I agree 100%. I also really appreciate that Ryan takes the time to do a video early on in the process when they find things like this rather than waiting to do something super polished that can feel a bit removed from the excitement of the find.
The drawings with the draughtsmans handwritten printing and the dark blobs from rubbing out mistakes takes me back . We did a couple of months training in the drawing office as a part of our apprenticeship. Later when working on the ship you came to recognise who produced them from the printing without looking at the name . Sadly computers took over the actual drawing process and any individuality was lost .I'm sure Ryan will be making use of his discovery in coming videos .
You are thinking of _modern_ Flag staff sizes. DivCinC is likely a VADM or RADM, and the COS will be a LT(SG) or LCDR. Nimitz's 1st staff was only 38 personnel in 1942.
Hello. I would be very happy if one day a video is dedicated to the Rivadavia class battleships, built in the United States for Argentina, commissioned in 1914/15, modernized in 1925/26 and retired in the 1950s.
The Marines that were assigned, were part of the Fleet Marine Force. Which is a division of the Marine Corps that is attached to Ships, Namely Battleships and Aircraft Carriers. Size may increase when an Admiral is assigned to the ships. On board the Wisconsin, one of the 5" gun mounts, it had the Marine Corp Eagle, Globe, and Anchor painted on it.
Who had the worst commmute for battleship crewmembers? This is for regular work spaces, not battle stations. Not sure if you want to count regular steaming watch stations, but then the lookouts would be second, I think. I think it's the enlisted weathermen. Climb up something like 14 decks from berthing to weather observers shop at the top of the mast. If they need to pee, climb down how many decks and back up again. Ditto meal breaks.
Even in the 70s there were things called "pigs ears" on the high lookout platforms in RN ships. Shaped like a funnel attached to something similar to a voice pipe at groin level with a hinged lid and eventually plumbed in to the heads (or overboard discharge). It's not good practice to have lookouts in one place for whole watches, so you rotate 'em round. No 2s and meals happen outside of 4 hour watches - or in situ at action stations/GQs.
Vital use of boats at any time in commission - "buoy jumpers" (RN terminology) - the sailors who connect the anchor cable(s) to a permanent floating mooring. Also crash boat for the embarked aircraft. And moving senior officers about, of course... Shore facilities would provide transport for any "libertymen" - (eg landing craft).
Honestly it's cool to have a piece of history I can keep as a PDF. Maybe one of these days I'll see a Iowa class battleship in all it's glory in person.
Nice Share! Always loved these! There is multiple sites online showing these on the 1968 New Jersey and even one listing for sale, but would kill for original set of ones you have! Oh well...
Are the Iowa class battleships the farthest advance in battleship design? If the Navy called for a new gun battleship today. What differences would this ship have besides electronic equipment and defensive weapons over the 1940 design?
I wonder if officers on the admiral's staff ended up included under "other commissioned officers." Odd to see Chief Petty Officers included under Marines.
Ryan, Iowa just a few weeks ago moved Turret 3 under its own power for the 1st time since deactivation to test the equipment to see if it all works still & also to rotate the gun house out of the way to strike down shells through the hatches using the original crane mounted to the gun house l. They have further plans to ‘attempt’ to get Turret 3 to move on its own by way of the Spot 2 Mk38 Director. Again, mainly to prove it all still works but also to get it ‘functional’ for special events & occasions. Clearly Iowa has managed to somehow get enough shore power on board to fire up all these electric systems. This would be a great idea for a video, what would it take for New Jersey to do the same? CAN New Jersey do the same? Is New Jersey CAPABLE of rotating the turrets & elevating the barrels if enough Shore Power is supplied? Is New Jersey CAPABLE of using one of the Mk38’s to rotate the turrets again given enough Shore Power. What’s the process you & the rest of the team would have to go through to make this a reality? I know it’s been stated before that the Turret’s currently have their locking pins in place and there’s a video on that but I imagine there’s more involved to get them to move than just cutting the welds on the locking pins & turning the power on to the systems. I’ve also heard Shore Power is a limitation for New Jersey. Can more Shore Power be acquired? Is there a plan to up the Shore Power? Has it actually been proven other than verbal ‘it’s not enough’ that the current power available is too little? Iowa has also reactivated the Capstains , shell handling rings, & powder hoists in the Turrets. If New Jersey cannot get enough Power to rotate & aim the Main Battery turrets, what about its ancillary equipment? CAN New Jersey rotate & aim the 5” secondaries?? Logic would stand to reason that that would require a good deal LESS power to operate. Can the 5” Secondaries be rotated still using the i.e. Sky 1 or Sky 2? Does it all still work, but just is turned off currently? All would be great content for videos!
At around 10:45, you speak of landing parties consitsting of marines. I recently watched a video from Battle Order outlining the Navy's own landing party structure, noting that the landing part members would most likely come from the damage control units on board. This piqued my interest, as USS NJ is famous for being great at DC. Is there any document speculating or outlying how the Iowa class battleships would have handled forming a landing party, and if there is any documents looking at the impact a landing party formed from DC units would have had on actual damage control on the ship?
Marines never had a Chief Petty Officer rank. Where did that come from? They would be Staff NCO's (E6 to E9) E6 -SSgt, E-7 -GySgt, E8- MstSgt. / 1st Sgt, E-9 MGySgt / SgtMaj.
Hey Ryan this might be a dumb question but when New Jersey was launched and her haul was christened were the interior spaces such as the engine-room engineering spaces completed or is that something that is finished in drydock ?
When you consider what these ships were originally intended and designed to do ... to fight and destroy other battleships it shouldn't be at all shocking how much damage control capability and self-repair capability was designed into these Ladies. With that in mind I admit that while I find it mildly interesting that 'satellite' DC lockers are still being found I am NOT shocked. As the old Timex commercial put it (paraphrased) "She can take a licking and keep on ticking." Or as the ChEng (Chief Engineer) in my first ship put it, "It's better to have more and not need it than need it and not have it aboard." (BTW, we sailed on my first 6th fleet deployment with nearly as much AFFF as a birdfarm might have and about three times as much shoring timber and metal shores as was called for in the Atlantic Fleet manuals, not all of it obtained through the Navy Supply System. 😉) The people who put pen to paper in designing the Iowa and other post Great War USN battlewagons were paying attention to the lessons learned the hard way by the Brits and everyone else in that war. Ryan, you and the other curators will probably STILL be finding DC gear in forgotten compartments when these ships hit the Century mark in age.
Hey there Ryan. Has anyone told you that your accent is sort of like Raymond from Everyone Loves Raymond? What region would you say your accent come from? Lately, I have been watching youtube vids about the Appalachian Mountains and I find their accents interesting. I am from Australian so I would not know much about USA accents, I have an Sydney Nth Shore accent which would sound British to you and No, we don't kick naughty boys with a huge boot. We let the drop bears get them. hahahha. Amazing that you mentioned Steve McQueen in The Sand Pebbles. The ending was sad with him dying alone and saying something like 'I was at home. What happened?'
I always got the impression the the bunks in the turret and up upper decks where more for the crew deployed to spot on as well as aircraft spotters on deck 11 as well as deck 8 bridge crew
Some day, someone needs to teach Ryan how to pronounce Missouri. People pronouncing it as if there is an "a" on the end instead of the "i" just grates on me. I know it's petty, but It sounds so uneducated coming from a person that is so clearly well educated. Sorry for being so petty. 🙃
There are documented regional pronunciation differences within Missouri and also documented differences in pronunciation by date/era. Also there are differences because Missouri was originally used by the French and then the English borrowed the word and added their twist to the pronunciation. One regional difference is mostly east-west as I recall. My Mother's family from Taney County pronounce MO differently from Dad's family from Clay and Ray counties. The pronunciation differences are well documented and references are out there to be seen. And it isn't just the end letter, the MU Alumni magazine, for instance, has an article which also discusses differing pronunciations of the 'ss'.
I love it when you guys find new artifacts. Really goes to show how much there still is to explore in the battleship and to learn about her
I agree 100%. I also really appreciate that Ryan takes the time to do a video early on in the process when they find things like this rather than waiting to do something super polished that can feel a bit removed from the excitement of the find.
The drawings with the draughtsmans handwritten printing and the dark blobs from rubbing out mistakes takes me back . We did a couple of months training in the drawing office as a part of our apprenticeship. Later when working on the ship you came to recognise who produced them from the printing without looking at the name . Sadly computers took over the actual drawing process and any individuality was lost .I'm sure Ryan will be making use of his discovery in coming videos .
You are thinking of _modern_ Flag staff sizes. DivCinC is likely a VADM or RADM, and the COS will be a LT(SG) or LCDR. Nimitz's 1st staff was only 38 personnel in 1942.
Hello. I would be very happy if one day a video is dedicated to the Rivadavia class battleships, built in the United States for Argentina, commissioned in 1914/15, modernized in 1925/26 and retired in the 1950s.
I have to wonder how a Marine Gunnery Sergeant or Master Sergeant would have taken to being referred to as a "Chief Petty Officer"?
The Marines that were assigned, were part of the Fleet Marine Force. Which is a division of the Marine Corps that is attached to Ships, Namely Battleships and Aircraft Carriers. Size may increase when an Admiral is assigned to the ships. On board the Wisconsin, one of the 5" gun mounts, it had the Marine Corp Eagle, Globe, and Anchor painted on it.
Who had the worst commmute for battleship crewmembers? This is for regular work spaces, not battle stations. Not sure if you want to count regular steaming watch stations, but then the lookouts would be second, I think.
I think it's the enlisted weathermen. Climb up something like 14 decks from berthing to weather observers shop at the top of the mast. If they need to pee, climb down how many decks and back up again. Ditto meal breaks.
Even in the 70s there were things called "pigs ears" on the high lookout platforms in RN ships. Shaped like a funnel attached to something similar to a voice pipe at groin level with a hinged lid and eventually plumbed in to the heads (or overboard discharge). It's not good practice to have lookouts in one place for whole watches, so you rotate 'em round. No 2s and meals happen outside of 4 hour watches - or in situ at action stations/GQs.
Vital use of boats at any time in commission - "buoy jumpers" (RN terminology) - the sailors who connect the anchor cable(s) to a permanent floating mooring. Also crash boat for the embarked aircraft. And moving senior officers about, of course... Shore facilities would provide transport for any "libertymen" - (eg landing craft).
I love these videos, you can really tell how passionate Ryan is about all of it.
Honestly it's cool to have a piece of history I can keep as a PDF. Maybe one of these days I'll see a Iowa class battleship in all it's glory in person.
I love it when a plan comes together
I love how Ryan says Missouri.
It means hes a southern boy.
Nice Share! Always loved these! There is multiple sites online showing these on the 1968 New Jersey and even one listing for sale, but would kill for original set of ones you have! Oh well...
I wonder if these scanned books of general plans would sell as print in the gift shop?
Are the Iowa class battleships the farthest advance in battleship design? If the Navy called for a new gun battleship today. What differences would this ship have besides electronic equipment and defensive weapons over the 1940 design?
I wonder if officers on the admiral's staff ended up included under "other commissioned officers."
Odd to see Chief Petty Officers included under Marines.
Ryan,
Iowa just a few weeks ago moved Turret 3 under its own power for the 1st time since deactivation to test the equipment to see if it all works still & also to rotate the gun house out of the way to strike down shells through the hatches using the original crane mounted to the gun house l. They have further plans to ‘attempt’ to get Turret 3 to move on its own by way of the Spot 2 Mk38 Director. Again, mainly to prove it all still works but also to get it ‘functional’ for special events & occasions. Clearly Iowa has managed to somehow get enough shore power on board to fire up all these electric systems.
This would be a great idea for a video, what would it take for New Jersey to do the same? CAN New Jersey do the same? Is New Jersey CAPABLE of rotating the turrets & elevating the barrels if enough Shore Power is supplied? Is New Jersey CAPABLE of using one of the Mk38’s to rotate the turrets again given enough Shore Power. What’s the process you & the rest of the team would have to go through to make this a reality? I know it’s been stated before that the Turret’s currently have their locking pins in place and there’s a video on that but I imagine there’s more involved to get them to move than just cutting the welds on the locking pins & turning the power on to the systems. I’ve also heard Shore Power is a limitation for New Jersey. Can more Shore Power be acquired? Is there a plan to up the Shore Power? Has it actually been proven other than verbal ‘it’s not enough’ that the current power available is too little?
Iowa has also reactivated the Capstains , shell handling rings, & powder hoists in the Turrets. If New Jersey cannot get enough Power to rotate & aim the Main Battery turrets, what about its ancillary equipment? CAN New Jersey rotate & aim the 5” secondaries?? Logic would stand to reason that that would require a good deal LESS power to operate. Can the 5” Secondaries be rotated still using the i.e. Sky 1 or Sky 2? Does it all still work, but just is turned off currently? All would be great content for videos!
Here's our video on rotating our turrets ruclips.net/video/5GO-EQWWBtY/видео.html
Great question, would love if the Iowa-class could fire blanks from the 16"s but I know that's a pipe dream.
They can not and are not allowed nor going to
@@mattblom3990 There was a video about that. Put simply anything that doesn't look awful would be damaging to the surrounding area.
@@Knight6831 Not allowed I don't believe is a correct statement.
Hot sh*t this is amazing content! Nice work, all the commentary is great, please keep on keeping on!
So are there not "as builts" for a battleship?
DC lockers all over the place😎 says the DC PO.
At around 10:45, you speak of landing parties consitsting of marines. I recently watched a video from Battle Order outlining the Navy's own landing party structure, noting that the landing part members would most likely come from the damage control units on board. This piqued my interest, as USS NJ is famous for being great at DC. Is there any document speculating or outlying how the Iowa class battleships would have handled forming a landing party, and if there is any documents looking at the impact a landing party formed from DC units would have had on actual damage control on the ship?
Just wondering if the plan outlines issuing red shirts to members of the landing party? Guy Fleegman wants to know.
@@ct8764 LOL
No plan survives first contractor.
Pretty cool to thing to come across.
Interesting , Thank You
Where should we contribute to buy you a comb?
Ryan …. I would love to see a video of the us navy brought back the Iowa class battleship what mods would they do ?
Page 15 starboard bow Echo Sounding Sea Chest.
Marines never had a Chief Petty Officer rank. Where did that come from? They would be Staff NCO's (E6 to E9) E6 -SSgt, E-7 -GySgt, E8- MstSgt. / 1st Sgt, E-9 MGySgt / SgtMaj.
Was there giggling? I'm guessing Ryan was giggling when he first saw these. :))
I ahd a coworker whose father was on a battleship during World War II that said he slept on deck.
Kinko's? Are they still in business?
Hey Ryan this might be a dumb question but when New Jersey was launched and her haul was christened were the interior spaces such as the engine-room engineering spaces completed or is that something that is finished in drydock ?
Most things were complete but the big equipment below decks was installed. No turrets yet though
Peacoats!
Hood, Bismarck and Arizona showed the vulnerability of ship boats
Try the battle of Jutland, bigger can mean more to explode or a more protected warship. Circumstances
When you consider what these ships were originally intended and designed to do ... to fight and destroy other battleships it shouldn't be at all shocking how much damage control capability and self-repair capability was designed into these Ladies. With that in mind I admit that while I find it mildly interesting that 'satellite' DC lockers are still being found I am NOT shocked. As the old Timex commercial put it (paraphrased) "She can take a licking and keep on ticking."
Or as the ChEng (Chief Engineer) in my first ship put it, "It's better to have more and not need it than need it and not have it aboard." (BTW, we sailed on my first 6th fleet deployment with nearly as much AFFF as a birdfarm might have and about three times as much shoring timber and metal shores as was called for in the Atlantic Fleet manuals, not all of it obtained through the Navy Supply System. 😉)
The people who put pen to paper in designing the Iowa and other post Great War USN battlewagons were paying attention to the lessons learned the hard way by the Brits and everyone else in that war.
Ryan, you and the other curators will probably STILL be finding DC gear in forgotten compartments when these ships hit the Century mark in age.
Order sheet,
1 Fast Battlewagon.
LOL.
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Why did it say "CPO" under marine detachment? Marines didnt use that rank in WWII
The Royal Navy of the British Empire used hammocks
file seems to only have 2 pages and a bunch of blank ones do you have a different link?
It takes forever to load but it's all there
@@BattleshipNewJersey i was finally able to get it ... and with that only BB55 general book of plans is needed for the collection
Hey there Ryan.
Has anyone told you that your accent is sort of like Raymond from Everyone Loves Raymond?
What region would you say your accent come from?
Lately, I have been watching youtube vids about the Appalachian Mountains and I find their accents interesting.
I am from Australian so I would not know much about USA accents, I have an Sydney Nth Shore accent which would sound British to you and No, we don't kick naughty boys with a huge boot. We let the drop bears get them. hahahha.
Amazing that you mentioned Steve McQueen in The Sand Pebbles.
The ending was sad with him dying alone and saying something like 'I was at home. What happened?'
Ryan is from Baltimore
@@BattleshipNewJersey Thank you.
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You use the boats to get to the ice cream barge. Obviously.
So why didn’t you give credit to the person be they a volunteer or a staff member or whoever credit for locating those plans?
We found them in the internet archive, so not much info on where they came from.
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sand pebble
kinkos still exists???????????????
If Big J could talk the stories she would tell,.....or the lawsuits she would star up for the Raefan ugly upgrade,
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This channel is proof intelligent life still exists on Earth.
The berth numbers seam low
I always got the impression the the bunks in the turret and up upper decks where more for the crew deployed to spot on as well as aircraft spotters on deck 11 as well as deck 8 bridge crew
Early war
New Jersey de
Come on you're not from Alabama. Its Missoureee!
Looks like Ryan has a really bad case of battleship hair!
Hes late for his crew cut. The exec should tighten him up.
FOUND! How to rotate an Iowa class battleship turret.... Oh wait....
Please stop mispronouncing " Missouri "
Some day, someone needs to teach Ryan how to pronounce Missouri. People pronouncing it as if there is an "a" on the end instead of the "i" just grates on me. I know it's petty, but It sounds so uneducated coming from a person that is so clearly well educated. Sorry for being so petty. 🙃
Ryan is correct.
@@robg9236 Just watching a video on the correct pronunciation. As one guy said, "Only rednecks and politicians say Massurah". 😄😄
Ryan is pronouncing Missouri like someone from Missouri.
There are documented regional pronunciation differences within Missouri and also documented differences in pronunciation by date/era.
Also there are differences because Missouri was originally used by the French and then the English borrowed the word and added their twist to the pronunciation. One regional difference is mostly east-west as I recall. My Mother's family from Taney County pronounce MO differently from Dad's family from Clay and Ray counties. The pronunciation differences are well documented and references are out there to be seen. And it isn't just the end letter, the MU Alumni magazine, for instance, has an article which also discusses differing pronunciations of the 'ss'.
@@nmccw3245 The hell he is. 70 years in the state and we don't say it like that. He says it like rural and southern.
Please, please, please… it’s Missouri, the I is pronounced like a y, not an a. Thank you!
depends on your accent
@@LoPhatKao 🤫😂
I put in a search for WW2 battleship construction videos. And all I get is charts and builders log books. Thumbs Down.