Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country - A Perfect Sendoff For The Original Crew
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2023
- In 1989, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier disappointed the box office. Reeling from bad reviews, the film only grossed $49 million domestically from a $33 million budget. That's a worrying figure for a franchise considering that the previous movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, had made a huge $133 million. It likely eventually eked out a profit, but it did badly enough that the studio was looking to reboot the series without any of the original stars by making a Starlet Academy movie. Harve Bennett, the producer of all the films since Star Trek II, thought this would be the way to continue the crew's big-screen adventures, but Paramount thought differently. With Star Trek: The Next Generation picking up momentum on TV, it became clear that Captain Picard and company would eventually move to the big screen, but, given that the franchise's 25th anniversary was right around the corner, the time had come to give the original crew the major big-screen send-off that they deserved - Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country.
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Star Trek 6 will likely remain my favorite in the series. The script, the chemistry, the pacing, and the effects Ll work so well together.
I respect your opinion and I do like this film but my favorite is the director's cut of the Motion Picture.
@@trhansen3244 isn't that the one with NOMAD?
@@trhansen3244You both tripping - The Motion Picture & TUC VI don't come close to Wrath Of Khan or even Voyage Home - logic will tell you (and Matt) The Undiscovered Country just doesn't stack up against the greats. What are y'all thinking?
@@mikejohnson3338 I am not tripping at all. I love Wrath of Khan almost as much at TMPDC. But Voyage Home has never worked for me. I do enjoy some of the comedic moments, few and far between.
I can see that, but I still prefer wrath of khan, but I do prefer this film over voyage home
No one ever mentions the signatures. Kirk's last line is nice, but it was those written names that made me burst into tears the first time I saw this. They were so _final._ It was like knowing I would never see a beloved relative again.
Yes, The signatures, the final captains log and the "riding into the sunset". What a appropriate good bye :') While also still raising hope for a better future.
As did I. And I'm NOT one for outward show of emotions particularly in a packed theatre but boy, as you said, it felt so final.
Exactly. Almost makes you wonder where they got the idea for the Avengers:End Game credits "sign off"...
An actual legit sendoff, with a lot of heart, and a ton of meaning. Couldn’t ask for a better ending.
I loved how the cast signed off at the end, real class.
Yes!
And it should have just remained like this.
Somehow, when ever I re-watch the movies, I either stop right there or manage to skip Generations.
The end scene and end credits of Undiscovered Country are such an epic finale for the TOS crew, ‚sailing‘ into the sunset, wonderfully orchestrated - rather than Kirk eventually meeting his death under some boulders.
@@Blechfuchs but he saved the universe and made a difference. :)
Always loved this one, first one I saw in cinema. The Praxis explosion and wave at the very beginning is now a legendary CGI effect, it even got used for the Death Star in the Star Wars Special Editions. The final battle at the end is also fantastic, it really showed how far Star Trek came in twenty five years.
The script was also quite good, with every line by David Warner and Christopher Plummer sounding great. "The game's afoot, eh?" "Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war" and dying with "To be, or not to be..." Spock even says: "Mr Scott, start your engines" Kirk's lines "Shoot him, he's the one," "Not me, you idiot, HIM!" are also funny. As a Star Trek fan it's hard not to fist pump at the line "Target that explosion and fire", even better that Sulu got to say it.
I always chuckle at the Scooby-Doo ending when the Klingon's mask is pulled off to reveal the human conspirator underneath.
Curious thing, in some releases of the film that ending scene where the mask is removed is missing (likewise the line, "This is not Klingon blood." is absent). Grud knows why this was cut for some versions.
I was fortunate to see this in the theaters such a GREAT experience! People were actually cheering at scenes from start to finish.
And the end credits signatures are a very powerful way for the cast to sign off.
Marvel must have agreed. They stole that for Endgame
Khan => simmering rage,
Chang => full-blown bonkers.
BOTH EXCELLENT.
These are gold. Such in depth analysis and behind the scenes information.
Can't wait to watch this. Love Undiscovered Country - and always enjoy your perspectives
and channel!
Thanks so much
Probably my favourite of the TOS movies. Great story. It's also got a excellent Dolby surround soundtrack which will give your home cinema setup a really good workout
It's not just a great Star Trek movie, it's a great movie PERIOD. Christopher Plummer just chewing the scenery like it was industrial grade ham was a joy to watch. If I remember correctly, Shatner was his understudy at one point.
Yes, for Henry V at the Shakespeare Festival in Stratford Ontario.
Definitely one of the BEST Star Trek movies. It also looks drastically different as it is the only one of all 10 Movies that was shot on Super 35 instead of Anamorphic Panavision Scope. This is also why the movie looks different on VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, blu-ray and UHD. The VHS and DVD were both slightly opened while the Laserdisc, Blu-ray and UHD were matted to their Theatrical Aspect ratio, to match the other movies. It is also the only Star Trek movie (after Star Trek III) where we see Kirk actually somewhat mourning the death of his Son. Something that really never was covered all that much at all. It was also a sweet good bye to Merritt Butrick who had died 2 years earlier).
He was lovely. I remember when I saw him on TNG thinking, "Oh no, has the Star Trek curse hit this guy, too?"
U mean all _13_ ?
@@bonghunezhou5051 The reboot Treks are a series on their own.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 6 + 4 (TNG) + 3 (Kelvin timeline) 🎥
I remember it was my senior year of high school, me and my friends had dinner at Pizza Hut (my first and only time there) then went to see Star Trek 6 in the theater on opening night. Having grown up on the movies and knowing that this was the last one with the original crew, we were all feeling rather bittersweet about the evening. Especially with our own graduation just around the corner. Thankfully, the film did not disappoint! I recall, quite vividly, my friend Joe and I leaving the theater where a long line of people stood, waiting anxiously for the next showing. I turned to Joe and said rather loudly for all to hear, "I can't believe they killed Scotty!"
Joe couldn't control his laughter as I was attacked by an entire lobby full of angry patrons who accused me of "ruining the movie" for them!
Good times.
Would've been fun to watch the movie and see how many people were confused by Scotty making it through alive.
My favorite of the TOS movies. The score was fantastic, General Chang is and awesome villain, and the the great bridge between the OTS and the Next Generation
How come Chang was blessed with such a human sized and shaped head. All the other Klingons have massive foreheads. What's that all about?
@@trhansen3244Probably because of the genetic experiments performed in the Enterprise episodes Affliction and Divergence.
So glad they did the film series with the original crew,this 6th film was a good send off for them. Live Long and Prosper
This is definitely my favorite, with the original "Motion Picture" coming in second. "Wrath of Khan" and "The Voyage Home" were great and brought back the feelings of the original show but were safe bets. "The Undiscovered Country" gave me everything I wanted from this IP with a send-off that can't be beaten.
I saw this in the theatre, my first star trek film I'd seen on the big screen. It blew me away at the time and it's still a film I watch regularly.
During the confrontation between Kirk and Spock after the initial opening council meeting, did you spot who was standing at the back behind Kirk, hearing his words? I never noticed at the cinema, didn't see it on my special edition VHS either. Only finally spotted the figure in the DVD release and realised who it was; such an awesome realisation (I guess at the cinema I was too focused on Kirk's face).
Likewise, during the scene where Kirk confides to his Log how he cannot forgive the Klingons for the death of his son, as the camera pans to follow his paces, notice who walks past his quarters door at the same time. :) I love these bits, they tie in perfectly with what happens later.
This is a movie that anytime I stumbled upon it while flipping through channels I’d always stop and finish it. One of my favorites.
First Star Trek movie I saw in theaters. My dad took me. I was 6 at the time, so all the allegories to the Cold War went over my head. I just remember being in awe that a Klingon ship could fire while cloaked and the Excelsior was a fat ship
The Undiscovered Country is top-tier Trek, hands down, and is my 2nd favorite Original Cast film, behind The Wrath of Khan. The ONLY reason it's #2, is that frustratingly, the space battle in the 3rd act lacks ship vs. ship phaser fire! TWOK had it all, and it was a letdown that with ILM's breathtaking visual effects, we didn't get any. Sigh... what could have been.
Probably a result of the smaller budget. If anything they did a good job focusing on less that looked really good rather than a lot that might have looked mediocre.
I was expecting General Chang to break out in song: "Enterprise, Enterprise....you're not happy to meet me.... " 😄
I was trying to work out a SOM joke - glad someone did!
@@RJSRdg somewhere in your youth or childhood you must have done something good. 😁
I enjoyed all the Old Star Trek movies 🖖
After Wrath of Khan this is easily the 2nd best. Still remember the moment when the cast signed off at the end and a tear filled my eye.
I remember watching in the theaters... sweet memories.
In real life, we would be friends.
Absolutely loving this series and your perspectives.
My second favorite film of the og timeline. Right behind wrath of khan, and just above first contact, and voyage home
Scotty, "just BOUGHT a boat" um, huh, excuse me?! 🤔🙄 There's no money 🤑
I was surprised you didn't mention an aspect of the film that deserves more credit, namely, the early clues provided to the viewer to solve the murder mystery if one can spot them (though I didn't notice them until I finally had the film on DVD, as I failed to notice them at the cinema or on my VHS special edition):
1. During the confrontation between Kirk and Spock after the initial opening council meeting, look who is standing at the back behind Kirk in the shadows, hearing his words. She vanishes during the scene.
2. Likewise, during the scene where Kirk confides to his Log how he cannot forgive the Klingons for the death of his son, as the camera pans to follow his paces, notice who walks past his quarters door at the same time, again hearing his words. She references both sets of comments later.
A couple of trivia points: at the end of the film when the Klingon's mask is removed to reveal a human assassin (after the line, "This is not Klingon blood."), in some cuts of the film this scene was removed. Does anyone know why this was done? Such an odd change to make. Also, in the novelisation of the film, Valeris does not block Spock's mindmeld, at least not in the manner implied in the film.
I'd be intrigued to know if any Russian govt people saw this film at the time and, if so, what they thought of it, given its obvious allegorical tone.
I remember at the cinema the absolute awe of the audience during the opening Praxis explosion sequence. I think the quality sound setup in the theatre helped too.
One time I went to see an all-day screening of the first six films (some buildup publicity for Generations IIRC). Sitting near me was a man with his young son, who was perhaps 9 or 10 and (I learned during the half-way break) hadn't seen any of the films before. By day's end the kid was on an absolute high, he looked so very happy, and no wonder with such an awesome final film as Undiscovered Country is.
Lastly, re that VHS box set you mentioned, it wasn't released where I am in the UK, but during a visit to NYC in 2000 I spotted it in a store and just had to buy it (crazy cheap aswell compared to typical UK pricing), even though, being NTSC, I had no way of playing the tapes on my PAL VCR back home. Despite obtaining a multi-format VCR some years later, I've still never opened the wrapping, I prefer it as a Trek ornament and a memory of an awesome holiday. :D
Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country are my two faves.
This movie is epic ! I watched 6 times at the theatre.
“We need breathing room.” “Earth, Hitler, 1938.” Holy shit, can’t believe I missed that line and what he was insinuating even years after seeing it in my youth.
Wait until you learn that the Austrian Painter’s favorite childhood author was Karl May, a German who wrote about the American Wild West and Manifest Destiny. The angry man with the mustache thought he was doing to the Slavs nothing worse than what Americans had done to the Indians for “breathing room”.
I've always had a soft spot for this one. Saw it at a drive in theater with my family when i was 11, and it really was a great sendoff for the original crew. The end scene still gets me choked up.
"Second star to the right, and straight on til morning."
I saw this with my dad in the movies and didn’t really know anything about it mostly. I had seen part 4 a few times though. Then I binged all the Star Wars movies and I got to 6 and I recognized some moments and was like oh I remember this.
Don't you mean Star Trek movies?
@@marinakaye8284 Yes yes I did
That arthritis joke during the trial still gets me every time haha
"And, a singular wit... doctor."
Best send-off this cast could have gotten, I think. I love this movie.
Back in the day when movies didn't cost 300 mill to make
Star Trek 6 holds up shockingly well today!!
A 6th film in a series in 1991 actually being good, that’s unheard of.
Superman couldn’t make it to 3 good movies, look at Planet of the Apes too.
But Star Trek did great!
It was the one thing that I wanted to see before I got shipped off the day before to basic training. Good memories.
All the even numbered TOS movies were the best of the lot though 3 deserves a good honorable mention.
This is my favourite of TOS cast. So much is memorable (including Kim Cattrall). If this is ever on TV, I watch it
First Star Trek movie I watched in cinema. I'm glad that over 30 years later I can honestly say it was one of the best.
Considering Star Trek V very nearly killed the entire franchise, the Undiscovered Country was a great bounce back.
Star Trek 6 is still my favorite of the original cast . It had a great script and was a great send-off for the cast .
Make it so Sulu!
It's always a toss-up between IV and Wrath of Khan for me. Both are fantastic films.
I've got both Star Trek 5 and 6 on DVD and I think they are both great movies. The perfect finale to the Original Crew era.
DID YOU KNOW? William Shatner was Christopher Plummer's understudy when they were young stage actors in the 1950s in Stratford, Ontario.
I saw this in the theater opening day.
I saw Steve Shives do this very same topic just a few days before this one! What a coincidence!
One of my favorite quotes:
“Don’t wait for the translation, ANSWER ME NOW!!”
Great movie. The cast is on top form in this one. A lot of fun moments with each character and the mystery on the ship is great.
The Undiscovered Country is by far, the most underrated Trek film in the entire franchise. It took the theme of 80s & 90s political thrillers and set it in space. It's a damn good movie that for some reason isn't talked about enough.
Trek fans tend to remember, say, Wrath of Khan and Final Frontier - for diametrically opposite reasons, but this entry is OVERLOOKED (similar to Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Forever).
Underrated? By the number of comments in this video alone. TUC is far from underrated!
@@sureshmukhi2316 lol comments on one RUclips video doesn't equate to love from fans or presence on movie lists. It's underrated because when fans talk about the original movies (I-VI ) or the whole movies in the franchise (I-X and Trek '09, Into Darkness, Beyond), The Wrath of Khan or The Voyage Home often top the lists, followed by First Contact.
The Undiscovered Country is most often not mentioned for 'Best Movies in the Franchise' when it should easily top the lists among TWOK, TVH and FC. No question.
@@andrewsearles i don't know which lists you look at but if you search here within youtube you will find many reviews or Star Trek lists that put TUC in at least the top 4 movies.
Only one of the TOS movies I got to see in theatres, and if my Dad had had his way, we'd have seen it the day it came out, but tix were sold out (Dad was MAD), so we went and saw it the next day. Even at 10 years old (I was born on the 15th anniversary, so going to see ST6 was Dad's bday present for me, hence why he got mad), I could see the clear comparison between the plot and the Cold War.
I also got to see this with my dad the week it came out. I was probably more of a trekkie than he was.
I really liked this film, and i was really lucky to snag a steelbox when HMV was closing down, and it's probably one of the best finds i got from there, such an underrated gem!
I loved Star Trek 6. I didn't know it was the last and now I can't see it without a deep sadness.
05:50 was Kirstie Alley to reprise the role of Saavik in ST6 or was it Robin Curtis who was to return to the role after last being seen as Saavik in ST4?
There was a lot of sets borrowed and redressed from the TNG stage to save money. The transporter room, the engine room, Ten Forward... But it worked!
You had only thing I really liked about Star Trek 5 was when Captain Kirk ask what would a god need with a Starship.
Christian Slater’s mom was the casting Director for this movie, which explains his cameo
A TRUE Classic!
2 4 6 possibly 8? Who do we appreciate ( everyone shout ) STAR TREK
Oh and dude please please please never stop ♥️.
Sisko's daddy?!? 😢😅
6 was awesome. Really enjoyed it.
The movie feels very conscious of its place in the Star Trek franchise. The story is about Kirk and his crew recognizing that it’s time for them to step aside, in much the same way the TOS cast acknowledge they need to make way for the TNG cast. Kirk asks “how can history get past people like me?” Spock asks “have we outlived our usefulness?” It’s as if Shatner and Nimoy broke the 4th wall.
And while The Cold War allegory worked well at the time, Nick Meyer himself has said the film hasn’t aged well. Kirk’s words to the Klingon chancellor are meant to give us hope about what life will be like post-Cold War. In reality, we got 9/11, the Iraq War, and the rise of authoritarianism.
But as Star Trek movies go, it was a fun adventure that dealt with interesting ideas and gave the characters a satisfying ending.
Star Trek 6 is the third best Star Trek film in my opinion and a great send off for the TOS.
I'd put it in second place in a photofinish with Frakes' "First Contact". I assume we are agreed that nobody's topping "Khan".
I'm uninterested in the whales.
Kirk changes "no man" to " no one" and the hacks over at Strange New worlds are like, "Nah, Pike did it first."
This movie has strong Cold War elements, which interestingly enough, is that it was released the same year the Cold War had ended.
Yes, that was the point. It was supposed to be an allegory to the cold war.
It was a really good send off. God bless you Star Trek.
Christian Slater was fortunate that his mum - Mary Jo Slater - was casting director for this 🎥 (and was willing to let him make a cameo in that scene).
Ehh I dunno, Slater was at his height in those days. Heathers, Young Guns II. . .
It was a nice nod to our generation, that Slater was in this.
You can really see the influence of TNG on this movie. Lots of technobabble that isn't really present in TOS
5:49 Kristie Alley didn't return in Star Trek 3 and was replaced by Robin Curtis in Star Trek 3 & 4, but they still wanted Kristie back in Star Trek 6?
Not only was her version of the character the more popular of the two but by the late 80's she was a hot commodity. It would be understandable they would want her to be back.
@@patfer1189 Meyer (pronounced MI-yer) directed Alley in II, thus he would want her to return, her star status or not.
I prefer Curtis’ version
@@redhillstudios1701-F As do I!
It's was a great sendoff for The Original Crew.
We can hear your bird chirping starting @3:42
Khan is still the best Star Trek movie for me, but this one is up there. Nicholas Meyer understood Trek so well so his scripts and direction worked so well. The chemistry between the actors (established and guest stars) upped their game because this was such a good and worthy story. Christopher Plummer is loving every moment with his character. Awesome send off for the original cast. Loved it when I saw it at the cinema at the time and still love it now.
My favorite movie in the franchise
Good 10-minute overview! Undiscovered Country is still my overall favorite Trek film. Please research though how the names are pronounced. It’s Harve Bennett, not Harvey; and Nicholas "Myer", not "Mayor" 😀
TRIVIA: Like Star Trek: The Motion Picture, The Undiscovered Country was given the G rating in New Zealand (Suitable for General Audiences) despite it's violence.
It's crazy to think some of us saw these movies in a theater. In 20 yrs that'll be an anomaly in JoBlo videos.
Please do this for the rest of the movie
I think I never watched this one, probably should put it on my watchlist.
Who doesn't love The Planets? But really, that would be the problem with using that as the score. It's hard to believe that would ever be seriously considered. It would just be too distracting.
- #5 (barely) cleared the $50M mark back in 1989 which, adjusted for inflation, managed to surpass the even more maligned #10 (2002).
- Shatner ought to have resisted his own ego to be the centre of acting stage and not appear in Generations; as it stands, the apearance by Shatner, Koenig, and Doohan (the latter 2 would assuredly not have appeared had Bill refused) in #7 arguably diluted the emotional impact of this 'farewell' 🎥!
I always regard VI as the "Farewell" and Generations as the "Encore"
While i do enjoy the movie, theres a part of me that wishes it wouldve been as epic and glorious as Wrath of Khan. That movie truly was lightning in a bottle. It his all the right notes as to what Star Trek means to me.
Star Trek 6 The Undiscoverd Country was the perfect sendoff for Star Trek Original Crew.
I can't help but wonder, in light of Picard Season 3, if the "second star to the right, and straight on 'till morning" turned out to be the Starfleet Museum, given the finality of Kirk's log entry, or if they were able to squeeze in another adventure or two before then. I guess that's where Beta Canon literature comes in. 🤔
Make it So! Number One!! 🖖🖖😎🖖🖖🍁
It’s Harve Bennett, not Harvey. And it’s Nicholas Meyer, not Mayor.
The Harve Bennett thing has been annoying me too 👍
You haven't seen Star Trek 6 until you've experienced it in its original Klingon.
There is no money in the future... what do you mean you bought a boat!!!😊
The Klingons were an allegory for the Soviet Union. Coincidentally, this film was released in the 1991 Christmas season, and the Soviet Union dissolved on Christmas Day that year.
It is a good film
best Trek movie imho. Wrath of Khan was a great swashbuckling adventure, but Undiscovered Country is far more in the spirit of what Trek is all about
Reading the comments, I realize I’m not the only one who likes this movie over the rest of them.
It's great they made this movie, think remember reading the bones actor DeForest Kelley passed away not long after the movie was finished
De Kelly passed in 1998 (quite a few years after release of this film) ~
@@bonghunezhou5051 he definitely had some health problems and couldn't be in movies after 6.
Apparently he wanted to do generations in 93 with Kirk and Spock but couldn't
@@carlredbird3054 Kelly later stated that he was on same wavelength with Nimoy, namely that the cameo appearances were pointless (De kinda hid behind the health issue).
@@carlredbird3054 According to Leonard Nimoy's autobiography "I am Spock", Leonard discussed with DFK whether he should appear in Generations, and DFK said "VI was my farewell" - I think because he wanted to go out on a high. Nimoy looked at the script for Generations, saw he was really just there as a cameo role (all his lines were transferred to Scotty without amendment!) and decided VI would be his farewell as well (at least until 2009....)
Star Trek 6. Is my favorite movie with the original cast with Star Trek 2 being my second and Star Trek 4. My third.
I like Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country
Wait... What did Scottie buy a boat with? Did he barter?
The film was screened for Gene Roddenberry before he died.
Valeris should've been Saavik in VI. If Kirstie wouldn't do it just bring back Robin Curtis. Saavik being a traitor would've had more impact (but certainly not as much as Brock Peters character being one!! I never saw that coming!)
Robin Curtis never got a fair shake in Star Trek. She's just sort of there and III, and barely has 10 seconds in IV. Using Saavik in place of Valeris would have really given her a chance to do something with the character.
I believe that if Lt Saavik was the traitor, it would have caused to much fan outrage so they went with Valeris instead. I remember reading that somewhere and I tend to agree.
It was a great sendoff, and thankfully, nobody in the original cast ever did another Star Trek movie or TV show. Ever.
Kirk, Scott, and Chekov appeared in Generations.