They could have had more fun with it. I'm thinking of a helmet like cowl, like Batman, might have worked with his mouth completely exposed but wearing eye lenses so you can see his expression. It could have originally been a full face mask/shield but Norman could have been shown modifying it and ripping off the mouth guard or better yet Spidey smashing the mouth guard in their first conflict and little by little Norman's face is exposed as with each fight his helmet is chipped away until the big reveal at the very end of the movie.
As cool as it would have been, they made the right choice for the time. Also, the helmet made it easier for the Norman Osborne character to exist simultaneously with the goblin. Made the switching between the 2 less clunky. I hated the weird makeup look in the Andy Garfield movies BTW.
I don’t get why people hate the helmet design It looks good plus for me it helps differentiate him amongst the other green goblins nothing has to be 100% comic book accurate heck the Spider-Man suit used in the film isn’t even 100% comic book accurate none of the life action Spider-Man’s are 100% accurate to the comic and that’s what differentiates them and gives them their own unique take on the character. 2002 green goblin is very similar to that aspect it doesn’t have to be 100% to be good because of the character himself still feels like green goblin unlike amazing Spider-Man 2’s green goblin now that was just horrible.
I'm so glad they didn't use this other mask. I don't think it would have been more expressive, but less. Which perhaps Dafoe felt as well. The use of masks is a technique actors learn and has been part of their repertoire for thousands of years. It changes the way an actor moves, turns their head, uses their voice- all things Dafoe understands and used. With an essentially animatronic mask, which would have been fine I suppose, you could have used any actor since it's the puppeteers who then do all the acting. Certainly you might have been less likely to get an actor of such high calibre interested in playing the character, though, and that would mean we wouldn't have had him for No Way Home. But also, the use of masks is itself a theme in the story and draws on a huge background of history and meaning. Without it the Green Goblin in the film is just a creepy monster. Not that I have anything against creepy monsters in movies, but that's all they are. A quick thrill for the hero to vanquish. Fun but limited.
A lot of people complained about the Penguin in Batman Returns being so scary for children. They used an old mold for the first action figure. Sony, of course, didn't want to lose money with licensing deals or angry parents. 😊
They should have just put some green make up fx on willam dafoe made it a side effect of the formula Tbh green goblin is a difficult villain to pull off in live action
This one would have been better instead of that power rangers suit but with William dafoe's acting skills and facial features it wouldn't have taken much to really make him look like the Green goblin but they didn't & they blew the chance in Spider-Man no way home
I’ve always said I didn’t think it would’ve gone over, with mainstream & casual fans. It’d have been seen as “too cheesy” & “silly” in a “way too fake” kind of way. I mean, this was the early-2000s & comic book movies still hadn’t got overall, with widespread audiences. People nowadays forget that, or just don’t realize it…or, in other words, They weren’t even around for it, or at least not old enough to know what was going on in the world. 2:42 I just reached this part & seeing you mention this a bit. But, until this very movie & X-Men, outside of the Superman movies, they just weren’t accepted like they are now. Just a few reasons, all out together, is why it wouldn’t have worked.
Yeah I agree! It was a different time and we've had to slowly break the mainstream down to be more open. Hopefully it'll be something they look at in the future movies 🙏
@ I will agree, that NOW..? I think people would go for it, AND the technology is there, to make it work. It may have to be “shifted” or tweaked a tiny bit, & not be 100% comic accurate. But, like 95-98% true to the source material. I mean…we have had mainstream audiences accept things like STARRO & freaking MODOK (sort of, on the latter. Lol!)! Point is just that the last 25 years had thrown some pretty “Comic Funky” things, at audiences; & they’ve accepted it fully. It does seem movies have been getting closer & closer to full comic accurate. Marvel just figured it out, by dampening, darkening, & muting the bright-ass colors. That is the biggest problem, with it transferring to realism. Then, DC starts taking it back to comic vibrancy (literally), with The Suicide Squad. Lol! I guess I keep pointing to that second Suicide Sqaud, as an example of “comic accurate”. I mean, I’ve always thought Peacemaker looks cheesy & as ridiculous as all get-out. Lol! But, look at where they’re taken THAT character. I’ll put it this way, with modern makeup & CGI combination - if I can watch a 2.5-movie movie AND an 8-episode show of Colin Ferrell playing The PENGUIN…and the entire time keep forgetting it’s Colin himself bc of the ridiculously good makeup, costume, & effects..? Then, we know we’ve mace it to “that point”. That make sense? Lol!
@@longboxcomics I mean…. I’m about to turn 43, in just over a month. So, I have been here for the nature ride. I was already in COLLEGE, for the first Spider-Man & X-Men movies. So, my entire uprooting, the Chris Reeves Superman movies, the 4 Batman movies, & the terrible-looking Captain America & Spider-Man movies from the 70s & 80s were IT! Lol! The original The Flash show, from the early-90s, my Dad & I loved. We thought it helped move things along, as well. And let’s be real..:Batman is so popular today because even I was just onscreen ‘89 Batman REALLY changed the game. That is THE movie you could point to & say “THERE! THAT did it!!” It also showed that a comic movie could be dark & gritty, with SOME realism. Even the fact that in the eyes of Mainstream, ALL they knew was the 6d Adam West show. So, the ‘89 Batman was a HUGE step forward…just in changing people’s perception of Batman HIMSELF, let alone comics as a WHOLE! Lol! Man, I could talk about this for HOURS, on the progression of comic books adapted into film - both TV & movies.
Says a lot about Defoe as a actor in the last movie all he needed was some lighting with a green tint I would love to see the miles morales goblin in live action one day
They payed a serious actor to wear a helmet instead of a mask... maybe we'll get a comic acurate hobgoblin instead of ned. Pretty sure ned goblin would be heart wrenching. Freakin love the guy in the chair!
I don't think we will ever get a fully comic accurate suit in live action for any superheroes , studios think they are too good for them unfortunately 😢 i just wanna see a one to one exact copy of the ditko / romita era Spiderman suit!
hopefully the answer to the accuracy question of the green goblin will be revealed in the sequel of spider-man 3 game by insomniac games. stay tuned! true believers! excelsior!
I think it would have to lie somewhere in the middle. The mask kind of hides the actor’s performance. Maybe make the top animatronic but a little more armored. Keep his mouth so he can see him talking so it can connect to the audience. It’s an argument between cumbersome and functional. The mask looks awesome but actors usually want to be seen in their movies. It would be up to Defoe but if it was uncomfortable then you could find some middle ground somewhere.
In a live action movie, you have to justify aesthetic choices. Coz it’s the “real world” In Spider-ManTAS, they gave great justification for the Green Goblin - That Norman Osbourne was secretly funding a corporate terrorist called the Hobgoblin. After he was defeated, the gas that made Norman the Green Goblin turnt one of the Hobgoblin’s masks green, so he adopted the persona
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Since the movie was first released, I never liked the look of the Green Goblin in the movie, I had no idea we could have had something looking so epic
Shouldve just been his face with Prosthetics
He’s strong and crazy
Goblin rags and a thrown together “mask” would’ve worked better
I never liked the helmet, the more organic mask could have been amazing. Maybe someday...
Here's hoping! 🙏
imagine William Dafoe returns one more time with this version 😁
The organic mask and the suit would be perfect.
That looks SOOO much better than the goofy helmet we got.
Very surprised this is such a small channel. The quality is top notch
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They could have had more fun with it. I'm thinking of a helmet like cowl, like Batman, might have worked with his mouth completely exposed but wearing eye lenses so you can see his expression. It could have originally been a full face mask/shield but Norman could have been shown modifying it and ripping off the mouth guard or better yet Spidey smashing the mouth guard in their first conflict and little by little Norman's face is exposed as with each fight his helmet is chipped away until the big reveal at the very end of the movie.
Today, the accurate would be better. 23 years ago, it was the right choice. I would like to see it repurposed for a goblin in another movie.
@@weaselton agreed! They'd also have to get the casting of Norman Osborne correct 🙈
As cool as it would have been, they made the right choice for the time. Also, the helmet made it easier for the Norman Osborne character to exist simultaneously with the goblin. Made the switching between the 2 less clunky. I hated the weird makeup look in the Andy Garfield movies BTW.
Good content. Didn't even realise you were a smaller channel..
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@@longboxcomicsI subbed. Keep up with more great content brother 😜
I don’t get why people hate the helmet design It looks good plus for me it helps differentiate him amongst the other green goblins nothing has to be 100% comic book accurate heck the Spider-Man suit used in the film isn’t even 100% comic book accurate none of the life action Spider-Man’s are 100% accurate to the comic and that’s what differentiates them and gives them their own unique take on the character. 2002 green goblin is very similar to that aspect it doesn’t have to be 100% to be good because of the character himself still feels like green goblin unlike amazing Spider-Man 2’s green goblin now that was just horrible.
Was probably scrapped for being to creepy
Willem Dafoe played a phenomenal Norman/Goblin, but i always thought his all-green armor and aerodynamic bike helmet looked ridicuous.
As sad as the green goblin scenario, the lack of Wolverine masks in the movies(until recently) always struck me as insane
no comparison. wolverine's only worn a mask for half his publication history (because he doesn't really need one).
Willem, not William.
Comic accurate would have been better.
I prefer the comic book accurate one. I wonder if they were considering this mask when they wrote Aunt May's line about "those horrible yellow eyes"
@@daveassanowicz186 that's a great shout!
I'm so glad they didn't use this other mask. I don't think it would have been more expressive, but less. Which perhaps Dafoe felt as well. The use of masks is a technique actors learn and has been part of their repertoire for thousands of years. It changes the way an actor moves, turns their head, uses their voice- all things Dafoe understands and used. With an essentially animatronic mask, which would have been fine I suppose, you could have used any actor since it's the puppeteers who then do all the acting. Certainly you might have been less likely to get an actor of such high calibre interested in playing the character, though, and that would mean we wouldn't have had him for No Way Home.
But also, the use of masks is itself a theme in the story and draws on a huge background of history and meaning. Without it the Green Goblin in the film is just a creepy monster. Not that I have anything against creepy monsters in movies, but that's all they are. A quick thrill for the hero to vanquish. Fun but limited.
I thought this is like video with millions of views and then I looked in the comments. But don't worry, with this quality, you'll be there soon
Thank you. That really means a lot ❤
A lot of people complained about the Penguin in Batman Returns being so scary for children. They used an old mold for the first action figure. Sony, of course, didn't want to lose money with licensing deals or angry parents. 😊
They should have just put some green make up fx on willam dafoe made it a side effect of the formula Tbh green goblin is a difficult villain to pull off in live action
We've got older tom holland talking about the green goblin
I wish we could have gotten this along with Snake face Voldemort and the creatures from Ripley Scott’s I am Legend
They should of done it like the comics where it’s not so obvious he’s the goblin
This one would have been better instead of that power rangers suit but with William dafoe's acting skills and facial features it wouldn't have taken much to really make him look like the Green goblin but they didn't & they blew the chance in Spider-Man no way home
It looks like one of the studio heads
I’ve always said I didn’t think it would’ve gone over, with mainstream & casual fans. It’d have been seen as “too cheesy” & “silly” in a “way too fake” kind of way.
I mean, this was the early-2000s & comic book movies still hadn’t got overall, with widespread audiences. People nowadays forget that, or just don’t realize it…or, in other words, They weren’t even around for it, or at least not old enough to know what was going on in the world.
2:42 I just reached this part & seeing you mention this a bit.
But, until this very movie & X-Men, outside of the Superman movies, they just weren’t accepted like they are now.
Just a few reasons, all out together, is why it wouldn’t have worked.
Yeah I agree! It was a different time and we've had to slowly break the mainstream down to be more open. Hopefully it'll be something they look at in the future movies 🙏
@ I will agree, that NOW..? I think people would go for it, AND the technology is there, to make it work. It may have to be “shifted” or tweaked a tiny bit, & not be 100% comic accurate. But, like 95-98% true to the source material.
I mean…we have had mainstream audiences accept things like STARRO & freaking MODOK (sort of, on the latter. Lol!)! Point is just that the last 25 years had thrown some pretty “Comic Funky” things, at audiences; & they’ve accepted it fully. It does seem movies have been getting closer & closer to full comic accurate.
Marvel just figured it out, by dampening, darkening, & muting the bright-ass colors. That is the biggest problem, with it transferring to realism. Then, DC starts taking it back to comic vibrancy (literally), with The Suicide Squad. Lol! I guess I keep pointing to that second Suicide Sqaud, as an example of “comic accurate”. I mean, I’ve always thought Peacemaker looks cheesy & as ridiculous as all get-out. Lol! But, look at where they’re taken THAT character.
I’ll put it this way, with modern makeup & CGI combination - if I can watch a 2.5-movie movie AND an 8-episode show of Colin Ferrell playing The PENGUIN…and the entire time keep forgetting it’s Colin himself bc of the ridiculously good makeup, costume, & effects..? Then, we know we’ve mace it to “that point”. That make sense? Lol!
@@longboxcomics I mean…. I’m about to turn 43, in just over a month. So, I have been here for the nature ride. I was already in COLLEGE, for the first Spider-Man & X-Men movies. So, my entire uprooting, the Chris Reeves Superman movies, the 4 Batman movies, & the terrible-looking Captain America & Spider-Man movies from the 70s & 80s were IT! Lol! The original The Flash show, from the early-90s, my Dad & I loved. We thought it helped move things along, as well.
And let’s be real..:Batman is so popular today because even I was just onscreen ‘89 Batman REALLY changed the game. That is THE movie you could point to & say “THERE! THAT did it!!” It also showed that a comic movie could be dark & gritty, with SOME realism. Even the fact that in the eyes of Mainstream,
ALL they knew was the 6d Adam West show. So, the ‘89 Batman was a HUGE step forward…just in changing people’s perception of Batman HIMSELF, let alone comics as a WHOLE! Lol!
Man, I could talk about this for HOURS, on the progression of comic books adapted into film - both TV & movies.
Says a lot about Defoe as a actor in the last movie all he needed was some lighting with a green tint I would love to see the miles morales goblin in live action one day
They payed a serious actor to wear a helmet instead of a mask... maybe we'll get a comic acurate hobgoblin instead of ned. Pretty sure ned goblin would be heart wrenching. Freakin love the guy in the chair!
I don't think we will ever get a fully comic accurate suit in live action for any superheroes , studios think they are too good for them unfortunately 😢 i just wanna see a one to one exact copy of the ditko / romita era Spiderman suit!
hopefully the answer to the accuracy question of the green goblin will be revealed in the sequel of spider-man 3 game by insomniac games. stay tuned! true believers! excelsior!
I think it would have to lie somewhere in the middle. The mask kind of hides the actor’s performance. Maybe make the top animatronic but a little more armored. Keep his mouth so he can see him talking so it can connect to the audience. It’s an argument between cumbersome and functional. The mask looks awesome but actors usually want to be seen in their movies. It would be up to Defoe but if it was uncomfortable then you could find some middle ground somewhere.
Could’ve used a mix of latex and more makeup?
Theres no technically involved, u are right ab rhino. 💯, its a mutation, not a suit, youre not TECHNICALLY correct, youre just correct
Realisim in a comic book villain. Please. 🙄
Big fan of the comic Green Goblin, I hated the film version
He ended up looking like a cheap Power Rangers villain.
First off this is not one of the first comic book movies to go big and second off what works in the comics doesn't always work on screen !
@@watching..........6494 my memory is fuzzy. X-Men came first right?
@longboxcomics try Superman 1978 ,1980 Superman 2 ,1989 Batman ,1992 Batman returns and 1998 Blade . Could be others . Just going off top of my head !
The former is true, but the latter is the false logic that cowardly studio bosses justify.
I think we were not ready (then) for the comic accurate look.
I was totally ready.
They gave us power rangers goblin. What a terrible movie. The whole Raimi's trillogy.
Comic book accurate is often stupid in a movie. I wanted it when I was a kid.
In a live action movie, you have to justify aesthetic choices. Coz it’s the “real world”
In Spider-ManTAS, they gave great justification for the Green Goblin - That Norman Osbourne was secretly funding a corporate terrorist called the Hobgoblin. After he was defeated, the gas that made Norman the Green Goblin turnt one of the Hobgoblin’s masks green, so he adopted the persona
I heard the real reason they never used this version is because it looks fucking shite lol
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