Oh wow that's awesome. Haven't even looked at the Estonian focus tree but they've included us Sami and all the other tiny nations like the Nenets and Mari into this tree.
You seem to get frustrated with your navy when you put them on strike force. I dont know if you are aware or not, but a fleet on strike force mission is SUPPOSED to return to port until an enemy fleet is located, they then leave the port to engage. You're supposed to have a small fast fleet patrolling to locate enemy fleets, and your strike force fleet is meant to be your bigger fleet with firepower (ideally).
This. Must admit, I always thought the name "strike force" was self-explanatory; it's a force that strikes at the enemy when no enemy is visible = no striking! :D
Yeah, it's beginning to get annoying when he complains about Navy for the fifteenth time. It's not even that hard to understand and setup, just takes a bit of time
Since you're exploring new stuff with the DLC, how about you explore a new leader for France that came with the patch that was released alongside said DLC - Rene Nicod? And so you have a challenge to go with exploring him, here's one I came up with: -Play as France, Go Communist, and go down the "Loyalty to the Cause" Branch (if you choose Loyalty to Moscow, you keep Thorez; Nicod is available if you do Loyalty to the Cause or Anti-Fascist Coalition) -Puppet the UK, Germany, Italy, and Spain (if the Republicans win the Spanish Civil War, you can ignore them), as well as any other nations you want (you do not have to fight Japan, the USA, or Soviet Union if you don't want to) -You must instigate a worker's revolution in Germany -No Order 66 against any country you get a war goal on through a focus
New focus trees: cool interesting and historical ideas Estonian focus tree: either conquer the world or become submissive and breedable to Germany or Russia
What I like to do with my operatives if I just want to do collaborations is build the network to 60% and put a single agent to do the quiet network mission, it makes it so the network does not degrade and the agent is pretty safe, even in the USSR (so far in all my games I never saw an agent in this kind of mission be captured or killed)
@@deerdust360 Yes to make sure that you convoys don't get sunk, however, since his capital was in Tallin and supplies go from the capital to supply hubs/ports this situation made it better to use a port
Exercise your troops as a pure infantry template then switch to the one with support. You will loose hardly any experience and you can train them back up without loosing much artillery
Yeah maybe in the setting.txt file? Talking about the snow ‘issue’ I’m not sure tho. If it can be removed it’s probably there. Pure 20 width infrantry, with support, rcokets, recon, entrenchment, signal companies. should do the work Aslo put overwhelming firepower on your generals
The manpower problem is partially why I prefer to release sweden and norway as puppets, because they only become cores when you're done with the soviet union. So you lose a number of manpower on garrisons. I personally prefer to get Finland, don't trigger finno-urgic yet, and first conquer the baltics when you have the finnish units. After doing the decision for the baltic cores, do finno urgic, it's a better color. :3
@Taureor, since Mongolia survived Barbarossa it is the leader of the Comintern and hence is considered a major nation. So you could start a war with them and get as a fascist nation 10 day justifications vs say the middle eastern countries if those dont get guaranteed by the allies they will automatically join the commintern and you can peace them out in one go. Just some food for thought, take care.
@@512TheWolf512 it is something Estonia could try to do. They have strong bonds to finns and finnic tribes. It was something that many finnish nationalists wanted to do, including Mannerheim and many other officers and politicians. Sweden and other scandinavian countries would never succumb to estonia. Scandinavian union under estonia would be impossible.
@@512TheWolf512 estonia and finland are not nordic countries. They are finno ugric. In terms of roleplay realism, it is more realistic, even if not feasible in real life. An estonian nationalist government would NEVER throw away its identity in favour of all Scandinavian unity. They would face an unexplainable amount of backpash from their supporters.
You can ask all of the axis for lend-lease directly, Italy and Germany can send you up to 30k guns a few years into the game. In general, Turkey and all the other Asian non-aligned countries will send you lots of guns if relations with them are at least 40-60
Id love to try this when I buy the dlc. I dont know why they thought the collaboration gov was a good idea. The lag it causes is insane. The event pop up spam when you're trying a world conquer is even more insane.
Hey, Challenge idea: Try germany, go for the Holy Roman Empire focus but in the civil war transfer over to the German Reich and win the civil war, then conquer allies or soviet union, it will be hard with no focus tree no research and well, nothing really but i would love to see it!
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Combat width exploration would definitely be interesting. I have found 27 width to be very effective across multiple games. Much more effective than large templates in the 39-43 range. Those seem to have issues fitting into combat. Smaller templates in the 20-30 range have worked better for me but I could be missing something
If youre out for the achievement to own all of the baltic coast this would be the way to go - after getting your cores start to justify against the germans and build at least one more army group like Taureor said and stomp them and italy. Two armies towards romania and hungary, three kn the german bulge and your main forces at the memel to push into the german heartland (maybe covering the north of rhe bulge too, in case supply gets too bad), one on the denmark strait and some divisions left at home in case germany decides to naval invade Take all of the baltic coast in the peace deal and boom, you should’ve got it. I played the baltic a lot since nsb but didnt manage to get those results. Yet. Ill try again today, thank you Taureor!
Excercising with artillery: Due to quirky rules, when excercising with artillery, relative losses are: - Support artillery only: 24, - 1 line battalion: 24, - Support + 1 line: 25. Conclusion: LTR.
You could have just built a level one port and connected with a railway on that tile and saved the supply hub buff for later - port does same job as supply hub, especially useful in North Africa
@@Taureor I have the old version of the game and checked the settings. Seems like the "High Quality Pixel Shaders" option is what removed snow before. But I see you also have it disabled here so I guess Paradox "fixed" this :/ and the snow is not affected by the quality of shaders anymore? :( it still might be worth checking if this setting affects anything at all tho :/
Against the USSR I've had decent success with smaller units, because supply - width 10-16. re: supply hubs - it looked like you left the rail cap at 1. As rail is cheap wouldn't rail level 3 be better?
The good thing if you manage to keep mongolia and tannu tuva together, is you can start a war with them and after usually you can attack other countries that will automatically join them, just be careful not to be in war with the allies (or be in a faction that's at war with them, to not merge the wars).
Hold on a second, did you just imply that Wojtek, the bearer of artillery ca be crowned in Poland? Taureor that absolutely has to be your very next video just for the lols!
Im pretty sure he already has done it. It's when you get the Romanovs crowned and after some time passes you can impeach her (in a word) and get Wojtek in.
@Taureor I would love to see you going for the Romanov tree for the soviets. I tried myself and it works well enough, but I am far from having an optimal game that way yet.
When I played this on my own, I went to Service by Requirement and didn't have enough supply with the anti-soviet divisions, nor the manpower at Service by Requirement. I considered Every Adult Serves as too high a cost in my production, so I just marched to Moscow with a METRIC TON of CAS and fighters. Weak divisions, strong air makes for a great offensive
Is it possible to survive any length of time as a newly fomed Nordic Union/Empire in No Step Back? If I try to not join a faction, Soviet declares war on me eventually, regardless if I give them Karjala or not. I´m not an expert by any means and I get steamrolled by the Soviets eventually. If I join a faction I get steamrolled by the Allies or the Axis eventually. Is there a way to make Soviet pleased with Karjala, and back off, or are the Nordic Union doomed in the long run, regardless?
@@aidenbooksmith2351 Not directly, but you get Finnish cores as part of the Nordic Empire decision. And as competing the focus requires you or a subject to own all the necessary land, it's pretty much a non-issue.
@@-horoshilov-8272 I should have phrased that batter. To complete the focus, you or a subject needs to own all of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. Once you do, the focus annexes Finland. Then you have all the land necessary to form the Nordic Union.
so much dmg done to himself with all the units stacked they lack suply and starv. thats a lot of manpower loses there. Plus for anyone trying the same build the supply hub in the middle + a railway and upgrade it to lvl 2 all the way back home. That will help you to not lose troops and equipment because your units dont lose supply in the invasion of sweden.
i've been trying to do this exact path for a few days now, failed a few times already, but now it's going fine, currently at war with the USSR with the Axis and with the aliies because Japan
Sorry to just use the comments section for help, but my friend and I can't join each other's servers. It says connection timed out. Could it be because he is on xbox app and I am on steam? If you know a fix please say, thank you.
Its Finno-Ungric, because finnish and hungarian laguage have the same roots. And they are the only languages of that kind! Its a mistery for me how that worked and how they become so different over time!
Playing non historical is super easy in the latest patch. The whole world goes down an alt tree and balence goes out the window. Especially if Russia does the branch where the puppets break off. You can take all of them with no fear of intervention and then Russia is an easy score
Taureor when he loses half of Estonia to Sweden: Kalm
Taureor when he sees snow: Angery
Oh wow that's awesome. Haven't even looked at the Estonian focus tree but they've included us Sami and all the other tiny nations like the Nenets and Mari into this tree.
Are you Sami? Im a Finn and have alot of respect for you
@@nevize6660 Im a german and you baltic and nordic nations have my total respect for your past!
@@lutendoxd3987 goes both ways, massive respect for deutschland, 🇫🇮♥️🇩🇪
@@nevize6660 massive respect for Suomi 🇩🇪🤝🇫🇮
@@lutendoxd3987 I am Italian and I have absolutely no respect neither for g*rmans, nor for baltoids
Wow , Estonia went Finno-Ugric and took over stuff.
I am disappoint that he did not comment on the flag, which is a cool reindeer
Ikr so crazy that Estonia went Finno-Ugric and took over stuff.
@@maude7420 dude i can’t believe that estonia went finno-ugric and took over stuff smh
Really? I did not know that Estonia went Finno-Urgric and took over stuff.
@@katify8920 Are you foreal? It's unbelievable that Estonia went Finno-Ugric and took over stuff.
Estonia takes over "stuff". Nothing much, only half of the biggest continent in the world.
I’m suprised Paradox didn’t add a Finnish focus tree to No Step Back. I felt like that should have been in the DLC
I'd reckon they're saving that for a possible Nordic DLC.
@@OltsuSuomesta that will be the next one I think, then Italy + plane dlc
probably gonna be a 30$ DLC that only gives like 2 nations a tree
@@albinskold8792 no, it will be a $30 expansion that has 3 focus trees called Scandinavia
i am more surprised that there still is no Austrian focus.
With naval management, try using the "patrol" or "convoy raid". That should help.
You seem to get frustrated with your navy when you put them on strike force. I dont know if you are aware or not, but a fleet on strike force mission is SUPPOSED to return to port until an enemy fleet is located, they then leave the port to engage. You're supposed to have a small fast fleet patrolling to locate enemy fleets, and your strike force fleet is meant to be your bigger fleet with firepower (ideally).
This. Must admit, I always thought the name "strike force" was self-explanatory; it's a force that strikes at the enemy when no enemy is visible = no striking! :D
Taurior is actually such a one-trick noob, and we all love him :D
@@JohnSmith-bs9ym I'm a one trick noob, where is my child and wife?
Yeah, it's beginning to get annoying when he complains about Navy for the fifteenth time. It's not even that hard to understand and setup, just takes a bit of time
@@sweginator1084 30 years maybe? Or never because you are single for the rest of your life XD
Iconic Taureor moment:
"Research some research."
Since you're exploring new stuff with the DLC, how about you explore a new leader for France that came with the patch that was released alongside said DLC - Rene Nicod?
And so you have a challenge to go with exploring him, here's one I came up with:
-Play as France, Go Communist, and go down the "Loyalty to the Cause" Branch (if you choose Loyalty to Moscow, you keep Thorez; Nicod is available if you do Loyalty to the Cause or Anti-Fascist Coalition)
-Puppet the UK, Germany, Italy, and Spain (if the Republicans win the Spanish Civil War, you can ignore them), as well as any other nations you want (you do not have to fight Japan, the USA, or Soviet Union if you don't want to)
-You must instigate a worker's revolution in Germany
-No Order 66 against any country you get a war goal on through a focus
I would definitely be interested in combat width tests
I agree with that.
Perfect timing, I was just about to go to sleep
Hehe, me too, Taureor's voice is the best lullaby :)
@@jacekgedek3872 looked him up because I wanted to hear the calm voice plus watch some hoi4 content and saw the upload, great feeling
What a madlad I am, when I wake up the next morning, and in my wake of destruction from the night before I find I'm halfway through a Taureor video!
@@D64nz i wake up and learn that I watched 3 hours of taueror by accident
New focus trees: cool interesting and historical ideas
Estonian focus tree: either conquer the world or become submissive and breedable to Germany or Russia
What I like to do with my operatives if I just want to do collaborations is build the network to 60% and put a single agent to do the quiet network mission, it makes it so the network does not degrade and the agent is pretty safe, even in the USSR (so far in all my games I never saw an agent in this kind of mission be captured or killed)
Literally just got home today, just to see a video by Taureor! What a great welcome home present!
Haven’t even started yet and I’ve already like and commented. Excited to watch and thanks for the first video of the New Years. Cheers!
8:07 I think you should have built a port instead, they are like supply hubs but cheaper
Do you need naval supremacy for ports??
@@deerdust360 Yes to make sure that you convoys don't get sunk, however, since his capital was in Tallin and supplies go from the capital to supply hubs/ports this situation made it better to use a port
@@deerdust360 I think you can connect it with rail too. I got supply from it without having any convoys.
When I heard, "You were able to disable snow before." The first sentence that came to my head was, "Wait... that was an option?"
NPC
Exercise your troops as a pure infantry template then switch to the one with support. You will loose hardly any experience and you can train them back up without loosing much artillery
I think you do get cores on Finland and also annex them for free with the scandinavian path
Yeah maybe in the setting.txt file?
Talking about the snow ‘issue’ I’m not sure tho. If it can be removed it’s probably there.
Pure 20 width infrantry, with support, rcokets, recon, entrenchment, signal companies. should do the work
Aslo put overwhelming firepower on your generals
"I don't know why they keep calling Fascist stuff 'Greater'"
Paradox: 😳
The manpower problem is partially why I prefer to release sweden and norway as puppets, because they only become cores when you're done with the soviet union. So you lose a number of manpower on garrisons. I personally prefer to get Finland, don't trigger finno-urgic yet, and first conquer the baltics when you have the finnish units. After doing the decision for the baltic cores, do finno urgic, it's a better color. :3
I love these videos, keep it up!
@Taureor, since Mongolia survived Barbarossa it is the leader
of the Comintern and hence is considered a major nation. So you could start a war with them and get as a fascist nation 10 day justifications vs say the middle eastern countries if those dont get guaranteed by the allies they will automatically join the commintern and you can peace them out in one go. Just some food for thought, take care.
"estonia is scandinavia" path is better, it has comparable resulting manpower but even more factories in core territory
Yeah but larping finno ugria is realistic and fun
@@delta6378 ralistic?
@@512TheWolf512 it is something Estonia could try to do. They have strong bonds to finns and finnic tribes. It was something that many finnish nationalists wanted to do, including Mannerheim and many other officers and politicians.
Sweden and other scandinavian countries would never succumb to estonia. Scandinavian union under estonia would be impossible.
@@delta6378 any unions where someone, like a president and a cabinet of ministers, has to give up power and access to tax money, are impossible
@@512TheWolf512 estonia and finland are not nordic countries. They are finno ugric. In terms of roleplay realism, it is more realistic, even if not feasible in real life. An estonian nationalist government would NEVER throw away its identity in favour of all Scandinavian unity. They would face an unexplainable amount of backpash from their supporters.
Nice video Taureor, i learned to play from you! Keep doing this videos!
You can ask all of the axis for lend-lease directly, Italy and Germany can send you up to 30k guns a few years into the game. In general, Turkey and all the other Asian non-aligned countries will send you lots of guns if relations with them are at least 40-60
Id love to try this when I buy the dlc.
I dont know why they thought the collaboration gov was a good idea. The lag it causes is insane. The event pop up spam when you're trying a world conquer is even more insane.
This is the first Taureor video I’ve watched in a while. Glad to see it’s still just as good, if not better.
Hey, Challenge idea: Try germany, go for the Holy Roman Empire focus but in the civil war transfer over to the German Reich and win the civil war, then conquer allies or soviet union, it will be hard with no focus tree no research and well, nothing really but i would love to see it!
Your amazing videos are worth the wait
Thank you!
@@Taureor Welcome
Even this Nation has a better Focus Tree than Italy lmao
Every nation does arugebly but yeah
this didn’t age well
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Oh my god, you have no idea at what a perfect time this video was uploaded for me. Thank you Taureor!
I would like to see this continue.
Combat width exploration would definitely be interesting. I have found 27 width to be very effective across multiple games. Much more effective than large templates in the 39-43 range. Those seem to have issues fitting into combat. Smaller templates in the 20-30 range have worked better for me but I could be missing something
Oh Taureor.. remember me when you get to that elusive 1M. I love to see your channel grow. It's been 3 years that I'm around ^^' Cheers.
“The vapid youth” 🔥
You should do a Korea annexes Japan playthrough
Challenge: bring back the Phoenician lands back as Lebanon
You may not be able to change the snow, because they made it so that it's a more important mechanic, affecting supply, and army stats
He’s just wanting to disable the texture, not the effect
Thanks for the video, Taureor! Do you reckon you could do a video where you play as whites Russia after a civil war and defeat Germany afterwards?
Finno-Ugric Khagnate basically.
If youre out for the achievement to own all of the baltic coast this would be the way to go - after getting your cores start to justify against the germans and build at least one more army group like Taureor said and stomp them and italy. Two armies towards romania and hungary, three kn the german bulge and your main forces at the memel to push into the german heartland (maybe covering the north of rhe bulge too, in case supply gets too bad), one on the denmark strait and some divisions left at home in case germany decides to naval invade
Take all of the baltic coast in the peace deal and boom, you should’ve got it.
I played the baltic a lot since nsb but didnt manage to get those results. Yet. Ill try again today, thank you Taureor!
Yay! new video! been waiting for this!
I was just waiting for you!
Great, you are back!
Excercising with artillery: Due to quirky rules, when excercising with artillery, relative losses are:
- Support artillery only: 24,
- 1 line battalion: 24,
- Support + 1 line: 25.
Conclusion: LTR.
Love your videos, i've been waiting 2for taureor uploads
Your voice is really calming
def would wanna see a combat width vid
Oh my the color is gorgeous
You could have just built a level one port and connected with a railway on that tile and saved the supply hub buff for later - port does same job as supply hub, especially useful in North Africa
I would like to see a new sweden gameplay,where you take over all the nordic and baltic states, and maybe beat up soviets. :)
think he already did that, just without the baltics, i doubt he will do it, unless Sweden gets a focus tree.
wishing for a nordic dlc soon :)
Boring he should do Finland and unite Finno Ugrics and take over Scandinavia
And take back Karelia
Elagu Eesti!
Thanks for the video
Damn. Bitt3rsteel beat you to Siberian Tiger.
You love to see if you do it differently!
Siberian tiger? Is that some operation, or achievement?
@@Taureor it's an achievement.
@@Taureor I have the old version of the game and checked the settings. Seems like the "High Quality Pixel Shaders" option is what removed snow before. But I see you also have it disabled here so I guess Paradox "fixed" this :/ and the snow is not affected by the quality of shaders anymore? :( it still might be worth checking if this setting affects anything at all tho :/
And then my day just got perfect! Taureor posted!
Against the USSR I've had decent success with smaller units, because supply - width 10-16.
re: supply hubs - it looked like you left the rail cap at 1. As rail is cheap wouldn't rail level 3 be better?
yes but hungary is also finno-ugoric, they might have missed out on that one
The good thing if you manage to keep mongolia and tannu tuva together, is you can start a war with them and after usually you can attack other countries that will automatically join them, just be careful not to be in war with the allies (or be in a faction that's at war with them, to not merge the wars).
Hold on a second, did you just imply that Wojtek, the bearer of artillery ca be crowned in Poland? Taureor that absolutely has to be your very next video just for the lols!
Im pretty sure he already has done it. It's when you get the Romanovs crowned and after some time passes you can impeach her (in a word) and get Wojtek in.
I’d love to see the Siberian tigger achievement!
"And takes over stuff"
All of your videos could be subtitled this way.
Challenge:play as karella (releasable nation of Finland)
I'd definitely like to see you test combat widths.
@Taureor I would love to see you going for the Romanov tree for the soviets. I tried myself and it works well enough, but I am far from having an optimal game that way yet.
Yooo I just played the Estonian focus it feels so op to take Finland and then all of the Baltic’s lol
It's hilarious the Estonia has a far better focus tree than Italy 😂😂
Taureror, if you unite Scandinavia as Estonia you do annex and core Finland at the end the only difference is that you dont get any cores in Russia.
Wow, Estonia went Finno-Ugric and took over stuff
Taureor! You need to upgrade the railways too!
If I had one nickle each time you made my day better i would have more money than jeff bezos,thank you
When I played this on my own, I went to Service by Requirement and didn't have enough supply with the anti-soviet divisions, nor the manpower at Service by Requirement. I considered Every Adult Serves as too high a cost in my production, so I just marched to Moscow with a METRIC TON of CAS and fighters. Weak divisions, strong air makes for a great offensive
Is it possible to survive any length of time as a newly fomed Nordic Union/Empire in No Step Back? If I try to not join a faction, Soviet declares war on me eventually, regardless if I give them Karjala or not. I´m not an expert by any means and I get steamrolled by the Soviets eventually. If I join a faction I get steamrolled by the Allies or the Axis eventually. Is there a way to make Soviet pleased with Karjala, and back off, or are the Nordic Union doomed in the long run, regardless?
Good work man, I got a question though, whats your like best division template, or like goto template when you want to demolish everyone? Thanks :)
and Taureor leaves Lotwa for last....
it seems that there is no love in his heart towards my land....
:D
Sheeeeesh looking good
Eastory is proud of you
Taureor upload? This is a very good day :)
Tbh I kinda want to see you play a game as Josef going (semi) historical
All weather conditions that showed on the map would be turned off if you disabled weather but now everything is shown it seems
I wonder why Hungary was not included, because it's also Finno-Ugric language.
that massive winter offensive in 1940 was nuts
15:13 - Ugro-Finnish them off
Can u make maybe a japan guide on the new dlc?
Increasing cheap railway is also useful to make supply hubs better. Yo do not need to build that many supply hubs
Just FYI. As long as they’re in your faction, you annex Finland when you complete “Estonia is Scandinavia”.
;But do you get cores?
@@aidenbooksmith2351 Not directly, but you get Finnish cores as part of the Nordic Empire decision. And as competing the focus requires you or a subject to own all the necessary land, it's pretty much a non-issue.
@@marx252 but if you are in a faction with finland, finland is not your subject, is it?
@@-horoshilov-8272 I should have phrased that batter. To complete the focus, you or a subject needs to own all of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. Once you do, the focus annexes Finland. Then you have all the land necessary to form the Nordic Union.
I seem to only get the homosexual webtoon ads on hoi4 videos they know us too well
so much dmg done to himself with all the units stacked they lack suply and starv. thats a lot of manpower loses there. Plus for anyone trying the same build the supply hub in the middle + a railway and upgrade it to lvl 2 all the way back home. That will help you to not lose troops and equipment because your units dont lose supply in the invasion of sweden.
if u make the alliance with Finland Instead and they agree onto it, once you unify Nordic countries you also annex and gain cores to Finland
You actually get Finland on the other path
It is automatically annexed by the last focus
But it isn’t cored, he did mention that
@@Thermonnuclear it is you just dont core those 3 territories that SSSR wants from you (which sucks ass imo)
Taureor, I have a question. What would happen if as Poland you got the Habsburg king but Hungary restored Austria Hungary?
i've been trying to do this exact path for a few days now, failed a few times already, but now it's going fine, currently at war with the USSR with the Axis and with the aliies because Japan
Hungary is also Finno-Ugric, but they don't get the ability to form this nation.
sad
Sorry to just use the comments section for help, but my friend and I can't join each other's servers. It says connection timed out. Could it be because he is on xbox app and I am on steam?
If you know a fix please say, thank you.
Its Finno-Ungric, because finnish and hungarian laguage have the same roots.
And they are the only languages of that kind!
Its a mistery for me how that worked and how they become so different over time!
It would be awesome if Taureor played with non-historic settings. How would he adapt to the environment?
Playing non historical is super easy in the latest patch. The whole world goes down an alt tree and balence goes out the window. Especially if Russia does the branch where the puppets break off. You can take all of them with no fear of intervention and then Russia is an easy score
18:38 POV Germany 1941
pls do the crusader kings 2 achievement would be great to watch!
This was first thing I did when this new DLC dropped, I think it was quite easy