Jesse Glover - Bruce was always a Wing Chun man!
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Bruce Lee's friend and first assistant instructor believed that Bruce never stopped being a Wing Chun man, adhering to Wing Chun's principles to the end and striving to emulate the legendary Gung Fu Masters and their incredible feats.
I definitely believe that Wing Chun was always very important to truly understand & make effective Jun Fan Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do Concepts. That’s why after training in Sifu Inosanto’s lineage Jun Fan Gung Fu and Paul Vunak’s Progressive Fighting Systems, I began seriously studying and training Wing Chun under Jiu Wan’s lineage. I truly believe studying Wing Chun has greatly improved my martial arts ability, I’ve noticed it particularly with BJJ and Wrestling and Muay Thai clinch.
In the book, Jesse also frequently mentions Bruce's time training with Sifu Fook Yeung. Quite the mysterious figure during Bruce's time in Seattle.
Wow I had forgotten that name. It's funny, but some of the most profound things I've learnt in the art have come from very quiet, modest practitioners who other people don't really notice.
Unsung heroes, I guess. I too, would like to know more about. Sifu Fook Yeung, please let me know if you discover any links to information. Thanks for the great comment 😀🙏
@@WingChunMindForce You can seek out Sifu Steve Smith near the Seattle, Washington area.
@@WingChunMindForceMaster Steve Smith is Grandmaster Fook Yueng's inheritor and Jesse Glover's Uke. There are several interviews here on RUclips where Master Smith explains a little about Fook Yueng and his relationship with Bruce and Jesse. You can also Google The Little Dojo and more will come up.
Great video Dave, glad you're feeling better.
Cheers Chris😀🤙🤙 I miss talking to you mate, we must get together soon eh. Hope lifes great for you guys there
Very Nice. I see it this way : the highest expression of wing chun are similar to karate. One motion, reflexive and unobstructed. Instant action without thought or conceptualizing what might happen. Good video sir
Wow, perfect summing up. The best Kenjutsu people say the same, Western Fencing also, Japanese Kyoudo ( one arrow one kill).
Thanks for the great comment !
Thank you so much for these thoughts. I’ve always held that same thought about Bruce Lee (and all martial arts practitioners that seek to hone combat skills that are functionally true)…which was a “factoid” culled from listening to my first Sifu (James DeMile, circa mid 70’s). I was a part of Sifu DeMile’s first school at the Nuuanu YMCA in Honolulu (I continued my WC journey via “traditional” training as well). I’ve enjoyed viewing your collection of “satori’s” and would love to communicate (off line) if you’re interested but not sure how to do that. “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.”
Hi Anthony, thanks so much for your really kind remarks and well very cool that you trained with James! are you on Facebook? My name is David Lovegrove so if you send me a friend request we should be able to talk via messenger or some other means
PS, I've always been a big fan of Japanese Jidaigeki and related manga and what you said at the end is my favourite line from lone Wolf and cub.😀 And I think Sonny Chiba says the same thing in the first Kill Bill movie?
Good to hear your instructor is from the Lawrence Lee system. My cousin was also a Lawrence Lee senior student in the 70's who also acted in a few of Lawrence Lee's demonstration videos.
Regarding Bruce, Jesse and Wing Chun, as Simon2k17 mentioned, these guys were from the first time period and those years was a lot of Wing Chun i believe. Ed Hart, James Demile, Jessy and etc, etc, Lynda Lee. If you watch James Demiles doco's you will find that he too, was very bias. And regarding his art 'Wing Chun Do', that is just Wing Chun with maybe a slight modification.
Yes there is a huge difference from the first period to the third period. Ted Wong's JKD and teaching was very different, the art was not Wing Chun in any way or form. Maybe there were some things that were kept but i believe boxing, fencing and kicking were the main difference.
Very cool that your cousin was a senior student of Lawrences, he was an awesome guy. I trained under a student of his from 76-78, Tony Aston in Brisbane. I am not sure how much of Lawrence's art was in Tony's but it seemed effective, really a typical kickboxing approach with TKD kicks, western boxing and some ju jitsu. MMA basically.
I agree totally re the first period idea. I think that Jesse was reflecting on his feeling that Bruce was coming back to his Wing Chun roots at the end. In our lineage here in Australia there are a numb f Chinese seniors who trained in HK in the 50's, 60's - 90's, some who knew Bruce, all in Master Yip's school and later Chu Shong Tin.
I have picked up that Bruce was hoping to heal the rift with Master Yip and get back to learning WC at a higher level, didnt work apparently, bit of loss of face due to the JKD better than WC vibe put out by the press in the States and HK.
Funny thing is, among a number of the guys I count as my Seniors here there is a consensus that the Wing Chun way of generating force could be used with any art, essentially Bruces JKD philosophy, though we believe that our principles of centreline and minimal movement/ directness are the best way to fight.
These force principles also are extremely good for adding extra power to groundwork and stand up grappling. I hope to make videos showing this when I can find a skilled ju jitsu guy around my very hick town. (Great place but very quiet). Cheers thanks for the great comment mate
According to Ted Wong, and even Wong Shun-leung, by the 70’’s what Bruce was doing didn’t look anything like Wing Chun.
Also, I think the last time Jesse saw Bruce must have been around 1965/1966/1967 which means he missed years of Bruce’s further development.
I was a big fan of Bruce since 1967, when I was a nine-year-old, fanatical watcher of the green hornet. When I discovered him again in 1975, I bought every book and magazine I ever saw that had anything to do with him and somewhere amongst all that I remember a statement by Bruce that the way he fought on screen and the way he would fight in an actual fight were very different. I always wondered what that meant back then. But after studying under two high-level Chinese Wing Chun Masters from Hong Kong I realised that there is an essence to Wing Chun that is not obvious, just looking at it. Essentially, it's the cultivation of the subconscious mind force. That's my whole trip on this channel, to make people aware of that. It's not an easy task because it sounds like baloney but it is definitely real and I'm sure that Bruce was well aware of it. When I look at his philosophical writings from this vantage point, I see it all through his writings. His two philosophical sessions in the movie enter the dragon. I think some up exactly what he was aiming for. What all high-level Wing Chun people are after. He says to the boy don't think feel. That is actually an extremely good translation of the name of the first form Siu Nim Tau.
In that segment that was cut out originally in the theatres, but replaced with the DVDs where his character is talking to the Shaolin priest. He states the famous yet, not well understood line 'I don't hit it, hits all by itself'. My Chinese masters, who were not Bruce Lee fanboys Told me exactly the same thing over and over.WSL knew all this stuff as did Yip Man, he taught it to my Sigung Chu Shong Tin, who made sure we all understood. The whole concept, however, goes very much against the normal human thinking and indeed our ego that just wants to be strong. To be strong is to lose this power to quite an extent.
Thanks for your cool comment!
@@WingChunMindForce Bruce’s development was rapid when he got to America and for some reason a lot of people don’t want to acknowledge his training with Fook Yeung from 1959-1965. I underhand it is not common knowledge. So by my estimate Bruce had around 7 to 8 years of wing chun training. Which is more than enough to learn the whole system especially for someone who would be shown something, then come back a week later and do it even better than the person who shown him.
However, I’m not sure Bruce by his later period really felt the need to persue further training in wing chun. I don’t know how much he actually learn but if he did study for as long as I mentioned that means he knew an awful lot of wing chun. More than enough for him it would seem.
I think Bruce did end up going his own way by the 70’s and I think because he kept so much to himself and didn’t really like to share it’s a bit of mystery as to what he really was doing behind closed doors.
One thing for certain is his training and the equipment that he used was completely unorthodox and even today the majors of people don’t train like him or put the time/ reps in.
Have you heard of John Little? If you haven’t you can find recent interviews with him on here. He’s done a few with the kung fu genius channel which are pretty informative and John also just released a new book about Bruce’s fight history.
Definitely worth checking out if you are interested
expensive book you have, it's also one of the best I've ever read on the man.
Cheers, when I bought the book in the early 90s in a martial art shop, I realised it was a bit of a rare one even then because it was sort of handmade. It's definitely one of my treasures.
Sir that book is worth $650
Wow is that US?
@@WingChunMindForce yes. Original copies are very rare. I haven't even been able to find a PDF or hard copy of Jesse Glovers non classical sticking hands book
Being in australia look up lori hart in perth she is ed hart's daughter. Jessie and ed were extremely tight friends.
Cool thanks for the tip!
Ok then why don’t any of these “real” Kung fu masters accept these challenges?
I was a Kung Fu tragic too. But David Carradine was my go to. Not sure why my dad took us to the drive in to see Enter the Dragon when it was released. It was an absolute fluke to become a student at the Adelaide school all those decades later. 😂Bruce only trained for a short time. Sigung just shrugged his shoulders about Bruce. He was a good fighter but only average at wing chun. Wong said Bruce was a good fighter. But so was Wong . They both liked to fight.
I loved Kwai Chang Caine as well. :-)
Him and Bruce really represent that ying and yang of Kung Fu, and I think we must cultivate both sides. Obviously, I'm relating what Jesse Glover thought, and certainly Bruce had a long way to go with the internal side yet I think he had more of it then a lot of people realise. I like to think that he might of been able to find the way into a deeper internal expression if he had of lived because he was only a very young guy.
@WingChunMindForce I agree. He was just a young guy. Wong was able to get his attention. He spent a little bit of time with CST but wasn’t what Bruce was looking for. Not sure if the Kung Fu series offered me anything apart from the fascination with Kung fu. Certainly CST was able to fuel this fascination 100% . He was the real deal in that regard. The Kung fu master. I’m certain in his youth as a teacher at IPs school he would have had his followers. But , what a remarkable master Ip Man must have been.
@@wingchun-simplekungfu7584 exactly mate! There are quite a few dumb ideas that get around in our circle and one of them is that master Yip didn't have any Nim Lik. I would say perhaps he didnt cultivate it to the level of CST, though who knows, I worked out that he practised for about 60+ years which is pretty much what CST did. A Chinese mate of mine told me that Sigung told him that when Master Yip touched your arms, you felt like there was 100 tons of brick hanging above your head. It wasn't that he was putting that weight on it was more a psychic feeling that his power was so unnaturally enormous.
I know I'm a dreamer, but I really wish our lineage could get together more often and talk honestly with respect man to man and work out what it is we can do and where we can go. There is way too much Sifu worship still going on where people are hiding behind their status and ignoring others to protect that status, it's just bull crap but then again I guess that's humans. It happens in every martial art and actually in any other art I've been involved with I've seen the same crap. Often it's about making money and people get too big time in the eyes of their students to be able to humble themselves and learn, or to be seen to be learning from anybody else, they've gotta be the big man.
That's why I always try to get to the conferences because it's the only place that there's any gathering where we can really test each other out and see what people are doing. I really appreciate you mate because you support what I'm trying to do and a lot of people who should support me ignore me . It pings me off to tell the truth.
There are so many monkeys out there talking bullshit about Wing Chun and putting it down and those of us who know the real thing have an obligation to tell the world about it I reckon. Anyway that's my rant for today ha ha
@@WingChunMindForce we’re each on our own quest. We have been fortunate to have been exposed to CST’s ability. Wong was certainly different. Ip Chun was quite ordinary. Didn’t matter who his father was. He wasn’t his dad . It’s about the exponent. We’re lucky for Tony Blencowe . He was put straight in HK in the 80’s and found his own way. Suzannah , Nima and I’m certain there would be many many more. CST was so humble , there’d be students who have kept going and may not care how good they are. As long as you never believe you’ve reached it , you’ll always continue to improve. May be slow but it still counts. It’s yours . Share it , keep it , get better at it. Doesn’t really matter. I’ll watch your palm strike later tonight. Have a good one 🙏👍🏻
What time period was that book? There are three periods to JKD. Jesse was part of the Seattle time period which is the first time period. He may be bias in a certain way as that time period was heavily Wing Chun. The final version of JKD, I would argue is Ted Wongs lineage, not Dan Inosantos lineage. Ted's lineage had no Wing Chun and relied heavily on boxing and fencing. The famous book the Tao of Jeet Kune Do had very little, if any, terminology relating to Wing Chin except maybe hand immobilization attack. In fact, off the top of my head, the fighting method books from Bruce Lee also had very little mention of Wing Chun. As for Jesse's Non Classical Kungfu, I would go as far as saying the final product is alot more different than any Yip Man Wing Chun. He really did a good job of fusing the chain punch with boxing.
The last time Jesse Glover saw Bruce was in '65, according to his own words. JKD approach came later.
Sorry I took so long to answer mate. Yes this book was from the 70s I bought it in the 80s. The best collection of Bruce Lee's writings is in the books edited by John Little. I have the whole collection and as a Wing Chun guy, my favourite is the volume titled Way of Gung Fu in which Bruce shared a real gold mine of knowledge he was taught by Master Yip Man. There is some really great stuff in there particularly about Chi Sau and about the mind of Wing Chun.
@@Zen-jc2ov it can’t be 65 when he last saw Bruce because Bruce told Jesse he was “fencing with his hands and feet” that is not wing chun. He must have seen him around 67 which is when he really started going into that direction.
@@axelstone3131 Hi. I've just double checked, as it's in the book "Jesse Glover: Disciple of the dragon..." Question: When was the last time you saw Bruce lee alive? Answer from Jesse: "It must have been 1965, or 1966. He came back for a birthday party at his mother-in-laws house. We spent the whole time in the basement just talking. He was telling me about his fight with Wong Jak Man, and his new ideas. Because of that fight he was doing a lot more road work. He also started to incorporate more kicking, and footwork into his method." But it's also written in this book: "They would continue to be social up until around 1965, when Jesse met with Bruce in Seattle during Brandon Lee’s birthday party."
@@Zen-jc2ov I think it’s more likely 66 was the last time they met up. Bruce told Jesse he was fencing with his hands and feet. Tommy Carruthers knew Jesse Glover for like 20 years.
🇦🇺😎👍Hey mate I never like Bruce Lee. I liked David Carradine from Kung Fu ( on tv )Too bad he turned out to be a fraud…nice chat😉👍
Man, Bruce Lee would have loved Yiquan. it really embody's his philosophy about being formless greatly.
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