This “documentary” was more of a half kayfabe / half shoot story that was really meant to continue to push the Cody/Rock narrative. Rock mentioned a few times that he came up with XYZ thing (the rock/roman match was his idea, the pivot was his idea, the final boss was his idea, the teaser with Cody on the Raw after Mania was his idea 😂). This didn’t feel like a “documentary” so much as a story building opportunity.
Literally the entire angle and the matches were half shoot/half kayfabe… idk what people were expecting. But fans are so worried about sounding smart talking about “booking” that it went right over their heads
@@Robby_CI get that. It was very obvious during the story. I thought this “behind the scenes documentary” was going to dive into ALL of Mania XL and we could get some real stories like “this is how the idea for Cena and Taker came about”, or a look at Seth’s story, Drew, Punk, Damien, etc. Ultimately this felt less like a behind the scenes and more of a “The Rock has all the best ideas” Rock heel promo 😂
@@thelastquincy1457EVERYTHING was Rocks idea 😂 he went from the best idea ever (Rock v Roman) then he had the next best idea ever (letting Cody finish his story) then he had the next best idea ever (the tag match) then he had the next best idea ever (the final boss) 😂
@@nicholasmcghee1824I guess in my eyes the story of this WrestleMania was the Roman/Cody/Rock stuff. That’s what all the mainstream attention was on. That was the big story that “made pro-wrestling cool again.” And it was a unique combination of long term booking and pivoting when something interesting happens. I think it a little side angle was supposed to be peek into how the “new” WWE does business as a way to reset the expectations and presumptions of the internet fans. I think they underestimate how thick headed a lot of wrestling fans are though lol
I feel that it was so heavy on the "what are we doing with Cody". It was cool to hear his side but I would have loved to hear more about how it was decided that he was going to win and end Roman's streak. What was his or others reactions to Roman losing? When was it decided that he was going to lose and who made that call? And of course like you said, I wanted the behind the scenes of the interferences getting involved
It was a nice documentary but have to admit I wished they focused on other matches too as that helped shaped Wrestlemania 40 help to be built. Yes the Cody Story was the main focus but some other time focused on the some other matches like Drew’s story going into it, showing backstage when Priest won the title and so on. Yes again the Cody story and Rock is the main point but give at least 10 minutes on other points within the show as they have done in past documentaries including the 24 ones that focused on past Wrestlemanias.
Tbh I don't think they revealed much that we didn't already know because we all knew they had to pivot. But it was still very well done but I agree that it did feel a bit rushed at the end
I think we didn’t get much info about after the match, especially Roman’s feelings and reactions, because that’s the only-going story. How is Roman going to return? What is he thinking? Is he mad at the rock? Cody? With it being on WWE’s RUclips channel I think they’re trying to keep that little sliver of kayfabe alive. Edit: commented this before you mentioned it. So I agree with that commenter.
The Undertaker said on his podcast that he didn’t know he was going to be involved until moments beforehand… so there was literally nothing to talk about.
I really like how you’re doing new reviews of stuff. You throw in our comments, it’s a very unique way to include your subscribers that I haven’t seen other RUclipsrs do outside of “Hot takes”
Undertaker has spoken multiple times on his podcast about what led to his appearance at Mania. The doc was about the "pivot" and I thought it delivered.
I’ve been watching pro wrestling many decades, on and off as a kid in the 80’s and I started watching weekly around 1995. So you can call me an old school pro wrestling fan. I agree with the guy who said kayfabe is dead and that WWE is exposing too much, too soon. This documentary is further proof that Triple H is not the creative genius he gets credited for being. He’s made minimal changes and his long term booking is inconsistent. He lets some talents shine while others get nothing. And they should have used this “behind the curtain” documentary to set up the characters involved for future storylines. Imagine an in character Roman Reigns talking about his disappointment of losing on the big stage since he said nothing after the match. It could’ve been used to further set up his babyface return. They could’ve used it to setup Cody and Rock even more than Rock teased it before he left. You could have had Seth Freakin’ Rollins also giving us his disappointment in losing but had him tease getting payback on Roman. There’s endless possibilities that Triple H could’ve done but instead, we get this real look at WM 40. Lame.
I feel like everyone was confusing this for the “WWE Day Of” docuseries they do where we see people backstage before and after their matches and see people celebrate and all that good stuff. This was strictly about the Cody vs Roman match and the booking that went into it.
This documentary was meant to be about the Cody/Rock pivot. It was pretty clear to me from the ads that that was what it would be about, so I enjoyed it.
THIS IS CRAZY! The first minute and 30 seconds of your video, sir I almost word for word said what you said, to my girlfriend after we watched the documentary. The documentary needed to be another 20 minutes of the rehearsals of like John Cena coming out, talking to him for a minute, and then the aftermath of the match. Again, just like you said, it was just a recap of the night events of the actual match.
Seemed like it didn't want to touch on any scripting or predetermined results for the matches. Doc tried to play it out like nobody knew what would happen in the matches so it can't show them planning out the match or interference. Wwe gets very wierd about kayfabe in documentaries.
One thing I did find disappointing is the fact they didn't really reveal why Roman vs Rock didn't end up happening at Wrestlemania 39. All we got was "Things didn't work out"
The person who said “didn’t say things we didn’t know”, the thing is right, you would only know the ins and outs if you are someone who follows all the dirtsheets or trolls reddit. Think about it as a totally fresh fan, who just got into it, to them it would be like “whoah”. I think it was a good documentary, I just wanted more, which shows they did their job.
@@nadiahassan5307 not every time you want more did they do their job. Sometimes they didn’t give enough because they couldn’t. I’m not a crazy dirt sheet guy. I follow wrestle talk here and there but not a deep dive. This wasn’t a dirt sheet type of thing. They told us this already. Rock said in multiple interviews he wanted to do “Rock 10.0” and created the final boss character. It was cool to see a few behind the scenes rehearsals and backstage interactions but it didn’t give you any meat. Who came up with the avengers assemble like finish idea? What was the reaction when they pitched it? Was Stone Cold going to be involved? Did they rehearse this? Was the trucks n the background of Rock beating up Cody actual Easter eggs? What was Cody’s reaction when they told him he was winning it? Also wrestlemania 40 wasn’t great just because of the main event. What was the pivot like booking Drew and Seth? What was the conversation like when they told Damien Priest he’s cashing in? How did they get Ishiw speed involved? Bailey vs Iyo had a match of the night, talk about that. It just felt like a more in-depth retelling of what we already knew. If fans are watch a youtube doc on Wrestlemania they are fans who keep up with the basic coverage of everything. They told this story on Raw, Smackdown, and Wrestlemania. They just added on at the end. Most fans didn’t learn much.
The one thing they didn't touch on was how HHH felt about changing the Main Event to Roman vs Rock, and whether or not he told Rock that the fan reaction might not be what he expected. I wonder if HHH went along with it because he knew the fans would force a change, seeing as how we'd been invested into Cody's story for two years.
Not to mention, Triple H was literally present for the stuff with Daniel Bryan and Roman, seeing what happens when you respect the fans, (WM30) and when you don't (RR2015)
As far as I’m concerned the “we want Cody movement” hindered the storyline. The storyline was supposed to be Cody taking it upon himself to go against the script and go against the will of the company to insert himself into the main event… but the fans are sooooooo arrogant that they spent the entire build to WrestleMania congratulating themselves for influencing the booking, when they actually didn’t, but then the company pivoted the story to fit the narrative the fans constructed after the fact so it made sense.
@@Robby_C i can see that perspective, but you also have to look at WWE as a product/loom at the storyline from a meta perspective to get why they chose that (not necessarily why it's better or not): By having the "we want Cody movement/Cody Crybabies" angle, they framed Cody as the people's champion, and were basically able to portray Roman+Rock V Cody as a "the audience vs the corporation" moment, which makes it easier for people to root for Cody (because, in most cases, at least I'd hope, people want to root for an underdog screwed by The Man, instead of The Man). Not to mention that highlighting how much people wanted Cody, they were able to kind of drown out anyone who actually wanted a Rock V Roman and make them look like a vocal minority. Sure, it's sloppy storytelling, but it's also storytelling that makes fans feel good to be a part of it, and made Cody's victory feel like a communal catharsis, which, in the realm of entertainment, is more of the goal. TL;DR the fan movement influence stuff makes the story shakier, but it also made it more emotionally investing for the fans, which is what's important for building hype.
@@MilkyWayGrump yeah... except it feeds the mentality that the fans "know" more than the people actually in the business, and reenforces that literally acting like petulant children anytime something doesn't go their way immediately will get them what they want. Rather than actually watching the story develop as a FAN should.... They were literally trying to re-start the "anything can happen on live TV" feeling of the attitude era and fans were just like "SCRIPT SCRIPT SCRIPT" when a LARGE portion of this storyline was based on extremely real circumstances. All of that gets overlooked so fans can be proud of themselves.... which in the long run doesn't actually do anything for Cody. Dave Legreca is an embarrassment.
@@Robby_C here's the thing - it's a balancing act. You have to keep the fans wanting and occasionally give them something they didn't know they wanted, but also, it's unfair to act like fans can't tell when something just sucks.
@@MilkyWayGrump Youre missing my point completely... they completely missed the "give them something they didn't know they wanted" thing because they were too busy complaining about "booking" and "backstage" stuff. They couldn't let the story breathe for an hour before they all hopped on the internet making demands and literally crying.
There was one part in the documentary that made me laugh because you can definitely tell The Rock’s ego was hurt from the backlash of stealing the main event from Cody but I’m glad we got what we wanted in the end
It was kind of a repeat of Cody's documentary from last year but with the different ending this time. I always like watching the docs but I always remember they're still promotional materials for WWE and as much as they like to say it's a real look behind the curtain, they'll continue only to show us what they want to, as they should.
When Cole promoted the doc on tv he meant it when he said "peeling back the curtain a bit". Just a bit though. There were no scenes of Cody with another other member of the storyline, no handshaking with the rock, no hug with Roman, no disagreements with Triple H. I liked the doc, it got me hyped up to relieve the wm 40 but overall it was just a good recap and no more Than that. I am sure in the future we will get a proper documentary with all the people involved voicing their thoughts but for now we will have to make do with this.
It felt like they shot their whole load in the first fifteen minutes. "The crowd didn't like it so we pivoted." There was absolutely nothing new for the next three quarters of the episode outside of some BTS footage of rehearsal for entrances.
This was a doc produced by WWE. They showed us exactly what they wanted us to see. As much as there are "real" moments, i think it's safe to say they're also telling a story. Maybe it's a chapter of the story that wasn't as satisfying as we wanted it to be. But assume they're setting up stuff to pay off later. I think they should have earned some trust in their storytelling for us to allow them to continue to play this out.
That "doc" (it's always dangerous to say something you produce yourself is a doc) was kinda confirming that the biggest problem for WWE moving a creative vision forward is The Rock's ego walking through the door wanting a Wrestlemania main event, and Paul Levesque navigating the pampering of The Rock into a position where they can go forth with the Cody story. I can live without the rock is this how it goes... HHH's comparison to setting the destination in his gps couldn't be more correct, but man it's crazy that he got there. I just hope that The Rock on the board won't be a problem going forward.
@@pleaseshutup7053When he became WWE Champion in 2013 and cost CM Punk a chance to main event Wrestlemania for a rematch with John Cena that did not need the title.
Y’all just tagging the rock’s ego to everything though you’ve never seen it in real life. It’s just the stereotype you put on everyone successful. He wanted a wrestlemania walking through the door because he put in the work years ago to do it. It’s that valuable. Every former mega star dies it not just rock. Dying had a wrestlemania walking through the door but you didn’t say that about him… They thought it would be a no brainer and thought it would be the bigger match. They underestimated the power of Cody’s story. Rock seeming this always being willing to put over someone heard the fans and pivoted to being heel like he’s done time and time again…that’s how he got over in the first place. Stop forcing the ego angle on him.
@@pleaseshutup7053 I wasn’t speaking to that but the proves my point even more. People act like he or any highly successful person has to be a complete shit person. Punk who people think is self centered volunteered to lose. Rock chose to be a villain once they pivoted which put Cody over even more. People can actually do thinks with out a selfish motivation. People love to harp on successful people have to be immoral or else they feel bad for their lives and this gives them the moral high ground. If it’s a moral reason then they can feel like a “better person” for not being successful.
What? The rocks ego? How did the rocks ego play any part in the outcome of the story? Everybody was begging for Roman vs the rock for YEARS and they were finally gonna do it but the rock put his EGO aside to build a story that resulted in Cody vs Roman. Paul didn't pamper to anybody except the fans. Him, the rock, Cody, Roman, Seth, they ALL saw how the fans were reacting and made multiple adjustments as the story went on to fit the fans wants and needs of Cody vs Roman
"dangerous" ... 🤣 as if its some sort of exposé on working conditions or something... What is this comment? Have you ever watched pro-wrestling? You do realize you are getting worked right?
They probably don't want to show Roman from this side because he's still a heel and that would have forced a face turn. But you also have to be careful that you don't trigger something with a documentary like this that you might end up regretting. I think that's why there were fewer OOC interviews with Reigns/Rollins. I think they brought Cody over a bit more and explained to us why he sometimes seemed like a poodle. They also manifested the Final Boss image even more.
"Let The Rock drop some Gospel on your punk ass" Like he said, the rock made wrestling cool again. Wrestling became cool again because of only 1 person: The Final Boss.
It wasn't real hate. It was hate that came with the story they were telling. Without the hate we don't get Cody vs Roman. The fans didn't actually hate the rock, they fed into were the story should go and that resulted in the rock receiving hate
As much as I'm a "Cody Crybaby" that dislikes him for a bunch of reasons, some outside of this fiasco some within... this is *objectively* true. Dwayne introduced a dynamic to the storyline, and brought a specific type of villain energy outside of Roman's, that was a required shock to the system for Cody Vs Roman II to have basically any hype whatsoever.
@@WhoisU_45 there's plenty of fans who think rock is lying or think he should have gone away or that this documentary was made to make the rock look good
I should’ve explained it better in my tweet about not liking them putting out the documentary now. I get you have to have a ending to the actual documentary for the shows sake but maybe extend that out a year. Wait until Rock vs Cody happens next year or the next big match and then release it. They might end up making a part 2 of it next year. That would feel like a more complete story because your getting the triumphant champion having to face the final boss or whoever is going up against him at next years Mania..
I honestly think WWE announced the original date as a reaction because if you remember the Wednesday after Mania was the episode of Dynamite where they aired the Brawl In footage
1:54 the undertaker already talked about this. He said that he was there he was in the box watching wrestlemania and at the last minute they were like hey do you wanna do something and he was like OK?
The Roman Documentary was called "The Unreality of Pro Wrestiling" by Super Eyepatch Wolf: ruclips.net/video/UaDAzXVycR4/видео.htmlsi=BKvq72_Klb7ZYXII Let me tell you as a fan since The Undertaker Debuted, and even still remember bits of Hulkamania. WWF/WWE can put together a beautifully executed documentary, but the deep dive that Super Eyepatch Wolf did, and the journey he takes you on, are better than every product WWE has released in terms of Documentary style looks at things. The fact that he made on his own, and as a passion project makes it even better, and the cherry on top is he structures it in a way that the non-fan can digest. In fact the video, as he says within it, is aimed at the non-fan, and that documentary was how I was able to finally explain to so many of my non-fan friends, and even my wife, what I see and what the rest of us see when we watch wrestling. There's also the fact that it's structured with such heart, and even has a sub-documentary about Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens within it, which contrasts, yet intersects with the story so much, it'a masterpiece. The only other documentary that comes close is "The Ressurection of Jake The Snake", which I'm not sure would hit you quite the same, as someone my age who saw those guys when they were still larger than life, but I will say, as a man who seems to talk about his feelings in the same way I feel I approach emotion and the love for wrestling, it will absolutely touch your heart. WWE makes great hype reels of their own accomplishments, but outside the company documentaries dive deep and don't pull punches. I could go on about this for another 20 minutes, but as someone who has watched every WWE produced documentary since their inception, the people outside the company always produce the better informational product. WWE always just pumps it own product, which I don't mind, but it's not even close to what Super Eyepatch Wolf delivered us. Love your channel and your content by the way, definitely subbing to your Patreon, and looking forward to more from you. Welcome to the WWE Universe, we're a diverse and wild bunch, but the love of this great form of entertainment brings us all together, and I'm so glad to see new fans, such as yourself, discovering it and how beautiful it truly is. And you're producing a growing and amazing channel and giving back to the community, truly a huge fan. Super Eyepatch Wolf also has a few other shorter wrestling documentaries, they are abosutely worth watching, I'd even love to see what your reaction or at least thoughts to them is, seeing them as a new fan, as opposed to a long time fan like me.
This wasn’t Roman’s story, his spot remained the same the entire time. This was the story of Triple H booking WM, of Cody’s fans making sure he got the main event he deserved, The Rock’s involvement and how he pivoted due to the situation and Seth’s plans changing because of Punk’s injury. Roman always was going to have that main event spot didn’t matter against who it was. That’s why he didn’t appear as much This is literally the documentary of how they pivoted the build. It’s not the entire Mania build.
The entire documentary is a work. Brilliant stuff. If you actually think Cody went into business for himself, even though they told the cameras to keep showing Roman and Cody's interaction at the rumble. You're insane. This just made Cody look better. They know in 2024, not only is the tv show have to be a work, but even the behind the scenes that they "give us a peel behind" is even a work. It's giving mtv cribs.
I personally i got the vibe that the rock nick and Ari did not communicate with triple H the idea of Roman v Rock then try force him but triple h wrote them in such corner that they had no choice but go Cody v Roman but of course it was all rock idea to pivot
Watching the doc i felt that The Rock with his relationship to the new owners forced himself into the picture. Triple H having little input on it. Like this is what we are doing now. The pivot is think was mostly Triple H and not the rock like he made it seem like.
The Rock is the type of person to do that. In his younger years, he wasn't but since he started doing Hollywood full-time, over time his ego went up to an unbearable level. There are too many stories about his ego but I can tell you two big ones. The Rock was cast as the black adam. Originally he was to be a character in the Shazam movie but he suggested that black adam give his movie, directed by himself. He was hoping that he would gain major control over DC. Then there is the whole WrestleManiaxl where he went over triple H back and changed the plan and even suggested he would win the title.
I'm kind of torn on watching this. Im fine with documentaries breaking kayfabe. Ive watched a ton of them. But I dont know how I feel about watching this while the story still isnt over. I feel like it may be difficult to suspend my disbelief while we get Rock/Cody, Rock/Roman etc. However, after watching this video Im closer to watching .
The Rock is someone I really can’t get a read on. Sometimes he seems like the nicest guy on the planet. But sometimes he just seems like a massive egomaniac who lies about eating the same fast food for the first time multiple times, refuses to let his movie characters get hurt to much, buries wrestlers like Eric Rowan and CM Punk, tries to force himself into the Mania main event over someone people have been heavily invested in, and has Muhammad Ali’s widow give him the “People’s Championship” as she is accepting her dead husband’s induction into the hall of fame.
I think it's very clear that he's a glory-hogging hard-ass who just so happens to be one of the only one of those types who's actually internalized their PR training and knows how to make himself look good/minimize how bad some of his more egocentric actions look. I think that's why a lot of people say Black Adam "broke him": he gambled his entire image of humility and caring about the fans on one project, and the gamble didn't pay off. No matter how far he tries to go behind the curtain, or how good his effects and tricks are now, the general public will still always remember that they saw the Wizard of Oz try to forcefully change the hierarchy of power in the DC Universe.
@@MilkyWayGrumpthat or the whole thing with him and Oprah and his constant lying about minor things (which all people do, him just on some excessively stupid shit) his backstage drama
@@MilkyWayGrumpI don’t get it with the whole he’s a bad guy because he wanted to make black Adam a certain way. He went against a Hollywood studio which directors and producers do all the time except he’s the talent. I don’t think he’s a bad guy because he had a vision and did what it took to make it happen. It happened to be a flop and shows he has mediocre taste but that’s it. Dude put people over time and time again including this time but for some Redon people just says he glory hogs.
None of what you've jus listed in enough for valid 'hata'. Hating someone over fast-food? Just seems to be picking at something that's not there. I you want someone who buries talent, look towards Triple H and Cena. Not the Rock's fault that he actually backed off, when the fans voiced that. People are nit-picking about that too.
@@rooyanblan5322 it’s not “hating someone over fast food”. It’s pointing out that the fact that there being multiple videos of the Rock eating In-N-Out for the “first time” makes him seem incredibly fake. It is also a fact that he buried CM Punk and really the whole Wyatt family. He only backed down when it became crystal clear that Rock vs Roman wouldn’t work.
Here is something I'll tell you about wrestling. We will not here about most of the stuff you want to know until these guys are retired and talking about it on their podcast. Even in 2024 they still want to try and keep some semblance of kayfabe alive.
the more I move away from this the more I think this is a story beat. like Sam Roberts says; Everything counts. I think we have a new definition of Kayfabe in today's Pro Wrestling. a kayfabe where the audiences knowledge of Wrestling is taken into account and that is also factored into the story telling. The "Documentary" was a work and the Rock putting himself over through most of it, is designed to make him into this magnanimous character who gave the people what they wanted, so when he eventually turns out to be behind the actions of Bloodline 2.0 it will be more shocking.
Maybe because Rock was the only new component here, while Roman and Cody have already put all their cards out on the table prior to Mania 40? Roman and Cody have already docs themselves.
*I disagree with your first and second take. You guys are acting like the doc was scripted, this was real life, real time. You can’t get footage from everything that happened on bless you wanna watch a 3 hour long doc*
0:02 before this video starts I have a huge problem with these fucking documentaries. They need to quit advertising them at wrestling events and during wrestling programming because kids are watching this. I am so thankful that I got to watch wrestling as a child and believe and everything that was happening my fucking superheroes were real. I didn’t find out this shit was scripted or whatever the fuck you wanna say until I was like 16. The documentary honestly makes it less cool
Come on dude. It’s a TV show like any other. Every show/movie has a behind the scenes. Many right after the show airs. If you’re letting your kids believe this is real your kids disappointment is your own. They don’t need to watch the documentary. They don’t need to think it’s real to have heroes.
Rock pretending he didn´t tried to hijack the main event was cute, but the biggest joke was he suggesting that he was the one to say, nah we should go with Cody. Sure Rock, sure.
@@pleaseshutup7053 mate someone came to him and told him that was about to become a shite show, it wasn´t his idea to bow out, that BS. This new WWE is about the fans, they weren´t about to fuck up the goodwill that they built with the fanbase, wich was very hard to do, gain back that trust, just for a match between part timers, because after that match both leave and WWE is on the shite.
@@pleaseshutup7053 so you´re now comparing storyline beats to getting rid of Cody, not having him lose again to Roman, completely getting rid of him after a two year build. Comparing that to, oh but people wanted Gable to beat Gunther LOL, same shite. Oh and now we´re pretending Rock doesn´t have a massive ego, we´re also pretending Cody´s story wasn´t the main driver of WWE success in the last two years, we´re pretending the doc wasn´t delayed 3 months. Then again, you are the type of person unable to have a normal convo without starting throwing around insults and emojis like a little kid so i don´t know why im wasting my time with you.
@@pleaseshutup7053 Roman was also involved with the Cody finish the story narrative, he was also a massive part of it. Re who is the biggest star in WWE right now, mate just look at the numbers, those speak a lot better than i could´ve. Again, you mixing simple booking decisions like Gable losing to Gunther, with straight up scrapping your biggest storyline and straight up benching your biggest babyface and the future of your company for two part timers. Thats now how WWE works, that was the Vince way with Brock, with Goldberg. Rock though he could come back and hijack the main event of Mania, he was wrong and if reports are right, even Roman wasn´t okay with that, Roman was committed to see this two year storyline through.
This was a self indulgent experience for the WWE and the Rock. The Rock literally tried to take Cody's spot and when it didn't work out fixed an obvious terrible booking decision and proceeds to take credit for the match happening.
The note: Maybe use people's interest in the Cody/Rock stuff to promote the rest of the card. They could have given a 10 minute talk to each of the other matches and it not been too much of a digression but show how there are many-many spinning plates to manage.
@@pleaseshutup7053 That is why you just give them smaller sections, but by giving them some focus you give interest to them. Nobody gets more interested if it is not focused on.
“Kayfabe is dead now” because marks who think they know more than they actually know can’t tell when something is actually real. They presume everything is the same micro-managed, scripted to the syllable, Vince McMahon nonsense, because they don’t actually know anything else. Nothing about this documentary “broke” kayfabe because most of the storyline was actually real…. The only part that wasn’t “real” was them actually trying to permanently hurt eachother. This is so frustrating.
10:25 - i love how he said "we" as if everybody consumes all the same level of content.... i'm sure there were plenty of people who only know what was shown on TV prior to watching that.... the arrogance of internet marks never ceases to amaze me.
The whole thing was rock trying to save face, like sure bud you showed up and changed plans and then it was also your idea to go back to Cody vs Roman, because the power should go back to the people 😂😂😂 there’s a reason they delayed the release
@@Dporticus the pivot was part of the work, it all went off according to plan, otherwise this is the first time in wresting history that the fans were listened to. They want to make them think that, and did a damn good job of it. The storytelling is a lot better now.
I highly doubt that the pivot was decided on from the way beginning. This wouldn't be the first time the fans were listened to. We got Daniel Bryan and Kofimania from all the fan backlash. Batista would have been champion after Mania. One of the reasons he came back at that time was that he was promised a final run with the title but the fans were all-in on Daniel Bryan and would not have taken it any other way...
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Done and done!
This “documentary” was more of a half kayfabe / half shoot story that was really meant to continue to push the Cody/Rock narrative.
Rock mentioned a few times that he came up with XYZ thing (the rock/roman match was his idea, the pivot was his idea, the final boss was his idea, the teaser with Cody on the Raw after Mania was his idea 😂).
This didn’t feel like a “documentary” so much as a story building opportunity.
Lol well the rock vs Roman match and the final boss gimmick was obviously the rocks idea. Lol
Literally the entire angle and the matches were half shoot/half kayfabe… idk what people were expecting. But fans are so worried about sounding smart talking about “booking” that it went right over their heads
@@Robby_CI get that. It was very obvious during the story. I thought this “behind the scenes documentary” was going to dive into ALL of Mania XL and we could get some real stories like “this is how the idea for Cena and Taker came about”, or a look at Seth’s story, Drew, Punk, Damien, etc.
Ultimately this felt less like a behind the scenes and more of a “The Rock has all the best ideas” Rock heel promo 😂
@@thelastquincy1457EVERYTHING was Rocks idea 😂 he went from the best idea ever (Rock v Roman) then he had the next best idea ever (letting Cody finish his story) then he had the next best idea ever (the tag match) then he had the next best idea ever (the final boss) 😂
@@nicholasmcghee1824I guess in my eyes the story of this WrestleMania was the Roman/Cody/Rock stuff. That’s what all the mainstream attention was on. That was the big story that “made pro-wrestling cool again.” And it was a unique combination of long term booking and pivoting when something interesting happens.
I think it a little side angle was supposed to be peek into how the “new” WWE does business as a way to reset the expectations and presumptions of the internet fans.
I think they underestimate how thick headed a lot of wrestling fans are though lol
I feel that it was so heavy on the "what are we doing with Cody". It was cool to hear his side but I would have loved to hear more about how it was decided that he was going to win and end Roman's streak. What was his or others reactions to Roman losing? When was it decided that he was going to lose and who made that call? And of course like you said, I wanted the behind the scenes of the interferences getting involved
It was a nice documentary but have to admit I wished they focused on other matches too as that helped shaped Wrestlemania 40 help to be built. Yes the Cody Story was the main focus but some other time focused on the some other matches like Drew’s story going into it, showing backstage when Priest won the title and so on. Yes again the Cody story and Rock is the main point but give at least 10 minutes on other points within the show as they have done in past documentaries including the 24 ones that focused on past Wrestlemanias.
DAMN The improved camera quality is INSANE (also I loved the documentary)
Thank you!
Thanks for the inclusion! It's the first time I got featured in a video, so it's a memorable moment that I'll treasure forever.
Tbh I don't think they revealed much that we didn't already know because we all knew they had to pivot. But it was still very well done but I agree that it did feel a bit rushed at the end
I think we didn’t get much info about after the match, especially Roman’s feelings and reactions, because that’s the only-going story. How is Roman going to return? What is he thinking? Is he mad at the rock? Cody? With it being on WWE’s RUclips channel I think they’re trying to keep that little sliver of kayfabe alive.
Edit: commented this before you mentioned it. So I agree with that commenter.
The Undertaker said on his podcast that he didn’t know he was going to be involved until moments beforehand… so there was literally nothing to talk about.
I really like how you’re doing new reviews of stuff. You throw in our comments, it’s a very unique way to include your subscribers that I haven’t seen other RUclipsrs do outside of “Hot takes”
Undertaker has spoken multiple times on his podcast about what led to his appearance at Mania. The doc was about the "pivot" and I thought it delivered.
Then it could have been half as long and stopped after the pivot.
I’ve been watching pro wrestling many decades, on and off as a kid in the 80’s and I started watching weekly around 1995. So you can call me an old school pro wrestling fan. I agree with the guy who said kayfabe is dead and that WWE is exposing too much, too soon. This documentary is further proof that Triple H is not the creative genius he gets credited for being. He’s made minimal changes and his long term booking is inconsistent. He lets some talents shine while others get nothing. And they should have used this “behind the curtain” documentary to set up the characters involved for future storylines. Imagine an in character Roman Reigns talking about his disappointment of losing on the big stage since he said nothing after the match. It could’ve been used to further set up his babyface return. They could’ve used it to setup Cody and Rock even more than Rock teased it before he left. You could have had Seth Freakin’ Rollins also giving us his disappointment in losing but had him tease getting payback on Roman. There’s endless possibilities that Triple H could’ve done but instead, we get this real look at WM 40. Lame.
I feel like everyone was confusing this for the “WWE Day Of” docuseries they do where we see people backstage before and after their matches and see people celebrate and all that good stuff. This was strictly about the Cody vs Roman match and the booking that went into it.
This documentary was meant to be about the Cody/Rock pivot. It was pretty clear to me from the ads that that was what it would be about, so I enjoyed it.
THIS IS CRAZY! The first minute and 30 seconds of your video, sir I almost word for word said what you said, to my girlfriend after we watched the documentary. The documentary needed to be another 20 minutes of the rehearsals of like John Cena coming out, talking to him for a minute, and then the aftermath of the match. Again, just like you said, it was just a recap of the night events of the actual match.
I would love a wrestling movie that is all about booking
Seemed like it didn't want to touch on any scripting or predetermined results for the matches. Doc tried to play it out like nobody knew what would happen in the matches so it can't show them planning out the match or interference. Wwe gets very wierd about kayfabe in documentaries.
One thing I did find disappointing is the fact they didn't really reveal why Roman vs Rock didn't end up happening at Wrestlemania 39. All we got was "Things didn't work out"
The person who said “didn’t say things we didn’t know”, the thing is right, you would only know the ins and outs if you are someone who follows all the dirtsheets or trolls reddit. Think about it as a totally fresh fan, who just got into it, to them it would be like “whoah”.
I think it was a good documentary, I just wanted more, which shows they did their job.
@@nadiahassan5307 not every time you want more did they do their job. Sometimes they didn’t give enough because they couldn’t. I’m not a crazy dirt sheet guy. I follow wrestle talk here and there but not a deep dive. This wasn’t a dirt sheet type of thing. They told us this already. Rock said in multiple interviews he wanted to do “Rock 10.0” and created the final boss character. It was cool to see a few behind the scenes rehearsals and backstage interactions but it didn’t give you any meat.
Who came up with the avengers assemble like finish idea? What was the reaction when they pitched it? Was Stone Cold going to be involved? Did they rehearse this? Was the trucks n the background of Rock beating up Cody actual Easter eggs? What was Cody’s reaction when they told him he was winning it?
Also wrestlemania 40 wasn’t great just because of the main event. What was the pivot like booking Drew and Seth? What was the conversation like when they told Damien Priest he’s cashing in? How did they get Ishiw speed involved? Bailey vs Iyo had a match of the night, talk about that.
It just felt like a more in-depth retelling of what we already knew. If fans are watch a youtube doc on Wrestlemania they are fans who keep up with the basic coverage of everything. They told this story on Raw, Smackdown, and Wrestlemania. They just added on at the end. Most fans didn’t learn much.
@@nadiahassan5307 I did not intend on writing that much lol
The one thing they didn't touch on was how HHH felt about changing the Main Event to Roman vs Rock, and whether or not he told Rock that the fan reaction might not be what he expected. I wonder if HHH went along with it because he knew the fans would force a change, seeing as how we'd been invested into Cody's story for two years.
Not to mention, Triple H was literally present for the stuff with Daniel Bryan and Roman, seeing what happens when you respect the fans, (WM30) and when you don't (RR2015)
As far as I’m concerned the “we want Cody movement” hindered the storyline.
The storyline was supposed to be Cody taking it upon himself to go against the script and go against the will of the company to insert himself into the main event… but the fans are sooooooo arrogant that they spent the entire build to WrestleMania congratulating themselves for influencing the booking, when they actually didn’t, but then the company pivoted the story to fit the narrative the fans constructed after the fact so it made sense.
@@Robby_C i can see that perspective, but you also have to look at WWE as a product/loom at the storyline from a meta perspective to get why they chose that (not necessarily why it's better or not):
By having the "we want Cody movement/Cody Crybabies" angle, they framed Cody as the people's champion, and were basically able to portray Roman+Rock V Cody as a "the audience vs the corporation" moment, which makes it easier for people to root for Cody (because, in most cases, at least I'd hope, people want to root for an underdog screwed by The Man, instead of The Man). Not to mention that highlighting how much people wanted Cody, they were able to kind of drown out anyone who actually wanted a Rock V Roman and make them look like a vocal minority. Sure, it's sloppy storytelling, but it's also storytelling that makes fans feel good to be a part of it, and made Cody's victory feel like a communal catharsis, which, in the realm of entertainment, is more of the goal.
TL;DR the fan movement influence stuff makes the story shakier, but it also made it more emotionally investing for the fans, which is what's important for building hype.
@@MilkyWayGrump yeah... except it feeds the mentality that the fans "know" more than the people actually in the business, and reenforces that literally acting like petulant children anytime something doesn't go their way immediately will get them what they want. Rather than actually watching the story develop as a FAN should.... They were literally trying to re-start the "anything can happen on live TV" feeling of the attitude era and fans were just like "SCRIPT SCRIPT SCRIPT" when a LARGE portion of this storyline was based on extremely real circumstances.
All of that gets overlooked so fans can be proud of themselves.... which in the long run doesn't actually do anything for Cody.
Dave Legreca is an embarrassment.
@@Robby_C here's the thing - it's a balancing act. You have to keep the fans wanting and occasionally give them something they didn't know they wanted, but also, it's unfair to act like fans can't tell when something just sucks.
@@MilkyWayGrump Youre missing my point completely... they completely missed the "give them something they didn't know they wanted" thing because they were too busy complaining about "booking" and "backstage" stuff. They couldn't let the story breathe for an hour before they all hopped on the internet making demands and literally crying.
stay to the end for a surprise! :) great stuff as always dude!
There was one part in the documentary that made me laugh because you can definitely tell The Rock’s ego was hurt from the backlash of stealing the main event from Cody but I’m glad we got what we wanted in the end
It was kind of a repeat of Cody's documentary from last year but with the different ending this time. I always like watching the docs but I always remember they're still promotional materials for WWE and as much as they like to say it's a real look behind the curtain, they'll continue only to show us what they want to, as they should.
When Cole promoted the doc on tv he meant it when he said "peeling back the curtain a bit". Just a bit though. There were no scenes of Cody with another other member of the storyline, no handshaking with the rock, no hug with Roman, no disagreements with Triple H. I liked the doc, it got me hyped up to relieve the wm 40 but overall it was just a good recap and no more Than that.
I am sure in the future we will get a proper documentary with all the people involved voicing their thoughts but for now we will have to make do with this.
It felt like they shot their whole load in the first fifteen minutes. "The crowd didn't like it so we pivoted." There was absolutely nothing new for the next three quarters of the episode outside of some BTS footage of rehearsal for entrances.
This was a doc produced by WWE. They showed us exactly what they wanted us to see. As much as there are "real" moments, i think it's safe to say they're also telling a story. Maybe it's a chapter of the story that wasn't as satisfying as we wanted it to be. But assume they're setting up stuff to pay off later. I think they should have earned some trust in their storytelling for us to allow them to continue to play this out.
That "doc" (it's always dangerous to say something you produce yourself is a doc) was kinda confirming that the biggest problem for WWE moving a creative vision forward is The Rock's ego walking through the door wanting a Wrestlemania main event, and Paul Levesque navigating the pampering of The Rock into a position where they can go forth with the Cody story.
I can live without the rock is this how it goes... HHH's comparison to setting the destination in his gps couldn't be more correct, but man it's crazy that he got there. I just hope that The Rock on the board won't be a problem going forward.
@@pleaseshutup7053When he became WWE Champion in 2013 and cost CM Punk a chance to main event Wrestlemania for a rematch with John Cena that did not need the title.
Y’all just tagging the rock’s ego to everything though you’ve never seen it in real life. It’s just the stereotype you put on everyone successful.
He wanted a wrestlemania walking through the door because he put in the work years ago to do it. It’s that valuable. Every former mega star dies it not just rock. Dying had a wrestlemania walking through the door but you didn’t say that about him…
They thought it would be a no brainer and thought it would be the bigger match. They underestimated the power of Cody’s story. Rock seeming this always being willing to put over someone heard the fans and pivoted to being heel like he’s done time and time again…that’s how he got over in the first place. Stop forcing the ego angle on him.
@@pleaseshutup7053 I wasn’t speaking to that but the proves my point even more. People act like he or any highly successful person has to be a complete shit person. Punk who people think is self centered volunteered to lose. Rock chose to be a villain once they pivoted which put Cody over even more. People can actually do thinks with out a selfish motivation.
People love to harp on successful people have to be immoral or else they feel bad for their lives and this gives them the moral high ground. If it’s a moral reason then they can feel like a “better person” for not being successful.
What? The rocks ego? How did the rocks ego play any part in the outcome of the story? Everybody was begging for Roman vs the rock for YEARS and they were finally gonna do it but the rock put his EGO aside to build a story that resulted in Cody vs Roman. Paul didn't pamper to anybody except the fans. Him, the rock, Cody, Roman, Seth, they ALL saw how the fans were reacting and made multiple adjustments as the story went on to fit the fans wants and needs of Cody vs Roman
"dangerous" ... 🤣 as if its some sort of exposé on working conditions or something...
What is this comment? Have you ever watched pro-wrestling? You do realize you are getting worked right?
If you check out Undertaker's podcast, he has an episode where he talks about the lead up and his reaction to his spot.
They probably don't want to show Roman from this side because he's still a heel and that would have forced a face turn. But you also have to be careful that you don't trigger something with a documentary like this that you might end up regretting. I think that's why there were fewer OOC interviews with Reigns/Rollins. I think they brought Cody over a bit more and explained to us why he sometimes seemed like a poodle. They also manifested the Final Boss image even more.
I don't get the rock hate, his involvement in this story is what helped this become an all time wm. Let him take any credit he wants to give himself
It wasn’t a wrestlemania documentary it was a documentary about how the rock came back to WWE and how Cody felt about possibly not finishing his story
"Let The Rock drop some Gospel on your punk ass"
Like he said, the rock made wrestling cool again. Wrestling became cool again because of only 1 person: The Final Boss.
It wasn't real hate. It was hate that came with the story they were telling. Without the hate we don't get Cody vs Roman. The fans didn't actually hate the rock, they fed into were the story should go and that resulted in the rock receiving hate
As much as I'm a "Cody Crybaby" that dislikes him for a bunch of reasons, some outside of this fiasco some within... this is *objectively* true. Dwayne introduced a dynamic to the storyline, and brought a specific type of villain energy outside of Roman's, that was a required shock to the system for Cody Vs Roman II to have basically any hype whatsoever.
@@WhoisU_45 there's plenty of fans who think rock is lying or think he should have gone away or that this documentary was made to make the rock look good
Taker did some Interviews with some RUclipsrs about his involvement in the show. Good watch
I should’ve explained it better in my tweet about not liking them putting out the documentary now. I get you have to have a ending to the actual documentary for the shows sake but maybe extend that out a year. Wait until Rock vs Cody happens next year or the next big match and then release it. They might end up making a part 2 of it next year. That would feel like a more complete story because your getting the triumphant champion having to face the final boss or whoever is going up against him at next years Mania..
Honestly I recommend Dropmick Wrestling for tribute videos for storylines. That channel got me to love wrestling.
Would love to see you give thoughts on more wrestling docs. Especially the Undertaker ones.
everyone is taking the documentary as a fact, but I guarantee you most of it is just kayfabe
1:50 Taker talked about this on his podcast if you want to check it out
I honestly think WWE announced the original date as a reaction because if you remember the Wednesday after Mania was the episode of Dynamite where they aired the Brawl In footage
1:54 the undertaker already talked about this. He said that he was there he was in the box watching wrestlemania and at the last minute they were like hey do you wanna do something and he was like OK?
The Roman Documentary was called "The Unreality of Pro Wrestiling" by Super Eyepatch Wolf: ruclips.net/video/UaDAzXVycR4/видео.htmlsi=BKvq72_Klb7ZYXII Let me tell you as a fan since The Undertaker Debuted, and even still remember bits of Hulkamania. WWF/WWE can put together a beautifully executed documentary, but the deep dive that Super Eyepatch Wolf did, and the journey he takes you on, are better than every product WWE has released in terms of Documentary style looks at things. The fact that he made on his own, and as a passion project makes it even better, and the cherry on top is he structures it in a way that the non-fan can digest. In fact the video, as he says within it, is aimed at the non-fan, and that documentary was how I was able to finally explain to so many of my non-fan friends, and even my wife, what I see and what the rest of us see when we watch wrestling. There's also the fact that it's structured with such heart, and even has a sub-documentary about Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens within it, which contrasts, yet intersects with the story so much, it'a masterpiece. The only other documentary that comes close is "The Ressurection of Jake The Snake", which I'm not sure would hit you quite the same, as someone my age who saw those guys when they were still larger than life, but I will say, as a man who seems to talk about his feelings in the same way I feel I approach emotion and the love for wrestling, it will absolutely touch your heart. WWE makes great hype reels of their own accomplishments, but outside the company documentaries dive deep and don't pull punches. I could go on about this for another 20 minutes, but as someone who has watched every WWE produced documentary since their inception, the people outside the company always produce the better informational product. WWE always just pumps it own product, which I don't mind, but it's not even close to what Super Eyepatch Wolf delivered us.
Love your channel and your content by the way, definitely subbing to your Patreon, and looking forward to more from you. Welcome to the WWE Universe, we're a diverse and wild bunch, but the love of this great form of entertainment brings us all together, and I'm so glad to see new fans, such as yourself, discovering it and how beautiful it truly is. And you're producing a growing and amazing channel and giving back to the community, truly a huge fan.
Super Eyepatch Wolf also has a few other shorter wrestling documentaries, they are abosutely worth watching, I'd even love to see what your reaction or at least thoughts to them is, seeing them as a new fan, as opposed to a long time fan like me.
This wasn’t Roman’s story, his spot remained the same the entire time. This was the story of Triple H booking WM, of Cody’s fans making sure he got the main event he deserved, The Rock’s involvement and how he pivoted due to the situation and Seth’s plans changing because of Punk’s injury.
Roman always was going to have that main event spot didn’t matter against who it was. That’s why he didn’t appear as much
This is literally the documentary of how they pivoted the build. It’s not the entire Mania build.
The entire documentary is a work. Brilliant stuff. If you actually think Cody went into business for himself, even though they told the cameras to keep showing Roman and Cody's interaction at the rumble. You're insane. This just made Cody look better. They know in 2024, not only is the tv show have to be a work, but even the behind the scenes that they "give us a peel behind" is even a work. It's giving mtv cribs.
I think this was made to make the rock look better
I personally i got the vibe that the rock nick and Ari did not communicate with triple H the idea of Roman v Rock then try force him but triple h wrote them in such corner that they had no choice but go Cody v Roman but of course it was all rock idea to pivot
Watching the doc i felt that The Rock with his relationship to the new owners forced himself into the picture. Triple H having little input on it. Like this is what we are doing now. The pivot is think was mostly Triple H and not the rock like he made it seem like.
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The Rock with more lies about this being his idea 😭. Nothing new 😒
It felt like the entire point of the doc was to put Rock over, i do not believe it was his idea to pivot back to Cody vs Roman
The Rock is the type of person to do that. In his younger years, he wasn't but since he started doing Hollywood full-time, over time his ego went up to an unbearable level. There are too many stories about his ego but I can tell you two big ones. The Rock was cast as the black adam. Originally he was to be a character in the Shazam movie but he suggested that black adam give his movie, directed by himself. He was hoping that he would gain major control over DC. Then there is the whole WrestleManiaxl where he went over triple H back and changed the plan and even suggested he would win the title.
Also how he tried taking over the fast and the furious saga. Damn near replaced Dominik lol and then got a fucking spin off movie
its black adam
@@doshi066 thanks.
The PS at the end caught me off guard 😂
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I'm kind of torn on watching this. Im fine with documentaries breaking kayfabe. Ive watched a ton of them. But I dont know how I feel about watching this while the story still isnt over. I feel like it may be difficult to suspend my disbelief while we get Rock/Cody, Rock/Roman etc. However, after watching this video Im closer to watching .
I hate reliving the worst wrestlemania in history because I love my tribal chief but yeah, I like it as well
The Rock is someone I really can’t get a read on. Sometimes he seems like the nicest guy on the planet. But sometimes he just seems like a massive egomaniac who lies about eating the same fast food for the first time multiple times, refuses to let his movie characters get hurt to much, buries wrestlers like Eric Rowan and CM Punk, tries to force himself into the Mania main event over someone people have been heavily invested in, and has Muhammad Ali’s widow give him the “People’s Championship” as she is accepting her dead husband’s induction into the hall of fame.
I think it's very clear that he's a glory-hogging hard-ass who just so happens to be one of the only one of those types who's actually internalized their PR training and knows how to make himself look good/minimize how bad some of his more egocentric actions look.
I think that's why a lot of people say Black Adam "broke him": he gambled his entire image of humility and caring about the fans on one project, and the gamble didn't pay off. No matter how far he tries to go behind the curtain, or how good his effects and tricks are now, the general public will still always remember that they saw the Wizard of Oz try to forcefully change the hierarchy of power in the DC Universe.
@@MilkyWayGrumpthat or the whole thing with him and Oprah and his constant lying about minor things (which all people do, him just on some excessively stupid shit) his backstage drama
@@MilkyWayGrumpI don’t get it with the whole he’s a bad guy because he wanted to make black Adam a certain way. He went against a Hollywood studio which directors and producers do all the time except he’s the talent. I don’t think he’s a bad guy because he had a vision and did what it took to make it happen. It happened to be a flop and shows he has mediocre taste but that’s it. Dude put people over time and time again including this time but for some Redon people just says he glory hogs.
None of what you've jus listed in enough for valid 'hata'. Hating someone over fast-food? Just seems to be picking at something that's not there. I you want someone who buries talent, look towards Triple H and Cena. Not the Rock's fault that he actually backed off, when the fans voiced that. People are nit-picking about that too.
@@rooyanblan5322 it’s not “hating someone over fast food”. It’s pointing out that the fact that there being multiple videos of the Rock eating In-N-Out for the “first time” makes him seem incredibly fake. It is also a fact that he buried CM Punk and really the whole Wyatt family. He only backed down when it became crystal clear that Rock vs Roman wouldn’t work.
Here is something I'll tell you about wrestling. We will not here about most of the stuff you want to know until these guys are retired and talking about it on their podcast. Even in 2024 they still want to try and keep some semblance of kayfabe alive.
the more I move away from this the more I think this is a story beat. like Sam Roberts says; Everything counts. I think we have a new definition of Kayfabe in today's Pro Wrestling. a kayfabe where the audiences knowledge of Wrestling is taken into account and that is also factored into the story telling.
The "Documentary" was a work and the Rock putting himself over through most of it, is designed to make him into this magnanimous character who gave the people what they wanted, so when he eventually turns out to be behind the actions of Bloodline 2.0 it will be more shocking.
Production wise, 11/10. Story wise, meh. Rock stuff is cool. HHH stuff is cool. Cody stuff is cool. I wish it had more Roman and Seth.
Yeah, was expecting a lot more. It didn't show anything we don't already know. A 4/10 documentary for me.
Love your content, my opinion this documentary is a fluff piece for the Rock. Felt like it was more about him that anyone else involved.
It was very Rock focused for sure
Imo He made the Wrestlemania build way better than it would have been.
Maybe because Rock was the only new component here, while Roman and Cody have already put all their cards out on the table prior to Mania 40? Roman and Cody have already docs themselves.
I can't help but suspect that the documentary was delayed because it originally made the Rock look much worse and that did not work for his ego.
*I disagree with your first and second take. You guys are acting like the doc was scripted, this was real life, real time. You can’t get footage from everything that happened on bless you wanna watch a 3 hour long doc*
0:02 before this video starts I have a huge problem with these fucking documentaries. They need to quit advertising them at wrestling events and during wrestling programming because kids are watching this. I am so thankful that I got to watch wrestling as a child and believe and everything that was happening my fucking superheroes were real. I didn’t find out this shit was scripted or whatever the fuck you wanna say until I was like 16. The documentary honestly makes it less cool
Come on dude. It’s a TV show like any other. Every show/movie has a behind the scenes. Many right after the show airs. If you’re letting your kids believe this is real your kids disappointment is your own. They don’t need to watch the documentary. They don’t need to think it’s real to have heroes.
Rock pretending he didn´t tried to hijack the main event was cute, but the biggest joke was he suggesting that he was the one to say, nah we should go with Cody. Sure Rock, sure.
@@pleaseshutup7053 mate someone came to him and told him that was about to become a shite show, it wasn´t his idea to bow out, that BS. This new WWE is about the fans, they weren´t about to fuck up the goodwill that they built with the fanbase, wich was very hard to do, gain back that trust, just for a match between part timers, because after that match both leave and WWE is on the shite.
@@pleaseshutup7053 so you´re now comparing storyline beats to getting rid of Cody, not having him lose again to Roman, completely getting rid of him after a two year build. Comparing that to, oh but people wanted Gable to beat Gunther LOL, same shite. Oh and now we´re pretending Rock doesn´t have a massive ego, we´re also pretending Cody´s story wasn´t the main driver of WWE success in the last two years, we´re pretending the doc wasn´t delayed 3 months. Then again, you are the type of person unable to have a normal convo without starting throwing around insults and emojis like a little kid so i don´t know why im wasting my time with you.
@@pleaseshutup7053 Roman was also involved with the Cody finish the story narrative, he was also a massive part of it. Re who is the biggest star in WWE right now, mate just look at the numbers, those speak a lot better than i could´ve. Again, you mixing simple booking decisions like Gable losing to Gunther, with straight up scrapping your biggest storyline and straight up benching your biggest babyface and the future of your company for two part timers. Thats now how WWE works, that was the Vince way with Brock, with Goldberg. Rock though he could come back and hijack the main event of Mania, he was wrong and if reports are right, even Roman wasn´t okay with that, Roman was committed to see this two year storyline through.
This was a self indulgent experience for the WWE and the Rock. The Rock literally tried to take Cody's spot and when it didn't work out fixed an obvious terrible booking decision and proceeds to take credit for the match happening.
😮 so wait Roman Reigns wasn't in the documentary
He contributed very little to the actual behind the scenes interviews
@@Dporticus oh okay
The note: Maybe use people's interest in the Cody/Rock stuff to promote the rest of the card. They could have given a 10 minute talk to each of the other matches and it not been too much of a digression but show how there are many-many spinning plates to manage.
@@pleaseshutup7053 That is why you just give them smaller sections, but by giving them some focus you give interest to them.
Nobody gets more interested if it is not focused on.
“Kayfabe is dead now” because marks who think they know more than they actually know can’t tell when something is actually real. They presume everything is the same micro-managed, scripted to the syllable, Vince McMahon nonsense, because they don’t actually know anything else.
Nothing about this documentary “broke” kayfabe because most of the storyline was actually real…. The only part that wasn’t “real” was them actually trying to permanently hurt eachother.
This is so frustrating.
it wasnt legit and roman's side of things wasnt showed at all
10:25 - i love how he said "we" as if everybody consumes all the same level of content.... i'm sure there were plenty of people who only know what was shown on TV prior to watching that.... the arrogance of internet marks never ceases to amaze me.
The Rock is almost as bad as Hogan when it comes to constant BS.
Wrong
The whole thing was rock trying to save face, like sure bud you showed up and changed plans and then it was also your idea to go back to Cody vs Roman, because the power should go back to the people 😂😂😂 there’s a reason they delayed the release
The doc was to show you that the Rock angle was in fact a work from the beginning.
But that's the opposite of what they said. They said they did pivot.
@@Dporticus the pivot was part of the work, it all went off according to plan, otherwise this is the first time in wresting history that the fans were listened to. They want to make them think that, and did a damn good job of it. The storytelling is a lot better now.
@@dirtymcnuggets9933 I'm pretty sure I saw a rock interview on ESPN where he confirmed that they pivoted after listening to the backslash
I highly doubt that the pivot was decided on from the way beginning. This wouldn't be the first time the fans were listened to. We got Daniel Bryan and Kofimania from all the fan backlash. Batista would have been champion after Mania. One of the reasons he came back at that time was that he was promised a final run with the title but the fans were all-in on Daniel Bryan and would not have taken it any other way...
It was so disappointing and all about The Rock 😴😒