I am so extremely lucky not only to have chosen to build my new high-end gaming PC in November, but also to have been able to snag an Asus TUF RTX 3080 for its original MSRP of $750. It really pains me, however, that this is considered "priced too low". This was a normal price for the highest-end tier prior to the RTX lineup. The GTX 1080 released for $599. The GTX 980 released for $549. The GTX 780 for $649. All because NVidia spiked the GPU prices to ridiculous levels for the RTX-2000 lineup lead people to believe that the return to "normal" prices for the RTX-3000 lineup was a steal. Mix in Covid's impact on manufacturing, Trump's tariffs, and crytomining and what you end up with are permanently screwed up prices.
Yeah, lucky us. Considering that gpu cryptomining's computing power is infinitely scalable, i dont think that chipmakers will be able to satisfy gpu demand. Which means, we wont be able to upgrade any time soon.
Great content Ari. I was glad to have been able to build a PC each for myself and my wife before March 2020. Also I was luckily able to go from a 5700 XT to a 6700 XT then 3080 (both at MSRP through Newegg shuffle), then able to sell both to fully pay off the 3080.
What the current pricing and shortages has really done (probably to the delight of the manufacturers) is change the price/performance curve to the point where it makes little sense to buy a system with last gen (or earlier) parts. I had set up a system before all this hit, but sadly the funds weren't there. It would have been around $1500 then. By the time I was able to afford it, that same system would have cost $2000 and just wasn't worth it when I was able to get one with the most current gen parts from an SI for a few hundred more. I'm very glad I locked in my price when I did, because the system I got would now cost a few hundred more even with SI's being able to still get the parts at wholesale.
Right, SIs are booming right now, awesome business to be in as long as they are established enough to get GPUs at wholesale. I listed a few SI options in the video description that I'd recommended.
Love your content! So glad to have found it and subbed! Great effort, it comes across very well on video! Thanks :) Do you think you could make some B-die content…? (for us tweakers xD)
I bought a keyboard for 150 €. My G19 from 2011 was priced the same, so 10 years of service is quite a long time for a keyboard. This is a white Durgod Hades 65% mechanical with Cherry MX Brown switches. I think I have to change mouse in the near future as my G502 is in great shape but the newer mice looks like a noticiable improvement. If I have to buy hardware is because I'm desperate to repair something. Otherwise rather than spending 1.5K on new hardware I'd take a TV (I don't have one and my monitor has only DP) and an Xbox. It was hard for me to justify the 980Ti Amp Extreme for 730 € (it was at discount price) in 2016 cause I used to buy X70s for 330. And the i7K went for 300€ in the physical shop. I've plenty of hobbies that can dry my bank account other than gaming. I don't see the point in buying stuff that even at MSRP isn't worth as much. Money = time and effort.
Just finished watching couple videos and tbh, you're underrated tuber who deserves more attention! Glad to find your channel. Would you recommend postponing building new RIG till Intel 12th gen CPUs launch or going ahead?
Welcome! Alder Lake is interesting from a tech perspective, but I think it will be a big mess at launch and create a lot of problems for games until the entire industry switches to the big little design, which may never happen. There's also the issue of many new standards for motherboards. This is not where being an early adopter makes sense.
No. They have already announced their plan. New, faster Zen 3 CPUs coming in Q1'22. Then and only then will AMD drop prices, but more likely it will discontinue current Zen 3 and maintain or raise prices.
hey buddy i have a weird issue with a pc i recently bought and its really odd, its an asrock h310cm hdv/m.2 motherboard i have 3 hard drives on it 250gb ssd for windows and main programs, a 3tb hdd for games, and a 1tb seagate barracuda that i use for model files and such and from time to time my hard drives will not show in task manager and whatever i was doing at the time usually saving a file or deleting something it will take a long time basically until the hard drives reappear, and the 1tb which has no programs installed on it will be at 100% disk usage and no programs are showing using it. any help would be appreciated, a friend told me it may be a bios bug but just not sure at this point.
Keep an eye on the Sabrent 2TB PCIe Gen 4: amzn.to/3hvL7nD Also the Corsair MP600 2TB has been discounted in the US: amzn.to/2XfUeBw These are "first-gen" Gen 4, so they top out at 5000MB/s, but the prices are just slightly above Gen 3 drives in the US.
Best Buy gets various cards in stock online on a random 2-week basis, with prices close to MSRP. They used to be MSRP but are now somewhat above. They're still the best prices I've found.
I was referring to the most recent in-store drop that had people camping out again, nearly a year after launch. The online drops seem to make more sense to me!
i got my 3080 from new egg shuffle. It was bundled with a monitor total was 1200. I sold the monitor for 100 and sold my old 2080 super for 700. So 400 bucks for the asus tuf rtx 3080 turned out to be a good deal for me.
10700k is a pretty good cpu for the price. Personally not a fan of rocket lake esp with the limited ram oc ing. Long term wise, I’d still go with a modern 8core.
Another good choice. I mentioned 10600K as it's a great bargain with no Intel competition, but 10700K vs 5600X is also an interesting debate depending on price, but right now the 10700K is probably too expensive to justify for gaming alone.
This GPU drought forced me to GeForce NOW video game streaming and I gotta say on a $20 GPU I’m getting great 60fps 1080p performance. I’m going from satisfied to impressed and see how the future is streaming.
Just had a look at a 6900XT on Amazon UK, just a shade under £1500 which is roughly $2000.... erm, no thanks. I will wait, my 2070 Super will have to suffice.
I build your $1500 mini itx build right as covid was hitting and it’s been awesome! ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 2070 Super Mini 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Sabrent Rocket Q 1TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core, 16-Thread What should I upgrade now given the current climate?
Thanks for checking in... so glad you are enjoying your system and got in when you did, because now you couldn't build that for nearly the same amount of money!!! In terms of what to upgrade, that system is still looking very good, and of course your 2070 Super GPU is worth FAR more than you paid for it, and would be impossible to upgrade for less than an $850 Radeon 6700 XT (and even then, it would barely be an upgrade). I think your best upgrade would be to a 5900X CPU: click.linksynergy.com/deeplink?id=WAzU8cLhuCU&mid=44583&murl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2Famd-ryzen-9-5900x%2Fp%2FN82E16819113664%3FDescription%3D5900x%26cm_re%3D5900x-_-19-113-664-_-Product It would turn your mini-ITX PC into a thread-crushing monster! And the best part is your 3700X still have plenty of resale value. I bet you could easily fetch a minimum of $200 for it. Just make sure you update your motherboard firmware, as the original firmware wouldn't have supported that chip. If you're looking for a much cheaper upgrade, go for a new fan on your liquid cooler. I'd recommend the Phanteks T30-120, the best 120mm fan ever released! - amzn.to/39srmsD
I was able to get a 3070 from a bundle with a case for $960 total. Not too bad of a deal I'd say. However, I'll try to sell the case and maybe also my 2060 super to make this a better deal.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Right I know. The case is $279 so subtract that from the bundle price and the card is about $680. Still unfortunately above original MSRP but it's doable for me and I've been wanting to upgrade since getting into VR.
That of course won't be launched initially, but when the Ti models does arrive, I"m hoping it will be at $600, which is where the current model "launched", although it never sold for that price. The ideal product stack would probably have 4070 at $450, 4070 Ti at $550, and then 4080 at $750, with a 4080 Ti at $1000.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru you think a 4070 paired with an r5 3600 would be a good fit? games played on a 1080p monitor, far cry 6 would be an example of a game played.
Well, the 4070 is just a concept at this point, but in theory, I'd want more CPU power than an R5 3600 to push it fully. The current 3070 can be bottlenecked by that chip at anything under 4K. Given it's at least a year off, I assume you'll have some new choices by then for upgrading the 3600 anyway.
I think something like the RX 6700 XT or the RTX 3060 Ti is the perfect performance level to pair with that CPU. They are both around $900 right now: RX 6700 XT: amzn.to/2X5MwdK #ad RTX 3060 Ti: amzn.to/2YBM8nB #ad These were launched at $480 and $400, respectively, but those MSRPs are meaningless today and will be for this entire generation. By the end of 2022, hopefully everything will reset, and $480 would buy an RTX 4070 and $900 would buy an RTX 4080, but there's no way to know.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru have never formulated an opinion as my Intel experinece is limited to 8th, 9th and 10th Gen. If I was in the market, I would shop capabilities vs price to get the best price/performance ratio. But Ari if you say some models are not "a waste of sand" then I trust your opinion on that. I don't hinge on every single thing TJ says; I do however appreciate his recent exposes on Aresgame and certain Gigabyte PSUs. I really wish someone would do some work on Enermax Marblebron series, I wuld like a deeper dive into those to find out more about them.
How do you know prices will ever return to "normal"?? I like your videos, but you're kinda pulling this assumption out of your rear end a bit. Since when do companies lower prices unless forced?
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Genuinely, what external factor is going to force them? They can't produce enough volume to satisfy any market as it is. They tell their shareholders what at the meeting? We are lowering MSRP of these SKU's.....why? What is your logic here? With on-going vaccines, mandates and the state of the world not predicted to return to normal for......years at best.
@SouthWest, if you are asking why RDNA3 and Ada Lovelace will not come out at $3000 in late 2022 (as some of the ridiculous rumors are suggesting this week), it's because the crypto boom will not last, nor will the TSMC supply crunch. So at that point, selling a $3000 GPU is not going to be a winning move, even if that's what an RTX 3090 goes for now. And perhaps most telling is that AMD's graphics division has been absolutely hammered this year, losing marketshare and generating relatively little revenue despite selling at double MSRP. AMD would much rather have double the number of GPUs to sell at half the price, because long term, getting that marketshare is critical... much more than short term profits. Dr. Lisa Su of all people knows that.... it is why Ryzen is winning today.
It's not your fault, but when you reviewers begin intel names and numbers around it's easy to get lost: th-hundred this whatever-lake that, i lost track of which lake was which a long time ago, you should stick to X-gen intel, it's much clearer. Alder lake, coffee lake, Cocoa lake, Udder lake...
I am so extremely lucky not only to have chosen to build my new high-end gaming PC in November, but also to have been able to snag an Asus TUF RTX 3080 for its original MSRP of $750. It really pains me, however, that this is considered "priced too low". This was a normal price for the highest-end tier prior to the RTX lineup. The GTX 1080 released for $599. The GTX 980 released for $549. The GTX 780 for $649. All because NVidia spiked the GPU prices to ridiculous levels for the RTX-2000 lineup lead people to believe that the return to "normal" prices for the RTX-3000 lineup was a steal. Mix in Covid's impact on manufacturing, Trump's tariffs, and crytomining and what you end up with are permanently screwed up prices.
Exactly
You deserve more subs. Glad I stumbled upon your channel when obsessing over cooling my Ryzen 5800X
Much appreciated!
A great no nonsense run down of what's happening right now. Top job Ari!
Thanks for watching!
I'm so thankful I managed to get my new pc just before the covid spike hit. Prices on parts now are crazy.
yea me too. Frist i was sad when all the new gpus and cpus were annouced, but seeing that no1 actually bouight them for mrsp Im fine with my build :D
Yeah, lucky us. Considering that gpu cryptomining's computing power is infinitely scalable, i dont think that chipmakers will be able to satisfy gpu demand. Which means, we wont be able to upgrade any time soon.
Those prices are normal in Australia. Even 11400 is in stock, cases are pretty cheap and PSUs are always on sale.
Great content Ari. I was glad to have been able to build a PC each for myself and my wife before March 2020. Also I was luckily able to go from a 5700 XT to a 6700 XT then 3080 (both at MSRP through Newegg shuffle), then able to sell both to fully pay off the 3080.
You won the lottery, LOL!
What the current pricing and shortages has really done (probably to the delight of the manufacturers) is change the price/performance curve to the point where it makes little sense to buy a system with last gen (or earlier) parts. I had set up a system before all this hit, but sadly the funds weren't there. It would have been around $1500 then. By the time I was able to afford it, that same system would have cost $2000 and just wasn't worth it when I was able to get one with the most current gen parts from an SI for a few hundred more. I'm very glad I locked in my price when I did, because the system I got would now cost a few hundred more even with SI's being able to still get the parts at wholesale.
Right, SIs are booming right now, awesome business to be in as long as they are established enough to get GPUs at wholesale. I listed a few SI options in the video description that I'd recommended.
Thanks for your analyst of the DIY market, much appreciated
My pleasure! Are you looking to upgrade anything right now?
Love your content! So glad to have found it and subbed! Great effort, it comes across very well on video! Thanks :) Do you think you could make some B-die content…? (for us tweakers xD)
You mean like this? - ruclips.net/video/12_buI_HMqQ/видео.html
Thanks for the sub, by the way!
I bought a keyboard for 150 €. My G19 from 2011 was priced the same, so 10 years of service is quite a long time for a keyboard. This is a white Durgod Hades 65% mechanical with Cherry MX Brown switches. I think I have to change mouse in the near future as my G502 is in great shape but the newer mice looks like a noticiable improvement. If I have to buy hardware is because I'm desperate to repair something. Otherwise rather than spending 1.5K on new hardware I'd take a TV (I don't have one and my monitor has only DP) and an Xbox. It was hard for me to justify the 980Ti Amp Extreme for 730 € (it was at discount price) in 2016 cause I used to buy X70s for 330. And the i7K went for 300€ in the physical shop. I've plenty of hobbies that can dry my bank account other than gaming. I don't see the point in buying stuff that even at MSRP isn't worth as much.
Money = time and effort.
I love ur vids, thanks for the information mate :)
No problem 👍
@@TheTechBuyersGuru U really deserve more viewers and more subscribers!
I'm still trying to figure out the secret to RUclips success!
Just finished watching couple videos and tbh, you're underrated tuber who deserves more attention! Glad to find your channel. Would you recommend postponing building new RIG till Intel 12th gen CPUs launch or going ahead?
Welcome! Alder Lake is interesting from a tech perspective, but I think it will be a big mess at launch and create a lot of problems for games until the entire industry switches to the big little design, which may never happen. There's also the issue of many new standards for motherboards. This is not where being an early adopter makes sense.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru but what about benefiting from dropping in prices for current gen parts? Do you expect that?
No. That doesn't happen usually, particularly when it's not a direct replacement for anything.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru so, you don't expect AMD to lower prices if current alder lake leaked numbers are true.
No. They have already announced their plan. New, faster Zen 3 CPUs coming in Q1'22. Then and only then will AMD drop prices, but more likely it will discontinue current Zen 3 and maintain or raise prices.
hey buddy i have a weird issue with a pc i recently bought and its really odd, its an asrock h310cm hdv/m.2 motherboard i have 3 hard drives on it 250gb ssd for windows and main programs, a 3tb hdd for games, and a 1tb seagate barracuda that i use for model files and such and from time to time my hard drives will not show in task manager and whatever i was doing at the time usually saving a file or deleting something it will take a long time basically until the hard drives reappear, and the 1tb which has no programs installed on it will be at 100% disk usage and no programs are showing using it. any help would be appreciated, a friend told me it may be a bios bug but just not sure at this point.
Around Spring was a good time to get an nvme gen 4 ssd. 2tb Samsung 980 pro was $315 on Newegg and $161 for 1tb version.
Thanks Ari. I’m hoping those SSD price drops make their way to Australia as I’m one 2TB M.2 NVMe (Gen 3 or 4) away from completing my build.
Keep an eye on the Sabrent 2TB PCIe Gen 4: amzn.to/3hvL7nD
Also the Corsair MP600 2TB has been discounted in the US: amzn.to/2XfUeBw
These are "first-gen" Gen 4, so they top out at 5000MB/s, but the prices are just slightly above Gen 3 drives in the US.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru for gen 3 I like sn750, Samsung 970 evo plus, and sk Hynix gold p31.
The SK Hynix Gold P31 is a great choice for a Gen 3 drive! - amzn.to/2XiqrsE
@@TheTechBuyersGuru I also have the Kingston KC2500 in my sights. Just a bit pricey right now.
Best Buy gets various cards in stock online on a random 2-week basis, with prices close to MSRP. They used to be MSRP but are now somewhat above. They're still the best prices I've found.
I was referring to the most recent in-store drop that had people camping out again, nearly a year after launch. The online drops seem to make more sense to me!
i got my 3080 from new egg shuffle. It was bundled with a monitor total was 1200. I sold the monitor for 100 and sold my old 2080 super for 700. So 400 bucks for the asus tuf rtx 3080 turned out to be a good deal for me.
Nice
10700k is a pretty good cpu for the price. Personally not a fan of rocket lake esp with the limited ram oc ing. Long term wise, I’d still go with a modern 8core.
Another good choice. I mentioned 10600K as it's a great bargain with no Intel competition, but 10700K vs 5600X is also an interesting debate depending on price, but right now the 10700K is probably too expensive to justify for gaming alone.
Thanks for the great channel ....... so glad that I have found it ....... liked and subscribed ......... ;-)
Thank you!
This GPU drought forced me to GeForce NOW video game streaming and I gotta say on a $20 GPU I’m getting great 60fps 1080p performance. I’m going from satisfied to impressed and see how the future is streaming.
This is really great perspective, seems like a good option for a lot of people!
Just had a look at a 6900XT on Amazon UK, just a shade under £1500 which is roughly $2000.... erm, no thanks. I will wait, my 2070 Super will have to suffice.
Yeah, that's in line with what I've seen in the US. Generally $1700-$1900. It's not great, I agree, but it's what we're stuck with for a while.
I build your $1500 mini itx build right as covid was hitting and it’s been awesome!
ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 2070 Super Mini 8GB
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16
Sabrent Rocket Q 1TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2280
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core, 16-Thread
What should I upgrade now given the current climate?
Thanks for checking in... so glad you are enjoying your system and got in when you did, because now you couldn't build that for nearly the same amount of money!!!
In terms of what to upgrade, that system is still looking very good, and of course your 2070 Super GPU is worth FAR more than you paid for it, and would be impossible to upgrade for less than an $850 Radeon 6700 XT (and even then, it would barely be an upgrade).
I think your best upgrade would be to a 5900X CPU: click.linksynergy.com/deeplink?id=WAzU8cLhuCU&mid=44583&murl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2Famd-ryzen-9-5900x%2Fp%2FN82E16819113664%3FDescription%3D5900x%26cm_re%3D5900x-_-19-113-664-_-Product
It would turn your mini-ITX PC into a thread-crushing monster! And the best part is your 3700X still have plenty of resale value. I bet you could easily fetch a minimum of $200 for it. Just make sure you update your motherboard firmware, as the original firmware wouldn't have supported that chip.
If you're looking for a much cheaper upgrade, go for a new fan on your liquid cooler. I'd recommend the Phanteks T30-120, the best 120mm fan ever released! - amzn.to/39srmsD
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Thanks for the tips, I will definitely check those out.
You can learn just how beneficial a great radiator fan is right here: ruclips.net/video/beeDPXJybu8/видео.html
I was able to get a 3070 from a bundle with a case for $960 total. Not too bad of a deal I'd say. However, I'll try to sell the case and maybe also my 2060 super to make this a better deal.
Remember, the original MSRP was $500!
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Right I know. The case is $279 so subtract that from the bundle price and the card is about $680.
Still unfortunately above original MSRP but it's doable for me and I've been wanting to upgrade since getting into VR.
Evga G+ psu's are still a good deal and scalpers aren't buying them like they are the Corsair rm1200x. Found a 1300 G+ on sale at Newegg for 200$.
EVGA has had some amazing PSU deals, but that 1300G was very hot. Now close to $250: amzn.to/3z5WTeA
would you recommend scythe fuma 2 for r7 5800x oc?
Absolutely. It did very well on my Ryzen 9 3900X in benchmarks: ruclips.net/video/VHw4_jiJQO8/видео.html
so what do you think an 'rtx 4070 ti' might be priced at?
That of course won't be launched initially, but when the Ti models does arrive, I"m hoping it will be at $600, which is where the current model "launched", although it never sold for that price. The ideal product stack would probably have 4070 at $450, 4070 Ti at $550, and then 4080 at $750, with a 4080 Ti at $1000.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru you think a 4070 paired with an r5 3600 would be a good fit? games played on a 1080p monitor, far cry 6 would be an example of a game played.
Well, the 4070 is just a concept at this point, but in theory, I'd want more CPU power than an R5 3600 to push it fully. The current 3070 can be bottlenecked by that chip at anything under 4K. Given it's at least a year off, I assume you'll have some new choices by then for upgrading the 3600 anyway.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru so whats a good gpu for that cpu cause im not going to upgrade cpu unless i have to, which i dont want to do.
I think something like the RX 6700 XT or the RTX 3060 Ti is the perfect performance level to pair with that CPU. They are both around $900 right now:
RX 6700 XT: amzn.to/2X5MwdK #ad
RTX 3060 Ti: amzn.to/2YBM8nB #ad
These were launched at $480 and $400, respectively, but those MSRPs are meaningless today and will be for this entire generation. By the end of 2022, hopefully everything will reset, and $480 would buy an RTX 4070 and $900 would buy an RTX 4080, but there's no way to know.
LOL, channeling Tech Jesus, LOL
So, was Rocket Lake a waste of sand, in your opinion?!?
@@TheTechBuyersGuru have never formulated an opinion as my Intel experinece is limited to 8th, 9th and 10th Gen. If I was in the market, I would shop capabilities vs price to get the best price/performance ratio. But Ari if you say some models are not "a waste of sand" then I trust your opinion on that. I don't hinge on every single thing TJ says; I do however appreciate his recent exposes on Aresgame and certain Gigabyte PSUs. I really wish someone would do some work on Enermax Marblebron series, I wuld like a deeper dive into those to find out more about them.
Oh yeah, those PSU tests are critical to keeping the industry honest! I think the 11700K was actually decent and the sold out 11400 was excellent.
How do you know prices will ever return to "normal"??
I like your videos, but you're kinda pulling this assumption out of your rear end a bit.
Since when do companies lower prices unless forced?
You answered your own question.
I’d say things normalize end of 2023. I thought Ari was being optimistic!
@ellipsitin - you may be right, in which case we are in for a very tough few years!
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Genuinely, what external factor is going to force them? They can't produce enough volume to satisfy any market as it is. They tell their shareholders what at the meeting? We are lowering MSRP of these SKU's.....why? What is your logic here?
With on-going vaccines, mandates and the state of the world not predicted to return to normal for......years at best.
@SouthWest, if you are asking why RDNA3 and Ada Lovelace will not come out at $3000 in late 2022 (as some of the ridiculous rumors are suggesting this week), it's because the crypto boom will not last, nor will the TSMC supply crunch. So at that point, selling a $3000 GPU is not going to be a winning move, even if that's what an RTX 3090 goes for now. And perhaps most telling is that AMD's graphics division has been absolutely hammered this year, losing marketshare and generating relatively little revenue despite selling at double MSRP. AMD would much rather have double the number of GPUs to sell at half the price, because long term, getting that marketshare is critical... much more than short term profits. Dr. Lisa Su of all people knows that.... it is why Ryzen is winning today.
It's not your fault, but when you reviewers begin intel names and numbers around it's easy to get lost: th-hundred this whatever-lake that, i lost track of which lake was which a long time ago, you should stick to X-gen intel, it's much clearer. Alder lake, coffee lake, Cocoa lake, Udder lake...
You have a point!