’m guessing is after the female like to kill it. It’s hiding and got a nip in it’s side.what happened to the duo? What do I do now?
Howdy Karen,
Thanks for sharing your experience with the angels. Sounds like quite the soap opera in those tanks!
I'm not sure why the male turned on the female. It might help to move him out and let her recover. It also helps if there are lots of plants or other things in the aquarium to break up their line of sight so she can retreat from the male if she needs to. Lowering the temperature to the mid-70s helps me calm them down when they get aggressive. Dither fish may also help. Fingers crossed for you!!!
How many angelfish can you have in a 29 gallon fish tank? I have one established angelfish in there I also have three Candy cane tetras, two silver tipped tetras, one Cherry barb, three Amano Shrimp, and one Bristlenose Pleco. I always had bad luck with bringing in other Angelfish in an already established tank. I have my aquarium temperature at 81 F any lower and the fish seem sluggish. Thank you.
Andrea, if you already have an established angel in the tank, it might not work to add more, especially if it is an adult male. 29 is not that big for a bunch of adult angels.
@@DansFish Thank you I plan to just add a couple more Candy cane tetras and two more silver tipped tetras and that's it. No more angelfish for me except the one I have.