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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - The Best Star Trek Movie Revisited
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In 1979, Paramount’s Star Trek: The Motion Picture hit theatres, to a rather mixed reception from critics and audiences. While many predicted the film would be a big money loser due to the fact that the budget had gone dramatically over-budget, making it one of the most expensive films ever made up to the point, in the end the film eked out a profit. It did well enough that Paramount was willing to take another chance on the franchise, but their approach would be quite different, drastically slashing the budget and hiring fewer A-listers behind the camera. But, to the surprise of all, this proved to be exactly the right move, with the resulting film, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, a smash-hit that relaunched the franchise as a legitimate big screen property and introduced the adventures of Kirk, Spock and McCoy to a whole new generation. We dig into the greatest Star Trek movie of all in this episode of Revisited.
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Maybe the best death scene in movie history-and certainly, no doubt, the best “Trek” film ever. Spock’s death and farewell to Kirk is still amazing and emotional more than forty years later.
Did you see the death scene of Hans Gruber in Die Hard? Voted 'Best Death Scene' 14 years in a row, ever since they started polling.
@@trhansen3244 meh, he had it coming
Definitely had my eyes watering up
Yeah , it pulls you (me , anyway ) right back into the classic interpersonal dynamic that MADE ST for _me_ .
Spock’s death is one of the most iconic
I still can't watch that scene without being brought to tears. The part the gets me is when Spock enters the chamber and Scotty yells "NO SPOCK DON'T!" Destroys me every time.
The way Kirk stutters at his eulogy...brilliant acting.
Wrath of Kahn is what got me into Trek. (I am 53) I watched the first one, But I just could not get into it. (I love it now) Ricardo Montalbán stole the show in that movie. All that was missing was him saying that the Captain's chair was made from rich corinthian leather. lol And Spock's death scene. Gets me tear eyed. Every single time!
I cant even watch the first movie..uhhhh
I'd _forgotten_ the car-commercial reference . How funny ! - _THANKS !!_
This was actually one of those instances where the sequel is better than the original. It also reinvigorated Star Trek for a New Generation.
If it weren't for The Wrath of Khan, I would have not become a star trek fan. Looking back, Star Trek the (slow)Motion Picture is enjoyable as a super long season 2 TOS episode, but TWoK is a real movie. The best part is it requires very little investment from the audience to know who, what, and when things are happening. Truely the definition of a great movie, and not just a great Star Trek movie.
you could say a 'next generation'...
@@Dis-Emboweled Yes I like it more than most of the other Trek movies, (not a Die Hard Trekkie myself). Plus it bears my Surname which is also Khan
Did you actually see the thing?
@@Dis-Emboweled TMP is better.
James Horner’s score is an absolute masterpiece.
Definitely
The single greatest movie score of all time, if you ask me. I can think of nothing that tops it. 🖖😀
Walter Koenig has stated that Khan remembered him because Chekov kept him waiting to use a toilet on the Enterprise during Space Seed and when Chekov finally exits Khan is there and tells him he always remembers a face :D
Ok , Timeline re-established , Head-Canon SET - _ENGAGE_ !!
You gotta appreciate Nicholas Meyer for saving the Star Trek movie series twice. Khan is one of my favorite movies.
I love Wrath of Khan but I have grown to appreciate STTMP Director's Cut a little more because I feel it is more diverse and inclusive than Khan.
Just wish someone would have told him (Walter Koenig) that he wasn’t in the original episode. That’s probably the most unforgiving continuity error in cinema history.
At conventions Koenig and Montalban would say it was because Chekov was in the bathroom with the flu when all this went down.
@@Sarbury12 yeah I even told that joke as a kid. Still somebody should have told Meyer it was a mistake.
@@trhansen3244 🤔 TMP (1979) < W of K < TMP: DE (2001) ?
I saw this recently at a 40th anniversary showing in the theater. I remember seeing it in 1982 at 12 years old and have seen it since then more times that I can count. Going to a modern theater in 2022 I was a little worried about how it would hold up on the big screen.
I shouldn’t have been worried.
Seeing this again forty years later on the large screen was a real event. The effects definitely hold up, the performances draw you in and the score sends chill down your spine and raises your spirit.
Spock’s death scene, seen forty years after my first time seeing, impacted me and I am not ashamed to say brought a tear to my eye. The giant screen upon which this scene played out with Horner’s score enhancing was simply amazing.
I'd LOVE to see this again in a Theater !!
That wasn't FAIR to Kirk to say he "abandoned his son" to pursue his career. He did what SHE WANTED. She want David to explore the INNER mysteries of existence, rather than running around the galaxy. It's clearly stated in the movie. I would have loved to have a dad like that. My Dad would have loved commanding a starship! ❤ RIP Dad.
He didn't seem to have seen him for decades. That's abandoning.
I think it was pretty clear when Kirk said "I did what you wanted, I stayed away" was him excusing himself. They didn't seem to have an antagonistic relationship, the kind where she might have made it impossible for him to see his son. It kind of looks like he didn't need a whole lot of convincing to stay away.
You are right. Kirk didn't abandon him. He only did what was asked of him.
And, we don’t know if Kirk saw David from afar, provided financial support, etc.
@@RictusHolloweye - I _think_ they had him deliver that line that way as part of the bundle of regrets he carried . We all make choices , and it felt to _me_ that this was one he regretted , trying to excuse it out loud the way he had inside , his whole life . At least THAT'S the feel _I_ got from it . Just how it hit _me_ is all , but it works , so ... .
Definitely one of the best sequels of all time. You could practically feel Khan thirst for revenge. I remember watching this movie at the movie theaters when it first came out and when Spock died you heard all the women crying in the movie theater.
Not only women 😉
Montalban rocked the blonde mullet.
@@ferociousgumby - Gotta _admit_ - he DID pull that mullet _off_ with STYLE !
Also, Kirstie Alley is great in this movie. My wife is still blown away that Alley was in Star Trek anytime we watch Wrath of Khan.
I just watched 2 and 3... And still chuckle that John Larroquette is a semi random Klingon in 3.
@@CG-vn8iy He was good in the part
@@jonnyq680 sure, but he only had a couple lines...
As a long time Treki, stared watching the 1960's Star Trek TV show in the early 1970's while, I was still in Middle School. This movie "The Wrath of Khan" is, just the best ever Start Trek movie with the original cast ... period. (smile...smile).
Can't argue 👍!
Love the music by the late James Horner, whom wanted to do a swashbuckling space adventure.
Jerry Goldsmith was contacted to compose the score but was too busy working on POLTERGEIST, RAMBO: First Blood, and The Secret of NIHM.
Parts of Horner's score, namely the track titled Surprise Attack, had some cues taken from WOLFEN and would be used in STAR TREK 3 for the Klingons and ALIENS, namely the track Futile Escape.
One of the best sequels of any film franchise in my opinion. I enjoy the backstory behind the making of ST2 because of how unfamiliar Nicholas Meyer was with the franchise and how much Harve Bennett disliked the first film. It really felt like Paramount took a serious approach and the limited budget really helped with the tense story, which I always see as the sequel to Space Seed, which I often revisit because of this film. Ricardo Montalban was a fantastic actor and his portrayal of Khan is amazing. I enjoy how Ricardo admitted that after doing 7 Seasons of Fantasy Island, it was hard for him to switch to the Khan character of vengeance.
Nicholas Meyer is a very underrated writer and director. I love his sense of humour in his interviews and he really was an inspired choice to helm a Star Trek sequel, later going on to co-write ST4 (Which felt a lot like his earlier Time After Time film) and direct/co-write ST6.
The music was also a definite highlight of ST2 by the late James Horner. I have revisited a lot of his earlier career scores, especially with 'Battle Beyond The Stars' and 'Krull' and you can definitely tell the similarities that he put into ST2 and ST3. I enjoy his many motifs and the adventurous themes that he put into the films.
Thanks for this revisit into a well made and very well liked film. 👍
You should probably have pointed out that TMP's budget also had all the failed Phase 2 stuff put into it as well as having to build all the sets and models. Harve Bennet was able to reuse shots and models to help save on budget like any good TV producer.
Why does Kirk sound so mad during that "KHAN! 😡" scene, knowing he still has a plan in action? It's like Kirk channeled William Shatner. 🤣
Mind games with Khan.
In my personal Top Ten of all time. A perfect movie from start to finish
The JJ Abrams movies were mostly about action and battles and very little about depth. The characters more often bickered like children rather than acted like adult starfleet officers.
Benedict Cummerbund was ruthless as Khan Noonien Singh, but I never got the feeling of Menace and Animal Power that Ricardo Montalban so effortlessly projected in his scenes. He DEVOURED the scenery.;)
Exactly. Very superficial reading of the characters. Those films are quite terrible and forgettable imo; even the presence of Leonard Nimoy could not redeem the first Abrams movie.
AND there was little to NO _real_ attention paid to the love between the characters , certainly the big 3 Kirk , Spock and McCoy , but with Scotty , Uhura , Checkov and Sulu , too . The ensemble WORKED , and the _magic_ came from the LOVE for each other they built into the interpersonal dynamic developed in the TOS Series .
Time After Time is one of my favorite movies! ❤ Meyers' work is excellent!
Time After Time is without a doubt my favourite time travel movie.
Im a huge Trekie and TWOK is 110% my most re-watched movie. ALL HAIL Nicholas Meyer!!!!!!
No mention of Kirstie Alley? She was absolutely delightful in this. ❤
She was over-rated, certainly by her agent, who allegedly demanded a fee for Search/Spock that was much higher than the studio was willing to pay.
At a convention James Doohan said Kirstie was certainly the better looking Saavik. Robin Curtis was serviceable but it’s always jarring to replace a main character with a different actor and Robin was kind of wooden as Saavik playing it more like a straight Vulcan than the Romulan we got in WoK.
Yeah , I was actually _disappointed_ when sitting in the theater for the original showing of ST-II I saw that they had replaced her . As pretty as she was , and she WAS , she really _MADE_ that character !
@@decadentdave - EXACTLY _my_ take , too 👍.
Easily one of my favorite films; supremely entertaining. I think I could recite the entire movie! The acting is just so juicy, lol.
The entire movie? Ok, recite the dialogue at 54:19.
I've always known that Preston's character is Scotty's nephew. I saw it in the theater. I'm always furious watching these other versions where they don't mention this. He was his sister's kid!
I remember Preston as "Tony" from Escape From Witch Mountain. That's such a great movie and I loved seeing the guy again in this movie.
It's in the novelization, which is always based on the script, not the release cut. Preston is also being tutored by Saavik, which is why she gasps when Scotty brings him to the bridge (instead of sickbay for some reason). I grew up in the sticks so I read the novel twice before the movie got to our theater. I remember specifically being disappointed that Preston's relationship wasn't mentioned.
HELL YEAH, Its the best in the series!
It's a sequel to the Star Trek episode, Space Seed, where Khan and his cohorts escape Earth in 1996 and wake up 300 year later.
I served during the Eugenics Wars. It was a bad time for everyone. Always wondered where Khan and the rest of his genetic superfreaks escaped too.
Oh, wait, that was the First Gulf War, and we found Saddam Hussein hiding in hole. Eh, close enough.
As a kid who grew up on ST syndicated reruns in the 70s, and who saw Wrath of Khan in theaters as a 16 year old, yes I can confirm this is the best ST film ever. Montalban was phenomenal in this one.
Let’s not forget the epic soundtrack that James Horner created for this movie.
No _kidding_ !
Revenge is a dish best served cold. And it is very cold in SPAAAAACE
A great film, with very good visual effects, nice pace and an excellent villain! Khaaaaan!
STII was the best because of the writing. One can make a great movie on a low budget with great writing.
A *TRUTH* _so_ OVERLOOKED in all "Modern Trek"
As a kid the Nick Meyer Trek movies were indeed my absolute favorites. And they still are. The older i got, the more this whole Father-Son story element hit me harder and harder. I had no real connection to it as a kid but once i turned 30 i felt this bit even more and realizing that i never really was all that close to my father (except when i was really really young) and i always felt this moment of reconcile between David Marcus and Jim Kirk to be really really sweet and VERY realistically portrait (especially the awkwardness). It is now one of my favorite moments in Star Trek II and always touches me to tears.
Some of the principal cast reduced their fees, to ensure that the visual effects were as good as they could be. I believe this included Nimoy, Shatner and Montalbán, all of whom knew that it was going to be a special film.
They _knew_ they were doing something special for EACH of them and for the ART . You could see it on the screen , and _I_ think its what _makes_ ST-II *SO **_ICONIC_* !
Such a great film. So many great actors and characters. A classic.
This movie is still the best one in my opinion. Score, story, Khan and Spock's death???? Epic! 🤓👍
Kirk and Khan don't get to face each other in the same room, but the video confrontation still works.
_I_ think the forced separation kinda _makes_ the tension work !
I was never a Trek fan(Star Wars for me)until I saw the Abrams films, that's when I decided to watch some of the old Trek films, and I have to admit this movie is not just a good Star Trek film, but a good film in its own right. Even if you're not a Trek fan, some might enjoy this one
Watching this after the Star Trek episode Space Seed is obviously the best thing one can do
Indeed
"Have you ever even kissed a girl?" Wm. Shatner
Every actor gave a fantastic performance in this one.. the story carried the film the Actors filled the roles with a new depth that the television show hinted at but did not fully esplore
I wonder if some of the characters were supposed to be transgendered but it wasn't revealed to the audience. For example, there is a theory David was a transgendered man. And a few believe Saavik was actually a transgendered woman. So when I watch this film I look at both characters that way.
@@trhansen3244 probably not, sounds like wishful thinking
@@trhansen3244 1. David is a man who shows true courage sacrificing himself in ST III. One of Kruge's condemned prisoners, he gave the others a chance to survive by attacking their killer knowing how the effort would end. 2. Saavik is a disciplined female Star Fleet bridge officer, and being Vulcan, tg is illogical in her culture. Superficially, one can mutilate body parts, endure suffering with disruptive hormone therapies, use makeup to alter facial appearance, but until chromosome pairs can be changed from XX to XY one cannot alter biological reality. But one can pretend.
@@trhansen3244You're kidding, right? You gotta be kidding 😂
@@trhansen3244 - You see David as a WOMAN ?!? _SERIOUSLY_ ? I guess some people can't see past their need to push WOKE every chance they get . Woke KILLS _EVERYTHING_ it touches and did so to STD .
As for DIE , STD is the ideal example of Trek gone _intersectionally_ WOKE , and the current T-G Cultural _ABOMINATION_ takes a whole NEXT - _LEVEL_ commitment to _That_ particular insanity to paste it on top of something SO _Culturally_ *ICONIC* as Star Trek !
The greatest Star Trek movie ever made.
A truly amazing movie. The pacing is non stop and it doesn't let up. Star Trek 2, 3 and 4 are an incredible story arc and great to watch.
"THIS IS CETI ALPHA FIVE!!"
I remember going to movies before this was released, crossing my fingers that they would show the Wrath of khan trailer. It really is, to me, the best of the trek films.
Nicholas Meyer's exceptional talent as a writer is what made Wrath of Khan & Undiscovered Country the two best Stark Trek films ever. Time After Time was one of my all time favorites as well, long before I knew who Meyer was. It was while being held up in releasing The 7 Percent Solution, that Meyer was talked into directing Star Trek II, which Meyer had wanted to title 'The Undiscovered Country' i.e. old age & death. Meyer says he lost that battle as a newcomer, but saved the title and won with Stark Trek VI. In my opinion, Wrath of Khan was his best 'win' for himself, and frankly, the entire franchise! Undiscovered Country was just a further testament to Meyer's ability to make a masterpiece out of the mediocrity that transpired in his absence.
Horatio Hornblower in space is exactly how Star Trek was described in the Radio Times back in 1969, when the series first aired on BBC TV.
I think Roddenberry himself, or it may have been Dorothy Fontana also defined that as the tone of the show
Probably the best - And My Favorite Star trek Movie! KHAN!!!!! 🖖🖖🍁♈🍁🖖🖖
RIP Leonard Nimoy 😔
RIP Kirstie Alley - Lt Saavik. 😔 RIP Nichelle 😔
RIP To All that Have passed away since then 😔
🖖🖖
Ricardo Montalbán - Khan
I’d rank Nemesis easily above Insurrection, at the very least, and all three of the JJ NuTrek films if those are in the discussion. I think it’s always been underrated. It has some unique visuals and also has the virtue of giving us the best space battle in the history of Trek on film.
Stark trek 2 " The Wrath of Khan" was got me into Star Trek as it was the 1st movie I saw of the series. I never saw the 1st movie "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" until quite recently, s I just found a copy n bought it and watched it in 2021! I turn 44 this summer so I think I am the same age as the 1st movie being born in '79 and have always loved all the Star Trek movies and series' that I've watched so I always found it strange I couldn't find a copy til then
No question the best Star Trek sequel Spock death is the saddest in the franchise it really hits you
Spock giving his life to save the crew at the last minute!! is beyond epic!!
THAT'S how _any_ main character should go . The way they killed Kirk was vastly DISAPPOINTING .
9:51 Back - way back - then, VHS tapes had been geared to sell not to the general public but to video stores.
Just goes to show you a good story is essential for success, are you listening, Disney?
Disney isn’t responsible for the generally shitty modern Star Trek output.
Always remembered that earworm scene. Showed it to my kids when they bought ear buds and said "Watch out".
2 was my favorite for a long time but now it's my 2nd with 6 being my favorite
I 100% agree with you. The very best Star Trek that had so much heart and excitement.
The Undiscovered Country > The Wrath of Khan. I’ll stand by this until my end days.
UC certainly right _there_ *with* WOK but I'd reverse the order , but YES .
Why were they both so close and seen as so similar ?
IMO _because_ they were BOTH _SERIOUS_ about accomplishing their GOALS _within_ the Trek mythos .
But that's just MY take 👍!
1. This is the best of all of them, even the new ones
2. If you listen carefully you can hear the wooden box shift when Chekov steps down when Khan lowers him back to the ground.
3. That's really Recardo Montalbon's real chest 🏆
3. I'm not the biggest fan of: KHAAAAAÀN.
4. Leonard Nimoy was glad Spock dies, because he was tired of playing the character but was under contract. He was willing to take the financial hit but agreed to carry on only if he could direct "The Search for Spock".
5. RIP Kirstie Alley😇
6. Speculation is that Chekov was onboard the Enterprise but hadn't been introduced to us yet.
Best film of all of the S.T. franchise. Best performance by Shatner. Best storyline of series. Best performance by supporting actor, Ricardo. One of the best sci fi movies ever!
For me, it always was more a tetralogy rather than a trilogy.
The real conclusion being
ST6 The Undiscovered Country.
Indeed; Undiscovered Country rules.
A true classic film
If you didn't cry a little when Spock died you have no soul.... Best Star Trek movie, ever.
Best Star Trek movie ever!
Time is Luxury...you dont have! I always loved that line! Khan was the Best villian ever!
Ricardo Montalbán was amazing.
Excellent video, but I am a bit surprised that Kirstie Alley wasn't mentioned, especially in light of her recent passing.
There have been a lot of good Star Trek movies, and Galaxy Quest, but this is still the best.
This one, alongside The Undiscovered Country, are my favorite Star Trek films.
One of only two sequels that were actually better than the first movie. Wrath of Kahn and Empire Strikes Back.
Kirk didn't give up his family. He was denied it by Dr Markus. Can't get facts right in a cover giving facts about a movie. Good job.
3:22 - when I first heard the term "earworm" - THAT is what I imagined!
I like SFdebris joke in regards to why Khan knows Chekov, which went something like, Khan is standing twisting and turning needing the bathroom. And then you hear a flush, and Chekov comes out and says " _Sorry, it's clogged, heh_ " and walks off. Which makes the scene in WoK more ominous :P
Also the odd-number Trek movie rule works out, IF - You consider *Galaxy Quest* to be the 10th Star Trek movie.
For me it's all about Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country. The very best of the original series movies. But how could you not mention Kirstie Alley? That's just nuts!
Those are my favourite 3 as well. The guys who played the villains in Khan and Undiscovered were so charismatic.
Yep... the ear worm scene always scared me away from this one as a kid/teen/even young adult until i finally just watched it one day, and realized it wasnt quite AS BAD as i remembered as my 6-7 year old self. Hate worms, let alone how they did it.
Recently watched a bunch of these again (including 2). Still love em.
The Best ST for sure without a doubt
This is my favorite Star Trek movie, Ricard Montalban is one of my favorite actors too.
Personally, as a non-trek fan, I liked Into Darkness, and consider it to be my favorite of the kelvin timeline films.
And with this film Star Wars finally had legitimate competition.
Wrath was great, but I really loved Generations. It tied a good plot, characters, classic star trek favorites like the Klingons and time travel into one sweeping epic where Kirk saves the universe once again.
A classic and the Trek movie they keep trying to replicate but always fall waay short of. Into Darkness was just embarrassing.
Ahh the memories. According to my parents I literally saw this in a theatre before I saw my first house. Apparently a local theatre was re-showing it as part of the build up to Search for Spock.
Great script.
Great acting.
Great music.
Great movie.
Gene Roddenberry originally called Kirk Horatio Hornblower in outer space.
A man who never watched the TOS gave us the best Trek movie
*KHAN!!!* 😫
Truly, one of the finest films ever made, and in my humble estimation, the best death scene in any movie. 🖖😀
"even number star trek don't suck". This still holds true as they stop using numbers in the movies names after 6
Star Trek 2 the wrath of Khan is the best star trek movie Nicholas Meyer is a great director
Might just be my long lost twin, same exact bday, love this movie AND gave a shout out to the 3DO that was the only “cool” system I actually had of all my friends
Heck yeah. I saw part 2 in the theater originally for $1. Even then that was cheap as movies were around $2.50.
Nicolas Meyers is a genius for setting Star Trek 2 in Sam Francisco.
Thanks for the video!! See you later!! Stay safe.😊
In the famous KAHN! scene (spoilers), Kirk knows that Spock is using code and also knows that they are not trapped like the rest and Kahn think. What this tells me is that when delivering the Kahn scream Kirk is as much as an over actor as Shatner!!
The biggest error for me in tWoK is when Khan says he never forgets a face and recognises Chekov, but in the TOS "Space Seed" episode when Khan first appeared, Chekov had not yet joined the Enterprise crew, so Khan wouldn't have known him in tWoK from earlier. They really should have used Uhura because then it would fit better and actually make mores sense continuity-wise.
Best Trek movie ever !!. Its the template for everything after it including Picard season 3 which borrows abit too much from it. It has everything you want from both Hollywood and Science fiction pity that they can't make these movies anymore (until AGI does it) modern versions just don't have the level of thought that has gone into this one.
Trek 2&3 also have the coolest movie posters/ vhs covers, and the best soundtracks❤❤
Khaaaaaaaan!!!
I had this on Betamax😎. Can't imagine how much my parents spent, vids were expensive back then
Wrath of Kahn gets all the attention but Undiscovered Country is the best Star Trek movie.
I actually agree; it's about Kirk getting over his own prejudices.
And this, kids, is where we get the term "ear worm". I love this movie ❤.....Khaaaaaaaaan!!!
I had not seen the Motion picture one, but this one was my very first Star Trek movie..i'd keep up with it after this..and much layer on see the Motion picture..thought it Boring..then a little later reruns of the series..and plus NEXT GEN the series, around that small resurrection of the legacy series due to Next generation being on.
Still a classic
another great one from Chris B.
The only thing I didn't like was not sending Spock back to Vulcan. Yes, I understand he was half human and it would have robbed us of one of the best/most emotional scenes in Star Trek, his funeral.