Battleship Arizona vs Battleship New Jersey
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In this episode we're comparing USS Arizona to USS New Jersey, with some help from our friends over at COBI, go to buildCOBI.com for your own kits.
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It’s encouraging to see a young man like Ryan talk openly about masterbuilding. In fact frequent masterbuilding is part of a healthy lifestyle.
Lol I get it
I never knew there was such a thing as a battleship salesman before watching this video, but now that I've discovered such a job title exists I think Ryan could absolutely sell me any BB that suits his fancy.
If he's selling, I'm buying.
He would no doubt do a better job than the bumb that sold me my Ford
Hehehe 😎👍
I've done 11 Cobi ship models. I also have some of their tanks, planes and helicopters. Cobi is awesome and I enjoy their builds. The brick quality is just as good as Lego.
I was impressed by the size difference. Pretty eye popping.
I grew up visiting the Texas but always wanted to go all the places I couldn't. 18 months ago I found your channel with the video going through the NJ's "catacombs", now I'm hovering over the buy button on a $250 model kit that my wife will have serious questions about...
It's incredible to think how much technology has changed between the two world wars. Of course, here we talk mostly about battleships, but it's also very apparent with aircraft, tanks, even cars. Even more insane how much has changed between then and today.
The generation that saw the most technological change in history were humans who were just old enough to serve in the US civil war.
They were born into a world of no electricity, single shot muskets and horse drawn carriages and by the time the last US civil war veteran died there was electricity, 100+ mph automobiles, fast battleships, main battle tanks, massive super carriers, intercontinental jet powered bombers, supersonic aircraft and nuclear bombs.
Never before or since has a human being ever seen such technological change in a single lifetime.
Two very good posts.
@@Followme556 And that is why the Civil War was absurd. Even the great issue of chattel slavery was dwarfed by what came even over the next 30 years from when the war ended. The institution would not have survived.
"Tom Scott (the older one)" has some great videos. Some of them cover how Texas's guns are loaded. If you compare that to who Iowa's are loaded it's an amazing difference. Texas's loading process is so much harder than on an Iowa.
There were 61 years between the Wright Brothers first flight and the first flight of the SR-71, a mere 61 years to go from just being able to understand why we need tail controls to creating the fastest air breathing jet ever. Not to mention its design team lead Kelly Johnson was a designer on the P-38 where they had no idea what compression from high speed was and a few decades later he's working on the SR-71. It's kind blowing
I love that in his spare time after his full time battleship job Ryan builds battleship models.
can never get enough battleship!
This is the first time i've heard of COBI, and going through their catalogue for the first time made me feel like a kid again. So many awesome kits.
COBI is a Polish company that makes block models of aircraft, tanks, armored vehicles, and ships. And every set is a model of a specific plane, ship, or tank assigned to the particular unit. Not just a random piece of military equipment. My son built USS Enterprise CV-6 from COBI, and several tanks and planes.
COBI is an amazing Polish brick company. Their bricks are compatible with Legos. However they are on another level. I discovered them when they made a Sabaton tank. They are bringing history back to life with their kits and models.
@@nyrmetros I have the Iowa class kit and it was a fun New Year's Eve project.
Their products look awesome!
Cobi is a pretty good company. They are always getting more detailed with their sets. They constantly update their models. They don’t even use stickers in their sets anymore. It’s all prints.
I remember a picture of Wisconsin at Pearl Harbor pulled up next to the hulked hull of Oklahoma. I know Oklahoma is the previous class to Arizona, but the contrast is amazing the size difference. I saw it in a book called The Iowa Class Battleships: Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri & Wisconsin (Weapons and Warfare) by Malcolm Muir. As always great content Battleship New Jersey crew.
In WW2 the old battleships and old cruisers did the majority of the bombardment in the Pacific while the new battleships and new cruisers screened the carriers.
It really shows the shift in strategy during the war.
Yup, they needed the fast battleships to keep up with carriers.
@@DrVictorVasconcelos Remember too - 1945: USS Indianapolis CA 35 - Heavy Cruiser - July 30, 1945: Record still stands today:
USS Indy set a speed record from San Fransico to Pearl Harbor - 74 hours at a speed of 29 knots which is a record today.Delivered main parts of Hiroshima bomb to Island of Tinian. Unescorted by Destroyer she was sunk - 1200 men - 880 in the water when she went down & 315 rescued. In the shark invested water for 5 days. The Newsapers reported this Worst Naval tragedy with a small artical when the War ended a few weeks later. My dad &and I met a survivor from the Indy in a mall years ago and the sharks still haunted him. God Bless our service men & service women - past and present!
I've always thought the Pennsylvania-class (After their modernization) were beautiful looking ships. I'm interested in their unique tripod masts, curious as to what they looked like inside but unfortunately there are no photos of Arizona's interior of the masts. Had they saved a mast from the wreck, it would've been cool to see it as a memorial.
BB-38 vs. BB-62 is like a game of Sheetz vs. Wawa 😉 I personally prefer Ol’ Fallin’ Apart myself - besides, the Pennsylvanias served during TWO World Wars. You can see BB-38’s bell on public display at PSU main campus in State College, and two of her 14”/45’s preserved a few miles away, guarding the gates of the Pennsylvania Military Museum in Boalsburg
Well, the discussion basically is, got they more out of a standard battleship with dozens more being present during the time or out of basically the last of their kind, especially considering the advancements of weaponry they received. Arizona didn't participate in both wars, New Jersey received 19 battle stars, not to mention basically not destroyable fire support in Vietnam and Lebanon. And Missouri and Wisconsin in Iraq. And the entire class in Korea. And Pennsylvania was more or less a coastal gun battery during the last war featuring battleships on all sides and participated in the execution off Fuso and Yamashiro, where her missing wouldn't really had made a difference. If you only include the time until 1945, the Navy surely got more out of the Pennsylvanias, but considering their status during the Cold War, the Iowas were worth the money spent, even with continuous upgrades
Somewhere are barrels from the Arizona. They salvaged the turrets, also there are a set of barrels that came off the arizona in a 30s refit
Crazy to think that Pennsylvania had times when her And Yamamoto almost go toe to toe. Specially after seeing size difference between New Jersey and her little sister
This is the longest and best commercial I’ve ever watched. It worked, too. I was previously unaware of any of these.
You should show us approximately where the current office/employee spaces on New Jersey would be on the model.
So cool. Thanks for doing this video. I had no idea why the turrets were colored back in the day. Ive always thought it was dumb considering they are giant bulls eye targets for airplanes just like we had for the Japanese carriers. So thanks. I also had no clue the two were so vastly diff in size. Wow.
Would love to see a similar
comparison with the QE and KGV classes too.
KGV was already done mate....
To Arizona or New Jersey?
@@Mantheon I believe they are saying comparing the differences between the QE and the KGV. There's around a 20 year gap between the QE and the KGV just like the Arizona and the NJ, though there isn't as much of a difference in size, fire power, or speed.
@@willpat3040 that would sure be interesting, esp with the QEs being represented by HMS Warspite, I should think. it seems at first glance that the difference wouldn't be as great as btw NJ and Arizona.
With KGV being completed entirely during the treaty period, it isn’t as stark a difference; but, would be interesting. Of course, seems Cobi doesn’t have either, which seems strange, being a european company.
The side-by-side comparison shocked me at the size difference...
This is neat. Ryan talks about the ships and models, but also gives modeling painting tips for the ships. I’ve built the Revell kit as a kid, and have a new one to build. Thanks
Seeing models of New Jersey and Arizona shows the differences between them. I would like to see a model of Battleship Texas, built pre WW1 to compare with Arizona (and New Jersey). Maybe it will appear on a the Texas channel.
I literally just finished my Cobi model of New Jersey yesterday! They are fantastic kits.
I have one waiting for some free time. Had to get one after subbing to the channel.
I built my Cobi New Jersey last month. Very satisfying experience, love the detail and I think my favorite Easter egg is the hidden magazine under the aft turret. And when you see the “tool” they give you to attach those tiny black rings, try not to think of the pegs from an older battleship game.
I have the New Jersey and they are a fun kit. Its a long build but the end result is worth it
Is it just me, or does these kits remind anyone else of Lego builds❓🤔❓
@@PhilipFear That's pretty much what they are. LEGO doesn't make military themed kits so companies like COBI stepped up. The pieces are LEGO compatible so you can mix and match
comparison shot was eye opening. WOW
Interesting how Arizona's bow seems to be similar to the Zumwalt DDG.
I too, built a revell Arizona and Iowa when I was younger, I have since upgraded to some Trumpeter 1:200 scale models
To each his own.... but I just don't see the attraction of these Lego type kits. Give me a real scale model anytime. 1:200's....NICE, pretty pricey though. I have the Tamiya 1:350 Musashi.
@@johnstudd4245 I’ve also got a 1:350c CV6, Texas and Akagi, by I ❤️ kit, trumpeter and hasegawa respectively
@@johnstudd4245 also these Lego kits seem really expensive
Now I can't wait for a video including Bismarck and Hood models (the latter I have, sadly made the mistake of just looking for a good discount, not if it also is an executive edition. The black sign on New Jersey and white for Hood don't mix that good)
Love that you are a Lego geek like a bunch of us! Thank you. Keep it up.
You can tell Cobi they made a sale today thanks to this. 😄 I had no idea they even existed, but now I just dropped 500 on 2 kits. I just wish they had a Graf Spee.
23:30 Have to say the ARIZONA. Sure there may be some bias since my home state is the one she was named after & have a cousin still entombed within. But the violently tragic manner in how the USS Arizona was lost and accounting for almost half the lives lost in the attack, became perhaps the most iconic & defining moment of Pearl Harbor that ultimately led to US active entry into WW2.
Could have called this "Battleship Pennsylvania vs Battleship New Jersey". Pennsylvania is the sister ship of Arizona.
Coincidentally, I'm taking the ASVAB military aptitude test at my school on March 31 so this will be interesting
Interesting, I'm 1 ship away from being able to call myself a Cobi Master Builder (I've built Bismark, Scharnhorst, Hood and am currently building New Jersey). Wonder which one No5 will be....
Fascinating video as always, it's remarkable to see how these ships evolved over really not all that long. Interesting method of showing it too.
The Cobi sets are great. I have New Jersey, Missouri, Enterprise, Hood, Yamato, Bismarck, and Graf Zeppelin. I was waiting for an Arizona for a long time. I hope they make some Japanese carriers or Essex class carriers soon.
8x 1250 KW generators. I think perhaps in a past video/post/ thread I made a guess on what NJ had. QTY 8 - pretty sure I had that correct. - the size capability of each- certain I was wrong. However- norm was probably only 3 or 4 on line - others down/ off for necessary maintenance.- I'd wager with absolutely everything ON, 6 generators could handle that load. Cobi models - Look a little bit like Legos to me. Anyone have the power to speed curve for the NJ - how much SHP for her to do 15, 18,21,24 knots? top capacity was 212 KSHP. Wild guess 70 KSHP get you 16 knots.
You really want to have some fun, compare the New Jersey to the Arizona and the battleship Borodino from the Russo-Japanese War of 1904 in 1/350 scale, wow! what a difference.
Bravo enjoyed the comparison between the two ships I have always loved the battleship I still remember visit g the Arizona when I was a kid and was enthralled by the history of the ship designs
I am not knocking the models. But, the Kobe ship's look like Leggo Toys. Although they offer the option of interchangeable parts, I prefer Tamiya kits over these Kobe kits. But, that's just me. As my niece Summer says: "You do you Boo!"
I now really want these models for every US battleship made.
yea that is a battlecruiser.. vs a battleship.. when put side by side.. but even that dreadnought had pretty good range and reach.. i remember reading about Texas flooding her ballast tanks to get the reach on the normandy batteries.. that is a pretty cool trick.
Hmm would look great next to my HMS Warspite
Armored warships must be put back into service.💯
The technology out now uses an exploit that armor cannot defend against.
Sad thing is they tried to use aluminum on newer navy ships. Aluminum melts like you wouldn’t believe.
There was actually a law passed in 2006 that if need be, the Navy can activate the Iowa Class Fast Battleships and re-enter them into service
@@dieHero
You never can tell when Illegal Aliens from Outer Space might attack and it'll take a WWII Iowa Class Battleship with it's obsolete systems from the 1940's and armor strong enough to shirk off heavy gunfire to give Man a fighting chance to survive....
Oh man I know exactly what I wanna get for my birthday this year! Thank you!
wonder if you can build a Montana out of an Iowa and a Pennsylvania
06:27 oh my god, i knew Arizona did not stand a chance against the bombs that would kill her but without a medium calibre anti-aircraft battery and no air search radar antenna means USS Arizona is completely defenceless against the air attack that killed her
I am sorry but the American government of the time deserves a lot of criticism for its failure to invest in its industry to ensure Arizona had the stuff she needed to
You got to love cobi for making there own custom pieces
Great vid as always!! Trivia question for all. Which is the biggest and longest individual battleship the US ever had? Not class of battleship, the individual.
COBI!! Great stuff! Glad they finally released the USS Arizona!
Re 'master builders' - a mentor of mine, who worked for Them in the early-mid 1990's, told me that then, internally, 'master builders' was a phrase used to describe the
Love Cobi kits, have many.
Just guessing before the ad spiel is over, NJ vs. AZ would make the latter's death at Pearl Harbor look like the better option. 14"/45s vs 16"/50s and ten knots slower? Yeaeeeah....
But I'd like a little model of Arizona.
The University of Arizona has some anchor chain, armor plating, the ship's bell in the student center and an outline of the ship's deck in the campus mall outside Old Main.
The Arizona looks like a crusier next to the New Jersey.
USS Pennsylvania BB 38 - sister of Arizona - Survived (2) atomic bombs at bikini atoll in 1946 and it took many shells fired from navy ships to finally sink her in 1948.
Think you are mistaking her for Nevada, unless they decided to abuse the crap out of her the same way and I am missing something.
@@jesseusgrantcanales Yes, you are correct: 10 February 1948 photo of the Pennsylvania (BB-38) being scuttled off Kwajalein after being subjected to both "Crossroads" atomic blasts. She was towed to Kwajalein after the explosions and studied there. Too "hot" to handle, she was simply towed to sea and scuttled at the conclusion of the radiation studies. The heavy cruiser USS Salt Lake City survived the atomic bombs and was sunk by aircraft and naval gun fire! Take care!
Great video. COBI MasterBuilder as well here. I have the Yamato, Scharnhorst, Prinz Eugen, Enterprise, Bismarck and working on my Arizona and would love to get another kit for the Pennsylvania.
ya had we built the 6 South Dakotas like planned the earlier standards probably wouldn't have been around by ww2
YOU, are a GEM ! Thanks Ryan for all that you do.
What a cool model i totally want one bad , i love the simplicity and quality along with the historical accuracy
Ryan mentions the Iowa-class not having a 4th turret (aft section) due to the Washington Naval Treaty. Hypothetically, could a 4th turret in the aft section even fit? What would be displaced/reduced, fuel storage, engine room, etc.?
Sadly no. A turret barbette goes all the way down to the kneel, so it couldn’t be added even if they wanted it to. Ryan was also mistaken when he said New Jersey was limited by the Washington Treaty (Most likely just a slip up). The Iowa’s were actually the first not to be limited by it, since the North Carolina’s and South Dakota’s were and had to be rushed into construction due to the need for modern battleships. In terms of the fourth turret on a Iowa style hull, I’d look at the Montana-class which the channel recently did a video on. It will help explain why it was not included on the Iowa’s in more detail, but to summarize, the Iowa’s were to be the fast wing of the battle line (33 knots,3 turrets), while the Montana were to be its slower yet heavier hitters (27 knots, 4 turrets). 6 knots makes more of a difference in both actual speed and the design process than many people would think.
Thanks for the explanation.
That would make it more of the Montana Class that was designed to be a 12 x 16in/50 design....
@@cousin_x_caps7347 I thought the Iowa's were limited by the escalator clause of the WNT?
Pennsylvania was one of the first hit and one of the last hit
After you kit bash the model you should talk about the last updates to Pennsylvania.
I suggested in my entry, comparing Arizona,Texas and New Jersey but want to add also North Carolina to show through the years maybe more.
Lol, i did not expect this, but it's funny to me because i have the New Jersey kit. Had to get it after subbing to the channel. I plan to visit as soon as possible so i can touch a piece of it to the real ship.
I kinda started this "make LEGO type builds and touch parts of it to the real thing" after visiting the MV Doulos library ship many, many years ago.
These new model kits look like toys. When I built models in the 1960s, they looked like display replicas. In a 1/400 model almost nothing was functional. The main turrets rotated, and the main guns elevated and that was it. Everything else was too small and was glued in place. You could, however, see the clear superiority of New Jersey to Bismark just by setting the two models side by side. In all fairness I would rather have a North Carolina class than a Bismark. The difference in speed was not substantial and the difference in firepower etc. clearly was.
They still make nice actual scale model ships. Much better than the ones we grew up with. A lot more money though! They still sell some of the old kits that are quite affordable, like the Revell Arizona.
In 1941 the Arizona was in serious need of a rebuild
Your mic does not seem to be connecting properly I don't know I can't hear you have the time
Great vid as always, and I gotta say I'm loving the beard too, Ryan!
The Pennsylvania should've been preserved as a museum ship and not wasted in the A-bomb tests. Unfortunately the Navy mentality of the time was "what are we going to do with all of this excess junk from the war?".
Good presentation. Subscribed
These are awesome sets. I really need to save up for more Cobi ships. Incredible detail for the price. As for which ship provided better service? I would say they both did just fine for what they were designed for.
Ryan, the Ship's Bell from USS Arizona, is at the
Phoenix VA hospital. I think, without you having
that model of Arizona touching a piece of Arizona,
I could accomplish that. And, it is the Ship's Bell.
steve
Who comes up with these stupid coparisons? Standard class with 14/50 main battery against 16/50 main battery. Plus, speed and armor differences. This is almost as stupid as the Iowa class vs the Graf Spee. Come to myse
Wouldn't be that much of a fight considering New Jersey would pumal Arizona with its 16" killers from range using Jersey's radar which Arizona has no radar..
I’ve built 2 dozen Cobi tanks, I’m a Command Master Builder, armor division. I need to re-enlist in the sea warfare division, these are damn cool, ordering each of them. I want to add a sub and some others to that fleet.
Come to think of it, I’ve built 3 of their aircraft, going on 4, what does that rank in at? Sargent?
What I build 5 of each, armor, sea and aircraft? Major Builder?
What? $200-$250 for those kits. The one you’re showing looks like crap. Those aren’t scale models, they are almost like Tinker Toys. Huge and gross.
just eyeball, the distance from the forward main gun to rear main gun is different between Arizona and New Jersey, but not as much in overall length.
The main armament and propulsion machinery is in this span.
If anyone has a history of steam plant pressure / superheating over time, I would like to know. I believe even late WWII ships were 600 lb? and 2000 lb plants were post-WWII?
Love your videos I watch all the time and also I am subscribed even got the chance to visit in the summer of 2022, anyway I just wanted to add a couple of firsts for Pennsylvania class, she was the first American class of battleships to have 4 triple turrets and the first to break 600 FT in length
I wouldn't pay $20 for those things. They look like cheap rubbish. What's with all the exposed and obvious lines all over them? And as for realstic looks, they are about as realistic as babies toys.
My mental Summarization after the finishing of the video is that even though we can always build some new badass things in modern times to take out our enemies, you still better watch your back for that one 'old man' who can still kick your ass without batting an eyelash. Back then it was the Iowa Class when it looked at it's elder Penn. Class....today the Iowa class holds those reins.
I can only imagine how much fear can be manifested if all the Battleship lovers of today got together and had full rights to make a line of Ships for the Navy.
Fun fact every year on December 7th at 12:10 pm they ring the Arizona's bell 8 time's once for each Arizonan whom died abound the ship.
you are barely scratching the surface on Kitbashing.
got several kits at hand, go for broke and build a supership with 6 or even 8 Main Gun turrets.
an absolute forest of AA emplacements and such to create a fearsome opponent.
As a kid,, I had a nice Arizona model that I spent many hours on building and painting. And it gave my older brothers several moments of fun blowing up with a m80.
Was your model missing some parts of the tripod mast? It appears that there are only the two aft supports of the forward mast making it look like the range finding top was "floating" without support.
Unless you have torpedo launchers, the key is to hit the deck of the other ship first with your main guns. If you hit the munitions bay... that's the real way to take out a battleship. That's why the Hood sank and also the Arizona.
I'm not sure 'better' is the right term, but considering the quantum shift in technology and the periods of time New Jersey saw service, it could be argued that the Iowas were so well built they were still relevant in the middle nineties. While their active service years were lower than Arizona's, the ability to adapt the Iowas for new conflicts has to count for something.
They need to make a Texas build kit
can you explain the Division colors better all the stuff im finding shows AZ to be 2nd ship PA is first ship in Division 1 ... and how did it go ?? front turrets are division color and rear turret is number in line color?
I believe I built a Revell model of USS Arizona in the late 1960s or early 1970s.
I hate to be rude, but those are terrible models, more caricatures of the ships they're supposed to represent. If I wanted something that crude, I could do better making my own from sheets of heavy paper.
Im pretty sure in my past life, I served on one of the battleships.
My great grandfather served on the USS Arizona & on the USS Missouri
Chief Samansky, You fart around pretty good. Thanks for sharing
I don't know if anyone ever noticed Arizona's gun mounts are missing her guns! They were salvaged and used as shore batteries .
Please refrain referring to the USS Arizona as a Tub. I'm sure you didn't mean it.
I now just figured out how I would spend my hypothetical money.
It sure would have been something to see a modern Arizona like the Jersey!!!
I only just got around to watching this video only to learn I missed the contest by one day...
Better have some kind words for our ship, or I may take a road trip just to argue with you! Love from AZ
You should take the actual models out of the box to claim it has touched the actual Arizona.