Preparing for War: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In this episode we're taking a closer look at a series of photos of the ship getting worked up to go to Vietnam.
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Thank you for putting the pointer arrows on some of the pictures so we know what you’re talking about.
I shall raise a glass to the memory and mourn the tragic loss of Ryan's glorious beard.
What ever happened to it .. his bangs are crabbing down to recover it
I'm glad it's gone. He was starting 2 look like the GEICO caveman w/it.
I think Ryan should shave everything neck up and let it grow back every year
It was getting out of hand. It had to be put down before it got self aware.
It's alright, he just stuck it to his head.
I'm a fan of the 1982 recommissioning, it was extremely well documented and recorded, the pride in the ship and the event that day is impressive. The fact that New Jersey was put back into commission that day by Ronald Reagan makes her the only battleship ever commissioned by a sitting president who described her as "gray, had her face lifted but still in the prime of life, a gallant lady". Reagan ended his speech quoting Capt Penistons 1969 decommisioning remarks "Rest well, yet sleep lightly; and hear the call, if again sounded, to provide firepower for freedom" and stating "the call has been sounded".
Ahh, the Vietnam deployment - the shortest tour of duty for the ship, but the one that left the biggest marks visually. To this day, New Jersey still carries most of the modifications that were added for her Vietnam deployment, and they’re supremely useful in distinguishing her from the other Iowas.
Not only that, but arguably the deployment where we had the most impact on the war itself and support for land based forces
At 9:47 the contractor drinking Coffee wearing hard hat if priceless.
Got to like the "Operation Petticoat" reference (mixing red lead and white lead).
Just got to the video, hit that part and scrolled down to post "great Operation Petticoat reference"
We sunk a truck...
Lt. Cmdr. Matt T. Sherman: Molumphry, will this boat go down?
Chief Molumphry: Like a rock sir.
@@knightaries13 Sighted Ship, Sank Truck.... can Lt Crandall possibly be a Japanese agent?
Wait!!!! Ryan shaved!! and got a hair cut!! Wow - spring must be close.
What happened to Ryan's magnificent beard?
Oh boy.. Your mentioning pink primer made me think about the WW2 movie "Operation Petticoat" 🤣
Fascinating! VERY nicely done! For an unreconstructed mil hardware guy - hey, I grew up as a Marine Brat - I'm most appreciative! THANKS!
Fascinating. Thank you.
19:19
I know it's been a long time since I was in, and an even longer time gap between then and these photos, but we never charged a fire hose unless it was intended to be used. Even during flight ops with a fire crew on immediate standby, the fire hoses were never charged. We never even faked out the hoses.
I was on the helo fueling team in a USCG cutter.
Impressive to see those beautiful 3 ships in the same shipyard.
Thank you
The second most power battleship division. Just missing Missouri in the photo.
Wouldn’t a JG have a silver bar? Isn’t a butter bar an Ensign?
Yes.
Gold Bar = ensign. Even odds he's the JOOD(UI); also possible he's the senior Ensign aboard, and, thus, "the first Lieutenant"
Never heard of a "senior Ensign". The second officer rating in the navy is Lieutenant junior grade, and that's a silver bar. Is senior Ensign more of a specialty for a rate or something like Leading Petty Officer?
why don't you credit the volunteer who did this?
For Desert Shield then Desert Storm our carrier simply turned and headed for the Suez Canal. No ship prep but we were issued MOPP gear being I worked the flight deck. Red Sea, hang a left and head north, hard left into the Straight of Hormuz. Then into the Gulf.
How many mopps in mopp gears
USS America? I was on the Saratoga in the Red Sea Yacht Club with you.
Reminds me of my trip in 1995 to the Inactive Ship Facility at Philadelphia as Wisconsin and Iowa were tied up together at the same pier excepting that unlike 1968 New Jersey was gone and Wisconsin was inboard of Iowa at pierside. Also the photo you showed of the two battleships from ahead taken from New Jersey is very similar to the photo I took of the two sisters from the flight deck of Aircraft Carrier John F. Kennedy during her last overhaul at Philadelphia.
That was great as always, Ryan, thanks for sharing. Of course many thanks to the volunteer who provided them.
20:25 Is it possible that the smoke has come from the tug having put power on then back off? I'm sure you've seen many more tugs than I have put out a surprising amount of exhaust when they suddenly apply significant power (they'd all be rather large displacement diesels even then, right?).
I mention it because the lighter amount below the darker could match what you'd see if the tug 'belched' a bunch of exhaust that then tailed off as the power was put back to idle. I'm sure you're correct in your assessment, and I don't know if we can be sure the tug has its engine running. There are no crew members visible on it, so it may have tied on quite some time earlier. I was wondered whether it had just produced that smoke as I mentioned, however, so thought I'd comment for fun and see if anyone has any thoughts about it.
21:47 The resolution isn't great, which makes depth perception difficult, the alignments of those two tugs are interesting. Is the outboard, perpendicular one pressing the other one against New Jersey's hull, which is why that one is listing more than might be expected for what appears to be some amount of port rudder (judging by the angle of the prop wash compared with its hull)? Could just be a problem of parallax/depth perception as I mentioned at the start, but it does look interesting.
Cheers
Red primer? White primer? Pink?!?! Operation Petticoat. Who will know?
A “JG with a gold bar” is better known as an Ensign.
My dad, who was a dive-bomber pilot in WWII and Korea says the "big broom guy" has the big broom because he's the HMFIC on the operation. I'll leave people to figure out on their own what that stands for. We always enjoy watching your videos. Please keep making them. :)
it would be nice if you would say what the acronym stands for so us less educated types would know too?
Actually many might not consider it nice.
Ahhh yes the head motherfucker in charge
@@keesvanwesterop2954 This is what my dad was referring to, yes. 😀
@@gilesshine3917 I see what you mean
Next time I am back at my mother house I need to find PICs of New jersey from the air in Long Beach during the early 1990s
after that reference to red and white primer, I was hoping for a picture of Lt Crandell!
Gold bar = Ensign. Silver bar = LTJG
Most of us think of paint as coming in 1 gallon cans, or if you have a big job, you get the 5 gallon buckets.
Well, when you have a really big job, you buy the paint in 50 gallon drums. And even then, you wish that you had something bigger.
That looks like a painter dude milling around those drums in the photograph.
I'm going to bet that it is either paint, or mineral spirits thinner in those drums. Probably both....
Anybody else catch the reference to the movie "Operation Petticoat" at 5:00?
Why is Wisconsin riding so much higher than Iowa in one of the bow on pics?
I was a deckape, I never hated the snipes. I felt sorry for them sometimes. They never got as much liberty as we did, they worked in compartments that were like saunas while we got to walk around in the fresh air and under the sun and moon and stars. I loved those guys, without them the ship would have stopped, the electricity would have gone out, the reefers would have broken down the food would have spoiled, our world would have gone to s*t. Without us, the purpose of the ship could not have been achieved. Without the airdales the choppers would have never gotten airborne, without the bubbleheads some enemy sub would be looking at us through a periscope waiting for the perfect opportunity to put a fish or two into our hull. We all had a purpose, we all worked together. I wish to almighty GOD, that humans could work together and tolerate one another as well as we did onboard that ship and in that task force and in that fleet. So when you say we hated each other, that bothers me, sure we had rivalries, but hate each other? I don't recall EVER feeling that. I don't mean to disparage you, i simply think you might want to revise and rethink that statement. We all cleaned up somebody else's mess. Someone had to clean up ours, we grumbled, sure, we bitched, (it was said that a sailor that wasn't bitching, wasn't happy) but we did it and went on and kept things going, we kept on keeping on. :)
Don't get me wrong, I love what you are doing, I love that you are working to preserve history, I love that you care about that. Your knowledge is incredible, your attitude is amazing, your will to keep that ship there for new generations to appreciate is wonderful. I just feel like hate is a word that has already been used too much and has been thrown around too easily this day and age. My fellow crewmen were and still are my brothers. Thank you.
@@Yverian i try to never use that word when i speak. These days i spell it h8. Words have power. You use Your words wisely. Thank You for Your service and God bless You !:-) 🙏
Heres a question. World of Warships is all about the whole "bow on" fighting with BBs. Can BBs even fire over the bow, or does all the stuff on the bow get in the way? Like the AA mounts, that big antennae looking thing...etc
Well, World of Warships. Normally a ship would turn to bring as many guns to bear as possible. Gun tubs would not be manned when firing main guns. Lastly, post WW2 there were not many ships for a battleship to engage, they became off shore artillery.
Great pictures, like. a time capsule of the 1960s
That was fantastic. It's not often we get to see the crew in action.
NNOOOOOOOO!!! The beard! NOOOOOOOO!!!
We shall mourn the passing of the beard, for it was glorious.
it's Mustache March... wait. That's an Air Force thing...
How did the new crew know how to do anything, especially with the 16in guns? There probably wasn't anyone left on active duty to train them. Since there were a lot of ships that still had steam engines, I can see them pulling folks from the fleet. But those guns.....were the 5in out of use by then also?
Manuals, and older reservists
The 5"/38 was in widespread use at the time. There were probably more than a few sailors in acttive service who operated 16" turrets during Korea. During the 80s many retired sailors were recalled for battleship training duty.
There were still some WWII veterans on active duty when I was in 70 to 76. In 1968 the war had only ended 23 years before then there was the Korean War activation. I knew three old Master Chiefs who were WWII vets 2 were Gunners Mates and one Fire Controlman.
Lots of Gearing and Sumner class destroyers still in service in the late 1960's. Also some of the war built cruisers and guided missile conversion CAG's and CLG's. They all mounted the twin turret 5"/38.
Hi, In one of the first pictures, maybe the third or so, one of the ship's bell is visible, also there appears to be a civilian official with what looks like a file under his arm. Just my observation, thanks for a SWELL job!
Wilford Broomly
I do wonder if modern geopolitics will result in re-commissioning of any or all of the Iowas, although I think it would basically have to be a complete overhaul including power plant modifications, etc, which may just be too complicated and expensive. But I don't know if we could build anywhere near as sturdy a ship any time in the next 15 years
Heading further out into the weeds (WAY out), I wonder how much AI would help to optimize designs and implementation of any rebuilds, and might even serve to make any such projects affordable and sensible....and what other capabilities could be added
i bet i wasn't your only british viewer who thought wilfred brimley?
[open new tab] type: wilfred brimley....
ahh. yes, of course.
So no "Operation Petticoat" for the 5" gun mounts then...
JG has a silver bar on their collar ensign sports a gold one.
Are they holystoning the deck in those deck washing pics?
The sweeper is Wilfred Broomley
What do you think China would say if we re-fitted all the WWII Battleships and parked them off the coast in neutral waters. Just think if it where possible.
Apologies Ryan, away for a while and you've lost the salty-sea-dog winter beard. Must be warming up in Camden.
18:00 minutes - the H-2 has lowered something or someone by hoist - you can see the rescue strop. She certainly isn't landing - her gear are UP
Underway, shift colors.
Ryan. A LTJG with a gold bar? Or an ensign? (12:30). Or the bull?
Assigned as a flying squad member on my frigate, we would also man the damage control team for helo refueling at sea. If the guys doing the refueling were slow, the helicopter would get very very close to the water and blow us wet to show his displeasure. Ha ha ha
5:20: The two hatches in front of turret 1 on Iowa have no water shield, the ones on Wisconsin have.
How about NJ?
Wisconsin hull paint looks different from Iowa.
Hey Ryan - is that an East Orange accent you have? My mom was from East Orange, she had the exact same accent.
He migrated up from Baltimore but not sure where from before that
The building across the dock was a communication warehouse, and it's still there. Think it's offices now. That's the same slip JFK is/was parked at
10:15 If it has four legs it's a tetrapod. We are all tetrapods.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrapod
All the battleships will be needed again, we're now in dangerous times!!!
That Seasprite is just hovering. Its landing gears are in the up position.
At 9:51 there is what appears to be a civilian walking around next to the turret.
Only submarines get painted pink!
Shots fired.
Don’t Ensigns have a single gold bar?
Yes. I couldn't tell if it was silver or gold, so either an Ensign or a Lieutenant JG.
@@johnsykesiii1629 I recall Ryan said gold, but then said Lieutenant JG.
Operation Pettycoat
Bloomers is southern slang for woman’s underwear.
In the first picture, I thought they were laying tar.
DC1(SW) Thompson here to help with a few questions before they are asked. The easiest way to get a new crew member familiar with the ship. Best way is to have them take a few laps with a sounding and security watch stander. That a long with taking them through their own work spaces should give them a good head start. Let's cover the markings on doors, hatches, scuttles and other fittings that have to do with the ships material condition of readiness. Start from x-ray to William fittings. X-ray least amount of protection but always set. circle x-ray quick acting fittings that may be opened and closed for passage through without logging open. Open for any length of time , must be logged in at DC Central. Closed and logged in closed when task is complete. This goes for Yoke, circle Yoke, Zebra, circle Zebra, William and circle William. Now again again all quick acting fittings are circle fitting can be open and closed immediately. After Yoke is Battle station or General Quarters. All X,Y and Z fitting closed. William is set only during the event of a Nuclear, Biological or Radiological attack. These fittings includes all X,Y,Z fittings as well as W. This is hatches doors scuttles, port lights, ventilation valves and fans bringing External air into the ship . last is Dog Zebra small red Z inside a Larger black D. Darken ship set at Dusk and GQ. Underway only. So these are the markings and meanings. Any question you have for me you can also find me on Facebook. If I can help answer your questions, be glad to do so . I love sharing my knowledge. I was basically a teacher and instructor most of my Navy career.
As well, important because MANY Nam Vets owe their lives to the events depicted! There are Y/T channels where interviewees go into great length, describing what they saw & felt after calling fire missions from the BIG guns on the BBs, and telling gunners aboard to, "fire for effect...!!!" I'm sure the WWII grunts had the same love, but sadly most are beyond interviews...
Thanks, again!
jusy a quick thank you for all the content provided, especially during the somber days of the lockdown. thank you ryan!
I was a Gunners Mate in the 1970s. We pronounced the word 'tompion', 'tomkin.'
The most historically significant recommissioning is the 2025 recommissioning
Hi Ryan, i love these pictures worth a thousand words videos.
In several of these views I can see the bell on the forward antena.
In the helicopter shots, I think it is working with an underslung load because in the first I think a line is vissible and in the second (guy with the brown shoes) it looks like crew (just vissible to his left working with a sling).
10:00 Wilfred Brimley 😂
NOTE: In the pic at 22:17 you can see the bloomers on the "16 guns.
What a cool picture; Iowa, New Jersey and Wisconsin together.
If a museum curator can get lost then imagine being some fresh recruit & officer who gets stationed on a battleship
That helicopter was lower sometbing down, you can the see the cable coming down to the guys
My thought was is it refueling? Cable down to pick up the fuel hose.
@@Kevin-go2dw Looks like one off the rescue hoist slings that goes under your arms is on the deck.
12:20 "looks like a JG with a gold bar".... mmm no, thats an ensign.
Oh. War? NJ's best thing....
Out of all four Iowa's being recommissioned in the 80's, many say New Jersey is the most advanced, because of her recommissioning during Vietnam. Also, forgive me for this because I'm either rusty, didn't listen carefully, or didn't read up on it, or all of the above: Where's Missouri in the pictures showing New Jersey being refitted with Iowa and Wissconsin in the background?
Missouri was in Bremerton in 1968 at time of New Jersey's reactivation.
Those were cool pictures. Thankyou for showing them off.
I think the 3rd pic shows the refinery just south of Chester
It is. My mom's family are from there. It's Marcus Hook, PA. AKA "The Hook" That's the former Sun Oil Refinery. I have a video of my parent's wedding at the church in Marcus Hook that has the refinery in the background. Sun also had a ship building facility in Chester that built the Hughes Glomar Explorer of CIA fame.
"These pictures were all organized for the museum by one of our volunteers." Ryan, holy moly, does that ONE volunteer have a name?
- They're just nameless numbers ... some volunteer ... they get no recognition.
At 15:00 what's the crap on the barrels on the NJ? Like giant welds going around the barrels.
Wisconsin also has 2 protected hatches in front of turret 2 and it doesn't look like Iowa has any. I think New Jersey has 1. Doesn't it? We're all 4 Iowas in Philadelphia at this point? So glad they all got saved. Best ships ever built.
Missouri was in mothballs at Puget Sound in Washington state at this time. She would stay there until '84 when she went to Long Beach to be reactivated.
Could the New Jersey survive missile attack which sank the Moskva last year?
@thebestmichaeljacksoneduca2017 But could it survive exploding and sinking on its own for no reason?
Thanks Ryan
great work thanking all
Baaahhh you shaved LOL
I'm honestly surprised that they didn't reactivate more of the Battleships for the Vietnam deployment. At the very least, two would serve the need to have one on standby/overwatch, so that when the other had emptied its shore redefining shells and had to depart for rest and reload, the other could quickly take over. If memory serves, either an Army or Marine platoon was close to being overrun, and the Big J's 16" was the primary reason that the enemy hadn't done so already. Unfortunately, she was almost out of HE rounds and had to depart to remedy that discrepancy. When the guy on the horn to the Forward Observer told him the situation, the response was a dire plea to not stop firing. Sadly, when she came back refreshed and relosded, the communist forces had made good their intention to take that posistion.
I have wondered how much benefit a BB would be there. Yes they can do an effective job in the areas their gunfire can reach but there is so much they couldnt reach in VietNam. Figure a 16" gun max range around 24 miles and say the ship is 4000 yards off shore, two nautical miles, then the guns can only reach 22 miles of land. I am not certain how close the ship could steam off the coast so two miles may be overly optimistic for the New Jersey. I recognize if you were a grunt in trouble and New Jersey saved your butt then of course you are very happy it was there.
Politics, unfortunately. It was a struggle to get even one Iowa reactivated, and New Jersey's reactivation was only announced after an anti battleship Sec Def retired. Conversely, it was stated that New Jersey's premature retirement in 1969 was in part because she was too effective and disrupting the Paris peace talks. Notice how that worked out. The New Jersey was retired in 1969 and the war dragged out until early 1973. The proper response would have been "get your butts back to those peace talks now or I got three others just like her I can haul out." This was proven when Nixon finally decided to B-52 the north in Linebacker I or II ( can't remember) in late 1972 and by early 1973 the treaty was signed.
With all these pictures of the shirtless, basically bare naked guns, I was thinking "wouldnt it be cool if Ryan made a video about the construction and manufacturing of the gun itself? Focusing on the never talked about recoil dampening, elevation system and generally the mounting points of these magnificent tools of war?"
Yes it would be! 😊
Can the ship be rented for kids birthday with bouncy house?
Woohoo the beard is gone! Looking clean!
Would love too see new battleships built with nuclear propulsion and all the modern day weapons to defend ourselves against the CCP.
So... battleships but with all the things battleships weren't made for and lacking all the things that battleships were made for. Okay.
Thanks for shaving hairbag! lol
5th March 7th 2023 7:20 PM
4th, 7 March 2023
recommissioning of 68' as I was supposed to be there!
I was a deck ape in the 70's, I certainly remember red lead and zinc chromate.