Keystone Isn't For Beginner Skiers/Snowboarders
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2023
- Keystone is one of Colorado's best ski resorts if you are an advanced skier or snowboarder! If you are a beginner there are simple better options for you and your family to have a better and safer time on the ski slopes.
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I do think the bunny hill on top of the mountain is a nice touch. Gives beginners the ability to get the top of mtn experience without having to ride all the way down.
Good point 🤘🏼
I disagree. As a beginner you will expend a lot of energy working out the correct mechanics. The lack of oxygen at 13000 feet makes this process WAAAAAAY harder. It is much easier to learn at the base at 9000 ft . When I have beginner friends come and visit i always take them to the base beginner area to learn before going to the summit.
@mikebatl1 good point. My only experience teaching someone is with my wife, and she loved it. Maybe the altitude just wasn't a problem for her but I see how it could be.
If you're a first timer and you've ended up at Keystone, consider doing the Scout run first as mentioned in the video. The run is a lot shorter than schoolmarm and you can walk back if you give up. Ideally you'd spend some time before your first day watching some YT tutorials or guides (things like snowplow wedge into wedge christe) and going with an experienced friend instead of going the first time with no preparation. The better you prepare ahead of time as a beginner, the easier it will be. Spend some time by the Summit House on flat ground before doing anything on the hill. Practice walking in your skis to get a feel for them. If you've never skied before look around to see what others do. Snowplow is fine at the beginning to stop, but it will wreck your legs, so after you get the hang of it you want to work on parallel skiing where you keep both skis pointed together.
I completely agree with the review from a beginner skier's perspective. The problem with most online reviews of resorts is that nearly everyone is advanced or expert skill level and they completely forgetten how hard it was to learn and the need for gradual progression. I refer to this condition as "expert's disease."
Pros:
Probably one of the better "bunny/learning" hills - _and_ one learning area is at the top - so you get the "Colorado" ski experience even as a first-timer. Excellent.
Learning runs are serviced by chair lifts (As a dude, I hate platters)
Green (although rather hard green) from the top to bottom - if you have the legs for it. Ideal for a "seasoned" beginner or better.
Slightly less expensive lessons (vs Vail or Breck). Discount lift tickets with group lessons available (like all Vail resorts).
I've never been scanned for Discovery or the carpet lift in Mountain House base, perhaps I simply got lucky. If you never advance off the bunny hill, you can get a refund for the lift ticket (we did this for my wife).
Night skiing (sorta)
Plenty of non-skier/rider activities at Keystone or nearby.
Cons:
The jump from learning hill to anything else is massive - crowds, difficulty and length conspire against the novice skier. Go to Break Peak 9 instead.
Lines for Discovery can be 20 minutes or longer - which is a bit long for a short learning run.
Learning run chair lifts are slow fixed grip doubles. Breck's are all high speed lifts.
Parts of Schoolmarm would be classified as a blue at other resorts - especially if you are familiar with East coast resorts. Yes, there are mellow sections, but there are also relatively steep sections too that require a lot of terracing. If you are still a novice skier, it might take 90+ minutes to get down. Breck has a more diverse selection of greens which makes for a more natural progression.
Progression: Bunny, learning hill, QuickSilver runs (Base 9), Rip's Ride runs (Peak 8), 5 Chair greens (Peak 8). Four O'Clock from 5 Chair all the way back to town. If you can ski all that without falling/walking and a degree of confidence - you're ready for Schoolmarm at Keystone or a Breck easy blue (Cashier/Bonanza).
For all intense purposes, Keystone only has one "green" run - Schoolmarm - with a few alt routes that branch off and on from it. That's it. It also serves as a highway to other, more advanced runs - so you're mixing with all ability levels. And, not everyone understands the word "slow" LOL. I'd wait until you can do easy blues at Breck before going back to Keystone.
The bottom line is that you want to be comfortable and confident skiing/riding, otherwise you're just surviving.
I completely agree with Schoolmarm. As someone that learned on the East Coast how to ski, the first time I went to Keystone and got on Schoolmarm I couldn't help but think how steep this was for a green.
@@stevenle1760 Yeap. I have since skied Endeavor and Scout - which are short and relatively easy greens (also Discovery). Still a big jump from the bunny hill but not nearly as bad as Schoolmarm or other greens at Keystone. But, even going from Scout to Schoolmarm is a big jump in skill and endurance.
@@stevenle1760 And moreover, if you are an intermediate lapping the Montezuma Express, you have to use Schoolmarm to get to blue trails like Paymaster and Wild Irishman.
I have taught two of my kids at Keystone. It worked well and they are now skiing blues, Mozart is there favorite. The youngest (2 year old) starts this year at Keystone. Yet I totally agree in what you are putting down. I learned at Keystone when I was 10 and my dad took me to the top of Schoolmarm. Took me 3 hours to get down but at the bottom I knew what to do. I totally think there are better places but part of it for me is that is where I learned so that is where I am teaching my kids. Part of it too is that as a dad it gives me confidence to know the mountain like the back of my hand.
Hes 100% correct on Peak 7 at Breck. Not really blue at all and not crowded like Schoolmarm is morning noon and night.
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I grew up in the 90's skiing this mountain every year. Do not be scared off because of this video. My little brother and sister also grew up going down those runs.
Fully agree with what you said about Keystone. I've been skiing in the midwest from 2008 to 2018. Then my buddies and I went to Keystone and a-basin for our first Rockies experience. Even with skiing for 10 years, I struggled a lot that first time going. I then went once a year to Keystone from 2018 to 2021 and moved out here in 2022. I'm good now going down the blues and some black diamonds, but it took a while for me to get used to the terrain. Keystone I think is a great place for intermediate skiers/snowboarders. I think the three different peaks gives a lot to offer, but they aren't as easy as the blues/greens in breck
100% agree. My very first day on a snowboard was on schoolmarm and it was miserable. I spent the rest of the season learning at A-basin and eldora and it was great. I went back to Keystone at the end of the season and it was much more enjoyable.
dude this is seriously the best / most helpful video for beginners out west ive watched thanks for the love and dedication!!
Yes!!!
Man, executive management at Key just loves you right now. lol
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I totally agree about schoolmarm, but for people who you know don't have as much fear jumping onto skis or a board should hit it because it challenges you in every way all the way down. By the time you're hitting the bottom possibly hours later as a newbie you've learned SO much with the right teacher!
If you’re a beginner, you shouldn’t go to any of those resorts. Save yourself some time and money and learn to ski or ride at Echo or a local hill. It will be SOO worth it.
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Echo, Ski Cooper, Granby Ranch and Loveland Valley are all great options for beginners - especially if a friend will be helping you. Keystone/Breck are fine if you take lessons since the discount on lift tickets is actually pretty great if you combine it with group lessons. My main issue is the lack of early progression at Keystone.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xcgranby has gone up price wise a crap ton since 2021, kind of expected though
@@JasonTaylor-po5xcwhat about small kids who ride smaller resorts in the Midwest?
@@marketingmasters3550 If you live in the Midwest or have a compelling reason to go there (relatives/friends) - then small Midwest resorts can be a good place to learn or get your ski fix. But, it is normally cheaper to fly into Salt Lake City or Denver than most Midwest cities, so they aren't great "destination" resorts. I used to ski in West Virginia when it was within driving distance. When I moved to Florida, WV was significantly less desirable, so we just flew to Colorado instead. Also, once you have skied Rocky Mountain snow, it spoils you.
This is my first season, like ever. My first day on a snowboard was on top of keystone. Hit the bunny run at the top once then straight to schoolman. Trial by fire I guess because now i feel like I can crush most of the blues at key. And if you can start at key and get good, a lot of the other mountains are going to be a blast. 10/10 would start on keystone again.
This is what I’ve been saying about keystone for years!! Thank you!!
I'm watching this after trying out keystone for the 1st time. And yeah! the blues at keystone are way harder than the blues at breck! It was incredibly steep!
My entire family learned on Schoolmarm & Silver Spoon and I think having one or two really long wide green runs is a perfect place for your first day. The reason is familiarity and less time spent on a lift or in line. You don't need (or want) to be bouncing across several shorter green runs on your first/second day, instead you want to become familiar with a run and lift and be able to focus on learning technique not experiencing the wonders a resort has to offer, save that for day 3. Besides, if you have any athletic ability at all and can confidently water ski, skate board, wake board or whatever without wiping out constantly you *should* be able to move on to most of Keystone's blue runs on your second day, and that exponentially broadens your access to Keystone including North Peak and Outback's blues.
Very accurate report. I love Keystone but it simply doesn't have alot of wide open and not so steep Green runs that can build a beginner's confidence. My vote is for Beaver Creek. Yes, it's a bit more expensive but they have plenty of great green terrain spread out over much of their resort.
Copper Mountain also in Summit County has a bunch of good wide open greens
Yes!
I went to Keystone as a beginner and had a great time.
I started at keystone, while i do agree with the lack of green runs it isn't that bad. I can ski blue runs after only 2 times skiing keystone is heaps of fun and 100% recommend.
Schoolmarm is amazing! It's such a scenic trail to cruise. I could do it all day.
I like skiing on blue runs but river run still scares me. Mostly because of all the people keystone gets so crowded
Right!
Coming in December,Can’t wait !
Awesome 🙌🏼
As a beginner at Breck you will spend your whole day in lift lines and avoiding the hoards of other punters taking up every square inch of the run. If you can get more space to do your turns and longer green runs at Key then thats the best place for a beginner. If your legs get pumped you can just go inside.
Dude you’re so right, my son and I love riding at Keystone! But I’ve never thought about how few green runs there are, and never considered Schoolmarm being a long terrifying experience for beginners. Thanks for the perspective and another great video brother!
I learned on Schoolmarm at 40 years old on a snowboard.
That’s rad!
I can agree with this the first time I went snowboarding was at Keystone and it was hard. It was all cramped up in the place where I was learning people kept blocking me, but it is a really fun place to ride, but it’s just hard to learn it.
Yes that is my point. Great place! Hard to learn 🤘🏼
00:48 oh, you're that guy....
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I haven't boarded since the days of 36 hours of Keystone, so it might be different now days. Seemed easy back then.
I think that this is a little bit off lol as I’m sitting here 5th day ever and shredding down the mountain now thanks to all the beautiful blues and greens there are! This mountain is definitely a solid choice!
good to know, ill definitely have to check keystone out when i get the chance.
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@@JohnathanBuckhouse I always rock telluride, and I need to look at a new colorado resort haha
Yes I agree but this is where I always go and its always so packed keystone is very fun when you go to some other mountains because there is more like outback but those are for the more advanced stil i do agree keystone is not very sqfe for beginners because its always so pact it does not have enough good green runs love this video thanks for explaining
Yeah the green get insanely busy on weekends because they don’t have a lot! Forget to mention that 😬
A 3 mile green run sounds fun! But only because I'm a 3rd season green runs enthusiast XD
Yes 🙌🏼 it is great once you learn!
So Excited for this year! Hoping you hit sunrise az this year!! I will take the day off and show up haha!!
We are going to try!!
Which is the best mountain if im intermediate but havent strapped into a board in 15 years?
Breckenridge or keystone 🤘🏼
this is still very accurate! I am just getting into skiing and went to keystone first (live in denver) and yeah after taking a class i felt out of my depth at the rest of keystone. Looking up some video runs of the greens in breckinridge seemed waaaaay more accessible compared to what i was attempting at keystone. definitely agree that breck is probably a better place, just keep in mind it is more expensive for just about everything over there.
My favorite also. Terrain, moguls and lots of acreage.
I recommend Angel fire it has 1 really long good green for learning that has hard green and easy green then lots of blues its good!!
LOL I learned how to Snowboard at Keystone. The 1st time I did so many cartwheels walked and sliding all the way down dercum. The people I went with thought I would never be back. It's been 15 years and haven't missed a season.
Mcoy park in braver creek is actually really nice
Schoolmarm made me who I am.
Also, Peru is where it's at!
Me too 😂
i learned how to ski at key stone when i was younger was so fun but everything else but those few blues and green are the only thing you can do for awhile
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Exactly! The learning areas might be OK for a newbie on a first or second day, but beyond that, all there is is one novice run that also serves as access to several runs for more advanced skiers/boarders. It's really a pretty terrible situation. And the main blues on Dercum, are solid blues, so not a good spot for novices (unlike the blues on Peak 7 at Breck).
Keystone desperately needs to create a run parallel to Schoolmarm, and split the traffic to the blue runs from the novices (it's in their old master plan). Still wouldn't be a lot of Green terrain, but at least that could make novices more comfortable.
when I was a beginner I skied down scoolmarm.
Sick!
it was pretty fun ngl
I definitely agree with this video although I can also respect people who learn there. I learned on Keystone at a young age and I gotta say, It basically cultivated me into being as good as I am now. In my opinion, Keystone is a rough start but a huge payout to those who can learn on Keystone slopes. Forever will Keystone be my favorite spot.
What runs open for the beginning of the season?
Schoolmarm
Johnathan are you coming to AZ Snowbowl this season?
I hope so!
Lol, I've been out twice, we're going on a 4 day trip to keystone. My best friend is a pro skier, other best friend is a seasoned beginner, and me and my brother and very beginner.
Is copper a good resort for semi advanced beginners?
Yes it is 🤘🏼
I never put 2+2 together before and realised that the reason they're Called "cat tracks" is that they're access for snow cats 😂....maybe it's because I've always called them piste bashers lol
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Funny enough my first ever colorado mountain (michigan boy here) was keystone back in like 2000 or 2001. Did a week there, then a couple days at breck and then topped in off with 3 or 4 days at a-basin....hows that playlist for a barely intermediate rider back then haha. That was back before keystone had a park lol. Watched the iirc the vans tripple crown at breck. Small jumps were bigger than michigan big jumps but so much easier to ride. Almost died getting to it though. Quickly learned a double black in colarado =/= double black in michigan. Whatever that shortcut looking run to get to the other peak where the park was while in fact short was insanely steep and covered in mougals. I think 2/3rds the way down i just hiked out. The new years party at the base of keystone was amazing though idk if they still do it but that was wild.
Dude this is an awesome comment 😂 Thanks for sharing 🙏🏼
i learned to ski at keystone at age 4 and so did my daughter.
That’s rad
When they opening
I wish I knew!
What’s so knarly about river run? It’s a blue run.
The top is black
My only concern for beginners at Keystone would be to avoid the lower part of River Run leading back to the gondola. Want to really learn? Go to Ski Cooper near Leadville.
I agree with everything you said
Winterplace WV please i put it on the map last year i believe or at least i attempted to
I would love too!
Hoping you see this. We are between Breckinridge and Keystone. 4 beginner skiers and 1 intermediate. I think I understand that Breck will have easier/more green and blue runs for us. Is my research correct?
I don’t want to be in your way at Keystone, but I like that resort better.
You are correct!
You had me at 41% blacks
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The thing keystone has going for it is that the ski school costs less than breck, at least in prior years
is it april 1st?
What?
I wish you would of made this video 4 years ago, lol! I would absolutely agree with you. There are many sections of schoolmarm that are way steeper than many of the greens at Breck.
That is also true! Forgot to mention that.
I'd think it is for beginners, unless you are worried about overcrowding. Schoolmarm is great for beginners who have mastered bunny slopes. It even has rest stops to help people adjust to its length.
can't agree more
I feel like folks get experts disease once they are able to do blues with any degree of confidence. As a beginner skier, I disagree. It isn't about crowds, although they don't help. The issue is progression. While the learning areas are actually great (I hate platter lifts) - there is basically nothing to progress to. Even lapping from Peru lift is aggressive for a novice skier. If you are an adult, you can't pizza your way down Schoolmarm. Breck's Peak 9 has at least 5 different trails you can basically point yourself downhill and do large sweeping turns to control speed. Then, when you are ready, you can do the greens of Peak 8 - which are only slightly more steep. After mastering all that with parallel turns, you are ready for Keystone greens. Then, back to Breck for easy blues.
@JasonTaylor-po5xc soo what you're saying is. The greens at breck by the quick silver lift are a mild degree slope? This is what I need. I've had some bad luck trying to learn. I'll be staying by the quick silver lift this December. Maybe this trip it'll finally click. Probably doesn't help owning a stiff camber board
@@respond_code3 The greens off the QuickSilver lift are long but not too long and very wide and mellow. They would make a great transition from Bunny and learning hill. Honestly, the hardest part of those runs is simply getting off the lift. If you can do that, you are golden. Near the bottom, there will be a sign for "easiest way down" that follows Kings Way - this avoids a more steep section of Silverthorne run.
@JasonTaylor-po5xc awesome. This is definitely what I need. In April Vail closed down all the greens except 1 at the top. It was narrow AF but I was happy I was finally snowboarding. Until the green turned unto a blue. I heard later it was from lack of snow. I basically got stuck up there. I literally sat on my snowboard and used my heels as brakes and held onto the binding and went sledding lol.
I don't wanna go through that again. Maybe breck will be the place I finally enjoy the sport a bit more. So far it's been a painful experience. Refuse to give up
Well thats disappointing. I'm staying at Breck this Dec 18th. About a 1 min walk from the quick silver lift. But since I Live in FL I thought it would be cool to hit up Keystone and Abasin since they are a 26 min drive away.
Mostly just to say I've been there. I add trail signs on my snowboard wall for every mountain I visit. But I'm still a beginner sadly. I only have 3 trail signs so far. Was hoping to add 3 more in 1 trip. I guess it depends how badly I eat shit at breck this trip. If I'm doing okay maybe I'll swing by Keystone.
If I have a epic pass I assume it could be used at 2 mountains in the same day. Like breck and Keystone?
Copper was on my list to vist at 40 min away but I saw they weren't on Epic. Emailed them to see if they do a half day pass and that was a no. Abasin said they used to do a 1/4day pass. But not sure if they're bringing that back this year
We’re going to keystone but we will take the drive to breck since we know nothing about skiing 🤣🤣 we’re from Texas any other pointers? We’re a family of 5 with 2 kids under 8. Or any other videos you recommend
If you guys can afford a day less, maybe a whole family group lesson. It will help so much. With skiing you should only have to do it once and than you will fully understand the sport.
@@JohnathanBuckhouse thanks for replying! Thanks for the suggestion! We’re looking into the lessons
Do they do night skiing every weekend???
Not any more! They used to night ski all the time but have cute it down to just the busy weekend of the season.
Super PROOF 🙏🎉😢!
No way thank you!!!
Still think any beginner can learn at any mountain no matter how many greens theirs are/how long they are. I learned at Abasin that only has like 2 greens.
Totally! I learned at keystone 😂
@@JohnathanBuckhousethen what is the point of this video😅
@@caldyyafeelmebasically there are mountains with better beginners and learning terrain.
@@caldyyafeelme What he said in this video is absolutely correct. Keystone does not offer many choices for 1st timers or beginners, other resorts like Breckenridge is more friendly for beginners in general. Without proper instructions or techniques, Schoolmarm is definitely a challenge. I went to Keystone with some experiences and struggled mightily on Schoolmarm. After two trips to Breckenridge, I finally found myself can enjoy keystone better this year.
@@superhapi2014 I just practiced till I’m comfortable with Scout and went down Schoolmarm. It’s scarier than Scout for sure, but manageable
This is a problem imo for all of the "resort" areas in Colorado. Best learner area in the state is Loveland Valley. Dedicated area. No advanced peeps weaving in and out. Other great place for beginners is Granby. Peak 9 is fine, but it's SO crowded esp on the weekends. Granby and LV for small crowds and easy slopes. West side of Copper is also okay, but the weekend crowds are awful.
Better late than never. Whats up dudes
Real
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I here the call of KEYSTONE CALLING!!!!!!!!!!
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Isn't Copper a really bad beginner's mountain too?
No it’s a great mountain for beginners, bad for advanced riders
Agreed
My son (a *huge* fan of yours I found out today!) says you actually live in Silverthorne like we do! He does Special Olympics at Copper Mountain. Good to see a local on the RUclipss. 😊
He does BOEC at Keystone and finally was able to do the entire of School Marm on his snowboard last year after switching from skiing a few years ago.
If you ever want to profile or collab with the Summit County Special Olympics team and come ski or snowboard at Copper, lmk! Sometimes we can get the Summit Daily out and maybe they could cover your channel too.
You may want to fix the "Advents skier" which I suppose is meant to be "advanced skier" in the description awesome vid though!
Thank you!!
@@JohnathanBuckhouse Id love to go to keystone one day to broke xd still trynna get enough to board this year not lookin great welcome to the economy XD have fun this season!!!
Yeah imo probably the best beginner hill in colorado is either breck or winter park. Breck for one because a new intermediate skier gets to hit up three peaks in one day not to mention the ton of greens at the bottom of peak 9. Its weird that keystone markets to families when other hills might have more greens. Winter park has a ton of stuff on the gemini thats good for newer skiers. Then once youre intermediate at WP, cranmer is a huge and mellow blue to hit it up….this comment was weitten before you mentioned breck in the video 😂😂😂
Hahaha love it dude! Thanks for your input 🙏🏼
I need 49 or perhaps 50 skiing shoes as 47 and 48 were too narrow for my wide feet. My normal size is 44 bear food or 45 lether or 46 normal or 47 important parties like funeral and wedding.
Does anyone know a shoe brand that sells wide shoes? Not just widened shoes, wide like bearfoot shoes that it goes wide to the end instead of some high heel killer cut at the end! Just like Donald Duck's feet 😂 wide and flat.
I started out at Breck and I would say the beginner area in Keystone gives so much more space to actually attempt to initiate and link a turn. Personally, Keystone has Breck beat a million times with their beginner hill. Also the instructors at Keystone are top notch. In 2 days I was going down Blues casually, making it through flats and hit a few minor trees. Overall recommend Keystone for first timers and beginners by far. Keystone had a family vibe and I got close with the actual instructors there, Breck rubbed me the wrong way and the instructors seemed less personable and more bent on holding back my progress. Personal opinion, but I'm taking my beginner sister and brother to Keystone this Dec.
I learned to ride at Keystone, Loveland pass, Loveland. Keystone is an amazing spot to ride but it’s definitely not for beginners.
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@@JohnathanBuckhouse it’s also my favorite spot to ride.
When will keystone open man im fiending
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Schoolmarth also has people bombing it 😅
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I learned how to ski here at the age of 6+ im a blue skier now so...
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Schoolmarm is where beginners go to cry. I've seen so many folks take their first timer loves one on schoolmarm thinking it's a great idea but for a green it's much harder than a bunny slope and crowded. It ends up 3.5 miles of terror for those first timers.
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I wanna go to Keystone!!
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Killington has one run that is 7 miles long. 3.5 is not that long.
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🤡 Begginers can learn on Keystone blues as well as the greens with the right teacher/friend helping. As an expert boarder I sleep walked the entire resort, even the trees. It seemed 80% of the area was really chill.
Stoked you killed it man 🤘🏼
Definitely because of the keystone incident but ok
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Being forced to do blue runs is a great way to get better fast lol
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L keystone for taking i70 again
Right lol
personally blue trails are better for beginners because the steepness allows you to stay more balanced on both edges of your board, on green trails the flatness makes it harder to move around
Yes, having a pitch does help but a Colorado blue is way too steep. Maybe in the midwest, this strategy will work.
Which runs do they do for the night skiing and snowboarding?
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