Yup it was foreshadowed in the Manga alot like when old man zangetsu was lending ichigo power vs kenpachi, the spiritual pressure is that of a hollow mask(true zangetsu) and since everytime ichigo has problems with his shinigami powers he is brought to the inner world in which its usually zangetsu(white) that teaches ichigo.
lol hahahah sharp cookie lol iweak from laughing ichigo was just confused and stupid at that time remember the first spiri t the guy saw was the stupid looking fake zangetsu so you really cant blame him up until he actually saw the hollow resemble him while it was in a shikai form and then bankai form come on ichigo lol
@@chilX3467 He was, and yet wasn't. He spoke no lies through this exchange: he was simply refusing to let Ichigo get them both killed. When Ichigo's instinct proved sufficient, he settled down as it was enough- and yet, he still gave him the warning not to let his guard down. Unlike other Zanpakuto, Zangetsu has the instinct of a Hollow. He will help and teach Ichigo, even protect him at times, yes... But, for that to happen, Ichigo must not show weakness.
@@redhawx4216 Don't think so. Isshin knew about it, so it wasn't exactly a surprise. Plus, if it were a steal of his Quincy powers, even if with them the soul reaper had gone, too, Young Yhwach wouldn't have been able to return.
I think Zangetsu was trying to teach Ichigo to have some killer instinct, and I suspect that's because the instict is key to how a shinigami-hollow hybrid summons their mask.
"Well here's your answer.. I'AM. ZANGETSU!!" "I told you I'M ZANGETSU!!" "I REFUSE TO PLAY HORSE TO A KING WHO'S WEAKER THAN ME!!" Funny isn't it. We all thought he was just a megalomaniac seeking to take over and cause chaos. Yet truth is he was trying to open ichigo's eyes and help him grow stronger.. this hits different looking back at it... this fight in question is one of those that marked me a lot. White zangetsu was always my fav char. And he always will.
It's also interesting where he just says he refuses to play horse to a weaker king, not that he refuses to play horse. He's not trying to take over his body, those words were a warning that if he ever becomes weaker than his own powers, they will consume him.
He never did. He was also always struggling to ensure Ichigo's survival- every time the mask flared up without Ichigo wanting it to, it was Zangetsu trying to deal with a threat Ichigo couldn't currently handle on his own. He also showed him how to perform Getsuga Tenshoo, and how to properly use both his Shikai and Bankai in battle.
@@kidcloud0 more like his Quincy manifestation complicated things a bit while both represent the core of his powers the True Zangetsu which is the representation of his Shinigami and Hollow powers was being suppressed by both the Quincy manifestation and Ichigo’s own mistaken consciousnesses which looking back seeing as Ichigo always seemed much more powerful when hollowfied purposefully or otherwise should’ve been a big clue to him
@@dayvonlouis5187i see it as Zan holds the Quincy power whilst Getsu Holds the Hollow Powah and they both hold half of the shinigami power. And thus both Zan and Getsu combined are Zangetsu after all Zan couldn't be a Zanpakto if he wasn't a part of Ichigo's Shinigami power
In the manga when Zangetsu goes "That isn't Zangetsu, I keep saying, that 'I' am Zangetsu." There's a panel where Ichigo is annoyed at him for continously saying and before Zangetsu facepalms Ichigo into one of those buildings, Zangetsu gives a look that says 'How many times does this idiot have to be told until he gets it.'
Technically he is zangetsu because he ichigo didn’t know he’s is the source of his power on his father side as soul reaper because his mom was attacked by Aizen too plus i wish he was a full soul reaper they would know at his father was a captain of 13 gates guard squad that would amaze
@@marteznelson-stephens9926 really want to see how his powers of form will differ when the white hollow didnt attack his mom and his mom is not a quincy what form would ichigo zanpakuto will be just like other soul reapers
I'd still say he's more hurtful than helpful here. He's like the negative aspects of Ichigo and his desire to protect others, until he trains in the dangai at least
0:18 Zangetsu: I am Zangetsu 0:32 Zangetsu: I told you i am Zangetsu 2:08 Zangetsu: I keep saying that i am Zangetsu 500 Episodes Later Ichigo: Ohh you were Zangetsu all the time? Zangetsu: I told you like 10 times already
This is proof that even the devil will tell the truth, but because its coming from him we would never believe him because of who/what he is. This is a flawless analogy that should make anyone reflect on life, do we live with the ugly truth? Or live in the denial of a comfortable lie?
What’s interesting is a took a somewhat different approach from this interaction. Zangestu is apart of ichigo, and is the way he is due to Ichigo’s trauma. It’s the fact that he was fused with the hollow that ichigo disdains zangestu and denies apart of himself. In order to get stronger and be whole, he had to accept that aspect of himself that he views as a stain. Zangestu isn’t evil, he is just the embodiment of Ichigo’s strong desire to win and protect his loved ones. It’s the fact that Zangestu was not what he desired , that he denies himself.
I just noticed when watching this again. A lot of times Ichigo would think and not fight at his potential with his Bankai. Zangetsu was there to teach him that he needs to fight with instinct instead of thinking. He needs to trust his Bankai and himself being the King which is Ichigo and the Horse being Zangetsu to become one.
If you think about the 2 zangetsus, the Zanpakuto have this brash bold personality. Considering this fact, him saying "i am zangetsu" Clearly isn't a lie, i mean he doesn't seem to be the type that lie either, he is overconfident with himself, thus everything comes from him always be the truth. Now the Quincy zangetsu however, is calm and collected, and while he lied nothing but his name, between him and the Zanpakuto, by nature, he would be the one that prone to lie, because he is careful and not as bold as the Zanpakuto himself. In the end, both are Zangetsu, which is why both can merge to teach ichigo final getsuga
Of course, they are both the two halves of Ichigo's soul. "Old Man Zangetsu" is his Quincy side from his mother (hence why it took the form of a younger Yhwach) and "Hollow Ichigo" is his Shinigami side from his father which fused with White, the hollow created by Aizen from Shinigami's souls that Ichigo inherited from his mother. The two Zangetsus always battled for dominance in Ichigo's soul until Ichigo himself managed to balance them when he discovered his heritage (even so, he still was in the process of controlling better his powers).
Interesting, White even explained how Ichigo's hollow and quincy powers work. His quincy and hollow powers are tied together. When one takes over the other is dormant. Basically 2 sides of the same coin
If Ichigo only had the proper mentorship from his dad or urahara and all relevant information about his powers, zangetsu wouldn’t have been able to give Ichigo PTSD.
@@Karma-pq9fi there's no other way for ichigo to see ghosts in the human form, it was always white zangetsu who gave him a amount of spiritual pressure
@@god4749 He is half Quincy and half Royal Shinigami, either of those things explain it rather easily. That's the explanation for why his sisters can see ghosts
It’s funny how Ichigo is even surprised that Zangetsu can do bankai when he’s literally modeled after him in every single way, from his body all the way to the sword. It’s anyone’s guess that Zangetsu can use Bankai
@@iam4026 Lol ichigo thought he cornered the hollow when he was about to activate bankai You can dee how hilariously frustrated ichi is when he sees the hollow hse bankai as well 😂
Now I realize Ichigo scared the hell out of Zangetsu at 3:08 when he uses the quincy shadow to recolor the sword in his guts. Because that was a quincy power, for sure, and Zangetsu knew he would fall to that power if Ichigo learned how to master it. But in the end, he fell to the sword, not que quincy arrow.
It looked like Zangetsu was more shocked that Ichigo finally took his advice on instinct and faught back using more of his own instinct. But there's an option as well.
He knew stuff about the sword ichigo couldn't even imagine The way he fought with the shikai was the same, throwing it and pulling it back with he wrap.
@@jaeger2780 M8: he doesn't know stuff about the sword. He IS the sword. It's like to punch with your fist or trying to punch moving your friend's arm.
That's because old Tensa Zangetsu's chain is longer than we thought it's always connected to Ichigo and Zangetsu so with a single hand gesture the Tensa Zangetsu sword can fly back into its wielders hand as their calling to it by its chain. Really ties into Tensa meaning Heavenly Chain
Amazing to see that people think this is when white Zangetsu began to protect Ichigo but forget that there was a hollow mask attached to Ichigo protecting him from damage earlier on in the soul society
You ever feel dumb, just remember Kurenai tried genjutsu on itachi and Ichigo told his own zanpaktou to watch him use Bankai like he wouldn’t be able to use it himself.
Y’all completely miss connection with face grab zangestu did to ichigo here 2:17 and how ichigos with zangetsu final form did to aizen bleach is actually imaculate and slept on! Same moves just way move power! Incredible
its funny to think white/zangetsu always fought against ichigo because he was showing how to properly use all the abilities of himself, like the sword swing or the streachable bandages, and then he just faked not being the zanpakutou after the horse talk because he doesnt really recognize white as his sword, and fears getting ichigo weaker by telling the truth
yes and no. He probably would've gotten stronger, but it would be a similiar case to Renji, Toshiro and Zaraki. The wielder not being strong enough to fully wield the bankai's true power. Ichigo in SS already was getting crushed by his own bankai as Zangetsu pointed out when he saved Ichigo from Byakuya. Just like Toshiro's body started to bleed during the arrancar arc when his bankai was close to reaching "full maturity" or how Zaraki literally broke his bodyparts for just using his bankai when it got forced on him. So at best, it would be a Zambimaru situation. Ichigo receives a fraction of his bankai because the zanpaktou wouldnt acknowledge Ichigo's skill but he would acknowledge Ichigo's dedication.
@@michaelshahoe I think that would be something he’d need to keep working on, but he would massively accelerate his growth. A good portion of Ichigo’s issues are his misinformed views of White, seeing him as an enemy to be mistrusted and rejected, rather than his Zanpakto, so he often discounts White’s advice about how to better utilize and control his power. Him accepting White as Zangetsu early on and actually paying attention to White’s instructions would head off a lot of trial-and-error he has to go through later on, and it would probably calm their relationship to Vitriolic Best Buds, or something similar. White is too aggressive by nature for their relationship to not be turbulent to some degree, but it’s exacerbated by frustration and worry, even if he won’t admit it
Well, White is a Hollow, it makes sense for him to use a Cero like attack like a Cero. Actually I’m pretty sure the Getsuga Tensho basically is a Cero. So again, makes sense. XD
During the fight against byakuya he said let me show you how to use bankai looking back never would've thought he was zangetsu don't you love when things go full circle
Yeah, as he'll die along with him, and also he's trying to help Ichigo, so he's a Zanpakutō who's rejected by his master which puts Ichigo's powers as a shinigami-hollow hybrid in imbalance
at this point its not even foreshadowing. he straight up told us to our faces and nobody believed him because of his hollow origins, nut he was indeed Zangetsu this whole time
Anyone else finds it funny that Ichigo's bankai resembled white's hands from his original form? Plus even Ulquiorra noticed that Ichigo's black getzuga is very similar to his black cero. Well no dhu since his zanpakuto is his hollow
0:10 - seeing this again is actually funny. Man, he's right in front of you 2:01 - I always wondered how Zangetsu was able to do this, but then I realized that this sword (Zangetsu) is actually himself and since he's the real Zangetsu and in possession of the real sword (you'll understand where I'm heading) he could've just destroyed that imitation. 3:09 - come to think of it... Two things here. One. So this is actually the continuation of the training that Ichigo had with Zangetsu while he was fighting Kenpachi (who, ironically, appears later to remind Ichigo of his fighting instinct). And what happens here is that Zangetsu (Hollow) actually gives Ichigo a sword for a battle, just like he did against Kenpachi. Also, I wonder, how could Ichigo feel any pain from that stabbing attack? And does he even feel pain here? Cause, as you might recall in his Final GT training he was impaled by this sword and didn't feel any pain, cause Zangetsu is part of him (Ichigo). So does he actually feel any pain here? 3:11 - second, quite ironic again. Since The real Zangetsu actually destroyed fake Zangetsu sword which was representative for Ichigo's quincy powers (Yhwach Zangetsu tried to compress Ichigo's real power) and then he gave Ichigo his real sword (white one) which Ichigo made his and is now using its powers. 3:41 - another interesting detail. So when Tensa Zangetsu stabbed Ichigo it gave Kurosaki the ability to use Final GT. But here, he actually stabs Zangetsu himself and gets to use his Hollow powers. So with this interesting detail and logic... I wonder, if Ichigo got to stab Zangetsu (Yhwach manifestation) would he be able to get access to his Quincy powers...Just wondering... Man, so many details in those previous fights are great when you finally know all the truth.
Really makes tough wonder given the alternate method of obtaining dormant Quincy powers 1. You have to be hit by a reishi arrow at your heart or above it like how Ryuken did to Uryu 2. Quincy spirit energy must mix into your own spirit energy and enter your body, ala Quilge's spirit energy from his jail mixed in with Ichigo's spirit energy from his desparate Getsuga Tenshou which returned to his body.
It really makes sense now that White would be so frustrated being told by the Shinigami Ichigo that he ISN'T Zangetsu when that's just not the case. Really explains White throughout the show. He just didn't want to die. Instinct White recognizes that without Ichigo, he has nothing which is why he refers to Ichigo as the "King" because he's the one in control of Ichigo's inner world and by extent his powers. But White gets equally stronger as Ichigo gets stronger because again, at this point White is Ichigo and Ichigo is White. Really goes to show the whole Yhwah Bach plot line was thought of since the nearly the start. It's also why Ichigo can't actually be hurt by White no matter how hard they both try - their Reatsu is practically the same so of course he can't be truly hurt by it. Plus, it shows how OMZ was REALLY holding Ichigo back. Convincing him that the hollow isn't his real power and making himself the catalyst for Ichigo's powers. Kubo is the GOAT
White Zangetsu actually is trying to teach Ichigo to make him stronger that someday he can overpower his quincy blood. Since Yhwach Zangetsu was supressing his real shinigami powers.
One thing i wonder when i see this...Did Zangetsu just actually tells the ending right there? His speech about instinct, the predator...Not wanting to" be a horse, to those weaker than him"(current Soul King). Then proceeds to reinforce the idea with "You're gonna get us dismembered, sliced to pieces (Yhawch, and the previous soulking) or,going further it's a prediction of ichigo fate, himself becoming the foundation of the world out of his weakness.... i also wonder now, whether his shadow overtaking white, thus "stealing what is his" (Which actually resembles what Yhawch did after merging with the soul king, a lot), is the answer to that, or if it means he's actually falling to submission... In a way, it even might show right here and there what his true Bankai does, as a potential divider,creation... Reverting the hollow to himself.
ichigo is a idiot early on, he needs to be taught the very hard way to get stronger, even if it means marking him with fear forever as long as he can keep being stronger to survive
This fight is also true to how others zanpatou treated their shinigami when bankai training. If the owner is weak the sword won't give them full control just like Renji and Toshiro.
Man, I wish we could get a look at Zangetsu in the TYBW arc, I love the character so much so seeing the two interact, even briefly, after ichigo acknowledges the truth would be sick. Maybe in the hell arc
everyone is saying they are shock at who Zangetsu really is. nOW THAT tybw IS OUT. Yall should have deeped the King and his Horse message from then Zangetsu is the GOAT!!
Wouldn’t it be crazy if his hollow was his real Zanpaktou and OMZ was just fakin the funk this whole time? But that would never happen, right guys? …guys?
0:18 Zangetsu: I am Zangetsu 0:32 Zangetsu: I told you i am Zangetsu 2:08 Zangetsu: I keep saying the i am Zangetsu 500 Episodes Later Ichigo: Ohh you were Zangetsu all the time? Zangetsu: I told you like 10 times already
Looking back on the series, you realize what Old Man was saying when he told Ichigo about Kenpachi's Zanpakuto how it was screaming because it couldnt form a connection. Zangetsu did the same thing when Ichigo rejected him by trying to take over his body. He was trying to convey his frustrations on Ichigo and his speech about the "king and his horse" is the same kind of relationship a Shinigami has with their Zanpakuto; the instinct to become one being and an extention of eachother.
Dayumm. I just watched bleach and this white ichigo was really the real zangetsu. Lmao. I thought white ichigo was like a kind of Virus that hijacked the black zangetsu.
0:39 this explanation actually is somewhat wrong, when you think about the current context; Hollow ichigo being the legit zangetsu, means ichigo was drawing on his power this whole....so by this explanation, hollow ichigo shouldve been weakening, while "zangetsu" gained more control..... But in actuality, as ichigo gained bettee control of his soul reaping powers, his hollow/zanpaktou/white zangetsu began to surface even more....
no because Zangetsu (white ichigo) and Ichigo are the same, so the more ichigo was incresing his shinigami powers the more zangetsu became powerful and the more his shinigami powers grow the less the quincy power are strong enough to hold him back, becasuse shinigami powers are bigger than quincy.
Uh no, you’re just a bit low IQ. If you use shinigami powers more, they don’t weaken. They get stronger If you lift weights more. You don’t get weaker you get stronger.
Dude nah you're mixing things up 💀 this voice originally belongs to white. The sonic fans just thought it would fit fleetway's super sonic so they uses it a lot on him in fanmade Content.
Best Bleach husband everr!!!!! Damn Zangetsu has this skull that is really giving me xray vision abt how he is so effin hot af 😊😊😊😊😍😍😍😍😍 makes his look like a handsome phantom and like his horn of salvation power og mm!!! 😂😂😂 hahah . He is so seductively curvaceous ❤ Omg and how he almost turned into a human soul 😊 wow I want even more of that ❤
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Zangetsu really did tell us he was zangetsu all that time ago didnt he?
Yup it was foreshadowed in the Manga alot like when old man zangetsu was lending ichigo power vs kenpachi, the spiritual pressure is that of a hollow mask(true zangetsu) and since everytime ichigo has problems with his shinigami powers he is brought to the inner world in which its usually zangetsu(white) that teaches ichigo.
@@lovableairheadmile6809 u mean young ywach* not zangetsu XD.
@@ILaist i know i was referring to white as zangetsu and young yhwach as old man zangetsu lol
yeah! he is the true zangetsu
@@ejaylicong1862 yeah I think it will be revealed in the next episode or two
"Now tell me where did you learn to use Bankai like this" - not really a sharp cookie, our young protagonist.
why am I laughing so hard at this comment 😭
lol hahahah sharp cookie lol iweak from laughing ichigo was just confused and stupid at that time remember the first spiri t the guy saw was the stupid looking fake zangetsu so you really cant blame him up until he actually saw the hollow resemble him while it was in a shikai form and then bankai form come on ichigo lol
Holly crap. Watching this back made me realize Zangetsu wasn't trying to kill Ichigo. He was trying to teach him that he is his real bankai.
He was still trying to consume his soul because that’s white zangetsu’s instinct as a hollow. So in a way he was trying to kill him.
@@chilX3467 He was, and yet wasn't. He spoke no lies through this exchange: he was simply refusing to let Ichigo get them both killed. When Ichigo's instinct proved sufficient, he settled down as it was enough- and yet, he still gave him the warning not to let his guard down.
Unlike other Zanpakuto, Zangetsu has the instinct of a Hollow. He will help and teach Ichigo, even protect him at times, yes... But, for that to happen, Ichigo must not show weakness.
Now there is another question. After seeing latest twby, is mugetsu one of ywach attempt to erase ichigo's power?
@@redhawx4216 Don't think so. Isshin knew about it, so it wasn't exactly a surprise. Plus, if it were a steal of his Quincy powers, even if with them the soul reaper had gone, too, Young Yhwach wouldn't have been able to return.
I think Zangetsu was trying to teach Ichigo to have some killer instinct, and I suspect that's because the instict is key to how a shinigami-hollow hybrid summons their mask.
"Well here's your answer.. I'AM. ZANGETSU!!" "I told you I'M ZANGETSU!!" "I REFUSE TO PLAY HORSE TO A KING WHO'S WEAKER THAN ME!!" Funny isn't it. We all thought he was just a megalomaniac seeking to take over and cause chaos. Yet truth is he was trying to open ichigo's eyes and help him grow stronger.. this hits different looking back at it... this fight in question is one of those that marked me a lot. White zangetsu was always my fav char. And he always will.
It's also interesting where he just says he refuses to play horse to a weaker king, not that he refuses to play horse. He's not trying to take over his body, those words were a warning that if he ever becomes weaker than his own powers, they will consume him.
@nekoluxuria7721 really cool point of view honestly.
Damn coming back to this, zangetsu never lied to Ichigo
He never did. He was also always struggling to ensure Ichigo's survival- every time the mask flared up without Ichigo wanting it to, it was Zangetsu trying to deal with a threat Ichigo couldn't currently handle on his own. He also showed him how to perform Getsuga Tenshoo, and how to properly use both his Shikai and Bankai in battle.
@@bragnir Zangetsu MVP. Ichigo just a bad student
@@kidcloud0 more like his Quincy manifestation complicated things a bit while both represent the core of his powers the True Zangetsu which is the representation of his Shinigami and Hollow powers was being suppressed by both the Quincy manifestation and Ichigo’s own mistaken consciousnesses which looking back seeing as Ichigo always seemed much more powerful when hollowfied purposefully or otherwise should’ve been a big clue to him
@@dayvonlouis5187i see it as Zan holds the Quincy power whilst Getsu Holds the Hollow Powah and they both hold half of the shinigami power. And thus both Zan and Getsu combined are Zangetsu after all Zan couldn't be a Zanpakto if he wasn't a part of Ichigo's Shinigami power
In the manga when Zangetsu goes "That isn't Zangetsu, I keep saying, that 'I' am Zangetsu." There's a panel where Ichigo is annoyed at him for continously saying and before Zangetsu facepalms Ichigo into one of those buildings, Zangetsu gives a look that says 'How many times does this idiot have to be told until he gets it.'
Do you know around what chapter?
@@SushiAddictionchapter 221, i might be a little late
Its kind of odd seeing this again, knowing that Zangetsu wasn't actually trying to hurt Ichigo. He was just trying to teach him.
Technically he is zangetsu because he ichigo didn’t know he’s is the source of his power on his father side as soul reaper because his mom was attacked by Aizen too plus i wish he was a full soul reaper they would know at his father was a captain of 13 gates guard squad that would amaze
@@marteznelson-stephens9926 really want to see how his powers of form will differ when the white hollow didnt attack his mom and his mom is not a quincy what form would ichigo zanpakuto will be just like other soul reapers
@@johnny69387 thats some boring af fantasy you got there😂😂😂😂😂😂white is everything
And have fun fighting.. Btw English dub is shit as hell..
I'd still say he's more hurtful than helpful here.
He's like the negative aspects of Ichigo and his desire to protect others, until he trains in the dangai at least
out loud "I refuse to play horse to a king that's weaker than me..."
inside "so I'll make you stronger, Ichigo"
Pretty much.
0:18 Zangetsu: I am Zangetsu
0:32 Zangetsu: I told you i am Zangetsu
2:08 Zangetsu: I keep saying that i am Zangetsu
500 Episodes Later
Ichigo: Ohh you were Zangetsu all the time?
Zangetsu: I told you like 10 times already
first impression is very important😂
It's actually 3
Lololol
Ichigo: Where is Zangetsu.
Hallow Ichigo: I am Zangetsu
Ichigo: WHERE IS ZANGETSU!!!!
Hallow Ichigo: Bruh.
Just call him white or zangetsu
Not to spoil you can watch tybw there the explanation
Hollow Ichigo is really Ichigo's Zanpakuto spirit all the time......
Ichigo always fought like a crazy ax murderer when saving Chad, or fighting bullies in school. He was more composed as a shinigami.
I always thought Zangetsu was his zonpakuto and white was his spiritual pressure. Now I know all the details
Zangetsu is Literally acting the same as his old self That’s true 🥶 Cold Shit
This is proof that even the devil will tell the truth, but because its coming from him we would never believe him because of who/what he is. This is a flawless analogy that should make anyone reflect on life, do we live with the ugly truth? Or live in the denial of a comfortable lie?
What’s interesting is a took a somewhat different approach from this interaction. Zangestu is apart of ichigo, and is the way he is due to Ichigo’s trauma. It’s the fact that he was fused with the hollow that ichigo disdains zangestu and denies apart of himself. In order to get stronger and be whole, he had to accept that aspect of himself that he views as a stain. Zangestu isn’t evil, he is just the embodiment of Ichigo’s strong desire to win and protect his loved ones. It’s the fact that Zangestu was not what he desired , that he denies himself.
Nah hold up because he actually spittin 💀
I just noticed when watching this again. A lot of times Ichigo would think and not fight at his potential with his Bankai. Zangetsu was there to teach him that he needs to fight with instinct instead of thinking. He needs to trust his Bankai and himself being the King which is Ichigo and the Horse being Zangetsu to become one.
Zangetsu you didn't lie once. NOT ONCE. I judged you too harshly 😩
If you think about the 2 zangetsus, the Zanpakuto have this brash bold personality. Considering this fact, him saying "i am zangetsu" Clearly isn't a lie, i mean he doesn't seem to be the type that lie either, he is overconfident with himself, thus everything comes from him always be the truth. Now the Quincy zangetsu however, is calm and collected, and while he lied nothing but his name, between him and the Zanpakuto, by nature, he would be the one that prone to lie, because he is careful and not as bold as the Zanpakuto himself. In the end, both are Zangetsu, which is why both can merge to teach ichigo final getsuga
Of course, they are both the two halves of Ichigo's soul. "Old Man Zangetsu" is his Quincy side from his mother (hence why it took the form of a younger Yhwach) and "Hollow Ichigo" is his Shinigami side from his father which fused with White, the hollow created by Aizen from Shinigami's souls that Ichigo inherited from his mother.
The two Zangetsus always battled for dominance in Ichigo's soul until Ichigo himself managed to balance them when he discovered his heritage (even so, he still was in the process of controlling better his powers).
Interesting, White even explained how Ichigo's hollow and quincy powers work. His quincy and hollow powers are tied together. When one takes over the other is dormant. Basically 2 sides of the same coin
Shinigami* and quincy
If Ichigo only had the proper mentorship from his dad or urahara and all relevant information about his powers, zangetsu wouldn’t have been able to give Ichigo PTSD.
Agreed
How would they know that the hollow would become his zanpakuto?
@@Karma-pq9fi there's no other way for ichigo to see ghosts in the human form, it was always white zangetsu who gave him a amount of spiritual pressure
@@god4749 He is half Quincy and half Royal Shinigami, either of those things explain it rather easily. That's the explanation for why his sisters can see ghosts
@@andrewwestfall65 agree
“The Blade is me.”
When Hollow Ichigo’s hand became colored, that was actually a HUGE hint towards that quote. 😮
The “when did you learn bankai” exchange is funny asf
It’s funny how Ichigo is even surprised that Zangetsu can do bankai when he’s literally modeled after him in every single way, from his body all the way to the sword.
It’s anyone’s guess that Zangetsu can use Bankai
@@iam4026
Lol ichigo thought he cornered the hollow when he was about to activate bankai
You can dee how hilariously frustrated ichi is when he sees the hollow hse bankai as well 😂
0:13 look at him.. At this moment he was hurt to hear that Ichigo doesn't recognize him as a big part of his true Zangetsu 😢
2:17 i love how he swings the sword around
He was telling the truth all the time
Who else coming back after finding out The real zangetsu 😂
Trips me out to this day
Me bruh I've watched bleach like 4 times and this got me hella trip
Would the real Zangetsu please stand up!
"Long time no see, King"
Good to see Zangetsu lifting his master up
Now I realize Ichigo scared the hell out of Zangetsu at 3:08 when he uses the quincy shadow to recolor the sword in his guts. Because that was a quincy power, for sure, and Zangetsu knew he would fall to that power if Ichigo learned how to master it. But in the end, he fell to the sword, not que quincy arrow.
Oh yeah
What kind of Quincy power is that?
@@Fabian-ix7gmSome Shadow manipulation shit
It looked like Zangetsu was more shocked that Ichigo finally took his advice on instinct and faught back using more of his own instinct. But there's an option as well.
man, zangetsu throwing tensa zangetsu like that is kinda reckless until that fight with ulquiorra, where tensa zangetsu magicly fly into his hand.
He knew stuff about the sword ichigo couldn't even imagine
The way he fought with the shikai was the same, throwing it and pulling it back with he wrap.
@@jaeger2780 M8: he doesn't know stuff about the sword. He IS the sword.
It's like to punch with your fist or trying to punch moving your friend's arm.
@@gaelurquiz5755 by my logic it's obv that Zangetsu could use himself better than Ichigo. Just it.
That's because old Tensa Zangetsu's chain is longer than we thought it's always connected to Ichigo and Zangetsu so with a single hand gesture the Tensa Zangetsu sword can fly back into its wielders hand as their calling to it by its chain.
Really ties into Tensa meaning Heavenly Chain
I love that Bankai shout at 1:08 , one of my favorites
Amazing to see that people think this is when white Zangetsu began to protect Ichigo but forget that there was a hollow mask attached to Ichigo protecting him from damage earlier on in the soul society
And to think he really wasn't lying
Yup I was surprised myself
You ever feel dumb, just remember Kurenai tried genjutsu on itachi and Ichigo told his own zanpaktou to watch him use Bankai like he wouldn’t be able to use it himself.
Y’all completely miss connection with face grab zangestu did to ichigo here 2:17 and how ichigos with zangetsu final form did to aizen bleach is actually imaculate and slept on! Same moves just way move power! Incredible
And how he repeated the same Getsuga Tensho attack against Grimjow.
You're not the only one who notices stuff
@@Problemsolver434 never said I was the only one but it’s good to see people recognize the Easter eggs lol
@FollowDav Well you did say "y'all completely miss connection..."
@@Problemsolver434 I was only talking about this scene bro never said I was the only one who notices stuff
@@Problemsolver434in their first fight?
its funny to think white/zangetsu always fought against ichigo because he was showing how to properly use all the abilities of himself, like the sword swing or the streachable bandages, and then he just faked not being the zanpakutou after the horse talk because he doesnt really recognize white as his sword, and fears getting ichigo weaker by telling the truth
Ichigo: “wHo ArE yOu?!?!?”
Hollow Ichigo: “Dude, how many times do I gotta tell you before you finally get it??”
just imagine if Ichigo found out about his true zanpakuto this long ago... he would have BLITZED everyone
yes and no. He probably would've gotten stronger, but it would be a similiar case to Renji, Toshiro and Zaraki. The wielder not being strong enough to fully wield the bankai's true power.
Ichigo in SS already was getting crushed by his own bankai as Zangetsu pointed out when he saved Ichigo from Byakuya. Just like Toshiro's body started to bleed during the arrancar arc when his bankai was close to reaching "full maturity" or how Zaraki literally broke his bodyparts for just using his bankai when it got forced on him.
So at best, it would be a Zambimaru situation. Ichigo receives a fraction of his bankai because the zanpaktou wouldnt acknowledge Ichigo's skill but he would acknowledge Ichigo's dedication.
@@michaelshahoe I think that would be something he’d need to keep working on, but he would massively accelerate his growth. A good portion of Ichigo’s issues are his misinformed views of White, seeing him as an enemy to be mistrusted and rejected, rather than his Zanpakto, so he often discounts White’s advice about how to better utilize and control his power.
Him accepting White as Zangetsu early on and actually paying attention to White’s instructions would head off a lot of trial-and-error he has to go through later on, and it would probably calm their relationship to Vitriolic Best Buds, or something similar. White is too aggressive by nature for their relationship to not be turbulent to some degree, but it’s exacerbated by frustration and worry, even if he won’t admit it
Ichigo's face as he see's Zangetsu can do Bankai, just 100 times better! Same thing for the Getsuga Tenshou
3:23
White: “Hot damn, this idiot finally got it”
1:45 used it like a cero
ichigo can never be as cool as white 😂 too bad ichigo still couldn't adopt White's creative and crazy way of fighting
@@liecretsev Zangetsu is just too good, now and forever!
Well, White is a Hollow, it makes sense for him to use a Cero like attack like a Cero. Actually I’m pretty sure the Getsuga Tensho basically is a Cero. So again, makes sense. XD
During the fight against byakuya he said let me show you how to use bankai looking back never would've thought he was zangetsu don't you love when things go full circle
2:46 now that i think about it, this is exactly the same way which he learnes about how to use final getsuga tenshou, damn...
Well, I mean, he wasn't lying.
Zangetsu (white) never lied to Ichigo
Easily one of my favorite fights in Bleach. Thanks for the upload.
Seeing this after getting caught up with the latest anime adaptation, brings a different meaning to Zangetsu.
3:09 ichigos quincy foreshadowing to
Did he call him King too?!?!? Brh Kubo had everything in our face omg
So every time ichigo removing the mask zangetsu panic because he fear ichigo might die?
Yeah, as he'll die along with him, and also he's trying to help Ichigo, so he's a Zanpakutō who's rejected by his master which puts Ichigo's powers as a shinigami-hollow hybrid in imbalance
White is so funny. “I am zangetsu” ichigo “WHeRe Is ZANGEtsU!!
It's interesting too because Zangetsu also referred to the old man as Zangetsu. He really was ahead of the curve.
at this point its not even foreshadowing. he straight up told us to our faces and nobody believed him because of his hollow origins, nut he was indeed Zangetsu this whole time
Years later...
Zangetsu (White) to Ichigo: SEE??
LMAO
After TYBW This has more meaning
Anyone else finds it funny that Ichigo's bankai resembled white's hands from his original form? Plus even Ulquiorra noticed that Ichigo's black getzuga is very similar to his black cero. Well no dhu since his zanpakuto is his hollow
0:10 - seeing this again is actually funny. Man, he's right in front of you
2:01 - I always wondered how Zangetsu was able to do this, but then I realized that this sword (Zangetsu) is actually himself and since he's the real Zangetsu and in possession of the real sword (you'll understand where I'm heading) he could've just destroyed that imitation.
3:09 - come to think of it... Two things here. One.
So this is actually the continuation of the training that Ichigo had with Zangetsu while he was fighting Kenpachi (who, ironically, appears later to remind Ichigo of his fighting instinct). And what happens here is that Zangetsu (Hollow) actually gives Ichigo a sword for a battle, just like he did against Kenpachi.
Also, I wonder, how could Ichigo feel any pain from that stabbing attack? And does he even feel pain here? Cause, as you might recall in his Final GT training he was impaled by this sword and didn't feel any pain, cause Zangetsu is part of him (Ichigo).
So does he actually feel any pain here?
3:11 - second, quite ironic again. Since The real Zangetsu actually destroyed fake Zangetsu sword which was representative for Ichigo's quincy powers (Yhwach Zangetsu tried to compress Ichigo's real power) and then he gave Ichigo his real sword (white one) which Ichigo made his and is now using its powers.
3:41 - another interesting detail. So when Tensa Zangetsu stabbed Ichigo it gave Kurosaki the ability to use Final GT. But here, he actually stabs Zangetsu himself and gets to use his Hollow powers.
So with this interesting detail and logic...
I wonder, if Ichigo got to stab Zangetsu (Yhwach manifestation) would he be able to get access to his Quincy powers...Just wondering...
Man, so many details in those previous fights are great when you finally know all the truth.
Really makes tough wonder given the alternate method of obtaining dormant Quincy powers
1. You have to be hit by a reishi arrow at your heart or above it like how Ryuken did to Uryu
2. Quincy spirit energy must mix into your own spirit energy and enter your body, ala Quilge's spirit energy from his jail mixed in with Ichigo's spirit energy from his desparate Getsuga Tenshou which returned to his body.
It really makes sense now that White would be so frustrated being told by the Shinigami Ichigo that he ISN'T Zangetsu when that's just not the case. Really explains White throughout the show. He just didn't want to die. Instinct
White recognizes that without Ichigo, he has nothing which is why he refers to Ichigo as the "King" because he's the one in control of Ichigo's inner world and by extent his powers. But White gets equally stronger as Ichigo gets stronger because again, at this point White is Ichigo and Ichigo is White.
Really goes to show the whole Yhwah Bach plot line was thought of since the nearly the start. It's also why Ichigo can't actually be hurt by White no matter how hard they both try - their Reatsu is practically the same so of course he can't be truly hurt by it. Plus, it shows how OMZ was REALLY holding Ichigo back. Convincing him that the hollow isn't his real power and making himself the catalyst for Ichigo's powers. Kubo is the GOAT
Imagine if White Zangetsu and Ichigo were to fuse, it would be like a “Yin and Yang” thing that would probably have two swords in each hand.
IMAGINE?
@@migjordanpayawal7856 shut
All this time he was only training him, and saved him a countless times!
Goodness I love the King and Horse quote so much.
That whole time, he heard Zangetsu, but he just refused to listen...
what really cool is that they use Zangetsu for fleetway sonic voice lines
he beat him because he accepted the blade. kind of like how he learned how to use mugetsu. The Blade is Me!
All this time he was not just pulling our leg 😂I was surprised when I found out
I can imagine the other zanpakuto getting confused on why the old man and the hollow Ichigo are both Zangetsu
There are other zanpakuto that have 2 spirits. Like Renjis or Ukitake
That point blank Getsugatensho was smooth 🥶
I wish this was the full fight. It's not the same when some scenes are cut
I get copyrighted if i upload the full fight
@@NabilAnime that sucks
@@NabilAnime wonder how long I have left before I reach this point, what season is this interaction in?
White Ichigo Can't Hurt you
White Ichigo:💀
I'm sorry i ever hated you Zangetsu 😭😔
White Zangetsu actually is trying to teach Ichigo to make him stronger that someday he can overpower his quincy blood. Since Yhwach Zangetsu was supressing his real shinigami powers.
White being hollowfied soul reaper half and old man zangetsu being ywach and his quincy half this is peak fiction 🔥
All of ichigo's near death situation in battles, zangetsu was always there.
One thing i wonder when i see this...Did Zangetsu just actually tells the ending right there? His speech about instinct, the predator...Not wanting to" be a horse, to those weaker than him"(current Soul King). Then proceeds to reinforce the idea with "You're gonna get us dismembered, sliced to pieces (Yhawch, and the previous soulking) or,going further it's a prediction of ichigo fate, himself becoming the foundation of the world out of his weakness.... i also wonder now, whether his shadow overtaking white, thus "stealing what is his" (Which actually resembles what Yhawch did after merging with the soul king, a lot), is the answer to that, or if it means he's actually falling to submission...
In a way, it even might show right here and there what his true Bankai does, as a potential divider,creation... Reverting the hollow to himself.
One thing that i realized that this is how ichigo learns. White needs to be antognistic to maximize Ichigo's potential.
ichigo is a idiot early on, he needs to be taught the very hard way to get stronger, even if it means marking him with fear forever as long as he can keep being stronger to survive
I love bleach❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
It's crazy that the zangetsu was comparing both of them to the king (Ichigo and the horse zangetsu)
I think its time to rewatch bleach after everything we have learned
Can we all agree zangetsu looking slick in that white bankai ^_^
This fight is also true to how others zanpatou treated their shinigami when bankai training. If the owner is weak the sword won't give them full control just like Renji and Toshiro.
Man, I wish we could get a look at Zangetsu in the TYBW arc, I love the character so much so seeing the two interact, even briefly, after ichigo acknowledges the truth would be sick. Maybe in the hell arc
Does Ichigo even still have his Hollow/Quincy powers anymore? Yhwach absorbed them both in the final battle.
@@knucklecracks2.0Tsukishima stabbed Ichigo with his sword, making it so that Ichigo never lost his abilities to Ywach.
everyone is saying they are shock at who Zangetsu really is. nOW THAT tybw IS OUT. Yall should have deeped the King and his Horse message from then
Zangetsu is the GOAT!!
Wouldn’t it be crazy if his hollow was his real Zanpaktou and OMZ was just fakin the funk this whole time? But that would never happen, right guys?
…guys?
Bro really was telling us that he is zangetsu lmao
Well I guess that's one way to help him
Now we know hollow itchigo origin because of the thousand year war
0:18 Zangetsu: I am Zangetsu
0:32 Zangetsu: I told you i am Zangetsu
2:08 Zangetsu: I keep saying the i am Zangetsu
500 Episodes Later
Ichigo: Ohh you were Zangetsu all the time?
Zangetsu: I told you like 10 times already
Looking back on the series, you realize what Old Man was saying when he told Ichigo about Kenpachi's Zanpakuto how it was screaming because it couldnt form a connection. Zangetsu did the same thing when Ichigo rejected him by trying to take over his body. He was trying to convey his frustrations on Ichigo and his speech about the "king and his horse" is the same kind of relationship a Shinigami has with their Zanpakuto; the instinct to become one being and an extention of eachother.
Well…
He is really Zangetsu…
Ichigo Getsuga Tensho: Small strip of reatsu
White Getsuga Tensho: Mini nuke
Behold Gento Hiruma before he became the host of an Ultraman.
"and Zangetsu became a part of me" referring to the moment White fused with the Soul reaper/Shinigami powers and became Zangetsu.
I hate the fact I can’t unhear Yu and Adachi in this scene.
He really was telling the truth the whole time😂😂
Bleach is so goated... Just got done watching episode 13 of TYBW...
It’s crazy that he was telling the truth this whole time lol
Dayumm. I just watched bleach and this white ichigo was really the real zangetsu. Lmao. I thought white ichigo was like a kind of Virus that hijacked the black zangetsu.
I like to imagine omz is just having tea and forgot to lock up white 😅
Ichigo gets light blue reishi in his eyes and shadows over rule White tensa Zangetus , White quickly back away cause he knows...thats quincy reishi.
Damn its like JYB vs dark JYB
Basically Yu Narukami fighting Adachi or hell, Shadow Yu. That and Hajime Hinata facing his Izuru Kamukura self.
what would have happened if ichigo and white had infinite everything/absolute everything/omni everything
0:39 this explanation actually is somewhat wrong, when you think about the current context;
Hollow ichigo being the legit zangetsu, means ichigo was drawing on his power this whole....so by this explanation, hollow ichigo shouldve been weakening, while "zangetsu" gained more control.....
But in actuality, as ichigo gained bettee control of his soul reaping powers, his hollow/zanpaktou/white zangetsu began to surface even more....
no because Zangetsu (white ichigo) and Ichigo are the same, so the more ichigo was incresing his shinigami powers the more zangetsu became powerful and the more his shinigami powers grow the less the quincy power are strong enough to hold him back, becasuse shinigami powers are bigger than quincy.
Uh no, you’re just a bit low IQ.
If you use shinigami powers more, they don’t weaken. They get stronger
If you lift weights more. You don’t get weaker you get stronger.
He said it he is Zangetsu (shikai) while in bankai form and his name is not Tensa Zangetsu
does any1 know the OST at 0:44 ?
What ep is this?
Bro white ichigo has fleetway sonic voice
Dude nah you're mixing things up 💀 this voice originally belongs to white. The sonic fans just thought it would fit fleetway's super sonic so they uses it a lot on him in fanmade Content.
Best Bleach husband everr!!!!! Damn Zangetsu has this skull that is really giving me xray vision abt how he is so effin hot af 😊😊😊😊😍😍😍😍😍 makes his look like a handsome phantom and like his horn of salvation power og mm!!! 😂😂😂 hahah .
He is so seductively curvaceous ❤
Omg and how he almost turned into a human soul 😊 wow I want even more of that ❤
Nice Comment!