EUROFIGHTER vs OTHER JETS! PERFORMANCE COMPARISON! CAN it be the KING? - War Thunder
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Talking about the Eurofighter against other jets!
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Can't wait to play my 13.0 Su-27 against these 14.0 abominations. That's gonna be a ton of fun
13.0 F-14:
born to late to feel su27 air superiority back then
That's how I feel when I fly f4s vs su27
Up-tiering killed the game for me, literally uninstalled it yesterday, when I was using my f4s I was playing with nothing but f4s and f14s, now that I have my f14 I haven’t seen a game without an f15e. I will say I’m not the best at the game, but it doesn’t help I NEVER play in my br, how can I get better at the game if every plane I’m playing against are considerably better then mine, I get 60 countermeasures these mf have like 400+ 😂
@@ChaseCaron-f4hyeah, the only 2 ways of not getting uptiered is to play sim (but you must check current BR rotation and choose certain vehicles BR wise) or to play top tier only
"Kn" = Knots
"kN" = Kilonewtons
Nobody outside the US uses knots, dirty feets, yerds, galons, faranhighs.
@@janchovanec8624not correct
@janchovanec8624 every nation uses feet for altitude and knots for maritime speed because those are international standards. It's a legacy from when most of us used the imperial system too, but it's too difficult to be worth changing now. 🤷
@janchovanec8624 the only countries who use kilometers and meters for standard aviation are communist lol and they are russia, china, north Korea, and i think there's like 1 or 2 others. Every other country will have knots and feet for aircraft, even if their car speed is measured in kmH, and their height in meters.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 i think russian military uses kmh and meters
looking forward to flying my hmd-less 13.3 tornado against this every match.. Thanks Gaijin
Hopefully 13.3 and 13.0 will be mostly downtiers with everyone playing 13.7 and 14.0
Hopefully 12.7 can breath again
@devisucarlo7922 I’m a German main so I’ll be using 13.0 to grind the Typhoon. I’m really hoping 14.0 will drag the top 4th gens away from the transition period late 3rds and early 4ths.
Don't play the tornado dude. It's not worth it. Absolutely the worst jet I've ever flown
@@ironpizza5150 you must have never played the su22
Earliest I've ever been to a Matt AWG video
Eurofighter having less thrust to weight ratio than Rafale is criminal.
Dont worry they'll fix that in 2 years when they release planes which will make the EF entirely irrelevant.
They probably say make Germany bad but don’t make it obvious
the Typhoons performance was changed now, by having 90 KN on each engine and the wight has been reduced from 11.700 kg to 11.300 normally it is 11.300 but the devs ignore that weight for some reason
The rafale had the weight buff. The eurofighter is still 12.9 tonnes in game when its 10 or 11 tonnes irl
@iboopy-fl2ic in the forums we found out it was changed yesterday because of complains and reports
@iboopy-fl2ic No, it was changed almost right after the dev closed, it's now 11300kg, even though it should still go down by 300kg.
@@justjake1038 good. Rafale thrust to weight is still well overperforming
@@ionoverdrive8164 The eurofighter flight manual got leaked didnt it...
Hoping the Gripen gets slightly un-nerfed now that it's contemporaries are in the game. Or just give us the E and I'll be happy.
Mate its bin nerfed 15 times.
gripen is still the best dogfighter even against both Eurofighter and rafale on the 2nd dev server
@@HighRiskVyet its fm is still arbitrarily nerfed (not as bad as MiG-29 but it's noticable) and also still doesn't have wingtip fox 3's
@@joy_gantic it can't carry wingtip fox 3 not even the E can
Last time I checked, it still stomps both the EFT and Rafale in speed retention and degrees per second. Speed retention is closer but the Gripen pulls like 5 degrees per second more than either one at any given speed under Mach.
EF2000 should have the irl engine thrust
what do you mean
@@russicher2089 It's meant to have 52 more KN
@@Kiirxas no bro no its not the ej200 stage 0's have 90kn afterburning thrust
excited to see the rafale version
I’m just glad as a German main we finally get something to compete with the f4 is fun but sheesh
F4 Aint Fun💀😭 ong bro where have you got the info from that the f4 is fun in any way, sure when its facing 12.7 only (so basically a downtier) its quite good but it usually happens once every 10 battles and all the other 9 battles you'll end up sucking
@@SmarterSmart9it's actually pretty solid after the br changes. 13.0 with a fuck ton of 120s and basically 9ms is pretty good
The Gripen's performance is ridiculously poor. It’s hard to believe it could be this bad in real life, especially since in the videos we watch on RUclips, the Gripen effortlessly climbs at a 90-degree angle.
yea its european jets that aren't allowed to perform to their true standards while american jets are overperforming
Wasn't it getting a buff in one of the dev blogs?
@@antimatter4733Only i know it got nerfed a few times After its Release. Don‘t know if it got a slight buff since then
Wait until you fly the flanker, it has a calculated oswald efficiency of 0.4 whilst IRL it has an oswald efficiency somewhere around 0.75
The F-18 engine produces about 8000 kilograms of thrust. The gripen weighs about 7600kg in this configuration. That comes out to a thrust to weight of 1.05 when at a stand still. The gripen does not have high thrust to weight in real life. What you were probably seeing were videos of the E or the F variant which have improved engines but still only manage a thrust to weight of ~1.2
The alien drones from New Jersey have kidnapped Mat.
25 seconds wow that’s a record
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Yeah and we're supposed to believe a Eurofighter is faster than an F15E on the top end. A plane that's designed to not rip at mach 2.5+ lol.
Us main crying because he doesn't get the best jet in game for once
Remember kids, the euros 0 to mach time is officially sub 30. At ila it was bout 28s not 32s
Ah yes good to see Gaijin have nerfed the Typhoon cant have it perform realistically. Still missing thrust, still weight 300kg more than it should, super cruise ability limited to Mach 1.3. Im looking forward to when US mains start crying for more nerfs (cough Gripen) or the Aim120C.
Acceleration is cool but I’m more interested in rate airspeed or degrees per second turn. Like the viper should house a f15E in that respect.
Nice video but you should have included the Rafale for comparison too
Su-35 should improve a lot in respect to thrust to weight ratio (not sure by how much though)
Su35 has one of the highest, if not the highest, thrust to weight ratio out of all the fighter jets made both from USSR/Russia and the west.
@devisucarlo7922,they will nerf it, usa mains will cry out.
@@planetfun85 yep, can't have anything competent against the USA mains.
Saying this whyle befored the fox3 update the su27 dominated 😂@@BlackWolf9988
Soap dispenser
Fake country
Bro hasn’t posted today he died for sure
All these people complaining about not having anything new like be patient you will get something next update (I’m a German main)
Put them at 14.3 so they don’t go against 13.0s
Time to start asking for a gripen buff
WHEN IS WAR THUNDER GOING TO FIX R77 DRAG AND JUST DRAG IN GENERAL ITS BEEN IN THE FORUMS FOR MONTHS MATT PLEASE HELP
when do you think sweden will get the gripen E
I would imagine its gonna come in march, but maybe only in june
Im curious on how the Gripen is gonna peform when its added, probably slightly better than the J-10 if i can remember correctly
gripen is in the game rn??
@Thermal6 long time ago
@Thermal6 perhaps he meant gripen e/f
Gripen will never ever get close to a J10.
If you mean EF, yeah, it will perform better than J10 kinematically. Though electronics wise J10C is quite close to late Tranche and Block Eurofighters. Both beat the Rafale by a good margin in that regard.
Man, once upon a time, I thought my Gripen was great. Now it's dogshit compared to the rest
I come from DCS and never played War Thunder. What's the best way (least expensive or least grinding) to get into an aircraft that carries R27s?
Buy the mig 21 bison on sale. Although it’s from the UK tree and only gets 2 R-27Rs or R-27Ts.
I used to think the gripen E was way to good for the current state of war thunder but with the Eurofighter and rafale having MAW etc and these insane speeds it might be time for the gripen E
My prediction is before the end of 2025 but who knows I’m just hopeful
Im not too informed on Euro Canards, could you explain to me some of the upgrades the Gripen E brought please?
@ eeeh to make a long story short the Gripen E is big with electric warfare so jamming etc but that isn’t modeled in game
The big one for war thunder would be it’s got a better engine so it can super cruise and have better thrust to weight
It gets more hardpoints and gets access to more (newer) missiles however they also aren’t in game same thing as with Eurofighterand rafale
It gets an AESA radar, MAW, and if I remember correctly more built in countermeasures but don’t quote me on that
The cockpit is also very advanced
I’m obviously simplifying quite a lot here but it gets thrust to weight and top speed similar to the two planes we’re getting in game (I think it’s top speed is in the middle of EF and Rafale) combined with the incredibly low weight means it would be a very good dogfighter and not too unrealistic next to the others. Maybe the other canard bois would have to get some later variants first but the gripen E can carry any weapon the other two can
Can the Eurofighter still supercruise?
Is he still alive?
EF is nerfed to ground compare to Rafale
Damn Gaijin Dog
Even nerfed the rafale can't even compare to the eurofighter
Eurofighter having a lower thrust to weight than the f15 is kinda funny. delusional flight models
Is There a reason you left out the Rafale?
Because that thing stinks of french
He made a video for that
@devisucarlo7922 well be it as it may, it’s a very sexy stinky plane and a major part of the patch.
@@XeroOps no he didn’t. There’s no other video comparing all of the measurements he took between all of these planes with the most recent dev server update.
This is the first he made putting them together. I’m just wondering why he left out the Rafale.
@@Takemura76 Didn't he say that he'll just include the ef for this video and maybe make seperate one for rafale? I think I heard him say that in the video.. though im not 100% sure
The thing is, figthers like Ef2000 and rafale were disinged to beat the Soviet Su27s... that why we have Su30 and Su35 now
yeah, we all remember the Egyptian training where the rafale played the prey and ended as the aggressor after completely shitting on the su35 that was supposed to chase it.
@@tigerbesteverything lol... that never happen🤣
Egyptian didnt have a chance to test the Su35 becose off sanctions by the eu & usa
@@tirsofelipeduranmendoza5432that guy just doesn’t know that the only 2 countries besides Russia that have Su-35’s are China and Iran.
All Sukhois are gonna be shit, it's just a badly designed lineage of planes.
@@Miszorov Totally not because gaijin keeps on fudging the induced drag on soviet jets, right? It's totally not like the Su-27's and MiG-29's shat on the F-15's and F-16's during dogfights in the 2000's right?
mirage 2000 is always forgotten 😔
Why does the typhoon weigh 12.9t? Is that it’s empty weight or fully loaded weight? Typhoons empty weight should be 10t
I didn’t play the update with the f15e because they still haven’t fixed top tier games but why are you testing the euro fighter against a ground strike instead of the air superiority f15c
Because the E has much better engines and performance than the C. The comparable adf variant to the Eurofighter would be the F15 EX Eagle II.
@ war thunder will always confuse me
@@eErTiStReE well, the F15 EX is just now entering service, and maybe too new in most departments. On the other hand, the only plane in the world with better overall flight performance than the EF would be the F22....and we are so not ready for that one.
@ yes but (coming from dcs player) the E is a fat ass, barely a dog fighter. Of course it’s not the same because even the C in dcs gets aim120c and I think it’s b in war thunder… it seems like war thunder just wanted to have an upgrade but didn’t do their research
@eErTiStReE they balance by the available weapon systems. EF also only has 120Bs. No Meteor or IRIS-T missiles.
Nah Gaijin need to look for WoT matchmaking. At least there when you got uptier, you are not alone
Overall good update but fix the flight model of the eurofighter and fix the radar it shouldn’t switch to irst automatically I can’t shoot my radar missles even in the su 27 sm
update tomorrow
0 to mach 1 on the Eurofighter is still wrong how did they mess that up
Have any idea when the update is coming?
Most likely next week on either Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday
Yea probably Thursday
Likely not in december, probably around new years though
@@pingu1986 The December update has always dropped in December. It will most likely drop before Christmas and moreover, before the Winter Event starts (the vehicles are in Dev server files etc.) so no later than on the 20th.
@pingu1986 not only in the past 11 years have december updates been between the 14th and 20th but the basement guy specified it would not fall into next year.
pls do the MIG-23ML(A/D) and Yak-141 too. bc they're the former speed kings
No rafale ?
Looking Forward to the Grind... Not
The f15e shouldn’t be accelerating faster then the typhoon but it’s close enough I’m not to fussed
What i find funny is its mach 1 to mach 2 accel speed, better than the ef even though it's not like that irl
Irl the F-15E needs to carry so much fuel it drops the T/W to below that of the F-15C (the true top dog when it comes to T/W). Add to that, the conformal fuel tanks which can't be dropped do give it a not insignificant drag penalty.
Which line is the german eurofighter in on the techtree?
F-4F ICE
Nice
I had no idea the su27 was twice the weight of an f16
F15C should've been included.
What is about the Mirage
what will they do about sweden? idk if meteors and IrisT will be enough to level the gripen with BR 15 stuff later on..
СУ 30СМ с управляемым вектором тяги- король ближнего боя. Жду, чтобы выносить эти нло
I've done some calculations of the Eurofighter vs F-15Es real world thrust to weight ratios... It's quite stark. Both aircraft have roughly the same endurance/range at max fuel, roughly 3900km reportedly. The inefficiency of the F-15Es engines really betrays it however, to achieve that maximum range of 3,900km she needs to load roughly 14,800kg of fuel on top of her 16,000kg empty weight - totalling 30,800kg roughly. Comparatively the Eurofighter only needs to load roughly 7400kg of fuel, plus her empty weight of 11,000kg - totalling 18,400kg.
Eurofighter Typhoon has a TWR of roughly 1.67, measured when empty using afterburners. Without afterburners she has a TWR of roughly 1.11. With max fuel but without drag accounted for, her TWR with afterburners sits at roughly 1.0. Without afterburners her TWR sits at around 0.66.
F-15E has a TWR of roughly 1.66, measured when empty using afterburners. Without afterburners she has a TWR of roughly 1.02. With max fuel but without drag accounted for, her TWR with afterburners sits at roughly 0.86. Without afterburners her TWR sits at around 0.53.
At empty weight the Typhoon holds a slight edge, however at max fuel that difference is exacerbated. Do note that at maximum fuel, the F-15E should struggle more with drag. At max fuel the Eurofighter only needs added 3 small 1000L drop tanks, the rest of her fuel is carried internally. Comparatively the F-15E requires added 3 much larger 2000L drop tanks with greater drag, and her 2 conformal fuel tanks which though conformal - do still add drag.
14.0 is not enough. 14.7 would have been better
when will release they update?
Next week.
Expect Wendnesday or Thursday.
Tomorrow
Where is rafale :'(
The gripen is sooo underpovered...
The same applies to the MiG-29, R-77, Rafale, and many others.
Is the update out?
Nah not yet. Dev was opened but it closed. So the update will come out possibly next week or around the Christmas days
@@iTrxxshI actually think Tuesday is most likely
The December update tends to come between the 14th and 18th, and 4 days from dev server closing to update is quite common aswell
@@derbe8647thx man
@ yeah I was watching another RUclipsr and his predictions it Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. So that makes more sense lol🙏🙏
Is the dev back open?
I thought dev was closed how are you playing dev
whats the point of 14.0 if they will still facr 13.7
At least 12.7 F16A's with only IR missiles can't face them anymore ig
@@igorborracini5722that’s the point of a higher ceiling, it’s so stuff further below doesn’t suffer
@@igorborracini5722 I present to you, full uptier and slight downtier for eurofighter.
F15E is slower at top speed than the f15c because of the drag nef by like 20 miles per hour
you'll get there faster though
ye Eurofighter so fair
Lol the F-15E which is a fucking fat jet can still accelerate faster than the EFT which is crazy
What is Sweden supposed to receive in order to keep up with these and other future jets?
Gripen has bin nerfed 15 times. Needs to get all nerf revoked.
Gripen E and subtree f/a18
@@LarssonNsP I guess you're right but I don't really see the Gripen E making it into the game very soon, although I hope it is
@@HunterZTheLunatic No, it is still overtuned. Gripen is a dogshit jet in real life, just get over it.
@@mehmetbozkurt3274 >goes vertical
>loses essentially no speed
"MUHH NERFED!"
shit still has unrealistic FM and people are asking to un-nerf it into a UFO...lol
Thust doesn't mean shit only thrust to wight
Pre or post nerf?
Bit late but post
My only problem...is it realistic, or just some arcadeish interpretation to give a hype. ? Is the flanker platform that bad ? Cuz in reality...
This is why gaijin its R...... Su-27sm shouldn't have been add it into the game.. It didn't provide a upgrade enough to justified it.. Su-27sm3, Su-27m or even Su-30.. should has being a better choice. There are other variant too. Like Su-35 and Su-35s in the Future. How long gaijin is specting to drag the grind to something like Su-35s
Now that the Eurocvck are in game how many variant can be add from western that provide a increase in performance?.. not just better missile. F-16block70¿? F-15ex?.. Eurofighter with it enhance dogfighter pack that no nation has ever put into service?.. Fantasy Eurofighter with Thrust vectoring?
Well at least it the Future USA has the F-22 to dream about.. F35 its shit but a lot of nations use it. But how other nations will cope when they suffer worst than Germany that has nothing do be add. While Russian still introducing Su-X...variant.
Please make a video about su30sm
That’s not in the update
@Cheftaingamer I know, but it is likely to come in the next update
Justice for the gripen! Over nerfed
For real, I hope the Gripen D or the Gripen E come this update or the next, it’s supposed to have a 2-1 power to weight ratio but it doesn’t for some reason
@@BOEING--mh6xm Gripen E aint even finished yet lmao and it has so much more advanced avionics than anything else even stuff like the F22 or super hornet lmao.
@@Fjallkloka_Aventyr how about the Gripen D? Or maybe some other variant
@@BOEING--mh6xm Gripen D is just C with worse performance because 2 seats and more weight.
In my opinion the gripen C got added way too early! Just imagine if it got added now, together with the EF and rafale
Buff gripen and add it to 14.0. Fix eurofighter weight and rafale thrust to weight. J10B and J11B should be china's entry to 14.0. Su-30 for Russia. Now every nation has a 14.0
give the viper zero to japan too, it's their entry to 14.0.
@@tigerbesteverything Yea I 100% agree. Devs just dont want to because of its radar
the Rafale T to W is at a good level right now, it's the EF one that is heavily nerfed, probably the other 14.0 will be seen next majour update in my opinion, su30 was already found in files
And for the love of god fix the efs engines. They miss at least 1 ton of thrust, realistically 2
yippe
1 min
sad to J-10A,gaijin totally mess it,gaijin nerfed J-10a speed up ability too much,its speeding up needs 10time longer time to reach mach1.5 from mach1.0 compared with F16C.Imagine a modern jet even cant reach its limit speed ,that is unhiden bias nerfs just because its Chinese jets.And now J-10A have a very bad bug,if you do any 2 line mobolity,your wing will 100% broken with no doubt,this bug only exist since last little update days ago...sad
If you guys want to see a real comparison go watch SPARTANCORE, he do real performance test, like turn rate number, thrust number, Aoa number.😂 Because that's.... everyone can do it
That comment is nonsense for so many reasons. For example, not everyone speaks French.
Please take a bit time for yourself. Go to gym or do something healthy you doing tooo much
He went from 5k when i started watching him to 40k in like 3ish months he should keep going
@@XeroOps exactly. He gets a ton of money.
@ Probably not a ton but probably enough to pay rent n shit
f-15E Thrust is way way too high, those engines should only produce AT MAX 260kN if the upgraded engines are used.
Eurofighter should also be at 180kN, but the gap should not be as large percentage wise.
Gaijin needs to either nerf the Eurofighters more or move the F-15E down by a full br.
I didn't grind the US air tree, just to die to those every damn match.
Even the F-16 can't do sh*t against those.
are you saying f15e should be 12.7? quit crying america main
Do you hear yourself
I am a USA main and in the video the F-15E literally beaten the EF in almost every single test, It's still the best plane in the entire game and it's better in BVR than the Eurofighter, it only loses in dogfights but it was the same situation before to other light fighters, so please quit whining and you give us USA mains a bad rap.
you know that the Eurofighters are better then the F15 und F16 irl right? Atleast in terms of dogfighting and air interception, what the air rb mode basically is. The F15 therefore is way better in A/G and longtime air to air engagements because it can carry more payload and can longer stay in the air. In Air Interception there are very few jets that can compete with the eurofighter
Complaining that a strike aircraft isn’t beating air superiority fighters lmao typical US main