Absolutely. What they did that planet where they manufactured a disease to keep them primitive and in perpetual agony was only one of the most vile things they've done
@@veggiet2009 They civilization was almost hunted down to extinction. To save themselves, they become demons people were afraid of. Through gradual takeover they destroy they enemies and try build system what in they mind would ensure stability and safety. It is worth to note that Dominion actually allow freedom of conquered civilisations, taking control over they collective security. What fun fact, Federation was also doing. Yes. It was involuntary but they were not as horrible as people believe. Even if they methods were harsh. In fact Cardassians completely misread them as conquerors and they own role in the system. It is worth to point out that Dominion was not destroying the planets, they targeted only the Starfleet. After peace was signed. Dominion was not making Federation problems through next centuries. Taking isolationist stance.
@@veggiet2009 they are irredeemable but if their lore is true this all started as a necessity because Solids are jerks. It then developed into a desire for control over everyone and everything. But being irredeemable now doesn’t mean they weren’t driven to said irredeemability. And I’m just kind of making this argument up as I go along so feel free to mention the information I seem to conveniently not know. lol
Is Dukat an irredeemable villain. Oh yes. Does he view himself that way. Oh no. Is he one of the best and most fleshed out villain characters of Star Trek. Oh heck yes
I would also argue Dukat had one redeeming quality... Ziyal... his daughter, while sure the beginning of their relationship was frankly terrible, he truly grew to love her as a father, and you can feel sorry for him when she dies and his mind just breaks losing someone who he truly loves.
@@Glenn.Manueland hitler was a dog person, doesn't mean that he's redeemable. I won't agrue that Dukat isn't a great character but he's still space hitler.
I thought the Duras were definitely gonna be on this list. They're as generationally awful as the Soongs. Moreso actually, we've never seen an honorable Duras.
@@joermnyc - what were they supposed to do with him? Pure evil? They didn't inflict him on the galaxy, Troi's shuttle crashing there was pure happenstance.
@@williambell3304He was created as a sapient individual, and then abandoned forever to be alone. I've gotta say, his creators are way more evil and irredeemable. Even terminating him immediately, or upon departure, or at least leaving him the means to be able to painlessly end his own existence, would have been much kinder.
@AndrooUK 1. Armus is likely not being entirely truthful about the situation. He lies to the crew in other ways. He is supposedly evil incarnate and does not espouse reliability as a narrator. 2. Perhaps the other beings hoped he could be redeemed in some way later. 3. Leaving one evil being lonely, while certainly not the nicest choice, doesn't stack up to what others in Trek have done.
@@surferdude4487 actually she has over 180 tv and film credits. She was very versatile and professional. The industry loved and tried to get her as much as they could. Sjhe also was very big doing off and on Broadway production
0:00 Intro 0:25 10: The Augments 2:11 9: Section 31 4:07 8: Dukat 5:38 7: Winn Adami 6:55 6: The Sphere-Builders 8:01 5: A Selection of Soongs 9:30 4: The Bluegills 10:34 3: Maxwell and Other Berks 11:44 2: The Orion Syndicate 13:32 1: The Borg Queen 14:58 Outro
The T'Lani would get my vote! They had the nerve to 1) Try to murder Julian and Miles 2) Lie to Sisko that they died by accident, even providing "proof" 3) Demand that Sisko just hands the pair over to them just for knowing the existence of the Harvester weapon
Dukat was evil, but he was a whole character. Some people mistake depth for redempton. Similarly, Winn had a few moments where you could enpathise with her - happiness with who she thought was Anjohl, and when she thought that the prophets had finally spoken to her. Still a monster though, and played so well.
For me, the character with the fewest redeeming qualities was Winn Adami. She was vain and proud yet had a fragile ego and had an enormous chip on her shoulder because the Prophets had never communicated with her. She was mean spirited and cruel. She lusted for power, and she proved that she would do anything to achieve it. I could understand why she was reticent to accept Sisko as the Emmisary, something she made quite clear. He wasn’t Bajoran and he wasn’t a man of faith in the Prophets or the Celestial Temple at the beginning. But the thing I really detested her for was the condescending and belittling way she spoke to Kira. It’s as though she knew that Nerys could see right through her ‘piety’ and false humility.
There's only one fictional religious turd worse than kai winn in my opinion. And that's the cardinal from John Carpenter's Vampires, winn redeemed herself at the end, the cardinal on the other hand was willing to help valek complete the ritual that would make vampires immune to sunlight, just because he hadn't received any prophecies or witnessed any miracles and the notion that he might die of old age scared the crap out of him, It scares the crap out of me but I'd like to think that I wouldn't endanger the rest of the planet's population for my own benefit.
Alixus from the DS9 Episode "Paradise" was one of the first who came to mind. Seriously one of the few characters in Trek who is outright stone cold evil and completely without any likeable qualities.
I'd say Vosk is worth mentioning, viewing any other species as only being there to serve his and destabilizing the timeline. Not too different from the Daleks in Doctor Who.
The character herself, as opposed to the Borg Queen version? She killed Maddox, yeah, but she was under the influence of Ohm's mind meld. Otherwise, the worst thing she did that I can remember is karaoke.
It does kind of seem like the rest of the founders are mainly interested in just being linked as an ocean and being left alone, yeah, though they're still implicitly okay with the lengths she goes to to "protect" them. Of course, STO indicates she's actually kept some of the things she's done secret from the rest (which IS possible even linked, as it turns out).
One has to differentiate between The Dominion as a whole and its individual elements. Similar to the fact that not all members of the Federation 100% back the ideals of the Federation so too are not all members of The Dominion a sworn force of evil. I have to agree on one thing though - the Founders were quite brutal when it came to stopping potential threats as well as keeping those down they considered worthless.
Bashir and Una are augmented, yes... but they're not Augments with a capital A. Neither one of them is a product of Project Chrysalis/Project Khan - both born numerous decades after any version of the experiments that created Khan Noonien Singh - and Una isn't even human, but Illyrian and an example of a species who is far more enlightened about the uses of genetic engineering and the required psychological attitudes to ensure no one repeats Khan & Company's behaviours.
I believe that it is wrong to put the Enterprise Soong on this list. He did villainous thing, but his action all came from believing that the augment's evil was from how they were nurtured, not from their nature. His tragedy was not seeing how irredeemable his "children" were until a lot of people got hurt. In the end he even admits that he was wrong, and decides to go into cybernetics.
I think what was most tragic about dukat was that he was redeemable and he was on his way to redemption when his daughter was killed and he fell back into it and was lost. If not he may have been redeemed as a antihero. kai winn on the other hand betrayed everyone she ever met, even in the end she betrayed Dukat and told Sisko to destroy the book because she realized the side she chose was losing.
I don't know if being in charge of a brutal military occupation is something you get to be redeemed from. You are right in that his daughter did make Dukat somewhat less horrible... but that's not saying a whole lot.
His daughter got killed because he made the choice to join the Dominion so that he could have power again so he could force everyone to say he was better than them, she went against his plan for conquests which is what caused her murder. I don't get how they is "on his way to redemption"
He was never going to be an antihero, he was someone who genuinely and unshakably believed that the people he oppressed should have profusely thanked him for oppressing them slightly less than his predecessors. He had an honest chip on his shoulder about the bajorans not building a statue of him in thanks.
10; 0:25 The Augments 9; 2:11 Section 31 8; 4:07 Dukat 7; 5:38 Winn Adami 6; 6:55 The Sphere-Builders 5; 8:00 A Selection of Soongs 4; 9:30 The Bluegills 3; 10:34 Maxwell and other Berks 2; 11:44 The Orion Syndicate 1; 13:33 The Borg Queen
I think the Prophets let Winn go to celestial voicemail because they knew who she was and what she would become. Imagine how self-righteous she would be if the Prophets actually spoke to her.
What I love about Dukat is that Marc Alaimo's portrayal of him was so charming and charismatic that they unintentionally built a fanbase around Dukat despite the fact he uses his charm and charisma in canon to hide his truly ruthless and despicable nature. Dukat was so good that even real people fell for his lies. The episode this video references, Waltz, was written specifically because the writers had become alarmed at Dukat's growing fanbase and popularity, so they wrote an episode to show unequivocally that Dukat was evil and, yes, was the bad guy.
Well... yes. Marc Alaimo was very charming in the roll. However, it's best not to forget that while a lot of Star Trek fans are centrists or lean left, a lot of right wing people love space travel (and thus scifi) just as much as anyone else, so there are a lot of right wing fan as well. Including hard-right fans that most of us here would call fascists. There have been many debates over episodes like TNG's The Drumhead, for instance, with many taking very different lessons from the episode than most of us do. So some people like Dukat specifically *because* he's a fascist, not in spite of that fact.
@whofandb They did, but who knows? Since the Founders tailor every aspect of them, including their psychology, Good Weyoun could be a more natural state if their alterations fail.
I love the original Borg Queen always has these shimmering eyes contrast to the doll dead eyes of drones borgs, showing she is the only one alive in the collective.
Technically, the whole Eugenics War & Khan thing’s been changed in the timeline now (obviously partly due to real world events!). The newer shows have now shown that the Eugenics War hasn’t happened until much later in the 21st century and Khan himself is still only a child in 2023. I seem to recall this was actually addressed in a throwaway line in one of the shows that Federation records of that time are conflicting.
What was said was that the Temporal Cold War and all the attempts to edit the timeline, that the timeline is somehow fighting back, so instead of removing the Eugenics Wars from history, it keeps getting pushed back. Someone's attempts to cancel the Eugenics Wars just delayed the conflict.
AND the changelings DID want to either enslave or kill the entire galaxy based only on their hatred for solids. A hatred based on (if we actually believe her of course) the actions of a very few species. We also don't know of the details in that story, the changelings might have contributed to the original conflicts for all we know.
@@Growly. Exactly. History is written by the Victors and I suspect those species are no longer with the Gamma Quadrant in any meaningful way. Victory was literally life and they lost
I expected you to mention the Dominion since one of its leaders is shown in the title image, and, of course, she genocided the Cardassians, including a plethora of innocent ones.
Kevin Uxbridge I’d say is a grey area. There’s no redeeming what he did. Not just wiping out that species but the power vacuum it would’ve created, especially considering we’re left to assume all their tech still exists. However, that self-imposed exile and his behavior at the end does leave the question of whether he would make things right if he could. I know it’s not a redemption but at least he regrets the action?
Did it ever explain why he wasn't able to think them back into existence the way he kept doing with his wife? To me he seems more powerful than even the Q. Pretty sure a Douwd could eradicate the entire Borg collective if it so wished instead of staying under the Borg's radar like the Q did.
@@Blue_rosetx it’s not but I feel it’s implied bringing them back isn’t so easy. Because it would be the same with his planet. Did he bring his wife back or was it an incredibly realistic fantasy. I would argue while he is nearly omnipotent the Q would be superior. I mean, Q has changed history more than once and put it back. So perhaps Kevin just doesn’t have full control of his powers, it was that fit of rage and sorrow that wiped out The Husnock. So if to access his full power requires strong emotion that might be why. Or killing and resurrecting is just the line for some reason. Then there’s the possibility that despite his sorrow and regret he doesn’t want to bring them back. Perhaps part of his self-imposed exile is also coming to terms with the fact he did it but also knows he will never undo it.
Yeh... people being shocked by Dukat having fanboys. Wounder what they think about modern day internet? I personally like Dukat, but as irredeemable villain. He is well written as he see his action as justified (of course he isn't).
Shoutout to Leland Orsler's two villainous star turns, as the psychotic hologram in Voyager, and as Loomis in Enterprise's Carpenter Street. Also, the Equinox's corrupted EMH in Voyager's Equinox, and the Director of that medical facility which kidnapped the EMH in "Critical Care."
Trying to figure out which Borg Queen was in Picard s3. The one (her remains) in First Contact should have gone back with Enterprise, even though they missed a few bits that landed in Antarctica. Ps3 was more likely rebuilt from the pieces which came through the trans-warp conduit in the Voyager finale.
There's only one thing ungood about Section 31 -- They had the longterm operation "I Fold." It was the mission to keep Worf loosing poker games every day of his life, with ridicule by Data and Geordi, after he won in "The Emissay."
The augments were human, so I find it VERY hard to dislike them. If every human being was like them, the galaxy would be a VERY different place. Much more ordered and (eventually) peaceful. The dominion wouldn't have stood a chance and even the Borg might have had trouble assimilating Augments, the way they had trouble assimilating species 8472...
The undine's immunity is a specific result of their genetic density and cellular structure. Augments have enhanced/"perfected" versions of human genes but they're still human. Super drones though, possibly :P
Missed one: Kevin Uxbridge : [of Rishon] I saw her broken body. I went insane. My hatred exploded. And in an instant of grief... I destroyed the Husnock. Doctor Beverly Crusher : Why did you try to hide this from all of us? Was it out of guilt for not helping Rishon and the others when they were alive? Kevin Uxbridge : No, no, no, no, no, you-you don't understand the scope of my crime. I didn't kill just one Husnock, or a hundred, or a thousand. I killed them all. All Husnock, everywhere. - Are 11,000 people worth... 50 billion? Is the love of a woman worth the destruction of an entire species?
Kevin did a terrible thing, but he acted in a fit of rage brought on by grief. He wasn't necessarily evil. After all, he _could_ have swatted the Enterprise like a bug.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is my personal favorite film. And the Dolby Vision transfer was really well done, especially when viewed on an OLED. The lightning flashes in the Mutara nebula battle were absolutely blinding in Dolby Vision HDR.
The interesting thing about section 31 is the fact that they still technically hold themselves back almost to the same degree as Starfleet. Starfleet is unquestionably the most technologically powerful of the alpha quadrant powers, most of the reason the Klingons or the Romulans have any advantage is cloaking tech which Starfleet has voluntarily agreed not to research. Combine this with the terrifying array of doomsday weapons either inadvertantly created by Starfleet whilst trying to make something else or they just found and archived, and the only reason Starfleet doesn't rule the alpha quadrant is they don't want to. And through it all Section 31 by DS9 was a complete unknown entity, outwitting even the famously clandestine Romulans, Sloan seems actually genuine in saying they had to be tremendously careful who they recruited so they a) didn't expose the organisation but also b) didn't abuse their power.
He wanted glory for Cardassia, which slowly turned into hate of everyone who had an edge on them. The only thing that could've redeemed him was his daughter and she got killed, which was the final push into madness for him.
I was not a fan of this idea that the Soong's are some sort of generational identical geniuses. It's such a lazy attempt to get Brent Spiner in Star Trek over and over again. I think they never should have killed Data off in Nemesis, that was the biggest mistake, then they could have just had Data back given he's an android. He can time travel after all, it's a sci-fi show. But no, instead we have to have this ridiculous idea of one man's children all being identical to him for hundreds of years and all being geniuses. It's just not realistic and takes me out of it.
The Borg Queen is so arrogant but the reality is that if she died they would just make another of her. She has no true uniqueness. Every Borg is expendable.
What about Weyoun a A character so brilliantly written and portrayed you almost feel sorry for him as he is not top management, he is middle management. And such a sucker up to the boss, it is brilliant
That's the thing, Weyoun is ultimately a tool and doesn't have enough agency to be much of a villain in his own right rather than as an extension of the founders.
Section 31 aren't villains they are anti heroes. Despite their negative characteristics, They have noble intentions for the safeguard of starfleet and earth.
Disagree on the Augments... I'm betting that when we get a realistic portrayal in the future, we are going to see that the Augments were harassed because they would not 'come down to' the abilities of the natural born humans and humanity created their own monsters.
I'm sure there were plenty like that. IIRC, The main ones people talk about in relation to the eugenics wars, however, were explicitly designed by species-improvement extremists to entirely replace baseline humans. They had the superiority complex and drive to conquer and dominate built in on a genetic level, to prevent them coexisting with baselines. Their designers' plan was explicitly violent conquest in the name of making humanity more "perfect".
Missing both Louise Fletcher and Annie Wersching. Their ability to portray such naked villainy in their roles was unmatched and memorable. May they rest in peace.
wait? what is the name of episode about O'Brien and Ezri? on the second thought, thank you for turning me to an episode i missed. it feels good to return after watching through entire Voyager.
Could some explain why the Borg queen in Picard looked different? And why in the final episode she had arms when it's been established that she was just a head with a robot body?
1) Because that Borg Queen was from an alternate timeline and they can presumably look however the hell they want to anyway? 2) Because that was Jurati's body, she still had some measure of control, and she wasn't so much into the body horror thing. Any other questions?
0:40 & 03:20 - Anyone notice in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds it is a NEW Timeline. In the Episode where La'an and Kirk go back and save Khan as a Child the Romulan Girl mentions the Universe is changing and Khan now Comes into Power, some 40-50 Years later that the TOS Khan is said to in the 90's. Which means Section 31 would have changed too.
I read somewhere that there was no point of having a joined species if you didn’t examine the symbiont moving onto another host. I also read that behind-the-scenes she wanted to work on less shows, and they refused. In retrospect I, personally, thought they had brought Jadzia as far as they could, and I felt that Ezri was a very cool addition to the show in its final season. If I would have known the behind-the-scenes stuff at the time, I would’ve been pretty annoyed by it. I also felt as a show DS nine was extremely brave in killing a main character. It added so much weight to the storyline that it would be weird if it hadn’t happened. Start truck has killed many minor characters, and, of course, enterprise kill trip on the very last episode that took place in a holiday deck, which could very easily be undone. The death of Jadzia was a big deal! In the books, I think that Ezri died, and Julian ended up staying with the male host. I think that would’ve been interesting. I know you couldn’t have done it back then, but it would’ve been a very cool storyline if Dax had moved onto a male host. The interaction with Worf would’ve been epic!
@@emk120Don't forget Tasha Yar. Not exactly the best Star Trek tradition. I think what was worse with Jadzia though that in the retrospective parts of "What we Leave Behind" there were no clips of her, that was cold.
Based on her behavior throughout the show and then her older-self’s behavior in the finale I’d say both Captain Janeway and Admiral Janeway deserve to be on it. Admiral Janeway for changing the entire course of history on a galactic scale to such a degree that the future DTI didn’t pick it up and try to correct it, irredeemable?
@@Growly. oh of course it is. The classic over-used trope of things working until show runners need it to not work. I’ve always been able to separate lazy writing from an actors performance. Even if the writing was lazy so they could close the series, Kate Mulgrew did a fantastic job and is the 3rd best captain in my opinion. But for the spirit of the video. What Admiral Janeway did was inexcusable. Captain Janeway not preventing it also was. However in real life, you’re correct. The problem is the writers needed the DTI to not do their jobs so that the series can close.
@@Growly. and if it makes things better, the only reason I chose her is because I couldn’t think of any Admirals that fit the irredeemable category. A lot that were bad at their job and made poor decisions, but none that I would say are irredeemable. And I wanted to choose someone I didn’t expect others to choose. Which is why I put this comment after asking if Badmiral Cartwright was in it. After asking that I thought “nah, that choice is too obvious. There must be others.”
@@RunfromDangerMan I agree with you. When she talked to hazard she claimed she had never broken the prime directive, but she did it a lot and made many decisions (like allying with the borg) that i disagree with
And the maquis, though some of them went to far, had a right to defend their home. Homes that was given away by a (in that situation) heartless government, to an even worse one.
In Picard we find the Federation IS THE VILLAIN. At the end of the war in the Delta Quadrant, captured changelings instead of being released, were imprisoned and sadistically experimented on by the Federation. They escaped and of course now truly hated the Federation. At the end of the season 3 of Picard, this is never revealed publicly and the changelings who had been experimented on were imprisoned again - no doubt for more experimentation and forced to be slaves for the Federation. Yeah, since they never had to publicly acknowledge their guilt or the experiments like killer tribbles at the Diestrum institute - they can just keep going with no oversight.
@@Growly. - No, they made war because they felt the Federation was a threat to their Dominion. They ruled over an empire of solids after all. After the war, the Changelings made peace - BUT the Federation with Daestron Station broke the rules of the Federation and Star Fleet. They didn't release prisoners. They EXPERIEMENTED on them (can you say war crimes equal to the Nazi's?) They tortured and planned to enslave the resulting successful changeling experiments to be spies.. The main body of changelings in the Dominion had no idea of what was going on. Evil brings about evil, and what was done resulted in the mutated changelings making a deal with the dying Borg queen. NOW - one wonders will they tell their Federation citizens that the Federation brought this on themselves, not to mention let the Dominion know how they broke the treaties, kept Changeling prisoners, tortured them, experimented on them? Something tells me Federation citizens will be kept in the dark and the Federation will not own up to it's crimes.
I'd like make an honorable mention: Nicholas Locarno. In addition to causing the death of a Starfleet Cadet due to his actions and attempting a coverup, years later he still refused to take any responsibility for his actions, instead continuing to blame others. Plus, due to his ego he treated everyone around him as little more than tools for his use, with little concern for them. This culminated with him trying to murder a Starfleet Officer (she only lived because she was transported out just in time). His actions could have potentially led to a war and threatened death and destruction via the Genesis Device. Ultimately, he is irredeemable because he would never do what is needed to redeem himself.
The thing about the borg is, though it got twisted to make them more of a villian for the show in voyager, is that they're not 'technically' evil. From their perspective, they're doing the right thing. Assimilation isn't death, its adding the individual, their knowledge and culture to the whole of the borg. It's only evil from the perspective of individualist species, but honestly, considering that borg live a lot longer, and even technically their persona's don't 'die' when the body is killed but exist in the collective mind, its honestly shocking to me that there weren't cults that worshipped the borg on some planets or actively sought assimilation.
Definitely missing from this list is Kevin Uxbridge aka the Douwd that was able to simply think an entire species out of existence in a single moment of rage.
No. Dr Soran was a 'lost soul', like Anorax from voyager. He lost his family, his world. Then, by a twist of fate, he could get it back! Or just 'live in the moment', literally. Only to be ripped out of it by would-be saviors. By his reasoning, if he got back into the Nexus, back to his family before the Borg, all the beings he killed would've never died. Yes it's twisted, but not outright evil.
@@mrandmrsduquette1904 A more interesting Generations would have Picard visit Soran, restored to his whole self, in the Nexus and convince him to go stop himself.
Emperor Georgiou should be on the list if not at the top. She didn't earn any of the "redemption" that she had on the show. She's basically Space Hitler x1000 but apparently that gets a pass because she *looks like* someone Burnham loved. 🙄
Dukat lost everything slowly, his position, his family, his daughter, his chance to put an end to the OO ect .He helped Sisko a couple of times also, with the Maquis, the infiltration of Klignon space, taking down Thomas Riker without starting a war, accepting that a Bajoran ship can arrive on Cardassia. That is why we give him some mercy. We saw him at his lowest. Kira let Garak date his daughter and then kicks him down when he had no more leverage as a Cardassian. The final drop??
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The Founders probably should earn at least an honorable mention on this list... lord knows how many they killed in the Gamma Quadrant.
But they actually have good reason to do that. I mean, sort off.
Absolutely. What they did that planet where they manufactured a disease to keep them primitive and in perpetual agony was only one of the most vile things they've done
@@TheRezroexplain why you think they have a good reason?
I would put their desire for genetic control as another reason for irredeemableness
@@veggiet2009 They civilization was almost hunted down to extinction. To save themselves, they become demons people were afraid of. Through gradual takeover they destroy they enemies and try build system what in they mind would ensure stability and safety.
It is worth to note that Dominion actually allow freedom of conquered civilisations, taking control over they collective security. What fun fact, Federation was also doing. Yes. It was involuntary but they were not as horrible as people believe. Even if they methods were harsh.
In fact Cardassians completely misread them as conquerors and they own role in the system. It is worth to point out that Dominion was not destroying the planets, they targeted only the Starfleet. After peace was signed. Dominion was not making Federation problems through next centuries. Taking isolationist stance.
@@veggiet2009 they are irredeemable but if their lore is true this all started as a necessity because Solids are jerks. It then developed into a desire for control over everyone and everything. But being irredeemable now doesn’t mean they weren’t driven to said irredeemability.
And I’m just kind of making this argument up as I go along so feel free to mention the information I seem to conveniently not know. lol
Is Dukat an irredeemable villain. Oh yes. Does he view himself that way. Oh no. Is he one of the best and most fleshed out villain characters of Star Trek. Oh heck yes
Dukat is space hitler. he should be #2 behind the borg queen.
Dukat is amazing, a really well developed villain - it's the depth which makes him so irresistible!
Dukat is most definitely evil,, but he does possess a certain amount of charm. A great character, and probably my favorite Star Trek villain.
I would also argue Dukat had one redeeming quality... Ziyal... his daughter, while sure the beginning of their relationship was frankly terrible, he truly grew to love her as a father, and you can feel sorry for him when she dies and his mind just breaks losing someone who he truly loves.
@@Glenn.Manueland hitler was a dog person, doesn't mean that he's redeemable. I won't agrue that Dukat isn't a great character but he's still space hitler.
Lore definitely deserved to be on this list.
And the members of the Klingon House of Durass seem to all be without any redeemable qualities..
I feel a second list coming on...
*Duras. But yes, those are both good additions to the list.
After Star Trek: Generations, does the House of Duras even exist anymore?
@@DavidStowers-o7k no. But then Dukat, Kai Winn and several others on the list have been long gone as well.
I thought the Duras were definitely gonna be on this list. They're as generationally awful as the Soongs. Moreso actually, we've never seen an honorable Duras.
Armus, from Skin of Evil, was the most truly irredeemable character ever.
I’d argue the people that created him and then dumped him in the middle of nowhere are irredeemable.
@joermnyc Well, technically he's part of them.
@@joermnyc - what were they supposed to do with him? Pure evil? They didn't inflict him on the galaxy, Troi's shuttle crashing there was pure happenstance.
@@williambell3304He was created as a sapient individual, and then abandoned forever to be alone.
I've gotta say, his creators are way more evil and irredeemable. Even terminating him immediately, or upon departure, or at least leaving him the means to be able to painlessly end his own existence, would have been much kinder.
@AndrooUK 1. Armus is likely not being entirely truthful about the situation. He lies to the crew in other ways. He is supposedly evil incarnate and does not espouse reliability as a narrator.
2. Perhaps the other beings hoped he could be redeemed in some way later.
3. Leaving one evil being lonely, while certainly not the nicest choice, doesn't stack up to what others in Trek have done.
The #1 irredeemable villains are the powers that be behind DS9 that wouldn’t negotiate with Terry and decided to kill off Jadzia!!!
Erza is a better Dax than Jadzia, for Erza at least keep her individually without being completely Dax. Jadzia was like whatever Dax want, I be it.
DAMN YOU, BERMAN!
@@bloodysimile4893 Yeah, but, that gave us the lesbian kiss.
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LOVE THIS! My favorite is that in real life she is a queen of Star Trek.
Kai had one redeeming factor. She was played by Louise Fletcher.
Indeed. She did such a good job being the Bajoran Pope we loved to hate.
After her role as Nurse Ratchet in "One Flew Over The Cookoo's Nest", she was type cast.
@@surferdude4487 actually she has over 180 tv and film credits. She was very versatile and professional. The industry loved and tried to get her as much as they could. Sjhe also was very big doing off and on Broadway production
Amen to that.
She had a pure talent for playing horrible irredeemable villains.
0:00 Intro
0:25 10: The Augments
2:11 9: Section 31
4:07 8: Dukat
5:38 7: Winn Adami
6:55 6: The Sphere-Builders
8:01 5: A Selection of Soongs
9:30 4: The Bluegills
10:34 3: Maxwell and Other Berks
11:44 2: The Orion Syndicate
13:32 1: The Borg Queen
14:58 Outro
The T'Lani would get my vote! They had the nerve to
1) Try to murder Julian and Miles
2) Lie to Sisko that they died by accident, even providing "proof"
3) Demand that Sisko just hands the pair over to them just for knowing the existence of the Harvester weapon
True but they did that out of sheer fear of the potential horror a horrific bioweapon could unleash. Again.
Dukat was evil, but he was a whole character. Some people mistake depth for redempton.
Similarly, Winn had a few moments where you could enpathise with her - happiness with who she thought was Anjohl, and when she thought that the prophets had finally spoken to her. Still a monster though, and played so well.
yeah depth is needed for a great character not for redemption Dukat was not redeemable but still complex which is why he was a great villain
For me, the character with the fewest redeeming qualities was Winn Adami. She was vain and proud yet had a fragile ego and had an enormous chip on her shoulder because the Prophets had never communicated with her. She was mean spirited and cruel. She lusted for power, and she proved that she would do anything to achieve it. I could understand why she was reticent to accept Sisko as the Emmisary, something she made quite clear. He wasn’t Bajoran and he wasn’t a man of faith in the Prophets or the Celestial Temple at the beginning. But the thing I really detested her for was the condescending and belittling way she spoke to Kira. It’s as though she knew that Nerys could see right through her ‘piety’ and false humility.
I loathed Winn Adami. Always plotting and misusing faith. Reminds me of Islamic clerics in Iran or medieval popes.
It is for all of these reasons that Winn will always be known as Space Karen.
There's only one fictional religious turd worse than kai winn in my opinion. And that's the cardinal from John Carpenter's Vampires, winn redeemed herself at the end, the cardinal on the other hand was willing to help valek complete the ritual that would make vampires immune to sunlight, just because he hadn't received any prophecies or witnessed any miracles and the notion that he might die of old age scared the crap out of him, It scares the crap out of me but I'd like to think that I wouldn't endanger the rest of the planet's population for my own benefit.
THE FEMALE CHANGELING, at #2. This is the more appropriate entry.
nothing quite gets the juices flowing quite like galaxy wide genocide🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"neither Kirk nor Starfleet stopped by for a Ceti Alpa high five". Wow. That deserves a like/thumbs up/whatever it is nowadays
I keep wondering, did they think that Ceti Alpha FIVE was the one that exploded? If so, then why bother checking?
"THIS IS CETI ALPHA FIVE!!"
Just rewatched TWOK on a whim last Thursday. What s great movie. Good joke, too.
Lore should be on this list. After all he's responsible for wiping out an entire colony.
Alixus from the DS9 Episode "Paradise" was one of the first who came to mind. Seriously one of the few characters in Trek who is outright stone cold evil and completely without any likeable qualities.
Her only redemming quality was that between them, the writers and actress really made me hate her. I've rarely disliked a character on TV that much.
@@jasonwalker9471Agreed. Very talented actress, definitely Joffrey levels of hate.
I'd say Vosk is worth mentioning, viewing any other species as only being there to serve his and destabilizing the timeline. Not too different from the Daleks in Doctor Who.
You know you are irredeemable if you feel the need to tell Nazis they are not evil enough.
STO expands on his and his people's background a lot, interestingly enough.
The Gorn get my vote. Also, Agnes Jurati is pretty irredeemable IMO.
The character herself, as opposed to the Borg Queen version? She killed Maddox, yeah, but she was under the influence of Ohm's mind meld. Otherwise, the worst thing she did that I can remember is karaoke.
Slarr or the one on cesuts III ?
UPN, for cancelling Star Trek: Enterprise after just four seasons.
I feel the Cardassian officer who tortured Picard should've gotten an honourable mention here 🤔
Gul Madred. He goes on to co-found a faction of Cardassians who want to go back to being vicious conquerers after the development of DS9.
There are four lights.
I definitely would have added the Female Changeling and Seska to this list
In a way, the Tal Shiar and the Obsidian order should have gone along with section 31.
It does kind of seem like the rest of the founders are mainly interested in just being linked as an ocean and being left alone, yeah, though they're still implicitly okay with the lengths she goes to to "protect" them. Of course, STO indicates she's actually kept some of the things she's done secret from the rest (which IS possible even linked, as it turns out).
Gul Dukat is by far one of my absolute favorite character villains in the world of sci-fi!
I gotta say I do enjoy Ellie videos, her accent just makes me happy
What about the Dominion ?
Right? The Blight alone should have got them to number 2. I guess they got a pretty sweet conditional surrender agreement at the end of the war
One has to differentiate between The Dominion as a whole and its individual elements. Similar to the fact that not all members of the Federation 100% back the ideals of the Federation so too are not all members of The Dominion a sworn force of evil.
I have to agree on one thing though - the Founders were quite brutal when it came to stopping potential threats as well as keeping those down they considered worthless.
Ellie, i NEED to hear you say, "There's coffee in that nebula!"
I would argue that there are some Augments who are good characters. Julian Bashir being one of them. Commander Una, being the second.
Bashir and Una are augmented, yes... but they're not Augments with a capital A. Neither one of them is a product of Project Chrysalis/Project Khan - both born numerous decades after any version of the experiments that created Khan Noonien Singh - and Una isn't even human, but Illyrian and an example of a species who is far more enlightened about the uses of genetic engineering and the required psychological attitudes to ensure no one repeats Khan & Company's behaviours.
Khan was an intersectional Augment suffering oppression. Kirk triggered him into self-harm with the Genesis Weapon, that BULLY. Chekov, please nod.
I believe that it is wrong to put the Enterprise Soong on this list. He did villainous thing, but his action all came from believing that the augment's evil was from how they were nurtured, not from their nature. His tragedy was not seeing how irredeemable his "children" were until a lot of people got hurt. In the end he even admits that he was wrong, and decides to go into cybernetics.
I think what was most tragic about dukat was that he was redeemable and he was on his way to redemption when his daughter was killed and he fell back into it and was lost. If not he may have been redeemed as a antihero. kai winn on the other hand betrayed everyone she ever met, even in the end she betrayed Dukat and told Sisko to destroy the book because she realized the side she chose was losing.
I don't know if being in charge of a brutal military occupation is something you get to be redeemed from. You are right in that his daughter did make Dukat somewhat less horrible... but that's not saying a whole lot.
His daughter got killed because he made the choice to join the Dominion so that he could have power again so he could force everyone to say he was better than them, she went against his plan for conquests which is what caused her murder. I don't get how they is "on his way to redemption"
The Prophets NEVER spoke to Winn. I can understand if that happens to a vedek but such a rejected person becoming Kai, that is blasphemous.
He was never going to be an antihero, he was someone who genuinely and unshakably believed that the people he oppressed should have profusely thanked him for oppressing them slightly less than his predecessors. He had an honest chip on his shoulder about the bajorans not building a statue of him in thanks.
10; 0:25 The Augments
9; 2:11 Section 31
8; 4:07 Dukat
7; 5:38 Winn Adami
6; 6:55 The Sphere-Builders
5; 8:00 A Selection of Soongs
4; 9:30 The Bluegills
3; 10:34 Maxwell and other Berks
2; 11:44 The Orion Syndicate
1; 13:33 The Borg Queen
The Dukat we got was a horrible monster, but the Dukat we *could* have gotten was a lost gem that never got its chance to shine.
Kivas Fajo was quite an arse.
One of my favorite episodes!
Fajo: I STOLE IT FIRST! Hey, Starfleet, when I do I get my stuff back?
I think the Prophets let Winn go to celestial voicemail because they knew who she was and what she would become. Imagine how self-righteous she would be if the Prophets actually spoke to her.
Dukat did have a slight charm but he was not a nice guy
Refined ruthlessness is not something you often see in a villain.
The Female Changeling has entered the chat
What I love about Dukat is that Marc Alaimo's portrayal of him was so charming and charismatic that they unintentionally built a fanbase around Dukat despite the fact he uses his charm and charisma in canon to hide his truly ruthless and despicable nature. Dukat was so good that even real people fell for his lies.
The episode this video references, Waltz, was written specifically because the writers had become alarmed at Dukat's growing fanbase and popularity, so they wrote an episode to show unequivocally that Dukat was evil and, yes, was the bad guy.
Well... yes. Marc Alaimo was very charming in the roll. However, it's best not to forget that while a lot of Star Trek fans are centrists or lean left, a lot of right wing people love space travel (and thus scifi) just as much as anyone else, so there are a lot of right wing fan as well. Including hard-right fans that most of us here would call fascists. There have been many debates over episodes like TNG's The Drumhead, for instance, with many taking very different lessons from the episode than most of us do.
So some people like Dukat specifically *because* he's a fascist, not in spite of that fact.
You get a down vote from me having Section 31 on the list but not the Founders..
You should play Star Trek Online. While not completely canon, there are some nasty and truly evil villains in that game.
How about Daud (STNG) ? He wiped entire Husnock species just with a thought !
Waitaminute. Weyoun. There are zero Weyouns on this list! What the heck!
At least one Weyoun defected and showed a something like a conscience. So not entirely irredeemable.
Top 10 Weyouns list....
Weyoun redeemed himself by becoming Commander Shran.
He was cloned so if one was bad all would be just as bad except for the one who defected. I assume the Founders considered him defective anyway.
@whofandb They did, but who knows? Since the Founders tailor every aspect of them, including their psychology, Good Weyoun could be a more natural state if their alterations fail.
In the extended universe, the Sphere builders came from the Delta Quadrant. They were one of many races lost to the Borg
An Ellie Trek Culture video? Hell yeah!!
I love the original Borg Queen always has these shimmering eyes contrast to the doll dead eyes of drones borgs, showing she is the only one alive in the collective.
How the hell is the Salome Jens Founder not on this list?
People in this comment section need to look up the word "irredeemable" because they keep suggesting characters that were redeemed.
Technically, the whole Eugenics War & Khan thing’s been changed in the timeline now (obviously partly due to real world events!). The newer shows have now shown that the Eugenics War hasn’t happened until much later in the 21st century and Khan himself is still only a child in 2023. I seem to recall this was actually addressed in a throwaway line in one of the shows that Federation records of that time are conflicting.
What was said was that the Temporal Cold War and all the attempts to edit the timeline, that the timeline is somehow fighting back, so instead of removing the Eugenics Wars from history, it keeps getting pushed back. Someone's attempts to cancel the Eugenics Wars just delayed the conflict.
Section 31 and that whole genocide thing.
Terrible thing about war is sometimes you can only save your people by committing genocide first.
AND the changelings DID want to either enslave or kill the entire galaxy based only on their hatred for solids. A hatred based on (if we actually believe her of course) the actions of a very few species. We also don't know of the details in that story, the changelings might have contributed to the original conflicts for all we know.
@@Growly. Exactly. History is written by the Victors and I suspect those species are no longer with the Gamma Quadrant in any meaningful way. Victory was literally life and they lost
dear old Often Wrong Soong
Such a clumsy rhyme, don't you think?
I expected you to mention the Dominion since one of its leaders is shown in the title image, and, of course, she genocided the Cardassians, including a plethora of innocent ones.
Husnock anyone? And what about that Douwd dude from TNG The Survivors...
Kevin Uxbridge I’d say is a grey area. There’s no redeeming what he did. Not just wiping out that species but the power vacuum it would’ve created, especially considering we’re left to assume all their tech still exists.
However, that self-imposed exile and his behavior at the end does leave the question of whether he would make things right if he could. I know it’s not a redemption but at least he regrets the action?
Yes, my first choice.
Did it ever explain why he wasn't able to think them back into existence the way he kept doing with his wife? To me he seems more powerful than even the Q. Pretty sure a Douwd could eradicate the entire Borg collective if it so wished instead of staying under the Borg's radar like the Q did.
We are not qualified to be his judges. We have no law to fit his crime.
@@Blue_rosetx it’s not but I feel it’s implied bringing them back isn’t so easy. Because it would be the same with his planet. Did he bring his wife back or was it an incredibly realistic fantasy.
I would argue while he is nearly omnipotent the Q would be superior. I mean, Q has changed history more than once and put it back. So perhaps Kevin just doesn’t have full control of his powers, it was that fit of rage and sorrow that wiped out The Husnock. So if to access his full power requires strong emotion that might be why. Or killing and resurrecting is just the line for some reason.
Then there’s the possibility that despite his sorrow and regret he doesn’t want to bring them back. Perhaps part of his self-imposed exile is also coming to terms with the fact he did it but also knows he will never undo it.
Gotta go with Annorax on this one. He erased entire species from history, billions of lives destroyed just to get his wife back. A true madman.
Sometimes people have to learn that charming isn't the same as justifiable.
Kahn and the augments sounds like a really lame 60's band.
Yeh... people being shocked by Dukat having fanboys. Wounder what they think about modern day internet?
I personally like Dukat, but as irredeemable villain. He is well written as he see his action as justified (of course he isn't).
Dukat definitely takes the full breadth of "Everybody is the hero of their own story" and runs with it.
@@3Rayfire Can you believe they never built a statue to thank him for being marginally less vicious than the previous prefects? :P
@@thomasjoychild4962 A travesty.
Shoutout to Leland Orsler's two villainous star turns, as the psychotic hologram in Voyager, and as Loomis in Enterprise's Carpenter Street.
Also, the Equinox's corrupted EMH in Voyager's Equinox, and the Director of that medical facility which kidnapped the EMH in "Critical Care."
For me, Seska from Voyager should somehow be included in this list.
Another honorable mention is the immortal and omnipotent alien in The Survivors.
Trying to figure out which Borg Queen was in Picard s3. The one (her remains) in First Contact should have gone back with Enterprise, even though they missed a few bits that landed in Antarctica. Ps3 was more likely rebuilt from the pieces which came through the trans-warp conduit in the Voyager finale.
There's only one thing ungood about Section 31 -- They had the longterm operation "I Fold." It was the mission to keep Worf loosing poker games every day of his life, with ridicule by Data and Geordi, after he won in "The Emissay."
Maybe Dukat wouldn't have been such a villain if the Bayoran's had built him the statue he deserved
It's like they were allergic to showing a bit of gratitude for being a bit less brutal than his predecessors... :P
The augments were human, so I find it VERY hard to dislike them.
If every human being was like them, the galaxy would be a VERY different place. Much more ordered and (eventually) peaceful. The dominion wouldn't have stood a chance and even the Borg might have had trouble assimilating Augments, the way they had trouble assimilating species 8472...
The undine's immunity is a specific result of their genetic density and cellular structure. Augments have enhanced/"perfected" versions of human genes but they're still human. Super drones though, possibly :P
Missed one:
Kevin Uxbridge : [of Rishon] I saw her broken body. I went insane. My hatred exploded. And in an instant of grief... I destroyed the Husnock.
Doctor Beverly Crusher : Why did you try to hide this from all of us? Was it out of guilt for not helping Rishon and the others when they were alive?
Kevin Uxbridge : No, no, no, no, no, you-you don't understand the scope of my crime. I didn't kill just one Husnock, or a hundred, or a thousand. I killed them all. All Husnock, everywhere. - Are 11,000 people worth... 50 billion? Is the love of a woman worth the destruction of an entire species?
Kevin did a terrible thing, but he acted in a fit of rage brought on by grief. He wasn't necessarily evil. After all, he _could_ have swatted the Enterprise like a bug.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is my personal favorite film. And the Dolby Vision transfer was really well done, especially when viewed on an OLED. The lightning flashes in the Mutara nebula battle were absolutely blinding in Dolby Vision HDR.
The interesting thing about section 31 is the fact that they still technically hold themselves back almost to the same degree as Starfleet. Starfleet is unquestionably the most technologically powerful of the alpha quadrant powers, most of the reason the Klingons or the Romulans have any advantage is cloaking tech which Starfleet has voluntarily agreed not to research. Combine this with the terrifying array of doomsday weapons either inadvertantly created by Starfleet whilst trying to make something else or they just found and archived, and the only reason Starfleet doesn't rule the alpha quadrant is they don't want to.
And through it all Section 31 by DS9 was a complete unknown entity, outwitting even the famously clandestine Romulans, Sloan seems actually genuine in saying they had to be tremendously careful who they recruited so they a) didn't expose the organisation but also b) didn't abuse their power.
Wouldn't be interesting if Captain Ransom is related to Commander Ransom from Lower Decks?
Dulkat wanted to be loved by the Bajors
He wanted glory for Cardassia, which slowly turned into hate of everyone who had an edge on them. The only thing that could've redeemed him was his daughter and she got killed, which was the final push into madness for him.
I think the Tal Shiar should be on the list.
As does the Obsidian Order. I guess Section 31 should have been "Secret Services"
I was not a fan of this idea that the Soong's are some sort of generational identical geniuses. It's such a lazy attempt to get Brent Spiner in Star Trek over and over again. I think they never should have killed Data off in Nemesis, that was the biggest mistake, then they could have just had Data back given he's an android. He can time travel after all, it's a sci-fi show. But no, instead we have to have this ridiculous idea of one man's children all being identical to him for hundreds of years and all being geniuses. It's just not realistic and takes me out of it.
The Borg Queen is so arrogant but the reality is that if she died they would just make another of her. She has no true uniqueness. Every Borg is expendable.
There's only one Borg Queen. She has multiple bodies. They don't replace her, since the Borg are an extension of her, not the other way around.
This list is bullshit without that black oil slick dude that killed Tasha.
and Dukat but not Madred.. WTF..
One of Discovery's glaring flaws is everywhere knew section 31
"Rebirth as a rock" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
the list seems quite missing some names.
The fake God in Star Trek 5. An irredeemable villain in an irredeemable movie.
What about Weyoun a A character so brilliantly written and portrayed you almost feel sorry for him as he is not top management, he is middle management. And such a sucker up to the boss, it is brilliant
That's the thing, Weyoun is ultimately a tool and doesn't have enough agency to be much of a villain in his own right rather than as an extension of the founders.
Section 31 aren't villains they are anti heroes. Despite their negative characteristics, They have noble intentions for the safeguard of starfleet and earth.
Your declaration that I, too, should boldly go where nobody has gone before has given me the final drive I've needed to go watch something on Quibi
Disagree on the Augments... I'm betting that when we get a realistic portrayal in the future, we are going to see that the Augments were harassed because they would not 'come down to' the abilities of the natural born humans and humanity created their own monsters.
I'm sure there were plenty like that. IIRC, The main ones people talk about in relation to the eugenics wars, however, were explicitly designed by species-improvement extremists to entirely replace baseline humans. They had the superiority complex and drive to conquer and dominate built in on a genetic level, to prevent them coexisting with baselines. Their designers' plan was explicitly violent conquest in the name of making humanity more "perfect".
Missing both Louise Fletcher and Annie Wersching. Their ability to portray such naked villainy in their roles was unmatched and memorable. May they rest in peace.
The voyager borg queen may have been at that time sevens assimilated mother but nothing was followed up on to confirm.
She states at one point that "she" (that drone body) comes from a species with a different designation.
@@williambell3304 can't argue with that.
🎵section thir-tee-one... we do what we must because we can🎵
lol i see what you did there ... brilliant
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GLaDOS FTW!
For the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead! -- Honestly, the song fits them pretty well.
In all honesty, I still think that the Augments can still be redeemable in future Star Trek shows.
Well, there's the one in Strange New Worlds, right?
wait? what is the name of episode about O'Brien and Ezri?
on the second thought, thank you for turning me to an episode i missed. it feels good to return after watching through entire Voyager.
Prodigal Daughter
N'gilum from "Where Silence Has Lease." Planning to ice half the crew just so he could observe the many ways humans can die.
Could some explain why the Borg queen in Picard looked different? And why in the final episode she had arms when it's been established that she was just a head with a robot body?
1) Because that Borg Queen was from an alternate timeline and they can presumably look however the hell they want to anyway?
2) Because that was Jurati's body, she still had some measure of control, and she wasn't so much into the body horror thing.
Any other questions?
0:40 & 03:20 - Anyone notice in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds it is a NEW Timeline. In the Episode where La'an and Kirk go back and save Khan as a Child the Romulan Girl mentions the Universe is changing and Khan now Comes into Power, some 40-50 Years later that the TOS Khan is said to in the 90's. Which means Section 31 would have changed too.
Dukat didn't kill Jadzia. He was possessed by a Pah Wraith, which killed her, just because she was in the way
He even says to her when she's KO'd that he was sorry that it has happened.
Yeah, but it's not like he tried to fight it either.
@@stream_gene It was a classy touch, sure, but I don't think that makes up for... y'know... murdering her.
I read somewhere that there was no point of having a joined species if you didn’t examine the symbiont moving onto another host. I also read that behind-the-scenes she wanted to work on less shows, and they refused. In retrospect I, personally, thought they had brought Jadzia as far as they could, and I felt that Ezri was a very cool addition to the show in its final season. If I would have known the behind-the-scenes stuff at the time, I would’ve been pretty annoyed by it. I also felt as a show DS nine was extremely brave in killing a main character. It added so much weight to the storyline that it would be weird if it hadn’t happened. Start truck has killed many minor characters, and, of course, enterprise kill trip on the very last episode that took place in a holiday deck, which could very easily be undone. The death of Jadzia was a big deal! In the books, I think that Ezri died, and Julian ended up staying with the male host. I think that would’ve been interesting. I know you couldn’t have done it back then, but it would’ve been a very cool storyline if Dax had moved onto a male host. The interaction with Worf would’ve been epic!
@@emk120Don't forget Tasha Yar. Not exactly the best Star Trek tradition. I think what was worse with Jadzia though that in the retrospective parts of "What we Leave Behind" there were no clips of her, that was cold.
Janeway? Messing with poor Harry for 7 years for the lulz
Based on her behavior throughout the show and then her older-self’s behavior in the finale I’d say both Captain Janeway and Admiral Janeway deserve to be on it. Admiral Janeway for changing the entire course of history on a galactic scale to such a degree that the future DTI didn’t pick it up and try to correct it, irredeemable?
@@RunfromDangerMan DTI not correcting it is just a choice they made so they could finish the series. It's a big cheat on their part.
@@Growly. oh of course it is. The classic over-used trope of things working until show runners need it to not work. I’ve always been able to separate lazy writing from an actors performance. Even if the writing was lazy so they could close the series, Kate Mulgrew did a fantastic job and is the 3rd best captain in my opinion.
But for the spirit of the video. What Admiral Janeway did was inexcusable. Captain Janeway not preventing it also was.
However in real life, you’re correct. The problem is the writers needed the DTI to not do their jobs so that the series can close.
@@Growly. and if it makes things better, the only reason I chose her is because I couldn’t think of any Admirals that fit the irredeemable category. A lot that were bad at their job and made poor decisions, but none that I would say are irredeemable. And I wanted to choose someone I didn’t expect others to choose. Which is why I put this comment after asking if Badmiral Cartwright was in it. After asking that I thought “nah, that choice is too obvious. There must be others.”
@@RunfromDangerMan I agree with you. When she talked to hazard she claimed she had never broken the prime directive, but she did it a lot and made many decisions (like allying with the borg) that i disagree with
Sisko committed planetary genocide while chasing the Maquis. Poisoned several planets.
And the maquis, though some of them went to far, had a right to defend their home. Homes that was given away by a (in that situation) heartless government, to an even worse one.
Eh, the Female Founder should be on this list. Murdered 800 million Cardassians in the season finale, and that's just at the end of the war.
What would have been of Dukat if no one killed his daughter?
Still resenting the Bajorans for not building a statue of him to thank him for being slightly less vicious and brutal than previous prefects.
If you follow the star trek online game, the bluegills were engineered by the iconians.
And the Dominion created both the Hur'Q and the Fek'ihri... They must have really hated the Klingons.
@@jamesh2321 Except that there ALSO seem to be literal extradimensional Fek'lhri as well, that torment the dishonoured dead.
I don't think Section 31 is irredeemable.
"Space is diseased in darkness, and silence".....couldn't say it any better than that 😊
In Picard we find the Federation IS THE VILLAIN. At the end of the war in the Delta Quadrant, captured changelings instead of being released, were imprisoned and sadistically experimented on by the Federation. They escaped and of course now truly hated the Federation. At the end of the season 3 of Picard, this is never revealed publicly and the changelings who had been experimented on were imprisoned again - no doubt for more experimentation and forced to be slaves for the Federation. Yeah, since they never had to publicly acknowledge their guilt or the experiments like killer tribbles at the Diestrum institute - they can just keep going with no oversight.
The changelings hated the Federation from the moment they learnt of their existence. A hate based only on the fact that they were solids.
@@Growly. - No, they made war because they felt the Federation was a threat to their Dominion. They ruled over an empire of solids after all. After the war, the Changelings made peace - BUT the Federation with Daestron Station broke the rules of the Federation and Star Fleet. They didn't release prisoners. They EXPERIEMENTED on them (can you say war crimes equal to the Nazi's?) They tortured and planned to enslave the resulting successful changeling experiments to be spies.. The main body of changelings in the Dominion had no idea of what was going on. Evil brings about evil, and what was done resulted in the mutated changelings making a deal with the dying Borg queen. NOW - one wonders will they tell their Federation citizens that the Federation brought this on themselves, not to mention let the Dominion know how they broke the treaties, kept Changeling prisoners, tortured them, experimented on them? Something tells me Federation citizens will be kept in the dark and the Federation will not own up to it's crimes.
@@Growly. and that was Section 31, that experimented on them. We KNOW section 31 aren't the federation.
I'd like make an honorable mention: Nicholas Locarno. In addition to causing the death of a Starfleet Cadet due to his actions and attempting a coverup, years later he still refused to take any responsibility for his actions, instead continuing to blame others. Plus, due to his ego he treated everyone around him as little more than tools for his use, with little concern for them. This culminated with him trying to murder a Starfleet Officer (she only lived because she was transported out just in time). His actions could have potentially led to a war and threatened death and destruction via the Genesis Device. Ultimately, he is irredeemable because he would never do what is needed to redeem himself.
The thing about the borg is, though it got twisted to make them more of a villian for the show in voyager, is that they're not 'technically' evil. From their perspective, they're doing the right thing. Assimilation isn't death, its adding the individual, their knowledge and culture to the whole of the borg. It's only evil from the perspective of individualist species, but honestly, considering that borg live a lot longer, and even technically their persona's don't 'die' when the body is killed but exist in the collective mind, its honestly shocking to me that there weren't cults that worshipped the borg on some planets or actively sought assimilation.
Definitely missing from this list is Kevin Uxbridge aka the Douwd that was able to simply think an entire species out of existence in a single moment of rage.
Rage brought on by grief. He could have swatted the Enterprise like a bug, but he didn't.
No Dr. Tolian Soran?
No. Dr Soran was a 'lost soul', like Anorax from voyager. He lost his family, his world. Then, by a twist of fate, he could get it back! Or just 'live in the moment', literally. Only to be ripped out of it by would-be saviors. By his reasoning, if he got back into the Nexus, back to his family before the Borg, all the beings he killed would've never died. Yes it's twisted, but not outright evil.
@mrandmrsduquette1904 his methods were pretty awful.
@@mrandmrsduquette1904 A more interesting Generations would have Picard visit Soran, restored to his whole self, in the Nexus and convince him to go stop himself.
@@scockeryYES! That's what I thought would happen.
@@mrandmrsduquette1904 the man who killed Jim Kirk is truly irredeemable. (Of course, the Borg resurrected Jim anyways...)
The Borg should have assimilated a few Augments. Super drones!
Emperor Georgiou should be on the list if not at the top. She didn't earn any of the "redemption" that she had on the show. She's basically Space Hitler x1000 but apparently that gets a pass because she *looks like* someone Burnham loved. 🙄
I think Emperor Georgiou was left out because her atrocities were in the mirror universe
Everyone in the Mirror Universe was horrible. Remember how the non humans acted in the Mirror Universe in DS9.
Too much of a girlboss.
@@filippofittipaldi8050 Miles was pretty much the same
Bro... every leader in the mirror universe is Space Hitler.
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Oh heck yes!
Dukat lost everything slowly, his position, his family, his daughter, his chance to put an end to the OO ect .He helped Sisko a couple of times also, with the Maquis, the infiltration of Klignon space, taking down Thomas Riker without starting a war, accepting that a Bajoran ship can arrive on Cardassia. That is why we give him some mercy. We saw him at his lowest. Kira let Garak date his daughter and then kicks him down when he had no more leverage as a Cardassian. The final drop??