Very informative. Just got into 8mm mauser and I'm exploring every possible angle to source or make my own. Waiting on an rcbs form and trim so I can make 3006 into 8mm. This is extremely helpful
Glad you liked the video. I have made a fair amount of 8x57 out of 270 Winchester brass. The file trim die in 8mm is quite handy for doing that as you can use a hack saw to cut off the excess brass quite quickly. I've not had to make any more for a while as I came across a deal on factory made 8mm, but it kept me in re-loadable brass for awhile.
I bought File Trim Dies for all 3 Rifle Calibers, That I reload for.? Came out apx $30.00 for each Die. Plus like you i enjoy taking my time to do each Brass. & love the Results, When I shoot each load.? Again thanks for your video & replys
Thanks for sharing this Video.? This Die is all that I use for all of my Rifle loading.? Works great & fast with a File.? I find it less troublesome than using a trimmer machine etc. Been reloading over 25 yrs using Trim dies.? Never a problem.? Just de burr the cases after filing them & your trim is done.
I was debating purchasing one of these for trimming my match 30-06 casings, but I was on the fence. But after watching this, I had to get one! Darn you, you cost me another $28!
Neat! I don't think I've seen one of these outside of Ackley's handbook for shooters and reloaders, in which they are basically "sold" as the last step after necking down in multiple stages to form what at the time were generally either wildcats or long-obsolete cases that might as well have been.
Yes, they are often included as part of case reforming die kits. They are not nearly as common today as they were 30-40 years ago when many reloaders did not have case trimmers.
I'm trying to see an advantage of this over some of the other more common and cheaper methods, and I can't. The Lee system is ~$11 more compact, and extremely consistent. The hacksaw point makes sense. However, I've seen people using a drill press with a lee rotary cutter to remove about a half inch of case for 300 blackout from 223 brass, and that seemed like the way to go.
Most of the case trimming I do is with the Lee system, which I like a lot. I figured there were a lot of folks who have never seen a file trim die in use and might find it a bit interesting. I pick these things up at gun shows if they are reasonably priced, but I doubt I would buy them if I had to pay new retail.
That makes sense. It's always nice to see other methods, and how things used to be done. For one thing it highlights the value of improved methods we have now. Another thing is that it can inspire new innovation. The system you show could be compared to a couple "newer ideas": dillon's power trim, and the newish Lee quick trim system. --Which inexplicably does not have power attachment option. I asked a Lee rep about whether one was in the works, and he said they had no plans to release one. That's just crazy to me. The value of their system would be immense to progressive reloaders if they simply had a cutter with a drill shank on it for that.
I've went through 2 trimming set. 1 is the Lyman with a drill, but the case keep slipping out if the shell holder. So if went with a Lee deluxe quick trim kit that trim, chaff and debur all in one. So far, it's the best trimmer I've used.
I've not worn one out and I've never heard of anyone else wearing one out either. The top of the die is super hard and the file does not bite into it at all, I really don't have any idea of how much use it would take to wear one out.
So I've bought a Schmidt-Rubin 1889 (you and Gungeek have cost me a fortune this year!) and will be trimming 7.5×55 Swiss down to 7.5×53.5. Any suggestions on how to do that? I use the Lee depth gauges and trimmers for all my other calibres and don't want to buy a lathe-like case trimmer for this one custom job. I am thinking of chucking the Lee shell holder in the drill press, chucking the brass in the holder, and lowering the case down on to sandpaper or emery paper affixed to a flat block. The drill press depth gauge should be precise enough to get me there. Although, just writing that all out and re-reading it makes me think that this whole idea is rather silly. I may just get another Lee depth gauge and trim the pin to a suitable length. Thoughts?
Yeah, if I were you I'd just buy another Lee case gauge and cut the pin down with an abrasive stone using a Dremel tool until I ended up with the correct length.
I did not even know such dies exist. What kind of steel are those made of? I bought a Lee trimmer about 2 years ago, but my 7.62-53 Lapua cases have not streched long enough to be trimmed, shot most of them about 3 times. I also got several once-fired S&Bs, found them at the range, which are a bit longer, stamped 7.62-54.
I'm not sure of the steel type, must be some type which can be machined and then hardened to an extreme surface hardness. Are you are neck sizing your brass? Neck sized brass seems to stretch much less than full length sized.
314299 Shooting Channel I have only a full length sizing die. Tried to back out the die a bit to only neck size, since sometimes case shoulders got dimples, but then the case would not fit in a chamber. Just measured some of the Lapua cases, they are about 53.4mm (should be 53.69mm for standard Mosin case).
And to mention,? That those File trim Dies ,? Can not be hurt or worn down by using a file on them.? As they are some strong resistant type Metal,? That they are made of.?
Question my Rem 223 Cases are just about a thousands over the 1.760 max length.? Would the Cases still be ok to load & Fire in my Bolt Action Rifle.? With no problems etc.?
Checking with Midwayusa.com I found RCBS file trim dies. I initially searched at Brownell's, which doesn't offer the RCBS file trim dies--only Redding. When I realized that searching Brownell's, I had to know that Redding makes these dies, and word my search as Redding Trim dies or I couldn;t have found it there--you can't just search for file trim dies and find ANYTHING on their site. Brownell's website leaves much to be desired...
Very informative. Just got into 8mm mauser and I'm exploring every possible angle to source or make my own. Waiting on an rcbs form and trim so I can make 3006 into 8mm. This is extremely helpful
Glad you liked the video. I have made a fair amount of 8x57 out of 270 Winchester brass. The file trim die in 8mm is quite handy for doing that as you can use a hack saw to cut off the excess brass quite quickly. I've not had to make any more for a while as I came across a deal on factory made 8mm, but it kept me in re-loadable brass for awhile.
Cool video. I just started getting into reloading. This is first I saw brass trimmed this way.
It's not a common method of trimming brass.
I bought File Trim Dies for all 3 Rifle Calibers, That I reload for.? Came out apx $30.00 for each Die. Plus like you i enjoy taking my time to do each Brass. & love the Results, When I shoot each load.? Again thanks for your video & replys
Thanks for sharing this Video.? This Die is all that I use for all of my Rifle loading.? Works great & fast with a File.? I find it less troublesome than using a trimmer machine etc. Been reloading over 25 yrs using Trim dies.? Never a problem.? Just de burr the cases after filing them & your trim is done.
+A REDTAIL Trimming cases is a pain no matter what, but as you say the file trim die is actually faster and easier than hand powered rotary trimmers.
Great video ive been using rcbs trim dies for about 10 years... dead on consistency!!
There's certainly nothing to get out of adjustment.
Old school, done right. Gotta love it. Put the Dremel down, and back away slowly.
Yeah, I dont think I'd like to attempt case trimming with a Dremel!
your the best ,i allways learn something from your vids thanks again
Thanks, I enjoy sharing my somewhat obscure reloading gear.
I was debating purchasing one of these for trimming my match 30-06 casings, but I was on the fence. But after watching this, I had to get one! Darn you, you cost me another $28!
I do enjoy being a bad influence!
Yes, you must, because you have cost me a lot of money in the past few weeks!
@@Gunnut357mag Should be glad you not into Photography As a Hobby my Neighbor spends thousands keeping up on it etc.
Neat! I don't think I've seen one of these outside of Ackley's handbook for shooters and reloaders, in which they are basically "sold" as the last step after necking down in multiple stages to form what at the time were generally either wildcats or long-obsolete cases that might as well have been.
Yes, they are often included as part of case reforming die kits. They are not nearly as common today as they were 30-40 years ago when many reloaders did not have case trimmers.
I'm trying to see an advantage of this over some of the other more common and cheaper methods, and I can't. The Lee system is ~$11 more compact, and extremely consistent. The hacksaw point makes sense. However, I've seen people using a drill press with a lee rotary cutter to remove about a half inch of case for 300 blackout from 223 brass, and that seemed like the way to go.
Most of the case trimming I do is with the Lee system, which I like a lot. I figured there were a lot of folks who have never seen a file trim die in use and might find it a bit interesting. I pick these things up at gun shows if they are reasonably priced, but I doubt I would buy them if I had to pay new retail.
That makes sense. It's always nice to see other methods, and how things used to be done. For one thing it highlights the value of improved methods we have now. Another thing is that it can inspire new innovation. The system you show could be compared to a couple "newer ideas": dillon's power trim, and the newish Lee quick trim system. --Which inexplicably does not have power attachment option. I asked a Lee rep about whether one was in the works, and he said they had no plans to release one. That's just crazy to me. The value of their system would be immense to progressive reloaders if they simply had a cutter with a drill shank on it for that.
I've went through 2 trimming set. 1 is the Lyman with a drill, but the case keep slipping out if the shell holder. So if went with a Lee deluxe quick trim kit that trim, chaff and debur all in one. So far, it's the best trimmer I've used.
I've not used that particular Lee system but I do use the older type.
nice work
Thanks.
Question.? when using any file trim dies must you always use an Extended Shell holder Correct.?
I don't think an extended shell holder is necessary if you are trimming longer rounds, like a 308, just with the shorter ones.
That looks like a great way to trim cases. Have you ever worn out one of those dies and about how many cases can you file before it wears out.
I've not worn one out and I've never heard of anyone else wearing one out either. The top of the die is super hard and the file does not bite into it at all, I really don't have any idea of how much use it would take to wear one out.
potymouf1
Yeah, it seems to burnish it a bit.
Try rubbing a small amount of chalk into your files teeth after you card it. It will keep the files teeth from getting clogged with filings.
I've tried that, seems to work pretty well.
So I've bought a Schmidt-Rubin 1889 (you and Gungeek have cost me a fortune this year!) and will be trimming 7.5×55 Swiss down to 7.5×53.5. Any suggestions on how to do that? I use the Lee depth gauges and trimmers for all my other calibres and don't want to buy a lathe-like case trimmer for this one custom job. I am thinking of chucking the Lee shell holder in the drill press, chucking the brass in the holder, and lowering the case down on to sandpaper or emery paper affixed to a flat block. The drill press depth gauge should be precise enough to get me there. Although, just writing that all out and re-reading it makes me think that this whole idea is rather silly. I may just get another Lee depth gauge and trim the pin to a suitable length. Thoughts?
Yeah, if I were you I'd just buy another Lee case gauge and cut the pin down with an abrasive stone using a Dremel tool until I ended up with the correct length.
another great vid!
Thanks.
I did not even know such dies exist. What kind of steel are those made of?
I bought a Lee trimmer about 2 years ago, but my 7.62-53 Lapua cases have not streched long enough to be trimmed, shot most of them about 3 times. I also got several once-fired S&Bs, found them at the range, which are a bit longer, stamped 7.62-54.
I'm not sure of the steel type, must be some type which can be machined and then hardened to an extreme surface hardness. Are you are neck sizing your brass? Neck sized brass seems to stretch much less than full length sized.
314299 Shooting Channel
I have only a full length sizing die. Tried to back out the die a bit to only neck size, since sometimes case shoulders got dimples, but then the case would not fit in a chamber. Just measured some of the Lapua cases, they are about 53.4mm (should be 53.69mm for standard Mosin case).
Kriptonite i guess never wear out etc
Question? I have brand new Win 270 Brass Unprimed, Just wondering if they have to be trimmed,? Or not.? They are Factory new Brass.?
+MyREDTAIL it is highly unlikely that new brass will require trimming, however the only real way yo know is to measure them with calipers.
Good info. Could you tell me what type of file you used. Fine, Medium, or course. Thanks, Hank
I used a small fine tooth single cut file, the same ones that are used to file down the rake teeth on a chain saw.
Great Video brother but it seems to be a lot of work.
Not as fast as a rotary trimmer, but not a whole lot slower either and there are less burrs on the cases.
+wiederladerTv Not really it's less expensive than those Trimmer hand machines.?
+wiederladerTv not really.?
And to mention,? That those File trim Dies ,? Can not be hurt or worn down by using a file on them.? As they are some strong resistant type Metal,? That they are made of.?
+A REDTAIL The dies are made of steel, however the surface has been hardened to an extreme degree so that a file will not harm them.
Question my Rem 223 Cases are just about a thousands over the 1.760 max length.? Would the Cases still be ok to load & Fire in my Bolt Action Rifle.? With no problems etc.?
+MyREDTAIL You should assume that anything over the max length needs to be trimmed.
Going to try using one while using the Lee Hand loading press,? For fast reloading.? Should work ok.?
+A REDTAIL I think they would be awkward to use with the Lee hand press, unless you clamp the press so you dont have to hold it.
@@314299 Thanks
File trim dies don't seem to be for sale. Can the Lee Trim due be used in this way--with a file rather than buying the cutter head?
No, the Lee Trim die cannot be used like a file trim die as they are of a completely different design.
Checking with Midwayusa.com I found RCBS file trim dies. I initially searched at Brownell's, which doesn't offer the RCBS file trim dies--only Redding. When I realized that searching Brownell's, I had to know that Redding makes these dies, and word my search as Redding Trim dies or I couldn;t have found it there--you can't just search for file trim dies and find ANYTHING on their site. Brownell's website leaves much to be desired...
@@Joe_Goofball Midway USA Or Mid South stock best of any and everything etc.
What number is it for that extended shell holder for thr Rem 223 cartridge.?
+A REDTAIL It's an old Pacific shell holder, #16.
+314299 Shooting Channel Thanks just ordered one from Midway USA in RCBS Brand.?
Wonder if they make one for 6bra
I doubt one in that caliber would be a stock item.
Question: is the die harder then the file?
Yes, the top surface of the die is much harder than the file, so hard that the file just slides across it without taking any "bite" on the die.
@@314299 thanks, bought a week ago, just bought a press. New to reloading, soon I'll be hunting deer 😎
Are you Canadian?
Yes, why do you ask?
What shell ejector is that on your press?
That's the RCBS "Case Kicker".
This is a method for guys that shoot like 100rs a year.