Perfect timing. I was just weighing up the pros and cons of Tough Dog foam cell shocks to replace my worn our Outback Armour shocks. You just made my decision much easier.
Great info bud. Looking at keeping the standard suspension on my triton as it is very comfortable but wondering if upgrading just the shocks alone would benefit off road. Not interested in lifting it. Cheers
@@jasonlammas5341 if you’re towing, carrying a bit of weight around or driving unsealed/corrugated roads then yes I’d say a shock upgrade could benefit 👍🏼
Remote Res Adjustable shocks have their benefits when touring and your driving different terrain (eg: corrugations & slow desert driving) adjusting the shocks can make a big difference in ride comfort
Great Video, very informative. Thank you. Regarding the new tees, luv the design and want one, do they come in any other colours? I'm not a black tee person. I think I only have one black shirt in my wardrobe that I was given as a present and have never worn it. Cheers Bob.
Coil springs are energy absorbers . The issue is the springs have a lot of trouble controlling there own operation . IF compression / rebound is to fast or slow poor handling will result . Shocks need to generally have more rebound dampening for either heavy duty and or raised springs . So having the correct valved shock is very important . EG PX ranger has 4 different rear shocks . The springs and coils need to match each other and the weight expected to carry . Monroe TDT all 4 corners and Dobinson's rear leaf springs
Interesting. We have had a lot more trouble with our caravan shockies 67k and now on our 6@7 cruismaster g35 on our passenger side and 4@5 on our drivers side. They would not fly nitrogen up to Cape York. I think we should have a discussion with Peddars . Thankyou x
That hit the spot mate, im in the market for some new shocks on my ranger. you just helped me make an informed choice on the type. cheers from 2 west aussies no longer in saudi 😂
To be honest it's just an advert for Pedders. I use Pedders on my 2011 Paj and the shocks and springs have outlasted my expectations on longevity by tens of thousands of Klms. Would I buy a complete package again? Maybe. All I hear is Dobinsons springs vs Lovells and Bilstein shocks.
@@martywollaston1146 It’s a recommendation for foam cell twin tube shocks for touring and towing- regardless of brand. Pedders arnt the only company selling foam cells. But they are the brand I’ve been running, so my experience with them is relevant to the discussion.
Foam cells are generally under less pressure than gas or monotubes. So what are you thinking of replacing the with? Might be that the valving or spring rate is just wrong for your setup.
@@WildTouringReplacing the ute soon. So I'm not going to bother. But won't be buying foam again. Your right though could also be the wrong spring rate in the leafs.
@@clintonmorris1945 Why would you be sworn off a broad design of damper when you can't or haven't determined if the ride is due to bushings, damper valving, spring rates or even the tyre carcass you are using? Seems short sighted. By the sounds of it, the dampers you have could be the only thing keeping any element of control or comfort and you'd have absolutely no idea. You could have made a decision (in ignorance) to never again run the only part of your suspension that is actually working properly. Do you realise that foam cell is a design type. There are multiple different manufacturers with different dampers available. All likely to have different piston/rod/casing sizes and valving specs. Why go on a public forum and say "my vehicle rides like shit, I have no idea why but I'm blaming a generic damper design and swearing off that for the rest of my life"?
The bypass tubes are interesting. There’s definitely heaps involved in getting valving right! And I’ve go no doubt the more money you throw on it the more performance you’ll see!
@@jamestanner9198 cheers mate. I’ll stick with what’s worked well for me. Pedders foam cells for nearly 10years/ 200,000kms, been around for over 70 years and stores all over Aus 👍🏼
What do you want a price on? There is literally hundreds of variables - brand, vehicle, monotube/twin tube, gas/foam, remote res etc. I can give you an example for my vehicle- a rear Pedders Gas Shock is $319ea, foam cells like I run are $331. And then you can spend over $2000 a corner on Kings or Fox shocks. Theres lots of options and a really wide price range.
G'day Cam interesting episode. I was always led to believe the nitrogen was added to prevent the shocky oil from foaming. Yes, a bigger bore or an external reservoir gives more oil capacity to assist with temperature & heat dispersion. Yes, I like the twin tube to prevent piston rod damage. I ran Konis on a previous 4wd that was subjected to tough work ,they lasted well. Safe travels.
@@iandibley8032 yeah I think nitrogen is used for a few reasons- it’s cheap, readily available, and under pressure reduces foaming and raises boiling temp. They absolutely still suffer from foaming though! There’s a few good bench test/demos on RUclips showing them in action.
Perfect timing. I was just weighing up the pros and cons of Tough Dog foam cell shocks to replace my worn our Outback Armour shocks. You just made my decision much easier.
@@deeebaser foam cell twin tubes are the sweet spot for price/ reliability/ availability 👌 can’t go wrong!
I have been running foam cells for 15 years and never had one fail, and ride comfort spot on . fitted to a 2006 troopy.
@@michaeldemeo1844 yeah 10 or so years for me too. They’re the best bang for buck 👍🏼
Isn’t “troopy” and “comfort” a bit of a contradiction in terms?😂😂😂 sorry, couldn’t resist 😜
Great info bud. Looking at keeping the standard suspension on my triton as it is very comfortable but wondering if upgrading just the shocks alone would benefit off road. Not interested in lifting it. Cheers
@@jasonlammas5341 if you’re towing, carrying a bit of weight around or driving unsealed/corrugated roads then yes I’d say a shock upgrade could benefit 👍🏼
Great explanation. Very happy with the Dobinson Mono Tubes on my Prado.
yes you're right the spring is the shock absorber, those things are actually hydraulic dampers, thanks for sharing Cam.
Remote Res Adjustable shocks have their benefits when touring and your driving different terrain (eg: corrugations & slow desert driving) adjusting the shocks can make a big difference in ride comfort
This will be the most “Shocking” video ever 😂😂. Shocking?!? Get it? Shocks😂
@@TiggertheTabby 🤣 that’s a shocker mate!
That joke would put a dampener on any suspension conversation 🤪
@ 🫨. 😂😂😂
Great Video, very informative. Thank you. Regarding the new tees, luv the design and want one, do they come in any other colours? I'm not a black tee person. I think I only have one black shirt in my wardrobe that I was given as a present and have never worn it.
Cheers Bob.
Coil springs are energy absorbers . The issue is the springs have a lot of trouble controlling there own operation . IF compression / rebound is to fast or slow poor handling will result .
Shocks need to generally have more rebound dampening for either heavy duty and or raised springs . So having the correct valved shock is very important . EG PX ranger has 4 different rear shocks . The springs and coils need to match each other and the weight expected to carry . Monroe TDT all 4 corners and Dobinson's rear leaf springs
Interesting. We have had a lot more trouble with our caravan shockies 67k and now on our 6@7 cruismaster g35 on our passenger side and 4@5 on our drivers side. They would not fly nitrogen up to Cape York. I think we should have a discussion with Peddars . Thankyou x
I rate the foam cells.
Give them a go 👍🏼
I just fitted a set of OME MT64's. I think the bigger bore without going remote res is the go.
Yeah I agree, big bore twin tube foam cells are the sweet spot for availability, reliability and cost!
Fantastic breakdown, love the explanation
@@seanchristie7150 cheers mate 🙏
That hit the spot mate, im in the market for some new shocks on my ranger. you just helped me make an informed choice on the type. cheers from 2 west aussies no longer in saudi 😂
Glad to have helped! Great to meet you two last weekend!
Hi Cam - what awning do you have on your car? Is it still a 30 second make? Huge thanks.🌺
Good work Cam 👌🤙
Excellent info cam - and thanks for all the great videos😊 cheers Andy & Shaz Bribie Island Qld.
@@andrewjoyce5089 Bribie also 🤙🤙🤙
Pleasure guys! 🙏
Thanks Cam, great explainer.
@@stuartkcalvin cheers mate 🙏
To be honest it's just an advert for Pedders. I use Pedders on my 2011 Paj and the shocks and springs have outlasted my expectations on longevity by tens of thousands of Klms. Would I buy a complete package again? Maybe. All I hear is Dobinsons springs vs Lovells and Bilstein shocks.
@@martywollaston1146 It’s a recommendation for foam cell twin tube shocks for touring and towing- regardless of brand. Pedders arnt the only company selling foam cells. But they are the brand I’ve been running, so my experience with them is relevant to the discussion.
Damm, I now want to know more about what's hanging up in the shed than I do about shocks 🤣😉
@@GB-cm6yy 🤣 🤣
Great thumbnail cam
Cheers mate!
Got foam cells on my ute and it's rough as guts . Feel every bump and dip in the road. Wife absolutely hates it.
Wouldn't recommend
Foam cells are generally under less pressure than gas or monotubes. So what are you thinking of replacing the with?
Might be that the valving or spring rate is just wrong for your setup.
@@WildTouringReplacing the ute soon. So I'm not going to bother. But won't be buying foam again. Your right though could also be the wrong spring rate in the leafs.
@@clintonmorris1945Ute's are notoriously rough in the rear end as they are trying to compromise between load carrying and comfort
@@clintonmorris1945 Why would you be sworn off a broad design of damper when you can't or haven't determined if the ride is due to bushings, damper valving, spring rates or even the tyre carcass you are using? Seems short sighted. By the sounds of it, the dampers you have could be the only thing keeping any element of control or comfort and you'd have absolutely no idea. You could have made a decision (in ignorance) to never again run the only part of your suspension that is actually working properly.
Do you realise that foam cell is a design type. There are multiple different manufacturers with different dampers available. All likely to have different piston/rod/casing sizes and valving specs. Why go on a public forum and say "my vehicle rides like shit, I have no idea why but I'm blaming a generic damper design and swearing off that for the rest of my life"?
Speaking of shocks... the sale of your van?
Kings shocks or bust. Can’t beat a 3.0 triple bypass.
The bypass tubes are interesting. There’s definitely heaps involved in getting valving right! And I’ve go no doubt the more money you throw on it the more performance you’ll see!
Triple bypass is what you heart needs after hearing the price of kings shocks
What is the difference between a nitro and a nitrogen one ?
Nothing mate, just branding/
Marketing. Both are hydraulic (oil) dampeners with pressurised nitrogen gas. 👍🏼
@@WildTouring ok thought you said gas charged nitro or nitrogen. Thought you meant 3 types. I run the iron man foam on dmax 240k no problems love them
@@jamestanner9198 nah all the same thing- just different name 👍🏼
240k is mental for a set of shocks, gotta be happy with that!
@@WildTouring Have a look at the specs on iron man they really good
@@jamestanner9198 cheers mate. I’ll stick with what’s worked well for me. Pedders foam cells for nearly 10years/ 200,000kms, been around for over 70 years and stores all over Aus 👍🏼
Whyd you sell the van mate?
@@dualcablowlux hey mate, I’ll explain it all In a vid next weekend 👍🏼
How did your mate go with his dcs claim?
@@jamestanner9198 that wasn’t my mate?!
Wasn't my mate, must have been someone else?
@@WildTouring It was sorry. Australian 4x4 adventures
In true you tube form no mention of price
What do you want a price on? There is literally hundreds of variables - brand, vehicle, monotube/twin tube, gas/foam, remote res etc.
I can give you an example for my vehicle- a rear Pedders Gas Shock is $319ea, foam cells like I run are $331.
And then you can spend over $2000 a corner on Kings or Fox shocks. Theres lots of options and a really wide price range.
G'day Cam interesting episode. I was always led to believe the nitrogen was added to prevent the shocky oil from foaming. Yes, a bigger bore or an external reservoir gives more oil capacity to assist with temperature & heat dispersion. Yes, I like the twin tube to prevent piston rod damage. I ran Konis on a previous 4wd that was subjected to tough work ,they lasted well. Safe travels.
@@iandibley8032 yeah I think nitrogen is used for a few reasons- it’s cheap, readily available, and under pressure reduces foaming and raises boiling temp. They absolutely still suffer from foaming though! There’s a few good bench test/demos on RUclips showing them in action.